IRC log for #koha, 2013-06-20

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00:00 dcook \o
00:00 dcook good night.
00:00 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, dcook.
00:00 dcook good night.
00:00 wahanui Don't go, dcook. Stay a while. Stay forever.
00:00 Brooke see ya
00:00 dcook hehe
00:00 dcook Sorry. I was teasing wahanui. I'm around forever...
00:01 Brooke that's cruel and unusual bot punishment
00:02 dcook He started it?
00:02 Brooke tsc
00:02 Brooke go sit in the corner and think about what you did.
00:04 ibeardslee oarΣ
00:04 Brooke us use em for boas
00:04 Brooke boats even
00:13 rangi[…]Con2014_Proposals  <- woot
00:14 Brooke Indeed
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00:15 dcook Awesome!
00:15 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, dcook
00:15 dcook Brooke: He always gets me back...
00:15 dcook Or rather it...
00:15 * dcook is unsure of the gender of 'bots
00:15 dcook I think Argentina was the top of my list for the 2013 voting..
00:16 Brooke I think I voted for it third. Mebbe second. Can't remember what I order or if I voted for meself.
00:16 ibeardslee must start planning
00:17 dcook Brooke: Who were you?
00:17 Brooke DC
00:18 dcook I think that was fairly high on my list as well
00:18 * dcook has never been to DC
00:18 dcook Or Argentina :p
00:19 dcook Or actually any of the places on the list..
00:19 Brooke well, if you ever are in the neighbourhood, write me :)
00:19 dcook I'll keep that in mind :)
00:19 Brooke What?! You don't know that the whole point of KohaCon is to secretly see the world a bit at a time? ;)
00:19 dcook hehe
00:19 dcook Well, '13 will be my first
00:19 * Brooke is missing Africa and South America
00:19 dcook I still kick myself for missing '12
00:20 dcook Although I had already been to Edinburgh
00:20 dcook I would've loved to see it again though
00:20 Brooke 12 was too close to 11 for me to get there without begging on the streets.
00:20 dcook I'm missing...Africa, South America, Asia, and Antarctica :p
00:20 * Brooke saves busking for truly dire straits.
00:20 dcook At least you can busk
00:20 Brooke v poorly
00:21 dcook I suppose I've wondered a bit if '14 will be too close to '13...
00:21 ibeardslee going for the sympathy handouts?
00:21 dcook It sometimes works
00:21 Brooke why not, our minimum wage is half yours ;P
00:21 dcook I think I can...give cataloguing advice, tutor French, and type things up really quickly?
00:21 dcook Half?
00:21 Brooke roughly
00:21 * dcook thinks American minimum wage is less than half of Australia's
00:22 dcook Mind you, on the walk to work this morning, I realized that I pay more in rent for 1 week than I paid for...
00:22 dcook Well over 1 month of rent through my first few years of uni
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00:22 dcook And several weeks near the end of uni (with a very nice apartment in the downtown of a small city)
00:22 Brooke at one point I lived with like 7 blokes and rent was like $150
00:23 dcook For...?
00:23 dcook The month?
00:23 wahanui the month is more than enough time.
00:23 Brooke two floors in the ghetto near a meat packing plant
00:23 Brooke but it was really nice inside
00:23 dcook hehe
00:23 Brooke yes per month
00:23 dcook My first apartment with...5 other guys was 263 a month
00:23 dcook It was...habitable and near the uni.
00:23 Brooke that was the year I had to argue that I was native with the census taker, as well as that yes virginia, there really were like 8 computers. Come and count them.
00:24 dcook lol
00:24 dcook While I value census data, I hate filling out census surveys..
00:24 Brooke last time's census taker was FAR more respectful.
00:24 dcook Glad to hear it
00:24 Brooke I fill them out and I always seem to get the house visit anyway
00:24 Brooke perhaps I take too damn long to return em
00:25 dcook Hmm, maybe?
00:25 wahanui i think maybe is a momentaneous error
00:26 dcook Wahanui...
00:26 wahanui i am a little bit creepy.
00:26 dcook Yep
00:26 Brooke ha!
00:26 * Brooke gives dcook a cookie.
00:26 dcook hehe
00:26 dcook Mmm cookies...
00:26 dcook Last time, I think I might've gotten some house visits
00:26 dcook But I didn't actually experience them
00:26 dcook The landlord just yelled at me and told me to fill out my census papers
00:27 * Brooke nods.
00:27 dcook That's when I had a place for 350 a month in Vancouver
00:27 Brooke sweet as
00:27 dcook Actually, I split that with my partner of the time so it was 175 a month..
00:27 dcook In a very upscale part of Vancouver
00:27 jcamins I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking.
00:27 Brooke :D
00:27 dcook Socialization and drinking!
00:27 jcamins The fact that you're interesting places just makes the liquor more fun.
00:27 jcamins :P
00:27 Brooke how is that not a quote?
00:27 jcamins *in interesting
00:28 dcook Good question.
00:28 * dcook tries to remember...
00:28 dcook @quote <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking.
00:28 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
00:28 dcook Oh well
00:29 Brooke is it add quote mebbe
00:29 jcamins You missed the "add" after @quote.
00:29 dcook Wait..
00:29 dcook @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking.
00:29 huginn dcook: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
00:29 dcook Right, that's why it doesn't work
00:29 rangi @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking.
00:29 rangi @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking.
00:29 huginn rangi: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
00:29 dcook :o
00:29 Brooke not trustworthy! Tsc.
00:30 rangi @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking.
00:30 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.  Quote #261 added.
00:30 dcook Socializing and drinking!
00:30 dcook Emmm...yes
00:30 Brooke Peter Dunne?
00:30 dcook So the 350 a month place...demolished shortly after I moved to Australia
00:30 dcook I'm sure the owner got several million dollars for the lot alone
00:30 jcamins dcook: I guess that was a bit redundant, eh?
00:31 dcook jcamins: Hmmm?
00:31 jcamins dcook: "socialization" and "drinking."
00:32 Brooke redundancy is correlated to alcohol intake ;)
00:32 dcook I'm sure there's a Bender quote that applies to the situation
00:33 Brooke Bite
00:33 Brooke My
00:33 Brooke Shiny
00:33 Brooke Metal
00:34 dcook hehe
00:45 * dcook dislikes typos
00:45 dcook Little typos are usually easy to understand
00:45 dcook But when you use the same word over and over again in a sentence when you were supposed to use many different words...
00:45 jcamins Ензщы дшлу ершы,
00:46 jcamins Heh. Enzshchy dshlu ershy.
00:46 dcook jcamins: I guess so, jcamins :p
00:46 dcook Whoa...
00:46 jcamins That's what happens if you switch to Cyrillic and type "Typos like this?"
00:46 dcook There I go doubling up words
00:46 dcook Google said it was "Typos like this" :o
00:46 Brooke teh Google is always right, nevar wrong
00:46 dcook Google thinks "Enzshchy dshlu ershy" is "English short essay"
00:47 dcook nevar!
00:47 jcamins lol
00:47 dcook Well, except there I guess
00:47 dcook Unless I DID mean English short essay
00:47 dcook In which case, it would've been right..
00:47 dcook Hmm
00:47 jcamins In which case that's a pretty egregious series of typos.
00:47 dcook Beer goggles?
00:47 * dcook checks the time. Only 10:47am.
00:48 dcook Aha!
00:48 dcook Apparently I have already filed the bug for the current issue. I just forget to go back and work on it...oy..
00:56 dcook Interesting...
00:56 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:56 jcamins Usually bad, I think.
00:56 dcook I'm not sure in this case
00:57 dcook I thought that Statistic 1 and Statistic 2 weren't working in Acquisitions
00:57 dcook But apparently you can link those fields with an authorized value list via a Fund
00:57 jcamins Depends what you mean by "working"?
00:57 dcook Although for some reason you can't point to ASort1 or Asort2...
00:57 dcook Well, I thought they were just blank input fields
00:57 dcook Mind you...they do seem a bit broken still..
00:57 jcamins Ah. I'm pretty sure they are, unless you link them to an authorized value.
00:58 jcamins They don't do anything either way, to my knowledge.
00:58 dcook If you link them to an authorized value, they seem to sort of work
00:58 dcook As in...
00:58 dcook If you're creating a basket, you'll get drop-downs for the authorized values that you defined in the first fund available
00:58 dcook Then, if you change can get different values for those Statistic fields
00:58 jcamins Right.
00:59 dcook kind of cool I guess
00:59 jcamins But what does not working look like?
00:59 dcook Mmm, they should probably be free text by default (that is before you choose a fund)
00:59 dcook Plus, you can't connect them to certain authorized values, which makes me wonder..
01:00 dcook Mmm, apparently they don't have free text input
01:00 dcook They just have optionless select menus...also not good
01:01 jcamins Oh, I thought they used to default to free text if you hadn't selected an authorized value category.
