| Time |
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Message |
| 00:00 |
|
trea |
that's a safe bet. |
| 00:00 |
|
eythian |
http://www.blorpy.com/post/515[…]s-a-collection-of <-- wizzyrea |
| 00:00 |
|
mtj |
haaay, i just discovered vim's :retab thingy - very handy for Koha |
| 00:01 |
|
jcamins |
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/codetables/45.html |
| 00:01 |
|
wizzyrea |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/specif[…]peccharmarc8.html |
| 00:02 |
|
wizzyrea |
ok #2 - it's a jiggly bouncy ball that kids just adore. |
| 00:02 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's not a weird toy. |
| 00:03 |
|
cjh |
man #4 is awesome! |
| 00:10 |
|
trea |
"shoots fragmentation bomb" |
| 00:10 |
|
trea |
something every child needs |
| 00:11 |
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| 00:14 |
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* wizzyrea |
shudders |
| 00:15 |
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* cjh |
knows what mini-trea is getting for xmas.... |
| 00:16 |
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| 00:20 |
|
mtj |
how do people feel about having a general tab/whitespace tidy-up, early in this release cycle? |
| 00:21 |
|
eythian |
mtj: it screws with history if you're not careful |
| 00:22 |
|
mtj |
…or at least identifing which are the worst files, for crufty whitespace |
| 00:24 |
|
mtj |
eythian, i didnt know that specifically - tho i guessed it would introduce some merge problems with older patches |
| 00:24 |
|
eythian |
it may also do that. |
| 00:27 |
|
mtj |
i'm starting to see new patches failing QA, that have cut/pasted existing glitchy lines :/ |
| 00:28 |
|
jcamins |
Are you sure that's not a good thing? |
| 00:28 |
|
eythian |
I think it is a good thing |
| 00:28 |
|
eythian |
you should clean up the stuff you're working on, at the very least. |
| 00:28 |
|
mtj |
the failing is a great thing! |
| 00:29 |
|
mtj |
…the manually tidying up the failing lines is a tedious pain |
| 00:29 |
|
eythian |
you select the stuff you modified and run it through perltidy |
| 00:29 |
|
rangi |
many many many more patches will fail if you do a mass change |
| 00:30 |
|
rangi |
and yep, its easy with vim |
| 00:30 |
|
rangi |
select a bit and perltidy it |
| 00:30 |
|
jcamins |
F6 FTW! |
| 00:31 |
|
eythian |
I have it on the same button :) |
| 00:34 |
|
mtj |
yeah, i do the same |
| 00:35 |
|
rangi |
hmm |
| 00:35 |
|
rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ug.cgi?id=8868#c7 |
| 00:35 |
|
huginn` |
Bug 8868: enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , ILS-DI: CancelHold needs to take a reserve_id |
| 00:35 |
|
rangi |
too harsh? |
| 00:37 |
|
jcamins |
eems fair. |
| 00:37 |
|
jcamins |
*Seems |
| 00:37 |
|
rangi |
cool |
| 00:39 |
|
mtj |
haay ftw, i have global/selectable whitespace stripper function() in vim |
| 00:40 |
|
mtj |
...which works well for templates files |
| 00:40 |
|
mtj |
EOL whitespace stripper, and tab replacer |
| 00:41 |
|
mtj |
^^ my other pet-peeve :) |
| 00:45 |
|
rangi |
mine is not enough sign offs :) |
| 00:45 |
|
* rangi |
cracks the whip |
| 00:45 |
|
rangi |
more work, less talk!! :-) |
| 00:46 |
|
mtj |
yes sir! |
| 00:50 |
|
* dcook |
giggles |
| 00:50 |
|
dcook |
Well, I'm not sure I'm actually capable of giggling, but...the sentiment is there nonetheless |
| 00:51 |
|
dcook |
papa++ |
| 00:52 |
|
papa |
eh, what have I done now? |
| 00:52 |
|
rangi |
lots of signoffs |
| 00:52 |
|
papa |
ah that :) |
| 00:52 |
|
dcook |
In 5 days :) |
| 00:52 |
|
papa |
you mean in 2 |
| 00:53 |
|
dcook |
Probably |
| 00:53 |
|
dcook |
Whoa... |
| 00:53 |
|
papa |
but I was cheating a bit, I picked the easy ones |
| 00:53 |
|
dcook |
I like the idea of marcflavour being called MarcFormat instead, but...that's a lot of testing... |
| 00:53 |
|
dcook |
Fair enough |
| 00:54 |
|
dcook |
I barely have time for the easy ones at the moment :S |
| 00:54 |
|
papa |
Like when it had MARC in it, i'd skip immediately :) |
| 00:54 |
|
* dcook |
looks balefully at the project that never seems to end... |
| 00:54 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 00:55 |
|
dcook |
To be honest, I'm half-tempted to install a UNIMARC system just to sign off some of those patches |
| 00:56 |
|
jcamins |
I don't think I like MarcFormat. |
| 00:56 |
|
dcook |
Oh...just noticed jcamins's offline circ patch.. |
| 00:56 |
|
dcook |
No? |
| 00:56 |
|
wahanui |
http://media.moddb.com/images/[…]33/collapsing.gif |
| 00:57 |
|
jcamins |
Technically UNIMARC has two formats, one of which is the same as the MARC21 format. |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
O_o |
| 00:57 |
|
jcamins |
The other one being for authorities, and people who are drunk. |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
o_O |
| 00:58 |
|
rangi |
:)\ |
| 00:58 |
|
rangi |
a lot of library standards feel like they were designed when people were drunk |
| 00:58 |
|
eythian |
your chin is falling off, rangi |
| 00:58 |
|
rangi |
too much drink eythian |
| 00:59 |
|
eythian |
designing library standards, are you? |
| 01:08 |
|
jcamins |
lol |
| 01:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
unimarc smells of wine. |
| 01:12 |
|
rangi |
i find unimarc more sane than marc21 actually |
| 01:13 |
|
rangi |
but then again, i find a pile of mud more sane than marc21 |
| 01:14 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: library patrons is <reply>patrons can be found here: http://notalwaysright.com/tag/library |
| 01:14 |
|
wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
*facepalm* |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
eythian: I think my happiness points just dropped :( |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
Evil humans... |
| 01:16 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: facepalm is <reply>http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg |
| 01:16 |
|
wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
They might be back up now ^_^ |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
Also, you do have a link for everything |
| 01:17 |
|
* dcook |
almost wonders if there is a link for that... |
| 01:17 |
|
eythian |
heh |
| 01:22 |
|
rangi |
jcamins: what do you think of bug 9728 |
| 01:22 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , XISBN use simple search instead of SQL |
| 01:22 |
|
rangi |
as a general idea (not the code quality or anything) |
| 01:32 |
|
jcamins |
rangi: I think it's a good idea generally. |
| 01:33 |
|
rangi |
cool |
| 01:33 |
|
rangi |
ill qa it then :) |
| 01:54 |
|
jcamins |
I have to say the Schwartzian transform may be the most cryptic pieces of code I've ever seen. |
| 01:54 |
|
jcamins |
I'm confused by the => bits in it. |
| 01:55 |
|
eythian |
there are no => bits in it |
| 01:56 |
|
pastebot |
"jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Schwartzian transform" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/49 |
| 01:56 |
|
jcamins |
Really? |
| 01:56 |
|
wahanui |
Really is off now |
| 01:56 |
|
jcamins |
^^ that's the version I'm looking at. |
| 01:58 |
|
eythian |
if it turned more of the parts into blocks, the => could go away |
| 01:58 |
|
eythian |
(keeping in mind that => eq , |
| 01:58 |
|
eythian |
) |
| 02:00 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, so basically => is like an implied } in this case? |
| 02:01 |
|
eythian |
no, it's just a comma |
| 02:01 |
|
jcamins |
Right, but I could convert those into maps using {} and no =>? |
| 02:02 |
|
eythian |
it's like map chr, @list is the same as map chr => @list |
| 02:02 |
|
eythian |
well, you'd be converting the expression into a block |
| 02:02 |
|
eythian |
so that map doesn't require the comma |
| 02:03 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, now I understand. |
| 02:03 |
|
cjh |
oh wow schwartzian in the wild |
| 02:04 |
|
jcamins |
I'm not sure it's actually necessary in this instance. |
| 02:04 |
|
jcamins |
Which is good, because I'm not convinced it's not gratuitous obfuscation. |
| 02:07 |
|
jcamins |
I'm all for efficient algorithms, but how often are you going to deduplicate an authority file? |
| 02:07 |
|
rangi |
exactly |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
theres a whole thing about premature optimisation |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PrematureOptimization |
| 02:08 |
|
jcamins |
Now I just need to find a readable way to write this. |
| 02:08 |
|
eythian |
http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]ch-and-given-when |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
eythian has the book on his shelf :) |
| 02:09 |
|
jcamins |
What's Smartmatch? |
| 02:10 |
|
cjh |
a relatively new perl operator ~~ |
| 02:10 |
|
eythian |
it's comparison using ~~ |
| 02:10 |
|
eythian |
it's only about 10 years old or so |
| 02:10 |
|
cjh |
heh |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
Ah. |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
~~ |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
I've seen that a few times. |
| 02:12 |
|
jcamins |
Actually, I just figured out my issue with the Schwartzian transform. |
| 02:12 |
|
jcamins |
It's a good algorithm to use for this, but it doesn't need to be all on one line. |
| 02:12 |
|
jcamins |
Temporary variables are okay. |
| 02:12 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 02:13 |
|
eythian |
only three uses of ~~ in koha |
| 02:15 |
|
eythian |
http://youtu.be/hFo7eJR2cvc |
| 02:16 |
|
cjh |
the 3rd movie \o/ |
| 02:29 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, question... if I am going to call one of two routines repeatedly, is it bad for me to assign a reference to that routine to a variable and use $GetRecord->($recordid)? |
| 02:30 |
|
jcamins |
$authorities ? GetAuthority($recordid) : GetBiblio($recordid) offends me, as does expanding that into a proper if. |
| 02:32 |
|
eythian |
I think it's fine to do that |
| 02:32 |
|
jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 02:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
http://io9.com/william-shatner[…]ild-thi-511210553 |
| 02:33 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: captain cook is climbing a mountain |
| 02:33 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 02:33 |
|
eythian |
oh that's totally wrong |
| 02:34 |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
| 02:34 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: forget captain cook |
| 02:34 |
|
wahanui |
eythian: I forgot captain cook |
| 02:34 |
|
wizzyrea |
captain kirk is climbing a mountain |
| 02:34 |
|
wahanui |
Why is he climbing a mountain? |
| 02:34 |
|
eythian |
much more like it |
| 02:34 |
|
cjh |
lol |
| 02:34 |
|
eythian |
post-curry brain |
| 02:35 |
|
dcook |
Mmm curry wednesday |
| 02:36 |
|
dcook |
I might have to rustle myself up some curry... |
| 02:37 |
|
jcamins |
wtf? |
| 02:37 |
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jcamins |
The ellipsis statement? |
| 02:37 |
|
jcamins |
That's... |
| 02:37 |
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jcamins |
weird. |
| 02:39 |
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eythian |
I can see the use though |
| 02:40 |
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cjh |
oh wow I have never seen that, really neat. |
| 02:41 |
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jcamins |
Okay, sanity check: scalar @weights = 5 if @weights = ( 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 )? |
| 02:41 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 02:42 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 02:44 |
|
jcamins |
... |
| 02:44 |
|
jcamins |
The Schwartzian transform has melted my brain. |
| 02:45 |
|
jcamins |
I've forgotten how to do a for loop. |
| 02:45 |
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eythian |
map { something } @list; of course |
| 02:49 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, this is confusing. |
| 02:50 |
|
jcamins |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]651;hb=HEAD#l1384 |
| 02:50 |
|
jcamins |
If I pass undef as the second and fourth arguments, shouldn't that return without doing anything? |
| 02:51 |
|
jcamins |
Or, rather, die completely. |
| 02:51 |
|
jcamins |
Since undef->fields() is undefined. |
| 02:51 |
|
eythian |
I'd expect it to throw a warn |
| 02:51 |
|
eythian |
I don't think it'd return, because the ==0 check will end up as if undef==0 which is false |
| 02:52 |
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jcamins |
But undef->fields() won't cause a Perl error? |
| 02:52 |
|
* jcamins |
will find out. |
| 02:53 |
|
jcamins |
Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at -e line 1. |
| 02:53 |
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eythian |
I don't think it'd cause it to die |
| 02:53 |
|
eythian |
yeah, but that's probably just a warn |
| 02:53 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
| 02:53 |
|
eythian |
I might be wrong though |
| 02:53 |
|
eythian |
not totally sure |
| 02:54 |
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jcamins |
No, I think you're right. |
| 02:54 |
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jcamins |
I mean, I think you should be wrong, but I think empirically I have evidence that you are rightlz |
| 02:55 |
|
cjh |
perl -e "undef->foo(); print 'made it';" # doesnt print made it |
| 02:57 |
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jcamins |
Is true greater than false in Perl? |
| 02:57 |
|
* jcamins |
will assign numeric values. |
| 02:57 |
|
jcamins |
Probably safer that way. |
| 02:59 |
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eythian |
true is non-zero, non-empty |
| 03:00 |
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jcamins |
