| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 00:02 |
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mtompset |
I'd like to confirm... if ($a=$b) { ... } is the same as $a=$b; if ($a) { ... } correct? |
| 00:04 |
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jcamins |
It means the same thing, yes. |
| 00:04 |
|
jcamins |
But it is wrong. |
| 00:04 |
|
jcamins |
Because it will not be understood. |
| 00:05 |
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gmcharlt |
definitely the sort of contruct that if you used it (and please don't) woudl require a comment saying "yes, I really mean it that way" |
| 00:05 |
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| 00:08 |
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mtompset |
Because I'm thinking of taking a line from tools/import_borrowers.pl and changing the logic to use AddMember_Opac if the cardnumber is not set and AddMember if it is set, and then just use if ($borrowernumber) instead of if ($borrowernumber = AddMember(%borrower)) { ... } |
| 00:08 |
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mtompset |
Because I'm about to submit a locking patch for AddMember_Opac, which would then remove the FIXME. |
| 00:10 |
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gmcharlt |
er, and thereby remove the ability for patron imports to set patron passwords? |
| 00:17 |
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gmcharlt |
also, upon reading scrollback, are you proposing to add code to actually lock the borrowers table? |
| 00:18 |
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| 00:19 |
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mtompset |
Ah... good point... forgot about the random string mess. |
| 00:20 |
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dcook |
Oh, Koha. Why you so crazy... |
| 00:21 |
|
pastebot |
"mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "AddMember_Opac testing" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/63 |
| 00:21 |
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mtompset |
The others prevent silent errors in the error log file. |
| 00:22 |
|
mtompset |
But the time is under a second for the lock, so I don't see a problem. |
| 00:22 |
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mtompset |
I put in a 90 second lock to see how it affected other accesses. |
| 00:22 |
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jcamins |
Do you need to lock action_logs? |
| 00:23 |
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gmcharlt |
we shouldn't need to lock *anything* |
| 00:23 |
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mtompset |
It generates an error log entry otherwise. |
| 00:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
innodb has row-level locks |
| 00:23 |
|
mtompset |
if you don't then the fixup_cardnumber doesn't generate a unique number in some cases. |
| 00:24 |
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gmcharlt |
which is something that IMO calls for a solution that just about anything other than diong table locks |
| 00:25 |
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mtompset |
I can conceptually agree to that. The problem is that I want the assurance of something that works now. |
| 00:26 |
|
dcook |
O_o |
| 00:28 |
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jcamins |
If you're still working on SAML, why don't you just not use the built in automatic card number generator, which has always been not-best-practice? |
| 00:30 |
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jcamins |
Something like SAML domain + ID, or whatever SAML exposes. |
| 00:31 |
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mtompset |
automatic card number generator? What function are you thinking of? Or is this something you are suggesting I build? |
| 00:31 |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: table locks are *specifically* not recommend for innodb; see http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]ble-locking.html; one possible alternative might be creating a table with an auto_increment key whose sole purpose is to emulatie a sequence |
| 00:32 |
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mtompset |
A hidden syspref? With row locking? |
| 00:33 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: the problem you are trying to deal with is generating cardnumbers automatically, right? |
| 00:33 |
|
mtompset |
Yes. That is the problem that I am seeing. |
| 00:37 |
|
mtompset |
fixup_cardnumber is okay, but it does no locking... and a second process could grab the same calculated number before AddMember is called. |
| 00:37 |
|
mtompset |
Locking tables makes it atomic. |
| 00:37 |
|
mtompset |
Which, I do admit is ugly, but it is functional. |
| 00:39 |
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* dcook |
would love to know how Koha turning a null in Mysql into "33"... |
| 00:42 |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: it is not functional unless one assumes that there will never be simultaneous writes to the borrowers table; it doesn't matter how short the average lock period is |
| 00:43 |
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mtompset |
Okay, the "not recommended" |
| 00:44 |
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mtompset |
that makes the lockink tables a bad idea. |
| 00:44 |
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mtompset |
that makes the locking tables a bad idea. |
| 00:44 |
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gmcharlt |
dcook: '33'? weird? converting null to '', I would understand |
| 00:44 |
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gmcharlt |
rather, weird, not weird? |
| 00:44 |
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dcook |
gmcharlt: I know, right? |
| 00:44 |
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jcamins |
dcook: base e logic. |
| 00:45 |
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dcook |
jcamins: I figured there had to be some sort of logic to it :p |
| 00:45 |
|
dcook |
Although I don't know why it would be happening in virtualshelves and nowhere else.. |
| 00:46 |
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* dcook |
is checking out master atm |
| 00:46 |
|
dcook |
I just noticed it in 3.8 |
| 00:46 |
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jcamins |
dcook: it's shelf e^-1. That's why. |
| 00:47 |
|
dcook |
wth... |
| 00:47 |
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jcamins |
dcook: that was nonsense, BTW. :P |
| 00:47 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: fixup_cardnumber is not okay if it doesn't work. I was suggesting a way to have something that works now. |
| 00:47 |
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dcook |
jcamins: I caught on eventually :p |
| 00:47 |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: http://www.microshell.com/data[…]equence-in-mysql/ |
| 00:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
particular comment #8 |
| 00:48 |
|
dcook |
But there does have to be a logic to it... |
| 00:48 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: e^0 would have been harder to figure out. |
| 00:49 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: When I look on my dev system, it shows 34 |
| 00:49 |
|
* dcook |
's brain explodes |
| 00:49 |
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gmcharlt |
dcook: which column? |
| 00:50 |
|
pastebot |
"dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "virtual shelves null issue" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/64 |
| 00:50 |
|
dcook |
size |
| 00:50 |
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dcook |
When I run the SQL, my results are showing the size column as a primary key as well...no idea why that's happening... |
| 00:50 |
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mtompset |
Can you do stored procedures with DBI, gmcharlt? |
| 00:51 |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: sure -- following the example, one would just grab the results of "select nextval('abc');" |
| 00:53 |
|
mtompset |
Okay... so then really AddMember could be tweaked to add either the hash directly, or the hash plus a generated number in a single SQL statement, which should not need locking. |
| 00:54 |
|
mtompset |
then references to fixup_cardnumber could be removed. |
| 00:56 |
|
rangi |
if you want atomic, use transactions |
| 00:57 |
|
rangi |
thats what they are for |
| 01:00 |
|
mtompset |
so START TRANSACTION fixup_cardnumber AddMember COMMIT END TRANSACTION? |
| 01:01 |
|
mtompset |
But how will that prevent a second process from starting the same transaction? Does MySQL only run one transaction at a time? |
| 01:04 |
|
mtompset |
I do think a transaction patch in AddMembers would work. |
| 01:06 |
|
mtompset |
And that would solve my problem. I'm going to give that a whirl shortly. Bug report title to change shortly. ;) |
| 01:42 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, so Koha is generating an itemloop where size = undef |
| 01:42 |
|
dcook |
And somehow...Template Toolkit is translating undef as 33 (or 34)... |
| 01:45 |
|
dcook |
But...that can't be quite right... |
| 01:45 |
|
dcook |
