Time Nick Message
23:59 dcook I heard rumour that the Terminator folk were going to to turn "Flow my tears, the policeman said" into a film
23:59 dcook But absolutely love PKD. It used to be a goal to read all the novels, although I think I've only managed 12-14 so far
23:59 dcook cjh: Yeah, Dune is on the list of one day...
23:58 dcook eythian: that's true
23:57 cjh I was going through the Dune series, lost steam in the 3rd book and it has just sat there unfinished.
23:57 eythian it's a pretty short read, iirc.
23:56 cjh dcook: I feel like I have to give 1984 a try, but it isnt high enough on my list to be a priority :)
23:56 eythian but his classic stuff is classic for a reason.
23:56 eythian I've read both, they're both very good. Though some of Orwell's stuff can drag on a bit.
23:56 eythian ah, .PRC, which is similar.
23:56 cjh dcook: PKD is probably my favourite author, absolutely adore his short stories.
23:54 eythian I have a feeling mobi is an extension of PDB from the palmos days, which is terrorbad.
23:54 dcook cjh: Love love love PKD. Only read 1984 and wasn't much of a fan tbh
23:53 eythian but amazon doesn't control that, so they don't like it.
23:53 dcook Errrmm
23:53 dcook I tend not to be familiar with evil
23:53 eythian everything else uses epub
23:53 dcook Ahh
23:53 eythian it's what kindles use
23:53 dcook Hmm, I don't know mobi
23:53 eythian also mobi, if you swing that way.
23:53 eythian plain old epub
23:52 dcook Even more my speed then
23:52 dcook :D
23:52 eythian yep and yep.
23:52 dcook Ahh, so Tor is an imprint of Macmillan? Is it all DRM free then?
23:52 cjh PKD is fantastic, I have never actually read any Orwell :(
23:52 eythian but some of his other stuff is quite dark.
23:51 eythian well, in City not so much
23:51 dcook Don't know if I see the Orwell/Kakfa/Dick comparisons, but...certainly the kind of author I like
23:51 dcook Quite weird. I like it.
23:51 dcook but also urban
23:50 eythian yeah. It's like dark fantasy meets steampunk meets scifi. ish.
23:50 wizzyrea makes sense I guess
23:50 eythian http://www.panmacmillan.com/book/chinamieville/railsea <-- ebook on sale, too
23:50 wizzyrea It's weird, and done recently, hence, new weird.
23:50 eythian http://www.panmacmillan.com/author/chinamieville <-- dcook
23:50 dcook She said he belonged to a genre called "new weird"
23:49 eythian and the setting drives a lot of it.
23:49 * dcook needs to open up his goodreads..
23:49 eythian yeah, a lot of his stuff is "not too strange story set in a really odd setting"
23:49 dcook At first, I thought it was going to be generic crime fiction, and it was...but it wasn't.
23:49 eythian If you like short stories, I recommend Looking for Jake.
23:49 dcook I was very surprised by how much I liked it though
23:49 dcook A friend of mine said that The City & The City wasn't quite as good as some of his other stuff, but I can't remember her recommendations now.
23:48 dcook I'll have to keep that one in mind
23:48 eythian I started reading Railsea the other day, it's looking really fun.
23:48 eythian And, imo, all very good.
23:48 eythian that's quite different from his other stuff, but they're all similary odd.
23:47 dcook Keen to read more of his stuff
23:47 dcook Nice. I just finished reading The City & The City
23:47 eythian dcook: I keep buying ebooks from tor, been rounding out my China Miéville collection recently.
23:46 wahanui Google music is, like, pretty alright
23:46 dcook Google music?
23:46 wizzyrea google music is pretty alright.
23:46 eythian I'm probably going to use google music more for my music, not as primary storage, but for getting into mobile devices. That said, I don't listen to music on mobile all that much.
23:46 dcook Never bought a book online, but you can get very affordable shoes...especially in the US
23:46 wizzyrea as in "overdrive is not user friendly"
23:46 wizzyrea or at least, not together without the presence of "is not"
23:46 dcook wizzyrea++
23:45 jcamins wizzyrea: lol
23:45 jcamins eythian: I wouldn't know. I've actually never read an Amazon book.
23:45 wizzyrea I don't think the words "user friendly" and "overdrive" have ever been in the same sentence. Except that last one.
23:45 dcook I'm listening to music right now O_O
23:45 dcook wizzyrea: I'm a bit of a nomad with a music hobby. I always need it all everywhere.
23:44 wizzyrea so 64GB is just fine.
23:44 jcamins ibeardslee: sure, it could be better, but "double click" sure beats "click, enter password, enter password, log out, enter password, enter password, get told it doesn't work, get timed out, enter password, get told that you can't have the file, click around a bunch, download file, load file into Calibre, and copy file onto Kindle."
23:44 * wizzyrea has no need to carry her entire music collection on a mobile music device.
23:43 eythian jcamins: it's user friendly if you do it their way. You're fighting the system!
23:43 ibeardslee actually that's not particularly user friendly
23:43 jcamins User friendly is Project Gutenberg.
23:43 dcook Well, the storage space. Not the collection. I hate itunes...
23:43 jcamins Folks: this is not user friendly!
23:43 dcook cjh: Same reason why I bought an ipod :/
23:43 cjh I am not a big fan of the DRM on the kindle, but the amazon selection was much larger than any of the competitions back when I bought it. So I sold out :)
23:43 eythian but by using it, you are potentially indirectly reducing the viability of the non-Amazon book selling and library market in favour of giving them control over what you can access.
23:43 dcook :(
23:43 jcamins It took almost 20 minutes.
23:42 dcook \o/
23:42 jcamins I successfully loaded the book onto the Kindle.
23:42 * dcook is in favour of both eythian's and jcamins's positions...
23:41 jcamins And by "my" Kindle I actually mean "not mine."
23:41 jcamins eythian: I didn't buy the Kindle, and you can't beat $0 for price.
23:40 * eythian is pretty anti-Kindle, so he'd say throw it away and buy something that doesn't contain so many anti-features.
23:40 cjh [off] you may have to turn on 3g on the kindle so it can ask amazon if you are allowed to read it, not sure how it works.
23:40 jcamins ARGH! HE USED A DIFFERENT E-MAIL ADDRESS!!
23:39 jcamins It turns out that I have to use Shari's Amazon account if I want to download the file.
23:39 jcamins However, I managed to download the file.
23:38 jcamins That was absurd.
23:38 jcamins Jeez.
23:37 jcamins I load everything via USB.
23:37 jcamins I'm totally cool with that.
23:37 wizzyrea that counts as "support"
23:36 wizzyrea from your computer
23:36 wizzyrea as in, you could put it on via USB
23:36 wizzyrea they probably do, just not from the kindle
23:36 jcamins Overdrive says that they support the Kindle DX.
23:36 jcamins Hm.
23:36 wizzyrea (the whispernet thing)
23:36 wizzyrea I thought it basically only talked to amazon
23:35 wizzyrea it doesn't even do wikipedia now, does it?
23:35 wizzyrea because kindle owners don't pay for that
23:35 wizzyrea probably because amazon asked them not to tax their 3g
23:35 jcamins cjh: I don't know, Overdrive just says "no 3g."
23:34 cjh why doesnt it support 3g? do you have to be on an internal network to use it?
23:34 jcamins They are failing my spectacularly.
23:34 jcamins That was going to be the only good thing I had to say about Queens Library, too.
23:34 wizzyrea guess you're going to get friendly with sideloading :/
23:34 cjh oh wow
23:34 jcamins overdrive--
23:33 wizzyrea well that is upsetting.
23:33 wizzyrea sayeth wikipedia
23:33 wizzyrea sure enough, it's only got 3g
23:32 jcamins It's a Kingle DX.
23:32 jcamins http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_kindle_nav_ts_wifi?nodeId=200798800
23:32 jcamins Nice... I have the Kindle... "hahaha we decided not to include wifi, sucker."
