| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:01 |
|
wizzyrea |
ty :) |
| 00:04 |
|
mtj |
hm, down for me , too :/ |
| 00:06 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's stinky, but great |
| 00:06 |
|
wizzyrea |
thanks for checking |
| 00:06 |
|
cjh |
mtj++ |
| 00:06 |
|
wizzyrea |
mtj++ |
| 00:08 |
|
mtj |
port 7000 is up.. but not doing much :/ |
| 00:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
7090 was the one I was trying |
| 00:10 |
|
mtj |
Address: nlnzcat.natlib.govt.nz |
| 00:10 |
|
mtj |
Port: 7190 |
| 00:10 |
|
mtj |
either/or… they are both down :p |
| 00:11 |
|
eythian |
7000 connects, 7090 will time out, 7190 gets connection refused. |
| 00:11 |
|
eythian |
which implies that 7190 is not correct even when things are working. |
| 00:12 |
|
mtj |
7190 was up last week, i'm sure - i tested if for dcook |
| 00:12 |
|
* wizzyrea |
goes with "it's broken" |
| 00:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
seems safe. |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
dinger :/\ |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
:/ * |
| 00:13 |
|
mtj |
http://ilbot2.kohaaloha.com/ko[…]3-04-30#i_1215202 |
| 00:13 |
|
* dcook |
almost has a mostly working z39.50 authority search :) |
| 00:13 |
|
dcook |
Search interface is working. Just looking at the import function right now... |
| 00:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
7190 is innz |
| 00:14 |
|
mtj |
Index New Zealand (INNZ) |
| 00:14 |
|
mtj |
Address: innz.natlib.govt.nz |
| 00:14 |
|
mtj |
Port: 7790 |
| 00:14 |
|
mtj |
^^ http://lianzaitsig.pbworks.com[…]ion%20Information |
| 00:14 |
|
eythian |
7790 now? |
| 00:15 |
|
eythian |
Z39.50 needs a standard port allocation. |
| 00:15 |
|
mtj |
heh, they arent big on uptime :D |
| 00:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
7190 is refused anyway |
| 00:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
same with 7790 |
| 00:16 |
|
eythian |
which is why I don't think either of those are correct, they're hitting a firewall or something |
| 00:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
well it's changed either way |
| 00:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
apparently to 7000 |
| 00:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's annoying. |
| 00:17 |
|
eythian |
I wouldn't be so sure, they're not likely to just up and change it. |
| 00:18 |
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| 00:29 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: just to make sure you're all clear, you're aware that your proposal boils down to entirely eliminating what has heretofore been called a "theme" in Koha, right? |
| 00:29 |
|
jcamins |
*we're all clear |
| 00:30 |
|
mtj |
and thats a bad thing? :) |
| 00:30 |
|
mtj |
kidding! |
| 00:32 |
|
mtj |
well... what was 'heretofore been called a "theme" in Koha' was a pretty problematic design |
| 00:32 |
|
jcamins |
I can't say I care one way or the other, but I don't think it is right to couch the proposal in terms of "let's improve Koha's theming support" when the proposal is "let's eliminate Koha's theming support." |
| 00:32 |
|
jcamins |
Because we could also simply remove all options for a "theme" and tell people to use a different opac.css and colors.css. |
| 00:33 |
|
mtj |
i think my proposed redesign is not 'entirely eliminating' at all |
| 00:34 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, just wanted to let you know how I interpreted the proposal. |
| 00:34 |
|
jcamins |
I think reorganizing generally makes sense, though. |
| 00:34 |
|
mtj |
its not eliminating it at all - it is improving it - nothing is lost |
| 00:34 |
|
jcamins |
Other than the ability to customize anything other than CSS. |
| 00:35 |
|
mtj |
ok, there's what is lost, the includes dir |
| 00:35 |
|
jcamins |
And module templates. |
| 00:35 |
|
mtj |
^^ thats lost already |
| 00:36 |
|
jcamins |
It works fine. |
| 00:36 |
|
jcamins |
We don't use them in CCSR because I spent several days integrating changes. |
| 00:36 |
|
mtj |
ah, ok |
| 00:37 |
|
mtj |
woah - so, you think its a step forward to maintain seperate module dirs, for each theme? |
| 00:37 |
|
jcamins |
No. |
| 00:38 |
|
jcamins |
I'm fine with eliminating it. |
| 00:38 |
|
mtj |
hmm, ok - i may have misread you... |
| 00:39 |
|
jcamins |
I just find it very problematic to describe it as if the proposed reorganization does not have significant functional repercussions. |
| 00:39 |
|
mtj |
ok, so tell me a better way to do it? |
| 00:41 |
|
jcamins |
A response saying "yes, I suggest that we eliminate the existing themes functionality that allows for differing templates between themes and replace it with CSS-only themes" would do it. |
| 00:41 |
|
jcamins |
Just so that everyone understands what they're voting on. |
| 00:42 |
|
mtj |
yep, thats pretty much what im suggesting :) |
| 00:42 |
|
jcamins |
Then you should let people know. :) |
| 00:43 |
|
mtj |
well, i did attempt too express all that |
| 00:43 |
|
mtj |
...in my email |
| 00:43 |
|
mtj |
sorry if you though i was not explicit enuff, about my idea |
| 00:45 |
|
mtj |
i personally think that a theming design that was any more complex than custom css and images, would be too difficult to maintain |
| 00:45 |
|
mtj |
… so i offer my idea of a redesign as an 'improvement' |
| 00:46 |
|
jcamins |
It may well be an improvement, I don't dispute that. |
| 00:47 |
|
jcamins |
But your e-mail makes it sound like our current themes can't do anything more than CSS at the moment either, which is why it troubled me. |
| 00:47 |
|
jcamins |
At least, that's how I interpreted the e-mail. |
| 00:48 |
|
mtj |
nope, our current themes allow us to do much more than css, and thats great! |
| 00:48 |
|
mtj |
...but its also a mainatainance nightmare |
| 00:49 |
|
mtj |
the main point of my redesign to to fix that mainatainance 'problem' |
| 00:50 |
|
jcamins |
Fair enough. |
| 00:50 |
|
mtj |
there is no 'couching' from me |
| 00:51 |
|
mtj |
i though i presented everything quite honestly |
| 00:59 |
|
mtj |
jcamins, the thing i am curious about is.. afaik - both the PROG and CCSR themes can be maintained by their CSS alone |
| 00:59 |
|
* dcook |
doesn't think that's quite the case atm |
| 01:00 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: nope. |
| 01:00 |
|
jcamins |
CCSR has different includes. |
| 01:00 |
|
mtj |
wel, they have sperate include dirs |
| 01:00 |
|
mtj |
yep, ok… that small point taken |
| 01:00 |
|
jcamins |
Right, that's because they require different contents. |
| 01:01 |
|
dcook |
Not that I overly want to get involved in the discussion, but I think jcamins has a point. It's worth mentioning that the directory re-structuring would allow for themes driven by CSS rather than CSS and content. |
| 01:01 |
|
jcamins |
The separate include dir isn't *required*. |
| 01:02 |
|
dcook |
khall mentioned the possibility of widgets at one point as well, which could be interesting in terms of customizability, but they would increase our use of javascript |
| 01:02 |
|
dcook |
Unless we used includes as widgets.. |
| 01:02 |
|
mtj |
so that basic issue is... is it worth the hassle of having seperate include dirs, or not? |
| 01:03 |
|
dcook |
mtj: I don't think jcamins is criticizing your idea. Rather, I think he's saying that you could just be a bit more explicit/comprehensive in your description |
| 01:03 |
|
mtj |
...is the includes dir thing a feature, or a bug? |
| 01:03 |
|
jcamins |
It's a feature, but not necessarily a good one. |
| 01:04 |
|
mtj |
dcook, i have tried to be a explicit as i can! |
| 01:04 |
|
jcamins |
Yeah, that e-mail is perfect. |
| 01:04 |
|
jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 01:05 |
|
mtj |
the accusation that i havent, is pretty offensive :/ |
| 01:05 |
|
* jcamins |
is sorry that he offended you. |
| 01:05 |
|
jcamins |
That was not his intention. |
| 01:06 |
|
mtj |
remember this is start of a discussion, pulled from my ass, on a sunday evening |
| 01:08 |
|
mtj |
ok, no probs |
| 01:09 |
|
mtj |
i have heard others recently saying, that a merging of the 2 themes, was a way forward... |
| 01:10 |
|
mtj |
(owen and kyle?) - i happen to agree, too |
| 01:10 |
|
mtj |
so my redesign idea reflects that |
| 01:11 |
|
jcamins |
I agree with taht. |
| 01:11 |
|
jcamins |
*that |
| 01:11 |
|
mtj |
so, jcamins is it a feature worth having? |
| 01:11 |
|
jcamins |
I don't know. I certainly am not working on it anymore. |
| 01:11 |
|
mtj |
..the feature of seperate include dirs, per theme? |
| 01:12 |
|
jcamins |
Right. |
| 01:12 |
|
jcamins |
After the incredible volume of complaints about my volunteering my time to get CCSR working, I am not spending any of my time that is not *very* well recompensed on this sort of project. |
| 01:13 |
|
mtj |
well, youve done a great job with the CCSR stuff, so far |
| 01:14 |
|
jcamins |
Sure, but in hindsight, that was not a good use of my time. Koha could've done without a usable mobile interface another year or two longer. |
| 01:15 |
|
jcamins |
So I'll offer a voice of support to any project that is moving forward, but nothing more than "attaboy." |
| 01:16 |
|
mtj |
oh, when i said 'merging of the 2 themes' before ^^ , i meant 'sharing as much common code between all themes' |
| 01:16 |
|
jcamins |
I know. |
| 01:16 |
|
jcamins |
I thnk that's a laudable goal. |
| 01:16 |
|
mtj |
just checking ;) |
| 01:17 |
|
mtj |
see, before your time, koha had 2 themes… with nothing shared between them |
| 01:18 |
|
mtj |
...and we bumped into many problems :) |
| 01:18 |
|
mtj |
as you might guess |
| 01:18 |
|
jcamins |
Heh. Yes. |
| 01:19 |
|
mtj |
a salesperson might describe that as a 'powerfully customisable feature' |
| 01:19 |
|
jcamins |
lol |
| 01:19 |
|
mtj |
but the reality was, it was a nitemare |
| 01:20 |
|
* wizzyrea |
maintained two themes for a while. Nightmare doesn't really begin |
| 01:21 |
|
mtj |
… so, i am speaking with some definite hindsight here, wrt: my current opinion on themes |
| 01:21 |
|
jcamins |
As I said, I don't object to the proposal at all. |
| 01:22 |
|
mtj |
''powerfully customisable' themes are a bug, disguised as a feature |
| 01:22 |
|
mtj |
cool |
| 01:25 |
|
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| 01:31 |
|
mtj |
ok, so lets put that topic aside for a while… :p |
| 01:39 |
|
wizzyrea |
does anyone else have trouble with the custom xslt stylesheets not loading the slimutils from a given URL? |
| 01:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
as in, I have edited the xsl file to import from a url, the xsl file itself is coming from a 3rd party site. |
| 01:40 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea: the one time I tried it, it worked. But that was only once. |
| 01:40 |
|
jcamins |
And quite a while ago. |
| 01:41 |
|
rangi |
http://instagram.com/p/Y80uMPRgsd/# <-- tourists |
| 01:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
I don't see a reason why this particular thing isn't working. It works with it given a path |
| 01:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
(if both the file and the slimutils are local) |
| 01:41 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea: ooh, wait... is this a recent git installation? |
| 01:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
hm no |
| 01:41 |
|
jcamins |
Hm. |
| 01:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
packages actually |
| 01:42 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, packages should work fine. |
| 01:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
lolooool |
| 01:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
anyway, the setup is like so - URL in the syspref https://dl.dropbox/therestofit |
| 01:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
url in the xsl http://url-to-running/slimutils.xsl |
| 01:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
but it claims it can't load it. |
| 01:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
but I can get it with a web browser. |
| 01:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
anyway, I'll keep poking at it. |
| 01:45 |
|
eythian |
if that dropbox url is the one you're actually using, it won't work... |
| 01:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
no |
| 01:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's not the actual url |
| 01:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/p8zxt[…]tranetResults.xsl |
| 01:46 |
|
eythian |
hmm. Possibly a cross-domain restriction? |
| 01:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
maybe. |
| 01:46 |
|
eythian |
(assuming the xslt parser implements that) |
| 01:46 |
|
rangi |
its doing it in C4/XSLT right? |
| 01:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea |
| 01:47 |
|
rangi |
should be able to throw some warns in to find out |
| 01:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
yep, i'm going to poke it |
| 01:47 |
|
rangi |
i think its the https |
| 01:47 |
|
eythian |
but you're pulling one file in from within another XSLT, right? So that might be internal to the parser. |
| 01:47 |
|
eythian |
that's also possible, yeah |
| 01:47 |
|
rangi |
ERROR: cannot verify library.plantandfood.co.nz's certificate, issued by `/C=US/O=GeoTrust, Inc./CN=RapidSSL CA': Unable to locally verify the issuer's authority. |
| 01:47 |
|
rangi |
To connect to library.plantandfood.co.nz insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'. |
| 01:47 |
|
rangi |
if i wget https://library.plantandfood.c[…]RC21slimUtils.xsl |
| 01:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
hmmmm |
| 01:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
well also the url is just wrong. anyway, I'll figure it out |
| 01:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
