| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
|
bag |
yeah |
| 00:00 |
|
bag |
pianohacker++ |
| 00:01 |
|
BobB |
that is such a step forward for Koha, it plugs one of the big gaps |
| 00:02 |
|
tcohen |
good night #koha |
| 00:04 |
|
dcook |
bag: That does sound rather interesting! |
| 00:05 |
|
dcook |
When I first read the title, I wasn't sure what you would use it for, but that could be rather handy for ILL... |
| 00:05 |
|
dcook |
Are there other scenarios that you have in mind? |
| 00:07 |
|
BobB |
federated search, dcook, eventually |
| 00:08 |
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dcook |
BobB: Federated search is a funny term though. It seems to me that can mean a few things. |
| 00:08 |
|
dcook |
In a way, this would be a federated search, because you're searching multiple targets at once (although the results aren't being de-duplicated/aggregated) |
| 00:09 |
|
dcook |
But even if the results were de-duplicated/aggregated...wouldn't it only be useful insofar as users are able to actually get access to those items? |
| 00:09 |
|
dcook |
i.e. ILL |
| 00:09 |
|
dcook |
Err "e.g. ILL" |
| 00:09 |
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rangi |
lots of libraries have recirpocal borrowing |
| 00:09 |
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rangi |
not ILL |
| 00:09 |
|
rangi |
but you live on the border of the districts |
| 00:09 |
|
rangi |
you could drive to either library |
| 00:09 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I've lived in a few places with reciprocal borrowing |
| 00:10 |
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rangi |
be nice to be able to search both from either catalogue |
| 00:10 |
|
dcook |
I suppose I put that under the category of ILL still :p |
| 00:10 |
|
dcook |
But I suppose strictly speaking it's not |
| 00:10 |
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rangi |
ILL usually sucks |
| 00:10 |
|
rangi |
reciprocal borrowing doesnt :-) |
| 00:10 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 00:10 |
|
dcook |
Reciprocal borrowing is pretty good |
| 00:10 |
|
* dcook |
ponders |
| 00:11 |
|
bag |
dcook: you can also write connectors into pay-for databases - IE ebsco etc… |
| 00:11 |
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dcook |
bag: So it's going on the same idea as that Overdrive patch, eh? |
| 00:11 |
|
bag |
so you could search local libraries (maybe eventually leading to a ILL module with NCIP) and you could also search databases |
| 00:11 |
|
bag |
dcook: it uses the same idea as overdrive |
| 00:11 |
|
bag |
just much broader :) |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
Totes |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
It might be worth mentioning some of these use cases in the bug/commit message |
| 00:12 |
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bag |
yeah I'm assuming a wiki page will be an eventual landing spot :) |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
rangi: I suppose for reciprocal borrowing...this would provide a level of discovery and then you'd have to log into that system's ILS to place the hold |
| 00:13 |
|
dcook |
bag++ |
| 00:13 |
|
dcook |
pianohacker++ |
| 00:13 |
|
bag |
with NCIP you hopefully would only have to log into Koha :) |
| 00:13 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
That would be pretty great :) |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, here's one I've never done before |
| 00:14 |
|
dcook |
Koha++ |
| 00:14 |
|
bag |
Koha++ |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
I was thinking this morning about how glad I am to be a part of a project like this. |
| 00:15 |
|
bag |
dcook++ |
| 00:15 |
|
bag |
I think that everyday :D |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
I suppose I do every day too, but this was a renewed burst of warm fuzzies |
| 00:16 |
|
bag |
wait until you return from Kohacon |
| 00:16 |
|
bag |
you'll have enjoy energy to fly home yourself skipping the plane |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
The community seems to have such a healthy vitality as well. Koha really does help open the future for libraries. |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
lol |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
Air Canada has decent in-flight movies though... |
| 00:17 |
|
bag |
well hopefully we continue to stay a step ahead :) |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
:) |
| 00:19 |
|
BobB |
:) |
| 00:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
@quote add <dcook> The community seems to have such a healthy vitality as well. Koha really does help open the future for libraries. |
| 00:21 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #262 added. |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
| 00:21 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #106: "<jwagner> Bah, humbug" (added by druthb at 01:31 PM, November 29, 2010) |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
| 00:21 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES" (added by wizzyrea at 08:54 PM, June 08, 2011) |
| 00:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
^ love that one |
| 00:23 |
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dcook |
wb drojf |
| 00:24 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 00:25 |
|
dcook |
Whoa...apparently there is an "English" stackoverflow: http://english.stackexchange.c[…]with-the-letter-s |
| 00:25 |
|
dcook |
Wait...that's stackexchange |
| 00:25 |
|
dcook |
Must be Friday |
| 00:29 |
|
bag |
dcook: it's Thursday |
| 00:29 |
|
dcook |
So what you're saying is...in Australia and New Zealand, Koha is developed in the future |
| 00:29 |
|
dcook |
No wonder it's awesome |
| 00:30 |
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bag |
HA - so true |
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| 00:43 |
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dcook |
It seems like you could say ILSs, ILSes, or...*cringe* ILS's |
| 00:44 |
|
dcook |
I have a degree in English and the more time goes by, the more I feel sympathy for anyone learning English as an additional language |
| 00:44 |
|
dcook |
Such a hodge podge of a language |
| 00:44 |
|
* dcook |
is a bit of a fan of French grammar |
| 00:44 |