23:31 jcamins Hmm.
23:31 wizzyrea it was wifi only or wifi+3g
23:31 jcamins In Kindle years.
23:31 wizzyrea afaik
23:31 wizzyrea they didn't make those
23:30 jcamins The Kindle is pretty old.
23:30 jcamins So I'm thinking if I don't have "Wi-Fi Settings" there that's probably a pretty strong sign that there's no Wi-Fi.
23:30 wizzyrea http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200690850#wifisteps
23:29 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for jcamins" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/8
23:28 jcamins overdrive--
23:27 jcamins cjh: Overdrive doesn't support 3G. :(
23:27 cjh jcamins: well in that case isnt the 3g free to use?
23:27 cjh unless you are talking about the android/desktop applications, but they still have internet access
23:27 jcamins And, yeah.
23:27 jcamins It has 3G, but I see no way to enter a password for my wireless network.
23:26 wizzyrea ^^
23:26 cjh all kindles have either wifi or 3g ?
23:26 wizzyrea ...is it an old one?
23:26 jcamins cjh: my Kindle doesn't have wifi.
23:25 cjh heh
23:25 wizzyrea 1984, ironically
23:25 cjh once you have the book on your device wifi isnt needed
23:25 dcook Well, one ebook, which was censored/pulled/something
23:25 cjh jcamins: only to download the book
23:25 * dcook seems to remember a story where people suddenly found their Kindle ebooks missing
23:25 jcamins No, so they can deliver them, I guess.
23:24 dcook So that they can remove them from your Kindle?
23:24 wizzyrea that's interesting, it's using solr - which makes me wonder if it's blacklight
23:24 jcamins huh?
23:24 jcamins Kindle books require an active wi-fi connection...
23:23 jcamins Librarians get so spoiled.
23:23 jcamins And once again I find myself wishing I had bought myself a barcode scanner for at home.
23:22 jcamins [off] Exactly! I am ashamed to be a patron.
23:22 wizzyrea [off] wtf!
23:22 jcamins [off] Queens library! The largest library system in the United States!
23:22 wizzyrea [off] i suspect it's a big one
23:22 dcook Wow...
23:21 wizzyrea [off] who is your local library?
23:21 jcamins Changing singular to plural, removing clauses, that sort of thing.
23:21 jcamins Just, you know, different.
23:21 jcamins Within the realm of believability.
23:21 jcamins Well, their titles are similar.
23:21 dcook What are they transcribing?
23:21 jcamins Sort of like the catalogers obviously were NOT doing.
23:20 dcook O_o
23:20 jcamins And by copy I mean "transcribe."
23:19 jcamins If I copy the title from the cover image, the book comes up in Amazon.
23:19 jcamins Then I realized: the titles were transcribed wrong!
23:19 jcamins Oddly, none of the books were sold by Amazon, even though these are recent mass market books.
23:19 jcamins I've been looking for reviews of the books that were coming up in my searches.
23:18 jcamins In fact, some might say it's going embarrassingly badly.
23:18 dcook Mmmm
23:18 jcamins It's not going well.
23:18 jcamins dcook: I'm looking for books to request.
23:18 * dcook thinks he is missing some context here
23:17 jcamins An embarrassment I say!
23:15 jcamins Also, the cataloging at my local library is an embarrassment.
23:10 wizzyrea hm yes
23:09 jcamins Discovery layers are awful.
23:09 wahanui that is a good idea.
23:09 wizzyrea what's that
23:09 jcamins I have remembered something.
23:00 wizzyrea :)
22:55 jcamins ^^ not so quiet
22:55 jcamins Boo!
22:55 wizzyrea pretty quiet.
22:30 eythian yeah
22:30 jcamins If we can't figure it out, I can always just continue uploading the .deb files to download.k-c.org.
22:29 eythian I'll attack it again some time soon.
22:29 mtj eythian++ thanks for that
22:29 jcamins Thanks.
22:29 eythian jcamins: I tried to package the beta, but I'm having repository issues (it doesn't want to understand that I added a new section to the repo for it.)
22:28 eythian already done
22:27 mtj cool, i'll correct the wiki page
22:26 jcamins Right, because it was in oldstable.
22:25 mtj 3.6 *was* packaged, now that package has been removed?
22:25 mtj heya, aah gotta
22:24 eythian mtj: you updated the wiki to say 3.6 is packaged, which it isn't.
21:07 trea aww
20:54 wizzyrea bummer, missed oleonard's party
20:52 * wizzyrea waves
20:52 tweetbot [off] twitter: @nengard: "@ChPietsch I am a nerd :) I'm just compiling a list for a post to share with our partner libraries to help with their #KohaILS inventory"
20:18 drojf the last one has to clean up so i'm out ;) good night #koha
20:17 cait clever as always :)
20:13 * oleonard leaves before the party gets really quiet and awkward
20:12 * oleonard thanks everyone for the presents
20:10 cait :)
20:07 drojf it was a short party, but a lot of fun
19:40 druthb !
19:40 drojf :D
19:39 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
19:39 jcamins more confetti
19:39 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
19:39 jcamins confetti
19:39 * drojf throws confetti
19:39 * druthb cheers wildly!
19:37 * oleonard is back!
19:31 drojf as a person who has never seen my little pony, this is not bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7V_bCyZe0
19:08 oleonard It's an experiment!
19:07 oleonard Actually I'm not sure. It's a loaner because my other one went bad
19:07 mtompset (i.e. how long will it last?)
19:07 mtompset How big is your UPS?
19:03 oleonard 5 minutes
19:02 jcamins oleonard: how long has it been out?
19:00 * oleonard pats his UPS affectionately and wonders how much longer the power will be out
18:55 * druthb blames jcamins for All The Things!
18:54 mtompset Oh, as Paul P pointed out, wheezy is out. How will that affect the repository names?
18:51 mtompset Now, now. Don't go blaming jcamins for a default version in Debian vs. Ubuntu, druthb. :P
18:50 * mtompset grins at druthb.
18:50 mtompset True enough.
18:49 jcamins The good news is, that's optional.
18:49 * druthb blames jcamins. Justified or not, he's to blame.
18:49 jcamins mtompset: I think it was just the version in Debian.
18:47 mtompset How was the version of Test::WWW::Mechanize chosen? The default Ubuntu 12.04 version is only 1.36 vs. the suggested 1.44.
18:46 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:44 drojf i can read you the whole book of "sweet potato width vermicelli" if you like
18:42 oleonard It's Dadaist poetry night in #koha!
18:40 * druthb blinks, and fails her Confusing saving throw.
18:39 drojf hehe
18:39 oleonard :D
18:39 jcamins The words are. :P
18:39 drojf jcamins: "the feeling in the mouth slides crispily". is that english? :D
18:33 jcamins Right.
18:31 drojf ?
18:31 drojf not by google or something
18:31 drojf ah, so that translation was an "official" one of the german version
18:30 jcamins (i.e. the spelling was made up)
18:30 jcamins It was in Futurist orthography.
18:30 jcamins drojf: I couldn't figure out what the Polish words were.
18:30 drojf but translating from polish to english was too easy?
18:30 cait ok?
18:29 jcamins That was actually a German translation of a title in Polish that I couldn't figure out.
18:29 jcamins Thanks.
18:28 drojf well it's poetry, it could be everything ;)
18:27 cait sorry, tired brain
18:27 cait *sigh*
18:27 cait of course
18:27 cait beam
18:27 cait oh
18:26 cait ok, ntotally not spire
18:26 cait spire? i have to look it up, i am only guessing
18:26 cait a log... maybe?
18:26 cait um
18:26 jcamins In this context.
18:26 jcamins cait: drojf: Ein Balken quer über der Strasse, Kurzprosa und Gedichte <-- what is ein Balken?