What I'm not sure of is whether ('a' eq 'a') > ('a' eq 'b') |
| 03:00 |
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cjh |
perl -e "print 'yeap' if ((1==1)>(1==0))" |
| 03:00 |
|
eythian |
that'd be true |
| 03:00 |
|
eythian |
because the first would be '1', the second '0' |
| 03:01 |
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cjh |
perl -e "print 'OH GOD' if ((1==1)<(1==0))" |
| 03:01 |
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eythian |
wahanui: the singularity is http://i.imgur.com/RMKh9xx.jpg |
| 03:01 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 03:02 |
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cjh |
that actually exists :o http://www.olympus-global.com/[…]nr130130sz16e.jsp |
| 03:04 |
|
eythian |
actually, my camera has pet mode in it too I think. But it's mostly to make the photo look nicer I expect. |
| 03:04 |
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eythian |
It does also have a "take a photo when everyone is smiling" function. |
| 03:05 |
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wizzyrea |
...cameras do that? |
| 03:05 |
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wizzyrea |
i haven't had a proper camera in a while :P |
| 03:05 |
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| 03:06 |
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cjh |
wb. |
| 03:06 |
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eythian |
I think it even has a smile-graph, so you can wait for it to reach a particular rictus and take the photo then |
| 03:06 |
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eythian |
mostly I just leave it on the "be pretty smart and do what I want" mode. |
| 03:31 |
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jcamins |
Cool. New and spectacularly revised deduper works. |
| 03:32 |
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jcamins |
And it is, if I may say, a super deduper. |
| 03:32 |
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jcamins |
:D |
| 03:32 |
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* wizzyrea |
giggles |
| 03:32 |
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wizzyrea |
ok that was funny |
| 03:32 |
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mtj |
super dooper deduper? |
| 03:32 |
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wizzyrea |
and not just because I've been up since 2am |
| 03:32 |
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jcamins |
I know, right? |
| 03:32 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 03:32 |
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jcamins |
That was an actual good joke from me. |
| 03:33 |
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wizzyrea |
indeed! |
| 03:33 |
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* jcamins |
checks to see if armaggedon is upon us. |
| 03:33 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote add <jcamins> Cool. New and spectacularly revised deduper works. And it is, if I may say, a super deduper. |
| 03:33 |
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huginn` |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #256 added. |
| 03:33 |
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wizzyrea |
oh yeahhhhh |
| 03:33 |
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jcamins |
What's our stance on POD? |
| 03:34 |
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wizzyrea |
we like it? |
| 03:34 |
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jcamins |
Do we really put it at the end because it's "faster"? |
| 03:34 |
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wizzyrea |
oh. that. pass. |
| 03:34 |
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eythian |
that doesn't actually make sense to me |
| 03:34 |
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jcamins |
I would like to put my POD inline because then it is easy to understand what the POD is talking about. |
| 03:34 |
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jcamins |
(IMO) |
| 03:34 |
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jcamins |
For all my personal projects, that's the way I do it. |
| 03:35 |
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eythian |
perl has to scan the whole file anyway, in case you have more stuff after the POD at the end |
| 03:35 |
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eythian |
I guess unless you finish with __END__ |
| 03:35 |
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eythian |
or whatever it is |
| 03:35 |
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eythian |
but yeah, inline is better I think |
| 04:00 |
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gmcharlt |
agreed, inline |
| 04:04 |
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jcamins |
Good, because that's what I did. |
| 04:14 |
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jcamins |
And now that I have a nifty new record deduplicator, I am getting some sleep. |
| 04:14 |
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jcamins |
Good night, #koha. |
| 04:15 |
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dcook |
night, jcamins |
| 04:15 |
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eythian |
later |
| 04:18 |
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dcook |
mtj++ |
| 04:18 |
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dcook |
Thanks for rebasing that 2nd patch for 10096 |
| 04:19 |
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* dcook |
goes off to grab a late lunch... |
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eythian |
https://plus.google.com/+Yonat[…]posts/EfmdR6VWvRM <-- cjh |
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cjh |
eythian: I quite like the title http://blogs.smithsonianmag.co[…]s-of-dying-stars/ |
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cjh |
TIL: organic tyrian purple pigment can be made from the snot of the Murex snail |
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eythian |
and that's why toga praetextae were worn by people of rank. |
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eythian |
Did you skip out of your classical education, huh? |
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eythian |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn` |
eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
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eythian |
It seems to be missing the 50-70kph wind |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
hi, reiveune |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn` |
drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 15.5°C (8:42 AM CEST on June 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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Joubu |
hello #koha |
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kf |
hi Joubu |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
and hi #koha! |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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kf |
hi gaetan_B |
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hey kf :) alles klar ? |
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viel zu tun, aber ja ;) |
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samueld |
hi everybody |
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rangi |
is fridolyn catching up on mail :) |
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kf |
looks like it :) |
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kf |
hi samueld |
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rangi |
hi samueld |
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hi kf & rangi |
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Hi #koha |
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oleonard |
Hi kf |
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kf |
hi oleonard |
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tomascohen |
mornin #koha |
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Joubu |
bz is down ? |
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oleonard |
No for me Joubu |
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Joubu |
oleonard: ok ta |
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Joubu |
oleonard: ok thanks, weird! |
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Joubu |
back! :) |
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tcohen |
hi Joubu |
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Joubu |
hi tcohen |
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oleonard |
Why does the course reserves "add item" process ask if you want to change the item type, collection code, etc? |
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oleonard |
Libraries temporarily or permanently change those details when adding them to course reserves? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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jcamins |
You'd have course reserves stored in a different part of the library with different loan rules. |
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tcohen |
it makes sense oleonard, as item type is the means to change the circ rules for it |
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oleonard |
All new to me, thanks |
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oleonard |
Does it automatically revert the changes? |
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oleonard |
...when an item is removed? |
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kf |
oleonard: I think the use case here would be to mark those items temporarily for reference or only allow short loans |
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kf |
so all students of a course get a hcance to do their homework with that important book |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I'd think that the entire point of the course reserves module would be that it would be automatically reset, but... I don't actually know. |
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kf |
tcohen: around? |
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kf |
oleonard: i hope it does, like jcamins said but i haven't tested it yet :( |
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tcohen |
here |
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kf |
@later tell tcohen - could you take a look at bug 9824? The follow ups fix the labels a bit and woudl be nice to have in 3.12 |
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huginn` |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
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kf |
oh sory :) |
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tcohen |
hi kf |
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nengard |
does Koha not have a deleted authorities table? |
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nengard |
I'm not seeing one |
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oleonard |
How dare you consider deleting an authority nengard! |
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nengard |
unused authorities goofy boy :) |
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nengard |
we have deleted bibs and deleted items |
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nengard |
how dare you delete those!! |
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nengard |
:) |
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jcamins |
nengard: it does not, no. |
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kf |
sounds like not a bad idea to me |
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nengard |
bug 10417 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10417 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , keep deleted authorities |
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nengard |
:) |
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kf |
10417 already... wow |
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jcamins |
Now if only someone were interested in sponsoring that sort of development, eh? |
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oleonard |
The same deep pockets who are sponsoring the LTS version? |
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jcamins |
oleonard++ # comedy at its best |
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oleonard |
jcamins and kf: removing a changed item from a course reverts the changes you make when adding it |
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kf |
yay :) |
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jcamins |
Hooray! |
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kf |
thx for testing oleonard :) |
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kf |
oleonard++ |
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kf |
for his usual awesomeness |
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druthb |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
Thanks druthb :) |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8584: cleanup_database.pl : Add a DAYS parameter for email purges. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5248df03dd6ec8224> / Bug 7892: Open link to imported record in new tab <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]75530bbec1f11b9e5> / Bug 10015 - UniqueItemFields could have link to database documentation <http://git.koha |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: Quote #156: "druthb: I would feed wahanui a botsnack of windows 8 engineers, but they're full of fluff and not very filling. trea: like marshmallow peeps, with clip on ties." (added by wizzyrea at 02:09 PM, September 22, 2011) |