Because pages can equal undef but it doesn't come out as 33 or 34.. |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
Today is the day of bugs... |
| 02:15 |
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| 02:36 |
|
dcook |
mtj: Just found an instance of when usmarc is used over marcxml |
| 02:36 |
|
dcook |
sub MARCfindbreeding in addbiblio.pl |
| 02:37 |
|
dcook |
GetImportRecordMarc. I imagine it could be GetImportRecordMarcXML instead. I think the MARC module can create a MARC object from MARCXML and not just the serialization... |
| 02:45 |
|
mtompset |
That's the phrase I was trying to remember... critical section. |
| 02:46 |
|
mtompset |
transactions don't create critical sections. Though, the do make things atomic. |
| 02:46 |
|
mtompset |
transactions don't create critical sections. Though, they do make things atomic. |
| 02:47 |
|
mtompset |
This is what locking does create. But since it isn't recommended on Inno DB's, that really isn't a good solution. |
| 02:48 |
|
mtompset |
I suppose gmcharlt's table with autoincrement for ID is good for that, but the problem is cardnumber isn't always numeric. :( |
| 02:49 |
|
dcook |
Man...there is some weird code in Koha... |
| 02:50 |
|
mtompset |
Yes there is, dcook. Sadly, there is. |
| 02:51 |
|
dcook |
The code controlled by "z3950NormalizeAuthor" and "z3950AuthorAuthFields"... |
| 02:51 |
|
dcook |
As a MARC21 user, there's no reason to have them turned on |
| 02:51 |
|
dcook |
But if you do...yeesh |
| 02:52 |
|
dcook |
Even if you were a UNIMARC user... |
| 02:52 |
|
dcook |
It deletes things and tries adding them before even checking that the variable has been set |
| 02:52 |
|
dcook |
Koha has a bit of a hissy fit.. |
| 02:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
"hissy fit" is a term that is not used often enough in relation to Koha |
| 02:54 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 02:54 |
|
dcook |
I'm not even sure where to start with re-writing it. Since it's for UNIMARC, it looks completely alien |
| 02:55 |
|
dcook |
I suppose wrapping it in a check "MarcFlavour" might be enough for now... |
| 02:55 |
|
dcook |
And filing a bug to tell someone who knows unimarc to probably look at it |
| 02:58 |
|
dcook |
I don't know why one would want to "normalize" the author... |
| 02:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
dcook: I don't know, some authors are *very* strange |
| 02:59 |
|
dcook |
gmcharlt: Agreed. |
| 02:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
I mean, just look at Stephen King |
| 02:59 |
|
dcook |
Personally, I rather remove the whole block and the system preferences... |
| 02:59 |
|
dcook |
But I'm sure "someone" uses it |
| 02:59 |
|
dcook |
So perhaps damage control is best...:/ |
| 02:59 |
|
dcook |
gmcharlt: Too true. |
| 02:59 |
|
dcook |
I'll never understand the end of "Needful Things" |
| 03:00 |
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gmcharlt |
dcook: it's pretty ancient code, though; worth asking the UNIMARC users if it still servers a purpose |
| 03:00 |
|
dcook |
It's like he wasn't even trying |
| 03:00 |
|
dcook |
(I mean Stephen King) |
| 03:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
gotcha |
| 03:00 |
|
dcook |
gmcharlt: Sounds good. I'll file a bug and post it to the koha-devel listserv |
| 03:01 |
|
mtj |
hey dcook, thanks for the info ^^ |
| 03:01 |
|
dcook |
mtj: Np. I think there are a few other instances of that scattered through Koha as well. If we do get rid of the serialization, we'll want to be pretty thorough about checking where it's still being used... |
| 03:01 |
|
dcook |
Anyway, lunch time |
| 03:01 |
|
dcook |
Bbiab |
| 03:01 |
|
mtj |
i might log a bug to remove the bi.marc field, just as a start... |
| 03:04 |
|
mtj |
(hopefully that will provoke someone to attempt to justify it's existence) |
| 03:13 |
|
mtj |
bug 10455, there we go... |
| 03:13 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10455 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove redundant 'biblioitems.marc' field |
| 03:18 |
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| 03:20 |
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bag |
evening all |
| 03:32 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, bag. |
| 03:32 |
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cjh |
hey bag :) |
| 03:33 |
|
bag |
hello |
| 03:50 |
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| 04:06 |
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* Oak |
waves |
| 04:07 |
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* dcook |
waves to Oak |
| 04:07 |
|
dcook |
mtj++ |
| 04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
cjh++ I'm blind and stuff, and he is not |
| 04:10 |
|
cjh |
luck :) |
| 04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
PFFFF |
| 04:12 |
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* cait |
waves |
| 04:12 |
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dcook |
hey ya cait |
| 04:12 |
|
dcook |
Nice one, cjh. Whatever it is that you did :) |
| 04:12 |
|
cjh |
hi cait :) |
| 04:12 |
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cait |
hi all :) |
| 04:13 |
|
mtompset |
does anyone remember where the multi-select branch limit is? |
| 04:14 |
|
cjh |
dcook: :) just spotted a missing </script> tag |
| 04:14 |
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dcook |
Must be those keen 20s eyes |
| 04:14 |
|
dcook |
Maybe I should enlist your help to figure out this virtualshelves issue :p |
| 04:14 |
|
cjh |
hahaha |
| 04:14 |
|
dcook |
It's...mind-boggling |
| 04:14 |
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wizzyrea |
probably he's brilliant. |
| 04:15 |
|
dcook |
I must be blind or...something |
| 04:15 |
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wizzyrea |
^ sounds familiar |
| 04:15 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 04:15 |
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wizzyrea |
though i recall oleonard tying himself in knots working on virtualshelves. |
| 04:15 |
|
dcook |
The code certainly has changed a lot between 3.8 and master. That's for sure... |
| 04:15 |
|
dcook |
Really glad though. Very useful work! |
| 04:15 |
|
dcook |
oleonard++ |
| 04:17 |
|
trea |
any idea why yaz-client would respond with "Database Unavailable" errors despite specifying the correct dbname from irspy? |
| 04:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
user/pass? |
| 04:17 |
|
trea |
http://irspy.indexdata.com/ful[…]3A210%2Fbcls_koha |
| 04:18 |
|
trea |
none specified |
| 04:18 |
|
bag |
trea is that the right URL? |
| 04:19 |
|
trea |
yeah it connects fine. it just doesn't return results |
| 04:19 |
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wizzyrea |
Don't forget to choose the database before running a query: base biblios |
| 04:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
Regards, |
| 04:19 |
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wizzyrea |
Jared |
| 04:19 |
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wizzyrea |
^ mailing list |
| 04:19 |
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trea |
yep, i base it using the dbname, and it doesn't throw an error |
| 04:19 |
|
trea |
just says unavail when doing the search |
| 04:19 |
|
trea |
unless having a db with an underscore in the name causes a problem |
| 04:19 |
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wizzyrea |
hum. |
| 04:20 |
|
dcook |
trea: yep |
| 04:20 |
|
dcook |
base biblios |
| 04:20 |
|
dcook |
Pj |
| 04:20 |
|
dcook |
Oh* |
| 04:20 |
|
dcook |
Sorry, I should've read more |
| 04:21 |
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wizzyrea |
wait you base using the dbname? |
| 04:21 |
|
dcook |
It should be base biblios |
| 04:21 |
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wizzyrea |
base biblios |
| 04:21 |
|
dcook |
Not base <kohadatabasename> |
| 04:21 |
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wizzyrea |
or base bcls_koha |
| 04:21 |
|
trea |
if i run |
| 04:21 |
|
trea |
yaz-client tcp:bcls.kohalibrary.com:210/bcls_koha |
| 04:21 |
|
trea |
it's already based |
| 04:21 |
|
cait |
hm trying to remember what I did last time |
| 04:22 |
|
dcook |
I've used yaz quite a bit.. |
| 04:22 |
|
cait |
but i think lizis right, there might be something you have to do before you can actually start searching |
| 04:22 |
|
dcook |
What's the rest of the error? |
| 04:22 |
|
dcook |
It might relate to your query |
| 04:22 |
|
dcook |
No, it's probably the basing.. |
| 04:22 |
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wizzyrea |
your command gives me |
| 04:22 |
|
pastebot |
"trea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Z> f laser Sent searchRequest." (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/65 |
| 04:23 |
|
trea |
doing it the way listed above has always worked correctly for me in the past |
| 04:23 |
|
pastebot |
"wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Connecting...OK. Sent initrequ" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/66 |
| 04:25 |
|
dcook |
trea: What do you get when you do "list_all"? |
| 04:25 |
|
pastebot |
"trea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Z> list_all Connected to : tcp" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/67 |