18:20 tcohen i'll read the docs anyway, looking for shortcuts :-D
18:19 tcohen np, I doing some research on better error handling
18:19 cait tcohen: no idea here - sorry :(
18:19 tcohen I meant: mysqladmin create name
18:18 tcohen mysql --create-db name
18:18 drojf what cait says
18:18 cait when are you moving to germany?
18:18 tcohen we could do
18:18 drojf yes
18:18 cait capitalized wonderfully
18:18 tcohen mysql <long opts line> <<EOF multiline SQL sentences EOF
18:18 jcamins cait: drojf: is this capitalized properly: Der Raum der Worte: polnische Avantgarde und Malerbücher 1919–1990.
18:17 tcohen we do things like
18:17 tcohen on koha-create
18:17 tcohen both are distributed via mysql-client package
18:17 cait hm?
18:17 tcohen can I move from mysql to mysqladmin for administrative stuff?
18:12 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Getting to Know Larry – Moving http://t.co/fkqyvNn5XP #KohaILS"
18:08 cait no actually just a request
18:06 druthb An un-funny request from berlin?
18:06 cait not really
18:06 cait ;)
18:06 cait it's a secret
18:05 cait lol
18:05 jcamins Google translate doesn't make much sense of that.
18:05 drojf log cleaner please ;)
18:05 cait hehe :)
18:04 drojf lol
18:04 cait oups
18:04 cait oh :)
18:04 cait so ne komische anfrage aus berlin
18:04 * drojf hides
18:03 * cait glares at drojf ;)
18:00 drojf i was not sure if you would call it fish in english. and if they mean the shrimp-fish or some by-catch
17:59 jcamins :P
17:59 jcamins So, useful warnings!
17:59 drojf true
17:59 jcamins And shrimp technically isn't a fish either.
17:59 jcamins I know people with allergies to tree nuts, and I know people with allergies to peanuts, but I'm not sure I know anyone with allergies to both.
17:58 Dyrcona jcamins: Maybe, but people with nut allergies seem to allergic to them, too.
17:58 jcamins They are legumes.
17:58 jcamins Yes.
17:58 jcamins Dyrcona: well, technically, aren't peanuts not nuts?
17:58 drojf it's always good to know ;)
17:57 * Dyrcona has a jar of peanuts that says "May contain nuts."
17:56 druthb lol
17:54 drojf it says "may contain fish" :D
17:53 jcamins *Shrimp
17:53 jcamins drojf: Shrim paste casserole?
17:51 drojf and i wonder what i'm going to do with that shrimp paste i bought out of curiosity
17:49 drojf now i'm curious what kf wanted. i hope i did not break the translation or something
17:45 drojf i hope i like the sweet potato ones, the package is huge :D
17:44 drojf i still have some. but now i also got sweet potato vermicelli and tapioca vermicelli
17:42 jcamins Well, tasteless, actually.
17:42 jcamins Rice flour is yummy!
17:42 jcamins drojf: :(
17:42 drojf funny that i have just been to the asian market but i have to come here to remember i could have looked for rice flour :D maybe next time
17:40 jcamins Ah.
17:40 drojf i did not close the curtains properly and it gets light outside pretty early these days. could not sleep in again after that
17:40 jcamins Accidentally?
17:39 drojf i could fall asleep before she arrives though. i accidentally got up at 5am
17:38 drojf i'd see it more as "i sign on ten minutes before cait arrives" :)
17:36 drojf heh
17:36 jcamins drojf: that looked like a wink to me. :P
17:36 drojf :(
17:35 drojf oh .( i didn't know
17:34 * druthb gets the duct tape, to keep drojf in place until cait comes in.
17:34 jcamins Very sneaky.
17:33 jcamins drojf: kf has been waiting for you all day, and you sign in ten minutes after she leaves?!?
17:14 tcohen ^o)
17:13 tcohen ok, haven't filled it yet
17:13 magnuse tcohen: mark 7428 as a duplicate of your bug?
17:08 tcohen magnuse: did the checks already in the revisited script
17:07 magnuse yeah tcohen++ totally!
17:07 kf tcohen++ btw :)
17:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7428 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-create should check for length of instancename
17:06 magnuse tcohen: bug 7428
16:47 tcohen not big deal anyway
16:47 jcamins :)
16:47 tcohen i pretend to use u as a idiomatic validator heh
16:46 jcamins Good, because I haven't even seen it. :P
16:45 tcohen jcamins, there's no rush for what I sent u
16:37 kf drojf is still not here... tsk.
16:21 jcamins \o/
16:21 kf jcamins++
16:18 kf working with old 3.6 today and missing lots of buttons and links
16:18 kf btw - we really made koha lots prettier since 3.6 :)
16:17 kf i get suspicious when you 2 agree like that
16:16 jcamins Well done, kf!
16:16 oleonard Yeah, that's probably it kf
16:16 jcamins Actually, that makes perfect sense.
16:16 kf but it could still be stored in a sane way...
16:16 kf oleonard: maybe the idea was that.. um. you don't know which number the patron ends up with and they had a file of cardnumbers and photos?
16:15 oleonard Oh well.
16:15 oleonard It works, anyway. Card number changes propagate to the patronimage table, but that seems unnecessary
16:14 tcohen oleonard: that sound bad
16:13 jcamins oleonard: no idea, but it sounds wrong.
16:13 oleonard Why are patron images stored based on card number rather than borrowernumber?
16:11 jcamins tcohen: given that Koha won't work with an instance with a longer name as it is, I see no problem with simply rejecting longer instance names.
16:09 tcohen 11 chars limit actually
16:09 jcamins tcohen: yes, I think imposing a limit is reasonable.
16:09 tcohen automatic truncation could lead to user name collision...
16:08 tcohen should we impose a limit on the instance name?
16:08 tcohen but the db usr name built from the instance name
16:08 tcohen catching the db name length problem is straightforwrd
16:07 tcohen (64 and 16 respectively)
16:07 tcohen the problem with it is that both DB name and DB user have a lenght limit in MySQL
16:07 tcohen question: currently an arbitrary instance name can be provided to koha-create
16:04 gaetan_B bye !
15:57 jcamins maximep: it's a relational database. If you're SPLITing things, you're doing it wrong.
15:54 kf cookies for anyone coming up with a solution? ;)
15:51 maximep there's no SPLIT function in mysql ? so weird :S
15:50 kf oh well.
15:49 kf and only have sql right now
15:49 kf tcohen: i need a list of those codes
15:49 kf tcohen: meh
15:43 tcohen mysql sucks for that kf, you need a function to split it
15:39 kf the problem is that ExtractValue always gives me all of them in one line... so i have a completely unusable list showing all the possible combinations
15:39 kf and I want to generate a list wich all values for this subfield using an sql report
15:38 kf i have a repeatable subfield
15:38 kf maybe someone has an idea
15:38 kf hm
15:38 gmcharlt but that doesn't, I think, materially affect how you would go about with your work on the new theme
15:37 gmcharlt I expect that can be attended to later; mainly I want to make sure that (assuming we use the Debian packages) that less tweaking is needed as compared to how we use YUI
15:37 oleonard gmcharlt: Did you have something in mind?
15:37 gmcharlt oleonard: fair enough
15:36 oleonard gmcharlt: I don't know anything about Debian Bootstrap packages, nor how they might interact with the new theme.
15:35 kf oleonard: should be easy to find out I think
15:17 nengard i too wonder this ...
15:17 oleonard Is the "borrow" permission used for anything?
15:13 reiveune bye
14:59 jcamins Is anyone going to point out to this thread that Koha doesn't do anything special with ISBNs?
14:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8896 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Delete serials no more missing from missinglist
14:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable
14:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10183 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Serials collection table is displayed with a single pixel before and after
14:59 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 8896 QA Followup for regex
14:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10176 major, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols
14:59 jenkins_koha * Lyon3 Team: Bug 8896: Delete serials no more missing from missinglist
14:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10166: Increment holdable counter
14:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10166 - Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable
14:59 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10183: Remove single pixel on the serials collection page
14:59 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10176: Solve the Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols
14:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1164: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1164/
14:52 jcamins Or something like that.
14:52 jcamins C4::Auth::check_cookie_auth
14:52 jcamins It should be replaced with the appropriate authentication call.
14:51 jcamins I understand.
14:51 jcamins Ohh.
14:51 oleonard But the script doesn't output to any template
14:51 oleonard Part of "my ( $template, $borrowernumber, $cookie ) = get_template_and_user("
14:51 jcamins why's it there?
14:51 jcamins oleonard: ummm...
14:50 oleonard jcamins: How do you think I should handle the reference to opac-userupdate.tt in opac-patron-image.pl?
14:49 jcamins We'll test- I am convinced that it does not cause any string changes, but always good to be safe.
14:48 oleonard Yes
14:48 jcamins But each change is 1-line only.
14:47 oleonard Whoops, two lines in opac-reserve.tt
14:44 jcamins Thanks.
14:44 jcamins Right.
14:44 oleonard One line in opac-reserve.tt, one line in opac-user.tt
14:43 jcamins oleonard: one clarification: when you say that you want to change a link URL, you're talking about a 1-line change, right?
14:42 oleonard There is a reference to opac-userupdate.tt in opac-patron-image.pl but it doesn't look like it really does anything. Not sure what to do with it.
14:41 oleonard Good, I hope this bug has a chance. I'll submit a patch today.
14:40 jcamins Yes.
14:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10201 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Old OPAC patron update system should be removed
14:40 oleonard Would changes to a link URL be okay after string freeze? Bug 10201
14:28 kf oh yay ;)
14:27 jcamins So... at least we're consistent?
14:27 jcamins kf: actually, maxreserves broke before it was added to the circ matrix.
14:20 gmcharlt and yes, --populate-db assumes that by db + dbuser are in plae
14:19 gmcharlt tcohen: looks like --create creates the db + user; --use doesn't create the db but does create the user
14:17 tcohen hmm, no gmcharlt, looks like the only way we can create an instance without koha-create trying to create the db user and the db is the two-step --request-db then --populate-db
14:14 oleonard gmcharlt: You always seem to get the pianohacker quotes
14:14 gmcharlt tcohen: I believe so
14:14 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
14:14 gmcharlt @quote random
13:53 tcohen quick question, koha-create --usedb expects the DB stuff being already created, right (or at least that should be the behaviour)
13:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1164 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8896 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Delete serials no more missing from missinglist
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13:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable
13:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10183 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Serials collection table is displayed with a single pixel before and after
13:47 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 8896 QA Followup for regex
13:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10176 major, P5 - low, ---, karamqubsi, Pushed to Master , Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols
13:47 jenkins_koha * Lyon3 Team: Bug 8896: Delete serials no more missing from missinglist
13:47 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10166: Increment holdable counter
13:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10166 - Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable
13:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10183: Remove single pixel on the serials collection page
13:47 jenkins_koha * Karam Qubsi: Bug 10176: Solve the Invalid URLs in 'Refine Search Results' when it uses UNICODE symbols
13:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #25: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/25/
13:44 kf ever since maxreserves was added to circ matrix :(
13:44 kf yep
13:44 oleonard In short: Hold limits busted.
13:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6976 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, REOPENED , User hold limit can be avoided by users in OPAC
13:39 magnuse bug 6976
13:38 kf oleonard: probably also 6976
13:38 huginn` kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
13:38 huginn` kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title
13:38 huginn` kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6976 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, REOPENED , User hold limit can be avoided by users in OPAC
13:38 kf @query maxreserves
13:30 druthb o/
13:24 oleonard Not sure why 8238 exists, and didn't notice 4045 was "in discussion" now
13:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
13:24 oleonard Bug 4045
13:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8238 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Hold limits broken
13:24 oleonard Bug 8238
13:23 kf oleonard: is there a bug for that? or is it the longtanding maxreserves one?
13:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10166 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Can't place holds on multiple titles if one or more are un-holdable
13:18 oleonard jcamins++ # For adding a follow-up to Bug 10166 and for having the optimism to think someone might someday fix the maxholds issue
13:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #25 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:03 oleonard I think it would make more sense to start putting search results template stuff into includes which can be added to opac-results.tt: "Normal," "grouped," "Solr," etc.
13:02 Joubu oleonard: I could not add my changes to the existing opac-results.tt.
13:00 Joubu It seemed better to have a specific directory for templates related to search
13:00 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'master' of git://git.koha-community.org/koha into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af6fa247fd2c1340a9becb81794674b3e7ee9da7> / Merge branch 'bug_8896' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b40febb4ba63f94e9d5a5198789b083868b7040b> / Bug 8896 QA Followup for regex <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdi
12:58 oleonard Joubu: Why keep it separate from other templates?
12:58 Joubu jcamins, kf: yep, opac/search.pl and the tt/search dir are introduced by the Solr draft.
12:50 jcamins oleonard: it's not accessed through C4::Templates so it made sense to me to separate it from the ones that are.
12:50 tcohen morning #koha
12:50 oleonard jcamins: What does it matter that it's non-HTML if it's a template like the others?
12:45 jcamins I suspect it's part of the solr "support" BibLibre added.
12:45 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/search/results.tt;h=39b5405bfddf08fb2ea738ed832375d96f799ed5;hb=92f289e9a19a61ca2bd509a0f251b13de5e4c773
12:45 jcamins Oh, I see where you're looking.
12:45 kf oh something with bookbags?
12:45 jcamins ?
12:44 kf title="Search for works by this author" < looks unfamiliar
12:44 kf hm wonder where that is used
12:43 kf i will have to recheck
12:43 jcamins And I have no idea what the search directory is for.
12:43 kf that could be translatable
12:43 jcamins oleonard: we have the text directory because we needed somewhere to put non-HTML text for translation.
12:43 kf it's in TT things
12:43 kf it's not really text
12:43 kf ah
12:42 jcamins in modules.
12:42 kf wanted to take a look :)
12:42 jcamins Or, at least, it was when we tested it.
12:42 kf wher is it?
12:42 jcamins The text directory is translatable.
12:41 kf because it's probably not translatable
12:41 kf what is in text?
12:41 kf oleonard: ugh?
12:40 oleonard Speaking of OPAC directory structure, why do we now have a "text" directory with a single template in it? And a "search" one with another single template?
12:34 kf oleonard++ the screenshots look awesome :)
12:20 kf hi oleonard :)
12:13 oleonard Hi #koha
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11:49 christophe_c hello #koha
11:49 magnuse wassaaap!
11:48 NateC sup magnuse!
11:48 magnuse kia ora NateC
11:48 NateC Hello everyone
11:48 huginn` kf: The operation succeeded.
11:48 kf @later tell drojf ping me
11:48 kf hm no drojf
10:19 magnuse so hooray for getting the items out of the marcxml! :-)
10:19 magnuse 1400 items on one record does not seem to be a big problem, btw. it takes a while to display the whole list, of course, but circ seems to be the same speed as "ordinary" records
09:58 kf it also contains a fix to not kill all suspended holds on update
09:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10185 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase.pl remove all reserves
09:58 kf bug 10185
09:57 kf can we get a sign off on our newest evil blocker bug?
09:44 magnuse hm...
09:44 magnuse and that should automatically limit searches to your chosen library too
09:43 magnuse (so when you click on a special link you get a cookie that sets your chosen library - similar to how it works for languages, i guess)
09:40 magnuse that reminds me: it would be nice if you could 1) choose your branch without logging in 2) have links that choose the "active" branch when you click on them
09:40 wahanui The cookie jar is on the RM's desk, so you'd better ask him about that.