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01:01 dcook I think they do
01:01 dcook If...
01:01 dcook You have no funds with authorized values set up?
01:01 * dcook checks this
01:01 wahanui checks this is still #koha, right not #thunderdome ?
01:01 jcamins Hehe.
01:01 jcamins Yay! Just about to get into the station.
01:01 jcamins So long.
01:01 dcook Station?
01:07 dcook Ahh...I'm an idiot
01:07 dcook Well, perhaps not, if I realize my mistake...
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01:50 sunspot is this the channel for the koha library system?
01:50 rangi yes
01:51 sunspot cool! thanks rangi
01:52 sunspot I'm alex from I'm hoping to get some guidence on how to get intgration hooked up for libraries that want to publish on our status dashboard
01:52 eythian oh cool
01:53 eythian pretty much anything you like can be exposed one way or another
01:54 wizzyrea what kind of things did you have in mind
01:55 sunspot 30suns lets organizations publish incident reports to a service health dashboard
01:55 sunspot e.g,
01:56 sunspot so I would image the library system would be one (or more?) of those services
01:57 sunspot we have an embedded version of the dashboard, e.g.,
01:57 sunspot minimalist for putting inside an iframe
01:58 sunspot so first point of integration would be to have a page like kohaserver/status/ that makes it easy for users to embed their dashboard
01:58 sunspot does that make sense?
01:59 sunspot if you have a settings page in koha that stores settings, you could let the user put their username there and it would automatically generate the status page
01:59 sunspot we want it to be super easy for end users
02:00 eythian _a_ settings page? we must have hundreds :)
02:00 sunspot eythian: :)
02:00 sunspot 'flexible' :)
02:01 eythian yeah, and a billion slightly different requirements to account for
02:01 sunspot anyway, so we're handing out free accounts to developers of various open source projects like wordpress and the like
02:01 sunspot who offer to write plugins or integration points
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02:02 sunspot like maybe the koha project could have for all the project's services?
02:02 eythian that'd have to be up to the folks who run those services I guess.
02:03 eythian not sure if any/many of them would be online at this time of day
02:03 sunspot eythian: gotcha, so maybe I'll try again tomorrow :)
02:04 eythian well, some are in Europe, some are in the US.
02:04 eythian So it might require a few goes :)
02:05 sunspot oh dear :)
02:05 eythian this said, integrating monitoring with Koha probably wouldn't require anything custom
02:05 sunspot well if anyone's interested and reads this, shoot me an email at
02:06 eythian I have a couple of nagios plugins that look into the various parts of a koha system
02:06 sunspot eythian: it's not really monitoring per se, just reporting
02:06 eythian ah right
02:06 sunspot but monitoring is on the roadmap :)
02:07 sunspot seems like libraries are our natural allies, we have imagined that they must like to keep track of things :)
02:07 wizzyrea you have no idea.
02:07 eythian Oh, they do.
02:07 eythian they are mad for reports
02:08 wizzyrea MAD.
02:08 sunspot hehe
02:09 dcook I would protest if it weren't true.
02:18 sunspot Okay guys, well thanks for the chat, if anyone's interested in a free 30suns account shoot me an email at and I'll hook you up
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02:23 ibeardslee that wasn't so much of a chat as an advertising speel
02:24 eythian such a cynic
02:24 ibeardslee yep
02:25 dcook Cynicism ftw
02:25 eythian it'll never catch on
02:26 dcook ;)
02:32 bgkriegel dcook?
02:32 wahanui it has been said that dcook is currently out of line.
02:33 dcook Hmm, if wahanui says it, it must be true
02:33 dcook What's up, bgkriegel?
02:33 bgkriegel Hi, could you take a look at bug 10488?
02:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10488 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New MARC21 authority tags and subfields should be propagated to non-default frameworks
02:39 dcook bgkriegel: Nice work :). I like the idea of using the default framework as a base and then copying over only the relevant tags (or not copying over irrelevant ones)
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02:40 bgkriegel easier to maintain :)
02:40 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:40 dcook Much easier :)
02:40 dcook hey ya mtompset
02:40 dcook I'm going to take a look at the pdf now..
02:40 mtompset Greetings, dcook bgkriegel.
02:40 bgkriegel hi mtompset
02:41 bgkriegel ok, thanks
02:41 mtompset I'm about to use git-bz for the first time in quite a while. Let's see what utter destruction I create. :)
02:41 dcook mtompset: Eeep!
02:41 dcook bgkriegel: What do the white squares represent?
02:41 mtompset Thankfully, it's on my bug 10454
02:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, NEW , Lack of critical section could generate duplicate card numbers
02:42 mtompset So worse comes to worse... no biggie. :)
02:42 bgkriegel all are tgs not present on current authtypes
02:42 dcook Mmm, right
02:43 dcook So you want to eventually have a list where you just have orange and green?
02:43 dcook Wait, sorry,
02:43 dcook Orange, green, and white
02:43 dcook We need to decide whether blue should be white (not included) or orange (included)
02:44 bgkriegel yep
02:44 dcook Very cool
02:44 dcook Alas, I'm not sure if I can be much help :/
02:44 bgkriegel but there are new tags, from last update
02:44 dcook I had a librarian recently asking for some help updating her authority frameworks, but I wasn't sure which new fields should go where
02:45 dcook I suppose some like gender/address would only be relevant for people
02:45 bgkriegel in the patch I put all in, except for obsolete ones
02:45 dcook O_o
02:46 dcook In 9826 or 10488?
02:46 mtompset When you fix a piece of code by completely re-writing a function, and then you find a tiny bug related to an algorithm in another function and you fix that, but it isn't related to what you initially said "duplicate card numbers"... how would you phrase your fix title so it doesn't look like scope creep?
02:46 bgkriegel 10488
02:46 dcook So the default (9826) has everything?
02:46 cjh mtompset: split it off into a different bug :p
02:47 dcook Obsolete, new, plus those we already had?
02:47 bgkriegel nope, thay's has all up to september 2012, this has new tags from april 2013
02:47 mtompset fine. fine. i suppose I could do that too. I just don't like creating more bugs.
02:47 cjh mtompset: you arent, you are fixing them :p
02:48 mtompset The secondary bug is a lack of -1 on a loop variable.
02:48 eythian that a loop variable needs a -1 suggests another problem may exist.
02:49 dcook bgkriegel: Ok, so 10488 adds Update No. 16 to the default framework, then seeks to create the other frameworks based on that one
02:49 mtompset Yes, a whole bunch of cardnumbers for katipo format may have incorrect checksum digits.
02:49 bgkriegel yes, that's the idea
02:50 dcook That's great :)
02:50 dcook And now you're looking for input on which new tags should be included in which framework?
02:50 bgkriegel yes
02:50 bgkriegel or excluded
02:50 dcook Mm, right
02:51 dcook bgkriegel++
02:53 mtompset How do you un-"git add"?
02:53 dcook git checkout --, I believe
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02:55 dcook bgkriegel: I imagine it might be best to consult librarians who catalogue authorities
02:55 dcook Alas, I haven't catalogued myself since late 2011
02:55 dcook jcamins might also have insight, as I know he follows cataloguing listservs
02:55 * dcook should probably start doing that as well
02:56 dcook I could probably give you a rough idea, but I don't have too much time to focus on it at the moment.
02:56 bigbrovar_ Bonjour
02:56 dcook That said...I'll give this URL to the librarian I mentioned before
02:56 bgkriegel Ok, thanks
02:56 dcook She really wants to include RDA fields into her authority cataloguing, so I'll see what she comes up with :)
02:56 bgkriegel mtompset: git reset HEAD <file>
02:56 mtompset but how do I know what heads are available?
02:57 eythian there is only ever one HEAD
02:57 dcook Yeah, your HEAD will be the last commit
02:58 dcook bgkriegel: Wouldn't reset also undo the changes to the working directory, or do you need a --hard flag for that?
02:58 mtompset I am so putting a git diff somewhere, so I can redo everything, if something goes bad.
02:58 dcook mtompset: git stash save
02:58 dcook If you're really worried
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02:58 bgkriegel yep, you need --hard
02:58 dcook Neat. Good trick to know.
02:59 eythian definitely git reset HEAD <file>
02:59 eythian I did it earlier today
02:59 eythian It's also what git tells you to do when you run git status
02:59 dcook Now that I think about it,  maybe git checkout -- actually removes working directory changes..
02:59 cjh you DONT need --hard, --hard will also undo your changes
02:59 dcook eythian: My git status says "git checkout --"
02:59 dcook But yep...discards working directory changes
02:59 * dcook should've checked that first...
03:00 eythian mine says:
03:00 eythian # Changes to be committed:
03:00 eythian #   (use "git reset HEAD <file>..." to unstage)
03:00 dcook Mmm
03:00 dcook Drr..I'm slow
03:00 dcook Sorry, eythian!