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dcook |
I suppose it has its own bizarre, archaic exceptions too though |
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| 01:15 |
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jcamins |
Ooh, do we have new stable releases? Is that what I see in the scrollback? |
| 01:16 |
|
jcamins |
Yay! |
| 01:16 |
|
jcamins |
tcohen++ |
| 01:16 |
|
jcamins |
bgkriegel++ |
| 01:17 |
|
rangi |
http://wheninwellington.tumblr.com/ <-- from wizzyrea |
| 01:18 |
|
bag |
also jcamins in your scrollback http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 |
| 01:18 |
|
huginn |
Bug 10486: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 01:18 |
|
dcook |
rangi: lol |
| 01:18 |
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jcamins |
bag: I already saw that. |
| 01:18 |
|
jcamins |
:) |
| 01:18 |
|
bag |
heh :) |
| 01:25 |
|
cjh |
I will be rolling the 3.8 release tonight, not quite sure about the po files yet though. |
| 01:26 |
|
jcamins |
Probably too late for bgkriegel. |
| 01:27 |
|
cjh |
we spoke about sending the patches via email earlier, but AFAIK I havent received them. |
| 01:28 |
|
* cjh |
flicks off an email |
| 01:43 |
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| 01:44 |
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bgkriegel |
cjh? |
| 01:44 |
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wahanui |
cjh is, like, just finishing off a report on the remaining issues with plack, which should help finish that work off |
| 01:44 |
|
cjh |
bgkriegel: hey :) |
| 01:44 |
|
bgkriegel |
hi :) |
| 01:44 |
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cjh |
wahanui: forget cjh |
| 01:44 |
|
wahanui |
cjh: I forgot cjh |
| 01:45 |
|
cjh |
bgkriegel: was just writing a reply :) |
| 01:45 |
|
bgkriegel |
Ah ok |
| 01:45 |
|
bgkriegel |
we have some time yet |
| 01:45 |
|
cjh |
so I will do the release tomorrow, hopefully at a similar time to you and tcohen :) |
| 01:45 |
|
cjh |
so I can follow your excellent lead ;) |
| 01:46 |
|
bgkriegel |
ok :) we can exchange some mails to agree on the right time |
| 01:47 |
|
cjh |
awesome, you can pick a time/timezone and as long as I am awake I should be able to follow :) |
| 01:47 |
|
bgkriegel |
of course :) |
| 01:47 |
|
bgkriegel |
ok, see you |
| 01:48 |
|
cjh |
cheers |
| 01:48 |
|
cjh |
bgkriegel++ |
| 01:48 |
|
jcamins |
cjh, you were.working on Plack? |
| 01:48 |
|
eythian |
http://www.blorpy.com/post/404[…]/libraries-matter |
| 01:52 |
|
cjh |
jcamins: a long time ago, in a country far-far-away. |
| 01:53 |
|
cjh |
a long time ago I wrote a document about some problem areas of plackify-ing koha, recently I did some work on getting plack working with the packages. |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
eythian++ |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
I'm still reading it, but...yep |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
When I went to library school, my entrance essay was all about public libraries |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
This isn't the article I've read before but...http://metronews.ca/news/saska[…]-rural-libraries/ |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
A lot of government folks were (probably still are saying) that everyone has access to computers and internet at home, so why waste money on the public library |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
Public libraries are a tough one. I loved my pubic library in Vancouver. I've gone on and on about it before. I went to it several times a week (at various branches throughout the city), but I never go here in Australia... |
| 02:06 |
|
dcook |
Actually, a librarian I met when I first moved to Sydney really helped me out |
| 02:06 |
|
dcook |
She helped set me up with computer/printer access so that I could print out forms and identification, so that I could apply for an apartment through the real estate. She was amazing ^_^ |
| 02:07 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: google it is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/1n6mH4N.jpg |
| 02:07 |
|
wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 02:26 |
|
wizzyrea |
there are a nontrivial number of people who only get internet through mobile, or not at all |
| 02:26 |
|
wizzyrea |
those people use the library. |
| 02:26 |
|
eythian |
jcamins or someone: when the marc spec says a leader field is #, that means ' ', right? Or is it literal? |
| 02:26 |
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wizzyrea |
there's a general trend to try and forget them |
| 02:26 |
|
wizzyrea |
meanwhile, governments are moving services all online |
| 02:27 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Come again? |
| 02:27 |
|
wizzyrea |
so they're taking away the access, then requiring it |
| 02:27 |
|
dcook |
Oh, I gotcha |
| 02:27 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's a top notch plan. |
| 02:27 |
|
* dcook |
ponders |
| 02:28 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Different systems implement it differently, but generally speaking it's ' ' |
| 02:28 |
|
eythian |
cool |
| 02:28 |
|
dcook |
I believe that's how Koha tends to do it as well |
| 02:28 |
|
wizzyrea |
and not government services for rich people, I'm talking about government services for the less well off, the poor even, like income support |
| 02:28 |
|
dcook |
I think MarcEdit (and other systems) sometimes use "/" instead of ' ' |
| 02:28 |
|
* dcook |
prefers the space |
| 02:28 |
|
eythian |
OK. I'll stick with space then |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea: Exactly |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
Top notch plan to save money |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
Save on overhead, plus make people unable to use the service |
| 02:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
WIN |
| 02:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
er, |
| 02:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
PROFIT |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
My father works for the CRA (Canadian Revenue Agency), and they stopped providing in-person assistance |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
Now, I think you have to call into a call centre |
