IRC log for #koha, 2013-06-19

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00:00 dcook gmcharlt: I was rather puzzled when I first got here and they had mystery plants :p
00:00 jcamins You know what I had trouble with?
00:00 jcamins Courgettes.
00:00 jcamins Ooh!
00:00 jcamins She's here with escarole!
00:00 * jcamins leaves to make saag.
00:01 gmcharlt jcamins: ah!  the solution to the Midwest's zucchini crisis!
00:01 eythian I just have a rogan josh ordered, because wednesday is curry day
00:01 gmcharlt swap it for a courgette crisis!
00:01 eythian or a corvette crisis?
00:01 dcook I suppose you know you're a nerd when you think of Star Wars before Chevy or the Navy when you hear "corvette"
00:02 * dcook thinks that he might have to take up this wednesday curry day idea
00:03 jcamins dcook: hehe.
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00:49 dcook jcamins: You know that example in your git where you show how to add a new index to Zebra? Do you have that handy?
00:49 dcook hey ya BobB and libsysguy :)
00:49 libsysguy hey dcook
00:49 dcook jcamins: Nvm. I think I found it.
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01:06 dcook Hey Irma :)
01:07 Irma hi dcook how r U?
01:08 dcook Mmm not too bad. Plugging away like usual. How about you? Back in Oz or still in the US?
01:08 jcamins dcook: what are you indexing?
01:08 dcook jcamins: I was looking at the email from Kenan about why his 090 wasn't showing up, and I figured it was relating to indexing, but then I started doubting myself
01:08 jcamins Nope. Nothing to do with indexing.
01:09 dcook Yeah, that's what I realized eventually.
01:09 Irma back again after a very interesting business & family trip.
01:09 jcamins Everything to do with the fact that 090 is a bib-level classification, and what he wants is items.
01:09 dcook Because the whole record is being retrieved. It's not that he's looking for the 090 specifically
01:09 dcook Irma: Interesting sounds...interesting. I hear you guys had a good time with bag :)
01:10 dcook jcamins: Mmm, I follow you now. Because it prints out the item call number on the side...but just for the items.
01:10 dcook Drrr. Of course.
01:10 dcook I am a bit surprised that Koha doesn't index 090 by default thouhg
01:10 dcook though*
01:10 Irma dcook, indeed.
01:10 dcook I suppose there's no reason it would though
01:10 jcamins dcook: yeah, that is a bit odd.
01:11 dcook jcamins: Up for another zebra question which is unrelated to 090?
01:11 jcamins Sure.
01:11 dcook I'm looking at how search results come up when you click on a tag in a tag cloud...
01:11 dcook And it looks like the results are pulled using...*goes to pastebot*
01:11 * jcamins throws salt over his shoulder.
01:12 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "tag results" (14 lines) at
01:12 dcook I...
01:12 jcamins Yes.
01:12 jcamins The comments are absolutely correct.
01:12 dcook Wait, that has nothing to do with Zebra
01:12 dcook It's just pulling them from the database
01:12 jcamins Right, wasn't that the question?
01:13 dcook Nope, just my brain being crazy
01:13 jcamins Oh.
01:13 dcook For some reason, I thought it was getting records FROM {biblioserver}->{RECORDS}
01:13 * jcamins heard "Why does it look like Zebra is not used at all?"
01:13 dcook Not putting them into it
01:13 jcamins Because that's a good question.
01:13 jcamins A very good question.
01:14 dcook Indeed.
01:16 dcook Mind you, I don't know why you'd need to use Zebra if you're just retrieving records based on a tag
01:16 jcamins Because it'd be nice to be able to do an actual search?
01:16 dcook But if you're clicking a tag on a tag cloud, why would you need to run an actual query?
01:17 jcamins You wouldn't, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to search?
01:17 dcook It would probably be nice if your search included tags..
01:18 dcook Also just the way things are set up...if you change the sort order of your results, it runs the query and ignores the tags...which is a thing
01:18 jcamins Yup.
01:18 dcook Alas, my main issue is with how the tag results were sorting, and now after realizing it's pulling them from the DB...I realize it's sorting by bib number
01:19 dcook not going to be fun to try to sort these..
01:20 * jcamins has a suggestion.
01:20 * dcook is all ears.
01:20 jcamins Use Koha::RecordProcessor.
01:20 dcook Hmm
01:20 jcamins Create Koha::Filter::MARC::Tags
01:20 dcook We're on 3.8. How much backporting would be required/what does it do?
01:21 jcamins Ummm...
01:21 jcamins Neve rmind.
01:21 jcamins *Never mind
01:21 dcook hehe
01:21 dcook Is that 3.10 or 3.12?
01:21 jcamins 3.10+
01:21 eythian use it as an excuse to upgrade?
01:21 jcamins eythian++ # YES!
01:22 dcook eythian: I wish ;)
01:22 jcamins Talk about technical debt until the librarians think that they'll have to pay more if they don't upgrade.
01:22 jcamins Win.
01:22 dcook Well, to be honest, it's getting to that point
01:23 dcook If changes are required for a version older than 3.8, it's not really in anyone's best interest to do that change
01:23 dcook As for 3.8...I still have a list of changes to port over to the community codebase...
01:23 * dcook wishes he could clone himself or time travel or just have another 24 hours per day
01:24 jcamins You have patches developed on 3.8?
01:24 dcook Patches developed on 3.2
01:24 jcamins Ah. That's what I thought.
01:25 dcook Then moved over to 3.8 (some made their way to master but some are still on my To Do list)
01:25 jcamins Ah-ha.
01:25 dcook Still about 30-40 to move from 3.2 to 3.8 potentially...
01:25 dcook Quite a bit down from the 200+ of last year...
01:25 jcamins Well done!
01:25 jcamins dcook++
01:27 rangi w
01:27 rangi heh
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01:30 dcook Thanks, jcamins :)
01:30 dcook I hope one day to be relatively in line with the community
01:30 dcook At least everything new gets developed on master ^_^
01:30 jcamins :)
01:31 dcook Well, maybe not everything. Everything that is more than a local customization.
01:31 dcook Although anything to avoid those..