03:01 dcook mtompset: But yeah...I've never managed to break Git. You can always reverse your changes. As for losing work in progress...I would suggest git stash save and possibly using multiple branches.
03:01 mtompset mine says git reset HEAD^1 <file>
03:02 eythian[…] <-- OK, this is really quite nifty
03:02 mtompset in my git commit message.
03:02 eythian mtompset: git status
03:02 wahanui git status is a-ok
03:02 eythian not git commit message
03:02 dcook eythian: This is nifty!
03:03 cjh eythian: neato
03:04 cjh mtompset: that would go back one commit (1 before HEAD), rather than unstage the added files.
03:04 mtompset Actually... I undid my 2 byte fix.
03:04 mtompset did a git add.
03:04 mtompset then a git commit --amend.
03:04 mtompset It's no longer listed. :)
03:05 dcook bgkriegel: Are obsolete tags included in the frameworks or just the default?
03:05 bgkriegel just the default
03:05 dcook K. Thanks :)
03:06 bgkriegel current  policy is to not remove tags (at last from default)
03:07 dcook I think that's a good policy
03:08 dcook I think it helps to minimize data loss overall. Makes sense not to include them in the other frameworks though, me thinks
03:09 bgkriegel they are not included now, so it's harmless, I suppose
03:10 dcook I suppose in the end it depends on the people who set up individualized frameworks, their cataloguers, and what sorts of policies they have in place
03:11 dcook I figure it's best to have at least one source where they have access to everything just in case
03:11 dcook Anyway, I've emailed that librarian with a link to the PDF :)
03:11 bgkriegel thanks :)
03:11 dcook I think she's been taking some RDA courses and such, so hopefully she'll provide some insight
03:29 mtompset Did I mention that I hate testing? :)
03:29 mtompset You almost always find some mistake.
03:29 * dcook loves testing
03:30 dcook Really
03:30 dcook I want the thing to be as good as possible before I release it
03:30 dcook How does that expression go...10% development, 90% error checking?
03:30 mtompset That's why I test, but I hate testing. I keep finding tiny bugs.
03:30 dcook But then you can resolve the bugs :)
03:31 dcook Although I suppose sometimes it seems like there's an endless train of bugs...
03:31 dcook Gotta love undocumented features...
03:31 dcook :D
03:32 mtompset or things you forget like casting to integer on the sort order. :P
03:32 dcook Handy thing to notice though
03:32 dcook I had the same thing happen with a different project a little while ago
03:33 dcook I stared at the thing for 5 minutes before I realized it was a string and not an integer
03:33 dcook Yeesh
03:35 dcook On the plus side, I think I've just about resolved this acquisitions/authorized value thing
03:35 dcook First time I've ever used .outerHTML in JS
03:36 dcook Hmm, git blame time...
03:37 dcook Oh that's special...I didn't know you could "git diff <file>"
03:37 dcook You being obvious and all
03:37 mtompset That's one of the first things I learned. :)
03:37 dcook Certainly a good one to know
03:38 dcook I just turned on color/syntax highlighting instead :p
03:42 mtompset Okay, the part of the patch works.
03:42 mtompset Now to find all the ways to trigger the fixup_cardnumber function, and trigger them.
03:43 dcook :D
03:43 dcook mtompset++
03:43 mtompset I think I'll do that later. I need proper sleep in order to get back on board my weightloss programme.
03:44 mtompset My patch trades a duplicate problem (worst case scenario) for a skipped number (worst case scenario).
03:44 dcook Hmm, I think that's grammatically impossible :p
03:44 dcook But good night :)
03:45 mtompset the former being a matter of timing things in the old code, while the latter requiring a process to die in the midst of adding a cardnumber.
03:46 dcook Sounds messy, but go get that proper sleep :p
03:47 mtompset Feel free to read C4::Member fixup_cardnumber, AddMember_Opac and C4::Input checkdigit to see the ugliness soon to be covered. :)
03:47 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone.
03:48 dcook Oh,'re crazy
03:53 dcook Oh's already been fixed in master...
03:53 wizzyrea natch
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03:56 dcook Gotta love how there are different ways of doing things with programming
03:56 dcook Looks like they opted for my original idea, although my latter idea had fewer changes..
03:56 dcook Looks like I have to keep the fix for 3.8 anyway
03:59 dcook Fridolyn Somers++
04:00 dcook wizzyrea: Looks like you could use an update:
04:00 wizzyrea probably yep
04:03 wizzyrea if you have a wiki login, you can update it for me :P
04:03 wizzyrea mine's broken at
04:03 wizzyrea atm
04:04 dcook That's not good
04:04 dcook Tell me what you want to put up there and I'll write it out
04:04 * dcook tries to think of something clever to put in
04:05 dcook brb
04:05 wizzyrea lol I got in :)
04:07 wizzyrea there, that ought to look bette.r
04:07 dcook :D
04:11 dcook I think I'm sick of winter already. Summer should come back. *nods*
04:11 dcook @wunder Sydney, Australia
04:11 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (2:00 PM EST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
04:11 dcook I still maintain I can do -30 winters with 100km+ winds
04:11 dcook But that's different somehow
04:12 dcook The weather right's mocking us
04:12 eythian @wunder nzwn
04:12 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady).
04:12 eythian dunno what you're talking about
04:12 dcook "I'm pretty warm but I'm just cold enough to make you not want to walk somewhere for lunch"
04:12 dcook Touché, eythian
04:12 eythian we're supposed to have 130+kph wind this evening.
04:14 dcook Time to batten down the hatches?
04:15 eythian probably everything that is likely to blow down or away already has.
04:15 wizzyrea hm it's not that windy
04:15 dcook huginn wasn't quite right about Sydney either. It's sunny, there are blue skies, and no wind. :/
04:15 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
04:16 eythian no, not right now, but it has been in the past month or so
04:16 dcook I thought that Wellington had a bunch of hills/mountains around it. Where's all this wind coming from?
04:16 wizzyrea my judge of wind is that tall tree out the window just behind me
04:16 wizzyrea it's funneled in
04:16 dcook wizzyrea: Same here
04:16 wizzyrea :)
04:16 dcook There are a few trees on the roof of the building over.
04:16 dcook Natural weathervanes :D
04:17 wizzyrea my tree isn't doing much of anything at the moment
04:17 dcook of mine is starting to shake a little more
04:17 wizzyrea oh there it goes perhaps the wind just arrived
04:17 dcook That's weird timing..
04:17 dcook Oh, now it's still again
04:18 wizzyrea nah just a breeze
04:18 wizzyrea lol
04:18 dcook hehe
04:18 dcook I feel bad for anyone reading these logs...
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04:46 Oak Guten morgen cait
04:47 Oak @wunder islamabad
04:47 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 33.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
04:48 cait hi Oak
04:48 cait @wunder Konstanz
04:48 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.5°C (6:45 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
04:48 eythian hi cait
04:49 cait hi eythian
04:49 wizzyrea hm that's nicer than it was when you went to bed.
04:49 wizzyrea :)
04:49 wizzyrea less nice in pakistan.
04:50 cait wizzyrea: it's 6:50 am - i am not sure it will stay so nice :)
04:50 wizzyrea hehe probably not.
04:54 cait wish it would
04:55 cait really do
04:56 cait hm but supposed to rain today... we will see
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05:20 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:20 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.7°C (7:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
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05:21 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 28.94 in 980 hPa (Falling).
05:36 magnuse @wunder boo
05:36 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
05:37 eythian see, that's more normal for a winter evening.
05:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
05:40 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 14.4°C (3:40 PM EST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
05:41 dcook I think we're losing our blue sky now but the rooftop tree is still pretty still
05:42 cait winter...
05:42 wahanui i guess winter is almost gone! I already need the fan on
05:43 dcook lol
05:43 dcook Wahanui, you're so witty.
05:43 wahanui dcook: i'm not following you...
05:47 eythian wahanui: knowledge is power
05:47 wahanui OK, eythian.
05:47 eythian wahanui: knowledge \is power
05:47 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
05:48 eythian wahanui: knowledge \is power is <reply>France is bacon.
05:48 wahanui OK, eythian.
05:49 dcook O_o
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05:55 saa after upgrade of koha from 3.8.6 to 3.12 rebuild zebra does not work and no results are found in OPAC hw to sort out this error why cron is not updating records
05:59 cait hmmm
05:59 cait documenting authorized values... wasn't there one to make labels for patron attributes?
06:20 * magnuse waves
06:21 magnuse knowledge?
06:21 wahanui well, knowledge is power, france is bacon.
06:21 dcook hey ya magnuse
06:21 dcook cait: Not sure I follow
06:21 cait i found it: PA_CLASS
06:21 dcook So what does it do?
06:22 * dcook is doing some work with patron attributes so very keen to learn all he can about them
06:22 dcook Mmm, I remember now...something about grouping?