| 04:26 |
|
dcook |
Interesting... |
| 04:26 |
|
wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 04:26 |
|
dcook |
Looks good |
| 04:27 |
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trea |
oh, that's set based on the current "base" command |
| 04:27 |
|
dcook |
You did base biblios and that's what you got? |
| 04:27 |
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trea |
right |
| 04:27 |
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dcook |
Can you try searching again? |
| 04:28 |
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wizzyrea |
that's a former they-who-shall-not-be-named customer eh? |
| 04:28 |
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trea |
oh, is it? |
| 04:28 |
|
pastebot |
"trea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Z> base biblios Z> f laser Sen" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/68 |
| 04:28 |
|
dcook |
Interesting |
| 04:28 |
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wahanui |
Interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 04:28 |
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trea |
in this case, it's the former |
| 04:29 |
|
trea |
or latter |
| 04:29 |
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wizzyrea |
it's gotta be something weird they did with the z db names |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
yep |
| 04:29 |
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trea |
probably so. and i'm out of time. will have to pick it up again later o/ |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
Definitely |
| 04:29 |
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trea |
sorry to query and run |
| 04:29 |
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dcook |
np. Check their koha-conf.xml next time. |
| 04:30 |
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trea |
if i had that level of access, but alas |
| 04:30 |
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trea |
it's a remote target, that we don't admin |
| 04:30 |
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dcook |
first question? |
| 04:30 |
|
wahanui |
"What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 04:31 |
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dcook |
Sorry. I know you ran out of time. |
| 04:31 |
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wizzyrea |
probably use it as a target from another koha, if I had to guess |
| 04:31 |
|
* dcook |
is just curious. |
| 04:32 |
|
dcook |
I'm surprised that using the db "bcls_koha" gives an error with '' rather than 'bcls_koha' |
| 04:33 |
|
dcook |
Unless maybe it's an authentication issue? |
| 04:33 |
|
dcook |
I think that would present earlier though.. |
| 04:49 |
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dcook |
trea: Just thinking...if it used to work for you...maybe it's an issue on their end (or the information you have available)? It looks like they're using Metaproxy rather than Zebra as their z39.50 server... |
| 04:51 |
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wizzyrea |
def @later him |
| 04:51 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I was just thinking that.. |
| 04:51 |
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wizzyrea |
he's afk, but I will tell him to check :) |
| 04:51 |
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dcook |
lol |
| 04:51 |
|
dcook |
No worries |
| 04:51 |
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dcook |
It's a weird situation. I can't even find that actual library system or Koha instance |
| 04:52 |
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dcook |
I think maybe it amalgamated with another.. |
| 04:53 |
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wizzyrea |
looks like it's a NEKLS type |
| 04:53 |
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wizzyrea |
also, it may have been disbanded |
| 04:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
now that I think about it |
| 04:53 |
|
dcook |
NEKLS? |
| 04:53 |
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wahanui |
i think NEKLS is North East Kansas Library Service |
| 04:53 |
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wizzyrea |
forget nekls |
| 04:53 |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: I forgot nekls |
| 04:54 |
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wizzyrea |
NEKLS is <reply> the fine folks at Northeast Kansas Library System |
| 04:54 |
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wizzyrea |
NEKLS? |
| 04:54 |
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wahanui |
the fine folks at Northeast Kansas Library System |
| 04:56 |
|
dcook |
My curiosity is insatiable :S |
| 04:56 |
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wizzyrea |
yea I think they have gone away |
| 04:57 |
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wizzyrea |
www.bclstx.org -> not responding |
| 04:57 |
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dcook |
I think so too |
| 04:57 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, I saw that |
| 04:57 |
|
dcook |
http://nottypical.org/download[…]erLabsProject.pdf refers to libraries "formerly" served by them as well |
| 04:57 |
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wizzyrea |
texas had some pretty massive library cuts |
| 04:57 |
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wizzyrea |
they could have been a victim |
| 04:57 |
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wizzyrea |
you know who would know |
| 04:57 |
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wizzyrea |
druthb |
| 04:57 |
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wizzyrea |
ask her ;) |
| 04:57 |
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dcook |
Mmm, good call |
| 04:58 |
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dcook |
Didn't California have huge cuts too a while ago? |
| 04:58 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, and ohio |
| 04:58 |
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dcook |
There was some talk in Vancouver |
| 04:58 |
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dcook |
Which is a shame since it's a beautiful system in many ways (although not so much in others) |
| 04:59 |
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dcook |
I think "Big Country Library System" might still exist in name.. |
| 04:59 |
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dcook |
But just as a loose affiliation |
| 04:59 |
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dcook |
Or maybe these are all just really out of date websites |
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This page last modified on June 25, 2012. |
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wizzyrea |
for the tsl.state.tx.us site listing for bcls |
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wizzyrea |
so a year old |
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dcook |
That's the one I'm looking at now |
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wizzyrea |
which isn't thaaaaat long |
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dcook |
Someone should do a study of Google research speeds |
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dcook |
My curiosity is satisfied for now. |
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dcook |
Although that error message was still weird.. |
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wizzyrea |
I think it has gone away |
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eythian |
It apparently last responded with a blank page in May. |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]wc&RC=24240&Row=3 |
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wizzyrea |
that is interesting |
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wizzyrea |
clicking through to their online catalogue sends you to koha.org |
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wizzyrea |
http://anspl.tlccat.bywatersol[…]it=branch%3AANSPL |
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wizzyrea |
lookit that list of libraries |
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wizzyrea |
that, peeps, is a library consortium - TLC |
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dcook |
Yeah, I noticed the click through took you to koha.org, but that Bywater seems to support some of the former libraries? |
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wizzyrea |
http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]tlc-koha-support/ |
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wizzyrea |
^ this just happened |
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dcook |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]brary.pl?RC=12102 |
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dcook |
Is that what you were linking to? |
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dcook |
"In 2013 the Big Country Library System and the Big Country Library System combined to form Texas Library Consortium Catalog or TLCcat. The consortium operates through a partnership between the Texas State Library and Archives Commission and e-Libris Technologies." |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