01:32 eythian wahanui: dcook is currently out of line.
01:32 wahanui ...but dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client...
01:32 eythian wahanui: dcook is also currently out of line.
01:32 wahanui okay, eythian.
01:33 dcook hehe
01:33 dcook At least I'm not out of order
01:33 dcook Wait...that is exactly the problem right now..
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01:38 dcook @karma dcook
01:38 huginn dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 23 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 23.
01:38 dcook Yay. I done good.
01:38 jcamins Nice!
01:44 jcamins @karma jcamins
01:44 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 601 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 599.
01:45 dcook Very nice!
01:45 jcamins Wow. That's a lot of karma.
01:45 jcamins @karma
01:45 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (832), "oleonard" (717), and "jcamins" (599).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-94).  You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2537.
01:45 jcamins Unfortunately, with oleonard working on a new OPAC theme, it seems unlikely that I'll have a chance to catch up.
01:45 dcook hehe
01:45 dcook I don't know about that. I wouldn't be where I am if it weren't for you (and rangi)
01:46 dcook @karma
01:46 huginn dcook: Highest karma: "rangi" (832), "oleonard" (717), and "jcamins" (599).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-94).  You (dcook) are ranked 52 out of 2537.
01:46 dcook Wow...52 isn't too shabby
01:46 jcamins rangi: some of Catalyst's libraries have their own translations, right? How do you handle the translating?
01:48 eythian jcamins: at the moment, terribly
01:48 eythian actually, it depends
01:48 eythian if it's to customise the HTML, it has to be reapplied by hand
01:48 gmcharlt eythian: speaking of translations -- woudl it be reasonable to  package them?
01:48 eythian if it's to customise the language, then just like anything else.
01:48 eythian gmcharlt: yes
01:49 eythian there's a bug around for this
01:49 eythian I really really need to get back into it
01:49 jcamins eythian: what I'm thinking about is the "my library wants to change 'cart' to 'binder' (or whatever)" situation.
01:50 eythian oh right
01:50 eythian that's pretty easy
01:50 jcamins Right now Mr. Lazy over here just says "you know what, I don't want to set up a system," and makes the change.
01:50 gmcharlt !build 'Koha_master'
01:50 jcamins But that's absolutely not the right way to do it.
01:51 eythian jcamins: I think you can just take the .po, modify it and rename it as its own language, and away you go.
01:51 jcamins Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
01:51 rangi !jenkins build koha_master
01:51 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled with a quiet period of 5 seconds
01:51 jcamins But the right way to do it is to have a system in place so that librarians can actually modify the "translation" themselves.
01:52 eythian ah yeah
01:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1262 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1253 1 day 5 hr ago)
01:52 jcamins (and then install it manually)
01:52 gmcharlt rangi: thanks
01:52 dcook jcamins++
01:52 eythian we've been thinking about doing that, but I don't think we actually have it.
01:52 dcook I've been thinking about this recently too. I think it's just a plain good idea in terms of overall usability and information system design.
01:53 gmcharlt rangi: it was failing that last XISBN test case because of a couple syspref settings in the master database
01:53 rangi ahhh
01:53 dcook Giving people the ability to modify labels for their particular users and information needs..
01:53 jcamins gmcharlt: XISBN fails around midnight.
01:53 gmcharlt SyndeticsEditiosn was on, and the OCLC affililate ID was bad
01:53 jcamins Wait, no.
01:53 jcamins Quotes fails around midnight.
01:53 jcamins Sorry.
01:53 jcamins Got confused.
01:53 gmcharlt runs fine with no OCLC affiliate ID, which was why it was working just fine for me locally
01:57 rangi ahh right that makes sense
02:20 dcook jcamins: Was able to modify the get_tags sub slightly to allow sorting tags by title :)
02:20 jcamins Well done!
02:21 dcook Sure beats trying to do some whacky stuff to try to sort the marc O_o
02:24 dcook P.S. thanks ^_^
02:24 dcook Oh no...phantom phone vibrations...
02:24 dcook It must be wednesday..
02:51 gmcharlt @quote random
02:51 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 05:56 AM, October 08, 2010)
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03:00 zebran00b 'O
03:00 zebran00b veoops
03:00 zebran00b heh
03:00 zebran00b need more coffee, brb
03:03 zebran00b I've set the layout, template and profile in Koha 3.12 label creator, and CSV and XML export fine, but PDF export is blank. Is there a PDF creation package I need to have?
03:06 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
03:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1262: FIXED in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1262/
03:16 eythian so marc8_to_utf8 seems to have stopped working properly for me when I upgraded ubuntu :/
03:23 wizzyrea ohno
03:23 eythian or it might be fixlatin actually
03:23 eythian I'm not sure
03:25 * dcook wonders how anyone ever finds the digital radio program they actually want
03:25 dcook The ABC says that "X program" is on right now, but doesn't give you an actual link to listen
03:26 eythian > ch. 5. Te Reo M\x{101}ori -- ch. 6. When the Crown controls Matauranga Ma\x{cc}\x{84}ori
03:26 eythian oh hey, two encodings, one entry in a record.
03:26 eythian that's so really helpful.
03:36 eythian OK, I think I have finally convinced this to work.
03:36 eythian although there are a lot of warnings saying it won't work, and then it does.
03:37 dcook eythian: Turns out...they don't stream that program online
03:37 dcook It's "statewide" but they don't stream it online O_o
03:37 eythian heh
03:37 dcook And it's only broadcast to certain parts of the state
03:37 dcook So not including Sydney
03:38 dcook Or Newcastle, I think
03:38 dcook I wonder if that "madder scheme" should be expanded to include radio stations...
04:08 dcook Found a station where I can tune in if I put my phone (which has an FM receiver) next to the window ^_^
04:08 dcook I guess it's a good thing that I'm in the middle/south part of the city.
04:08 * dcook pops out for lunch
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04:20 wj How to translate?
04:21 wj Hello, could anyone please tell me the place where can I translate software strings?
04:21 * wj slaps rangi around a bit with a large fishbot
04:21 eythian wahanui: translations
04:21 wahanui it has been said that translations is
04:22 wj wahani, my language isn't there
04:22 wj how to add it?