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06:23 drojf good morning #koha
06:24 magnuse hiya dcook
06:24 magnuse moin drojf
06:24 drojf hei magnuse
06:24 * rangi waves before taking the kids to bed
06:24 drojf hi rangi
06:26 * dcook waves to rangi and drojf
06:26 dcook You too matts ;)
06:26 drojf hey dcook
06:26 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
06:26 matts hello ! :)
06:26 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.1°C (8:13 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
06:26 rangi[…]asp?ID=IWELLING75
06:26 rangi check out the graphs
06:26 dcook drojf, I know this might sound ridiculous, but every time I see a bollard now...I think of you :p
06:26 rangi @wunder nzwn
06:26 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Falling).
06:27 drojf dcook: lol
06:27 rangi we are getting hammered, but not as bad as the south island
06:27 dcook Whoa..that rainfall came out of nowhere
06:27 rangi yep big southerly front
06:28 rangi[…]-radar/wellington
06:29 magnuse ooh, 6 degrees! snow in the mountains?
06:32 rangi lots of snow
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06:35 marcelr hi #koha
06:36 dcook hey ya marcelr
06:37 dcook salut sophie_m
06:37 marcelr hi dcook sophie_m
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06:38 reiveune hello
06:38 cait ah sorry dcook: yes grouping and defining custom labels for the groups
06:38 marcelr hi reiveune cait
06:38 cait hi marcelr
06:38 cait and bbl
06:39 dcook bonjour reiveune
06:39 dcook cait: For display on the template?
06:39 cait yes
06:39 cait makes it look almost like is has always been there
06:40 cait only thing for us is the label is not translatable
06:40 cait should not be a problem for you :)
06:40 cait meaning it's one-language-only
06:40 dcook Mmm
06:40 dcook We have a few multilingual libraries
06:40 dcook I think mostly French and Arabic though
06:40 cait oh wow :)
06:40 reiveune hi cait, marcelr, magnuse, dcook :)
06:40 dcook So we care! :D
06:40 cait well i would use their primary language then
06:40 cait or do some double label
06:41 dcook I think they tend to use English overall
06:41 cait ok, leavingnow - bbiab
06:41 dcook Sort of a language
06:41 dcook ta, cait
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06:45 alex_a onjour
06:45 alex_a +b
06:50 dcook bonjour alex_a :)
06:50 alex_a bonjour dcook !
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06:59 gaetan_B hello
06:59 wahanui hola, gaetan_B
07:00 dcook hey gaetan_B
07:00 wahanui gaetan_B is probably working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
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07:20 kf hi #koha
07:33 magnuse wb kf
07:34 magnuse you did not melt en route to work?
07:39 dac Apparently "to adumbrate" is another term for "to outline" as in to outline one's points
07:39 dac English...
07:39 wahanui english is spoken @ BibLibre :)
07:40 magnuse english <3
07:52 rangi hmmm power flicking like crazy
07:52 rangi UPS apc@localhost on battery
07:55 rangi yay average windspeed of 81kmph
07:55 * dac wishes Wellington and NZers all the best.
07:55 rangi no wonder its loud
07:57 magnuse yeah, that is some wind
08:02 rangi[…]47615759742144514
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08:06 saa i need to set koha cron i upgraded koha from 3.8 to 3.10 i logged in as koha user and created crontab -e and whereever koha_user was there i have added koha but rebuild_zebra does not work
08:07 saa can some one help
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08:20 rangi Wellington Electricity spokesman Drew Douglas said the weather had caused extensive damage, with affected areas including Titahi Bay, Trentham, Silverstream, Wingate, Wainuiomata, Miaramar and Kingsley Heights.
08:20 rangi About 1100 households were without power, on one of the coldest nights of the year.
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08:25 rangi ohh
08:25 rangi the hourly average is up to 102
08:26 * rangi blathers on while he still has power
08:30 saa i have set koha cronjob with koha as a user but rebuild_zebra gives an error in mail kohauser mail says "/bin/sh: koha: not found"
08:31 saa can someone help to correct the cronjob so that new records are searched in OPAC
08:32 rangi how did you set up the cron job?
08:32 saa logged in as koha user
08:32 rangi put it in /etc/cron.d ?
08:32 saa crontab -e and read file from /usr/share/koha/bin/crontab.example
08:32 saa but who should own the file
08:33 saa and in each line added koha whereever __KOHA_USER was replaced with koha
08:34 rangi that file is set up for placing in /etc/cron.d
08:34 rangi if you edit with crontab -e
08:34 rangi its gonna run as the user you edited with, so you dont specify a user
08:34 rangi (not really a koha issue, more linux/unix)
08:35 saa but hw will i knw whether it ran or nt
08:35 saa atleast if i run as a koha it gave me mail with /bin/sh not found error
08:37 saa hw do i knw where this file would be nw if i created it with koha@localhost:crontab -e
08:42 rangi i think maybe you need to read up on linux server admin .. these aren't koha questions
08:43 rangi[…]nux-or-unix-oses/
09:23 rangi ohhh 11metre waves in the harbour
09:24 kf ugh
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09:25 samueld hi everybody
09:26 samueld i've some questions about  search in koha
09:26 samueld date of publishing is linked to field 210$d and 305 (we use Unimarc): how can we delete the field 305? I suppose it's in zebra
09:26 samueld we would like to make research on the date of record creation: is it possible (and how?)
09:31 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:31 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.3°C (11:30 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
09:36 magnuse kf: freezing?
09:37 magnuse @wunder boo
09:37 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
09:44 rangi @wunder nzwn
09:44 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Rising).
09:44 rangi that doesnt sound too bad
09:45 rangi then you read this
09:46 rangi Power is out to more than 25,000 homes across Wellington and a ferry has broken loose from its moorings as one of the worst storm in decades batters the region.
09:46 rangi All flights, ferries and train services in and out of the capital are cancelled tonight.
09:47 rangi The Kaitaki ferry in Wellington harbour has broken its moorings, and staff were unable to bring it back into berth. An Interislander spokeswoman said the ship had been anchored in the harbour temporarily.
09:47 rangi thats a big ferry too
09:48 rangi
09:48 kf :(
09:48 rangi its ok, they will just have to keep the engines going all night
09:48 kf we are supposed to get some big thunderstorms too today, tomorrow
09:48 rangi i think no passengers
09:49 kf really weird weather
09:49 rangi not like this one
09:49 rangi
09:50 kf she has quite a history
09:50 rangi ppl are sayyin the storm reminds them of the one that sunk the wahine
09:50 kf talk like that is not good
09:50 kf let's hope it doesn't sink
09:51 rangi well the difference is kaitaki is in hte harbour, has stabilisers and no passengers
09:51 rangi the wahine tried to come into the harbour when it shouldnt have and hit rocks
09:53 magnuse ouch
09:54 rangi samueld: you probably have to change the record.abs file and reindex
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11:36 liw rangi, eek!
11:37 alex_a :)
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12:06 khall mornin all!
12:07 kf morning khall :)
12:07 khall rangi et al: are the isbn and issn fields in import_biblios vestigial? I had thought they were used for record matching, but that seems to be done using the marc only
12:08 khall mornin kf!
12:09 kf khall: it's suing zebra for matching
12:09 kf so i'd thing the table columsn are probably only to ease searching/identifying?
12:10 khall kf: that's what I thought, but I'm not sure that is the case really
12:10 khall if you look at C4::Matcher::get_matches it's doing a marc search
12:11 khall I'm trying to improve the isbn matching
12:11 khall right now if I am correct, it only matches on the exact same set of isbn's in the exact same order.
12:12 kf it certainly needs zebra to work
12:12 kf and if you don't wait for the index to catch up, you have problems
12:12 kf that is my experience ;)
12:12 khall I've written a sub to normalize all the isbns in a record ( stripping them down to raw, valid isbns without any cruft ) and storing that in the biblio.isbn and import_biblios.isbn fields, but it's not helping
12:13 khall hmm, maybe I need to reindex
12:13 magnuse see also bug 6590 :-)
12:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio
12:14 khall magnuse: I wish I'd seen this earlier! Thanks!
12:14 * khall needs to ask about stuff before starting any development
12:14 magnuse hehe
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12:17 khall however, I'm going a but further. I'm stripping all non isbn stuff out so "08-77-790-019 (black leather)" would become "0877790019"
12:18 khall it works, but it looks like I'll have to modify the fields within the record itself, which I was hoping to avoid
12:18 khall howoever, it looks like 6590 might help here, with a bit of modification
12:21 khall looking at the code, that is an interesting solution. I'd never have though to use xsl
12:43 samueld another question (now of  display): is it possible to delete Current location or Home Library of a detailed record?
12:44 samueld i suppose it's a question of xsl
12:47 kf khall: hm have you looked at business:isbn?
12:47 khall kf: yeah, that's what I'm using!