I really just wanted to know if anyone else had had that problem. |
| 01:48 |
|
eythian |
also, what are you trying this from? is it a server that's firewalled? |
| 01:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
since the consensus is "no it's just you, noob" it must be just me ;) |
| 01:49 |
|
rangi |
yeah thats a intranet url on the opac :) |
| 01:49 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea: I haven't tried recently, though. |
| 01:49 |
|
rangi |
https://library.plantandfood.c[…]RC21slimUtils.xsl <-- try that |
| 01:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
the user will have to, I don't have access to the dropbox. |
| 01:49 |
|
rangi |
ah ha |
| 01:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
the file is public tho |
| 01:49 |
|
rangi |
i suspect thats the problem since the thing 404s |
| 01:50 |
|
wizzyrea |
I think there are several problem.s |
| 01:50 |
|
rangi |
or put the intranet url |
| 01:50 |
|
eythian |
the one I'd start with is that 404 though |
| 01:50 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea: have you tested it with a remote stylesheet on your local VM? |
| 01:50 |
|
wizzyrea |
actually, I've proved that the file itself is ok, given a slimutil url that works |
| 01:51 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 01:51 |
|
rangi |
so they just need to fix that url |
| 02:02 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, anyone familiar with the "ImportBreeding" sub? |
| 02:02 |
|
dcook |
in Breeding.pm? |
| 02:06 |
|
* dcook |
never really thought about terms like Fall 2013 being problematic until moving hemispheres.. |
| 02:09 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: what problem have you encountered? |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
With dates or the sub? |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
:p |
| 02:10 |
|
jcamins |
The sub. |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
No real problems per se |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
The overwrite_biblio flag is...interesting though |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
We check if the biblio is already in the database then in the breeding/import pool...but only stop the process if a certain overwrite_biblio flag is provided |
| 02:11 |
|
dcook |
In the case of the z39.50 searching, we do those checks but bypass the results |
| 02:11 |
|
dcook |
Mind you, the checks are just done for things like isbn/issn/title |
| 02:11 |
|
dcook |
So it's always possible that you're actually wanting to bring in a newer bib... |
| 02:12 |
|
jcamins |
Wow. |
| 02:12 |
|
jcamins |
That's bizarre. |
| 02:12 |
|
dcook |
Well, maybe not... |
| 02:12 |
|
dcook |
If it's about showing results |
| 02:13 |
|
jcamins |
I mean the $overwrite_biblio flag generally. |
| 02:13 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, true taht |
| 02:13 |
|
dcook |
that* |
| 02:13 |
|
dcook |
Since I'm writing a new sub for importing z39.50 authorities. I don't necessarily just want to replicate existing code. Hence the scrutiny. |
| 02:26 |
|
dcook |
Hmm. Perhaps I'll leave it for now and it can be up for discussion during testing |
| 02:43 |
|
eythian |
dcook: that sub actually imports Marshall Breeding into your library. |
| 02:43 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Before I opened the file, I totally thought that might be the case ;) |
| 02:46 |
|
dcook |
I think I'm getting there...the search interface is working, the records are importing correctly into the DB... |
| 02:46 |
|
dcook |
Just need to import them into the edit authority form and maybe make a flag in the z39.50 server table to distinguish between authority and bibliographic databases |
| 03:37 |
|
dcook |
Yay! It's alive!!! |
| 03:38 |
|
dcook |
eythian: I have a few more changes to make, but I should have a testable version of the z39.50 authority searching up tomorrow :) |
| 03:38 |
|
eythian |
nice |
| 03:38 |
|
dcook |
Feedback/testing would be more than welcome :) |
| 03:40 |
|
eythian |
I might be able to do a little bit of that. Though it'd be worth a post to the list, probably a bit of interest in this sort of thing. |
| 03:42 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, we've had a few people express an interest in it. I think the function is there, but the code could probably be optimized. |
| 03:48 |
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| 03:48 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:49 |
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* dcook |
waves |
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| 04:19 |
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eythian |
wahanui: cooking help is http://awfullibrarybooks.net/kitchen-tech/ |
| 04:19 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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| 04:28 |
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zebran00b |
anybody familiar with CPAN? |
| 04:30 |
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eythian |
Yes, kinda... |
| 04:33 |
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zebran00b |
it looks like I installed CPAN under root and that's why rebuild_zebra.pl isn't running properly under kohauser |
| 04:33 |
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zebran00b |
its not really a CPAN issue so much as a permissions issue |
| 04:34 |
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| 04:34 |
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zebran00b |
so I'm trying to figure out if I need to edit the sudoer env_keep option or something else |
| 04:34 |
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eythian |
what platform are you on? |
| 04:34 |
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eythian |
and exactly what errors are you seeing? |
| 04:35 |
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zebran00b |
Debian, Koha 3.10 |
| 04:35 |
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eythian |
then why are you messing with cpan? |
| 04:35 |
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zebran00b |
when I run rebuild_zebra.pl manually as kohauser, it says Can't locate Koha/DateUtils.pm in @INC |
| 04:35 |
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eythian |
that has nothing to do with cpan. |
| 04:36 |
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eythian |
That's most likely a perl path issue. |
| 04:36 |
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eythian |
are you running from git? |
| 04:36 |
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zebran00b |
I think so |
| 04:36 |
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eythian |
OK. so, what's the command you're running that gives you that error? |
| 04:37 |
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zebran00b |
./home/koha/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a |
| 04:38 |
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eythian |
OK, so you have Koha installed into /home/koha then, so you need to tell Perl that it's there. |
| 04:38 |
|
eythian |
so like: |
| 04:38 |
|
eythian |
PERL5LIB=/home/koha /home/koha/misc/migration.... |
| 04:38 |
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eythian |
(and don't have the '.' in front of the path, that'll make things weird and you don't want that.) |
| 04:39 |
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eythian |
all this said, I would recommend that you use the packages unless you're planning on doing development. |
| 04:39 |
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eythian |
it takes care of all the paths for you |
| 04:39 |
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zebran00b |
where do I change the PATH? And if I install the package, how do I uninstall everything? |
| 04:40 |
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zebran00b |
understood about the . |
| 04:40 |
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eythian |
If you want to uninstall what you've done, you undo whatever you've done to get where you are. |
| 04:42 |
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zebran00b |
Where do I add PERL5LIB=/home/koha /home/koha/misc/migration_tools? |
| 04:43 |
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eythian |
no, the ... was to indicate that it's just continuing what you already have |
| 04:44 |
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eythian |
so where you're typing the command you gave, instead you tpye the command I gave you. |
| 04:44 |
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eythian |
It'll probably have another error, but I'd have to see it to know how to change things next. |
| 04:45 |
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zebran00b |
ah, got it |
| 04:45 |
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zebran00b |
ran it, no errors |
| 04:46 |
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eythian |
that surprises me. Did it give you output that was meaningful? |
| 04:46 |
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zebran00b |
but on the other hand, updates aren't appearing in search |
| 04:46 |
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zebran00b |
zero output |
| 04:46 |
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eythian |
actually, maybe it needs -v to give output |
| 04:46 |
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zebran00b |
just a new command line |
| 04:46 |
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eythian |
run it with -v, see what that says. |
| 04:47 |
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zebran00b |
Zebra configuration information ================================ Zebra biblio directory = /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios Zebra authorities directory = /var/lib/koha/zebradb/authorities Koha directory = /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin BIBLIONUMBER in : 999$c BIBLIOITEMNUMBER in : 999$d ================================ ==================== exporting authority ==================== Records exported: 0 Records exported: 0 ================= |
| 04:47 |
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zebran00b |
I added a new record, and I know if I run rebuild_zebra.pl under root, that new record will be indexed and appear in search results. But it doesn't if I rebuild_zebra under root. |
| 04:48 |
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zebran00b |
sorry, it doesn't if I rebuild under *kohauser* |
| 04:48 |
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zebran00b |
mistyped that last word |
| 04:48 |
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eythian |
ah right |
| 04:48 |
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eythian |
is that all of the output? |
| 04:48 |
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eythian |
it doesn't did biblios as well? |
| 04:48 |
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eythian |
use this: |
| 04:48 |
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eythian |
wahanui: paste |
| 04:48 |
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wahanui |
I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 04:49 |
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pastebot |
"zebran00b" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "PERL5LIB=/home/koha /home/koha/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a -v" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/4 |
| 04:50 |
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eythian |
OK, so you have no records in your database according to this |
| 04:50 |
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eythian |
are you sure you don't have multiple koha-conf.xml files pointing to multiple databases, and sometimes you use one, sometimes you use another? |
| 04:50 |
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zebran00b |
there's actually two, one of which is already indexed and appears in search, but it was indexed under root (discovering that's where permissions seem to be working) |
| 04:51 |
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eythian |
wait |
| 04:51 |
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eythian |
get right of -z |
| 04:51 |
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eythian |
err |
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wizzyrea |
rid* |
| 04:51 |
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eythian |
get rid |
| 04:51 |
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zebran00b |
so -b -a -v? |
| 04:51 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 04:51 |
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eythian |
-z is saying to only do new stuff |
| 04:52 |
|
pastebot |
"zebran00b" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "PERL5LIB=/home/koha /home/koha/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -v" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/5 |
| 04:53 |
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zebran00b |
very interesting |
| 04:53 |
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zebran00b |
new record still doesn't show up in OPAC search results |
| 04:53 |
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eythian |
that's more like what I'd expect |
| 04:54 |
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zebran00b |
but 2 exported now |
| 04:54 |
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eythian |
you do have your zebra daemon running? |
| 04:54 |
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zebran00b |
I believe so - how do I check that again? |
| 04:54 |
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eythian |
ps ax|grep zebra |