they were absorbed |
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wizzyrea |
big country |
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wizzyrea |
so |
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wizzyrea |
that probably means their ztarget changed |
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wizzyrea |
which means we really need to know the problem that he's trying to solve |
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wizzyrea |
:P |
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dcook |
Yep, lol |
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dcook |
It sounds...sad |
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dcook |
But yay ByWater! |
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wizzyrea |
yea, that was pretty epic |
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wizzyrea |
a 42 library consortium in like 3 days |
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dcook |
O_O |
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wizzyrea |
from not-koha to koha |
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dcook |
Well, in NSW, the public library system wanted to put 2,000+ libraries up rather quickly |
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dcook |
I'm actually really interested to hear how that goes... |
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* wizzyrea |
too |
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wizzyrea |
well over like 3 years |
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dcook |
Ah, that's a lot slower than I originally was led to believe |
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dcook |
That seems more plausible |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: you're thinking of the schools one perhaps? |
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wizzyrea |
dcook was |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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eythian |
ah right :) |
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wizzyrea |
i might have heard of that |
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dcook |
No one tells me nothin' :p |
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eythian |
(I assumed there was a public one I hadn't heard of :) |
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dcook |
gmcharlt++ |
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dcook |
Good call on the renaming of system preferences... |
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dcook |
Oh so the day of bugs... |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ for being an awesome rm :) |
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dcook |
All the bugs.. |
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dcook |
But fixing bugs...which is good... |
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dcook |
I think this training session has yielded the most bugs ever |
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dcook |
And by ever...I mean in my short experience recently |
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dcook |
Eeee...a student from my alma mater wants some help setting Koha up at a volunteer library :) |
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cjh |
awesome |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
hi, reiveune |
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dcook |
hey ya paul_p, reiveune |
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dcook |
cjh: Alas, I've suggested that Koha might not be the right solution for them |
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dcook |
While I have confidence in the current volunteers, it would be tough to make sure that current and future volunteers are all able to maintain and upgrade Koha |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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dcook |
salut alex_a, christophe_c |
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christophe_c |
hello dcook ;-) |
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alex_a |
salut dcook |
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alex_a |
et salut christophe_c |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
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christophe_c |
hi alex_a |
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alex_a |
good morning drojf |
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dcook |
Guten morgen, drojf :) |
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drojf |
hi alex_a and dcook |
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paul_p |
hello everyone ! |
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bag |
heya paul_p |
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paul_p |
hi bag ! |
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bag |
ok paul_p is in - that means it's way to late to be at the office - night everyone I'm heading home |
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dcook |
About time, bag! |
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dcook |
I'm about to head home and I'm on the other side of the world... |
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dcook |
ta bag |
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dcook |
If anyone wants an easy sign off... bug 10457 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10457 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Export selected items data doesn't work when using checkall checkbox |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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dcook |
hey ya marcelr |
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marcelr |
hi dcook |
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mtompset |
Good day, everyone. |
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wizzyrea |
whaddup homies |
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marcelr |
mtompset left quite fast |
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marcelr |
dcook: your bug 10456 is more about cataloguing, i suppose |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10456 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , z3950NormalizeAuthor and z3950AuthorAuthFields cause problems for MARC21 (and are sloppily written) |
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dcook |
marcelr: Sort of |
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dcook |
Except that it's irrelevant without z3950 |
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dcook |
I think... |
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* dcook |
checks |
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dcook |
It's been a crazy day |
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dcook |
Yeah, that sub is only called if there is a breedingid |
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dcook |
Which should only be there if one is importing via z39.50 |
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dcook |
But it looks like the unimarc-specific code is wrapped with the marcflavour preference in master (I was looking in 3.8. I thought I checked master, but I must have had my git branch wrong.) |
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marcelr |
choosing the component is sometimes very arbitrary |
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dcook |
true that :) |
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dcook |
Feel free to change it if you like |
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dcook |
I'm not really attached to the component |
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marcelr |
looks like you are abandoning it already |
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dcook |
Pretty much :/ |
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dcook |
Besides wrapping it (which is already done), I suppose it would be an idea to add some checks for the variables...but I wonder why the code is necessary at all |
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dcook |
Do you use UNIMARC at all? |
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dcook |
I'm keen to chat to someone who can explain why that code is necessary :S |
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dcook |
That said, I actually have to run in a moment... |
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dcook |
Dumplings ^_^ |
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dcook |
good night #koha |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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rangi |
hi gaetan_B |
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marcelr |
hi gaetan_B and rangi |
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marcelr |
Joubu around? |
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marcelr |
Joubu: wouldn't it be easy to just replace LogLite with Log4Perl ? |
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Joubu |
marcelr: yes, maybe |
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marcelr |
could that not resolve the discussion? |
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marcelr |
