| Time |
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Message |
| 00:00 |
|
eythian |
that does sound like something one could challenge. |
| 00:00 |
|
jcamins |
He did. |
| 00:00 |
|
jcamins |
And was told that the problem was that he his "citation was wrong." |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
Time to see the department head? |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
That sounds ridiculous |
| 00:01 |
|
jcamins |
Yeah, I think so. |
| 00:01 |
|
dcook |
Mind you, then you possibly get in that situation where you're sunk for the rest of the semester with that prof |
| 00:01 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, lack of accountability in universities |
| 00:01 |
|
dcook |
Lack of scholarship... |
| 00:01 |
|
dcook |
Lack of... |
| 00:01 |
|
jcamins |
Since it's the first class of his second MA, which he's doing part-time, he's thinking he'll just transfer. |
| 00:01 |
|
* dcook |
isn't critical of formalized education at all... |
| 00:02 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, fair enough. |
| 00:02 |
|
dcook |
What's he studying? |
| 00:02 |
|
jcamins |
Criminology. |
| 00:02 |
|
dcook |
I'm a bit surprised that's an MA, but interesting nonetheless. |
| 00:03 |
|
jcamins |
I think it's because he already has an MS in psychology, though I'm not really sure, now that you point that out. |
| 00:10 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: insult |
| 00:10 |
|
wahanui |
eythian: i'm not following you... |
| 00:10 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: insult is <reply>I hope you step on a lego |
| 00:10 |
|
wahanui |
No luck, eythian |
| 00:11 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: insult is <reply>\I hope \you step on a lego |
| 00:11 |
|
wahanui |
No luck, eythian |
| 00:11 |
|
eythian |
... |
| 00:13 |
|
cjh |
http://www.lolbrary.com/conten[…]trategy-35619.jpg |
| 00:13 |
|
eythian |
heh |
| 01:09 |
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| 01:15 |
|
jcamins |
So cool! http://www.businessinsider.com[…]erica-2013-6?op=1 |
| 01:18 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, that's interesting |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
Oh my... |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
That's surprisingly accurate with my corresponding anecdotal evidence |
| 01:19 |
|
* jcamins |
grew up in a corridor of weirdness. |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
The word for "sweetened carbondated beverage" |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
I thought that all Americans had the tendency to say soda, based on the fact that my sister's ex said soda all the time |
| 01:20 |
|
jcamins |
Bah. His main page is slashdotted. :( |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
But he grew up on the border of Missouri and Illinois |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
Which apparently is a hot spot for soda |
| 01:20 |
|
jcamins |
I say soda. |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
In a pop zone |
| 01:20 |
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| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
I think you're in a soda zone as well :o |
| 01:21 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, this could be useful for memorizing USA geography... |
| 01:27 |
|
dcook |
I wonder if I can get any of the Americans here saying fizzy drink... |
| 01:27 |
|
* dcook |
swears sometimes that Australians make stuff up just to tease him |
| 01:28 |
|
dcook |
Still learning all the slang here after a year and a half... |
| 01:28 |
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| 01:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
they do fizzy drink here too |
| 01:29 |
|
* jcamins |
contemplates airline tickets to Reno. |
| 01:30 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea: I quite like the sound of it to be honest. |
| 01:30 |
|
dcook |
I really need to remember to book my hotel for Reno this weekend.. |
| 01:31 |
|
dcook |
Apparently there were 44 non-fatal shootings in NSW in April 2012... |
| 01:31 |
|
dcook |
Down to "only" 24 in March 2013 |
| 01:32 |
|
dcook |
http://www.emergency.nsw.gov.a[…]e.html?newsid=801 |
| 01:32 |
|
dcook |
Apparently, criminal intent has risen by 57.9% in two years.. |
| 01:33 |
|
* dcook |
knows how to kill the mood :p |
| 01:33 |
|
dcook |
Figuratively... |
| 01:38 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, I get into Reno 12:45pm on Thursday, and leave at 1:30pm on Monday. |
| 01:39 |
|
dcook |
Cool. Look forward to seeing you there ^_^ |
| 01:46 |
|
mtompset |
Umm... I'm getting a strange error in my git koha. |
| 01:46 |
|
dcook |
mtompset: What's up? |
| 01:46 |
|
pastebot |
"mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What broke in the last update?!" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/51 |
| 01:47 |
|
jcamins |
Something in C4::Letters? |
| 01:47 |
|
mtompset |
I didn't touch C4::Letters. |
| 01:47 |
|
mtompset |
I did do a git rebase recently. |
| 01:47 |
|
jcamins |
Something is broken in C4::Letters, based on that error message. |
| 01:47 |
|
jcamins |
No idea what. |
| 01:48 |
|
wahanui |
no idea what is, like, going on |
| 01:48 |
|
mtompset |
is there a way of knowing what was updated in the last couple hours? |
| 01:50 |
|
* dcook |
shrugs |
| 01:50 |
|
dcook |
You're on master? |
| 01:50 |
|
eythian |
did you look on line 220 of C4/Letters.pm? |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
Looks like the getalert sub |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
In master, at least |
| 01:51 |
|
jcamins |
mtompset: `git log` but that's not likely to help you here, because it probably wasn't something pushed in the last few hours. |
| 01:52 |
|
mtompset |
it was. |
| 01:52 |
|
mtompset |
because I did a git pull this morning. |
| 01:52 |
|
mtompset |
and I did a git pull this afternoon. |
| 01:52 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, you could use git log and --name-only to see which files were changed and go from there if you want |
| 01:53 |
|
eythian |
or just 'git log C4/Letters.pm' |
| 01:53 |
|
eythian |
but first you should have a look at the line the error is coming from |
| 01:53 |
|
jcamins |
The last change to that file was two weeks ago. |
| 01:53 |
|
dcook |
It might not be Letters.pm |
| 01:53 |
|
dcook |
It might be a file that uses the getalert sub from it |
| 01:53 |
|
eythian |
but it might be |
| 01:53 |
|
eythian |
the error is coming from there |
| 01:53 |
|
dcook |
Certainly worth a look :) |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
Actually.. |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
I haven't done much with prepared SQL statements |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
But does that sub look funny to anyone else? |
| 01:56 |
|
dcook |
Oh wait, nvm |
| 01:56 |
|
dcook |
Durr |
| 01:56 |
|
dcook |
Looking at the wrong line |
| 01:56 |
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| 01:56 |
|
jcamins |
In the sense of "surely we could do it better" or the sense of "wrong"? |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
In the sense that I was looking at a line which was irrelevant to the problem |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
Saw @bind with one eye and part of a different line with the other |
| 01:58 |
|
mtompset |
I triggered a database update, and it fixed itself. |
| 01:58 |
|
mtompset |
I blame the patch that changed Independant to Independent. :P |
| 01:58 |
|
dcook |
Although now that you mention doing it better... |
| 01:59 |
|
mtompset |
But I don't really know. |
| 01:59 |
|
* dcook |
shrugs and goes back about his business |
| 02:01 |
|
mtompset |
YAY! I successfully logged in as an authenticated and real email address OpenIdP user. :) |
| 02:02 |
|
mtompset |
Now for the uglier part of the code tomorrow. :) |
| 02:02 |
|
mtompset |
Adding an authenticate user with basic permissions into koha and then using that. :) |
| 02:05 |
|
rangi |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl[…]rizon-court-order |
| 02:05 |
|
rangi |
if you verizon, dont say bomb |
| 02:06 |
|
eythian |
what happens if you do really bad at a play? |
| 02:06 |
|
rangi |
actually if you call anyone using verizon too |
| 02:06 |
|
rangi |
thast a lot of phone calls |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
"The document shows for the first time..." |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
I have my doubts there |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
I'm sure it's been going on for years at this point |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