09:40 kf or cookie?
09:40 kf and maybe you could enhance it to take an URL parameter?
09:39 kf yeah, but it's still nice I guess
09:39 magnuse only works for logged in users, though
09:39 kf separate tabs for your logged in branch items and the other items
09:39 magnuse ah found it
09:39 kf yes in 3.12
09:39 magnuse there are new prefs for separate holdings?
09:38 magnuse ah yes, i get the "click here to see all" link when i try another instance
09:36 kf that should help a bit organising the items
09:36 kf magnuse: for the school - maybe try out the new prefs for separate holdings
09:35 rangi if you turn that on without one item being suppressed it does that
09:34 rangi ah yeah
09:34 magnuse trying another instance now
09:34 magnuse it was my public demo, so maybe someone experimented with the opac suppression stuff
09:34 rangi they all have a branch/itemtype set?
09:32 magnuse was there a bug about that?
09:32 magnuse but they do show on the marc detail view
09:32 magnuse all the books say no copies available
09:32 magnuse hm, there is something weird with my demo install
09:27 kf [off] https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=5970
09:26 kf bad
09:26 kf if someone broke the link that would be bac
09:26 kf i know that when there are more than x it doesn't show them all
09:26 kf hm andno link to show more?
09:26 magnuse but now i get "zero items" in the opac...
09:25 magnuse yeah, that was not a problem at all
09:24 kf magnuse: you could add the items quite easily ai guess with the duplicate feature
09:24 kf magnuse: maybe just try?
09:17 drojf oh, i see
09:15 magnuse drojf: it's a consortium of schools, so there would be one book per student/pupil
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09:13 drojf magnuse: 4000 items for one record?? what kind of record/item is that?
09:13 kf marcelr: true :) just meant one is going ot go away again at some time
09:12 marcelr kf: opacthemes just shows all theme folders it finds
09:04 marcelr kf: yes, we should write it in the pref descr too
09:03 magnuse does anyone have experience with huge numbers of items in koha? like 1400 attached to one record for one library, and 4000 total for that record?
09:03 kf and we could amend the description of the pref for some next release to make it clerer how it works
09:02 kf if there is only one in the pulldown by default
09:02 kf i think as we will probably remove the ccsr separate option, there might be no need to specify
09:01 marcelr should be
09:01 magnuse isn't the main theme just the one you get by default when you install?
08:55 marcelr rangi: yeah, i think we should say somewhere "this is the main theme" :)
08:51 cjh \o/
08:49 kf well, in getting rid of yui that is :)
08:48 kf and using bootstrap, so i guess even better than the ccsr
08:47 mtj yeah, i saw some last week too - they looked awesome
08:45 kf mtj: he showed screenshots and said he got cart working... so I think for 3.14 :)
08:44 * magnuse has seen screenshots
08:44 drojf have a best-of-both-worlds theme
08:44 magnuse oh, he's working on it
08:43 drojf or at least planned
08:43 mtj snap
08:43 drojf yeah i think that is already happening :)
08:43 magnuse i think oleonard is working on merging prog and ccsr?
08:43 mtj would be nice for the offical opac theme, to have some responsive stuff, too
08:42 mtj i guess that other thing to do would be to update the prog includes dir, with the ccsr mobile stuff
08:38 mtj drojf, no problemo ^^
08:37 rangi that would fix that for languages too, i think there is a bug/patch for that already
08:36 rangi yup
08:36 mtj tho, ftw, the 'lib' stuff could be moved up to a shared top-level dir?
08:35 rangi marcelr: we did a long time ago with the prog theme, but im not sure its written anywhere now
08:35 drojf multichannel_communication++
08:35 drojf mtj: thanks for answering me on the mailing list :D
08:34 rangi its quite cool like that
08:34 rangi so most opac changes mean you only have to change prog
08:33 rangi 5 includes and some css
08:32 rangi check it out
08:32 mtj … but its nice to discover the fall-thru thing, today
08:32 rangi even the ccsr only has a few includes different
08:32 mtj ive been holding off submitting an OPAC theme for a while, coz i was dreading all the duplication fail
08:31 rangi heh
08:30 cjh and a header with my name is big bold letters
08:30 drojf based on your borrowed books maybe :D
08:30 drojf that would be cool, right?
08:29 cjh drojf: I would be very impressed if my library had a theme just for me xD
08:29 drojf cjh: i know :)
08:29 cjh drojf: I really meant the user's category, but that isn't impossible :)
08:29 marcelr where do we actually say which theme is the officially supported one btw?
08:29 rangi i just havent got round to it
08:29 rangi yeah just need a cookie, just like the language easy peasy
08:28 drojf one theme per user! ;)
08:27 cjh having a theme depend on the logged in user or chosen branch sounds amazing.
08:26 cjh that is so cool
08:26 drojf oh look, a themes discussion :)
08:26 rangi you could do with jquery i guess, but youd slow the page down
08:25 rangi ie nice cartoon itemtype images for the kids etc
08:25 rangi which you cant do with css
08:25 rangi so you can different itemtype images for different themes
08:25 mtj lol, that actually solves a bunch of my 'perceived' theme problems
08:24 rangi its useful for just changing images and stuff
08:24 magnuse that does sound excellent
08:24 rangi if it can't find one it falls back to en
08:23 rangi its like the languages
08:23 mtj aah, i never knew that
08:23 kf that's why it's a cool feature and probably useful :)
08:23 rangi you can make a theme that includes precisely one template
08:23 kf if you don't provide your own version of the template file, it uses the prog one
08:23 mtj problem solved
08:23 mtj aaah, ok
08:23 kf you don't need symlinking
08:23 rangi *nod*
08:23 kf mtj: it already falls back
08:22 rangi hmm what for?
08:22 mtj well, heres another good idea re: themes…. for those themes that want to, they could *choose* to symlink to the offical theme
08:20 mtj cheers, very much appreciated!
08:19 * rangi does :)
08:19 magnuse one theme to rule them all!
08:19 mtj hey…so someone reply to my email, and tell me to shut the f*ck up, please? :)
08:19 rangi because that does get hard fast
08:19 rangi im all for not supporting more than one officially tho
08:19 kf yeah but I still think it will always be a bit limited in some ways, why destroy a feature we just got back to work nicely?
08:18 rangi when we run html5 everywhere maybe
08:18 rangi but not quite everything
08:18 rangi you can do lots with css
08:17 kf rangi++
08:17 rangi so you can switch the opacs in the kids room to the kids theme etc
08:17 kf I can imagina a library with some special use case that wants to change a page like th request page or similar
08:17 rangi and id like to extend it so people can pick their theme int he opac, as well as language
08:17 kf yeah
08:16 rangi so you only need to change the little bits you want
08:16 rangi it falls back
08:16 rangi the thing that works well, is it is like the languages
08:15 kf rangi: that's a cool eample why we shoudl keep it
08:15 rangi we have a kids theme
08:15 rangi im ok with a policy of supporting one theme officially and letting people do their own
08:14 mtj ok, if people are ok with that… then i'm ok with that too :)
08:14 kf and the community doesn't have a problem at all, as long as we don't support 2 themes officially
08:13 kf if someone wantst o take it up to use their own templates - it shoudl be their choice
08:13 kf and I am pro keeping the logic we just repaired
08:13 kf mtj: I am still not sure I understand you
08:10 mtj <eythian> [17:16:04] mtj: 3.6 is not packaged.
08:09 mtj eythian, did you ping me before?
08:09 mtj kf, just replied u :)
07:47 kf hi marcelr :)
07:46 marcelr hi kf
07:42 kf good morning to you wahanui
07:41 wahanui it has been said that germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
07:41 huginn` GERMS!!!!