| 04:55 |
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pastebot |
"zebran00b" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ps ax|grep zebra" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/6 |
| 04:55 |
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zebran00b |
that look right? |
| 04:56 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 04:56 |
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eythian |
what user are you running as now? |
| 04:56 |
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eythian |
and what's the result of 'echo $KOHA_CONF'? |
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zebran00b |
current koha |
| 04:57 |
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eythian |
like, that's what comes out if you type out 'whoami'? |
| 04:57 |
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zebran00b |
whoami=koha, echo $KOHA_CONF results in a blank line! |
| 04:58 |
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eythian |
ok, the user is good, but the KOHA_CONF thing is weird |
| 04:58 |
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eythian |
you should get an error from rebuild_zebra if that's not set. |
| 04:59 |
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zebran00b |
so KOHA_CONF is set under root but not koha? |
| 04:59 |
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eythian |
well, when you ran the rebuild before, you ran it as koha right? |
| 04:59 |
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zebran00b |
yes |
| 04:59 |
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eythian |
and it clearly worked out where your koha-conf is, as it outputs the path to it |
| 04:59 |
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zebran00b |
everything during this discussion is under koha |
| 04:59 |
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zebran00b |
yup |
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eythian |
ah wait |
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eythian |
what does 'locate koha-conf.xml' give you? |
| 05:01 |
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zebran00b |
locate koha-conf.xml |
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zebran00b |
locate: can not stat () `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
| 05:01 |
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eythian |
oh |
| 05:01 |
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eythian |
then run 'sudo updatedb' |
| 05:02 |
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zebran00b |
done |
| 05:02 |
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eythian |
now try the locate again |
| 05:02 |
|
pastebot |
"zebran00b" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "locate koha-conf.xml" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/7 |
| 05:02 |
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zebran00b |
much better |
| 05:03 |
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eythian |
yeah. so you have two koha-conf files. I wonder if that's confusing things. Which one does the web side use? |
| 05:04 |
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zebran00b |
that's an excellent question! |
| 05:04 |
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eythian |
this said, I expect the zebra daemon and the rebuild-zebra to be using the same one. |
| 05:04 |
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eythian |
but it'd pay to check. |
| 05:05 |
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zebran00b |
was Koha installed twice? Should it have directories both in /etc/ and /home/? |
| 05:05 |
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zebran00b |
we're only trying to run a single instance here |
| 05:05 |
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eythian |
well, it's not uncommon. It looks like you've done an install and are also running things out of the directory you installed from. But it's hard to be sure. |
| 05:06 |
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* eythian |
recommends the packages because this is all done for you. |
| 05:07 |
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zebran00b |
yeah, I think I may just delete the whole Debian profile on my server and start from zero |
| 05:08 |
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eythian |
I can go from blank to up and running in about 30 minutes, most of which is waiting for downloads and installs. |
| 05:08 |
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eythian |
Mind you, I have done this a few times :) |
| 05:08 |
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eythian |
(using the packages, that is) |
| 05:08 |
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eythian |
it's a good time to experiment if you don't have real data in there. |
| 05:09 |
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zebran00b |
once I have LAMP running, do I need to install anything perl-related prior to using the package, or is that all baked in? |
| 05:10 |
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zebran00b |
I'm looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian and it doesn't go into prerequisites |
| 05:10 |
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eythian |
you just follow the instructions on the wiki. It's just installing koha-common and mysql-server if you want a local db server. |
| 05:10 |
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eythian |
it's because packages do that for you |
| 05:11 |
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zebran00b |
right, but I need to create a mySQL database and set up Apache before I run it |
| 05:11 |
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eythian |
nope |
| 05:11 |
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zebran00b |
really? just plain old Debian? |
| 05:11 |
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eythian |
once you've got the packages installed, you do need to a2enmod rewrite |
| 05:12 |
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eythian |
and make a file with your settings |
| 05:12 |
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eythian |
but that's about it. |
| 05:12 |
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eythian |
koha-create creates your database, sets up permissions, configures apache, etc. |
| 05:12 |
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zebran00b |
cool |
| 05:14 |
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eythian |
you need to set up some DNS to point to your server, maybe tweak the apache settings if you want something custom, but that's about it. |
| 05:14 |
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eythian |
also, there are a bunch of 'koha-*' commands to handle common tasks |
| 05:16 |
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eythian |
mtj: 3.6 is not packaged. |
| 05:17 |
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zebran00b |
nice, thanks. We'll wipe the slate and run the package. Thanks for all the help - don't be surprised if I'm here again later this week, though. |
| 05:17 |
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eythian |
sure thing :) |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
@marc 999$c |
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huginn` |
eythian: unknown tag 999$c |
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eythian |
hmph |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
quiet :) |
| 05:34 |
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cjh |
morning cait :) |
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cait |
evening cjh :) |
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cait |
mailinglists |
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wahanui |
mailinglists are mailing list. |
| 05:37 |
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cait |
mailing list |
| 05:37 |
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wahanui |
i think mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 05:39 |
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cjh |
and its home time, night #koha |
| 05:40 |
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eythian |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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cait |
still raining? |
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cait |
probably going to regret that mail |
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eythian |
hmm, I can't tell. I think it's eased off a bit. Windy with chance of earthquakes at the moment mostly. |
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cait |
ah right, I saw wizzyrea's comment on facebook |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
bonjour, reiveune |
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asaurat |
hi |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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jajm |
hello |
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wahanui |
hey, jajm |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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gaetan_B |
hello :) |
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magnuse |
bonjour gaetan_B |
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magnuse |
ooh, new release of DBIx::Class with good speed improvements! http://jjnapiorkowski.typepad.[…]-super-speed.html#.UYdYghxShhk |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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magnuse |
hiya marcelr |
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marcelr |
hi magnuse |
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huginn` |
GERMS!!!! |
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wahanui |
it has been said that germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 07:42 |
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kf |
good morning to you wahanui |
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marcelr |
hi kf |
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kf |
hi marcelr :) |
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mtj |
kf, just replied u :) |
| 08:09 |
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mtj |
eythian, did you ping me before? |
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mtj |
<eythian> [17:16:04] mtj: 3.6 is not packaged. |
| 08:13 |
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kf |
mtj: I am still not sure I understand you |
| 08:13 |
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kf |
and I am pro keeping the logic we just repaired |
| 08:13 |
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kf |
if someone wantst o take it up to use their own templates - it shoudl be their choice |
| 08:14 |
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kf |
and the community doesn't have a problem at all, as long as we don't support 2 themes officially |
| 08:14 |
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mtj |
ok, if people are ok with that… then i'm ok with that too :) |
| 08:15 |
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rangi |
im ok with a policy of supporting one theme officially and letting people do their own |
| 08:15 |
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rangi |
we have a kids theme |
| 08:15 |
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kf |
rangi: that's a cool eample why we shoudl keep it |
| 08:16 |
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rangi |
the thing that works well, is it is like the languages |
| 08:16 |
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rangi |
it falls back |
| 08:16 |
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rangi |
so you only need to change the little bits you want |
| 08:17 |
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kf |
yeah |
| 08:17 |
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rangi |
and id like to extend it so people can pick their theme int he opac, as well as language |
| 08:17 |
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kf |
I can imagina a library with some special use case that wants to change a page like th request page or similar |
| 08:17 |
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rangi |
so you can switch the opacs in the kids room to the kids theme etc |
| 08:17 |
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kf |
rangi++ |
| 08:18 |
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rangi |
you can do lots with css |
| 08:18 |
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rangi |
but not quite everything |
| 08:18 |
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rangi |
when we run html5 everywhere maybe |
| 08:19 |
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kf |
yeah but I still think it will always be a bit limited in some ways, why destroy a feature we just got back to work nicely? |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
im all for not supporting more than one officially tho |
| 08:19 |
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rangi |
because that does get hard fast |
| 08:19 |
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mtj |
hey…so someone reply to my email, and tell me to shut the f*ck up, please? :) |
| 08:19 |
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magnuse |
one theme to rule them all! |
| 08:19 |
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* rangi |
does :) |
| 08:20 |
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mtj |
cheers, very much appreciated! |
| 08:22 |
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mtj |
well, heres another good idea re: themes…. for those themes that want to, they could *choose* to symlink to the offical theme |