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* druthb |
chuckles |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 766: remove CGI::scrolling_list from request.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d4640fe175d739328> / Bug 10249: Fix untranslatable strings in OPAC detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ae37a6c07cad0b1c7> |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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druthb |
Hi, mtompset! |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb. |
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mtompset |
I'm still fighting the "How do sessions work?" problem in Koha. |
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mtompset |
Because just when I think I have a piece of code that should limp into working and should never see the light of day... it doesn't set the session up like I expect. :( |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: ah, yep. I see your problem. It's the fourth word in your question. |
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mtompset |
Are you stating that sessions is the wrong word, or that you agree sessions are a big pain? |
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jcamins |
No, I'm saying that "work" is overly strong. :P |
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mtompset |
fine, function? :P |
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pianohacker |
they're balanced on the precipice of "too crappy to like, not crappy enough to fix" |
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mtompset |
All I want is to get a bunch of values pushed into the DB nicely. |
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mtompset |
So that the code doesn't think the session is timedout and goes into an infinite loop of click-me to loop bliss. |
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* druthb |
drags around the conference center One More Day |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8600: (followup) remove debug logging statement <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1568cc4da51903a25> / Bug 8600: can now remove search input fields in OPAC advanced search form <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]edbfa5e231e1e19ab> |
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mtompset |
session->flush! |
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mtompset |
I think that might be it. |
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mtompset |
DUH! |
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mtompset |
Nope. :( |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9549: Show local cover images in the OPAC shelf browser <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]180e30e5e99d00032> |
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oleonard |
"universal web share icon?" Is that really a thing? http://www.flickr.com/photos/t[…]media/3137787741/ |
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* oleonard |
wonders how recognizable that really is |
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jcamins |
Never seen it before. |
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jcamins |
Apparently it's the logo of ShareThis(R). |
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* pianohacker |
discounts less and less every day that the original authors of the admin interface were on crack |
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rhcl |
looks like freenode just died |
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rhcl |
and now it's back |
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jcamins |
rhcl: they've been netsplitting like crazy. |
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rhcl |
yea, saw that yesterday, and they sent out a tech msg too |
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gmcharlt |
I get the impression they've been subject to an unusually high number of DOS attacks recently |
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rhcl |
it's unusual to see the actual server die, however |
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* oleonard |
would prefer that the "share" button have a nice style: http://screencast.com/t/0LubG8LSbsYN |
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* oleonard |
is testing Bug 9032 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Share a list (part 1: send the invitation) |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: I've seen it before ... but universal? not sure about that |
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* gmcharlt |
doesn't have any suggestions for a more universal option, though |
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gmcharlt |
nor any objections to using that icon |
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oleonard |
Hm, the Tango Desktop Project seems to be dead |
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gaetan_B |
bye |
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tcohen |
on android everything related to the action of "sharing" has that icon |
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jcamins |
tcohen: really? Huh. |
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jcamins |
I have an android phone and never noticed it. |
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* jcamins |
goes looking for the phone. |
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tcohen |
or an app from play, or something from flipboard |
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reiveune |
bye |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: I think you found a previous bug, as I copied what was already done in Auth.pm (bug 9735) |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Choose language using URL parameters in any page |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: I don't think it's a bug, actually, but only by accident |
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gmcharlt |
i.e., CGI.pm will accept either a scalar (for a single cookie) or a flat arrayref |
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tcohen |
see Auth.pm:275 |
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gmcharlt |
right, but that's the *only* spot that does it |
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gmcharlt |
at least in C4::aUTH |
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gmcharlt |
to clarify -- I do think that when the OPAC search history patch was written, it should have explicitly iniitaliized an array(ref) to keep the list of cookies |
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tcohen |
I should push it then |
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gmcharlt |
rather than doing the $cookie = [$cookie, $newcookie] form |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: push what? |
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tcohen |
the new languagecookie into the cookie array |
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gmcharlt |
ah, right |
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gmcharlt |
(although at that point in the code, $cookie could either be a scalar *or* a listref) |
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gmcharlt |
so you'd either have to test for both cases, or do a bit of cleanup |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: the cookie method returns an arrayref? |
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tcohen |
listref |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: $cgi->cookie('foo') just returns a scalar |
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jcamins |
tcohen: Esta tierra es mia... does that refer to the planet or a garden (for example)? |
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tcohen |
maybe both, I suggest the second |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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tcohen |
what are u reading jcamins ? |
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jcamins |
In English the second made sense, but I wanted to check that it would in Spanish too. :) |
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jcamins |
Film posters! |
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jcamins |
This is a Russian poster for an Argentinian film. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: so we don't have to recognize you as the Planetary Emporer just yet? ;) |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: hmmm... I guess not yet. |
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tcohen |
"land" |
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tcohen |
I'd translate as 'land' |
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rgoldman |
are there 3rd party consultants who'll import athena records to a new koha instance - cataloged somewhere? |
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Brooke |
0/ |
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jcamins |
support? |
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wahanui |
support is found at http://koha-community.org/support/ |
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jcamins |
support vendors? |
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jcamins |
paid support? |
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wahanui |
please see http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ for a list of paid Koha support vendors. |
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rgoldman |
ty |
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jcamins |
^^ there is an incomplete list of Koha support vendors. |
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Brooke |
Life support? |
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wahanui |
Life support is, like, See Brooke for AED/CPR FPR |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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rgoldman |
ok. any warning about using debian install and repo for ubuntu lts? |
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jcamins |
rgoldman: just that you should absolutely be using packages and not the tgz. |
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jcamins |
They'll work absolutely fine. |
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rgoldman |
TY jcamins. all set then. |
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jcamins |
Oh, there's a meeting in a half hour? |
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oleonard |
Another unreminded meeting. |
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drojf |
you got half an hour to send a reminder :P |
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oleonard |
What was the big deal we didn't vote on last time because no one was around? |
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gmcharlt |
version numbers? |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
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jcamins |
And please note I am not presenting the proposal. |
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jcamins |
I put it on the stupid agenda because people seemed to think it mattered at all. |
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jcamins |
(the agenda was not stupid prior to its addition, of course) |
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* oleonard |
can tell jcamins is excited about the whole idea |
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jcamins |
lol |
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* gmcharlt |
thinks that folks who are actively advocating for a position, or for discussion or votes, should be the ones to put things on the agenda |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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tcohen |
what's the meeting about? |
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gmcharlt |
if a given idea doesn't have a champion who is invested enough to at least do that, perhaps it doesn't belong |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: if I hadn't been RM, I would've just unsubscribed from koha-devel. |
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jcamins |
Since I was RM, I said "I'll put it on the agenda, now stop bothering me." |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: just a general one |
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gmcharlt |
agenda at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_5_June_2013 |
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tcohen |
we should ask badPaul to make the proposal |
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jcamins |
His time is too valuable. |
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tcohen |
the only thing I care and no other cares is the debian packages naming |
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tcohen |
:-P |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: would CGI.pm flaten an listref containing only one cookie? (looking for the simplest way of handling this) |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: yes, that woudl work as far as CGI.pm is concerned |
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gmcharlt |
one caveat: there is likely some random code scattered throughout that tries to do stuff with the $cookie returned by get_template_and_user |
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gmcharlt |
hmm |
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tcohen |
I'll add a check and return the scalar then |
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tcohen |
that's source for other troubles, right? |
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gmcharlt |
potentially, yes |
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* tcohen |