12:47 kf oh alright :)
12:47 kf bit hectic here - starting a webinar in a few minutes :)
12:47 khall we can do all the exact same stuff with issn too afterward
12:48 kf khall: those are not indexed
12:48 kf you'd need to make the index right i think
12:49 khall seems like they'd have to be for the matcher to work on issn
12:50 khall samueld: it may be easier to hide with jquery than it would be to remove if from the xsl file
12:51 kf khall: i would think that you'd need to have the right forms in the record or use dom with some xsl ... but then you can't use business:isbn...
12:52 kf not sure what's the best way here - but it coudl also be invalid isbn by the way
12:52 kf sometimes they print a wrong isbn on a book
12:52 kf there are fields in marc21 for those
12:52 samueld khall: if i understand, i need to use jquery but at which level? In which file should i use jquery?
12:52 khall kf: take a look at the patch for 6590
12:53 kf khall: can't right now - maybe later
12:53 khall samueld: you would put it in opacuserjs
12:53 kf samueld: look in the system preferences
12:53 kf you should never change files ever. that's the first rule :)
12:53 khall you can parse the url to know if you should even run the code to hide it
12:54 jcamins college_networks--
12:54 jcamins This is not security, this is absurdity.
12:54 samueld ok
12:55 khall a man has a problem, he needs to hide some data on the details page, he says "I know! I'll edit he xsl file!", now that man has 2 problems.
12:55 jcamins lol
12:56 khall security through absurdity still sounds better than security though obscurity ; )
12:58 jcamins khall: it does until you try it.
12:58 jcamins Hint to network administrators everywhere: Netscape is no longer used.
12:58 khall ha!
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13:06 jcamins khall: the way to handle ISBN/ISSN matching would be to include a normalized ISBN/ISSN in the Zebra indexes.
13:06 jcamins Less work for you. ;)
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13:19 magnuse jcamins, khall: and people seem to agree on bug 6590 that we should not change what cataloguers entered before storing it in the record, or at least that is how i remember it
13:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio
13:19 magnuse so having a noramlized isbn *somewhere* for the indexing sounds like a good idea
13:20 jcamins magnuse: that's why including the normalized ISBN/ISSN in the indexes is less work.
13:21 magnuse yup
13:22 khall jcamins: yes I would tend to agree with that
13:27 Viktor Can I ask a OT question since you guys are my best international library related network? What would you think that a person with the title "Head of the Regional Library Department" does for a living?
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13:28 jcamins Viktor: sit in meetings.
13:28 Viktor jcamins Quite correct ;)
13:29 jcamins I'd interpret it as being a fairly senior position.
13:30 jcamins Managing lots of libraries.
13:31 jcamins Wow, I am impressed.
13:32 jcamins I am using a Voyager catalog, and you know how we thought "ew" five years ago? Apparently we had no idea.
13:33 Viktor jcamins Sound's like it communicates the right thing. Thanks!
13:37 Viktor Now I'm interested. Voyager isn't on my radar. Nice surprise or five years making it even more outdated?
13:37 jcamins Viktor: they "updated" it, and removed all the labels from the search results.
13:37 jcamins Along with authors.
13:38 Viktor What - no authors? That's a fairly weird move...
13:38 jcamins I know!
13:38 jcamins It's also even uglier.
13:38 jcamins Instead of looking out-of-date, to my eye it now just looks tacky.
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13:39 Viktor Do you have a URL? I have to see this :)
13:40 jcamins Wait, that's kind of weird.
13:40 jcamins That's the URL I started at, but a different interface.
13:41 jcamins Ah-ha. The disastrous interface is just in the call number browse.
13:41 jcamins Other than that, it mostly just looks out of date, and the same as it did five years ago.
13:42 jcamins No...
13:42 Viktor Well I'd say hideous. Looks like 1997...
13:42 jcamins Oh, yeah, definitely hideous. But that's what I anticipated.
13:43 jcamins The absence of authors in the results view is a bit annoying, though.
13:43 jcamins Argh!
13:43 jcamins Also, they apparently can't handle paging in multiple tabs.
13:43 Viktor The last one looks quite a bit better. And does seem to give me authors at free search at least.
13:44 jcamins Yeah, I guess it's just the call number browse which is unusable.
13:44 Viktor Aha - now I see it!
13:45 Viktor Call number browse not looking very helpful :)
13:45 jcamins But with the call number browse, if it weren't for the fact that I recognize almost every single book in the 'Z's, it would be entirely useless.
13:46 Viktor And it's not just the search results. I'd have thought that authors were displayed when looking at a particular book but it seems not.
13:47 Viktor I guess not even the librarians implementing the system used call number browse very much :)
13:47 jcamins Heh.
13:47 jcamins Apparently not.
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13:50 Viktor Does anyone have a nice "last headlines and first 150 characters on the blog"  widget to share? I've been checking the web but it seems like the kind of search that makes me wade through spam sites and homemade scripts...
13:51 jcamins Viktor: I had a lot of trouble finding something that did that.
13:51 jcamins I ended up writing my own.
13:51 jcamins Though it wasn't really for a blog.
13:51 Viktor jcamins Good question. Our public libraries don't seem to think so. And I used to mourn the lack of usage of databases when I was the IT-librarian at a public library.
13:52 jcamins Viktor: I'm spending the morning in a college library, which means I fall under their site license.
13:52 Viktor Is it on Github or such? I've been thinking about something like that with a Python script that outputs html to import into the Opac.
13:53 jcamins Viktor: I'm not sure where I have a copy of that code, actually...
13:53 jcamins I'll take a look around, see if I can find it.
13:53 jcamins I don't use it anymore.
13:53 Viktor jcamins Thanks. It's no big deal but it would be great with a few such boxes on the opac at go live this autumn.
13:54 Viktor jcamins And if you don't find it thats an excuse for me to code a bit :D
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13:57 Viktor Let it also be known that bgkriegel provides swift and competent support even when you make newbie errors. Thanks for that :)
13:57 Viktor And hi drojf
13:57 gmcharlt @quote random
13:57 jcamins Viktor: translating on Pootle? :)
13:57 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #208: "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." (added by jcamins at 03:01 PM, June 28, 2012)
13:58 Viktor jcamins Yep. I have a company doing offline translation for 3.12 staff interface and they did a few things not quite ok with quotes that I didn't catch.
13:58 drojf hi Viktor. you have been looking for me?
13:59 Viktor drojf Yes. Didn't we talk about dictionaries as a byproduct of translation a while back?
13:59 drojf yes we did
14:00 Viktor drojf The translators started an excel file that looks like it might be something in that direction. It's just a few lines as of now but if you want to have a look and find it useful I can ask them to keep building on it.
14:01 drojf yes that would be cool
14:02 Viktor drojf Trying to send it using "send file" in IRC.
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14:05 drojf Viktor: i don't think that works in the university network, i sent you a direct message
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14:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 32.4°C (4:13 PM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
14:15 * drojf awaits the promised rain
14:15 drojf and hail and thunderstorm :D
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14:28 Viktor I wish you all a great midsummer! (one of the biggest national holidays here in Sweden for those not in the know.)
14:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10010 - Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor <[…]563c16dabcb4e6c8b>
14:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #1265 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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15:06 adam_m I have a question about making labels, nothing really to do with koha itself, but what kind of paper or tape or whatever would anyone suggest for putting barcodes onto books?
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15:14 bgkriegel tcohen?
15:14 wahanui tcohen is 122
15:15 tcohen i'm sorry, i'm writing my birthday email for my friends :-P
15:15 tcohen bbl
15:15 bgkriegel ok :)
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15:29 librarygeekadam Greetings! I have a quick question and would appreciate any answer or information anyone can provide. We are in the process of planning out a digital archives and possible institutional repository. Is koha capable of handling dublin core and other formats of metadata? Is koha able to handle document or media files or at least be able to pull up the file if we provide the path?
15:31 jcamins 1) As of today, you would need to convert your other metadata into brief MARC records, and, 2) the OPAC can link to external resources and embed HTML5 audio/video.
15:31 jcamins One of the RM's goals is to add support for other types of metadata.
15:32 jcamins (but I wouldn't rely on that being in 3.14 until I saw it was in 3.14)
15:33 librarygeekadam @jcamins do you know if using koha as a repository is something that is being discussed for future development?
15:33 huginn librarygeekadam: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
15:34 pianohacker librarygeekadam: That was our bot. He saw the @ and thought you were asking him to do something :)
15:35 jcamins librarygeekadam: not really. There is a development to make it possible to upload files to attach to records, but in terms of turning Koha into a document management system, I think most people would rather use a system specifically designed for that, like Kete.
15:40 drojf somebody closed the wrong window ;)
15:41 bgkriegel bye
15:41 * jcamins wanders off as well to see if there's anyone interesting in the English department.