| 02:30 |
|
dcook |
I once spent HOURS on the phone over a tiny little detail |
| 02:30 |
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wizzyrea |
in inda |
| 02:30 |
|
dcook |
Possibly |
| 02:30 |
|
dcook |
It's really quite sickening |
| 02:30 |
|
dcook |
Also...if you're overseas...you aren't able to file your taxes online |
| 02:31 |
|
dcook |
You can only file your taxes online if you live in Canada |
| 02:31 |
|
dcook |
If you're overseas, you have to mail them in |
| 02:31 |
|
dcook |
Unless you're filing as a resident of Canada (which is silly...because you're a resident for tax purposes in another country) |
| 02:32 |
|
dcook |
Since I did procrastinate a bit...I filed as a resident instead of a non-resident, as I was entitled |
| 02:32 |
|
dcook |
Because otherwise I would've had to mail in my return...which takes a while O_o |
| 02:32 |
|
dcook |
I didn't have to pay anything because I had student tax credits saved up, but...if I didn't...I would've been on the line for like...4-5k |
| 02:33 |
|
dcook |
Tax law for individuals isn't too bad in itself, but tax policies...ugh |
| 02:35 |
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wizzyrea |
same in the states |
| 02:39 |
|
wizzyrea |
no, DD |
| 03:01 |
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rangi |
hey kathryn |
| 03:07 |
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rangi |
nope, nothing you need to do |
| 03:07 |
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cjh |
kathryn: hey :) |
| 03:08 |
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| 03:09 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:10 |
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dcook |
hey kathryn, mtompset |
| 03:10 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, dcook. |
| 03:10 |
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* wizzyrea |
is glad that kathryn is alright |
| 03:17 |
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jcamins |
eythian, right. Space. |
| 03:17 |
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eythian |
ta :) |
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mtompset |
I have a question. |
| 03:24 |
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mtompset |
Let's say I have OpacHiddenItem set to hide a shelving location. |
| 03:24 |
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mtompset |
I search in the staff client and find the 2 items. |
| 03:24 |
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mtompset |
I search in the OPAC and find no items, but the search results says 2. |
| 03:25 |
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mtompset |
Is this a bug? |
| 03:26 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, dcook wizzyrea jcamins eythian. :) |
| 03:27 |
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bag |
I think that could be classified as a bug… |
| 03:28 |
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bag |
search results are different than items :( |
| 03:29 |
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mtompset |
That's what I was thinking, because even though it hasn't leaked the details of the items in question, it has leaked that something really is there. |
| 03:30 |
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bag |
yeah I think that maybe a harder one to solve |
| 03:31 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but it is a bug that I'd be willing to attempt to fix. |
| 03:31 |
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wizzyrea |
be rangi |
| 03:31 |
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wahanui |
There's a bug for that |
| 03:31 |
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wizzyrea |
be rangi |
| 03:31 |
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wahanui |
There's a bug for that |
| 03:32 |
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wizzyrea |
send a patch! |
| 03:32 |
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wizzyrea |
there. |
| 03:38 |
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eythian |
http://adpgtech.blogspot.com.a[…]-on-postgres.html |
| 03:38 |
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kathryn |
oh hello, all the hellos :) wizzyrea whisked me into an involved conversation :) |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
be rangi |
| 03:39 |
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wahanui |
Send a patch! |
| 03:39 |
|
dcook |
Third time's a charm? |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
Glad you're all right, kathryn! Sounds like it's been brutal over there... |
| 03:40 |
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kathryn |
thanks dcook and wizzyrea, I didn't take any exciting pics of the stormyness, but this is a pic from just down from my house http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]atters-Wellington |
| 03:41 |
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kathryn |
oh actually pic 14 at that link hmph |
| 03:41 |
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dcook |
wow... |
| 03:42 |
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kathryn |
anyway, rocks and logs found their way out of the sea and over the road |
| 03:42 |
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dcook |
Looks like...O_O |
| 03:42 |
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eythian |
> A fell tree on Maungaraki Road. |
| 03:42 |
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eythian |
not sure that's the best English there |
| 03:42 |
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eythian |
well, unless it's an evil tree |
| 03:42 |
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eythian |
that'll cause bad luck to everyone |
| 03:42 |
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dcook |
I was about to comment on demon possession... |
| 03:43 |
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kathryn |
hey rangi, cool thanks |
| 03:44 |
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kathryn |
hi cjh :) |
| 03:45 |
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cjh |
glad things are going well on your end :) |
| 03:45 |
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wizzyrea |
the pic of the bus without a windshield is quite... errrrrrrrrrrr |
| 03:45 |