meant already present potential problems |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: yeah, I have a nasty feeling that I've opened up a mare's nest underneath you |
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gmcharlt |
sorry about that |
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* Brooke |
gets the horsemeat grinder out... |
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tcohen |
I'll provide a followup for this specific bug, and do some research through the code |
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gmcharlt |
great |
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tcohen |
this looks ugly, right?: ref($cookie) eq 'ARRAY' |
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jcamins |
Usually one doesn't use parentheses with ref. |
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gmcharlt |
other than the parentheses, while it may be ugly, it's canonical ugliness ;) |
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* Brooke |
is non canonically appealing. |
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* mtompset |
continues to bash his brains against the sessionID cookie authentication madness he is tinkering with. |
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pianohacker |
'sub isarrayref { eval { @{ shift } }; return $@ }' |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
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mtompset |
Umm... why that ugly function... isn't there a ref($shift) eq 'ARRAY' type check? |
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jcamins |
lol |
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pianohacker |
curses, !$@ |
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pianohacker |
mtompset: yes, absolutely |
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pianohacker |
this gets you more perl hacker points though |
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jcamins |
pianohacker++ # "curses, !$@" may be the greatest line ever |
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tcohen |
pianohacker++ |
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gmcharlt |
Tim Toady -- the game whereby you can faintly disturb any YAPH on a whim |
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pianohacker |
hehe |
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pianohacker |
when your code looks like Popeye dialog, you're having a Perl kind of day |
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Brooke |
uguuguguguug |
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Brooke |
ooooh Kiwis |
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JDatTeTakere |
Sleepy Kiwis. Only 6am. |
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Brooke |
that's why I'm ooohing and ahhing ;) |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: would you take a look at the followup? |
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gmcharlt |
sure |
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JDatTeTakere |
Too cold to get up and make coffee in Levin, NZ |
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Brooke |
you should get a Yank What Does. I've heard they come cheap in the 'Nua |
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JDatTeTakere |
A Yank what does? |
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gmcharlt |
#startmeeting Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013 |
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huginn` |
Meeting started Wed Jun 5 18:05:20 2013 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn` |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
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huginn` |
The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_meeting__5_june_2013' |
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gmcharlt |
#info agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_5_June_2013 |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
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gmcharlt |
#info Galen Charlton, Equinox Software, 3.14 RM |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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nancyk |
#info nancyk Washoe County Library System KohaCon13 Chair |
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tcohen |
#info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba, Argentina |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
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JDatTeTakere |
info#Joanne Dillon (JD) at TeTakere, Levin, NZ |
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jcamins |
#info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, and (past) RM for 3.12 |
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mduncan |
#info Margo Duncan, University of Texas at Tyler, Muntz Library |
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pianohacker |
#info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions |
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drojf |
#info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin |
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davidnind |
#info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
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gmcharlt |
ko |
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gmcharlt |
ok |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
| 18:08 |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
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gmcharlt |
two minutes for folks to chime in with Koha-related annoucnements |
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jcamins |
#info 3.12.0 was released on May 19 |
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edveal |
#info Ed Veal, ByWater |
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cait |
jcamins++ :) |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins++ |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Update on Koha 3.8 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Koha 3.8 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
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mtompset |
#info Mark Tompsett, Canada |
| 18:11 |
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gmcharlt |
#info Koha 3.8.13 was released on 2013-05-23 |
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Brooke |
thanks folks that contributed we <3 you |
| 18:11 |
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rhcl |
#info rhcl = Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library (I'm just here to watch the big dogs) |
| 18:12 |
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gmcharlt |
3.8.13 was rangi's last release as 3.8 RMaint |
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gmcharlt |
rangi++ |
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tcohen |
UNC <3 3.8.x and rangis' work |
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tcohen |
rangi++ |
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cait |
rangi++ :) |
| 18:12 |
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gmcharlt |
cjh is now the current 3.8 RMaint |
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gmcharlt |
looks like his nick is idling, so I'll move on |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Update on Koha 3.10 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Koha 3.10 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
| 18:13 |
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gmcharlt |
#info Koha 3.10.6 was released on 2013-05-23 |
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gmcharlt |
3.10.6 was rangi's last release as 3.10 RMaint |
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gmcharlt |
rangi++ # I'm sensing a pattern here |
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cait |
rangi++ :) no surprise |
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gmcharlt |
and bgkriegel is the current RMaint for 3.10 |
| 18:15 |
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gmcharlt |
and is not here, so... |
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mtompset |
rangi++ |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Update on Koha 3.12 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Koha 3.12 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
| 18:15 |
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tcohen |
wait |
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gmcharlt |
hmm? |
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tcohen |
bug 10367 was pushed by eythian during packages build |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy |
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tcohen |
post-release |
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tcohen |
for both 3.10 and 3.12 |
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tcohen |
to support debian wheezy |
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tcohen |
just wanted to note that |
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gmcharlt |
#info 3.12.0 was released on 2013-05-19 |
| 18:17 |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: any parting comments? |
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jcamins |
I don't think so. |
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jcamins |
I think we came together to produce a nice, stable release. |
| 18:17 |
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jcamins |
And, well done all. |
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tcohen |
jcamins++ |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins++ |
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oleonard |
all++ |
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cait |
jcamins++ :) |
| 18:18 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: any comments regarding the upcoming 3.12.1? |
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mtompset |
nice PDF release notes. :) |
| 18:18 |
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mtompset |
jcamins++ |
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bag |
#info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
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tcohen |
3.no comments now |
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tcohen |
sorry |
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gmcharlt |
no problem |
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tcohen |
I want to say I'll do my best |
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gmcharlt |
moving on |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Update on Koha 3.14 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Koha 3.14 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
| 18:20 |
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gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt has started pushing patches |
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cait |
yay! |
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drojf |
are we there yet? |
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gmcharlt |
#info biggest one so far is one implementing a course reserves feature |
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gmcharlt |
#info We need more folks testing and signing off on patches |
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* cait |
agrees with gmcharlt |
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cait |
and please if you can run the test suite |
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cait |
and take a look at the coding guidelines :) |
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gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt will be starting conversations with the folks who thus far have expressed interest in being module maintainers |
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gmcharlt |
any questions? |
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tcohen |
how many module mantainers have postulated? |
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gmcharlt |
I think two, maybe three people have expressed interest |
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cait |
could you summarize quickly what the task of the module maintainers will be? |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
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gmcharlt |
a module maintainer would be somebody who is expert in a module and who takes responsibility for maintaining a tree of vetted patches related to that module |
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gmcharlt |
and (ideally) who also takes some responsibility for wrangling bugs related to that module |
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gmcharlt |
as well as doing QA for that module |
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oleonard |
"maintaining a tree of vetted patches?" |
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gmcharlt |
my idea is ultimately that the RM would be able to start pulling branches from the module maintainer's trees |
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cait |
same question here |
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gmcharlt |
rather than focusing on each and every bug that passes QA |
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tcohen |
a benevolent dictator |
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gmcharlt |
and even longer-term goal, depending on how things work out, is that module maintainers would get the ability to push directly to master for patches related to their modules |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: linux-ish setup? |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: yes |
