Time Nick Message 23:48 eythian oh, also "thermos" which I assume was a brand name. 23:48 ibeardslee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) ? 23:48 jcamins I've never had it. 23:48 jcamins It's a type of tea. 23:47 eythian I also don't know what 'mate' is :) 23:47 jcamins I see. 23:47 jcamins Oh. 23:47 eythian oh. flask I guess. vacuum flask if you are being specific. 23:47 jcamins Kettle? 23:46 tcohen how do u call that recipient you'd use to maintain water hot? 23:45 eythian I don't know what that means. 23:44 tcohen it took me two vacuum bottles of mate to write that docs! 23:02 tcohen ack rangi 23:02 rangi remind me to sign your key at kohacon 23:02 jcamins gpg send-keys step? 23:01 tcohen i'm missing the gpg send-keys step, but i think is out from the scope of the document 23:00 tcohen (itsfar from perfect obviously) 23:00 tcohen i almost finished documenting the release maintenance process 22:59 rangi the wiki page looks good to me 22:59 tcohen i was asking just in case 22:59 rangi yeah 22:59 gmcharlt tcohen: I see no harm in writing it down 22:59 jcamins tcohen: does it include secret e-mail addresses and unlisted phone numbers? 22:59 rangi hmm? 22:58 tcohen writing the uploading and header.html fixing step 22:58 tcohen question: should I avoid disclosing information on the server layout? 22:58 tcohen heh 22:57 gmcharlt rangi++ 22:57 jcamins lol 22:57 wahanui https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1372102329503089_animate.gif 22:57 rangi bibframe mailing list? 22:57 rangi oh jcamins and gmcharlt you will appreciate this one 22:57 wahanui Since Mon May 13 00:02:56 2013, there have been 1465 modifications and 467 questions. I have been awake for 43 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, 13 seconds this session, and currently reference 29972 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 22:57 eythian wahanui: status 22:57 eythian I feel there needs to be a factoid there, but I don't know what. 22:56 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you... 22:56 eythian wahanui: breaking news 22:56 rangi heh, has that come out again? 22:56 gmcharlt and in further news, most cats like tuna 22:56 jcamins Gosh that is so... unsurprising. 22:55 jcamins This just in! Facebook recording excessive amounts of users' personal information! 22:08 tcohen hi eythian 22:06 cait hi eythian 22:06 eythian hi 22:06 cait documentation! :) 22:06 cait tcohen++ 22:03 cait hey tcohen :) 22:01 wahanui it has been said that statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that. 22:01 rangi gml: statistics 22:01 rangi when i get a chance ill take a look 22:01 tcohen was cait around? hi cait 22:01 gml cait tcohen: I'll take it in account, thx :) 22:01 wahanui i heard release maintenance was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance 22:01 tcohen release maintenance? 22:01 tcohen release maintainance? 22:00 tcohen rangi, could yo ucheck the structure i created for the release maintainance wiki? am i missing smth? 21:56 tcohen and session 21:55 wahanui hmmm... zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes. 21:55 tcohen zebraqueue 21:54 cait action_logs maybe, sessions maybe if you don't purge it using the cronjob 21:53 gml hello, plz anyone could answer: after some months of operation time, what are the tables in Koha whose data size increase more fastly? 21:47 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011) 21:47 gmcharlt @quote random 21:47 huginn gmcharlt: I suck 21:47 gmcharlt @qutoe random 21:29 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. 21:29 rangi no worries 21:26 tcohen rangi: thanks for signing es stuff 21:24 trea that movie is crazy 21:24 tcohen i took the tiem to watch Rango after wizzy's joke 21:24 tcohen heh 21:23 tcohen rangi 21:23 tcohen hi rango 21:16 bag welcome back rangi 21:13 rangi back 20:55 bag we will see :D 20:53 cait problem solved then? :) 20:51 bag cait I'm saying the sys pref is not in my database :P 20:50 cait have you checked the syspref? 20:50 cait but it doesn't sound right 20:49 cait i don't know 20:47 bag hmmm…. why would that be missing :) 20:47 bag Empty set (0.00 sec) 20:47 bag weird = select * from systempreferences where variable = 'SearchEngine'; 20:39 bag I will look in the logs again 20:38 cait in the logs? 20:38 cait are there any errors when you try searching? 20:37 bag I'm open for any ideas at all :) 20:37 bag alright I've tried everything I can think of… I can even search my indexes from yaz-client but I just can't get the staff-client or the opac to search my indexes 20:36 mtompset Than say that I hate a particular RDBMS. :) 20:35 mtompset I would rather say I love flat text files over an RDBMS. :P 20:35 mtompset True, and hate is a very consuming emotion. 20:35 pianohacker nah, hatred's the realm of people too young to have anything better to do 20:34 pianohacker heh 20:34 * druthb wonders if she has any irrational deep-seated hatreds, or has simply grown too old and tired to have the energy to hate anything. 