15:41 jcamins (visiting my alma mater)
15:42 drojf have fun
15:42 * drojf opens up a real book. made out of paper. strange stuff
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16:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1265: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1265/
16:09 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10010 - Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor
16:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10010 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor
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16:46 reiveune bye
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16:52 nengard is there a way from the command line to overlay records I'm importing based on the isbn match? the docs seem to say if it finds an isbn match then the one i'm importing is ignored
16:59 gaetan_B bye
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17:48 nengard anyone koha if there is there a way from the command line to overlay records I'm importing based on the isbn match? the docs seem to say if it finds an isbn match then the one i'm importing is ignored
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18:04 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:05 mtompset Thanks for the conversation yesterday, everyone. I think we'll finally end up determining how to deal with policy and technology to handle our scenarios in a meeting in the near future. :)
18:06 mtompset While I'm thinking of it. Is it possible to access the staff client for only searching the catalogue?
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18:08 drojf mtompset: you mean allow only searching the catalogue?
18:09 mtompset without affecting the catalogue or acquistions or other system settings, etc.
18:09 mtompset Yes.
18:10 drojf i don't know the permissions too well but you can turn off a lot in there
18:14 mtompset That's what I need to test. Because if I just give a user staff client access, what can they do with it?
18:15 pianohacker mtompset: Very little, the base "catalogue" permission allows access to a very small minimum
18:16 mtompset because right now the difference between staff and OPAC clients in terms of searching hidden items is what I'm thinking about.
18:17 pianohacker that would be an easy way of solving your problem. Look for the flagsrequired line in the various .pl scripts to see what permissions are required for certain tasks
18:17 pianohacker catalogue, for instance, does not allow access to any patron information
18:21 mtompset Hmmm... flagsrequired. Good idea, pianohacker.
18:21 mtompset pianohacker++
18:42 mtompset BTW, greetings drojf and pianohacker. :)
18:42 pianohacker hey mtompset :)
18:57 sunspot hi all, alex from, I logged in last night and was told things may be more active at other times so I'm back :)
18:58 pianohacker oh crap somebody wants help! run away
18:58 pianohacker ;) What's your question?
18:58 sunspot pianohacker: :)
18:59 sunspot we are hoping to find a developer or two to partner with to integrate our status reporting with Koha
19:00 sunspot the basic idea is that 30suns lets you easily report all service incidents to a service health dashboard
19:00 sunspot e.g.,
19:00 sunspot and we think librarians are our natural allies, we imagine they like to keep track of things :)
19:00 drojf hi mtompset
19:02 sunspot is this channel a good place to find people that might be interested in collaborating on that?
19:04 pianohacker sunspot: My advice would be to create a bug on the community bug tracker describing what you have in mind, and mark "Change sponsored?" as "Seeking developer"
19:04 pianohacker then post to the Koha mailing list
19:05 pianohacker
19:07 sunspot oh my, that is a rather large database of bugs LOL
19:07 pianohacker hahahaha yeah
19:07 gmcharlt we've also been around for a while :)
19:08 pianohacker We only just made it into the 10,000s, whereas Mozilla has been in the 100,000s for a while now :)
19:10 drojf sunspot: that's a large number of incidents too :P
19:13 sunspot drojf: indeed :)
19:17 sunspot would the koha project be interested in a free account for tracking the project's various services, websites, etc?
19:18 pianohacker hmmm. That would be an excellent thing to mention in your email :)
19:20 pianohacker Is anyone here familiar with real-world use of the calendar module? The precedence rules currently put weekday-holidays above yearly-holidays, which seems a bit bass-ackwards, but I can preserve that if it's important
19:20 sunspot I'd like to avoid sending a spammy email to a public mailing list
19:21 pianohacker True. We appreciate that
19:24 ibeardslee sunspot: is your speel for an open source product?
19:26 sunspot ibeardslee: our integration libraries will all be open source, yes
19:26 sunspot ibeardslee: we're working with a number of OSS players in various communities to develop integration points to make it really easy to report incidents on a dashboard
19:26 ibeardslee good to know
19:47 rangi hmm no fence
19:52 sunspot rangi++ on your handle:[…]ne.php?term=rangi
19:53 sunspot rangi: I assume it refers to #3 ;)
19:53 sunspot koha is from new zealand right?
19:53 pianohacker umm. I'd never thought of that. Is sunspot right?
19:53 pianohacker rangi: also, fence?
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19:57 rangi pianohacker:[…]e-a-freight-train
19:57 rangi sunspot: yep and yep
19:57 pianohacker oh crap! You okay?
19:57 rangi yeah, the house is fine, and we didnt lose power
19:58 rangi lost a fence, collected a bit of someone elses roof
19:58 sunspot rangi: wow, seriously fierce storm ... any service incidents you need to report? LOL ;)
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20:05 rangi sunspot: so far all my systems are still up :)
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20:12 drojf large thunderstorm coming up
20:12 drojf i hope we don't do the roof exchange thing
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20:34 mtompset Oh sucky! liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl in Ubuntu is an earlier version.
20:41 gmcharlt mtompset: sadly, yes
20:42 mtompset Can't you change the required number to 0.20?
20:42 mtompset I read the change log, and it doesn't seem to make much difference.
20:43 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "Library::... changelog" (31 lines) at
20:43 gmcharlt mtompset: there's no functional difference, but the change introduced in 0.21 fixes a log-spew
20:43 mtompset Oh, there's a log spew in the Ubuntu version as a result?
20:43 gmcharlt the "for qw(a b c)" construct that it used to used is deprecated in the version of the Perl that's packaged with Precise
20:44 mtompset Does the license allow for us to provide the 0.22 on koha repos?
20:46 gmcharlt there's no licensing bar to doing that, though I'm not sure how the package powers that be would feel about operating a (very partial) precise-backports tree
20:47 gmcharlt maybe file a bug or do whatever to ask ubuntu to port 0.22 to precise-backports?
20:47 mtompset why a precise-backports?
20:47 gmcharlt 0.22 *is* packaged for quantal
20:47 jcamins I imagine that eythian would object to something that adds work for him for no real benefit.
20:48 mtompset Oh bug report with ubuntu.
20:48 gmcharlt right
20:48 jcamins Well, package maintainer.
20:49 gmcharlt[…]esting_a_Backport
20:49 gmcharlt looks like they provide a requestbackport script
20:51 gmcharlt or try request a SRU (, though I get the impression from reading it that they set the bar higher
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21:29 rangi right, made it to work
21:29 wizzyrea \o/
21:30 drnoe hello #koha, I have a question regarding DOM: in [biblios-OR-authority]-koha-indexdefs.xml, how does <index_data_field [blah] tag=xxx> work differently from <index_subfields[blah]  tag="xxx" subfields="a">? Aside from the obvious (specific subfields can be indexed), how does using data_field work? Does it simply index the whole thing?
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21:33 pianohacker Yay daily netsplit
21:33 rangi drnoe: i have no idea im afraid
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21:34 pianohacker drnoe: from what I can tell from[…]hment.cgi?id=8969 , it joins together all of the subfields of that tag with spaces
21:35 pianohacker xslt--
21:35 gmcharlt pianohacker: drnoe: correct
21:35 rangi in happier wellington news, catalyst won a gold award last night
21:35 pianohacker ha-hey, nice :)
21:37 pianohacker oh good, xslt has a karma of -3
21:37 * pianohacker approves
21:37 gmcharlt xslt++
21:37 gmcharlt gotta have some balance
21:38 rangi its better than a lot of other things ive seen
21:38 rangi xslt that is
21:38 wizzyrea it's at least mostly comprehensible.
21:38 rangi the bit i like, its repeatable
21:38 pianohacker true. I just have a deep-seated hatred of XML in general. Like most widely-adopted things, though, it's at least better than some of the alternatives
21:39 rangi *nod*
21:40 pianohacker and I really like the idea of XSLT. The thing I've never gotten is why XSLT _itself_ had to be written in XML
21:40 cait xslt++ :)
21:40 * cait feels rebellious
21:40 pianohacker bah!
21:41 pianohacker imagine a world where CSS was written in XML!
21:41 cait heh
21:42 rangi wow
21:42 * cait can imagine worse things
21:42 rangi the seawall was demolished
21:42 cait seawall?
21:43 rangi no wonder there were fish on the road
21:43 cjh seawall?
21:43 pianohacker wallsea?
21:43 cjh alll wallsea.
21:43 rangi[…]wind-whipped-city
21:43 rangi image 3
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21:44 rangi snapping big chunks of concrete like that, is pretty impressive
21:44 ibeardslee rangi: those gold awards weren't without fun and games .. power went out for a bit and Daniel mentioned something about a wall blowing in and knocking things over
21:44 cait wow ouch!