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Brooke |
gmcharlt++ |
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pianohacker |
sounds like a good plan |
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gmcharlt |
a good experiment, I hope, at least |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt++ |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: is there any listing/volunteer page for module maintainers? |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: not yet; I'll need to trawl through the list archives |
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gmcharlt |
to set one up |
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gmcharlt |
folks who are intersted can also contact me directly, of course |
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pianohacker |
okay, just curious |
| 18:30 |
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gmcharlt |
any other questions regarding 3.14? |
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tcohen |
no quesitons here |
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gmcharlt |
ok, moving on |
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gmcharlt |
#topic KohaCon 2013 |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 2013 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
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nancyk |
Koha reservation page has been fixed, thanks to Liz |
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nancyk |
Call for sponsors is going out later today, as are presentation confirmations |
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cait |
nancyk++ |
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nancyk |
Digital flier inviting people to the conference will be out next week |
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nancyk |
Anyone have any questions or suggestions? |
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gmcharlt |
#info Koha reservation page has been fixed, thanks to Liz; Call for sponsors is going out later today, as are presentation confirmations; Digital flier inviting people to the conference will be out next week; |
| 18:33 |
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thd |
To whom is the digital flier being sent? |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
nancyk: thx for all your work, really looking forward to kohacon :) |
| 18:34 |
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nancyk |
thanks |
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nancyk |
Fliers will go to library groups, and anywhere I can get them |
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tcohen |
nancyk: how is the room reservation count going? did we reach the goal? |
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nancyk |
Things are moving along very well |
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nancyk |
We have 64 registered, but not at the hotel yet |
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nancyk |
Some are waiting for their fiscal year to turn over |
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nancyk |
that's all for now |
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gmcharlt |
nancyk++ |
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cait |
nancyk++ |
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tcohen |
nancyk++ |
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thd |
nancyk: What address can be used to confirm registrations? |
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nancyk |
I am sending them out personally, so everyone should have one as of today. Use my email for probs |
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nancyk |
nkeener washoecounty.us |
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gmcharlt |
#topic KohaCon 2014 |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 2014 (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
| 18:38 |
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gmcharlt |
on the agenda there's a question about whether we've sent out a call for potential host sites |
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gmcharlt |
I don't think it has, so who wants to volunteer to put out a call for proposals to host KohaCon in 2014? |
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drojf |
i can do that. probably not today but in the next days# |
| 18:40 |
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gmcharlt |
#action drojf will put out a call for proposals to host KohaCon in 2014 |
| 18:40 |
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cait |
drojf++ |
| 18:40 |
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gmcharlt |
moving on |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Version numbering |
| 18:40 |
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Topic for #koha is now Version numbering (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
| 18:41 |
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gmcharlt |
does anybody wish to adopt this agenda item? |
| 18:42 |
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pianohacker |
everyone has an opinion, nobody wants to take responsibility for starting the discussion |
| 18:42 |
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thd |
I just want the question to be clear. |
| 18:42 |
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oleonard |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_5_June_2013 |
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oleonard |
If no one wants to raise the issue and advocate the position I suggest we move on. |
| 18:43 |
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thd |
pianohacker: The discussion has been had at more length than many thought worthwhile. |
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pianohacker |
thd: Yeah, that was my understanding. Bikeshedded |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
so can we move on? :) |
| 18:43 |
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pianohacker |
yup, vote to move on |
| 18:44 |
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gmcharlt |
admittedly, this only delays the question -- but I suggest that version number questions be restricted to the period when roles for the next release are being considered |
| 18:44 |
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thd |
oleonard: If we move on then how has the issue been settled or has the issue been dropped? |
| 18:44 |
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oleonard |
thd: With no one here to advocate for a change there is no reason to discuss it |
| 18:45 |
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drojf |
thd: put it on the agenda for another meeting and it is back. i guess |
| 18:45 |
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pianohacker |
so dropped, with the release after pi continuing the trend and being 3.16 |
| 18:45 |
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cait |
we are going to have 3.14 (codename pi) |
| 18:45 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: or, more precisely, dropped and no decision made. There has been no solid proposal, just a lot of paint. |
| 18:45 |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: I'd say the question is dropped for now, with the question of how to number the next release after 3.14 to be decided during the election period |
| 18:46 |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: Sounds good, let's throw that on the minutes |
| 18:46 |
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tcohen |
+1 # gmcharlt's proposal |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 18:46 |
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thd |
oleonard: As posted on the wiki agenda the issue was only to vote on a question which had already been discussed at length already on the mailing list. |
| 18:47 |
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oleonard |
+1 # gmcharlt's proposal |
| 18:47 |
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thd |
+1 # gmcharlt postponing the dullest question ever |
| 18:47 |
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gmcharlt |
#agreed Any decision on the question of how to number the version of Koha following 3.14 is deferred to the project role election period |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Action items from the 7 May 2013 meeting |
| 18:49 |
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Topic for #koha is now Action items from the 7 May 2013 meeting (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
| 18:49 |
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gmcharlt |
#info ifrst action item is Test all the things! |
| 18:49 |
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gmcharlt |
so, have all the things been tested? |
| 18:49 |
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gmcharlt |
no? |
| 18:49 |
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wahanui |
http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg |
| 18:49 |
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* cait |
reports that more testing is needed |
| 18:49 |
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gmcharlt |
cait++ |
| 18:50 |
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cait |
Test all the things! |
| 18:50 |
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tcohen |
test coverage should be improved |
| 18:51 |
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gmcharlt |
there was also an action item for BobB to test reserves |
| 18:51 |
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gmcharlt |
BobB: anything to report? |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
hm wrong time I think |
| 18:52 |
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gmcharlt |
yep |
| 18:52 |
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gmcharlt |
so moving on |
| 18:52 |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Decide time of next meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Decide time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha General Meeting, 5 June 2013) |
| 18:53 |
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gmcharlt |
going by our normal cycle, I think that would be Wednesday, 3 July 2013 |
| 18:53 |
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davidnind |
Time for next meeting would be 10:00 UTC |
| 18:53 |
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tcohen |
is there a kohacon13 planning meeting soon? |
| 18:53 |
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thd |
Wed 3 is too soon after ALA |
| 18:54 |
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nancyk |
26th of june 18UTC for KohaCon 13 planning |
| 18:54 |
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thd |
I suggest Wed. 10 July. |
| 18:55 |
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gmcharlt |
#info Next KohaCon 13 planning meeting is on 26 June 2013 at 18UTC |
| 18:55 |
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oleonard |
Either is fine with me, I don't object to the 10th. |
| 18:55 |
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gmcharlt |
ditto |
| 18:56 |
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gmcharlt |
OK, so +1/-1 for Wednesday, 10 July 2013 at 10:00 UTC+0 ? |
| 18:56 |
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tcohen |
+1 |
| 18:56 |
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oleonard |
+1 |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 18:56 |
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thd |
+1 |
| 18:56 |
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davidnind |
+1 |
| 18:56 |
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drojf |
+1 |
| 18:56 |
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mtompset |
+1 |
| 18:57 |
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JDatTeTakere |
+1 |
| 18:57 |
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gmcharlt |
#agreed Next general meeting wlll be held on Wednesday, 10 July 2013 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 18:57 |
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gmcharlt |
and ... we've run out of agenda items! |
| 18:57 |
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tcohen |
do we have a calendargoogle for koha stufF? |
| 18:58 |
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mtompset |
I'm assuming to help co-ordinate various meetings, right, tcohen? |
| 18:58 |
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thd |
tcohen: If we did that would not be a free software calendar. |
| 18:58 |
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* tcohen |
hides |
| 18:59 |
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tcohen |
I belive we could have such a tool, maybe a hosted one |
| 18:59 |
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mtompset |
If the purpose it to co-ordinate meetings, it wouldn't have to be google. The point is a generally shared calendar. |
| 18:59 |
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tcohen |
nevermind,if I come up with a proposal, I'll make it |
| 18:59 |
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drojf |
do whatever you like on google, don't make it in any way obligatory for me to use it |
| 18:59 |
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gmcharlt |
I agree that some sort of calendar would be nice |
| 18:59 |
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thd |
tcohen: I would suggest creating a comprehensive calendar page at wiki.koha-community.org instead. |
| 18:59 |
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oleonard |
MediaWiki plugin? |
| 18:59 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: perhaps talk with wizzyrea? |