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wizzyrea |
that would have been scary |
| 03:45 |
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cjh |
wont load for me :( |
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mtompset |
Well, it's after midnight, and I think I'm turning back into a pumpkin. |
| 04:03 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :) |
| 04:06 |
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gmcharlt |
and here is my cat's contribution to Koha hacking today: ≈nhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhdffffffffbbbbjfdfn |
| 04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
<3 |
| 04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
your cat is awesome |
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cait |
:) |
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* cait |
waves |
| 04:24 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: how is wellington today? |
| 04:24 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (6:20 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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eythian |
cait: slowly calming down |
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eythian |
I don't think it's actually windy right now |
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cait |
cool |
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eythian |
oh, it's down to ~60kph anyway |
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wizzyrea |
it's not so bad today |
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wizzyrea |
really awful last night... well, no, yea that was awful. |
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kathryn |
hi cait :) |
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kathryn |
eythian I think it has to be more than 60kph here... |
| 04:36 |
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cait |
h kathryn :) |
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eythian |
it's hard to tell around here, it's too directional. |
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dcook |
\o hey Oak |
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Oak |
o/ hello dcook :) |
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* Oak |
waves |
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* cait |
struggles to leave the laptop behind for the weekend |
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dcook |
cait: Isn't it only morning still? |
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cait |
dcook: hm? |
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cait |
ah yeah, i have an exam for my distance study today, so off work :) |
| 05:25 |
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dcook |
Ahhh |
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dcook |
Good luck with the exam! |
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* dcook |
thinks it might be time to grab some lunch... |
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cait |
enjoy your lunch |
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dcook |
Yeah, I think it's going to be one of those things where I say I'm going to go grab food but I don't for another 30-60 minutes :p |
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dcook |
If only jcamins delivered through a wormhole... |
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Oak |
good luck with the exam cait. keep calm :) |
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cait |
thx Oak |
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WaylonR |
hiya all, how do i get Koha to use a zebra server via tcp thats on another computer? |
| 05:51 |
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WaylonR |
both authorities and biblios... for some reason, zebra doesn't work on the server koha is on.. but on another install it does.. I believe its the same config. yes, I reindexed.. and it segfaults partway through the reindexing. |
| 05:52 |
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WaylonR |
but yaz-client is able, via tcp, to access the other servers zebra server. |
| 05:52 |
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dcook |
WaylonR: I'm a bit busy at the moment, but have you looked at the permissions? |
| 05:52 |
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dcook |
Consider pasting your error message here using paste.koha-community.org |
| 05:53 |
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dcook |
http://koha-community.org/faqs[…]ch-stuff-up-help/ |
| 05:53 |
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dcook |
That's also useful |
| 05:54 |
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dcook |
Also, I think that there should be some information about using tcp rather than unix sockets in the actual koha-conf.xml |
| 05:54 |
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dcook |
But I would suggest trying to resolve the actual problem before resorting to a workaround :) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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salut reiveune :) |
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top of the morning, paul_p |
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salut dcook |
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hi ! |
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dcook |
hey ya matts :) |
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... can't help if the server i wanted to run zebra on.. is offline.. gah. |
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WaylonR: That would certainly put a damper on things ;) |
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Time for me to head off. Good day, all. |
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@wunder munich |
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cait: Error: timed out |
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@wunder muenchen |
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cait: The current temperature in Muenchen, Flughafen, Germany is 18.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
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cait-m: Error: No such location could be found. |
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@wunder münchen |