I doubt a switch of government really stopped that |
| 02:10 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: you're misreading that. |
| 02:11 |
|
dcook |
I must be |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
For the first time, it is shown that (all along)... |
| 02:11 |
|
dcook |
lol |
| 02:12 |
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| 02:15 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: are you using the OFTC web client? |
| 02:15 |
|
eythian |
is it just me, or does this warning: |
| 02:15 |
|
eythian |
> NOTE: If you change an authorised value, existing records using it won't be updated. |
| 02:15 |
|
eythian |
sound like the exact opposite of what happens? |
| 02:15 |
|
eythian |
ah, it's cos you can change the code |
| 02:16 |
|
jcamins |
I think that should say "if you change the code of an authorised value..." |
| 02:16 |
|
eythian |
so of the handful of fields, only one of them doesn't cause records using them to be updated |
| 02:16 |
|
eythian |
it should probably be moved into the edit screen, too |
| 02:17 |
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| 02:17 |
|
dcook |
Sporadic internet troubles :/ |
| 02:17 |
|
* jcamins |
observed. :P |
| 02:17 |
|
jcamins |
Are you using the web client? |
| 02:17 |
|
jcamins |
Your hostmask looks odd. |
| 02:20 |
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| 02:28 |
|
dcook |
I think I'm back now... |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
Nope, no web client. Using Xchat on my workstation. Having issues with the office link, me thinks. |
| 02:29 |
|
eythian |
bug 9299 could really do with a signoff if someone has nothing better to do, or uses LDAP. |
| 02:29 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9299 major, P3, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , for loop in Auth_with_ldap.pm requires an extended patron attribute to be set or LDAP logins fail |
| 02:33 |
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| 02:34 |
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jcamins |
Heh. I'm thinking the internet is not quite sorted. |
| 02:35 |
|
dac |
I am inclined to agree. I'll probably just log off in a minute to save you all the nuisance of my constant entry and exit :p |
| 02:36 |
|
eythian |
jcamins: say we wanted an authority search to _only_ search 690, ignoring the fact that another record might have a match in 650. How would you go about doing that? |
| 02:37 |
|
eythian |
Actually, specifically the "Search Main Headings" thing |
| 02:41 |
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jcamins |
eythian: you'd need to add an index that only searches that field. |
| 02:42 |
|
jcamins |
Something along the lines of... |
| 02:42 |
|
jcamins |
http://git.cpbibliography.com/[…]979e931b26e1c727b |
| 02:43 |
|
jcamins |
Except you'll probably not want to make a change that can only be done in the processed DOM filter. |
| 02:43 |
|
eythian |
so you add something like that, and then you add a new authority type in Koha that matches that? |
| 02:43 |
|
eythian |
I'm not sure what you mean there |
| 02:44 |
|
eythian |
(my zebra knowledge is a bit weak) |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
What are you trying to do? |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
Since you're talking about authority types, I think maybe I didn't understand. |
| 02:44 |
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eythian |
trying to figure out how hard it would be to have a search that would only search on 690. |
| 02:45 |
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jcamins |
690 is a bibliographic not authority heading field, so I thought you wanted to search for bibliographic records based on their 690 field. |
| 02:45 |
|
jcamins |
Very easy. |
| 02:45 |
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eythian |
ah right |
| 02:45 |
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| 02:45 |
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jcamins |
Actually, I have examples that are slightly less voodoo-y. |
| 02:46 |
|
jcamins |
http://git.cpbibliography.com/[…]d81aa2089ee60e2d2 |
| 02:46 |
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eythian |
I think effectively, if I can remove anything 6[^9]. from the "Search main heading" function, that would do the job. |
| 02:46 |
|
dcook |
We actually added a separate index for the 690.. |
| 02:46 |
|
dcook |
Keep meaning to submit a patch for that |
| 02:46 |
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jcamins |
I don't think we're talking about the same things. |
| 02:46 |
|
eythian |
Actually |
| 02:46 |
|
jcamins |
Because "Search main heading" and 690 fields are completely unrelated. |
| 02:47 |
|
eythian |
oh |
| 02:47 |
|
jcamins |
So, walk me through an example of what you're trying to accomplish, and I'll answer your question instead of mine. :) |
| 02:47 |
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eythian |
I can just make the linker not link the 650 stuff up |
| 02:48 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, so actually what you want is to link 690 fields but not 650s, etc.? |
| 02:48 |
|
eythian |
Well, their concern is that if you search for "archives" in "Search main heading" you get three records. Two of which have "archives" in the 650. They only want 690 to show up. |
| 02:48 |
|
eythian |
yeah. I think I was looking at it from the wrong direction |
| 02:48 |
|
jcamins |
Where do they do this "Search main heading"? |
| 02:49 |
|
jcamins |
Search main heading searches 1xx, only. |
| 02:49 |
|
eythian |
authorities/authorities-home.pl, using hte 'search main heading' tab. |
| 02:49 |
|
eythian |
oh, I short-cutted |
| 02:49 |
|
eythian |
you get one authority record with three biblios |
| 02:49 |
|
eythian |
that probably clears it up noticably more |
| 02:50 |
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jcamins |
Ah! |
| 02:50 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, yes, you'll just have to tell the linker to skip 6[^9]. fields. |
| 02:50 |
|
eythian |
OK cool |
| 02:51 |
|
mtompset |
Well, have a great day (24 hour period), Koha. |
| 02:51 |
|
* mtompset |
leaves hopping and skipping and screaming, "It works for existing users! It works for existing users!" |
| 02:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
... |
| 02:55 |
|
eythian |
dcook: what is your 690 patch, cos I submitted one a wekk or two ago |
| 02:55 |
|
eythian |
that just adds it to the authorities linker. |
| 02:55 |
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dcook |
Mmm, this is one that Edmund wrote a little while ago |
| 02:55 |
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* dcook |
takes a look |
| 02:55 |
|
dcook |
I think it just adds it the Zebra indexes |
| 02:56 |
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* dcook |
isn't too familiar with the linker |
| 02:56 |
|
dcook |
"isn't too" = "not at all" |
| 02:57 |
|
dcook |
Yep, our patch just adds it to bib1.att, ccl.properties,record.abs, and Search.pm |
| 02:57 |
|
dcook |
Like the example that jcamins posted, me thinks |
| 02:57 |
|
dcook |
Yep. Just like that. |
| 02:58 |
|
eythian |
ah right |
| 02:58 |
|
eythian |
different from mine then :) |
| 02:58 |
|
dcook |
In other words, we attach it to an arbitrary attribute in bib1.att, link it to the label "LocalSubject" in ccl.properties, melm the 690 to "LocalSubject" (and Subject, apparently) |
| 02:59 |
|
dcook |
Then tell Search.pm to retrieve it |
| 02:59 |
|
dcook |
What's yours? |
| 02:59 |
|
wahanui |
well, yours is better actually |
| 02:59 |
|
eythian |
just allows 690 to be linked to the TOPIC_TERM authority values |
| 03:01 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, I'm not sure that I follow |
| 03:03 |
|
dcook |
bug 10308 |
| 03:03 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10308 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Authorities linker should handle the "local subject added entry" fields. |
| 03:04 |
|
eythian |
yeah, that one |
| 03:04 |
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wahanui |
yeah, that one is probably worrisome to me |
| 03:06 |
|
dcook |
I think I follow now |
| 03:06 |
|
dcook |
But...how do you "make sure your framework doesn't have 690 set up to link to |
| 03:06 |
|
dcook |
authorities (or it'll get linked as part of cataloguing.)"? |
| 03:07 |
|
eythian |
oh, that's just for testing. It's because if you tell the framework that 690 is linked, it'll do it for you, which isn't testing the linker |
| 03:08 |
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dcook |
But how do you tell the framework that it's linked? |
| 03:09 |
|
dcook |