04:22 wj I want to do translations on Sinhala (Sri Lanka)
04:23 eythian I'd suggest asking on the koha mailing list, you probably need the translation manager to set up a new language.
04:23 wj how?
04:23 eythian wahanui: mailing lists
04:23 wahanui mailing lists are[…]ha-mailing-lists/
04:24 wj ok, thanks
04:24 wj thanks, eythian
04:24 eythian np
04:24 wj wahanui: translations
04:24 wahanui rumour has it translations is
04:25 wj lol, it's a bot :D
04:25 wj wahanui: mailing lists
04:25 wahanui mailing lists are[…]ha-mailing-lists/
04:25 eythian yeah :)
04:25 wj wahanui: website
04:25 wahanui hmmm... website is
04:25 wj OK, thanks all. I'm leaving.
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05:22 cait morning #koha
05:23 eythian hello cait
05:23 wahanui hello cait are you here?
05:23 cait hi eythian :)
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05:51 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
05:51 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.9°C (7:13 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
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05:51 drojf oh my
05:51 drojf good morning #koha
05:52 dcook hey ya drojf
05:52 dcook Another blistering day?
05:53 drojf looks like it
05:53 drojf 34°C later.
05:53 dcook Ouch..
05:54 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:54 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986 hPa (Steady).
05:54 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
05:54 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 13.0°C (3:30 PM EST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
05:54 drojf people watching obama's speech at brandenburg gate today are not allowed to carry umbrellas/sunshades. for security reasons. that's gonna be a lot of fun
05:55 dcook Wow...
05:55 eythian we have a gigantic storm set to come through tomorrow I think
05:55 dcook eythian: I think we're due for that storm today :/
05:55 drojf i could use a storm. not a gigantic one though
05:55 dcook My coat is still a bit damp from last night's deluge
05:56 dcook Brandenburg gate...that's that huge square that has pretty much nowhere to hide in the shade, right?
05:59 drojf dcook: exactly. imagine that together with 4000 people all trying to see that one guy talking
06:00 eythian[…]uitsland&t=h&z=18 <-- ah yea, I've been there. Not much shade at all.
06:01 drojf i guess they will say people went unconscious because obama's speech was overwhelming :P
06:03 dcook drojf: lol
06:03 dcook Nice one, eythian
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06:06 dcook wb cait
06:06 cait hi drojf
06:06 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
06:07 cait the thunderstorm did growl last night but did not really reach us :(
06:07 cait it's still too warm outside
06:07 drojf hi cait
06:07 drojf unfortunately i win today
06:08 drojf and i have to work in the most unairconditioned workplace i got. right under the roof. happy times
06:10 cait not sure you win
06:10 cait we will figure that out later today
06:10 cait i am not under the roof but we are pretty unairconditioned
06:11 drojf ok, you are supposed to get 36° even. we only 34°. congratulations! :P
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06:12 mveron Good moning #koha
06:13 dcook hey ya mveron
06:13 dcook Haven't seen you around in ages
06:13 drojf hi mveron :)
06:14 cait hi mveron :)
06:15 mveron hi cait  and drojf
06:15 mveron :-)
06:15 mveron ...and dcook :-)
06:15 dcook ^_^
06:16 mveron dcook: To much work, and we had some changes in our group, mbalmer left...
06:17 dcook Dinger :/
06:21 mveron drojf: Question about bug 9972 - Would it be a great deal to add an additional field?
06:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
06:22 mveron It is related to a question on the German mailing list, would be great to have  048 as well
06:22 mveron
06:23 drojf ah nice. i did not get to looking for that yesterday
06:27 cait mveron++ :)
06:28 mveron With this index they could search after instrumentations, e.g. 2 pianos, 1 choir an 3 organs
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06:37 cait i tihnk i am developing that kind of phobia where you can't go outside
06:37 drojf oops
06:37 cait it's too warm!
06:37 cait or it will be soon
06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:37 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.5°C (8:35 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
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06:43 reiveune hello
06:43 cait bbl :)
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06:56 drojf see you later #koha
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07:13 gaetan_B hello
07:13 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B
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07:40 kf hi all
07:43 mveron Hi again, kf
07:43 kf :)
07:44 kf mveron++
07:44 mveron I discussed the instrumentation question with drojf, he would add fiel 048 to Bug 9972
07:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
07:45 kf drojf++ too :)
07:45 mveron :-)
07:45 kf yay for the german speaking koha community :)
07:49 mveron Bye #Koha
07:50 kf bye mveron...
07:50 kf too slow
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08:16 samueld hi everybody
08:17 kf hi samueld
08:17 samueld does someone know a tool or a script to convert a file in iso2709, I've made an extract of a table and need to convert it in a marc file.
08:17 kf i think a lot of people are using marcedit
08:18 kf but there is also a tool from robin to convert csv to marc in the repo I think
08:19 samueld ooh, i would be interested by the robin 's tool
08:19 samueld :-)
08:22 magnuse i think maybe have a look at
08:23 magnuse it says bywater, but it looks like robin has been pushing to it?
08:23 rangi[…]migration-toolbox
08:23 rangi that one is the most up to date
08:23 magnuse ah, ok
08:24 rangi[…]eric/
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08:28 magnuse rangi: how's your "star rating project thingy" coming along?
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08:35 rangi its nearly done
08:35 rangi probably one more weekends worth
08:35 rangi
08:45 kf yay
08:45 kf rangi++
08:45 kf sorry work :)
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08:59 magnuse w00t!
08:59 magnuse rangi++
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10:00 vfernandes hi :)
10:01 vfernandes after upgrading from 3.0 to 3.10 i'm having some little problems
10:02 kf did you run the script to remove items from the amrcß
10:02 kf from MARC?
10:02 vfernandes not yet
10:02 kf it's the most common thing missed :)
10:02 vfernandes it's the next step
10:02 kf what are the problems you have?
10:02 vfernandes
10:03 vfernandes the languages doesn't have descrptions?
10:03 kf hm werid
10:03 kf those come from a table in mysql
10:04 kf did you rerun the translation scripts after the update?