20:34 mtompset Right, in which case you actually hate the people who crash into the Pintos. :P 20:33 pianohacker Well, yeah, but that's like saying I don't hate Ford Pintos except for the people that keep filling them with gas and letting other people crash into them 20:33 pianohacker XSLT, for example, is an awesome technology hampered by an incredibly clumsy syntax 20:32 mtompset Ah, but then you don't really hate XML, but rather the dumb bosses that only know of XML and think that is the solution to everything. :P 20:31 pianohacker but more seriously, I see it used in far too many applications where its syntax, conceptual model and programmatic access are not only bad fits but worse fits than many other alternatives 20:31 mtompset Why not be more fundamental and hate SGML? :P 20:31 mtompset I'll grant you that, but why XML? 20:29 pianohacker every technologist needs an irrational, deep-seated hatred 20:28 mtompset Why do you hate XML, pianohacker? 20:24 pianohacker yup, all's well and correct 20:24 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 20:24 druthb druthb? 20:24 wahanui I HATE XML 20:24 pianohacker pianohacker? 20:24 pianohacker pianohacker is <reply>I HATE XML 20:24 wahanui pianohacker: I forgot pianohacker 20:24 pianohacker forget pianohacker 20:24 pianohacker here, if we're going for defining characteristics 20:24 * druthb keeps waiting for some grammar-nazi who doesn't speak Southern English to modify that. 20:23 wahanui i heard pianohacker was a brilliant young whooper-snapper. 20:23 druthb wahanui: pianohacker? 20:23 pianohacker bahahahaha 20:23 druthb lulz. 20:23 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 20:23 druthb bag? 20:20 * rangi goes to take kids to school 19:52 cait rangi: cool :) 19:51 wahanui somebody said zebra was a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses 19:51 bag zebra? 19:50 wahanui i guess search is for the patrons not the librarians 19:50 bag search? 19:30 rangi handy for presentations 19:30 rangi http://york23thingsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/thing-17-creative-commons-images.html 19:25 rangi yep, but the point of coding guidelines is consistency, not perfection :) 19:24 mtompset I like, for example, wasting vertical space on my variable declarations so I can add, remove variables without affecting other lines. :) 19:23 rangi its there to be consistent not liked :) 19:23 mtompset Perl2: use Modern::Perl; is used instead of use strict; use warnings;? 19:23 rangi just as well you dont have to 19:22 mtompset Hmmm... Don't fully like perltidy. 19:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated 19:14 mtompset oh... it would seem my temporary sample patch fails the guidelines for bug 10454... I just called it UID. I didn't call it cardnumber_sequence_id. 19:12 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 19:12 mtompset coding guidelines? 19:12 mtompset guidelines? 19:02 mtompset Oh right. I should review those, since my patch for SAML I'm working on is bigger than my usual bug fixes. 19:01 pianohacker according to the coding guidelines, though, it's not something we're worrying about as of 3.12 19:00 pianohacker mtompset: yeah, for that module only 18:55 mtompset Hmmm... the $VERSION in BEGIN blocks in perl code... that sets the version of the code represented by the current file? 18:40 pianohacker http://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/ 18:40 pianohacker heh :) 18:39 mtompset happenstance for repeating events? ;) 18:39 jwagner gotta run, bye 18:38 pianohacker at_what_date_does_this_event_occur_singly_without_repetition_good_chap 18:38 jwagner Always fun.... 18:38 mtompset juncture? occasion? 18:38 pianohacker Good! Enjoying another summer working on Koha 18:37 jwagner hey there, how are things going? 18:37 druthb WhatDateDidItHappen? :P 18:37 pianohacker also, hey jwagner :) 18:37 pianohacker that's probably what I'll go with, yeah 18:36 jwagner pianohacker --EventDate? 18:34 pianohacker vague, I know, but that's the context 18:34 pianohacker Anyone know of a good synonym for `date`, as in, the date when a calendar event occurs? 18:32 pianohacker SQL has such a huge goddamned reserved word list that latin seems like a reasonable alternative... 18:32 pianohacker hrm. Time to find an alternative 18:31 pianohacker mtompset: I found that, and it seemed handy, but thank you. I wish there was a less-thirdhand source though 18:31 jcamins pianohacker: according to this page on MSDN, ODBC and SQL-92 have the same reserved keywords, and DATE is one of them: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(v=SQL.80).aspx 18:31 mtompset Hope that helps, pianohacker. :) 18:30 mtompset http://savage.net.au/SQL/sql-92.bnf.html 18:30 mtompset I think it may be. 18:26 pianohacker It's not an MS-SQL or MySQL keyword, but that's all I've confirmed 18:26 pianohacker Does anyone know of a reliable source for whether `date` is an SQL 92 keyword? 18:11 kf bye all 17:29 kf yeah that would be a big something :) 17:29 kf aah 17:29 oleonard Yes, the addition of services/itemrecorddisplay.pl 17:27 kf changed 17:27 kf maybe something else changes 17:27 kf oleonard: hm, yes, but we are using this with 3.6 and it didn't show the gaps there 17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields 17:23 oleonard I don't think that particular page ever worked correctly. The template modified for Bug 7116 was a different one. 17:22 kf oleonard: what was the problem? 17:20 kf oleonard++ 17:16 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, kf 17:16 kf oleonard: awesome! 17:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly 17:02 oleonard kf: Bug 10475 ready for signoff 16:40 * drojf heads home 16:39 pianohacker oh no here come da feds run away 16:38 drojf when i logged into mysql koha got so afraid that suddenly "Success: Import reversed" 16:37 pianohacker yay stalking! What else have you been up to? 16:36 slef pianohacker: I think it's https://friends.mayfirst.org/profile/mjray if you want to stalk me more 16:36 pianohacker that sounds amazing 16:36 slef well I say Spain, I mean Catalonia 16:35 slef pianohacker: hello. It's summer here, you know. I was out visiting Spain and riding bikes silly distances. 16:35 pianohacker it's been a while. hello 16:35 slef pianohacker: ? 16:35 pianohacker my goodness, slef. Hi there! 16:35 drojf slef: lol no i did not 16:35 jcamins Well, VM on a real server. 16:34 jcamins Real server, TYVM. 16:34 slef drojf: you snotted a vm onto the pi? Talented nose! 16:34 drojf raspberry pi server? :P 16:34 jcamins Now that I have a server, there's no need. 16:34 jcamins I used to do that when I was developing on a VM. 16:33 jcamins Yeah. Or do a DELETE on biblio that deletes all biblios that were added by the batch in question. 16:32 drojf if i want to do it in sql, do i simply truncate the biblio, biblioitems, items tables? 16:31 drojf but it feels like it was 16:30 drojf is not 16:30 drojf it i snot a vm on the pi ;) 16:30 * druthb hands jcamins the "Capt. Obvious" badge. 16:30 drojf lol 16:29 jcamins I'd just like to point out this is what happens if you run a VM on your Raspberry Pi. Things take a long time. :P 16:28 drojf but yes, i think that is an option if it won't suddenly stop within the next ~5 minutes 16:27 jcamins Ah. 16:26 drojf because there were other imports that i wanted to keep. and i did not think it would take hours 16:25 jcamins If there are only ~40k records in the database it would make more sense to reindex when you're done anyway. 16:25 jcamins Out of curiosity, why didn't you just delete all the records from the DB, if the VM is underpowered? 16:23 drojf and if its not done soon i have to do it all again since i have to leave 16:22 drojf wow that is ridiculous. it would be faster to setup a new dev VM than undoing the import of 40k records 16:08 kf I linked to a similar problem we had before 16:05 kf it used to work in 3.6.... but something must have changed and now shrinking the form to a usable size is not really working 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly 16:04 kf bug 10475 16:04 kf trying tor find the bug sec 16:03 oleonard Remind me what the problem is? 16:03 kf but could yo umaybe take a look at the display problem witht he item form in acq? 16:03 kf oleonard: i know it's a very dark place... 15:58 drojf happens all the time 15:57 rural kf: It's all good. We just weren't looking at the page where the change was applied. 15:57 kf is the koha logo still showing? or did it vanish? 15:57 rural Our problem was that we were expecting the logo to change on the same page that we were changing the OPAC settings. 15:57 kf does the logo show up when try to access the logo from that url in your browser? 15:56 kf what did you enter into opacsmallimage? a complete url? 15:56 kf I thnk the logo problem is solvable :) 15:56 rural In other news: We tried Evergreen before Koha. Fought with that for at least a week before someone recommended Koha here on IRC. 15:54 slef rural: dumb will probably like that... ;-) 15:53 rural Well... We feel dumb. 15:52 rural drojf: Obvious! 15:52 rural oleanard: It might be. 15:52 drojf rural: have you cleared the cache? 15:52 kf ok, just a note, will file a bug later :) 15:52 kf koha 3.12 has broken umlauts in the patron search 15:51 oleonard rural: Is your OPAC online where we can see it? 15:51 kf hm 15:51 rural We'll keep hammering on it. 15:51 rural The settings apply, but the logo doesn't change. 15:51 rural We've read a couple of blog entries on it. 15:50 rural At least we're in the right place then. 15:50 drojf i heard about this guy that does some kind of web stuff that has a blog about these things 15:50 oleonard rural: opacsmallimage is the setting to change if you want to swap out the Koha logo 15:48 rural But it doesn't go. 15:48 rural 'cause we've done that. 15:48 rural Is it correct that we have to change the settings for opacsmallimage and opacheader? 15:46 drojf slef: maybe we could replace the progress bar then. maybe with a choice of movies to watch while waiting ;) 15:46 rural But we're having a heck of a time changing the logos. 15:46 rural I actually took a stab at this a couple of years ago. It worked, but politics prevented the project from moving forward. 15:46 kf we are quite international, so always interesting to hear where someone actually is :) 15:46 kf welcome to the community :) 15:46 slef drojf: no. It would show 90% done for all of it. 15:46 rural We're from rural Alberta. A small Catholic school division. 15:45 slef (I'm guessing urban is the complement of rural...) 15:45 drojf i wonder if unstaging 40k records would be less annoying if the progress bar worked 15:45 slef rural: you mean you're sending urbans to everyone, or did you mean compliments? ;-) 15:45 kf rural: where are you from? :) 15:45 kf :) 15:45 drojf rural: nice :) 15:45 rural So we have spent a couple of work days setting up and familiarizing ourselves with Koha. It seems to fit our needs nicely. Our complements to everyone involved in the project. 15:41 gmcharlt ZOMG nothing whatsoever has changed in how we operate here! ;) 15:40 drojf OMG now everybody can become a developer /o\ 15:40 oleonard gmcharlt has spoiled our closely-kept git-bz secrets. 