Through the "thesaurus" field? |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
I think that's it, yeah |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
yep, it is |
| 03:11 |
|
dcook |
So when you run that linker script, it updates the framework? |
| 03:11 |
|
eythian |
no |
| 03:11 |
|
dcook |
It sets up the $9 to link the bib and authority? |
| 03:11 |
|
eythian |
yep |
| 03:12 |
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dcook |
Why would having a value in the thesaurus field change that? |
| 03:12 |
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eythian |
it doesn't, but if the framework was set up with a thesaurus, the process of cataloguing will create the link for you, so the linker does nothing |
| 03:13 |
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dcook |
Mmm, I see what you're saying now |
| 03:13 |
|
dcook |
Hence the for testing part...I gotcha |
| 03:13 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 03:13 |
|
dcook |
Thanks for enlightening me :) |
| 03:13 |
|
eythian |
np :) |
| 03:15 |
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dcook |
I find the linker syspref descriptions to be a bit...unhelpful :p |
| 03:15 |
|
dcook |
But I haven't had enough cause to really investigate yet |
| 03:15 |
|
dcook |
:/ |
| 03:25 |
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| 03:27 |
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mtj |
hi peeps, does anyone have a good file of bib records for importing into koha - with 952 items? |
| 03:28 |
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dcook |
I don't but that would be great to have and post on the wiki... |
| 03:28 |
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mtj |
ages ago, i wrote a script to generate and attach random items to bibs |
| 03:29 |
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mtj |
i wonder where the hell that is! :p |
| 03:30 |
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mtj |
dcook, if i sort one, i will :) |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
:D |
| 03:35 |
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wizzyrea |
mtj - the one in my github has items that go with the sample branches |
| 03:36 |
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wizzyrea |
https://github.com/wizzyrea/Sc[…]master/MARC21.mrc |
| 03:36 |
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wizzyrea |
^ you'll wanna download that |
| 03:36 |
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mtj |
wizzyrea++ <3 |
| 03:36 |
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wizzyrea |
science and bear both work as searches on that data. |
| 03:36 |
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wizzyrea |
:P |
| 03:36 |
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wizzyrea |
there's lots of stuff. |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
IE-- |
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| 05:09 |
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eythian |
> Error converting time/date. Value supplied: 01/91/1991, Format used: %d/%m/%Y |
| 05:09 |
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eythian |
what the I don't even... |
| 05:10 |
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dcook |
O_o |
| 05:10 |
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cjh |
lol |
| 05:10 |
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* dcook |
waves to cait |
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cait1 |
good morning #koha |
| 05:12 |
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cjh |
good night cait1 :) |
| 05:12 |
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cait1 |
night? :) |
| 05:12 |
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* cjh |
is about to wander home |
| 05:13 |
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cjh |
it is 5:15, that is night enough :) |
| 05:14 |
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cait1 |
have a nice evening :) |
| 05:15 |
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cjh |
you too... in 8 hours or so. |
| 05:15 |
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dcook |
cya cjh |
| 05:17 |
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cjh |
cya :) |
| 05:17 |
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* eythian |
wonders if I have any more cases of ninetyonember. |
| 05:17 |
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eythian |
apparently not |
| 05:20 |
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cait1 |
? |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
<eythian> > Error converting time/date. Value supplied: 01/91/1991, Format used: %d/%m/%Y |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
<eythian> what the I don't even... |
| 05:21 |
|
eythian |
for all the failings of the various MARC formats, it does have the advantage that this works: |
| 05:21 |
|
eythian |
$ cat dia_liberty.marc dia_articles.marc > dia.marc |
| 06:11 |
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cjh |
oh neat, I wasnt aware marc worked in a way that allowed cat-ing. |
| 06:11 |
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cjh |
(marc is still black magic to me) |
| 06:15 |
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dcook |
Javascript is still somewhat black magic to me |
| 06:15 |
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dcook |
But I'm building a plugin for Tinymce anyway O_O |
| 06:15 |
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dcook |
It's actually surprisingly fun... |
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reiveune |
hello |
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dcook |
hey ya reiveune |
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dcook |
wb Irma |
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cait1 |
morning all :) |
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dcook: a koha plugin? |
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dcook |
late afternoon, cait1 ^_^ |
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dcook |
cait1: Nope, it's for that side project we're doing |
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But after I'm done with this, I think I'll feel reasonably knowledgeable about doing Tinymce plugins for Koha |
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dcook |
Not that we use it that much, me thinks |
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dcook |
hey ya drojf |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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dcook |
hey marcelr |
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cait1 |
hi marcelr :) |
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hi dcook and cait1 |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
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marcelr |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
hi dcook, cait and marcelr |
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cait |
morning drojf |
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cait |
hi kathryn |
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kathryn |
hi cait :) |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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marcelr |
hi christophe_c |
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cait |
:) |
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christophe_c |
hi marcelr ;-) |
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cait |
bbl :) |
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hi |
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good morning #koha |
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marcelr |
hi francharb |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
hey, gaetan_B |
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marcelr |
hi gaetan_B |
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marcelr |
any news wahanui? |
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marcelr |
:) |
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* marcelr |
posted a question on a pushed bug report, bug 7718 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7718 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Remove itemnumber column from serials table |
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and wonders if it gets noticed |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
for some unknown reason my compuer decided to restart? |
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kf |
bug 9999 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9999 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Reconstruct pref values via action_logs |