| 08:22 |
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rangi |
hmm what for? |
| 08:23 |
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kf |
mtj: it already falls back |
| 08:23 |
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rangi |
*nod* |
| 08:23 |
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kf |
you don't need symlinking |
| 08:23 |
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mtj |
aaah, ok |
| 08:23 |
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mtj |
problem solved |
| 08:23 |
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kf |
if you don't provide your own version of the template file, it uses the prog one |
| 08:23 |
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rangi |
you can make a theme that includes precisely one template |
| 08:23 |
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kf |
that's why it's a cool feature and probably useful :) |
| 08:23 |
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mtj |
aah, i never knew that |
| 08:23 |
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rangi |
its like the languages |
| 08:24 |
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rangi |
if it can't find one it falls back to en |
| 08:24 |
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magnuse |
that does sound excellent |
| 08:24 |
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rangi |
its useful for just changing images and stuff |
| 08:25 |
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mtj |
lol, that actually solves a bunch of my 'perceived' theme problems |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
so you can different itemtype images for different themes |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
which you cant do with css |
| 08:25 |
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rangi |
ie nice cartoon itemtype images for the kids etc |
| 08:26 |
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rangi |
you could do with jquery i guess, but youd slow the page down |
| 08:26 |
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drojf |
oh look, a themes discussion :) |
| 08:26 |
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cjh |
that is so cool |
| 08:27 |
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cjh |
having a theme depend on the logged in user or chosen branch sounds amazing. |
| 08:28 |
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drojf |
one theme per user! ;) |
| 08:29 |
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rangi |
yeah just need a cookie, just like the language easy peasy |
| 08:29 |
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rangi |
i just havent got round to it |
| 08:29 |
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marcelr |
where do we actually say which theme is the officially supported one btw? |
| 08:29 |
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cjh |
drojf: I really meant the user's category, but that isn't impossible :) |
| 08:29 |
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drojf |
cjh: i know :) |
| 08:29 |
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cjh |
drojf: I would be very impressed if my library had a theme just for me xD |
| 08:30 |
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drojf |
that would be cool, right? |
| 08:30 |
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drojf |
based on your borrowed books maybe :D |
| 08:30 |
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cjh |
and a header with my name is big bold letters |
| 08:31 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 08:32 |
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mtj |
ive been holding off submitting an OPAC theme for a while, coz i was dreading all the duplication fail |
| 08:32 |
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rangi |
even the ccsr only has a few includes different |
| 08:32 |
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mtj |
… but its nice to discover the fall-thru thing, today |
| 08:32 |
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rangi |
check it out |
| 08:33 |
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rangi |
5 includes and some css |
| 08:34 |
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rangi |
so most opac changes mean you only have to change prog |
| 08:34 |
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rangi |
its quite cool like that |
| 08:35 |
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drojf |
mtj: thanks for answering me on the mailing list :D |
| 08:35 |
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drojf |
multichannel_communication++ |
| 08:35 |
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rangi |
marcelr: we did a long time ago with the prog theme, but im not sure its written anywhere now |
| 08:36 |
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mtj |
tho, ftw, the 'lib' stuff could be moved up to a shared top-level dir? |
| 08:36 |
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rangi |
yup |
| 08:37 |
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rangi |
that would fix that for languages too, i think there is a bug/patch for that already |
| 08:38 |
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mtj |
drojf, no problemo ^^ |
| 08:42 |
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mtj |
i guess that other thing to do would be to update the prog includes dir, with the ccsr mobile stuff |
| 08:43 |
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mtj |
would be nice for the offical opac theme, to have some responsive stuff, too |
| 08:43 |
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magnuse |
i think oleonard is working on merging prog and ccsr? |
| 08:43 |
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drojf |
yeah i think that is already happening :) |
| 08:43 |
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mtj |
snap |
| 08:43 |
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drojf |
or at least planned |
| 08:44 |
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magnuse |
oh, he's working on it |
| 08:44 |
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drojf |
have a best-of-both-worlds theme |
| 08:44 |
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* magnuse |
has seen screenshots |
| 08:45 |
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kf |
mtj: he showed screenshots and said he got cart working... so I think for 3.14 :) |
| 08:47 |
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mtj |
yeah, i saw some last week too - they looked awesome |
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kf |
and using bootstrap, so i guess even better than the ccsr |
| 08:49 |
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kf |
well, in getting rid of yui that is :) |
| 08:51 |
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cjh |
\o/ |
| 08:55 |
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marcelr |
rangi: yeah, i think we should say somewhere "this is the main theme" :) |
| 09:01 |
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magnuse |
isn't the main theme just the one you get by default when you install? |
| 09:01 |
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marcelr |
should be |
| 09:02 |
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kf |
i think as we will probably remove the ccsr separate option, there might be no need to specify |
| 09:02 |
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kf |
if there is only one in the pulldown by default |
| 09:03 |
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kf |
and we could amend the description of the pref for some next release to make it clerer how it works |
| 09:03 |
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magnuse |
does anyone have experience with huge numbers of items in koha? like 1400 attached to one record for one library, and 4000 total for that record? |
| 09:04 |
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marcelr |
kf: yes, we should write it in the pref descr too |
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marcelr |
kf: opacthemes just shows all theme folders it finds |
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kf |
marcelr: true :) just meant one is going ot go away again at some time |
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drojf |
magnuse: 4000 items for one record?? what kind of record/item is that? |
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magnuse |
drojf: it's a consortium of schools, so there would be one book per student/pupil |
| 09:17 |
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drojf |
oh, i see |
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kf |
magnuse: maybe just try? |
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kf |
magnuse: you could add the items quite easily ai guess with the duplicate feature |
| 09:25 |
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magnuse |
yeah, that was not a problem at all |
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magnuse |
but now i get "zero items" in the opac... |
| 09:26 |
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kf |
hm andno link to show more? |
| 09:26 |
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kf |
i know that when there are more than x it doesn't show them all |
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kf |
if someone broke the link that would be bac |
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kf |
bad |
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magnuse |
hm, there is something weird with my demo install |
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magnuse |
all the books say no copies available |
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magnuse |
but they do show on the marc detail view |
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magnuse |
was there a bug about that? |
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rangi |
they all have a branch/itemtype set? |
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magnuse |
it was my public demo, so maybe someone experimented with the opac suppression stuff |
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magnuse |
trying another instance now |
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rangi |
ah yeah |
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rangi |
if you turn that on without one item being suppressed it does that |
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kf |
magnuse: for the school - maybe try out the new prefs for separate holdings |
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kf |
that should help a bit organising the items |
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magnuse |
ah yes, i get the "click here to see all" link when i try another instance |
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magnuse |
there are new prefs for separate holdings? |
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kf |
yes in 3.12 |
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magnuse |
ah found it |
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kf |
separate tabs for your logged in branch items and the other items |
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magnuse |
only works for logged in users, though |
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kf |
yeah, but it's still nice I guess |
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kf |
and maybe you could enhance it to take an URL parameter? |
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kf |
or cookie? |
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wahanui |
The cookie jar is on the RM's desk, so you'd better ask him about that. |
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magnuse |
that reminds me: it would be nice if you could 1) choose your branch without logging in 2) have links that choose the "active" branch when you click on them |
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magnuse |
(so when you click on a special link you get a cookie that sets your chosen library - similar to how it works for languages, i guess) |
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magnuse |
and that should automatically limit searches to your chosen library too |
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magnuse |
hm... |
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kf |
can we get a sign off on our newest evil blocker bug? |
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kf |
bug 10185 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10185 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase.pl remove all reserves |
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kf |
it also contains a fix to not kill all suspended holds on update |
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magnuse |
1400 items on one record does not seem to be a big problem, btw. it takes a while to display the whole list, of course, but circ seems to be the same speed as "ordinary" records |
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magnuse |
so hooray for getting the items out of the marcxml! :-) |
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kf |
hm no drojf |
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kf |
@later tell drojf ping me |
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huginn` |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
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NateC |
Hello everyone |
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magnuse |
kia ora NateC |
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NateC |
sup magnuse! |