21:44 rangi image 5 is our beach .. or was :)
21:45 rangi 11 too
21:45 rangi that used to be a road
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21:46 rangi ibeardslee: heh fun and games all round the region last night
21:46 rangi my ups here at work blipped twice
21:46 rangi once a 7.11 and once at 7.27
21:47 cjh in kelburn our lights were flickering quite a bit
21:47 ibeardslee yeah there were some glitchs levon had to come in to check
21:47 pianohacker wellington's so binary; seems like such a nice place to live when mother nature isn't trying to wipe it off the earth
21:47 rangi its still nice even then
21:47 rangi you get some great wellington humour coming out
21:47 ibeardslee encourages people to talk to each other
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21:48 wizzyrea hehe ^^ what they said
21:48 rangi[…]47639198133665792
21:48 ibeardslee one of those things about hardship, brings people closer
21:48 pianohacker hahahahaha
21:48 rangi[…]47636895267840000
21:48 wizzyrea it flickered quite a lot in newtown but never went out
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21:48 wizzyrea yeah the trampoline memes were quite funny last night
21:49 wodas hello.
21:49 wizzyrea seems everyone who has a trampoline had some drama surrounding it
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21:49 ibeardslee I had flickering in j'ville, but Newlands was dark when I drove in this morning
21:49 rangi yeah, still about 28k houses without power
21:50 rangi they lost the north south link last night
21:50 pianohacker ?
21:50 wodas i have a feature question concerning koha, is anyone in the mood to help me?
21:50 wizzyrea yea that was a bit crazy
21:50 wizzyrea ask?
21:50 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask.
21:50 wizzyrea ^
21:50 wizzyrea :)
21:50 wodas 'kay. ^^
21:51 rangi pianohacker:[…]r-system-overview
21:51 wodas so i'm testing Koha at the moment. used the demos on the community page.
21:51 wodas and i was wondering about the "submit" buttons
21:51 rangi pianohacker: that HVDC transfer, was down last night, powere in the norht island spiked to 600$ ish, and it got to 0.05 in the south island
21:52 wodas i have no barcode reader here, but i wondered if you really always have to press submit or hit "enter" when you fill in a  barcode somewhere
21:52 rangi not if your barcode reader sends an enter
21:52 pianohacker phew, yeah, nice little dip in
21:52 wizzyrea how would koha know you were ready to submit?
21:53 pianohacker most barcode scanners can be configured to sent an "Enter" key or not after a barcode
21:53 wodas well, i'm used in commercial solutions. they recognize it with the length of the barcode.
21:53 rangi pianohacker: otoh its pretty cool we can see all that stuff
21:53 pianohacker We usually had that on for circ desk staff and off for catalogers, for instance
21:53 pianohacker rangi: That really is. Yay transparency :)
21:54 cait wodas: i don't know about commercial
21:54 rangi wodas: you mean proprietary, theres nothing inherently commercial or non commercial about koha
21:54 cait but I think in ILS sending a return at the end is pretty comon
21:54 cait i know 3 ILS that work that way at least :)
21:54 rangi but yeah, just tell the scanner to send a return, problem solved
21:54 wodas Ok, so i'm used to a rather exotic piece of software. ^^
21:55 pianohacker wodas: If reconfiguring your barcode scanners isn't an option, you _could_ write a bit of JavaScript to automatically submit once a certain number of digits have been entered
21:55 cait if you scan into a text file and all barcodes turn out on a new line... than your scanner might be configured to do it already
21:55 pianohacker that requires you or someone you pay knowing JS, though
21:55 wizzyrea I think they said they don't have a scanner
21:55 wodas i do. @ piano hacker
21:55 cait hm could you just press enter instead of clicking it?
21:55 cait there is also an enter on the numpad
21:56 wodas and it was more a theoretical question.
21:56 wodas i'm used to serve people with lots of media at once, scanning 20 barcodes and stuff. i would go mad, if i always had to press some button or hit enter. :D
21:57 pianohacker so the answer is no, but you could make it behave the way you expect by either fiddling with your scanner or JavaScript
21:57 wodas Ok. :)
21:57 pianohacker best of luck looking through the demos, hope you like what you see :)
21:58 wodas So thanks for your answers, all of you, i was just wondering if i missed sth.
21:58 wodas And yeah i like Koha, only this issue astonished me somehow.
21:58 wodas Good night guys!
21:58 wizzyrea if you were to add such a thing you might consider adding your code to the
21:58 pianohacker and yeah. I didn't appreciate until I had to help out at the front desk one day how big a difference shaving two or three clicks off could make
21:58 wizzyrea jquery library?
21:58 wahanui i heard jquery library was found at[…]ki/JQuery_Library
21:58 wizzyrea you can stash the javascript directly in the intranetuserjs system preference
21:59 rangi if you are typing barcodes you have much bigger problems
21:59 wizzyrea as described in that wiki page
21:59 wizzyrea ^^ what he said
21:59 rangi get a scanner that sends an enter
21:59 rangi because you will typo things, its a guaranteed certainty
22:00 pianohacker I wonder if they have the barcode-programmable Metrologic; those things are everywhere
22:00 rangi you are really hard pressed to buy a scanner that isnt programmable
22:00 rangi and that costs more than 30$
22:01 rangi unless you get one of those fancy bluetooth ones
22:01 pianohacker O_o $30? Most reputable scanners I've seen are in the ~$150 range
22:01 rangi really?
22:01 wahanui really is off now
22:02 rangi i bought a usb one for $30 nz about 2 months ago
22:02 rangi someone is getting ripped off :)
22:02 * pianohacker would be quite happy to be proven wrong! :)
22:02 pianohacker do you have a link?
22:04 rangi it was from dick smiths and their website is balls
22:04 rangi but looking at priceme looks like from $90-8000 nzd range :)
22:04 pianohacker yup, that sounds right!
22:05 cait i think the prices dropped a bit since i last checked :)
22:05 ibeardslee[…]spx?ItemID=411064
22:05 rangi yep thatd be about 45us
22:06 pianohacker hrm, that's a CCD scanner though
22:06 pianohacker I guess the laser ones might be the more expensive ones
22:06 rangi yeah
22:06 rangi and the ones with network connectivity
22:07 rangi but still, even at 500 say for a super fancy one
22:07 pianohacker for 8000 nzd you better get lazars (with a z!), bluetooth, wifi and a goddamn pet hair removal comb
22:07 rangi you'll save that back in about a week
22:08 wizzyrea the expensive ones scan 2d barcodes :P
22:08 pianohacker fine, a 2d pet hair removal comb
22:09 ibeardslee for the 2d/QR barcodes .. is it worth putting effort in getting a cheap android camera phone with barcode scanner?
22:09 rangi they are slllloooow
22:09 rangi the phones
22:09 cait hm we got a bit of a storm now
22:09 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:09 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
22:09 rangi that would be fine for a mobile library or somethign tho, but not at a circ desk
22:10 pianohacker does anyone know if metrologic's scanners are still good after their acquisition by honeywell? I used to recommend metrologic to anyone
22:10 cait drizzle.
22:10 cait ineresting
22:10 rangi pianohacker: no idea
22:10 rangi most of my libraries are moving to rfid
22:10 rangi not buying new scanners
22:10 cait we don't really recommend hardware
22:11 pianohacker rangi: makes sense. prices come down for that in the past few years?
22:11 pianohacker the tags were never horrible, but scanners were expensive and a massive pita to set up
22:11 rangi naw, still ridiculous
22:11 rangi self check?
22:11 wahanui
22:12 rangi but that doesnt stop ppl spending money on them
22:12 cait heh
22:12 cait true
22:12 rangi actually the return chutes are the rort
22:12 rangi they have no redeeming features
22:12 pianohacker I know what it'll be but I still click on it every time
22:12 rangi because you have to rescan every anyway
22:12 rangi pianohacker: have you seen the marc one?
22:13 cait we should use more marc.
22:13 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
22:13 wizzyrea yea, every place I've been to they still have to do  lot of human processing, it's never as fully automatic as people wish, and for the cost they could probably hire a couple people to do the job.
22:13 rangi *nod*
22:13 pianohacker rangi: hehe, now I have
22:13 rangi checkout i can get behind
22:13 wizzyrea ok getting ready to brave the cold and wander towards work
22:14 rangi but i cant get behind automated return chutes
22:14 wizzyrea it seems not so awful
22:14 pianohacker yeah, properly set-up rfid self-check/front desk is pretty amazingly smooth
22:15 pianohacker do you still have to poke random Sanskrit down a serial port to get those things to work?
22:15 wizzyrea more or less
22:15 rangi cant get behind that
22:15 wahanui
22:16 wizzyrea lol
22:18 rangi pianohacker: did you know you can make a 3m machine reboot
22:18 rangi if you send it a checkout succeeded message
22:18 rangi without a due date
22:18 cjh heh
22:18 pianohacker heh, yup, I remember that
22:18 rangi i didnt until last wednesday
22:19 cjh stable as.