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kf |
after i clicked on a link |
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marcelr |
hope it was not the link to bug 9999 :) |
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kf |
that was just for testing :) |
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marcelr |
nice bug |
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rangi |
heh fridolyn is answering mails from october last year |
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kf |
maybe he is going back in time? :) |
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cjh |
finally found some time to catch up on rmaint for 3.8.x \o/ |
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kf |
cjh++ :) |
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cjh |
after jenkins gives me the good news I think it will be time for bed. |
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gives up waiting and crawls into bed |
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kf |
wise :) |
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gaetan_B |
i am trying to edit the community wiki |
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gaetan_B |
to add an handy way of having a more multilingual opac |
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gaetan_B |
but i keep getting an internal error when saving |
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gaetan_B |
any idea what is going on ? |
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gaetan_B |
i get this : |
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gaetan_B |
MediaWiki internal error. |
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gaetan_B |
Exception caught inside exception handler |
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kf |
ugh |
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kf |
when you try to do what? |
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gaetan_B |
just saving the page |
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gaetan_B |
ow |
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gaetan_B |
i need to run |
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gaetan_B |
catch you later ;) ! |
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kf |
ok, cya later |
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gaetan_B |
back |
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gaetan_B |
so |
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gaetan_B |
am i the only one having troubles editing a page on the wiki ? |
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jcamins |
I can't even log into the wiki. |
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gaetan_B |
well i am still logged ine |
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gaetan_B |
i'll try logging out and back in |
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gaetan_B |
ah, now it says there seems to be a problem with my login session |
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jcamins |
We should have a bookmarklet like that for Koha. |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: Quote #229: "rangi: relax, I signed it off :)" (added by wizzyrea at 08:59 PM, January 02, 2013) |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: oh, I was going to leave a message for you with huginn to ask if there was any chance you could check what's wrong with the wiki. |
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gmcharlt |
looking |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: gaetan_B: should be better now |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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turns to looking at the *main* website |
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jcamins |
Uh-oh. Problems there too? |
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jcamins |
Oh. Ouch. |
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gmcharlt |
OOOOOOM-KIIIILLLLLERRRR! </shatner> |
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gmcharlt |
OK, better now |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell wizzyrea I think the website box needs more swap |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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gaetan_B |
thanks gmcharlt ;) |
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gaetan_B |
here's what i added, people with multiple languages on the opac might want to use this and maybe make it better : |
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gaetan_B |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]more_multilingual |
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jcamins |
gaetan_B: I have a suggestion for improvement. ;) |
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jcamins |
It would be possible to make it CSS-only with a very simple patch. |
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jcamins |
Add class="lang-xx-XX" to the body on every page. |
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gaetan_B |
oh |
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gaetan_B |
that could be welcome |
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gaetan_B |
i didn't want to touch the code |
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jcamins |
Then you don't have to worry about someone overwriting your custom JS. |
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jcamins |
:) |
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gaetan_B |
yes, or the part of the js you have to fetch from outside at the moment to be unavailable |
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jcamins |
I think jquery.cookie is in 3.12. |
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jcamins |
But I still like my suggestion. :) |
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gaetan_B |
i also favor doing it without javacript anytime |
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kf |
gaetan_B: sneaky! I did something similar but with if/else constructs... that is a lot niver |
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kf |
nicer |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10413 - Odd space character breaks translation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2c6cdd3ee78559f6a> |
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gaetan_B |
:) |
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jcamins |
Probably not the recommended way for finding duplicate authorities: grep -E "^1" auths.mrk | sort | uniq -c | grep -vE "^ *1 " | sort -nr |
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kf |
@later tell tcohen can you please consider bug 10249 for 3.12? :) |
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huginn` |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
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samueld |
hi everybody |
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jcamins: heh |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: I am trying to prepare a sample file for testing authority deduplication. |
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jcamins |
I figure a quick grep in a file containing 190k authorities should turn up something useful. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: figured -- and not actually knocking that bit of shell -- certainly is a good approximation |
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jcamins |
I suspect it's actually not far off what some of the authority control vendors do. |
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jcamins |
I think this is my favorite 150: 150 ## $a** REQUIRED FIELD ** |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: I have a question about MARC::Batch. Does ->next() create a new object, or does it reuse the existing object? |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: new record |
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jcamins |
Yay! |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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gmcharlt |
though that's determined by the decode method of method of the MARC::File::FOO class in question |
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gmcharlt |
but those all create new objects |
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* jcamins |
hums the "I hate bad data" song. |
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jcamins |
Thank goodness for strict_off. |
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jcamins |
Weird data of the day: Invalid indicators " " forced to blank. |
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jcamins |