if log4perl is syslog compliant, that is a plus |
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marcelr |
i would leave it in a module |
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Joubu |
marcelr: Yes I think we should have a Logger.pm module. log4perl is maybe a better solution but I never used it. |
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marcelr |
well could be worth a try now.. |
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samueld |
hi everybody :-) |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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* oleonard |
hopes to be around more than a half hour today, electricity willing. |
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nengard |
storms? |
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Oak |
pakistan? |
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oleonard |
Someone stole copper wire from the substation |
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oleonard |
Took 9 hours to repair, for some reason. |
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oleonard: really? You read about that, but I didn't realize people actually did that. |
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oleonard |
The sheriff said on Facebook they were surprised they didn't find a charred body on the scene, given the kind of equipment they were messing with. |
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nengard |
yikes |
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oleonard |
The commenters on that Facebook post sounded like a lynch mob. |
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tcohen |
morning #koh |
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tcohen |
a |
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druthb |
o/ |
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tcohen |
hi druthb |
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tcohen |
oleonard? |
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wahanui |
i heard oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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tcohen |
what do u think of adding the autocomplete feature on placing a hold |
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tcohen |
? |
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oleonard |
Patron autocomplete? |
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tcohen |
exactly |
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oleonard |
It's fine with me, but I would tie it to the circautocomplete system preference |
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tcohen |
you are right |
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marcelr |
have to go; bye all |
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huginn |
New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing (umbrella report) <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536> |
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druthb |
well, this is…annoying. The construction on the third floor is apparently *right above my office*. |
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jcamins |
druthb: yay! Day off! |
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druthb |
If I did not have a 12:30 meeting, I'd be grabbing the lappy and working from home. |
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oleonard |
Heh... Lappy. http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail119.html |
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druthb |
:P |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to the farmers market and bought lots of almonds which I had to eat on the plane, cos can't bringthem into nz, so I was offering ppl nuts on the plane. cait: makes sense rangi: if its sensible for a crazy nzer to be waving almonds in ur face at 3am, then yes" (added by wizzyrea at 08:03 PM, July 28, 2011) |
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druthb |
@quote random |
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huginn |
druthb: Quote #98: "drulm: TGIF=Thank Galen It's Friday" (added by wizzyrea at 07:15 PM, October 08, 2010) |
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gmcharlt |
too soon! |
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druthb |
Indeed. |
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libsysguy |
premature friday alert |
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* druthb |
thanks Galen that it's Thursday, though. |
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druthb |
hey, libsysguy—are the banging and paint fumes intense for you guys up on 5? |
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libsysguy |
we can hear some banging if we turn down the heavy metal |
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libsysguy |
but we are fume free |
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druthb |
duuuude. |
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druthb |
They are *right above* my office. |
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libsysguy |
email david |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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druthb |
If I didn't have a 12:30 meeting, I'd be out of here. It's freaking *intense* down here. |
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jcamins |
druthb: ask if you can use a different office? |
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jcamins |
Or reschedule the meeting? |
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libsysguy |
David was talking about it last night. Were you in on that convo? |
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libsysguy |
I bet Dean and Draper is pissed |
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jcamins |
You cPanelians have the weirdest IRC nicks. "dean_and_draper"? |
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druthb |
libsysguy: no, I wasn't in on that. |
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druthb |
Yeah, the Dean and Draper folks are probably not happy right now. |
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libsysguy |
druthb David said D&D were mega complaining |
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libsysguy |
if we can hear it on 5 I know they are getting it hard |
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libsysguy |
heh dean_and_draper |
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druthb |
jcamins: I may shift to a different space shortly—the learning room, maybe. The meeting is kind of immovable, since there's a bunch of folks in on it. |
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libsysguy |
anybody remember when I was library_systems_guy |
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druthb |
me! |
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libsysguy |
first nengard didn't want to type library_systems_guy so I shortened it to libsysguy, then khall wanted it to be lsg :p |
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nengard |
heh |
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druthb |
"li<tab>"… how hard can it be? |
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khall |
it's more efficient! |
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* khall |
should switch to kmh |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: the problem is that you're not the only one with li<tab>. |
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jcamins |
khall: why? You're the only one with kh<tab> |
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khall |
but is *two* characters shorter! That's like a 40% increase in efficiency, right? |
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khall |
; ) |
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jcamins |
khall: actually, you're the only one with k<tab> |
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khall |
yeah, I just discovered that from your previous comment. Never knew about it! |
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jcamins |
Alas, I am the only one with jc, but one of many with j. |
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* jcamins |
should've chosen zjcamins as a nick. |
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khall |
it reminds me of when I showed a friend you could open a browser link with a middle click, he literally freaked out! |
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khall |
lol |
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libsysguy |
oh my |
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khall |
you'd think I'd demonstrated a super power or something |
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jcamins |
oleonard: any suggestions on making these buttons fit in to the page and general Koha styling better? http://screencast.com/t/lpiLrlD6x1 |
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oleonard |
Hmm... |
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libsysguy |
add a pull-right class to add contact button |
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libsysguy |
imo |
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oleonard |
My instinct is to say that the contact details for each contact should be in their own fieldset inside a grouping fieldset |