| 18:59 |
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tcohen |
i'll do it |
| 19:00 |
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tcohen |
touche drojf |
| 19:00 |
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cait |
i think we have a calendar on the kc-website |
| 19:00 |
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cait |
we just don't use it very often |
| 19:00 |
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drojf |
heh |
| 19:00 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: yeah, I vaguely remember that |
| 19:00 |
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gmcharlt |
:/ |
| 19:00 |
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gmcharlt |
OK, thanks folks! |
| 19:00 |
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gmcharlt |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 5 June 2013 at 18:00 UTC |
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huginn` |
Meeting ended Wed Jun 5 19:00:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn` |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-05-18.05.html |
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huginn` |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-06-05-18.05.txt |
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huginn` |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]05-18.05.log.html |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 10 July 2013 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 19:01 |
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davidnind |
gmcharlt++ |
| 19:01 |
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cait |
gmcharlt++ |
| 19:02 |
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thd |
tcohen: As drojf stated anyone is free to start a calendar anywhere but we may already have some community resources which should serve the purpose. |
| 19:03 |
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mtompset |
I couldn't see a calendar, as I would expect a calendar, but I do see an "Events" section. |
| 19:03 |
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tcohen |
thd: if we have that resources, I'll try to focus on that for my proposal |
| 19:03 |
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tcohen |
i mentioned google calendar as i use it for my personal stuff |
| 19:03 |
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tcohen |
but agree is not the best approach |
| 19:04 |
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tcohen |
bye #Koha |
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thd |
tcohen: We have moved away from dependencies on non-free software from Google which we have had at one time. Google has a bad habit of dropping or changing features and as their implementations are not generally free software we cannot simply fork their proprietary products. |
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pianohacker |
see greader |
| 19:07 |
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thd |
s/dependencies/relying upon/ |
| 19:07 |
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jcamins |
Fortunately before he left tcohen indicated that he would look into the community's existing unused calendar tools. |
| 19:07 |
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oleonard |
And fortunately before he left he agreed that Google Calendar wasn't the best approach |
| 19:07 |
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drojf |
i have offered to end friendships for putting my data into google calendar ;) |
| 19:08 |
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thd |
:) |
| 19:09 |
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drojf |
do we still do the unwritten "not two times in a row on the same continent" thing for kohacon? |
| 19:09 |
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oleonard |
I assume so |
| 19:09 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
| 19:09 |
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jcamins |
I think it was even written somewhere. |
| 19:11 |
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gmcharlt |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]onference_Bidding woudl be the closest |
| 19:11 |
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gmcharlt |
which suggests yes, different continent |
| 19:12 |
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gmcharlt |
but (at least as written) doesn't settle on a 4 vs. 6 approach |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
4 vs 6 |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
? |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
hm it has a note at the top: N.B. This is a proposal / request for comment, it is not the will of the Community. (Yet. Bend! I has chocolate!) |
| 19:13 |
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gmcharlt |
indeed |
| 19:13 |
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gmcharlt |
maybe it's a small question? |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
i think maybe avoid the same in twice in a row |
| 19:13 |
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* gmcharlt |
favors 6 (or even 7, if somebody figured out a way to subsidize folk's travel to Antarctica) |
| 19:14 |
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cait |
and it's always going to matter who offers to host |
| 19:14 |
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* jcamins |
would favor 6. |
| 19:14 |
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jcamins |
But doesn't actually care. |
| 19:14 |
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* oleonard |
would not favor a hackfest which required the wearing of mittens |
| 19:15 |
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pianohacker |
If only because it reflects a desire to spread the travel pain around, definitely 6 |
| 19:15 |
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pianohacker |
toronto is a long way from buenos aires |
| 19:15 |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, lumping North and South America together would be a bit weird |
| 19:16 |
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pianohacker |
what else would you put together, though? |
| 19:17 |
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gmcharlt |
that's might point, I wouldn't lump |
| 19:17 |
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gmcharlt |
*my point |
| 19:17 |
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cait |
europe has the disadvantage of too many countries in not a lot of space... hard for everyone to get a turn ;) |
| 19:19 |
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drojf |
yes, we deserve to be regarded as several continents ;) |
| 19:20 |
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jcamins |
drojf: the beer continent, the cheese continent, and the salted taffey continent? |
| 19:20 |
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jcamins |
Or salted licorice. |
| 19:21 |
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* oleonard |
shudders |
| 19:21 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: it's called salmiak. |
| 19:22 |
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* jcamins |
learned this from #evergreen. |
| 19:23 |
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drojf |
and it's lovely |
| 19:24 |
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jcamins |
drojf: apparently it's very polarizing. |
| 19:24 |
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oleonard |
What directory are plugins uploaded to? |
| 19:25 |
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drojf |
jcamins: this is polarizing ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]iakki_Koskenkorva |
| 19:26 |
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jcamins |
drojf: wow. That is. |
| 19:26 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: the directory set in koha-conf.xml. |
| 19:26 |
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drojf |
we should have kohacon in finland ;) |
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| 19:27 |
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rhcl |
Thailand |
| 19:27 |
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oleonard |
Thanks jcamins |
| 19:28 |
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jcamins |
There's an Evergreen library in Finland. Not sure I know of any Koha libraries in Finland (not that this means there aren't). |
| 19:28 |
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rhcl |
nobody has talked recently of having a joint EG-Koha conference |
| 19:29 |
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jcamins |
rhcl: it would be incumbent on someone proposing to coordinate that. |
| 19:29 |
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rhcl |
above my pay grade |
| 19:33 |
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oleonard |
Coding guideline note: If you add a class to something in the template because you want it to look different, make sure that class exists in the CSS |
| 19:33 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: maybe the class was just to make it possible to customize in the future? |
| 19:34 |
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oleonard |
Or maybe it was because I typed a class I thought existed but didn't? |
| 19:34 |
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jcamins |
Or that. |
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| 19:43 |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: no no go for the omniscient, forward-planning defence |
| 19:45 |
|
* oleonard |
hops in his time machine and sets it for the future |
| 19:45 |
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* cait |
has mac n cheese yay! |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
now i wonder about the minutes :) |
| 20:09 |
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jcamins |
Me too! |
| 20:09 |
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cait |
we are too curious for our own good |
| 20:09 |
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rangi |
lol |
| 20:09 |
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rangi |
2 secs |
| 20:10 |
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rangi |
talking about hiring an in house developer |
| 20:10 |
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rangi |
apparently no ll libs do it, and community ones only ever do bugfixes |
| 20:11 |
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mtompset |
pianohacker: Alaska and Canada, because Alaska is an island in the middle of nowhere. ;) |
| 20:11 |
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rangi |
apparently marcelr, tcohen, oleonard (and all the ones i missed) dont exist |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
I think Mathieu would be a little insulted. |
| 20:12 |
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rangi |
oh yes mathieu too |
| 20:12 |
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cait |
do i have to read the whole thing? |
| 20:12 |
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cait |
or will you give a hint? |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
Wait, really? |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
3 upgrades a year is a lot? |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
about page 3 cait |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
in ils world yes |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
found it |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
thx :) |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
cait: I don't know, my stance is that minor updates should be *so* minor that you can have them monthly. |
| 20:14 |
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rangi |
oh dobrica |
| 20:14 |
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jcamins |
Yes, Dobrica. |
| 20:14 |
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rangi |
theres tons! |
| 20:14 |
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rangi |
eggs |
| 20:14 |
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rangi |
if thats the level of research the librarians there can do, .... |
| 20:14 |
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rangi |
anyway, i just felt i needed to point out that it was wrong |
| 20:15 |
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rangi |
maybe ill do a blog post |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
rangi: does it really matter? they are not using 'community koha' |
| 20:15 |
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jcamins |
Wow, what a weird word: ЛуÑии |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
lucy? |
| 20:15 |
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jcamins |
(It's "Lucia" as in "Saint Lucia") |
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| 20:15 |
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cait |
aah |
| 20:16 |
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jcamins |
cait: but it looks totally wrong as an ordinary nominative noun! It's just sitting there going "hey, what? You thought I was Russian?" |
| 20:16 |
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cait |
lol |
| 20:16 |
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rhcl |
rangi: yes |
| 20:17 |
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rhcl |
yea, we were up to talk to them a couple of years ago |
| 20:17 |
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rangi |
cait: it does when they are saying things about koha |
| 20:17 |
|
* drojf |
claims kind-of-an-inhouse-programmer status ^^ |
| 20:17 |
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cait |