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magnuse |
wassaaap! |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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kf |
hi oleonard :) |
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kf |
oleonard++ the screenshots look awesome :) |
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oleonard |
Speaking of OPAC directory structure, why do we now have a "text" directory with a single template in it? And a "search" one with another single template? |
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kf |
oleonard: ugh? |
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kf |
what is in text? |
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kf |
because it's probably not translatable |
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jcamins |
The text directory is translatable. |
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kf |
wher is it? |
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jcamins |
Or, at least, it was when we tested it. |
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kf |
wanted to take a look :) |
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jcamins |
in modules. |
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kf |
ah |
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kf |
it's not really text |
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kf |
it's in TT things |
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jcamins |
oleonard: we have the text directory because we needed somewhere to put non-HTML text for translation. |
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kf |
that could be translatable |
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jcamins |
And I have no idea what the search directory is for. |
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kf |
i will have to recheck |
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kf |
hm wonder where that is used |
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kf |
title="Search for works by this author" < looks unfamiliar |
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jcamins |
? |
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kf |
oh something with bookbags? |
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jcamins |
Oh, I see where you're looking. |
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kf |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0f251b13de5e4c773 |
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jcamins |
I suspect it's part of the solr "support" BibLibre added. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: What does it matter that it's non-HTML if it's a template like the others? |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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jcamins |
oleonard: it's not accessed through C4::Templates so it made sense to me to separate it from the ones that are. |
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Joubu |
jcamins, kf: yep, opac/search.pl and the tt/search dir are introduced by the Solr draft. |
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oleonard |
Joubu: Why keep it separate from other templates? |
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huginn` |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'master' of git://git.koha-community.org/koha into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1794674b3e7ee9da7> / Merge branch 'bug_8896' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8789b083868b7040b> / Bug 8896 QA Followup for regex <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ha.git;a=commitdi |
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Joubu |
It seemed better to have a specific directory for templates related to search |
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Joubu |
oleonard: I could not add my changes to the existing opac-results.tt. |
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oleonard |
I think it would make more sense to start putting search results template stuff into includes which can be added to opac-results.tt: "Normal," "grouped," "Solr," etc. |
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Starting build #25 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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oleonard |
jcamins++ # For adding a follow-up to Bug 10166 and for having the optimism to think someone might someday fix the maxholds issue |
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Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable |
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kf |
oleonard: is there a bug for that? or is it the longtanding maxreserves one? |
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oleonard |
Bug 8238 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8238 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Hold limits broken |
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oleonard |
Bug 4045 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , No check for maximum number of allowed holds. |
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oleonard |
Not sure why 8238 exists, and didn't notice 4045 was "in discussion" now |
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druthb |
o/ |
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kf |
@query maxreserves |
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kf: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6976 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, REOPENED , User hold limit can be avoided by users in OPAC |
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huginn` |
kf: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title |
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kf: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , No check for maximum number of allowed holds. |
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kf |
oleonard: probably also 6976 |
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magnuse |
bug 6976 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6976 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, REOPENED , User hold limit can be avoided by users in OPAC |
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oleonard |
In short: Hold limits busted. |
| 13:44 |
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kf |
yep |
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kf |
ever since maxreserves was added to circ matrix :( |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.12.x build #25: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/25/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Karam Qubsi: Bug 10176: Solve the Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 10183: Remove single pixel on the serials collection page |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 10166 - Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10166: Increment holdable counter |
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jenkins_koha |
* Lyon3 Team: Bug 8896: Delete serials no more missing from missinglist |
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Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10176 major, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols |
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jenkins_koha |
* Marcel de Rooy: Bug 8896 QA Followup for regex |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10183 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Serials collection table is displayed with a single pixel before and after |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8896 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Delete serials no more missing from missinglist |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1164 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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tcohen |
quick question, koha-create --usedb expects the DB stuff being already created, right (or at least that should be the behaviour) |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009) |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: I believe so |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: You always seem to get the pianohacker quotes |
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tcohen |
hmm, no gmcharlt, looks like the only way we can create an instance without koha-create trying to create the db user and the db is the two-step --request-db then --populate-db |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: looks like --create creates the db + user; --use doesn't create the db but does create the user |
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gmcharlt |
and yes, --populate-db assumes that by db + dbuser are in plae |
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jcamins |
kf: actually, maxreserves broke before it was added to the circ matrix. |
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jcamins |
So... at least we're consistent? |
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kf |
oh yay ;) |
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oleonard |
Would changes to a link URL be okay after string freeze? Bug 10201 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10201 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Old OPAC patron update system should be removed |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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oleonard |
Good, I hope this bug has a chance. I'll submit a patch today. |
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oleonard |
There is a reference to opac-userupdate.tt in opac-patron-image.pl but it doesn't look like it really does anything. Not sure what to do with it. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: one clarification: when you say that you want to change a link URL, you're talking about a 1-line change, right? |
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oleonard |
One line in opac-reserve.tt, one line in opac-user.tt |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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oleonard |
Whoops, two lines in opac-reserve.tt |
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jcamins |
But each change is 1-line only. |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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jcamins |
We'll test- I am convinced that it does not cause any string changes, but always good to be safe. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: How do you think I should handle the reference to opac-userupdate.tt in opac-patron-image.pl? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: ummm... |
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jcamins |
why's it there? |
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oleonard |
Part of "my ( $template, $borrowernumber, $cookie ) = get_template_and_user(" |
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oleonard |
But the script doesn't output to any template |
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jcamins |
Ohh. |
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jcamins |
I understand. |
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jcamins |
It should be replaced with the appropriate authentication call. |
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jcamins |
C4::Auth::check_cookie_auth |
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jcamins |
Or something like that. |
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jenkins_koha |
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* Karam Qubsi: Bug 10176: Solve the Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 10183: Remove single pixel on the serials collection page |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 10166 - Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10166: Increment holdable counter |
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jenkins_koha |
* Lyon3 Team: Bug 8896: Delete serials no more missing from missinglist |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10176 major, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols |
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jenkins_koha |
* Marcel de Rooy: Bug 8896 QA Followup for regex |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10183 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Serials collection table is displayed with a single pixel before and after |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8896 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Delete serials no more missing from missinglist |
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jcamins |
Is anyone going to point out to this thread that Koha doesn't do anything special with ISBNs? |
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reiveune |
bye |
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oleonard |
Is the "borrow" permission used for anything? |
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nengard |
i too wonder this ... |
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kf |
oleonard: should be easy to find out I think |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: I don't know anything about Debian Bootstrap packages, nor how they might interact with the new theme. |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard: fair enough |
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oleonard |
gmcharlt: Did you have something in mind? |
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gmcharlt |
I expect that can be attended to later; mainly I want to make sure that (assuming we use the Debian packages) that less tweaking is needed as compared to how we use YUI |