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cait-m: Error: No such location could be found. |
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@wunder muenchen |
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cait-m: The current temperature in Berglern, Mitterlern, Germany is 20.5°C (11:39 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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hi #koha |
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@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #196: "oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." (added by wizzyrea at 04:41 PM, April 02, 2012) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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gmcharlt |
hi mtompset |
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mtompset |
Greetings, gmcharlt. |
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mtompset |
Well, just lost a couple days worth of work. Thankfully, most of the work was thinking, so recoding shouldn't be too much of a problem. |
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gmcharlt |
server/VM crash? |
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mtompset |
git mess up. |
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gmcharlt |
ah |
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mtompset |
Are MySQL strings 0-based or 1-based? |
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mtompset |
substr(blah,0,1) is first digit or ,1,1? |
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gmcharlt |
1-based |
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rhcl |
@seen jcamins |
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huginn |
rhcl: jcamins was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 1 minute, and 14 seconds ago: <jcamins> eythian, right. Space. |
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* jcamins |
waves. |
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mtompset |
jcamins: You were awfully still for 11 hours. ;) |
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mtompset |
Greeetings, gmcharlt jcamins rhcl. :) |
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gmcharlt |
who allowed jcamins to actually sleep? we've got to correct this problem! |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: I wasn't sleeping, I was just being bibliographic on other channels. :P |
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mtompset |
Oh my! Have you been cheating on us? ;) |
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gmcharlt |
@quote add <jcamins> I wasn't sleeping, I was just being bibliographic on other channels. :P |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #263 added. |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. |
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mtompset |
I was noticing that OpacHiddenItems works well, and that the staff client still sees hidden items and the OPAC does not. I was wondering if a OpacHiddenItemsOverride system preference Yes/No that should check if the user has 'view catalogue' and 'staff client' permissions to show the hidden things in the OPAC is an okay idea. |
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tcohen |
bug 9890 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9890 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Fix the new plugin system for package installs |
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tcohen |
magnus_away: would you take a look at 9890? |
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rhcl |
hi mtompset |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1266 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10334: remove t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b4cec2aa825dd949d> |
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riba |
o/ |
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riba |
I wanted to comment on http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 but didn't find a way without creating yet another account |
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huginn |
Bug 8798: enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class |
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ribasushi |
wtf.. |
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ribasushi |
anyway - is any of the bug participants around? |
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jcamins |
ribasushi: I think gmcharlt, khall, and paul_p have been discussing that recently. |
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paul_p |
ribasushi yes, I'm here |
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ribasushi |
hi |
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paul_p |
hi ribasushi |
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gmcharlt |
hi ribasushi |
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ribasushi |
paul_p: I am the current-long-standing DBIC maint |
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ribasushi |
I am excited you guys are migrating DBIC wholesale - I need more such success stories to brag about ;D |
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ribasushi |
I looked over some of the diffs and there's one thing that jumped at me as very wrong |
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paul_p |
ribasushi well, we've got the decision, some nice hackers, what we lack is time (or money, but that's almost the same thing : I could dedicate 2 FTE to this task if I had enough money...) |
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paul_p |
ribasushi which mistake ? |
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ribasushi |
you have set (in many places) ... |
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ribasushi |
I am looking for it, lost the diff... |
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ribasushi |
$ENV{'DBIC_DONT_VALIDATE_RELS'} <- you set this all over the place |
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ribasushi |
it was introduced as a backcompat measure for folks with broken preexisting schema definitions |
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ribasushi |
in *new code* this is a sign of a latent data eater |
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ribasushi |