Is there a preferred way of writing an array of MARC::Records to a file? |
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jcamins |
I usually just print ->as_usmarc(). |
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gmcharlt |
as do I |
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jcamins |
Not that I really need to worry about best practices with a script that I will run only once. |
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jcamins: quite sure that you'll need it just once? |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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jcamins |
You know, I don't feel so good about the included technology at Kohacon. |
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jcamins |
Apparently the hotel can't manage to send confirmation e-mails. |
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kf |
jcamins: the hotel? |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
I just booked the room. |
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jcamins |
And got a nice error message saying something like "Can't send e-mail failed to find template EMLMFHD Close[X]" |
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jcamins |
The Close[X] was a button. |
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kf |
oh |
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kf |
i hope it will work for me... hm. |
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jcamins |
The booking appears to have gone through okay. |
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jcamins |
It's just the confirmation message that failed. |
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pianohacker |
goood morning |
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jcamins |
Oh, yes. |
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jcamins |
Now I remember why I found working with matching rules so frustrating. |
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jcamins |
You have to restart plack every time you want to view the administration page. |
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pianohacker |
that's odd. what happens otherwise? |
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jcamins |
It doesn't work. |
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jcamins |
No errors, but also nothing saved. |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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jcamins |
Alas, no oleonard. |
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jcamins |
Gee, I really wish a TT expert like rangi or cjh was around! |
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* jcamins |
looks around hopefully. |
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rangi |
sup? |
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jcamins |
I'm wondering if there is any way to make sure that only local variables are used in a block. |
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jcamins |
I have a block that uses the [% contact %] variable. |
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jcamins |
I'd like to make sure that it doesn't fall back to the global contact variable if contact= wasn't specified when it was processed. |
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cait |
morning rangi hi all |
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jcamins |
If I have to, I'll change it to use [% contact.contact %] but I'd prefer not to dramatically change the existing templates if possible. |
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rangi |
hmmm |
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rangi |
hi cait |
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rangi |
jcamins: i dont know of a way other than dotting |
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jcamins |
Okay. That's what I'll do, then. |
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jcamins |
Actually, I just realized something. |
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jcamins |
I could do [% INCLUDE show_contact var={'contact' => ... |
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jcamins |
Thus avoiding any API changes and making it clear what I'm doing all at once. |
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rangi |
true :) |
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jcamins |
You know what? |
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jcamins |
I'm changing this API because I think the current API is dumb. |
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cait |
yay :) |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: I seek your opinion. I am working on but 10402, and my inclination is to maintain the existing acquisitions structures as-is because of the principle of least surprise. |
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jcamins |
*bug 10402 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10402 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add multiple contacts for vendors |
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jcamins |
However, the part of me that likes elegant says "why can't the existing contacts be made into the first contact entry in the new aqcontacts (or whatever) table. |
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jcamins |
" |
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jcamins |
And it says that in a quizzical tone of voice appropriate for a question. |
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cait |
hm |
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jcamins |
So my question is, what do you think on the matter? |
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cait |
something in me says having the first will make migrations easier... and it woudl be the one to use the email address from for mails etc. |
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cait |
which makes me wonder where else we are using vendor information... i think claim mails, claim letters... and? |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait. |
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* cait |
should just continue reading bug mails |
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jcamins |
cait: unfortunately we use "contact" for both vendors and patrons, which makes a quick grep rather useless. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, jcamins. |
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jcamins |
However, so far I've only found it when displaying the vendors and in notices. |
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cait |
hm maybe check the email sending for claims too |
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jcamins |
That was included in "notices." |
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jcamins |
:) |
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cait |
ok :) |
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jcamins |
But we haven't even established whether it would be worthwhile to worry about identifying where contact information is used. |
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cait |
how will you distinguish between the different contacts? |
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cait |
is there a type? or something like primary secondary? |
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jcamins |
Primary/secondary. |
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mjk |
hey there. quick question: does the barcode generator rely on some specific fons or something? i tried to create some barcodes on my test instance based on the koha live dvd and they were all garbled/blank |
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jcamins |
I believe it does, yes. |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, I don't know anything more than that, and I don't think anyone who uses the barcode printer is around. |
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mjk |
oh well |
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mtompset |
Oh yuck. Persona logins use javascript. |
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jcamins |
Wait around a few minutes, in case someone else sees your question and knows the answer. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yes. |
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mjk |
also, is there a good free z39.50 target for a/v materials? |
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jcamins |
Ooh, only tough questions from you today! |
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rangi |
or the livedvd for that matter |
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jcamins |