rangi: yeah adding to the confusion :( |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
right time to take kids to school bbiab |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
drojf: you are totally :) |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
can I count too? bsz's own library also uses koha :) |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
hehe |
| 20:18 |
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drojf |
yay we are legion ;) |
| 20:19 |
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jcamins |
drojf: well done! That phrase gives a lot of non-native English speakers trouble. |
| 20:20 |
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drojf |
?? |
| 20:20 |
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jcamins |
"We are legion." |
| 20:21 |
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jcamins |
A lot of people think it's "We are legions" because "legion" is a singular noun. |
| 20:21 |
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drojf |
i think anonymous fixed that ;) |
| 20:21 |
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jcamins |
True of native English speakers as well, actually. |
| 20:21 |
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drojf |
you can actually say it in german too, but it is not used very often |
| 20:24 |
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cait |
:) |
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mtompset |
legion?! Is there a demonic possession somewhere? ;) |
| 20:43 |
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tcohen |
we had a legion |
| 20:44 |
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tcohen |
"The legion" |
| 20:44 |
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tcohen |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A[…]na_Davis_Cup_team |
| 20:45 |
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mtompset |
Ah... tennis team. |
| 20:46 |
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tcohen |
also an infamous legion |
| 20:50 |
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mtompset |
YES! YES! YES! |
| 20:50 |
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mtompset |
I have gotten a link to fake login as me! |
| 20:51 |
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mtompset |
Now to rip out the fake login as me and put in a login in as someone real. |
| 20:51 |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: what are you up to, anyway? |
| 20:51 |
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tcohen |
shibboleth |
| 20:51 |
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mtompset |
Okay... I've set up simple saml php... |
| 20:52 |
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mtompset |
I've got it working to test against OpenIDP |
| 20:52 |
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mtompset |
I have hacked koha to redirect to a php script I created from a copy of authenticate.php |
| 20:52 |
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mtompset |
which then calls a backchannel perl script. |
| 20:52 |
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mtompset |
and then redirects to the OPAC |
| 20:53 |
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mtompset |
I started this work based on biblibre's shibboleth hack. |
| 20:54 |
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mtompset |
Though, I think this could get integrated as a RESTFUL Login API . |
| 20:54 |
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tcohen |
do u think it is possible to do it using oerl? |
| 20:54 |
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tcohen |
perl? |
| 20:54 |
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wahanui |
perl is, like, different things to different people |
| 20:55 |
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mtompset |
Do what simplesamlphp does in perl? |
| 20:55 |
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mtompset |
Mmmmm.... I'm not going to try, if this passing stuff works. |
| 20:55 |
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tcohen |
do what that php script does |
| 20:55 |
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mtompset |
first, it does the saml authentication to the source. |
| 20:56 |
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mtompset |
upon successful authentication, it calls a "backchannel" script which sets up the user session information and returns the session id, the php script then puts the session id into the cookie and redirects to the OPAC. |
| 20:58 |
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mtompset |
I've been working off a HTML page just to avoid the session cookie from being tinkered with... but now that the link on the testing HTML page works... I can try to set it up in my hacked up OPAC and confirm it works. :) |
| 20:59 |
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tcohen |
great mtompset, congratulations |
| 20:59 |
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mtompset |
the backchannel script is currently called POST with the attributes returned by the authentication source yaml-ized. |
| 20:59 |
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mtompset |
I have code to de-yaml-ize it, and map it like the ldap stuff. |
| 21:00 |
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mtompset |
So, the login by email equivalent, except using simplesamlphp (or whatever other authenticating system), should follow from this. |
| 21:23 |
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gmcharlt |
mtompset: I know next to nothing about Shibboleth -- is it a thing with it that PHP is either required, or at least it is much easier to support using PHP? |
| 21:24 |
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mtompset |
SimpleSAMLPHP provides Shibboleth 1.3 and SAML 2.0 support rather easily, and it is available as a package under Ubuntu. I have yet to confirm it is under Debian, but I would suspect it is. |
| 21:25 |
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mtompset |
The PHP authentication hacked script I have would need to be written for the users context, but I am assuming that is do-able. |
| 21:25 |
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mtompset |
The Perl side of it will do the translation of the authenticated attributes and do the log in into Koha. |
| 21:26 |
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mtompset |
Effectively, the perl-side becomes a REST-ful API for logging in. |
| 21:27 |
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mtompset |
I still have to work out the log out part... but right now, that is low priority. :) |
| 21:27 |
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gmcharlt |
a la /svc/authentication? :) |
| 21:27 |
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pianohacker |
svc++ |
| 21:27 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but this doesn't pass a username and password. :P |
| 21:28 |
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pianohacker |
extend 'er to then |
| 21:29 |
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mtompset |
Because, unless the SAML was implemented in Perl, you won't know the password... uid is, however, a typical attribute you likely will know, as it email address. |
| 21:29 |
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mtompset |
^it^is^ |
| 21:31 |
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gmcharlt |
what about Net::SAML? |
| 21:31 |
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mtompset |
I was concerned about licensing issues, and bug fixes if it is broken, etc. etc. |
| 21:31 |
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mtompset |
SimpleSAMLPHP externally is much more active. |
| 21:32 |
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mtompset |
Net::SAML and Net::SAML2 have bad reps. :) |
| 21:33 |
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tcohen |
besides the simplesamlphp idp, why do u need to hack php? |
| 21:34 |
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mtompset |
Also, gmcharlt, svc/authentication doesn't add users. |
| 21:34 |
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mtompset |
To pass back the attributes to perl. |
| 21:36 |
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mtompset |
The SAML processing is done in the PHP, not Perl. |
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| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
pianohacker++ |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
so glad you're back. |
| 21:37 |
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pianohacker |
thanks, wizzyrea |
| 21:37 |
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pianohacker |
good to be back :) |
| 21:38 |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: is it possible to have a calendar on k-c.org? |
| 21:38 |
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mtompset |
I was just thinking that, tcohen. ;) |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
for what purpose :) |
| 21:39 |
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wizzyrea |
(the answer is yes0 |
| 21:39 |
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wizzyrea |
anything is possible |
| 21:39 |
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tcohen |
1) graphical visualization of important Koha dates |
| 21:39 |
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tcohen |
2) ical or something compatible, to have it on our smartphones or any gadget we have |
| 21:40 |
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mtompset |
(translation team meetings, general meetings, annual conference dates, etc.) |
| 21:41 |
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tcohen |
(string freeze, feature freeze, release dates, etc) |
| 21:41 |
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wizzyrea |
any other requirements? |
| 21:41 |
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tcohen |
i got hammered for proposing using evil calendar |
| 21:41 |
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jcamins |
3) so people know what to have for dinner, in case they forget that pizza is for dinner on Fridays, etc. |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
:) |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
tcohen: you live :) |
| 21:44 |
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tcohen |
:D |
| 21:44 |
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wizzyrea |
oh I don't bother saying the g word anymore |
| 21:45 |
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wizzyrea |
i use it for mail, youtube, and a little plus and that's about it. |
| 21:47 |
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tcohen |
i depend on the calendar @ work, don't forget my memory fades, as I'm 122 |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
didn't you already turn 123? |
| 21:47 |
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tcohen |
that'd be 18th june |
| 21:48 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: as a college student I can authoritatively state that pizza is for every dinner |
| 21:48 |
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pianohacker |
once thanks to a bunch of presentations I had pizza 4 days in a row |
| 21:48 |
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pianohacker |
that was... entertaining |
| 21:48 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: yeah, but it's an international phenomenon in #koha. |
| 21:48 |
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jcamins |
Ugh. I can't see the screen the glare is so bad. |
| 21:48 |
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mtompset |
Close your eyes. The reason will change. :P |
| 21:49 |
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jcamins |
I suppose it will. |
| 21:49 |
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mtompset |
I thought fish was on Fridays? Why Pizza? |
| 21:50 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: because magnuse makes pizza sound delicious. |
| 21:51 |
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mtompset |
But I though cookies were delicious. :P |
| 21:51 |
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mtompset |
^though^thought^ |
| 21:52 |
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pianohacker |
quick git trivia question; is there any way to update master to origin/master when master isn't checked out? |
| 21:52 |
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jcamins |
Aren't they both? |
| 21:52 |
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tcohen |
rangi: did you arrange this to have access to a big kitchen @ reno? |
| 21:52 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: not that I know of. You're going to have to check out master at some point. |
| 21:52 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: Curses! An extra second in my workflow! :) |
| 21:53 |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: you're not a Culture Ship Mind, you can take it ;) |
| 21:53 |
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tcohen |
doesn't git pull do that? |
| 21:54 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: no; git pull == git fetch + git merge |
| 21:54 |
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pianohacker |
hehe |
| 21:54 |
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gmcharlt |
but git merge is done on the current, checked-out branch |
| 21:54 |
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mtompset |
Goodness... I knew that. :P |
| 21:54 |
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tcohen |
i miss understood the question |
| 21:55 |