you need to resolve the cause of this (whatever it may actually be) before "going public" with a call for conversions |
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gmcharlt |
ribasushi: we were figuring that corrections to the schema were needed anyway |
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gmcharlt |
but could you expand on what you mean by "latent data eater"? |
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ribasushi |
the presence of this warning implies an incorrectly set metadata on the source in question |
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ribasushi |
most likely the "direction" of the relationship is reversed |
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ribasushi |
the higher the DBIC version - the more I rely on the correctness of such metadata to make informed decisions on the SQL I generate |
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ribasushi |
for instance an incorrect relationship direction may end up in a cascaded delete going in a way that you never anticipated |
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ribasushi |
or an entire JOIN being dropped away because DBIC can "prove" (based on the erroneous metadata) that it does not need it |
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gmcharlt |
gah |
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gmcharlt |
thanks for the warning |
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ribasushi |
because this stuff happens deep in the guts the consequences may compound to something I can't currently think of |
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paul_p |
ribasushi = am I right if I say "adding this will hide any error in your schema, and that's a bad idea, better fixing the schema" ? |
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ribasushi |
on the other hand - I *never* rely on metadata blindly, unless I can provide a reasonable (and timely) warning way in advance "hey your schema metadata makes no sense!" |
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ribasushi |
gmcharlt: so I am not taking the risk lightly, but there is only so much I can do ;) |
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ribasushi |
paul_p: "any error" is a tad strong, "a number of errors" would be more correct |
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ribasushi |
paul_p: also s/better fixing/we have to fix/ |
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gmcharlt |
ribasushi: well, we'll take that out of the patch and exercise it more |
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ribasushi |
I am sadly not much around IRC lately (life happens etc) |
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ribasushi |
but I am always available with a reasonable turnaround at ribasushi cpan.org |
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ribasushi |
so feel free to contact me if more issues arise |
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ribasushi |
gmcharlt: ^^ |
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ribasushi |
paul_p: ^^ |
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gmcharlt |
great -- and thanks for taking the time to look it over |
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paul_p |
ribasushi we'll probably ask for some hints later ;-) |
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gmcharlt |
ribasushi: do you have any objections to my pasting this conversation into the bug report? (the channel is logged anyway, to be clear) |
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ribasushi |
gmcharlt: not at all |
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gmcharlt |
thanks |
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ribasushi |
gmcharlt: I'd also grp for other ENV overrides |
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ribasushi |
in case I missed something (it's a lot of code ;) |
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ribasushi |
*grep |
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ribasushi |
in any case - I happen to see @KohaBugs updates (I look for q{DBIx} on twitter wholesale :) so when the schema is deemed "final-ish" I will look in more details again |
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ribasushi |
may pop up with more "OH NOES" later on ;) |
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gmcharlt |
ribasushi++ |
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ribasushi |
and now I have to run & |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1266: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1266/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Jonathan Druart: Bug 10334: remove t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* tests |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10334 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , UT: t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* are unusable |
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gaetan_B |
bye |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: hey, any chance you could ask Marlene if WA has any sort of barcode prefix registry? |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: sure, I'll ask |
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jcamins |
Thanks! |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: What are you working on? |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I want to make a definitive list of what states have their own barcode prefix registries. |
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jcamins |
Enough of this uncertainty about whether you should just use your own ZIP code or... |
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pianohacker |
huh. interesting. has colorado popped up on there by any chance? |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I e-mailed someone at the national library and haven't gotten a response. |
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jcamins |
Hey... |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: any chance you could find out if Colorado has a state-wide barcode prefix registry? |
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jcamins |
:D |
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pianohacker |