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gmcharlt |
but that doesn't, I think, materially affect how you would go about with your work on the new theme |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
maybe someone has an idea |
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kf |
i have a repeatable subfield |
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kf |
and I want to generate a list wich all values for this subfield using an sql report |
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kf |
the problem is that ExtractValue always gives me all of them in one line... so i have a completely unusable list showing all the possible combinations |
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tcohen |
mysql sucks for that kf, you need a function to split it |
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kf |
tcohen: meh |
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kf |
tcohen: i need a list of those codes |
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kf |
and only have sql right now |
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kf |
oh well. |
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maximep |
there's no SPLIT function in mysql ? so weird :S |
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kf |
cookies for anyone coming up with a solution? ;) |
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jcamins |
maximep: it's a relational database. If you're SPLITing things, you're doing it wrong. |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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tcohen |
question: currently an arbitrary instance name can be provided to koha-create |
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tcohen |
the problem with it is that both DB name and DB user have a lenght limit in MySQL |
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tcohen |
(64 and 16 respectively) |
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tcohen |
catching the db name length problem is straightforwrd |
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tcohen |
but the db usr name built from the instance name |
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tcohen |
should we impose a limit on the instance name? |
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tcohen |
automatic truncation could lead to user name collision... |
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jcamins |
tcohen: yes, I think imposing a limit is reasonable. |
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tcohen |
11 chars limit actually |
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jcamins |
tcohen: given that Koha won't work with an instance with a longer name as it is, I see no problem with simply rejecting longer instance names. |
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oleonard |
Why are patron images stored based on card number rather than borrowernumber? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: no idea, but it sounds wrong. |
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tcohen |
oleonard: that sound bad |
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oleonard |
It works, anyway. Card number changes propagate to the patronimage table, but that seems unnecessary |
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oleonard |
Oh well. |
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kf |
oleonard: maybe the idea was that.. um. you don't know which number the patron ends up with and they had a file of cardnumbers and photos? |
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kf |
but it could still be stored in a sane way... |
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jcamins |
Actually, that makes perfect sense. |
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oleonard |
Yeah, that's probably it kf |
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jcamins |
Well done, kf! |
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kf |
i get suspicious when you 2 agree like that |
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kf |
btw - we really made koha lots prettier since 3.6 :) |
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kf |
working with old 3.6 today and missing lots of buttons and links |
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kf |
jcamins++ |
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jcamins |
\o/ |
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kf |
drojf is still not here... tsk. |
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tcohen |
jcamins, there's no rush for what I sent u |
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jcamins |
Good, because I haven't even seen it. :P |
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tcohen |
i pretend to use u as a idiomatic validator heh |
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jcamins |
:) |
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tcohen |
not big deal anyway |
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magnuse |
tcohen: bug 7428 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7428 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-create should check for length of instancename |
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kf |
tcohen++ btw :) |
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magnuse |
yeah tcohen++ totally! |
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tcohen |
magnuse: did the checks already in the revisited script |
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magnuse |
tcohen: mark 7428 as a duplicate of your bug? |
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tcohen |
ok, haven't filled it yet |
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tcohen |
^o) |
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jcamins |
drojf: kf has been waiting for you all day, and you sign in ten minutes after she leaves?!? |
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jcamins |
Very sneaky. |
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* druthb |
gets the duct tape, to keep drojf in place until cait comes in. |
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drojf |
oh .( i didn't know |
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drojf |
:( |
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jcamins |
drojf: that looked like a wink to me. :P |
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drojf |
heh |
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drojf |
i'd see it more as "i sign on ten minutes before cait arrives" :) |
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drojf |
i could fall asleep before she arrives though. i accidentally got up at 5am |
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jcamins |
Accidentally? |
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drojf |
i did not close the curtains properly and it gets light outside pretty early these days. could not sleep in again after that |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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drojf |
funny that i have just been to the asian market but i have to come here to remember i could have looked for rice flour :D maybe next time |
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jcamins |
drojf: :( |
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jcamins |
Rice flour is yummy! |
| 17:42 |
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jcamins |
Well, tasteless, actually. |
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drojf |
i still have some. but now i also got sweet potato vermicelli and tapioca vermicelli |
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drojf |
i hope i like the sweet potato ones, the package is huge :D |
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drojf |
now i'm curious what kf wanted. i hope i did not break the translation or something |
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drojf |
and i wonder what i'm going to do with that shrimp paste i bought out of curiosity |
| 17:53 |
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jcamins |
drojf: Shrim paste casserole? |
| 17:53 |
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jcamins |
*Shrimp |
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drojf |
it says "may contain fish" :D |
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druthb |
lol |
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* Dyrcona |
has a jar of peanuts that says "May contain nuts." |
| 17:58 |
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drojf |
it's always good to know ;) |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: well, technically, aren't peanuts not nuts? |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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jcamins |
They are legumes. |
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Dyrcona |
jcamins: Maybe, but people with nut allergies seem to allergic to them, too. |
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jcamins |
I know people with allergies to tree nuts, and I know people with allergies to peanuts, but I'm not sure I know anyone with allergies to both. |
| 17:59 |
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jcamins |
And shrimp technically isn't a fish either. |
| 17:59 |
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drojf |
true |
| 17:59 |
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jcamins |
So, useful warnings! |
| 17:59 |
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jcamins |
:P |
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drojf |
i was not sure if you would call it fish in english. and if they mean the shrimp-fish or some by-catch |
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* cait |
glares at drojf ;) |
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* drojf |
hides |
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cait |
so ne komische anfrage aus berlin |
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cait |
oh :) |
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cait |
oups |
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drojf |
lol |
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cait |
hehe :) |
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drojf |
log cleaner please ;) |
| 18:05 |
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jcamins |
Google translate doesn't make much sense of that. |
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cait |
lol |
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cait |
it's a secret |
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cait |
;) |
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cait |
not really |
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druthb |
An un-funny request from berlin? |
| 18:08 |
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cait |
no actually just a request |
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tcohen |
can I move from mysql to mysqladmin for administrative stuff? |
| 18:17 |
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cait |
hm? |
| 18:17 |
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tcohen |
both are distributed via mysql-client package |
| 18:17 |
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tcohen |
on koha-create |
| 18:17 |
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tcohen |
we do things like |
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jcamins |
cait: drojf: is this capitalized properly: Der Raum der Worte: polnische Avantgarde und Malerbücher 1919–1990. |
| 18:18 |
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tcohen |
mysql <long opts line> <<EOF multiline SQL sentences EOF |
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cait |
capitalized wonderfully |
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drojf |
yes |
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tcohen |
we could do |
| 18:18 |
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cait |
when are you moving to germany? |
| 18:18 |
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drojf |
what cait says |
| 18:18 |
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tcohen |
mysql --create-db name |
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tcohen |
I meant: mysqladmin create name |
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cait |
tcohen: no idea here - sorry :( |
| 18:19 |
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tcohen |
np, I doing some research on better error handling |
| 18:20 |
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tcohen |
i'll read the docs anyway, looking for shortcuts :-D |
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jcamins |
cait: drojf: Ein Balken quer über der Strasse, Kurzprosa und Gedichte <-- what is ein Balken? |
| 18:26 |
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jcamins |
In this context. |
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cait |
um |
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cait |
a log... maybe? |
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cait |
spire? i have to look it up, i am only guessing |
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cait |
ok, ntotally not spire |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
beam |
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cait |
of course |
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cait |
*sigh* |
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cait |
sorry, tired brain |
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drojf |