Or the livedvd, yeah. |
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jcamins |
It depends on what exactly you have, but generally the answer is "not really." |
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mjk |
i'm working on building a catalog for my local sciefce fiction club's 10,000+ volume library and while the TPL has been a good source of book records, nobody seems to have dvds |
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mjk |
*science |
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jcamins |
I'd see about some of the bigger/richer public library systems. |
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* wizzyrea |
waves |
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jcamins |
Minneapolis, Minute[something] etc. |
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jcamins |
Not Minneapolis. Hennepin. |
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cait |
hi wizzyrea |
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cait |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: gut reaction -- aqcontacts++ |
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mtompset |
Greetings, rangi mjk wizzyrea and gmcharlt. :) |
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mjk |
hey |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: okay, thanks. |
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gmcharlt |
hi mtompset |
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jcamins |
And if it's too messy, I'll bail and suggest that we keep one contact in aqbooksellers. |
| 21:09 |
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mjk |
personally i'm sad because so many libraies have gone over to the oclc/worldcat dark side and shut off public z39.50 access |
| 21:09 |
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jcamins |
Actually, I'm not sure it's so much shutting off public Z39.50 access as never having known how to set it up in the first place. |
| 21:11 |
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mtompset |
Why do you call it the dark side, mjk? |
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jcamins |
Because they have a bona fide Darth Vader escorted by storm troopers? |
| 21:12 |
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jcamins |
Oh, wait, that's Bowker. |
| 21:12 |
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jcamins |
Do we have anywhere in Koha that we set up both an object and it's 1-n children on the same page? |
| 21:12 |
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mjk |
because the oclc terms mean that non-member have to be prevented from getting access to machine readable records and that makes my life as a volunteer for a SF club a lot harder |
| 21:12 |
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rangi |
and elsevier |
| 21:12 |
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rangi |
mtompset: its also yucky proprietary software :) |
| 21:13 |
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mjk |
i'm especially annoyed about the university of california as their uc riverside library was a good source for SF records untul UC shut down public z39.50 access after moving to worldcat |
| 21:13 |
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mtompset |
I just started browsing their site. I see now. Never knew of these guys. |
| 21:14 |
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mtompset |
mjk: probably had to in order to keep the licensing agreement conditions. |
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jcamins |
rangi: I think Elsevier had a lion or something like that. No Darth Vader. Though they could have. |
| 21:14 |
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rangi |
true |
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mjk |
mtompset: i know. thus the people who set those licensing conditions are evil ;) |
| 21:18 |
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mtj |
mjk, you have the sympathy of many here |
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mtj |
one of the things i have never quite understood is the 'ownership' of a libraries bib/auth records?! |
| 21:22 |
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jcamins |
mtj: I shall summarize: "disputed." |
| 21:22 |
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mtj |
hmmm, yeah… :/ |
| 21:23 |
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pianohacker |
#koha: Minimum perl version requirement, currently? |
| 21:23 |
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pianohacker |
Looking to use 5.14 features |
| 21:23 |
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mjk |
i don't get it either |
| 21:23 |
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mtj |
it sees to be a grey enuff subject that libraries wont share their records, in case they breach some vague copyright |
| 21:24 |
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rangi |
pianohacker: talk to gmcharlt about what he wants to set for 3.14 |
| 21:24 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I think gmcharlt said something about upping the minimums for 3.14. |
| 21:24 |
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rangi |
its 5.10 in 3.12 |
| 21:24 |
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mjk |
actually, i have just found a way to get MARC records as text. Can Koha import text files full of marc records? |
| 21:24 |
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pianohacker |
kk, thanks |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: which features do you have in mind? |
| 21:25 |
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jcamins |
mjk: nope. You need those records in iso8406 or MARCXML. |
| 21:25 |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: when as statement modifier, would make this admin script I'm writing quite clean. Can live without them |
| 21:26 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: I thought when was removed? |
| 21:27 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: not to my knowlege, don't see anything like that in the version history |
| 21:28 |
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jcamins |
I think eythian shared an article about that. |
| 21:28 |
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gmcharlt |
perldoc as of 5.16.2 still lists it as experimental |
| 21:28 |
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jcamins |
Oh, no, different new 5.14 feature. |
| 21:28 |
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jcamins |
I remember now. |
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mjk |
oh well. thanks for the hints |
| 21:28 |
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jcamins |
It was ~~ |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: but for now, that's not enough -- need use case more compelling than that to abandon support for Debian oldstable |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: kk, makes sense |
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* pianohacker |
sadly puts the pretty syntax back in the box |
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* cait |
offers pianohacker the cookie jar |
| 21:30 |
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jcamins |
There has to be an elegant way to include N contacts related to the main object in a form . |
| 21:31 |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: ask again on May 5, 2014 ;) |
| 21:31 |
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pianohacker |
ooh, what happens then? |
| 21:32 |
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jcamins |
That was actually a question... does anyone know of an elegant way to do that? |
| 21:32 |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: that's roughly when security updates for squeeze would stop |
| 21:33 |
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pianohacker |
ahh, okay |
| 21:33 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: In terms of UI or HTML form workings? |
| 21:33 |
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jcamins |
HTML form. |
| 21:34 |
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jcamins |
I can have multiple contact_name, etc., and split it up into multiple record from the lists, or I can have contact_name_1... and a contact_count, but... |
| 21:34 |
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jcamins |
One feels that there should be an accepted and elegant way to handle this. |
| 21:35 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: The first is more common, especially in Koha, afaik |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