hahahaha |
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pianohacker |
Yeah, lots of librarians on Facebook. I'd be happy to |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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jcamins |
Huh. Facebook. |
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wahanui |
facebook is *not* a universal authenticator! |
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jcamins |
Never thought of using social media for this. |
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jcamins |
(and no, that was not an ironic statement) |
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druthb |
wahanui: botsnack pretzel |
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wahanui |
thanks druthb :) |
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druthb |
hm. |
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druthb |
wahanui: botsnack my overly-long to-do list. |
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wahanui |
thanks druthb :) |
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druthb |
no, thank you. :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb pianohacker. |
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druthb |
Hi, mtompset! :D |
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pianohacker |
hallo |
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mtompset |
Co-ordinating cross country meetings is a pain! |
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mtompset |
LA, Toronto, Dublin, Manila. |
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jcamins |
What time is it in Manila now? |
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mtompset |
1:23am |
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druthb |
oooh…that would be tough. Dublin and Manila are just about as far apart as you can get. |
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mtompset |
not really. |
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mtompset |
-3,0,+5,+12 -- 0 = EST :) |
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druthb |
The antipode of Ireland is somewhere south of NZ, in a cold, cold ocean….the antipode of Manila is in western Brazil. |
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mtompset |
It's the combination of the timezones that is bad... remove a location, and things go much better. |
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discovers that the anitpode of most of the continental US is in the southern Indian Ocan. |
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* druthb |
tries again to type "Ocean." |
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gmcharlt |
ocan you? |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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* druthb |
chucks Skittles at gmcharlt. |
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mtompset |
Make sure they are licked, so they are more likely to stick. :P |
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druthb |
ewwwww |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: quick! Apply some http://news.cnet.com/8301-1793[…]o-coat-your-gear/ |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins++ |
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jcamins |
"None shall stick. Noooonnneee shall stick." |
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* druthb |
could move to Cordoba, stay with tcohen, and start digging a hole all the way to China…and actually have China on the other end of the hole. Fun playing with http://www.freemaptools.com/tu[…]-of-the-earth.htm |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... if the chances of generating a duplicate are now known at 10^28 roughly. Is that small enough? |
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jcamins |
Depends how you were able to determine that number. |
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mtompset |
my process, that doesn't lock, generates a random string. |
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mtompset |
It is 16 characters long and each character is 1 of 62 characters (a-z,A-Z,0-9). |
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mtompset |
If the random string is identical in the case that two process are running, a duplicate will be generated. |
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jcamins |
Personally, I would say that is not a sufficiently sound algorithm, and that you should be using something that is guaranteed unique by its nature if you're not using any meaningful barcode number generator. |
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jcamins |
But if you're determined that it has to be generated and not derived, I don't imagine anyone will come up with a better solution. |
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jcamins |
(short of actually fixing the generator) |
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mtompset |
OH! I have an idea! |
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mtompset |
Derived may be possible. |
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mtompset |
$$ |
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mtompset |
The process ID for two processes calling the same function will be different, correct? |
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jcamins |
Yes, but are you sure you don't have something else derivably unique? |
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tcohen |
r u trying t generate unique ids for item barcodes mtompset? (sorry, got late int the chat) |
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mtompset |
No... the problem is with cardnumbers. |
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jcamins |
Like, say, the user identifier and the SAML domain, or whatever the equivalents are with SAML? |
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tcohen |
oh, we use the national id number for that |
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mtompset |
I don't think the user id would be unique, necessarily... some library branch beyond my control could log in as a the same user twice. |
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jcamins |
I do not see how that is possible without causing breakage anyway. |
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mtompset |