15:39 gmcharlt heh 15:36 drojf i'm not going to tell you :D 15:36 gmcharlt hopefully no gas masks are involved! 15:36 * gmcharlt shivers 15:35 * drojf wants his mummy 15:35 drojf so i had 12 rebuild_zebra processes running. lol 15:34 kf gmcharlt++ 15:33 pianohacker gmcharlt++ 15:33 * gmcharlt sends note to koha-devel 15:29 wahanui You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla. 15:29 oleonard git bz problem? 15:29 gmcharlt thanks 15:28 pianohacker exactly! When wahanui isn't staring in my window at night, breathing heavily, he agrees with me and is therefore good 15:28 wahanui i guess fishsoup branch is much nicer anyway. 15:28 pianohacker fishsoup branch 15:28 drojf gmcharlt: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6 15:27 gmcharlt pianohacker: known fix? 15:27 pianohacker bz upgrade 15:27 gmcharlt did somethign happen to break git bz? 15:26 drojf then i guess you have the answer to your question :P 15:25 mtompset Not since Galen's, no. :( 15:24 drojf mtompset: do you see a comment? 15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Duplicate card numbers may be generated 15:21 mtompset So, has anyone had time to look at bug 10454 and tell me how bad (or good) it is? :) 15:21 drojf has -z always been default for koha-rebuild-zebra? i can't get around it, i had to comment it out in the script. i think this vm is getting weirder every day 15:20 mtompset Greetings, drojf kf 15:19 mtompset oooo... filling hard drive during a reindex. sounds really bad. 15:19 drojf mtompset: kind of. also it just restarted indexing after that. i'm not sure that makes sense ;) 15:18 kf [off] unsensible scholle? 15:18 slef And while I'm asking, can we have openID login back on the wiki, someone (anyone) please? 15:18 mtompset (the full disk) 15:18 mtompset Isn't that a bad thing (tm), drojf? 15:18 drojf slef: i have no idea :) 15:17 drojf yay, i waited what felt like hours and now my disk was full 15:17 slef drojf: could do with an explanation why it's needed. 15:17 mtompset slef: Long time no chat. 15:17 slef hi mtompset 15:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 15:14 drojf someone remind me to use a small sample of biblios in my dev VM. reindexing 40k files in a virtual machine is no fun. 15:13 drojf i put something about the fishsoup branch on the wiki, is it correct like this (haven't used it yet)? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#As_of_June_2013.E2.80.A6 15:12 kf rangi++ :) 15:09 reiveune bye 14:16 gmcharlt rangi++ 14:16 liw in fact 14:16 liw rangi++ 14:16 magnuse hear hear! 14:15 gmcharlt :) 14:15 liw rangi's a very nice person anyway 14:15 oleonard And now he's neither rm nor god. 14:13 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #110: "chris: im rm, not god" (added by kf at 10:20 AM, December 08, 2010) 14:13 gmcharlt @quote random 14:07 jcamins [off] It's a slashdot meme... maybe? 14:07 magnuse s/maceh/machen/ 14:06 * magnuse wanderen auf, um mittagessen zu maceh 14:05 drojf [off] unempfindliche scholle? lol 14:04 jcamins [off] Just in case that translation wasn't accurate and was offensive. 14:04 jcamins [off] Ich habe nicht einen Urlaub, Sie unempfindlich Scholle! 14:03 drojf wrong window 14:03 drojf wie lang urlaubt es? 13:58 drojf i'm less surprised than i should be ;) 13:58 jcamins Odd. I don't see anything wrong with that record. 13:58 jcamins lol 13:57 magnuse ;-) 13:57 magnuse hm, that would explain a lot of things... 13:57 jcamins OMG! I've been living a lie! I am not a person, I'm a MARCXML parser! 13:57 magnuse the 84 is not there in the file i imported 13:57 magnuse wow, i think it's time i called it a day 13:56 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "imported record, take 3" (43 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86 13:56 drojf jcamins: and you were saying you are no marcxml parser? 13:54 jcamins (not paste 84, but the number 84 in the middle) 13:54 jcamins What's that 84? 13:53 magnuse jcamins: see paste #85 13:53 magnuse yeah, that must have been me mis-pasting 13:53 magnuse this is part of the file i imported: http://paste.koha-community.org/85 13:52 jcamins I see two leaders, two 001s, and the end of a second record at the bottom. 13:52 wahanui it has been said that maybe is a momentaneous error 13:52 jcamins Oh... maybe? 13:52 magnuse hm, did i double paste? 13:51 * jcamins would die, if he were a MARCXML parser. 13:51 jcamins I'm surprised the import didn't just die. 13:51 magnuse jcamins: nope, that is just the one record 13:51 magnuse i don't really care about the order (life is too short... :-) but the records where i have seen the order being out of um order seem to have some other problems too, so i wonder if they are related 13:51 jcamins Because that is completely invalid MARCXML. 13:50 jcamins Is that the entire file? 13:50 jcamins (i.e. numeric) 13:50 jcamins There is _also_ a bug where the MARCXML export from Koha has the fields reordered in the wrong order. 13:49 magnuse that paste v.s. this: http://hylte.demo.bibkat.se/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=768 13:49 jcamins Sounds like that's a different bug than the one that I meant to report but never did. 13:49 jcamins Oh, in that case, I don't know. 13:49 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "record before import" (86 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/84 13:49 jcamins Yes, that's why it's a problem. 