well it's poetry, it could be everything ;) |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 18:29 |
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jcamins |
That was actually a German translation of a title in Polish that I couldn't figure out. |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
ok? |
| 18:30 |
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drojf |
but translating from polish to english was too easy? |
| 18:30 |
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jcamins |
drojf: I couldn't figure out what the Polish words were. |
| 18:30 |
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jcamins |
It was in Futurist orthography. |
| 18:30 |
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jcamins |
(i.e. the spelling was made up) |
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drojf |
ah, so that translation was an "official" one of the german version |
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drojf |
not by google or something |
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drojf |
? |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 18:39 |
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drojf |
jcamins: "the feeling in the mouth slides crispily". is that english? :D |
| 18:39 |
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jcamins |
The words are. :P |
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oleonard |
:D |
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drojf |
hehe |
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* druthb |
blinks, and fails her Confusing saving throw. |
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oleonard |
It's Dadaist poetry night in #koha! |
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drojf |
i can read you the whole book of "sweet potato width vermicelli" if you like |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
How was the version of Test::WWW::Mechanize chosen? The default Ubuntu 12.04 version is only 1.36 vs. the suggested 1.44. |
| 18:49 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I think it was just the version in Debian. |
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* druthb |
blames jcamins. Justified or not, he's to blame. |
| 18:49 |
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jcamins |
The good news is, that's optional. |
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mtompset |
True enough. |
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* mtompset |
grins at druthb. |
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mtompset |
Now, now. Don't go blaming jcamins for a default version in Debian vs. Ubuntu, druthb. :P |
| 18:54 |
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mtompset |
Oh, as Paul P pointed out, wheezy is out. How will that affect the repository names? |
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* druthb |
blames jcamins for All The Things! |
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* oleonard |
pats his UPS affectionately and wonders how much longer the power will be out |
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jcamins |
oleonard: how long has it been out? |
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oleonard |
5 minutes |
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mtompset |
How big is your UPS? |
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mtompset |
(i.e. how long will it last?) |
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oleonard |
Actually I'm not sure. It's a loaner because my other one went bad |
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oleonard |
It's an experiment! |
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drojf |
as a person who has never seen my little pony, this is not bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7V_bCyZe0 |
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* oleonard |
is back! |
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* druthb |
cheers wildly! |
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* drojf |
throws confetti |
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jcamins |
confetti |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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jcamins |
more confetti |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' |
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drojf |
:D |
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druthb |
! |
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drojf |
it was a short party, but a lot of fun |
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cait |
:) |
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* oleonard |
thanks everyone for the presents |
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* oleonard |
leaves before the party gets really quiet and awkward |
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cait |
clever as always :) |
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drojf |
the last one has to clean up so i'm out ;) good night #koha |
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* wizzyrea |
waves |
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wizzyrea |
bummer, missed oleonard's party |
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trea |
aww |
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eythian |
mtj: you updated the wiki to say 3.6 is packaged, which it isn't. |
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mtj |
heya, aah gotta |
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mtj |
3.6 *was* packaged, now that package has been removed? |
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jcamins |
Right, because it was in oldstable. |
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mtj |
cool, i'll correct the wiki page |
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eythian |
already done |
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eythian |
jcamins: I tried to package the beta, but I'm having repository issues (it doesn't want to understand that I added a new section to the repo for it.) |
| 22:29 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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mtj |
eythian++ thanks for that |
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eythian |
I'll attack it again some time soon. |
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jcamins |
If we can't figure it out, I can always just continue uploading the .deb files to download.k-c.org. |
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eythian |
yeah |
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wizzyrea |
pretty quiet. |
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jcamins |
Boo! |
| 22:55 |
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jcamins |
^^ not so quiet |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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jcamins |
I have remembered something. |
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wizzyrea |
what's that |
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wahanui |
that is a good idea. |
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jcamins |
Discovery layers are awful. |
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wizzyrea |
hm yes |
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jcamins |
Also, the cataloging at my local library is an embarrassment. |
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jcamins |
An embarrassment I say! |
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* dcook |
thinks he is missing some context here |
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jcamins |
dcook: I'm looking for books to request. |
| 23:18 |
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jcamins |
It's not going well. |
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dcook |
Mmmm |
| 23:18 |
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jcamins |
In fact, some might say it's going embarrassingly badly. |
| 23:19 |
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jcamins |
I've been looking for reviews of the books that were coming up in my searches. |
| 23:19 |
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jcamins |
Oddly, none of the books were sold by Amazon, even though these are recent mass market books. |
| 23:19 |
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jcamins |
Then I realized: the titles were transcribed wrong! |
| 23:19 |
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jcamins |
If I copy the title from the cover image, the book comes up in Amazon. |
| 23:20 |
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jcamins |
And by copy I mean "transcribe." |
| 23:20 |
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dcook |
O_o |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
Sort of like the catalogers obviously were NOT doing. |
| 23:21 |
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dcook |
What are they transcribing? |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
Well, their titles are similar. |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
Within the realm of believability. |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
Just, you know, different. |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
Changing singular to plural, removing clauses, that sort of thing. |
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dcook |
Wow... |
| 23:23 |
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jcamins |
And once again I find myself wishing I had bought myself a barcode scanner for at home. |
| 23:23 |
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jcamins |
Librarians get so spoiled. |
| 23:24 |
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jcamins |
Kindle books require an active wi-fi connection... |
| 23:24 |
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jcamins |
huh? |
| 23:24 |
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wizzyrea |
that's interesting, it's using solr - which makes me wonder if it's blacklight |
| 23:24 |
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dcook |
So that they can remove them from your Kindle? |
| 23:25 |
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jcamins |
No, so they can deliver them, I guess. |
| 23:25 |
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* dcook |
seems to remember a story where people suddenly found their Kindle ebooks missing |
| 23:25 |
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cjh |
jcamins: only to download the book |
| 23:25 |
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dcook |
Well, one ebook, which was censored/pulled/something |
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cjh |
once you have the book on your device wifi isnt needed |
| 23:25 |
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wizzyrea |
1984, ironically |
| 23:25 |
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cjh |
heh |
| 23:26 |
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jcamins |
cjh: my Kindle doesn't have wifi. |
| 23:26 |
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wizzyrea |
...is it an old one? |
| 23:26 |
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cjh |
all kindles have either wifi or 3g ? |
| 23:26 |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
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jcamins |
It has 3G, but I see no way to enter a password for my wireless network. |
| 23:27 |
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jcamins |
And, yeah. |
| 23:27 |
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cjh |
unless you are talking about the android/desktop applications, but they still have internet access |
| 23:27 |
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cjh |
jcamins: well in that case isnt the 3g free to use? |
| 23:27 |
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jcamins |
cjh: Overdrive doesn't support 3G. :( |
| 23:28 |
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jcamins |
overdrive-- |
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pastebot |
"wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for jcamins" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/8 |
| 23:30 |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/[…]0690850#wifisteps |
| 23:30 |
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jcamins |
So I'm thinking if I don't have "Wi-Fi Settings" there that's probably a pretty strong sign that there's no Wi-Fi. |
| 23:30 |
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jcamins |
The Kindle is pretty old. |
| 23:31 |
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wizzyrea |
they didn't make those |
| 23:31 |
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wizzyrea |
afaik |
| 23:31 |
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jcamins |
In Kindle years. |
| 23:31 |
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wizzyrea |
it was wifi only or wifi+3g |
| 23:31 |
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jcamins |
Hmm. |
| 23:32 |
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jcamins |
Nice... I have the Kindle... "hahaha we decided not to include wifi, sucker." |
| 23:32 |
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jcamins |
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/[…]?nodeId=200798800 |
| 23:32 |
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jcamins |
It's a Kingle DX. |
| 23:33 |
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wizzyrea |
sure enough, it's only got 3g |
| 23:33 |
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wizzyrea |
sayeth wikipedia |
| 23:33 |
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wizzyrea |
well that is upsetting. |