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jcamins |
I was thinking of a pull-right on the Delete contact, and possibly putting it up at the top of the fieldset as well. |
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oleonard |
Within each individual fieldset is the delete button |
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oleonard |
Also, use 'icon-remove' for delete |
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oleonard |
Why put buttons on the right? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I was thinking of putting the button in the top right so that it used less vertical space. |
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jcamins |
I disagree with libsysguy about moving the Add contact button. |
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jcamins |
Unless, of course, you decide you agree with him, in which case I think it's a great idea. |
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oleonard |
:) |
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libsysguy |
jcamins opinions have noted and marked as incorrect :p |
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oleonard |
I think I could go either way on the delete button but think the add button should stay left-aligned. |
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libsysguy |
less_vert_space++ |
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oleonard |
On a long form like this I don't think vertical space is such a big deal. No way to avoid scrolling no matter what. |
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jcamins |
True. |
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libsysguy |
http://twitter.github.io/boots[…]ipt.html#collapse |
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jcamins |
I think I prefer the button on the left. |
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jcamins |
I just tried it on the right, and it doesn't really work. |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: yeah, I considered that. |
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oleonard |
We have the jQueryUI version already included in the staff client. |
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jcamins |
I'm not 100% sold on using a collapse control, though. |
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oleonard |
Yeah for an entry form I don't think it's appropriate. Better for display. |
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libsysguy |
forms in general have their own special set of rules |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8662 - Remove unused famfamfam icons <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]13b9a4e10f39b162f> |
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oleonard |
That was a tough patch to get in. |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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jcamins |
oleonard: does the for attribute always have to refer to an id? |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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jcamins |
Figures. |
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wahanui |
I like *your* figure |
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pianohacker |
good morning |
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jcamins |
wahanui: why thank you. |
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wahanui |
de nada jcamins |
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jcamins |
oleonard: is wrapping controls in the label tag something that we are actively trying to avoid in Koha, or something that we just happen to not do? |
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jcamins |
Ah... that messes up the layout. |
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oleonard |
Which controls? |
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jcamins |
Text <input>s. |
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jcamins |
I'll just generate IDs. |
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* cait |
waves |
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libsysguy |
o/ |
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* druthb |
wriggles happily |
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cait |
:) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt++ # No FIXMEs |
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oleonard |
So. Many. FIXMEs. |
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* gmcharlt |
hands oleonard a paper bag to breath into |
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* gmcharlt |
will push patches with TODOs, but is not inclined to push patches that introduce new FIXMEs unless absolutely necessary |
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oleonard |
"TODO: Make this not broken." |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I've seen a few of those. |
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gmcharlt |
heh; yeah, I'll be using more than just grep to evaluate those |
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tcohen |
oleonard: do we really need to provide a render function for the autocomplete? isn't the fact that ysearch.pl retrieves a JSON enough for rendering? |
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tcohen |
i'm not used to the autocomplete jquery plugin, just asking for learning purposes |
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oleonard |
I don't remember offhand tcohen, you'd have to give it a try. |
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oleonard |
I re-learn jqueryui autocomplete every time I do it again. |
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* cait |
waves again |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
i don't have cookies for you, but how about patron autocomplete for placing holds? |
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cait |
hmmmmm i can imagine that tastes yum? ) |
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magnuse |
jcamins around? |
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jcamins |
I am. |
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magnuse |
ah |
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magnuse |
good evening, sir |
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magnuse |
i'm looking at bug 10240 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB |
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jcamins |
Yay! |
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magnuse |
do you know if it is supposed to work when koha runs on localhost? |
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magnuse |
or does it have to be over the network to work? |
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jcamins |
... |
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jcamins |
that is a good question. |
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jcamins |
I suspect it would not work on localhost. |
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magnuse |
i have vague feeling i have read something about local storage not working for localhost, but i'm not sure |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I read something about that as well, but I don't remember exactly where. |
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* magnuse |
is on a train |
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jcamins |
Which browser are you using? |
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tcohen |
bug 10464 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10464 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Patron search on placing a hold doesn't use jqueryui.autocomplete |
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jcamins |
It looks like possibly it doesn't work under Firefox, but might under Chrome. |
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magnuse |
jcamins: firefox |
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magnuse |
ah, i'll try that then |
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jcamins |
Are you getting any sort of error? |
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jcamins |
If you are I can try to add some handling for the error, at least. |
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magnuse |
no, i turn off apache and then when i try to access offline.pl i just get server not found |
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magnuse |
like the offline html5 stuff is not working at all |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, magnuse. :) |
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magnuse |
hiya mtompset |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. |
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magnuse |
jcamins: nope, same thing with chromium |
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* magnuse |
has to get off the train now, see y'all later! |
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drojf |
fun fact: localstorage does not work if you have your cookie settings set to "ask every time". probably not magnuses problem, but i spent quite some time figuring that out |