10:04 vfernandes which table?
10:04 wahanui which table is the barcode stored?
10:04 kf language_descriptions would be my guess
10:05 vfernandes only have 4 entries
10:05 kf oh
10:05 kf i have 135
10:06 kf no idea what went wrong there
10:06 kf but if you want to fix it - make sure you pick the sql file from the en directory
10:06 kf it's the most complete
10:09 vfernandes in which folder?
10:09 kf in the installer fiels
10:10 vfernandes installer/data/mysql/en?
10:13 vfernandes can't find the correct SQL
10:16 vfernandes subtag_registry.sql found it :)
10:18 vfernandes first problem solved.
10:19 kf subscriptions show up now? :)
10:19 vfernandes yes! second problem: when indexing - No such record type dom./..../etc/zebradb/bibli​os/etc/dom-config-marc.xml
10:20 vfernandes the same for authorities
10:20 vfernandes No such record type dom./etc/zebradb/authoriti​es/etc/dom-config-marc.xml
10:20 kf hm not sure about that
10:20 kf did you switch to dom indexing on update?
10:21 vfernandes when installing koha I choose dom
10:22 kf hm not sure why the errors occur
10:22 kf oh
10:22 kf what kind of installation did you do?
10:22 kf and we formerly supported only dom indexing for authorities, not bilbiographic
10:22 kf so there has something changed there between 3.0 and later
10:23 kf did you update or import your database into a newer installation?
10:23 vfernandes clean install, database imported from other server
10:24 kf hm ok
10:24 kf sorry, you might have to ask someone else about that problem
10:24 vfernandes I can try with grs1 indexing
10:35 vfernandes kf which is the scrip to remove items form MARC?
10:35 kf sorry, have to eat pizza now
10:35 kf it's called something with remove
10:35 kf probably somewhere in misc
10:36 vfernandes with GRS1  -  No such record type: grs.marcxml.record
10:36 vfernandes maybe something is wrong with my zebra
10:36 kf you didn't do a package installation, did you?
10:36 vfernandes no
10:36 kf did you check the paths it gives you? is the file there?
10:36 kf does the file have the right permission?
10:37 vfernandes i'm everything with sudo
10:37 kf sorr,y have to eat lunch with the coworker now
10:37 vfernandes *i'm running
10:37 kf hm you shouldn't sudo run zebra
10:37 vfernandes ok thanks kf
10:37 kf use the koha user
10:37 kf your file permissions might be messed up
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12:21 chris_n jcamins:
12:21 jcamins chris_n: oooooh.
12:22 kf oooooh
12:22 chris_n recommended by a friend yesterday; I plan on trying them this weekend
12:22 jcamins If I had bacon, I would try them right now.
12:22 jcamins It's nice and cool today, bizarrely.
12:23 chris_n here too; lots of rain last evening
12:24 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:24 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.1°C (2:20 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
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12:40 jcamins wtf is with the insistence that 001 is OCLC# in face of the incontrovertible fact that if it is, that is merely happenstance?
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12:43 tcohen morning
12:55 kf morning tcohen
12:57 tcohen hi kf
12:57 tcohen our university is turning 400 years today
12:57 tcohen so its a short working day for us
12:58 magnuse yay!
13:01 magnuse 400 is not a bad age
13:03 kf ooh
13:03 kf next year would be cool and then have kohacon in argentina!
13:03 kf maybe 401? :)
13:04 magnuse sounds good to me!
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13:06 magnuse heh ~36 hours travel time
13:06 magnuse but prices are not that crazy it seems
13:06 jcamins magnuse: to Argentina?
13:06 tcohen and we are awesome of course :-P
13:07 magnuse jcamins: yup
13:07 magnuse from oslo
13:07 jcamins Yay!
13:07 kf tcohen: of course you are :)
13:07 kf tcohen: btw bgkriegel was great and fixed the problem :)
13:09 jcamins 15 hours, surprisingly affordable.
13:09 tcohen for me its 1500 US$ to attend to Reno
13:10 magnuse tcohen: wow, that was ~the lowest prices i found from oslo to cordoba!
13:12 tcohen are bids for kohacon14 open yet?
13:13 magnuse it was a topic at the latest meeting, but i have not read the log yet...
13:14 kf tcohen: yes :)
13:14 kf drofj sent an email about that a few days ago
13:15 * magnuse is way behind in reading the list
13:16 magnuse drojf++
13:16 magnuse[…]Con2014_Proposals
13:17 vfernandes I solve the problems with the indexation that I had this morning
13:17 vfernandes but now when searching authorities I get this error
13:17 vfernandes Search authorities ERROR 114
13:17 vfernandes what that means?
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13:19 tcohen thanks magnuse
13:23 jcamins As I recall, ERROR 114 is unsupported Use attribute.
13:24 vfernandes Search authorities ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr 1=Heading @attr 7=1 0 @and @attr 5=100 @attr 1=authtype AUTORES @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 1=Any a
13:24 vfernandes This is the error that I get
13:24 jcamins Yeah, that's unsupported Use attribute.
13:25 vfernandes how to solve it?
13:25 vfernandes i'm using OPAC interface to searhc
13:25 jcamins Update your Zebra configuration files, restart Zebra, and reindex.
13:25 vfernandes update Zebra configuration? record.abs?
13:26 jcamins All your configuration files.
13:26 kf probably same problem as this morning l
13:26 kf what did you do to solve it?
13:26 jcamins You may have stale configuration files.
13:27 vfernandes the problem this morning was that the configuration files had /usr/lib/ instead of /usr/lib64/
13:28 vfernandes could be some field missing in the authorities?
13:28 jcamins No.
13:29 vfernandes I don't know what to do
13:32 vfernandes looking at authorities/etc/bib1.att there isn't a attr 7
13:33 jcamins That's sorting.
13:33 vfernandes so this @attr 7=1 0 doesn't look right
13:33 jcamins Yes it does.
13:33 jcamins The problem is authtype or Any.
13:34 jcamins Or Heading, I suppose.
13:34 vfernandes I don't even know where to look
13:35 jcamins Unfortunately troubleshooting this sort of problem isn't really simple.
