IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-05

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01:25 bgkriegel jcamins?
01:25 wahanui somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
01:33 jcamins Yes?
01:33 bgkriegel jcamins: I'm sending a mail to koha devel. Karam found a strange solution to Bug 10176, which fixes the use of a more strange symbol in Bug 9183 (line 574 in There is an Arabic symbol in a perl substitute.
01:33 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10176 major, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Needs Signoff , Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols
01:33 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9183 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , C4::Search should only have one ZOOM event loop
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01:35 jcamins What strange symbol?
01:36 bgkriegel lat between[]
01:36 bgkriegel last
01:36 bgkriegel s/[()!?¡¿؟]/ /g;
01:36 bgkriegel an invertes ?
01:36 bgkriegel inverted
01:36 jcamins Oh, I see.
01:36 bgkriegel or seems to be
01:37 tcohen
01:37 tcohen heh
01:37 jcamins Actually, that's not from my patch.
01:37 jcamins I just moved it.
01:37 bgkriegel ah,ok
01:38 bgkriegel can be removed?
01:38 bgkriegel if not, then we must use utf8
01:39 bgkriegel tcohen: nice cat :)
01:39 jcamins I have no idea.
01:40 jcamins I have no idea what it was for.
01:40 tcohen a typo
01:40 bgkriegel a strange one
01:41 bgkriegel was my thinking
01:41 jcamins To me it looks wrong, but Lyon wrote a patch especially to add it.
01:41 bgkriegel they use arabic
01:42 tcohen why do u say its arabic?
01:42 tcohen I see ¿
01:42 bgkriegel I asked Karam, he said is for arabic one or is an arabic symbol
01:42 jcamins Actually, I understand Karam's patch now.
01:42 jcamins It is good.
01:43 bgkriegel Ok, so I sign (he wrote asking me)
01:43 tcohen if there's non-ASCII in the code use utf8 is a must
01:43 bgkriegel for me, it works
01:43 bgkriegel yeap
01:44 bgkriegel there are other two lines with UTF symbols, but on comments
01:45 bgkriegel diacritics
01:46 tcohen I think comments are not an issue
01:47 tcohen "As a compatibility measure, the use utf8 pragma must be explicitly included to enable recognition of UTF-8 in the Perl scripts themselves (in string or regular expression literals, or in identifier names)"
02:19 bgkriegel another: line 1487 in C4/, a warning message in french, no use utf8
02:19 bgkriegel tcohen?
02:19 wahanui rumour has it tcohen is 120
02:19 bgkriegel :)
02:23 bgkriegel tcohen: an idea (and more work) for you. Add --lang to koha-create, so to offer and use translated interface on web installer (and use localized sql files).
02:26 bgkriegel another french warning (no use utf8),, line 2388
02:29 bgkriegel good bye
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05:24 * wizzyrea waves
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07:21 cait good morning
07:21 cait hi druthb
07:21 cait :)
07:21 druthb Hi, cait! :D
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08:35 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:35 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.6°C (10:35 AM CEST on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
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09:19 * magnuse waves
09:22 magnuse @wunder boo
09:22 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising).
09:32 cait morning magnuse :)
09:33 magnuse guten morgen cait
09:55 magnuse @marc 081
09:55 huginn` magnuse: unknown tag 081
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10:38 cait bug 7441
10:38 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7441 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , search results showing wrong branch?
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12:36 jcamins Myshkin just ate my biscuit!
12:37 cait when he has to steal your buisciuts you probably don't feed him well enough!
12:37 cait :P
12:39 jcamins Hehe.
12:39 jcamins I'm sure he'd like me to think that.
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13:36 bgkriegel hello
13:37 bgkriegel cait?
13:37 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
13:37 cait yes? :)
13:37 bgkriegel you did QA for 10174. The text of facets looks well for you?
13:38 bgkriegel I still see ي , �... (those ?? symbols)
13:38 bgkriegel the url is working, of course
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13:48 bgkriegel hi tcohen
13:48 tcohen hi bgkriegel
13:48 tcohen got your message last night (--lang)
13:49 bgkriegel good, what do you think?
13:52 cait bgkriegel: that'd due to facet length
13:52 cait bgkriegel: it cuts the 'character' in half
13:53 cait there is a system preference for facet length, but it doesnot work correctly for composed characters... if that makes sense?
13:53 cait if the problems you see are always before the ... it's that
13:53 bgkriegel yes
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13:55 cait :)
13:56 cait right now i am testing and documenting ways to hide records and items in opac... see the new bugs... *sigh*
13:57 bgkriegel work never ends. Put FacetLabelTruncationLength on 50 and all looks good
13:59 cait yeah work never ends... but also lots of good things happen all the time
13:59 cait helps making it easier to look at some ugly code :)
14:00 bgkriegel that's enthusiasm :)
14:00 bgkriegel cait++
14:01 cait :)
14:01 cait well, enthuasiasm is always needed :)
14:01 bgkriegel yes, we need lots
14:02 cait hm hope that's not frustration i hear there?