22:19 pianohacker those things are poorly-documented barely-duct-taped-together messes of crap
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22:29 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period).
22:30 pianohacker I'm going to sign in from a relay through the mars reconnaissance orbiter tomorrow, that'll show mtompset
22:30 rangi heh
22:33 gmcharlt devs... in.... spaaaaace!
22:37 eythian pianohacker: I used to talk to Australia via a radio data link that bounced off the Mir space station :)
22:38 pianohacker that's awesome!
22:41 bag yeah that's pretty cool :)
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22:42 eythian[…]717770241/photo/1 <-- sucks to be that person
22:43 pianohacker "... just imagine you're pulling out of a _really tight_ parallel spot Jimmy"
22:44 ibeardslee[…]ught-in-the-slips
23:06 tcohen hi #koha
23:06 tcohen bgkriegel?
23:06 wahanui bgkriegel is on a signoff spree
23:06 bgkriegel hi
23:06 tcohen lets' tackle rangi
23:07 bgkriegel ok
23:07 tcohen hi rangi
23:08 rangi heya :)
23:08 tcohen gotcha
23:08 tcohen do u have time to talk to us about the release task?
23:08 rangi yep
23:09 rangi so what you want to do is clone this git://
23:09 eythian heh "Lost: TV Antenna. $5 reward."
23:10 tcohen got it
23:10 rangi then to build the release notes
23:10 bgkriegel yep
23:10 rangi in your up to date 3.10.x or 3.12.x branch
23:11 rangi run something like this
23:12 rangi ../release-tools/ --version 3.10.07 -t v3.10.06
23:13 rangi that will make your your 3.10.07 release notes
23:13 rangi git add, git commit them
23:13 rangi next .. bgkriegel you need to set up pull requests or at least branches for 3.10.x and 3.12.x with the updated po files to merge in
23:14 bgkriegel mmm, No usable version at ../release-tools/ line 93.
23:14 bgkriegel yes
23:14 rangi bgkriegel: type git tag
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23:14 rangi do you see a v3.10.06 tag?
23:15 bgkriegel yes
23:15 rangi hmm
23:15 bgkriegel ah my mistake, I miss a 0
23:15 rangi :)
23:16 rangi you probably want to check and edit the release notes if you notice any mistakes
23:16 tcohen "0 features"
23:17 rangi actually i was using the jcamins branch not master
23:17 rangi to do the release notes
23:18 tcohen that was on gitorious?
23:18 rangi lemme see what difference it makes
23:18 rangi no on koha-community just not master
23:18 rangi oh the master ones look okish
23:18 rangi just id remove the new features bit
23:19 rangi before pushing the notes
23:19 rangi id hope a bugfix release would have no new features :)
23:19 rangi so once those notes look ok
23:19 rangi and once you have the updated po files
23:20 rangi the step i forgot to do last time
23:20 rangi is edit and
23:20 rangi to bump the version number
23:20 pianohacker bye all. Stay safe, nz
23:21 eythian <-- path of the Kaitaki ferry last night.
23:21 rangi heh
23:21 rangi awesome
23:21 rangi bgkriegel/tcohen: with me so far?
23:21 tcohen yes
23:21 bgkriegel yes, all ok
23:22 rangi awesome
23:22 tcohen syn_rcvd
23:22 rangi then you can push those
23:22 rangi or you can tag first and then push
23:22 rangi to tag i do
23:23 rangi git tag -a v3.08.12 -s -m 'Koha release 3.8.12'
23:23 rangi for example
23:23 rangi then you need to do a push with --tags
23:23 rangi once that is done, you are ready to roll the release
23:24 rangi to do that i do
23:24 rangi ../release-tools/ 3.8.12 3.8.x
23:24 rangi Numbers changed according
23:24 rangi the 3.8.x is the name of your localbranch
23:25 rangi then you will end up with
23:25 rangi a releases dir
23:25 rangi that contains
23:25 rangi koha-3.8.12.tar.gz
23:25 rangi and the MD5 and sig files etc too
23:25 rangi so you then go
23:26 rangi scp releases/koha-3.10.06.tar.gz*
23:26 rangi actually ill need to make users for you, 2 secs
23:26 bgkriegel was about to ask :)
23:27 tcohen what about signing those packages?
23:27 tcohen and evne the commit?
23:27 rangi feel free to cp your ssh keys up
23:27 tcohen i mean, the tag
23:27 rangi yes the -s will sign it
23:28 rangi it will prompt for you gpg passphrase
23:28 rangi and the roll release will sign the tarballs
23:28 bgkriegel got it
23:29 rangi and dont worry theres nothing you can do ,that i cant undo :-)
23:29 rangi except sending out the release announcement that is :)
23:29 rangi so if you make a mistake lemme know and we can fix it up
23:29 bgkriegel good :-)
23:30 tcohen ok, in
23:30 tcohen good to know rangi
23:31 rangi the next thing you might want to do is ping eythian when you are ready
23:31 rangi and he can make new .deb
23:32 rangi then you can do an announce when they are ready, or you can announce and say .deb will follow soon
23:32 rangi depends on if he has time or not
23:32 rangi but the announcement is the last thing
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23:32 rangi how i do it
23:32 tcohen anything special about including the latest translations?
23:32 rangi nope just merge them in
23:33 tcohen is there a commit message for that?
23:33 rangi i cut and paste the release notes from gitweb
23:33 rangi normally the TM does something like
23:33 rangi 'Translation updates for 3.10.14'
23:33 rangi etc
23:34 tcohen i've never merged from a second external repo
23:34 rangi oh
23:34 rangi git fetch remotename
23:34 rangi git merge remotename/branch
23:34 rangi is how i do it
23:34 cait night all
23:34 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.
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23:34 tcohen night cair
23:35 rangi i go to
23:35 rangi[…]7701a3b7ae01947a3
23:35 rangi then make sure its utf-8
23:36 rangi and cut and paste into an email, and into a post on
23:36 rangi with some other words at the top :)
23:36 tcohen yes :-D
23:37 bgkriegel tcohen: time to update your notes :-)
23:38 tcohen indeed
23:38 tcohen was about to do it
23:38 wizzyrea suppressing on order records from the opac, I know people have done it
23:38 wizzyrea does anyone have a strategy?
23:38 bgkriegel thank you rangi :)
23:38 tcohen thanks rangi
23:39 rangi no worries
23:41 tcohen rangi, where should we host a translations repo?
23:43 rangi there is one set up for you already
23:43 rangi[…]ons.git;a=summary
23:43 rangi lemme just give bgkriegel push rights to that
23:44 bgkriegel ok
23:44 rangi this is for a fresh repo that only has the .po files eh?
23:45 rangi done
23:45 rangi you should be able to push to that repo now
23:45 bgkriegel same structure as in pootle?
23:45 rangi that would make sense to me
23:46 rangi then you could cron pootle to push to it nightly
23:46 rangi for backup purposes
23:46 bgkriegel ok :)
23:46 drojf rangi: is that talk something that you enjoy giving each time or should i put that somewhere else than my own wiki? :)
23:47 drojf (i copied it for me to read so i maybe understand what you were talking about when i am awake;(
23:47 dcook joined #koha
23:47 drojf ;)
23:48 tcohen release maintenance?
23:48 wahanui i think release maintenance is[…]lease_maintenance
23:48 tcohen ^^^ it will be there when you're awake
23:48 drojf alright :D
23:49 eythian wahanui: startup is
23:49 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:50 * tcohen goes to try the merge thing, which is still not sure he understands
23:51 BobB hey rangi, hey eythian, you guys got hammered overnight
23:52 BobB we hope everyone is OK?
23:52 eythian we did a fair bit
23:52 BobB shades of '68
23:52 eythian yeah, kathryn is stuck, no roads, ferries, or power out her way. But that's the worst of it from us.
23:52 eythian BobB: apparently higher winds than in 68
23:52 wizzyrea[…]24494_600x400.jpg < one of the train lines
23:52 BobB Well, great news that everyoone is safe.
23:53 BobB I was in Wellington first time in 1971, and iirc, Wahine was stilll lying in the mouth of Wellington Harbour
23:54 eythian we did have a (big) ferry break loose from its mooring, but they managed to park it safely in the harbour.
23:54 plur joined #koha
23:54 BobB I can't imagine 200km winds; hope your roofs are still on
23:54 wizzyrea oh good they did get it tied down
23:54 wizzyrea last I heard it was adrift
23:54 eythian wizzyrea: yeah, anchored and attached to a tug I think
23:55 wizzyrea it would have been... interesting to see that
23:55 wizzyrea and wow the people who worked on that are brave.
23:56 BobB Well, take care all.
23:58 bag heya BobB
23:58 BobB hi bag!
23:59 bag oh yeah BobB - we submitted the external search thing that I showed you -[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486
23:59 huginn Bug 10486: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
23:59 BobB Wow, very cool!

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