13:35 jcamins In my experience, though, the problem always comes down to having configuration files from older versions.
13:36 vfernandes this is a clean installation
13:36 jcamins Entirely clean?
13:36 vfernandes yes
13:36 jcamins That's very weird. I've never seen that at all.
13:36 vfernandes the database was imported from a 2.2.8 Koha
13:37 kf vfernandes: didn't you say 3.0?
13:37 vfernandes 2.2.8 -> 3.0 -> 3.10
13:37 jcamins And the 3.0 upgrade was on a different system?
13:38 jcamins Very peculiar.
13:38 vfernandes yes... but I've never tested indexation and searching... I only followed
13:39 vfernandes after upgrading the database to 3.0 I've imported it to a system with koha 3.10
13:41 tcohen that sounds good vfernandes
13:41 tcohen and you didn't touch the zebradb files from that 3.10 setup, right?
13:43 vfernandes only zebra-authorities-dom.cfg and zebra-biblios-dom.cfg : "modulePath: /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules" -> modulePath: /usr/lib64/idzebra-2.0/modules
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13:44 vfernandes server :
13:45 tcohen wahanui: kohacon14 proposals is[…]Con2014_Proposals
13:45 wahanui OK, tcohen.
13:46 vfernandes I found one problem with my authorities
13:46 vfernandes the authority code is mapped to 942$b instead of 942$a
13:47 vfernandes could be this?
13:47 jcamins That's definitely a problem, but it's unlikely to cause this error.
13:47 vfernandes melm 942$a authtype:w,authtype:p
13:48 vfernandes authtype is mapped to that field
13:48 tcohen you shouldn't need that adjustment vfernandes, as lib is a symbolic link to lib64 on x64_64 setups
13:48 vfernandes if the field isn't filled in any authorities could give the error
13:49 jcamins vfernandes: you should definitely fix it. With luck, perhaps it will fix the problem.
13:49 vfernandes ok
13:49 jcamins I don't use UNIMARC, and when I have, I've always found that the Zebra configuration is much more brittle.
13:49 vfernandes i'm using MARC21 :P
13:49 jcamins Really? I thought you used UNIMARC.
13:49 jcamins In that case, why are you using GRS-1?
13:50 jcamins You should never ever use GRS-1 for authorities with MARC21.
13:50 jcamins It's been deprecated since 3.2.
13:50 vfernandes normally I use UNIMARC, but in this installation i'm using MARC21 and DOM configuration
13:51 jcamins Ah.
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13:58 vfernandes i will try a new DB importing with 942 corrected
14:09 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:10 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.6°C (4:05 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
14:19 magnuse kf: barely above 30? pffft... ;-)
14:20 kf it feels hotter
14:21 Oak @wunder islamabad
14:21 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0°C (7:00 PM PKT on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Rising).
14:25 magnuse Oak
14:25 Oak magnuse
14:25 Oak :)
14:26 magnuse :-)
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14:29 kf hi Oak
14:29 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:29 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.3°C (4:25 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
14:29 Oak hey kf :)
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15:01 datadoctor Working on text messaging our notifications. Hard-coded options make it difficult to configure notification settings. Defining Tools>Notices & Slips to SMS hold notices requires hard-coding a HOLD_SMS category. Options like texting a checkout confirmation appear to be impossible.
15:05 jcamins datadoctor: I think there's a patch that improves the way notices work.
15:06 jcamins datadoctor: hey, you don't happen to know whether there is any sort of barcode prefix registry in Ohio, do you? Or who I'd contact to ask if there were?
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15:08 jcamins datadoctor: bug 3367
15:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3367 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Overdue Rules not processed for patrons with checkouts more than 90 days overdue.
15:08 jcamins No, definitely not that one.
15:08 jcamins datadoctor: bug 9021
15:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers
15:09 jcamins And bug 9296
15:09 wahanui bug 9296 is, like, mine but that's less radical
15:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Failed QA , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension
15:12 datadoctor jcamins: I am not aware of any Ohio barcode prefixes. We don't use a custom prefix.
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15:17 jwagner jcamins, there is a barcode registry, but I don't think it's by state. What are you looking for?
15:18 jcamins jwagner: I'm trying to make a list of states that have their own registries instead of or on top of the Infor national registry.
15:18 jwagner We just send our sites to the National Barcode Registry
15:19 jcamins The one maintained by Infor, right? Or is there another one, too?
15:19 jwagner I think that's it.
15:19 jcamins Thanks. That's the one I've been using.
15:21 jcamins Some states maintain their own registry, apparently. Massachusetts has a state-wide registry and gets assignments from the national registry. Georgia PINES does not use the national registry at all.
15:21 jcamins So I'm making a list.
15:21 jwagner good luck :-)
15:22 datadoctor We currently use this tool to display our messaging preferences:[…]test/
15:22 jcamins jwagner: I'm going to need it.
15:23 jcamins datadoctor: custom script?
15:23 datadoctor Oops- I am realizing that link won't get one into the staff side
15:23 datadoctor Yes, it's a custom tool to read the messaging preferences.
15:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1263 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
15:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9307: (follow-up) help text tweaks <[…]99853e2779e475423> / Bug 9307: QA Followup <[…]da91b9d9332261976> / Bug 9307 - Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management. <[…]diff;h=490688ea53
15:37 reiveune bye
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15:43 datadoctor Posting messaging perl script and output template:
15:44 datadoctor And
15:44 datadoctor Together these read out your messaging preferences in detail.
15:47 datadoctor My understanding is that the "letter code" is hard-coded, so it does not allow sms notifications to be added through the koha staff interface - they must be added to the database directly.
15:48 datadoctor For example, adding a HOLDS_SMS to the message_transports table.
15:48 datadoctor Has to be done manually
15:51 jcamins Right. Usually you'd add it with a patch.
15:53 datadoctor thanks that makes sense. I will try to document a patch....
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16:21 vfernandes jcamins
16:22 vfernandes changing 942$b to 942$a solve the problem
16:22 jcamins vfernandes: yay!