14:02 * cait hands out cookies
14:02 bgkriegel thanks :)
14:03 bgkriegel but no frustration at all
14:10 cait ah, cookies work prophylactical too :)
14:13 bgkriegel for that reason are always welcome :)
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15:07 * tcohen wants cookies
15:10 * druthb too.
15:10 jcamins Does anyone know what "item is restricted" means?
15:11 jcamins And if you say "the item is restricted," you're going to lose karma.
15:11 cait hm
15:11 jcamins :P
15:11 cait i always thought abou treading rooms
15:11 cait can only be used in the reading room
15:11 cait or under supervision
15:11 cait i think it stems from 852 somehow
15:11 * druthb is tempted.
15:11 jcamins cait: oh, hm.
15:12 jcamins That makes sense.
15:12 jcamins Maybe.
15:12 druthb jcamins:  it might be in-building use only, or it might be for use with classified docs (or "no minors" or whatever)
15:13 cait hm was wrong about 852
15:13 jcamins I guess in-building use is orthogonal to not for loan.
15:14 cait i am not sure if it should block checkout
15:14 cait or only show a message
15:14 jcamins Well, with off-line circ there's really nothing that should block a checkout.
15:14 cait we have started showing the status only some time ago
15:16 tcohen jcamins, holds on the item?
15:17 jcamins tcohen: I don't think so.
15:17 jcamins It'd be nice if it alerted, but with offline circ you cannot have any assurance that a hold hasn't already been filled elsewhere.
15:19 jcamins Down to 847 lines.
15:26 cait :)
15:57 jcamins I need advice.
15:57 cait hm
15:57 jcamins What makes a good bookend?
15:57 cait ?
15:57 cait hm
15:57 cait it holds the books in place?
15:57 jcamins Yes.
15:58 jcamins Oh, no, I'm not asking what capabilities a good bookend should have.
15:58 cait you are confusing me
15:58 jcamins I need to know what to use for bookends!
15:58 jcamins I know exactly what they need to do. They need to keep books from falling over.
15:58 cait I have simple bookends made from metal
15:59 cait they are almost invisible and I like them for this
15:59 cait but that's not your question again I guess :)
15:59 jcamins Nope. Though I suppose I could buy bookends, if it came to that.
16:02 jcamins My problem is that most of the suggestions I find online assume that you want to keep your collection of mass market -- or, at best, trade -- paperbacks from falling over.
16:02 cait I also use books as book ends....
16:02 cait piles of books
16:02 jcamins That's what I'd do, except I don't have space.
16:03 jcamins I only have about... 50cm.
16:04 jcamins Maybe what I should do is take the expanding bookend thing that Shari's been using.
16:05 jcamins Bwahahaha!
16:05 * jcamins did so.
16:05 jcamins Actually, it's exactly the right size.
16:07 * cait shrugs
16:10 jcamins Done!
16:10 jcamins I just still need bricks.
16:10 jcamins I think I'll eat lunch then go out and buy some.
16:12 jcamins I have to figure out again how many I need.
16:26 jcamins 12.
16:26 jcamins 60lbs.
16:26 jcamins That's problematic.
16:28 cait for the desk?
16:30 jcamins Well, I'm not sure how the desk would take it, but also it would take several trips.
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17:40 magnuse ooh one of the eggs have hatched
17:41 cait and we missed it!
17:41 cait is she sitting on it?
17:41 cait or is he...?
17:41 magnuse yeah
17:41 cait get up!!
17:41 magnuse heh
17:42 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza
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18:42 druthb oooooo...falcon!
18:43 cait fluffy babies
18:43 cait 2 even?
18:43 druthb looks like, yah
18:44 druthb fuzzy!
18:44 druthb Parent giving us the ebil eye.
18:45 cait understandable :)
18:47 druthb yup.  looks breezy, so they're all tucked in warm!
19:10 druthb ooooo...brought food back to the nest!
19:13 cait ew
19:13 cait :)
19:13 cait wonder if the third egg should be so dark... and if it will hatch too
19:16 druthb The chicks are so cute!
19:16 druthb Eat a bite, a bite, snooze..
19:18 cait heh
19:32 gmcharlt @quote random
19:32 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
19:32 cait @quote random
19:32 huginn` cait: Quote #131: "oleonard Yeah, huginn. Perv." (added by Brooke at 04:09 PM, May 04, 2011)
19:33 cait hi gmcharlt :)
19:33 gmcharlt hi cait
19:37 cait monday for you?
19:37 * cait tries to get this timezones thing right
19:47 jcamins Sunday.
19:47 cait oh
19:48 cait so eight hours in the other direction? *ponders*
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20:22 cait morning kathryn :)
20:23 kathryn Hi cait :)
20:23 wahanui Hi cait :) are you around ?
20:23 cait forget hi cait?