That'll do. |
| 21:36 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 21:36 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: You could always do it the same way addbiblio does it ;) |
| 21:36 |
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pianohacker |
but that would require dipping your hands into that massive mess of a template |
| 21:37 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: *ELEGANT*?!?!?!? |
| 21:37 |
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jcamins |
That is the first time I have ever heard of addbiblio being compared to anything like elegant. :P |
| 21:37 |
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pianohacker |
yeaaahhhhh |
| 21:38 |
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pianohacker |
the cataloging interface in general makes me sad |
| 21:38 |
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* jcamins |
too. |
| 21:38 |
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jcamins |
In fact, just thinking about it I am now sad. |
| 21:38 |
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* jcamins |
looks at the Biblionarrator editor, feels better. |
| 21:38 |
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pianohacker |
it does what it needs to, and it's gotten about twice as good as it was in the 2.2 days, but the code backing it is frightening |
| 21:39 |
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jcamins |
Very frightening, and it's not very usable. |
| 21:40 |
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gmcharlt |
and it's copied all over the place |
| 22:12 |
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rangi |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl[…]h-giants-nsa-data <-- and that is why drojf is right |
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jcamins |
Okay, is there any way to retrieve CGI parameters as an array without creating an array variable for every single parameter? |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
what is drojf right about again? |
| 22:21 |
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rangi |
not using google calendar |
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eythian |
jcamins: it was also when/given I think |
| 22:21 |
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eythian |
also, hi |
| 22:21 |
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wizzyrea |
oh. well according to that you should probably just go completely offline all the time |
| 22:22 |
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wizzyrea |
and there's probably an argument to be made for that. |
| 22:22 |
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wizzyrea |
and it's probably what they want - to cut off intelligent people from talking. |
| 22:22 |
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rangi |
nope |
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pianohacker |
eythian: Mind I ask where you saw that? |
| 22:22 |
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rangi |
according to that you should use software you can audit, or that someone else can |
| 22:22 |
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jcamins |
Bah. I lost my alternative phone. |
| 22:23 |
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eythian |
http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]ch-and-given-when <-- pianohacker |
| 22:23 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: If you run $input->param in array context it looks like it should give it to you |
| 22:24 |
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wizzyrea |
that only works if you trust the auditors. |
| 22:24 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: yeah, my workaround was to just create a temporary array. |
| 22:24 |
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jcamins |
Kinda dumb, really. |
| 22:24 |
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jcamins |
But I don't see any way around it, so I'm telling myself that "dumb is smart enough if it works." |
| 22:24 |
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jcamins |
I can't seem to find any examples of us doing this elsewhere in Koha. |
| 22:24 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: I _think_ you should be able to do it by asking for it in an arrayref constructor, or throwing it into anything that needs an array, like join or map or foreach |
| 22:25 |
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rangi |
wizzyrea: in that case, screw it, lets all just use proprietary software |
| 22:25 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: how can I persuade it that it's an arrayref constructor? |
| 22:25 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: [ $input->param( 'contact_name' ) ] should create an arrayref of all the values for contact_name |
| 22:26 |
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jcamins |
Cool! |
| 22:26 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 22:26 |
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pianohacker |
please, if another dev knows one way or another, please correct me :) |
| 22:26 |
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jcamins |
That's ever so much more elegant. |
| 22:26 |
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* jcamins |
tests. |
| 22:26 |
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jcamins |
Indeed you can. |
| 22:26 |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
| 22:26 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
| 22:27 |
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jcamins |
That was a bad test. |
| 22:27 |
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* jcamins |
tests again. |
| 22:27 |
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pianohacker |
using proper scientific methods, I see ;) |
| 22:27 |
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wizzyrea |
oy, not what I'm saying - i'm saying that people who can't audit their own security either take the risk of spying, or don't use it at all, because how can you verify the trustworthiness of an external auditor? |
| 22:27 |
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wizzyrea |
how do you know for sure they're not in bed with the spies |
| 22:28 |
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jcamins |
Okay, that was a good test, I think, and it worked. |
| 22:28 |
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wizzyrea |
^ that may sound overly paranoid. |
| 22:28 |
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rangi |
you dont just have one auditor, you have everyone |
| 22:28 |
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wizzyrea |
(she says ON THE INTERNET) |
| 22:28 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: keep in mind it doesn't have to be all or nothing, it's a continuum. |
| 22:29 |
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eythian |
you can get it to the point where you feel comfortable, if that's getting 20 people you don't know to look over it, or just relying on the fact it's public and assuming that someone who cares has. |
| 22:33 |
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wizzyrea |
open is better, we agree about that. :) |
| 22:33 |
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eythian |
s/you don't know/who don't know each other/ |
| 22:33 |
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eythian |
error between brain and keyboard... |
| 22:36 |
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pianohacker |
eythian: thanks for the article. from what I can tell, given/when should be safe to use as long as you're very unclever in their use |
| 22:37 |
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eythian |
well, if you also accept that you're going to get a warning from them. |
| 22:37 |
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pianohacker |
they themselves don't seem to be disappearing, just changing their details |
| 22:37 |
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pianohacker |
right |
| 22:37 |
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* eythian |
would like to get rid of the huge amount of runtime warnings that are currently in Koha as it is :) |
| 22:37 |
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eythian |
they hid real problems |
| 22:37 |
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eythian |
*hide |
| 22:38 |
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cait |
probably |
| 22:46 |
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* pianohacker |
decides to use it; by the time 5.18 is around, they'll have figured out what comes next |
| 22:47 |