13:48 magnuse but the marcxml import has the fields in the order i expect (rising numbers) 13:47 jcamins And it is not supposed to be numeric the way Koha insists on making it. 13:47 jcamins Yes. 13:47 drojf is the order supposed to be significant (from a marc standard point of view)? 13:46 magnuse ah 13:45 jcamins I seem to recall problems with that at some point. 13:45 jcamins I think the export reorders the fields. 13:44 magnuse but when i export marcxml they are in the order i expect 13:43 jcamins magnuse: it displays them in the order they are in the record. 13:42 magnuse MARC view in the OPAC seems to display fields in a weird order - anyone else seen that? (where weird = e.g. 000, 001, 081, 250, 100, 245, 886, 942) 13:41 aalex hehe 13:40 magnuse aalex: fingers cossed! 13:40 aalex I might hang out on this channel more often in the few years... we'll see. 13:39 aalex so, I am going for the interview. :) 13:39 nengard so never ever again :) hehe 13:39 nengard k 13:39 jcamins nengard: it is a manual process apparently, so it has to wait on when rangi has enough time. 13:39 aalex magnuse, ah! thank you!! 13:38 nengard I know there are new tables and more documentation now 13:38 nengard speaking of the schema ... it was last updated in Sept 2012 ... how do we get a new version pulled out there? 13:32 magnuse there is some stuff here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_Schema but apart from the links to http://schema.koha-community.org/ it is partial and outdated 13:31 drojf lol magnuse 13:30 oleonard Mmm... fish soup. Reminds me of Marseille. 13:29 magnuse someone tried to create something like that a while back i think, but ran out of space to draw in.. 13:29 magnuse aalex: no, i don't think so 13:28 aalex a UML database diagram 13:28 aalex magnuse, does it have a graphical representation of these tables? 13:26 magnuse mind you, the database is kind of crazy too, at times :-) http://schema.koha-community.org/ 13:25 aalex magnuse, yes, I think you are right. And just checking the screenshots gives me a rather good idea on the scale of the software. 13:25 drojf i guess our legal department agrees. with the opacsuppression thing, and maybe also with the cookie part 13:25 druthb lol 13:25 magnuse "it's just a database, with crazy rules" 13:24 drojf cookie \o/ 13:24 * druthb offers drojf a cookie. 13:24 jcamins drojf: yes, probably. 13:24 drojf basically koha is just Search.pm with some stuff around it :P 13:23 magnuse aalex: it's organized by "functional modules", not code modules 13:23 drojf jcamins: ok. i think that should be changed… 13:22 magnuse aalex: i'd say if you want to know what koha can do, the documentation is your best bet 13:22 jcamins drojf: I think so. 13:22 jcamins oleonard: the original author is fishsoup. 13:22 drojf opacsuppression still only suppresses the zebra part and i can directly access the biblio if i know the number, right? 13:22 druthb >.< 13:21 oleonard And it's called fishsoup because git + bugs = fish soup. 13:21 wahanui You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla. 13:21 jcamins git bz problem? 13:21 wahanui OK, jcamins. 13:21 jcamins wahanui: git bz problem is <reply> You will need to use the fishsoup branch from the git-bz repository on git.koha-community.org in order to make git bz work with the new version of Bugzilla. 13:20 drojf the git-bz on git.k-c.org has a branch called fishsoup 13:20 jcamins oleonard: you need to use the git-bz from the fishsoup branch on git.k-c.org. 13:20 jcamins aalex: Plain Old Documentation ( =perldoc) 13:20 drojf :) 13:20 drojf just add fishsoup to it 13:20 aalex jcamins, what is POD? (sorry) 13:20 drojf sure you can 13:20 oleonard So I can't eat this sandwich for lunch? 13:19 drojf more 13:19 drojf oleonard: something about eat ,ore fishsoup 13:19 oleonard Did anyone figure out what's up with git-bz attachments failing? 13:18 aalex oh that, but that doesn't count ;-) 13:18 jcamins The interface is all written in Template::Toolkit, and most of the actual pages will not have POD. 13:18 aalex yeah, Java is kind of too much to type. 13:18 drojf you will find html, css, javascript, sql… 13:18 jcamins oleonard: amen! 13:18 aalex oh, so what other languages, then? 13:18 drojf and no desktop application. it's webbased 13:18 oleonard Thank goodness. 13:17 jcamins Nope, no desktop application, and nothing in Java. 13:17 drojf aalex: there is no java 13:17 jcamins Unfortunately. 13:17 aalex drojf, what are the non-perl parts? desktop applications in Java, right? 13:17 jcamins The POD is probably not going to help you understand the gestalt of the system. 13:17 drojf but that's just the perl part. and not very diagramy 13:17 jcamins Ah. 13:17 aalex jcamins, oh, I just want to get a clear view of all it can do. I am getting ready for a job interview. :) 13:16 aalex Hmm, maybe this page gives me what I want: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/ 13:16 jcamins Perhaps there is something else already available that will help you accomplish it. 13:14 jcamins Out of curiosity, what is your end goal with this diagram? 13:13 aalex I usually use Dia for this kind of work. 13:13 aalex sure 13:13 jcamins If you produce a diagram like that, please put it on the wiki for others with similar needs. 13:13 jcamins You can check the wiki, but I've never seen aything like that. 13:12 aalex Maybe there is a wiki page that list all the components? 