20:23 cait forget hi cait
20:23 cait forget hi cait :)
20:23 wahanui cait: I forgot hi cait :)
20:23 cait ah
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21:09 cait where is everyone tonight? isn't it mondy morning somewhere? :)
21:10 bgkriegel somewhere yes, still sunday here :)
21:20 wizzyrea it's raining buckets here :)
21:21 wizzyrea it's as if all of the rain we missed from this summer decided to come all at once
21:21 rangi @wunder nzwn
21:21 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (9:15 AM NZST on May 06, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Rising).
21:21 wizzyrea showers my ass.
21:22 rangi[…]land-top-of-South
21:22 rangi thats more realistic
21:22 cait wizzyrea: i love rain :)
21:22 cait but I am a weird person
21:23 wizzyrea it's nice if you can stay inside with book and a cup of tea.
21:23 mtj wow, that is some weather outside, huh!
21:23 rangi it sure is
21:23 bgkriegel[…]n_Pacific_BIG.gif
21:25 bgkriegel @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:26 huginn` bgkriegel: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0°C (6:00 PM ART on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
21:27 cjh it is wet. very very wet.
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21:30 cait ask robin about his last day when he tried to come to bsz :P
21:30 cait the buses couldn't run because the road was flooded :)
21:31 cjh oh wow!
21:35 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
21:35 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 17.1°C (11:13 PM CEST on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
21:35 drojf i think we had the nicest day this year so far
21:36 cait drojf: possible :)
21:36 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:36 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.7°C (11:35 PM CEST on May 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
21:37 drojf but the nz rain sounds nice too. i could use that now. as a background sound for sleeping :D
21:40 cait :)
21:43 drojf oh, there is a holiday again on thursday… i'd rather have my phone delivered :/
21:45 cjh heh
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21:48 cait lol
21:51 drojf i'll try that sleep thing. maybe that is an option for you too, cait ;) good night #koha
21:51 cait good night drojf
21:56 magnuse g'night #koha
22:23 eythian cait: today the busses here couldn't run because the streets were flooded
22:23 eythian (some of them, anyway :)
22:23 eythian (fortunately not mine)
22:24 cait eythian: ah
22:24 cait we hadn't rain that bad since you left I think
22:24 cjh so he brought the weather back with him, thanks eythian !
22:24 eythian Mine just lost overhead power a couple of times for a few minutes, but it did have to take a diversion.
22:25 eythian heh we even had lightning last night, too, which is pretty rare for here.
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22:58 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios
22:59 mtj ...oops, forgot to restart tweetbot, when i rebooted on friday
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23:08 eythian[…]-hits-the-country <-- cait, this was this morning
23:09 cait loading quite slowly
23:10 cait wow
23:10 eythian probably because you live in a remote country
23:10 cait heh
23:10 tcohen what happened eythian ?
23:10 eythian tcohen: a very large dose of rain overnight and earlier this morning
23:11 eythian surface flooding over many suburbs
23:11 tcohen across the whole country?
23:11 tcohen or just christchurch?
23:12 eythian Across a lot of the country. Wellington, Auckland, Chch and other parts too.
23:12 tcohen are u ok??
23:12 eythian yeah, it's not too serious.
23:13 eythian just makes for impressive pictures and grumpy drivers really. A few trees down in some parts.
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23:23 tcohen eythian: i've been reading koha-create, a refactoring using bash its doable in a couple of days (including testing)
23:23 tcohen rewriting in Perl could take longer
23:26 eythian how do you propose to do it? (not that it's impossible to do an undo stack in bash, I just figured it'd be a lot easier in Perl)
23:29 tcohen I think what someone proposed about just calling koha-remove could do it
23:29 tcohen or we could just use a stack of completed steps
23:31 tcohen if we wrote it in perl, do we already have dependencies defined for stuff like creating unix users ?
23:31 tcohen or will we end up calling system() for those steps?
23:35 eythian I think we'd end up calling "system", or more likely, finding a module that does that sort of thing for us.
23:36 wizzyrea
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23:51 wizzyrea mtj about?
23:52 mtj hey liz
23:53 mtj sup, wizzyrea ?
23:53 wizzyrea curious if you have any clients connecting to the national library z39 target
23:53 wizzyrea and if they are able to
23:54 wizzyrea  , specifically
23:55 eythian wizzyrea: I think that one is down more often than up
23:55 wizzyrea (since there are several)
23:55 wizzyrea heh!
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23:55 dcook morning #koha
23:55 wizzyrea can you connect to it from your yaz client?
23:55 eythian wizzyrea: check, as we have some people set up on it, but I think it's often flakey.
23:55 eythian I haven't tried for a while.
23:55 wizzyrea yea, I was trying to find out if it was a firewall thing or a problem at the other end
23:56 wizzyrea I'm leaning towards problem on the other end
23:57 eythian if it's from your desktop, you're not really firewalled for that sort of thing
23:57 wizzyrea right - other end it is then
23:57 wizzyrea anyway i tweeted at them - maybe they'll fix it.
23:58 wizzyrea the web interface seems to be up
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23:59 mtj wizzyrea, 1 tic...

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