tcohen: that would be a privacy issue on other countries. |
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mtompset |
jcamins: if stupid is possible. it will be done. |
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jcamins |
Yes, but your system will have broken anyway by the time you get to generating the barcode, so who cares? |
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jcamins |
You are creating a new user based on the SAML login, right? |
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jcamins |
You will have a duplicate key error when you try to create the second user thanks to the user name. |
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mtompset |
Yes, but the function fixup_cardnumber is not just called by my SAML code. |
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mtompset |
There are other screens and methods of calling it. |
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mtompset |
I like adding the process id ($$) into the string. |
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jcamins |
I do not. |
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jcamins |
I did not realize that you were trying to change the way Koha generates card numbers. |
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jcamins |
Libraries depend on those numbers incrementing. |
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mtompset |
I'm trying to FIX... |
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druthb |
PIDs are *way* more repeatable than 16-digiters. |
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mtompset |
this is for LOCKING without locking. |
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mtompset |
this number is only in my new cardnumber_sequence table. |
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mtompset |
I'm not changing the algorithm for cardnumber generation. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: okay. |
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jcamins |
In that case, I have no objection. |
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mtompset |
druthb... yes, but are they repeatable in a matter of seconds? |
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mtompset |
if not... then even if the random string portion is identical in a matter of seconds, the $$ portion of it shouldn't be. |
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jcamins |
They are, yes. |
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druthb |
mm.. yeah. |
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jcamins |
With Plack, every single request may have the same pid. |
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mtompset |
mmm.... that sucks. |
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mtompset |
is there a millisecond timer I can grab somehow? |
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mtompset |
because the milliseconds between two string generations should differ. |
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jcamins |
Time::Hires. |
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jcamins |
Or something like that. |
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mtompset |
Okay... thinking more hypothetical.... |
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mtompset |
a dual processor machine.... calls the function in both processors at the same time. |
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tcohen |
use /dev/random mtompset |
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mtompset |
I'm currently using String::Random. |
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druthb |
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding |
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* tcohen |
and florencio are following the thread http://snag.gy/KXUqX.jpg |
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druthb |
kitteh! |
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mtompset |
Nice... bug 10478 got me added to CC. :P |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do we need a sequential number generator? |
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mtompset |
my problem is, will LAST_INSERT_ID be the last id for process 1 or process 2. |
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mtompset |
This is why I'm working with the generate/derive id for a string identifier. |
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mtompset |
also, last_insert_id is very much MySQL. :) |
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mtompset |
SPLIT! |
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mtompset |
Is everyone back (or front)? |
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* Dyrcona |
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mtompset |
okay... more thinking about generating/deriving a unique string. |
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mtompset |
the time stamp part could only duplicate if running on different processors. |
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mtompset |
(as far as I can reason) |
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mtompset |
the random string at the front can only duplicate 1 in 62^16. |
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mtompset |
I realized the session id might be useful, so that should be a 32 character uniqueness there, but not necessarily as someone might have multiple tabs on the same domain. |
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druthb |
That's a much lower chance than the odds of you dying by asteroid collision, so you've probably got something workable there. |
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mtompset |
and if for some reason there is no session id, I generate a random string 32 characters long (1 in 62^32 chances) |
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* druthb |
can't type, has the sleepy |
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mtompset |
Are you sure? |
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mtompset |
Wow... I have gotten it far, far lower. |
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druthb |
If you've spent more than an hour thinking on this--you're overthinking the problem, I suspect. |