13:11 aalex (or Java) 13:11 aalex drojf, so it's more about packages - in a C++-way. 13:10 aalex drojf, but at this scale, one cannot see all the classes involved. 13:10 aalex drojf, well, some kind of a high-level UML class diagram. 13:10 aalex I am looking up the manual.pdf, but it is rather text-oriented. 13:10 drojf what do you mean by system components? 13:09 jcamins I don't think there really is one, though I would love to learn that I am wrong. 13:08 aalex Like a 1-pager PDF. 13:08 aalex Where can I find a general diagram that explains the overview of the system components within Koha? 13:08 wahanui kai ora, aalex 13:08 aalex Hello 12:21 nengard morning oleonard 12:21 oleonard Hi #koha 11:55 nengard okey dokey 11:50 magnuse named after the website that originally published git-bz, i think 11:50 magnuse it's a branch in the git-bz repo on git.k-c.org 11:49 magnuse nengard: lol 11:44 nengard i came in at a strange time ... fishsoup? :) 11:39 khall jcamins: fishsoup confirmed as working! 11:35 khall I'll try that one, thanks! 11:35 jcamins If you use the fishsoup branch in git.k-c.org, apparently it works. 11:35 jcamins khall: did you update git-bz? 11:31 khall The diff tool was disabled after the upgrade until I asked rangi to update the library it uses, then it came back 11:31 khall either that or the api needs enabled by updating a library 11:30 khall so it probably means git bz needs updated before it will work again 11:30 khall my guess is the method git bz used for attaching has changed between the previous version and the current version. 11:29 magnuse 'attachment.cgi' script) 11:29 magnuse the <em>create_attachment</em> action while processing the 11:29 magnuse It looks like you didn't come from the right page (you have no valid token for 11:29 magnuse heh, the title of the page is "suspicious action" - could this be the nsa interfering? ;-) 11:26 khall http://pastebin.com/FWxUJnGQ 11:25 khall one sec 11:24 magnuse khall: ah, not good! does the html look like it has something to do with authentication? 11:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10277 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add C4::Context->IsSuperLibrarian() 11:23 khall Failed to attach patch to bug 10277, status=200 11:23 khall magnuse: yes, I get a lot of html from bugzilla, then: 11:22 magnuse khall: do you get an error? 11:17 drojf khall: will do 11:16 khall yeah, please let us know if it works for you or not! 11:16 drojf khall: oh that does not sound good. i was hoping to do a signoff or two later, i guess i will find out if it works for me 11:14 gaetan_B or, the tool that generates the schema gets confused because the columns have the same name 11:14 khall and at least on other person has reported the same 11:14 khall drojf: I haven't been able to since rangi upgraded bugzilla over the weekend 11:14 gaetan_B this looks as if there's a confusion between basket group's ids and languages 11:13 gaetan_B http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/language_descriptions.html 11:13 magnuse gaetan_B: maybe acq is using the language codes? 11:13 drojf khall: we can't attach patches anymore? 11:12 gaetan_B isn't that really wrong ? 11:12 Viktor drojf That's what I wonder. In my view multiple barcodes should be no problem at all, but I don't look in the plumbing of Koha. 11:12 gaetan_B hmm what's with the id column in language_descriptions ? schema.koha-community.org says it's linked to acquisitions somehow ? 11:12 khall rangi: any idea if we'll get the ability to attach patches with git-bz back? 11:11 drojf won't most of koha implode if we had multiple barcodes? 11:11 Viktor magnuse LOL I appreciate it :) 11:10 Viktor Question is if we can make barcode a repeatable field in the future while just storing in some junk field of MARC for now :) What say ye? 11:10 magnuse Viktor: *i* didn't say it was you ;-) 11:10 magnuse hehe 11:09 Viktor But not unique to this library. What's happened is that books have largely been sold with barcodes on the inside of the back cover. The library/libraries have then added one on the back for easy access so I think it's something that future migrations here might experience too. 11:07 Viktor Hi! Just found out that our "more than one barcode" thing is odd :) 11:01 magnuse drojf: nope, MARC will never get better (at least not before it is dead and buried). but there are alternatives out there! 10:59 drojf rangi: http://listserv.loc.gov/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1306&L=bibframe&T=0&P=11233 ;) 10:58 drojf so marc could be even better? yay! :P 10:58 magnuse never mind bibframe, take a look at https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf instead 10:57 drojf oh, it's a new marc. LOL 10:55 wizzyrea and ... urgh 10:55 wizzyrea lol 10:55 rangi we are all doooomed 10:55 rangi that was exactly my reaction when i tried reading some of the messages 10:54 drojf looks like a fun place :D 10:53 wahanui https://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1372102329503089_animate.gif 10:53 rangi bibframe mailing list? 10:52 drojf how are things in kohaland? 10:52 drojf hi kf 10:52 kf hi drojf 10:50 drojf hi #koha 10:46 gaetan_B ok i will have a look, thanks :) 10:46 kf it's installed with the web installer, probably you need to add a frew lines there 10:46 kf language_descriptions or similar 10:45 kf gaetan_B: that's in a database table 10:45 gaetan_B right now the code we picked for the language shows up, instead of the name of the language 10:45 gaetan_B also, where do you define what will show up in the link at the bottom to choose the language ? 