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pianohacker |
and if it's just given/when with reduced functionality, yay |
| 22:47 |
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pianohacker |
s/around/in debian stable or testing/ |
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rangi |
i malign twitter a lot, but they did deal well with that icelandic member of parliament, and so far not cooperating with nsa |
| 23:23 |
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rangi |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/[…]b04497_story.html |
| 23:23 |
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rangi |
wow |
| 23:23 |
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rangi |
NSA reporting increasingly relies on PRISM†as its leading source of raw material, accounting for nearly 1 in 7 intelligence reports. |
| 23:24 |
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rangi |
the dude or dudess who leaked this is super brave, specially after what happened to private manning |
| 23:24 |
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wizzyrea |
no kidding |
| 23:27 |
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jcamins |
Well, this is weird. |
| 23:27 |
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jcamins |
(screenshot coming) |
| 23:28 |
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jcamins |
http://screencast.com/t/wvISCEAWPqcO |
| 23:28 |
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jcamins |
wtf is with that positioning? |
| 23:29 |
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jcamins |
Oh, I figured it out. |
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eythian |
wahanui: excuse |
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wahanui |
eythian: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down. |
| 23:30 |
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eythian |
jcamins: there's your problem. |
| 23:30 |
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jcamins |
Of course! |
| 23:31 |
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jcamins |
Ugh. |
| 23:31 |
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jcamins |
YUI-- |
| 23:31 |
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jcamins |
@karma |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (826), "oleonard" (716), and "jcamins" (594). Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-92). You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2527. |
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jcamins |
@karma yui |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Karma for "yui" has been increased 0 times and decreased 10 times for a total karma of -10. |
| 23:33 |
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dcook |
Wow, oleonard is getting up there. |
| 23:33 |
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dcook |
I seem to remember last year that rangi was way further ahead |
| 23:33 |
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jcamins |
oleonard did a bunch of Bootstrapifying. |
| 23:33 |
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dcook |
That's true. Which is gorgeous! |
| 23:33 |
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jcamins |
Seriously, YUI *sucks*. |
| 23:34 |
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dcook |
It really really does |
| 23:34 |
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jcamins |
I can't believe this was ever considered "good technology." |
| 23:34 |
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dcook |
Although I think a few features break more with Bootstrap than they did with YUI when JS is turned off... |
| 23:34 |
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wizzyrea |
such as? |
| 23:34 |
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wizzyrea |
file bugs! |
| 23:34 |
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dcook |
Z39.50 searching |
| 23:34 |
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wizzyrea |
that's important file a bug |
| 23:35 |
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dcook |
That's a good point. Sometimes, I forget to file a bug when I'm not going to fix it myself. Silly, David. |
| 23:35 |
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jcamins |
Really? I didn't think the Z39.50 search ever worked without Javascript. |
| 23:35 |
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* dcook |
goes to make sure that he's not telling fibs |
| 23:35 |
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dcook |
Oh wait |
| 23:35 |
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dcook |
Well, Z39.50 searching in acquisitions does |
| 23:35 |
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dcook |
It would probably be better to go to a model like that |
| 23:35 |
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dcook |
Rather than using the pop-up window which won't work |
| 23:35 |
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jcamins |
Oh. I don't use that. |
| 23:35 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that's a good point. |
| 23:36 |
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dcook |
Now that I think about it, YUI lets you get into the z39.50 interface that won't work. Bootstrap doesn't even let you get into the interface. So maybe the latter is better...for now. |
| 23:36 |
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cjh |
\o/ I didnt break the build |
| 23:36 |
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dcook |
Yay, cjh :D |
| 23:36 |
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jcamins |
I would like to have these boxes flow. |
| 23:36 |
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jcamins |
Does that really seem so unreasonable? |
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* jcamins |
does not think it is unreasonable, regardless how it seems. |
| 23:37 |
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dcook |
flow? |
| 23:37 |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
| 23:37 |
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jcamins |
So that they will tile nicely, and when you resize the screen there will be more of them. |
| 23:37 |
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jcamins |
etc. |
| 23:37 |
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jcamins |
YUI has taken that dream, and stomped on it. |
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dcook |
I'm more of a visual sort of person, but sounds nice? |
| 23:37 |
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jcamins |
Brutally. |
| 23:38 |
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dcook |
Mmm. YUI really does need to get nixed. |
| 23:38 |
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jcamins |
Did you see my screenshot? |
| 23:38 |
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dcook |
Ish |
| 23:38 |
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* dcook |
goes back |
| 23:38 |
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jcamins |
Now imagine the second and third contacts not being randomly placed. |
| 23:38 |
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jcamins |
That's what I want. |
| 23:38 |
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dcook |
Ohhh... |
| 23:38 |
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dcook |
Oh. |
| 23:38 |
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dcook |
Fair enough. |
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jcamins |
I guess I could do some sort of complex loop that divides them into thirds. |
| 23:39 |
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jcamins |
Sorry, sets of two. |
| 23:39 |
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jcamins |
Not sets of three. |
| 23:39 |
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jcamins |
YUI would throw a fit. |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: Why not just have a yui-main like usual then have a bunch of inline-block elements inside that? |
| 23:41 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: oh, that's what I'm going to do. |
| 23:41 |
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jcamins |
But isn't the point of having a CSS grid system that it should do this for me? |
| 23:41 |
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jcamins |
yui-u doesn't actually do anything useful that I can find. |
| 23:42 |
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jcamins |
It lets me divide a space into two columns. |
| 23:42 |
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jcamins |
But I can only have one thing in each column or it explodes. |