16:23 vfernandes now I have a error indexing records :D
16:23 vfernandes this is killing me... LOL
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16:24 vfernandes [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) -> field 999 missing :/
16:24 jcamins You are missing bib numbers.
16:29 vfernandes yes I know
16:30 jcamins Or, if the error is on authorities, your authids ended up somewhere weird.
16:30 jcamins The authid should be in 001.
16:30 vfernandes the error is in bibliographic records...
16:30 jcamins Oh.
16:30 * jcamins will let you fix the problem now. ;)
16:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1263: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1263/
16:42 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9307 - Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management.
16:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9307: QA Followup
16:42 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9307: (follow-up) help text tweaks
16:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9307 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management.
16:47 datadoctor I reformulated the and as a patch.
16:47 datadoctor
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16:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7110: Renewal messages no longer displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled <[…]e272ad4dca2575a80>
16:51 nengard anyone around who knows style stuff?
16:51 nengard I'm wondering what code controls the color of the gray around the search box in ccsr
16:51 nengard i tried firebug but i can't find it
16:51 gmcharlt if anybody has Koha master running on MySQL 5.5 or MariaDB 5.5, I'd be curious to know if t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t is passing for you; ditto if you're running master on MySQL 5.1
16:51 pianohacker uh, hi libsysguy :)
16:52 libsysguy heya pianohacker
16:52 wahanui i think pianohacker is a brilliant young whooper-snapper.
16:52 jcamins gmcharlt: checking now.
16:52 jcamins It fails.
16:53 gmcharlt nengard: form#searchform, around line 135 of the CCSR colors.css
16:53 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "HoldsQueue.t under MariaDB 5.5" (42 lines) at
16:53 nengard gmcharlt when i change that it changes only the bottom of the gray
16:53 nengard that's what i thought it was ...
16:53 gmcharlt nengard: I find Chrome/Chromium's developer tools very hand for track this sort of thing down
16:53 jcamins gmcharlt: however, I'm pretty sure it used to pass.
16:54 gmcharlt jcamins: it passes on jenkins, which runs MySQL 5.1
16:54 jcamins gmcharlt: I think it used to pass on my system as well.
16:55 jcamins Actually, I see why it is failing, and I bet I can fix it.
16:56 jcamins I mean, on my system.
16:56 gmcharlt nengard: looks like bg-search-bar.png is being used to provide the color, by default, rather than plain CSS
16:57 nengard oh!
16:57 gmcharlt so form#searchform { background: COLOR; } should suffice to override it
16:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #1264 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:57 gmcharlt jcamins: which tests are failing?
16:58 jcamins gmcharlt: take from lowest cost branch (don't use cost matrix) holding branch
16:58 jcamins I suspect it's because dfa is lower case.
16:58 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, I've got a similar situation where my DB has an 'abc' library
16:58 gmcharlt sounds like the MySQL version is a red herring
16:59 jcamins Hm. I can't chang ethe code.
16:59 jcamins Okay, well, I think it's because of the lower case.
17:00 gmcharlt hmm
17:00 gmcharlt still failing for me after removing my 'abc' branch
17:01 jcamins Hrm. So much for that theory.
17:02 pianohacker gmcharlt: Would you like me to test in MySQL 5.5?
17:02 gmcharlt pianohacker: actually, 5.1 if you could
17:02 gmcharlt if it works for you, I can send you a dump of my current test database
17:03 pianohacker Hmm, on the mysql 5.1 machine I have access to, I don't have access to create a new DB
17:03 pianohacker apologies :/
17:04 jcamins gmcharlt: if you want it tested on 5.1, I can do that.
17:04 gmcharlt jcamins: that would be great
17:05 gmcharlt pianohacker: thanks for checking
17:05 jcamins I have been terribly spoiled by my development server.
17:05 jcamins I no longer remember how I stood using Koha in this VM.
17:06 cait jcamins: i know that problem
17:06 jcamins Hm. Test failures here too.
17:09 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "Failures on 5.1 instance" (128 lines) at
17:09 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, same two tests are failing for me
17:10 jcamins I think that must be data, because that's under Squeeze with all the Squeeze versions of packages.
17:10 gmcharlt agreed, it's smelling like a data-dependent issue
17:13 gmcharlt found a clue -- passes if you turn off AutomaticItemReturn
17:14 gmcharlt ah
17:14 gmcharlt must be assuming that the starting state is AutomaticItemReturn off
17:16 gmcharlt OK, that gives me what I need to write a patch
17:16 jcamins Yay!
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17:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:19 cait gmcharlt++
17:19 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 31.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
17:20 magnuse wow, at 7 in the evening, even
17:21 magnuse cait: that's not normal, right?
17:21 cait it's quite hot yeah
17:21 cait very suddenly so
17:21 cait that's most of the problem i guess
17:21 cait and it's super hot at work :(
17:22 cait my apartment is nice, so I fled and went home early
17:22 mtompset Greetings, cait magnuse.
17:22 mtompset Has anybody here used OpacHiddenItems?
17:23 mtompset Is there a way to hide items based on the user logged in?
17:24 pianohacker answered confusing questions about it? Yes. Used it? Lord no
17:24 cait mtompset: no
17:24 pianohacker mtompset: To my knowledge it can only make that decision based on the contents of the record
17:24 cait mtompset: you can use everything that is in the items table tho
17:24 pianohacker If you're trying to avoid mucking with the code, I'd recommend jQuery hackery
17:24 magnuse cait: working from home sounds like a good idea, then, if you can
17:25 cait yeah it would be certainly easier
17:26 nengard jquery help :) I want to rename the log in box ... and I'm missing something (maybe capitalization again):
17:26 nengard $("#auth legend:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("Log in to your library account");
17:26 mtompset I'm just trying to figure out if there is the possibility of hiding items from an OPAC search from one category of patron, but not another.
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17:27 pianohacker oy. that'd be even harder, and I don't know if you can do that in jQuery
17:27 jcamins mtompset: there is not with the current code.
17:28 mtompset would a patch that did that likely make it into the code base?
17:28 pianohacker mtompset: A small patch to expose certain patron attributes as a small JavaScript object on the OPAC would be useful
17:28 jcamins mtompset: depends how you did it.