10:44 gaetan_B kf: there's some metadata at the beginning of the po file, how important is that ? 10:43 gaetan_B +s 10:43 gaetan_B alle klar now it seems 10:42 gaetan_B yes that's where the problem is coming from :) 10:42 gaetan_B ah 10:41 gaetan_B maybe that will work better than on my local instance 10:40 gaetan_B i think i will try installing them on their server now 10:40 gaetan_B so i guess the files are ok now actually 10:40 gaetan_B well sophie_m has tried on another instance and has no error 10:40 kf yaml 10:40 kf ö 10:40 kf that is using yam 10:40 kf gaetan_B: hm maybe the pref file 10:17 gaetan_B well i solved it by removing a lonely %, but i get an even more cryptic error now: "Syck parser (line 300, column -1): syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/YAML/Syck.pm line 126, <$fh> line 1." 10:13 gaetan_B can't copy and paste from vim 10:13 gaetan_B meh 10:13 gaetan_B the incriminated part seems to be this : 10:10 kf sometiems a tempate problem, or a string weirdly translated maybe 10:10 kf hm yes 10:06 gaetan_B anyone ever had an error like "Completely confused parametrizing -- msgid:" when running translate install ? 10:06 * magnuse goes looking for lunch 10:05 * magnuse keeps his fingers crossed 09:56 * kf kinda doubts that the timeline 09:49 * magnuse wonders how that is going 09:49 magnuse rangi: yup "We intend to have this coded and fully tested by the end of July 2013" 09:41 rangi masscat 09:41 wizzyrea this sounds like a library that was talked into some technology and now has to figure out how to make the investment worthwhile 09:41 magnuse wasn't there some library that was in a hurry to add ncip to koha? or am i confusing things? 09:41 wizzyrea dunno seems... silly 09:40 wizzyrea sheet, roll, however they are delivered. 09:40 wizzyrea This sheet of tags was added with numbers 1-10, they are in these books, here you go 09:40 rangi which is why ncip was created 09:39 wizzyrea then handing that off to the cataloguer 09:39 rangi and still call it sip2 09:39 rangi so you can do anything, or nothing 09:39 wizzyrea you'd be better off sequencing your RFID tags, adding multiple copies 09:39 rangi is it isnt a ratified standard 09:39 rangi the problem with SIP2 09:39 gaetan_B to me neither 09:39 gaetan_B exactly it doesn't 09:39 kf doesn't sound like a big win to me 09:39 kf and how would sip know which record to attach the item to? 09:38 gaetan_B me neither, also you would end up creating a lot of empty bibliographic records for data that you might already have 09:38 kf I think here they either convert (have already a barcode that is then written on the tag) or they work with the ILS 09:38 kf gaetan_B: hm have never heard of doing it that way 09:37 magnuse kf: DefaultClassificationSource - thanks! 09:37 wizzyrea that sounds like extra work 09:36 gaetan_B kf: in this case someone would be in charge of putting the tags on the books, they would then be created in the system, after that, the person in charge of the cataloguing would just look up the correct tag, find the item and edit its metadata in the software 09:35 rangi however it is part of standard ncip 09:35 gaetan_B ok thanks, we won't use it then 09:35 rangi gaetan_B: its an extension, not part of the standard spec 09:34 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 09:34 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 09:34 wizzyrea @quote get 123 09:34 wizzyrea I don't know of any koha library adding items that way 09:34 kf gaetan_B: koha has other ways you can add items, via the restful api I think 09:34 kf gaetan_B: it sounds a bit strange too actually - what's the use case? 09:34 kf gaetan_B: i think not supported 09:33 kf magnuse: look for classification in the system preferences - we just changed that in one of our installations like 5 min ago :) 09:33 wahanui system preference is probably ReservesMaxPickUpDelay 09:33 kf magnuse: system preference 09:32 gaetan_B i have no idea how koha would behave in this case or if this is supported at all actually 09:32 gaetan_B i just learnt you can create a new item through this protocol 09:32 gaetan_B anyone knowledgeable with SIP around here ? 09:26 magnuse the way it seems to work now, 942$2 = ddc will be added to all records i edit, unless i remember to go to the 9 tab and choose the empty option 09:25 magnuse i think it should display the first, empty option when the record has no info in 942 09:25 magnuse s/no 942 tag/no 942 tag in the records i'm looking at/ 09:24 magnuse (it's MARC, so it's weird by definition, i know...) 09:24 magnuse when i look at the marc view there is no 942 tag at all, but when i go to edit the record it shows "ddc" as selected for 942$2 09:23 wizzyrea define weird 09:23 magnuse hm, something weird with the 942$2 field in the cataloguing screen in marc21? 09:10 rangi 2 barcodes is pretty special 09:06 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 09:06 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 09:06 magnuse @quote get 123 09:06 magnuse wow, books with two barcodes 08:44 magnuse ah 08:42 kf magnuse: that's what I meant yesterday :) 08:42 magnuse lol 08:39 wahanui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4 08:39 rangi self check? 