07:26 marcelr hi magnuse
07:19 magnuse hiya marcelr
07:17 marcelr hi #koha
07:16 magnuse ooh, new release of DBIx::Class with good speed improvements! http://jjnapiorkowski.typepad.com/modern-perl/2013/05/perl-dbixclass-an-awesome-orm-now-with-super-speed.html#.UYdYghxShhk
07:10 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
07:09 gaetan_B hello :)
06:56 * magnuse waves
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06:48 jajm hello
06:45 alex_a bonjour
06:45 asaurat hi
06:45 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
06:45 reiveune hello
05:43 cait ah right, I saw wizzyrea's comment on facebook
05:42 eythian hmm, I can't tell. I think it's eased off a bit. Windy with chance of earthquakes at the moment mostly.
05:42 cait probably going to regret that mail
05:42 cait still raining?
05:41 cait hi eythian
05:40 eythian hi cait
05:39 cjh and its home time, night #koha
05:37 wahanui i think mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
05:37 cait mailing list
05:37 wahanui mailinglists are mailing list.
05:37 cait mailinglists
05:35 cait evening cjh :)
05:34 cjh morning cait :)
05:33 cait quiet :)
05:33 cait hm
05:25 cait good morning #koha
05:20 eythian hmph
05:20 huginn` eythian: unknown tag 999$c
05:20 eythian @marc 999$c
05:17 eythian sure thing :)
05:17 zebran00b nice, thanks. We'll wipe the slate and run the package. Thanks for all the help - don't be surprised if I'm here again later this week, though.
05:16 eythian mtj: 3.6 is not packaged.
05:14 eythian also, there are a bunch of 'koha-*' commands to handle common tasks
05:14 eythian you need to set up some DNS to point to your server, maybe tweak the apache settings if you want something custom, but that's about it.
05:12 zebran00b cool
05:12 eythian koha-create creates your database, sets up permissions, configures apache, etc.
05:12 eythian but that's about it.
05:12 eythian and make a file with your settings
05:11 eythian once you've got the packages installed, you do need to a2enmod rewrite
05:11 zebran00b really? just plain old Debian?
05:11 eythian nope
05:11 zebran00b right, but I need to create a mySQL database and set up Apache before I run it
05:10 eythian it's because packages do that for you
05:10 eythian you just follow the instructions on the wiki. It's just installing koha-common and mysql-server if you want a local db server.
05:10 zebran00b I'm looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian and it doesn't go into prerequisites
05:09 zebran00b once I have LAMP running, do I need to install anything perl-related prior to using the package, or is that all baked in?
05:08 eythian it's a good time to experiment if you don't have real data in there.
05:08 eythian (using the packages, that is)
05:08 eythian Mind you, I have done this a few times :)
05:08 eythian I can go from blank to up and running in about 30 minutes, most of which is waiting for downloads and installs.
05:07 zebran00b yeah, I think I may just delete the whole Debian profile on my server and start from zero
05:06 * eythian recommends the packages because this is all done for you.
05:05 eythian well, it's not uncommon. It looks like you've done an install and are also running things out of the directory you installed from. But it's hard to be sure.
05:05 zebran00b we're only trying to run a single instance here
05:05 zebran00b was Koha installed twice? Should it have directories both in /etc/ and /home/?
05:04 eythian but it'd pay to check.
05:04 eythian this said, I expect the zebra daemon and the rebuild-zebra to be using the same one.
05:04 zebran00b that's an excellent question!
05:03 eythian yeah. so you have two koha-conf files. I wonder if that's confusing things. Which one does the web side use?
05:02 zebran00b much better
05:02 pastebot "zebran00b" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "locate koha-conf.xml" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/7
05:02 eythian now try the locate again
05:02 zebran00b done
05:01 eythian then run 'sudo updatedb'
05:01 eythian oh
05:01 zebran00b locate: can not stat () `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory
05:01 zebran00b locate koha-conf.xml
05:00 eythian what does 'locate koha-conf.xml' give you?
05:00 eythian ah wait
04:59 zebran00b yup
04:59 zebran00b everything during this discussion is under koha
04:59 eythian and it clearly worked out where your koha-conf is, as it outputs the path to it
04:59 zebran00b yes
04:59 eythian well, when you ran the rebuild before, you ran it as koha right?
04:59 zebran00b so KOHA_CONF is set under root but not koha?
04:58 eythian you should get an error from rebuild_zebra if that's not set.
04:58 eythian ok, the user is good, but the KOHA_CONF thing is weird
04:57 zebran00b whoami=koha, echo $KOHA_CONF results in a blank line!
04:57 eythian like, that's what comes out if you type out 'whoami'?
04:56 zebran00b current koha
04:56 eythian and what's the result of 'echo $KOHA_CONF'?
04:56 eythian what user are you running as now?
04:56 eythian yeah
04:55 zebran00b that look right?
04:55 pastebot "zebran00b" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ps ax|grep zebra" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/6
04:54 eythian ps ax|grep zebra
04:54 zebran00b I believe so - how do I check that again?
04:54 eythian you do have your zebra daemon running?
04:54 zebran00b but 2 exported now
04:53 eythian that's more like what I'd expect
04:53 zebran00b new record still doesn't show up in OPAC search results
04:53 zebran00b very interesting
04:52 pastebot "zebran00b" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "PERL5LIB=/home/koha /home/koha/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -v" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/5
04:51 eythian -z is saying to only do new stuff
04:51 eythian yeah
04:51 zebran00b so -b -a -v?
04:51 eythian get rid
04:51 wizzyrea rid*
04:51 eythian err
04:51 eythian get right of -z
04:51 eythian wait
04:50 zebran00b there's actually two, one of which is already indexed and appears in search, but it was indexed under root (discovering that's where permissions seem to be working)
04:50 eythian are you sure you don't have multiple koha-conf.xml files pointing to multiple databases, and sometimes you use one, sometimes you use another?
04:50 eythian OK, so you have no records in your database according to this
04:49 pastebot "zebran00b" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "PERL5LIB=/home/koha /home/koha/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a -v" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/4
04:48 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org
04:48 eythian wahanui: paste
04:48 eythian use this:
04:48 eythian it doesn't did biblios as well?
04:48 eythian is that all of the output?
04:48 eythian ah right
04:48 zebran00b mistyped that last word
04:48 zebran00b sorry, it doesn't if I rebuild under *kohauser*
04:47 zebran00b I added a new record, and I know if I run rebuild_zebra.pl under root, that new record will be indexed and appear in search results. But it doesn't if I rebuild_zebra under root.
04:47 zebran00b Zebra configuration information ================================ Zebra biblio directory = /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios Zebra authorities directory = /var/lib/koha/zebradb/authorities Koha directory = /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin BIBLIONUMBER in : 999$c BIBLIOITEMNUMBER in : 999$d ================================ ==================== exporting authority ==================== Records exported: 0 Records exported: 0 =================
04:46 eythian run it with -v, see what that says.
04:46 zebran00b just a new command line
04:46 eythian actually, maybe it needs -v to give output
04:46 zebran00b zero output
04:46 zebran00b but on the other hand, updates aren't appearing in search
04:46 eythian that surprises me. Did it give you output that was meaningful?
04:45 zebran00b ran it, no errors
04:45 zebran00b ah, got it
04:44 eythian It'll probably have another error, but I'd have to see it to know how to change things next.
04:44 eythian so where you're typing the command you gave, instead you tpye the command I gave you.
04:43 eythian no, the ... was to indicate that it's just continuing what you already have
04:42 zebran00b Where do I add PERL5LIB=/home/koha /home/koha/misc/migration_tools?
04:40 eythian If you want to uninstall what you've done, you undo whatever you've done to get where you are.
04:40 zebran00b understood about the .
04:39 zebran00b where do I change the PATH? And if I install the package, how do I uninstall everything?
04:39 eythian it takes care of all the paths for you
04:39 eythian all this said, I would recommend that you use the packages unless you're planning on doing development.
04:38 eythian (and don't have the '.' in front of the path, that'll make things weird and you don't want that.)