17:28 cait pianohacker: hm wonder about the privacy of doing this
17:28 nengard pianohacker that was to mtopset not me right? (the jquery comment)
17:29 mtompset probably, nengard. :)
17:29 nengard whew
17:29 pianohacker cait: It would only be exposed to logged in users
17:29 nengard was gonna say, i know it's not that hard to do what i want
17:29 pianohacker nengard: one sec, testing
17:29 nengard :)
17:29 cait probably jsut being a bit careful :)
17:29 mtompset cait: That's a good thing!
17:30 pianohacker nengard: Yeah, capitalization. Change "Your Account" to "your account"
17:30 mtompset The problem with doing it in JavaScript, pianohacker, would be that the dataset would still be passed, as far as I know.
17:30 nengard yup
17:31 mtompset And that sort of defeats the purpose. You don't want data leaking.
17:31 pianohacker quick debugging tip: you can paste the first part of that ( $("#auth legend:contains('Log in to your account')") ) into the Web Console in the Firefox developer tools, and the length: property will tell you if it matched any elements
17:31 pianohacker plus you can fine-tune your selector right there
17:31 pianohacker mtompset: leaking to who?
17:31 jcamins mtompset: I still think you should find a way to make bug 9055 work for you, assuming the code is good.
17:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
17:32 pianohacker mtompset: Oh, the data of the books themselves. Hmm
17:32 pianohacker Plus doing in JS would screw up the pagination a bit
17:32 mtompset Right... no leaking books.
17:33 jcamins Or don't try to use technology to solve a policy problem.
17:33 jcamins Actually, that last is my preferred solution.
17:33 pianohacker Step 1: Convince the librarian that it's a policy problem
17:35 jcamins pianohacker: one technique for doing that is coming back and saying "it can't be done, what about changing the policy to not be mental?"
17:36 gmcharlt bug 10495
17:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10495 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t can fail unnecessarily
17:37 cait mtompset: maybe if they want all their own things they shouldn't be in one koha installation together?
17:37 mtompset Hmmm... bug 9055 looks like it has potential.
17:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
17:37 pianohacker jcamins: Heh, yeah, have used that often. bit of a gamble but sometimes works
17:38 mtompset jcamins: I understand why you say don't use technology to solve a policy problem.
17:38 drojf hi #koha
17:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
17:38 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 32.8°C (7:13 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
17:38 drojf meh
17:38 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:38 cait meh.
17:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (7:35 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
17:38 cait that's a lie!
17:38 cait @wunder Singen
17:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Germany is 29.4°C (7:37 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
17:39 cait hm
17:39 cait must be a lie. can't trust it and go outside.
17:39 mtompset cait: It isn't a matter of wanting their own things. It's a matter of certain items in certain countries could have serious negative impacts, and only trusted sources should know.
17:39 cait um.
17:39 pianohacker mtompset: What on earth kind of library are you working with?
17:39 drojf you are cataloguing secret things?
17:39 * drojf and the nsa listen in
17:40 mtompset Let's use a completely hypothetical situation.
17:41 mtompset Country X hates religion Y.
17:41 mtompset Library A is in country X and has items in their catalogue related to religion Y.
17:43 mtompset Now generally, local officials don't care about libraries, but if religion Y hater P finds out that there is such items in Library A. Library A could find itself burned down, staff killed, etc. etc. (super worst case scenario)
17:43 pianohacker .... O_o
17:43 jcamins mtompset: yes, and you know how we deal with that when they're walking around the campus with AK-47s? We don't put the book in the catalog.
17:43 pianohacker no shit
17:44 pianohacker Or separate internal Koha install
17:44 jcamins This is a separate issue from the branch access issue that you were asking about before, though.
17:44 gmcharlt or create a second catalog -- it's easier to secure an entirely separate Koha installation than to secure a mixed database
17:44 pianohacker yes
17:45 mtompset Okay, but then let's complicate the scenario.
17:46 mtompset Country X2 has a language similar to Country X. And said materials would be useful for person P2 to know about.
17:46 mtompset But P2 is in country X2 and not country X.
17:47 pianohacker The internal OPAC could have anonymous access disabled and passwords given to certain people
17:47 pianohacker but at some point you're facing a really sharp accessibility-versus-danger curve
17:47 mtompset Okay, this is where the SAML stuff I'm working on comes it.
17:48 drojf not the answer anyone is searching for, but if people are able to access the online catalog, i would provide them with a copy of a tor enabled operating system and a hidden service with scans if these books
17:48 mtompset I have an Identification Provider than knows if P2 is a partner or if P2 is part of the corporation.
17:48 drojf s/if/of
17:49 mtompset partners should not see hidden materials.
17:49 mtompset members of the corporation should.
17:50 mtompset ^than^that^
17:51 mtompset Anyways... that's the type of conversations I'm in the midst of right now.
17:52 pianohacker I love when technology discussions involve legally dangerous territory, truly I do :)
17:52 pianohacker sorry you're involved in that.
18:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1264: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1264/
18:12 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 7110: Renewal messages no longer displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled
18:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7110 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Renewal messages still displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled.
18:14 pianohacker http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]of-tight-coupling
18:14 pianohacker aka, trying to change circulation behavior
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18:33 chris_n pianohacker: LOL
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18:41 cait libsysguy is missing us again.. :)
18:41 libsysguy yeah,I'm back and fourth on meetings
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18:57 gmcharlt cait: chris_n: I'd like to call your attention to the comment I just added to bug 5366
18:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5366 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Koha does not work right with MariaDB
18:58 * cait checks
18:58 cait oooh as we are talking database
18:59 cait i have filed a bug about finescap - could someone take a quick look at the sql i posted there maybe?
18:59 cait bug 10490
18:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded)
19:00 cait gmcharlt: nice - so it looks like mariadb could be an easy switch?
19:01 gmcharlt cait: and quite possibly Percona, too
19:05 cait very nice :)
19:06 drojf gmcharlt: would it make sense to have patches on the bugtracker that are not supposed to go into koha (because they are not generic enough), but might be useful for some users? eg.[…]oha_and_old_books describes the use of MARC 901 + 902 specific to a part of switzerland. if they had a patch for that, could that be in bugzilla so others can find it?