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jcamins |
drojf: yeah, I had the same problem. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, drojf jcamins. |
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drojf |
hi mtompset |
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drojf |
up to 38°C in the coming days. time to switch from "it's way too cold for summer" to "omg it's way too hot" |
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mtompset |
That be true. |
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mtompset |
Ooooo.... I think I have an idea to deal with my critical section problem. |
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mtompset |
And it won't deadlock and should work. |
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* druthb |
gets the duct tape, and tapes cait to her chair |
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mtompset |
Creating a table to serialize (autoincrement, ID, value)... the process that needs a value generates a random string for an ID and does an insert into the table, but leaves value blank. It then calculates all the missing values, and grabs the last one for its own ID. |
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mtompset |
values don't duplicate because everything is serialized, and the processes won't deadlock, because even if two processes calculate a value for autoincrement value X, it should be the same value. |
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cait |
not sure that will work |
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cait |
we are going through all those tunnels soon |
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mtompset |
virtual duct tape isn't as good as the real thing. :P |
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drojf |
jcamins: did you get the DRUCK_ORT question from the new wiki page about old prints (in german) or is that a strange coincidence? |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb cait. :) |
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jcamins |
drojf: fromt he wiki page. |
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cait |
hm wonder if ids does it like we do |
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jcamins |
mtompset: that sounds like what gmcharlt suggested, but are you sure you wouldn't be better off using a non-autogenerated cardnumber as a way to actually move forward with your development? |
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druthb |
hi, mtompset. |
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drojf |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
and hi druthb |
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jcamins |
*from the |
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druthb |
hi, drojf! :) |
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mtompset |
yes, very similar to what gmcharlt suggested. His link got me thinking that way. |
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mtompset |
Well, actually, do we need a cardnumber is a question that has been on my mind too. |
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jcamins |
Or you could even not have a cardnumber, yes. |
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oleonard |
tcohen: Your holds autocomplete works well, but once you've selected a patron and the page redirects there is a javascript error |
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mtompset |
Does that cause things to break in Koha elsewhere, though? |
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oleonard |
tcohen: I think you need to wrap that JS in [% UNLESS ( borrowernumber ) %] |
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tcohen |
i'll check it oleonard, thanks for the feedback |
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tcohen |
oh |
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jcamins |
mtompset: only things that require cardnumbers. |
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tcohen |
where did y find the error oleonard ? |
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oleonard |
tcohen: It appears in the Firebug console after you have selected one of the autocompleted items and the page redirects |
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tcohen |
it appears on current master i guess |
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tcohen |
not sure is related to the patch itself |
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cait |
oleonard: during the trianing we noticed a couple of things in intranet not working with ie |
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cait |
should we file those? i forgot to get the ie version number in the training room |
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cait |
if i can figure out the version of ie - how far back do we care? |
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oleonard |
We don't technically support IE at all in the intranet, but I do my best to fix stuff I can. |
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oleonard |
I probably wouldn't bother if it was only in IE7 or below |
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oleonard |
tcohen: The error does not happen in master |
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tcohen |
hmm, maybe some cache is hiding it from me |
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cait |
oleonard: ok :) |
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cait |
the problems were in acq and serials mostly |
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oleonard |
cait: JavaScript-related? |
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cait |
yeah |
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cait |
but not the drag and drop |
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cait |
one thing was that you couldn't order multiple items when ordering, because the item form didn't come back after clicking add for the first time |
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cait |
that was particuluarly annoying |
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cait |
but as i am not sure which verion that was, i will check that first |
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cait |
ie version i mean |
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oleonard |
Ugh, that page always sends me running away in fear. |
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cait |
understandable |
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tcohen |
i resent the patch |
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tcohen |
i fixed some koha-qa errors too oleonard |
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pianohacker |
hurr, id != class |
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pianohacker |
That's a new one... does anyone else also occasionally write id="#something" in their HTML? |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: only by accident. |
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pianohacker |
I'd hate to think you were doing it intentionally :) |
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mtompset |
YUCK! Why would you put a hash in front of your id?! |
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* tcohen |
goes check his latest patch *just in case* |
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oleonard |
Many are now recommending that people use 'class="#something"' and not use ids for styling at all. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: because you've been writing hundreds of lines of Javascript. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: really? Why? |
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oleonard |
1. They think using ids for styling is bad. 2. They think 'class="#something"' conveys the same sense of importance others use an id to express. |
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druthb |
Roast beef hash is the best kind... |
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mtompset |
I could be wrong, but don't id's give you a kind of granularity to the styling? |
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druthb |
Good for breakfast, on toast, with a fried egg on top. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: so do classes if they are unique. |
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mtompset |
But creating that many classes seems overkill. Classes make for nice groupings of ids. Hence my granularity thought. |
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mtompset |
However, I'm no styling expert, so I would rather trust oleonard's opinion. :) |
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oleonard |
I'm not convinced, so I'm not telling anyone to do it any particular way. |
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* oleonard |
won't be using 'class="#something"' any time soon |
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cait |
it doesn't make sense to me |
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cait |
why would ids be bad? |
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cait |
and if you do that.. no validator is going to tell you that you have used your intentionally unique id on more than one element on the page |