| 23:34 |
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jcamins |
overdrive-- |
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cjh |
oh wow |
| 23:34 |
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wizzyrea |
guess you're going to get friendly with sideloading :/ |
| 23:34 |
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jcamins |
That was going to be the only good thing I had to say about Queens Library, too. |
| 23:34 |
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jcamins |
They are failing my spectacularly. |
| 23:34 |
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cjh |
why doesnt it support 3g? do you have to be on an internal network to use it? |
| 23:35 |
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jcamins |
cjh: I don't know, Overdrive just says "no 3g." |
| 23:35 |
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wizzyrea |
probably because amazon asked them not to tax their 3g |
| 23:35 |
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wizzyrea |
because kindle owners don't pay for that |
| 23:35 |
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wizzyrea |
it doesn't even do wikipedia now, does it? |
| 23:36 |
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wizzyrea |
I thought it basically only talked to amazon |
| 23:36 |
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wizzyrea |
(the whispernet thing) |
| 23:36 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
| 23:36 |
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jcamins |
Overdrive says that they support the Kindle DX. |
| 23:36 |
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wizzyrea |
they probably do, just not from the kindle |
| 23:36 |
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wizzyrea |
as in, you could put it on via USB |
| 23:36 |
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wizzyrea |
from your computer |
| 23:37 |
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wizzyrea |
that counts as "support" |
| 23:37 |
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jcamins |
I'm totally cool with that. |
| 23:37 |
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jcamins |
I load everything via USB. |
| 23:38 |
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jcamins |
Jeez. |
| 23:38 |
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jcamins |
That was absurd. |
| 23:39 |
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jcamins |
However, I managed to download the file. |
| 23:39 |
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jcamins |
It turns out that I have to use Shari's Amazon account if I want to download the file. |
| 23:40 |
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jcamins |
ARGH! HE USED A DIFFERENT E-MAIL ADDRESS!! |
| 23:40 |
|
* eythian |
is pretty anti-Kindle, so he'd say throw it away and buy something that doesn't contain so many anti-features. |
| 23:41 |
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jcamins |
eythian: I didn't buy the Kindle, and you can't beat $0 for price. |
| 23:41 |
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jcamins |
And by "my" Kindle I actually mean "not mine." |
| 23:42 |
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* dcook |
is in favour of both eythian's and jcamins's positions... |
| 23:42 |
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jcamins |
I successfully loaded the book onto the Kindle. |
| 23:42 |
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dcook |
\o/ |
| 23:43 |
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jcamins |
It took almost 20 minutes. |
| 23:43 |
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dcook |
:( |
| 23:43 |
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eythian |
but by using it, you are potentially indirectly reducing the viability of the non-Amazon book selling and library market in favour of giving them control over what you can access. |
| 23:43 |
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cjh |
I am not a big fan of the DRM on the kindle, but the amazon selection was much larger than any of the competitions back when I bought it. So I sold out :) |
| 23:43 |
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dcook |
cjh: Same reason why I bought an ipod :/ |
| 23:43 |
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jcamins |
Folks: this is not user friendly! |
| 23:43 |
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dcook |
Well, the storage space. Not the collection. I hate itunes... |
| 23:43 |
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jcamins |
User friendly is Project Gutenberg. |
| 23:43 |
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ibeardslee |
actually that's not particularly user friendly |
| 23:43 |
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eythian |
jcamins: it's user friendly if you do it their way. You're fighting the system! |
| 23:44 |
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* wizzyrea |
has no need to carry her entire music collection on a mobile music device. |
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jcamins |
ibeardslee: sure, it could be better, but "double click" sure beats "click, enter password, enter password, log out, enter password, enter password, get told it doesn't work, get timed out, enter password, get told that you can't have the file, click around a bunch, download file, load file into Calibre, and copy file onto Kindle." |
| 23:44 |
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wizzyrea |
so 64GB is just fine. |
| 23:45 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: I'm a bit of a nomad with a music hobby. I always need it all everywhere. |
| 23:45 |
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dcook |
I'm listening to music right now O_O |
| 23:45 |
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wizzyrea |
I don't think the words "user friendly" and "overdrive" have ever been in the same sentence. Except that last one. |
| 23:45 |
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jcamins |
eythian: I wouldn't know. I've actually never read an Amazon book. |
| 23:45 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: lol |
| 23:46 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea++ |
| 23:46 |
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wizzyrea |
or at least, not together without the presence of "is not" |
| 23:46 |
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wizzyrea |
as in "overdrive is not user friendly" |
| 23:46 |
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dcook |
Never bought a book online, but you can get very affordable shoes...especially in the US |
| 23:46 |
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eythian |
I'm probably going to use google music more for my music, not as primary storage, but for getting into mobile devices. That said, I don't listen to music on mobile all that much. |
| 23:46 |
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wizzyrea |
google music is pretty alright. |
| 23:46 |
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dcook |
Google music? |
| 23:46 |
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wahanui |
Google music is, like, pretty alright |
| 23:47 |
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eythian |
dcook: I keep buying ebooks from tor, been rounding out my China Miéville collection recently. |
| 23:47 |
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dcook |
Nice. I just finished reading The City & The City |
| 23:47 |
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dcook |
Keen to read more of his stuff |
| 23:48 |
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eythian |
that's quite different from his other stuff, but they're all similary odd. |
| 23:48 |
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eythian |
And, imo, all very good. |
| 23:48 |
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eythian |
I started reading Railsea the other day, it's looking really fun. |
| 23:48 |
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dcook |
I'll have to keep that one in mind |
| 23:49 |
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dcook |
A friend of mine said that The City & The City wasn't quite as good as some of his other stuff, but I can't remember her recommendations now. |
| 23:49 |
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dcook |
I was very surprised by how much I liked it though |
| 23:49 |
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eythian |
If you like short stories, I recommend Looking for Jake. |
| 23:49 |
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dcook |
At first, I thought it was going to be generic crime fiction, and it was...but it wasn't. |
| 23:49 |
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eythian |
yeah, a lot of his stuff is "not too strange story set in a really odd setting" |
| 23:49 |
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* dcook |
needs to open up his goodreads.. |
| 23:49 |
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eythian |
and the setting drives a lot of it. |
| 23:50 |
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dcook |
She said he belonged to a genre called "new weird" |
| 23:50 |
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eythian |
http://www.panmacmillan.com/author/chinamieville <-- dcook |
| 23:50 |
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wizzyrea |
It's weird, and done recently, hence, new weird. |
| 23:50 |
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eythian |
http://www.panmacmillan.com/bo[…]amieville/railsea <-- ebook on sale, too |
| 23:50 |
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wizzyrea |
makes sense I guess |
| 23:50 |
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eythian |
yeah. It's like dark fantasy meets steampunk meets scifi. ish. |
| 23:51 |
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dcook |
but also urban |
| 23:51 |
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dcook |
Quite weird. I like it. |
| 23:51 |
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dcook |
Don't know if I see the Orwell/Kakfa/Dick comparisons, but...certainly the kind of author I like |
| 23:51 |
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eythian |
well, in City not so much |
| 23:52 |
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eythian |
but some of his other stuff is quite dark. |
| 23:52 |
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cjh |
PKD is fantastic, I have never actually read any Orwell :( |
| 23:52 |
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dcook |
Ahh, so Tor is an imprint of Macmillan? Is it all DRM free then? |
| 23:52 |
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eythian |
yep and yep. |
| 23:52 |
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dcook |
:D |
| 23:52 |
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dcook |
Even more my speed then |
| 23:53 |
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eythian |
plain old epub |
| 23:53 |
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eythian |
also mobi, if you swing that way. |
| 23:53 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I don't know mobi |
| 23:53 |
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eythian |
it's what kindles use |
| 23:53 |
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dcook |
Ahh |
| 23:53 |
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eythian |
everything else uses epub |
| 23:53 |
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dcook |
I tend not to be familiar with evil |
| 23:53 |
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dcook |
Errrmm |
| 23:53 |
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eythian |
but amazon doesn't control that, so they don't like it. |
| 23:54 |
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dcook |
cjh: Love love love PKD. Only read 1984 and wasn't much of a fan tbh |
| 23:54 |
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eythian |
I have a feeling mobi is an extension of PDB from the palmos days, which is terrorbad. |
| 23:56 |
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cjh |
dcook: PKD is probably my favourite author, absolutely adore his short stories. |
| 23:56 |
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eythian |
ah, .PRC, which is similar. |
| 23:56 |
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eythian |
I've read both, they're both very good. Though some of Orwell's stuff can drag on a bit. |
| 23:56 |
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eythian |
but his classic stuff is classic for a reason. |
| 23:56 |
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cjh |
dcook: I feel like I have to give 1984 a try, but it isnt high enough on my list to be a priority :) |
| 23:57 |
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eythian |
it's a pretty short read, iirc. |
| 23:57 |
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cjh |
I was going through the Dune series, lost steam in the 3rd book and it has just sat there unfinished. |
| 23:58 |
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dcook |
eythian: that's true |
| 23:59 |
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dcook |
cjh: Yeah, Dune is on the list of one day... |
| 23:59 |
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dcook |
But absolutely love PKD. It used to be a goal to read all the novels, although I think I've only managed 12-14 so far |
| 23:59 |
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dcook |
I heard rumour that the Terminator folk were going to to turn "Flow my tears, the policeman said" into a film |