04:38 eythian PERL5LIB=/home/koha /home/koha/misc/migration....
04:38 eythian so like:
04:38 eythian OK, so you have Koha installed into /home/koha then, so you need to tell Perl that it's there.
04:37 zebran00b ./home/koha/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a
04:36 eythian OK. so, what's the command you're running that gives you that error?
04:36 zebran00b I think so
04:36 eythian are you running from git?
04:36 eythian That's most likely a perl path issue.
04:35 eythian that has nothing to do with cpan.
04:35 zebran00b when I run rebuild_zebra.pl manually as kohauser, it says Can't locate Koha/DateUtils.pm in @INC
04:35 eythian then why are you messing with cpan?
04:35 zebran00b Debian, Koha 3.10
04:34 eythian and exactly what errors are you seeing?
04:34 eythian what platform are you on?
04:34 zebran00b so I'm trying to figure out if I need to edit the sudoer env_keep option or something else
04:33 zebran00b its not really a CPAN issue so much as a permissions issue
04:33 zebran00b it looks like I installed CPAN under root and that's why rebuild_zebra.pl isn't running properly under kohauser
04:30 eythian Yes, kinda...
04:28 zebran00b anybody familiar with CPAN?
04:19 wahanui OK, eythian.
04:19 eythian wahanui: cooking help is http://awfullibrarybooks.net/kitchen-tech/
03:49 * dcook waves
03:48 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:42 dcook Yeah, we've had a few people express an interest in it. I think the function is there, but the code could probably be optimized.
03:40 eythian I might be able to do a little bit of that. Though it'd be worth a post to the list, probably a bit of interest in this sort of thing.
03:38 dcook Feedback/testing would be more than welcome :)
03:38 eythian nice
03:38 dcook eythian: I have a few more changes to make, but I should have a testable version of the z39.50 authority searching up tomorrow :)
03:37 dcook Yay! It's alive!!!
02:46 dcook Just need to import them into the edit authority form and maybe make a flag in the z39.50 server table to distinguish between authority and bibliographic databases
02:46 dcook I think I'm getting there...the search interface is working, the records are importing correctly into the DB...
02:43 dcook eythian: Before I opened the file, I totally thought that might be the case ;)
02:43 eythian dcook: that sub actually imports Marshall Breeding into your library.
02:26 dcook Hmm. Perhaps I'll leave it for now and it can be up for discussion during testing
02:13 dcook Since I'm writing a new sub for importing z39.50 authorities. I don't necessarily just want to replicate existing code. Hence the scrutiny.
02:13 dcook that*
02:13 dcook Mmm, true taht
02:13 jcamins I mean the $overwrite_biblio flag generally.
02:12 dcook If it's about showing results
02:12 dcook Well, maybe not...
02:12 jcamins That's bizarre.
02:12 jcamins Wow.
02:11 dcook So it's always possible that you're actually wanting to bring in a newer bib...
02:11 dcook Mind you, the checks are just done for things like isbn/issn/title
02:11 dcook In the case of the z39.50 searching, we do those checks but bypass the results
02:10 dcook We check if the biblio is already in the database then in the breeding/import pool...but only stop the process if a certain overwrite_biblio flag is provided
02:10 dcook The overwrite_biblio flag is...interesting though
02:10 dcook No real problems per se
02:10 jcamins The sub.
02:09 dcook :p
02:09 dcook With dates or the sub?
02:09 jcamins dcook: what problem have you encountered?
02:06 * dcook never really thought about terms like Fall 2013 being problematic until moving hemispheres..
02:02 dcook in Breeding.pm?
02:02 dcook Hmm, anyone familiar with the "ImportBreeding" sub?
01:51 rangi so they just need to fix that url
01:51 rangi yep
01:50 wizzyrea actually, I've proved that the file itself is ok, given a slimutil url that works
01:50 jcamins wizzyrea: have you tested it with a remote stylesheet on your local VM?
01:50 eythian the one I'd start with is that 404 though
01:50 rangi or put the intranet url
01:50 wizzyrea I think there are several problem.s
01:49 rangi i suspect thats the problem since the thing 404s
01:49 wizzyrea the file is public tho
01:49 rangi ah ha
01:49 wizzyrea the user will have to, I don't have access to the dropbox.
01:49 rangi https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/opac-tmpl/prog/pnf/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl <-- try that
01:49 jcamins wizzyrea: I haven't tried recently, though.
01:49 rangi yeah thats a intranet url on the opac :)
01:49 wizzyrea since the consensus is "no it's just you, noob" it must be just me ;)
01:48 eythian also, what are you trying this from? is it a server that's firewalled?
01:48 wizzyrea I really just wanted to know if anyone else had had that problem.
01:48 wizzyrea well also the url is just wrong. anyway, I'll figure it out
01:47 wizzyrea hmmmm
01:47 rangi if i wget https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/intranet-tmpl/prog/pnf/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl
01:47 rangi To connect to library.plantandfood.co.nz insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.
01:47 rangi ERROR: cannot verify library.plantandfood.co.nz's certificate, issued by `/C=US/O=GeoTrust, Inc./CN=RapidSSL CA': Unable to locally verify the issuer's authority.
01:47 eythian that's also possible, yeah
01:47 eythian but you're pulling one file in from within another XSLT, right? So that might be internal to the parser.
01:47 rangi i think its the https
01:47 wizzyrea yep, i'm going to poke it
01:47 rangi should be able to throw some warns in to find out
01:47 wizzyrea yea
01:46 rangi its doing it in C4/XSLT right?
01:46 eythian (assuming the xslt parser implements that)
01:46 wizzyrea maybe.
01:46 eythian hmm. Possibly a cross-domain restriction?
01:46 wizzyrea https://dl.dropbox.com/s/p8zxtrhjvmzd13r/MARC21slim2intranetResults.xsl
01:46 wizzyrea that's not the actual url
01:46 wizzyrea no
01:45 eythian if that dropbox url is the one you're actually using, it won't work...
01:45 wizzyrea anyway, I'll keep poking at it.
01:45 wizzyrea but I can get it with a web browser.
01:45 wizzyrea but it claims it can't load it.
01:45 wizzyrea url in the xsl http://url-to-running/slimutils.xsl
01:44 wizzyrea anyway, the setup is like so - URL in the syspref https://dl.dropbox/therestofit
01:43 wizzyrea lolooool
01:42 jcamins Okay, packages should work fine.
01:41 wizzyrea packages actually
01:41 jcamins Hm.
01:41 wizzyrea hm no
01:41 jcamins wizzyrea: ooh, wait... is this a recent git installation?
01:41 wizzyrea (if both the file and the slimutils are local)
01:41 wizzyrea I don't see a reason why this particular thing isn't working. It works with it given a path
01:41 rangi http://instagram.com/p/Y80uMPRgsd/# <-- tourists
01:40 jcamins And quite a while ago.
01:40 jcamins wizzyrea: the one time I tried it, it worked. But that was only once.
01:40 wizzyrea as in, I have edited the xsl file to import from a url, the xsl file itself is coming from a 3rd party site.
01:39 wizzyrea does anyone else have trouble with the custom xslt stylesheets not loading the slimutils from a given URL?
01:31 mtj ok, so lets put that topic aside for a while… :p
01:22 mtj cool
01:22 mtj ''powerfully customisable' themes are a bug, disguised as a feature
01:21 jcamins As I said, I don't object to the proposal at all.
01:21 mtj … so, i am speaking with some definite hindsight here, wrt: my current opinion on themes
01:20 * wizzyrea maintained two themes for a while. Nightmare doesn't really begin
01:19 mtj but the reality was, it was a nitemare
01:19 jcamins lol
01:19 mtj a salesperson might describe that as a 'powerfully customisable feature'
01:18 jcamins Heh. Yes.