19:06 cait hm maybe it could be a branch even?
19:06 cait might be easier to deal with
19:07 gmcharlt drojf: yeah, my inclination would be more storing them in Git repos on
19:07 gmcharlt e.g., the contrib/global repository
19:08 drojf ah yes that makes sense
19:08 drojf thanks
19:12 chris_n gmcharlt: comment posted
19:15 gmcharlt chris_n: thanks
19:15 gmcharlt cait: comment added to your bug
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19:19 cait gmcharlt: thx!
19:19 cait gmcharlt: i will try to work out a patch - it's rather annoying for us... our libraries have kind of standardized on 4.50
19:20 cait so it's a blocker right now
19:25 gmcharlt cait: an easy one to fix, forutnately
19:25 cait yeah, just a time problem on my side
19:25 cait as always
19:26 cait maybe tomorrow
19:28 gmcharlt what, haven't I pushed the patch for b ug 666666666: grant one more hour per day to each Koha contributor ?
19:29 pianohacker oh lordy please
19:30 gmcharlt rangi: how difficult would it be to add jenkins slaves?
19:31 jcamins Noooo! An error occurred when I tried to watch a video of a new tie knot!
19:38 jcamins Okay, none of these knots work at all with regular ties. I don't believe that those are regular ties he has.
19:38 drojf fake tie video performer ties? that's outrageous!
19:39 cait can we have 10?
19:39 cait hours?
19:42 pianohacker jcamins:
19:42 jcamins I found a tie that worked.
19:42 jcamins pianohacker: yeah, that's one of the ties I'm trying to get away from.
19:43 pianohacker heh. because of showy complication, or... ?
19:43 jcamins Because it's too normal.
19:43 jcamins I wear an Eldredge or Trinity every day.
19:43 pianohacker hahahahaha oh man
19:43 pianohacker what are you going for, then?
19:43 jcamins If I'm going to keep my reputation for unusual neckwear, I need to step it up.
19:43 jcamins Orrr... wear my ascot!
19:44 jcamins :D
19:44 mtompset Next, we'll be calling you Fred, jcamins. :P
19:44 jcamins This is the knot I just tied:[…]ded&v=z5sWQNWzsCk
19:45 * jcamins likes to think he pulls off unusual neckware with panache and style.
19:46 jcamins Though if I manage _impressive_ goofiness, that'd work too.
19:46 jcamins But I live in New York, so "dressing goofily" is nearly impossible, in comparison.
19:46 pianohacker If you have a stoner friend with a great dane, I swear to god
19:46 jcamins lol
19:46 jcamins Nope. I can't stand dogs.
19:47 rangi gmcharlt: trivially easy, i used to have my machine here as a slave
19:47 pianohacker ah. okay. you're a bond villain. nooooow we're on the same page
19:47 rangi gmcharlt: i just need an passphrase less ssh key
19:48 gmcharlt rangi: cool -- what I have in mind is one that uses MariaDB 5.5
19:48 rangi good plan
19:49 rangi i had one that was buidling the packages
19:49 rangi and then another doing in install, and running mechanize tests
19:49 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/master_install/
19:50 rangi that used to run on (my machine)
19:51 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]etedBuild/console
19:51 rangi was quite useful
19:51 rangi but yeah more slaves would be good, and more mechanize tests :)
19:52 * rangi has to take kids to school soon
19:53 cait[…]R=1&v=gUVBQ00iwTI < has a cape - looks right for someone with superlibrairan permissions :)
19:53 cait that was for jcamins of course
19:54 jcamins cait: that was the one I wanted to do before I settled on the one I did. The problem is it requires a wider tie.
19:56 cait too bad
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20:09 pianohacker ties <- the classy way for people who enjoy tying nots to have fun :)
20:12 cait hm thought sailing was for those :)
20:20 drojf i think i have never worn a tie and i don't intend to do so
20:20 drojf i enjoy #koha tie talk though. no idea why. :)
20:24 pianohacker cait: That's for people who enjoy tying functional knots under pressure, not pretty knots with all the time in the world :)
20:26 gmcharlt if one is using a sailor's knot for one's cravet, one is almost certainly making a mistake! ;)
20:26 gmcharlt *cravat
20:27 pianohacker "Well yah my tie may be ugly but she can hold up in the fiercest storm I tell you what"
20:28 cait pianohacker: aaah, i understand :)
20:28 * cait has never worn a tie either
20:28 cait ;)
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20:29 cait sorry, slow reader tonight...
20:40 * mtompset smirks, "Jesus never wore a tie."
20:40 mtompset Well, I'm off. Thanks for the feedback guys.
20:40 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period)
20:43 drojf[…]UAA_Mn2.jpg:large :D
21:18 drojf good night #koha
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22:19 eythian hi
22:28 cait hi eythian
22:28 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:28 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.4°C (12:25 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
22:29 eythian hello cait
22:29 wahanui hello cait are you here?
22:29 eythian that's far too warm for that time of day
22:29 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:29 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Rising).
22:29 eythian preferable to that though I suppose
22:29 ibeardslee really? that warm?
22:30 * eythian has trouble sleeping when it's too warm
22:30 wizzyrea you haven't lived until you've slept in a house with no AC with the low for the night at 25. Probably you'll end up not sleeping.
22:31 * ibeardslee has done
22:31 eythian yeah, I stayed at a friend's place in Canberra like that once.
22:31 eythian I think the low was about 30 :/
22:33 wizzyrea it's...unpleasant
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23:28 pianohacker Good night
23:28 wahanui I watch you sleep.
23:29 pianohacker jaysis _christ_
23:33 cait creepy eh?
23:33 cait :)
23:33 cait Good night
23:33 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, cait.
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23:37 wizzyrea good night.
23:38 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, wizzyrea.
23:38 wizzyrea i know
23:45 eythian wahanui: good night is also <reply>Don't go, $who. Stay a while. Stay forever.
23:45 wahanui okay, eythian.
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23:57 wizzyrea lol
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23:59 Brooke o/

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