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pianohacker |
tcohen: I have branch "potato" checked out, was wondering if there was a way to update "master" to "origin/master" without checking out "master" first |
| 21:55 |
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mtompset |
wants to do a git pull without having to issue the checkout... because that might require a commit. :P |
| 21:55 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: but why would you want to update master without having it checked out? |
| 21:55 |
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mtompset |
^He wants^ |
| 21:56 |
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pianohacker |
it was an idle curiosity :) Mainly so I can get all the branches in my git repo up to date without disturbing the working tree on my demo server |
| 21:56 |
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tcohen |
http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]t-checking-it-out |
| 21:57 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: right, but that's not actually a reason to do it, just an explanation of what he's trying to do. |
| 21:57 |
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pianohacker |
thanks to the godforsaken building wifi, I can only get stuff into github by ssh reverse-forwarding to my demo server for work, pulling from my laptop to the demo server, then pushing from there |
| 21:57 |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
| 21:57 |
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pianohacker |
That somehow works in a second, though a git push directly to github takes a minute or so then fails |
| 21:58 |
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pianohacker |
don't ask me why |
| 21:58 |
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jcamins |
So why are you trying to update master on your local repo? |
| 21:58 |
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rangi |
tcohen: not yet |
| 21:58 |
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mtompset |
pianohacker: Reminds me of http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2013-04-07/ |
| 21:59 |
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pianohacker |
So I can get my github up to date |
| 21:59 |
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pianohacker |
I've already done it the sane way, this is just curiosity |
| 21:59 |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
| 21:59 |
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jcamins |
What do you keep in your master branch? |
| 22:00 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: Just upstream master |
| 22:00 |
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jcamins |
In that case, I suggest git push mycrazyremote origin/master:master |
| 22:01 |
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pianohacker |
mtompset: yeah, basically |
| 22:01 |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: Yeah |
| 22:02 |
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mtompset |
I figured as such, since you complained about that extra second in your workflow. :) |
| 22:02 |
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pianohacker |
tcohen: that looks like it would work but is crazy enough to convince me that I'm crazy |
| 22:02 |
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mtompset |
And it is the firewall, of course. :) |
| 22:02 |
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tcohen |
heh |
| 22:03 |
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pianohacker |
naw, blaming the ISP is better |
| 22:03 |
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tcohen |
infrastructure question: do we use gitosis? or gitolite? neither? |
| 22:03 |
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pianohacker |
then it's a firewall protected by several layers of useless tech support |
| 22:04 |
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rangi |
tcohen: gitolite |
| 22:05 |
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rangi |
gmcharlt and I can edit the config |
| 22:05 |
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rangi |
if you need anything |
| 22:07 |
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tcohen |
sorry, phone rangi |
| 22:07 |
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tcohen |
we are having issues |
| 22:07 |
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tcohen |
with our gitolite |
| 22:07 |
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tcohen |
(with redmine) |
| 22:08 |
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rangi |
oh? |
| 22:08 |
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pianohacker |
augh r/crappydesign is in comic sans |
| 22:08 |
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tcohen |
@ unc, we use that |
| 22:08 |
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huginn` |
tcohen: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 22:08 |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: let's think about this for a moment... |
| 22:09 |
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tcohen |
and wanted to know if updating gitolite was a pain or not |
| 22:09 |
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pianohacker |
it's appropriate, of course, but still painful |
| 22:09 |
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tcohen |
(i.e.if i have to do it or if i can delegate to the production guys) |
| 22:10 |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: are you currently using v2 or v3? |
| 22:11 |
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rangi |
tcohen: so far ive found it really painless |
| 22:11 |
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tcohen |
v2.3-35-gd59bc35 |
| 22:11 |
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tcohen |
(i didn't do the install, and they wouldn't let me maintain it, but i took control yesterday) |
| 22:12 |
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tcohen |
(after several problems related to redmine, besides being ugly) |
| 22:12 |
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wizzyrea |
tcohen - still experimental, not many events, but: http://koha-community.org/calendar/ |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: it's not painful, but personally I wouldn't delegate to anybody who wasn't reasonably famiiliar with git and git hooks |
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tcohen |
understood, thanks gmcharlt |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: you rule, you know that? |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: groovy |
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cait |
wizzyrea++ |
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wizzyrea |
naw, I just have wicked google fu :p |
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wizzyrea |
google searching. |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea++ |
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wizzyrea |
agenda? |
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wahanui |
agenda is a wiki |
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wizzyrea |
irc meeting? |
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wizzyrea |
gr. |
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wizzyrea |
theoretically we could put the agenda on the event on the calendar |
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gmcharlt |
event editnig permissions are predicated on having a WP account? |
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wizzyrea |
yep, with permissions, which is probably an argument to leave it on the wiki |
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wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/ai1e[…]445/?instance_id= |
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wizzyrea |
(for example) |
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gmcharlt |
snazzy |
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gmcharlt |
I think wiki for now, but I could imagine a grand unification project that ties both WP and Mediawiki to an LDAP directory |
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wizzyrea |
cuz'n we can do that now ;) |
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gmcharlt |
heh - http://wordpress.org/plugins/wpmuldap/ might be areason to keep it MU |
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wizzyrea |
oh all wordpress is MU now, you just have to enable it |
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wizzyrea |
(and it's still mu anyway) |
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mtompset |
MU? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... MU is a speaker, AR is a little book |
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wizzyrea |
multiuser/multiblog |
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mtompset |
I thought MU was mutual understanding. ;) |
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wizzyrea |
gr I can't work on this now but will go back to it later. |
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pianohacker |
@seen srdjan |
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huginn` |
pianohacker: I have not seen srdjan. |
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pianohacker |
Does he come on IRC at all? |
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wizzyrea |
try papa |
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wizzyrea |
@seen papa |
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huginn` |
wizzyrea: papa was last seen in #koha 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <papa> Like when it had MARC in it, i'd skip immediately :) |
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pianohacker |
Ah, thanks |
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pianohacker |
@later tell papa updated patch #1 for 10320, thanks for the feedback |
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huginn` |
pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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pianohacker |
http://www.tannr.com/herp-derp-youtube-comments/ |
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druthb |
pianohacker++ |
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pianohacker |
no-restart install for firefox, and it's... amazing |
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wizzyrea |
bug 10320 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search |
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pianohacker |
wizzyrea: First patch since I got back |
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cait |
congrats :) |
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wizzyrea |
and boy what a doozy |
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wizzyrea |
that's fantastic. |
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wizzyrea |
looks and works nicely too! |
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pianohacker |
thanks :) |
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eythian |
hi |
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rhcl |
hi |
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cait |
wizzyrea: can we get a screenshot? no overdrive in germany |
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eythian |
hi cait, what are you doing still up? |
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cait |
i was finishing my latest distance study course :) |
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eythian |
ah, cool |
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eythian |
oh, if you want some more, Catalyst did this website: https://www.open2study.com/ |
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cait |
and now i am going to bed - still curious how overdrive looks like :) |
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cait |
eythian: rangi showed me already - but i better stick to those i need for my degree for now :) |
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eythian |
that's taking the easy way out! |
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wizzyrea |
I don't have a screenshot |
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cait |
ooh |
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cait |
night all :) |
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Brooke |
o/ |
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eythian |
http://seriouslyjs.org/ <-- neat |
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tcohen |
hi eythian |
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eythian |
hello |
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wahanui |
bonjour, eythian |
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tcohen |
that's awesome eythian |
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eythian |
it really is |
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jcamins |
My brother was docked in a course in his second MA degree program at Arizona State for providing the citation to the original text of an article rather than a reproduction of the article which he had not yet received. |
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jcamins |
That's kind of absurd. |
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jcamins |
Especially since apparently the reason he lost points was "his citation was wrong." |
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jcamins |
Just when I think that faculty members should be relied upon to teach citation, someone comes along and demonstrates that librarians _are_ necessary in that connection. |
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dcook |
O_o |
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