01:18 mtj as you might guess
01:18 mtj ...and we bumped into many problems :)
01:17 mtj see, before your time, koha had 2 themes… with nothing shared between them
01:16 mtj just checking ;)
01:16 jcamins I thnk that's a laudable goal.
01:16 jcamins I know.
01:16 mtj oh, when i said 'merging of the 2 themes' before ^^ , i meant 'sharing as much common code between all themes'
01:15 jcamins So I'll offer a voice of support to any project that is moving forward, but nothing more than "attaboy."
01:14 jcamins Sure, but in hindsight, that was not a good use of my time. Koha could've done without a usable mobile interface another year or two longer.
01:13 mtj well, youve done a great job with the CCSR stuff, so far
01:12 jcamins After the incredible volume of complaints about my volunteering my time to get CCSR working, I am not spending any of my time that is not *very* well recompensed on this sort of project.
01:12 jcamins Right.
01:11 mtj ..the feature of seperate include dirs, per theme?
01:11 jcamins I don't know. I certainly am not working on it anymore.
01:11 mtj so, jcamins is it a feature worth having?
01:11 jcamins *that
01:11 jcamins I agree with taht.
01:10 mtj so my redesign idea reflects that
01:10 mtj (owen and kyle?) - i happen to agree, too
01:09 mtj i have heard others recently saying, that a merging of the 2 themes, was a way forward...
01:08 mtj ok, no probs
01:06 mtj remember this is start of a discussion, pulled from my ass, on a sunday evening
01:05 jcamins That was not his intention.
01:05 * jcamins is sorry that he offended you.
01:05 mtj the accusation that i havent, is pretty offensive :/
01:04 jcamins Thanks.
01:04 jcamins Yeah, that e-mail is perfect.
01:04 mtj dcook, i have tried to be a explicit as i can!
01:03 jcamins It's a feature, but not necessarily a good one.
01:03 mtj ...is the includes dir thing a feature, or a bug?
01:03 dcook mtj: I don't think jcamins is criticizing your idea. Rather, I think he's saying that you could just be a bit more explicit/comprehensive in your description
01:02 mtj so that basic issue is... is it worth the hassle of having seperate include dirs, or not?
01:02 dcook Unless we used includes as widgets..
01:02 dcook khall mentioned the possibility of widgets at one point as well, which could be interesting in terms of customizability, but they would increase our use of javascript
01:01 jcamins The separate include dir isn't *required*.
01:01 dcook Not that I overly want to get involved in the discussion, but I think jcamins has a point. It's worth mentioning that the directory re-structuring would allow for themes driven by CSS rather than CSS and content.
01:00 jcamins Right, that's because they require different contents.
01:00 mtj yep, ok… that small point taken
01:00 mtj wel, they have sperate include dirs
01:00 jcamins CCSR has different includes.
01:00 jcamins mtj: nope.
00:59 * dcook doesn't think that's quite the case atm
00:59 mtj jcamins, the thing i am curious about is.. afaik - both the PROG and CCSR themes can be maintained by their CSS alone
00:51 mtj i though i presented everything quite honestly
00:50 mtj there is no 'couching' from me
00:50 jcamins Fair enough.
00:49 mtj the main point of my redesign to to fix that mainatainance 'problem'
00:48 mtj ...but its also a mainatainance nightmare
00:48 mtj nope, our current themes allow us to do much more than css, and thats great!
00:47 jcamins At least, that's how I interpreted the e-mail.
00:47 jcamins But your e-mail makes it sound like our current themes can't do anything more than CSS at the moment either, which is why it troubled me.
00:46 jcamins It may well be an improvement, I don't dispute that.
00:45 mtj … so i offer my idea of a redesign as an 'improvement'
00:45 mtj i personally think that a theming design that was any more complex than custom css and images, would be too difficult to maintain
00:43 mtj sorry if you though i was not explicit enuff, about my idea
00:43 mtj ...in my email
00:43 mtj well, i did attempt too express all that
00:42 jcamins Then you should let people know. :)
00:42 mtj yep, thats pretty much what im suggesting :)
00:41 jcamins Just so that everyone understands what they're voting on.
00:41 jcamins A response saying "yes, I suggest that we eliminate the existing themes functionality that allows for differing templates between themes and replace it with CSS-only themes" would do it.
00:39 mtj ok, so tell me a better way to do it?
00:39 jcamins I just find it very problematic to describe it as if the proposed reorganization does not have significant functional repercussions.
00:38 mtj hmm, ok - i may have misread you...
00:38 jcamins I'm fine with eliminating it.
00:37 jcamins No.
00:37 mtj woah - so, you think its a step forward to maintain seperate module dirs, for each theme?
00:36 mtj ah, ok
00:36 jcamins We don't use them in CCSR because I spent several days integrating changes.
00:36 jcamins It works fine.
00:35 mtj ^^ thats lost already
00:35 jcamins And module templates.
00:35 mtj ok, there's what is lost, the includes dir
00:34 jcamins Other than the ability to customize anything other than CSS.
00:34 mtj its not eliminating it at all - it is improving it - nothing is lost
00:34 jcamins I think reorganizing generally makes sense, though.
00:34 jcamins Okay, just wanted to let you know how I interpreted the proposal.
00:33 mtj i think my proposed redesign is not 'entirely eliminating' at all
00:32 jcamins Because we could also simply remove all options for a "theme" and tell people to use a different opac.css and colors.css.
00:32 jcamins I can't say I care one way or the other, but I don't think it is right to couch the proposal in terms of "let's improve Koha's theming support" when the proposal is "let's eliminate Koha's theming support."
00:32 mtj well... what was 'heretofore been called a "theme" in Koha' was a pretty problematic design
00:30 mtj kidding!
00:30 mtj and thats a bad thing? :)
00:29 jcamins *we're all clear
00:29 jcamins mtj: just to make sure you're all clear, you're aware that your proposal boils down to entirely eliminating what has heretofore been called a "theme" in Koha, right?
00:17 eythian I wouldn't be so sure, they're not likely to just up and change it.
00:17 wizzyrea that's annoying.
00:17 wizzyrea apparently to 7000
00:17 wizzyrea well it's changed either way
00:16 eythian which is why I don't think either of those are correct, they're hitting a firewall or something
00:16 wizzyrea same with 7790
00:15 wizzyrea 7190 is refused anyway
00:15 mtj heh, they arent big on uptime :D
00:15 eythian Z39.50 needs a standard port allocation.
00:14 eythian 7790 now?
00:14 mtj ^^ http://lianzaitsig.pbworks.com/w/page/58013907/Z39%2050%20Connection%20Information
00:14 mtj Port: 7790
00:14 mtj Address: innz.natlib.govt.nz
00:14 mtj Index New Zealand (INNZ)
00:13 wizzyrea 7190 is innz
00:13 dcook Search interface is working. Just looking at the import function right now...
00:13 * dcook almost has a mostly working z39.50 authority search :)
00:13 mtj http://ilbot2.kohaaloha.com/koha/2013-04-30#i_1215202
00:12 dcook :/ *
00:12 dcook dinger :/\
00:12 wizzyrea seems safe.
00:12 * wizzyrea goes with "it's broken"
00:12 mtj 7190 was up last week, i'm sure - i tested if for dcook
00:11 eythian which implies that 7190 is not correct even when things are working.
00:11 eythian 7000 connects, 7090 will time out, 7190 gets connection refused.
00:10 mtj either/or… they are both down :p
00:10 mtj Port: 7190
00:10 mtj Address: nlnzcat.natlib.govt.nz
00:09 wizzyrea 7090 was the one I was trying
00:08 mtj port 7000 is up.. but not doing much :/
00:06 wizzyrea mtj++
00:06 cjh mtj++
00:06 wizzyrea thanks for checking
00:06 wizzyrea that's stinky, but great
00:04 mtj hm, down for me , too :/
00:01 wizzyrea ty :)