08:39 rangi magnuse: 08:09 magnuse anyway, i sent a couple questions to the wmu.se people on the list, hope they'll answer :-) 08:09 magnuse ah, thanks 08:08 jajm magnuse, no it doesn't. you can look at the API in Koha::REST::Dispatch (http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=blob;f=Koha/REST/Dispatch.pm;hb=HEAD) 08:05 magnuse jajm: does that mean koha-restful does not support availability at the moment? 08:05 magnuse jajm: i don't need it at the moment, i'm just curious :-) 08:02 jajm magnuse, if you really need to get availability in a restful way, feel free to add this feature to koha-restful ;) it's also on github https://github.com/clrh/koha-restful (but maybe not up-to-date) 07:54 magnuse and yes, there is the GetAvailability call in ILS-DI, nice 07:53 magnuse yup 07:53 rangi however people say restful a lot, when they just mean a web based api 07:53 rangi but its not really restful 07:53 rangi you could do it with the ils-di 07:52 rangi not truly restful no 07:52 magnuse but is there anything restful in koha today for querying item availability? 07:51 magnuse yup 07:51 rangi you'd have to ask them 07:51 rangi perhaps 07:49 magnuse so when the wmu.se people talk about "live availability and location lookups performed asynchronously through the koha-restful api", does that mean they use the rest code from biblibre? ( http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha-restful;a=summary ) 07:44 dcook Have a good evening/night/morning/afternoon, everyone :) 07:44 dcook I think I might just quit while I'm ahead 07:43 magnuse lol 07:43 dcook I... 07:43 dcook ... 07:43 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Coldwater, Michigan is 19.0°C (3:35 AM EDT on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 07:43 dcook @wunder david's office 07:43 wizzyrea :) 07:43 wizzyrea hi kf 07:42 wizzyrea it's chillyish 07:42 * wizzyrea nods 07:42 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 07:42 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 07:42 dcook Actually, at the moment, I think it's time for cheap food and bad movies 07:42 dcook Maybe I should reserve my complaining until my appendages start actually falling off 07:41 kf but my coworkers disagree 07:41 kf dcook: i think the weather is quite nice :) 07:41 kf hi wizzyrea 07:41 dcook Well...maybe not quite 07:41 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (9:40 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 07:41 kf @wunder Konstanz 07:41 dcook -30 at Christmas felt warmer than this 07:40 dcook I think it's actually warmer outside 07:40 dcook Or maybe I secretly work in a freezer... 07:40 wizzyrea toes made of ice at 14. You are funny. 07:40 dcook I swear huginn's lying. 07:40 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (5:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 07:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 07:40 * dcook thinks his toes migiht be made of ice 07:29 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B 07:29 gaetan_B hello 07:27 magnuse beautiful night here last night: sun, absolutely no wind, warm... until some fog drifted in around midnight. today is grey, though 07:26 kf blue sky here too and fresh air after the rain 07:22 christophe_c hello magnuse, yes not so hot in Marseille, but blue sky ..;-) 07:21 christophe_c bonjour kf ;-) 07:20 kf hi christophe_c :) 07:10 magnuse :-) 07:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 07:10 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 07:10 magnuse @wunder boo 07:10 magnuse bonjour! 07:09 christophe_c hello #koha 07:08 kf Hi again #koha 06:44 wahanui que tal, reiveune 06:44 reiveune hello 06:30 cait kia ora magnuse 06:15 magnuse eythian: still around? 06:14 magnuse kia ora #koha! 06:08 cait hm. she finally went to bed that is :) 06:07 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 06:07 cait druthb? 05:42 * druthb should probably go to bed, but having had a nap earlier, probably would not sleep much 05:36 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. :) 05:35 mtompset I really should get some sleep. :) 05:35 druthb Hi, mtompset! :) 05:35 cait hi mtompset 05:35 mtompset Greetings, cait eythian druthb. 05:22 cait hi eythian 05:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 05:20 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:20 wahanui hello cait are you here? 05:20 eythian hello cait 05:19 cait yeah it has cooled down quite a bit 05:19 cait 22 i think 05:18 dcook Weren't you having days that were 18 degrees at this same time? 05:18 cait is it? 05:18 dac That weather of yours is so bizarre 05:18 huginn dac: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 14.0°C (3:00 PM EST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 05:18 dac @wunder sydney, australia 05:18 cait heh thx 05:18 huginn dac: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on June 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 05:17 cait morning dac 05:17 dac @wunder konstanz 05:17 dac morning cait 05:15 cait good morning #koha 02:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:01 rangi :) 01:00 dcook I might be doing a Google search for Koha and filtering out the main Koha ILS sites...:p 00:59 dcook http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/koha 00:54 dcook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Koha-Community-Cafe/323847370751 00:50 dcook Seems like they have capitalization issues too 00:50 dcook http://www.cafekoha.com/