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oleonard |
cait: Those who argue for that method are not saying you shouldn't use ids in HTML and with JavaScript, just not as a hook for CSS |
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* oleonard |
is trying to find the argument he read |
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cait |
aah |
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cait |
ook |
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cait |
the train has to go slower because of a weather warning :( |
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* cait |
is not amused |
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oleonard |
Not the one I was thinking of, but: http://oli.jp/2011/ids/ |
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* oleonard |
hates remembering reading a link from Twitter and not being able to find it again |
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oleonard |
http://csswizardry.com/2011/09[…]ain-in-the-class/ |
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oleonard |
http://csswizardry.com/2013/05[…]d-classes-in-css/ |
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pianohacker |
... |
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pianohacker |
I... feel like he's inventing problems |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I've seen the problem he describes in legacy code. |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: how so? |
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pianohacker |
Because while I'm no battle-hardened web expert, the lack of reusability, js/css coupling and specificity fighting have never been huge issues |
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oleonard |
Yeah, I wonder if the specificity conflicts are a problem with different kinds of projects? I dunno. |
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jcamins |
Where an ID selector from way up overrides the class selector, and the developer worked around it by adding !important instead of fixing the underlying problem, which is that div#content is a rather vague selector, really. |
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jcamins |
I think the site I was shaking my head over that had that problem used Joomla. |
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oleonard |
Well, .... Joomla. :P |
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jcamins |
oleonard: that's why I said there was a problem with legacy code. |
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jcamins |
If you look up "legacy" in an online dictionary, it says "see Joomla." |
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cait |
does someoen remember what joomla was called before it was joomla? |
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cait |
m.. |
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cait |
hm. |
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jcamins |
Mambo. |
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cait |
oh right thx |
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cait |
hm it sounds weird reading it |
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* druthb |
dances a lil mambo. |
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drojf |
that's what you get from smoking roast beef hash |
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pianohacker |
#koha is all kinds of good drugs today |
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cait |
heh |
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mtompset |
jcamins: !important?! I encountered that issue with Koha. :P |
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oleonard |
Urgh, the logic with which to tell if an "action" link will appear in OPAC search results is really convoluted... |
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oleonard |
...but I don't want to show an empty "actions" label no options are enabled |
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oleonard |
Uh... "if" no options are enabled... |
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oleonard |
Hm, it would certainly simplify things if "SEARCH_RESULT.norequests" were true for available items if AllowOnShelfHolds is off... |
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oleonard |
I have 9 minutes to discover how hard that would be before leaving for a week of vacation. |
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libsysguy |
Random: \o/ ^o^ o[ /o\ |
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mtompset |
oleonard: Yes, yes it is. God be with you. :) |
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mtompset |
libsysguy: What is o[? Don't you mean o<? :P |
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libsysguy |
oh yes, I did mean that |
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libsysguy |
I was trying to get some elbow action in there with trex arms |
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oleonard |
Quick trip into Search.pm right before quitting time? Never a good idea. |
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libsysguy |
what is it druthb says, Search.pm is so dense not even good search results can escape |
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mtompset |
oleonard: Good Lord! Say you didn't do that. Say you didn't enter the labyrinth. |
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rangi |
the queryparser that jcamins did is a zillion times better |
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* druthb |
never said that! |
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libsysguy |
oh thats right, just washington DC |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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druthb |
Right. |
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libsysguy |
bah, traffic is already bad....wwwwwhhhyyyyyy |
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mtompset |
Because. :P |
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* druthb |
blinks… now I've heard everything. Scott Joplin's "Pine Apple Rag"…on handbells. |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. |
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Brooke |
o/ |
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bag |
heya Brooke |
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Brooke |
how's it shakin on the left siiiiiide? |
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Brooke |
its' Cait! |
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* Brooke |
hands cait an Akoma Chocolate Chip Cookie |
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cait |
hi Brooke and thx |
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cait |
just got home, cookies welcome |
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Brooke |
wow, you were out late |
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Brooke |
unless you're in the states, in which case WHERE!? |
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cait |
lol no |
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cait |
travelling for work |
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cait |
for started on monday, came back tonight |
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Brooke |
oh wow |
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Brooke |
hope it was fun |
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Brooke |
I gots to go though |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Now I'm on my desktop computer... let's get coding. :) |
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pianohacker |
bye |
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mtompset |
Is there a nice way to silence errors and determine there was one? |
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rangi |
http://search.cpan.org/~doy/Tr[…]2/lib/Try/Tiny.pm |
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mtompset |
I'm trying that, but it isn't working. |
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rangi |
you arent confusing warns with errors again? |
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mtompset |
perhaps. |
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mtompset |
I don't want output. |
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mtompset |
I know there will be messages like "db doesn't exist' or "db already exists". |
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mtompset |
I want to handle them myself. |
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mtompset |
DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'kohadata.TRYMEOUT2' doesn't exist at ./test2.pl line 21. |
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eythian |
the DBD docs tell you about that I think |
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eythian |
or DBI rather |
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mtompset |
Ah... RaiseError in the connect statement. |
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jcamins |
rangi: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bal.git;a=summary |
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rangi |
awesome |
