IRC log for #koha, 2013-04-12

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00:02 * dcook voted for argentina for Kohacon13 ;)
00:06 tcohen who knows, maybe 14
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00:21 tcohen good night #koha
00:22 bgkriegel tcohen?
00:22 wahanui tcohen is 120
00:22 bgkriegel :)
01:16 gmcharlt @quote random
01:16 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #106: "<jwagner> Bah, humbug" (added by druthb at 01:31 PM, November 29, 2010)
02:42 jcamins book_fairs++
02:47 jcamins Hey, does sekjal live somewhere near Worcester?
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03:33 bag jcamins closer to springfield
04:17 bag can anyone hear me?
04:18 bag just wondering if I have internet connection
04:18 bag I can't load a single site
04:18 cjh bag: I can read you loud and clear.
04:19 bag bummer :(
04:19 bag my internets are sucking right now
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04:53 dcook belated hello, cait :)
04:53 cait hey dcook :)
04:59 bag heya dcook and cait
04:59 cait hi bag :)
04:59 dcook hey bag!
05:00 bag man my internet is having problems
05:00 bag well my office internet
05:00 bag but this seems fine
05:01 bag I am sooo annoyed with this office
05:01 bag good thing I've got a meeting tomorrow morning for a new one
05:01 dcook new office! :D
05:02 bag yeah weird I can't even ssh to another server from here
05:03 bag but this port seems fine
05:04 dcook :S
05:05 bag man this is so annoying
05:06 bag alright going to go unplug anything I can get my hands on
05:22 dcook Ahhh
05:22 bag no luck
05:22 dcook The moment when you can't figure out why changing a property doesn't do anything...
05:22 bag man this place is fired! heh
05:22 dcook an object's property*
05:22 bag I feel like "the donald"
05:22 dcook Until you realize that you have to set the property before you load the xml..
05:22 dcook "the donald"?
05:23 bag right
05:24 dcook Ahhh...
05:24 dcook Google is my friend...
05:24 dcook I forget "the donald" exists most of the time
05:24 bag the sad thing is I'm been complaining about this internet for weeks now
05:24 bag Donald Trump aka "the donald"
05:24 bag :P
05:24 dcook Yeah, Google mentioned that ;)
05:24 cait brokeninternet makes me very grumpy too
05:25 bag well cait at least I have this port working well :)
05:25 cait :)
05:26 bag and I can hang out with dcook and cait
05:26 bag two of my favorites :)
05:26 bag and at least I can use port 22 :)
05:26 bag so sadly I can still work :P
05:26 cait heh
05:26 dcook D'awww
05:26 dcook You're one of my favourites too ^_^
05:26 dcook Yay work!
05:26 dcook Wait...
05:26 dcook Actually, I'm having a great time
05:26 dcook I love work
05:27 bag cait what time is it there?
05:27 cait 7:23 am
05:27 dcook Annoying idiocyncracies of PHP OOP aside...
05:27 bag @google what time is it in Germany
05:27 huginn bag: Current local time in Germany - World Time Server: <[…]t_time_in_DE.aspx>; Germany - World Time Clock & Map: <[…]/germany_time.php>; Current local time in Germany – Berlin – Berlin: <[…]ck/city.html?n=37>; Why Germany Hates Tom Cruise - TIME: (2 more messages)
05:27 cait neat
05:27 bag :D
05:28 bag OH NOES!!! those are all links and I can't click on links right now
05:28 cait lol
05:28 bag that sucks
05:28 cait you will have to take my word then, it's really 7:25 am now :)
05:29 dcook The Canadian will confirm it ;)
05:30 bag HA  --  Why Germany Hates Tom Cruise - TIME:
05:30 bag that's a funny result
05:30 bag @google tell me the time!
05:31 huginn bag: Current local time in London, United Kingdom: <>; Martha Davis - Don't Tell Me The Time (1987) Improved Audio! Hit ...: <>; Doctor, Doctor, Tell Me The Time Of Day | Gardener Is Gone: <[…]-the-time-of-day/>; Martha Davis - Don't Tell Me The Time Lyrics: (2 more messages)
05:31 bag yeah I believe cait
05:31 bag cait++
05:31 cait ;)
05:31 cait hm should I read in my distance study book or do qa before going to work?
05:33 bag half of one and most of the other :P
05:33 bag OR most of half and some of all
05:33 cait it's morning - I am totally confused now :)
05:34 bag I knew that you'd make up your mind better - than I could suggest :)
05:34 bag heh
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05:40 shalom did anyone know how to check the services/ script?
05:45 mtj shalom, hmm, check how?
05:45 mtj bag, your interwebs problem is a bit weird, yeah?
05:46 mtj irc works ok, but http is borked?!
05:46 bag yeah no kidding mtj
05:46 cait h
05:46 cait m
05:46 cait I had some bad proxy setting in my browse rlately that caused something similar
05:46 cait irc working, but not internet
05:46 bag I mean I've even flushed dns's and all that
05:46 bag by the way mtj you're awesome!
05:47 * mtj waves to shalom, cait , bags
05:47 cait hi mtj :)
05:47 mtj aww, thanks :p
05:47 shalom i don't know how to put it...
05:48 bag (I need to get that in everytime I talk to mtj)
05:48 bag yup anything on port 80 times out or loads after a long long time
05:48 bag pinging 50% dropped packets
05:48 shalom someone suggest to me if i can see the item form in acquisition, it could be the services/ script split
05:49 mtj bags, i guess you could attempt some tricky ssh tunneling to a VM of yours, on the net?
05:49 shalom :(
05:49 cait shalom: does it happen in all different browsers?
05:50 mtj bag, but, it sounds like your connection is just plain crappy
05:50 bag cait I've tried a few different browses and I don't have a proxy
05:50 shalom not all
05:50 cait shalom: what did you do to create your acq framework? did you change those fields a lot?
05:50 cait bag: that was for shalom :)
05:50 shalom no
05:50 cait the browsers
05:50 bag eh I'd rather just keep doing what I'm doing and then call it a night :)
05:50 cait sorry still bit confused
05:51 mtj bag, set up a squid proxy on a linode vm, and restict access to your ip
05:51 bag I want to leave this office building - so I think this is just another reason to do it :)
05:52 bag HAHAHAHAHA  sorry cait
05:53 bag I'll do that from my next office mtj :)
05:54 mtj bagz, you are moving offices soon, huh?
05:55 gmcharlt @quote random
05:55 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 05:56 AM, October 08, 2010)
05:56 bag I've got an interview at a new one tomorrow
05:56 cait fingers crossedthen :)
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05:56 bag heya gmcharlt
05:56 bag having fun at the conference ?
05:56 wahanui gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
05:57 gmcharlt bag: I am!
05:58 bag morning paul_p
05:58 paul_p hi bag. Just sending  mail, and going by car to a meeting (financial/bank/accounting training...)
05:59 paul_p bye & see you later #koha
05:59 bag great!  make sure you say hi to Amy terlaga and Ben next time you see them
05:59 bag Ames is awesome!
06:00 bag alright bye!
06:00 gmcharlt g'night
06:02 mtj ok, i gotta go too… cya #koha
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06:39 reiveune hello
06:41 bag hello
06:41 wahanui niihau, bag
06:48 * magnuse waves
06:48 bag heya magnuse
06:48 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
06:49 bag good morning to you
06:50 magnuse hiya bag
06:50 magnuse ooh, today is pizzaday!
06:51 bag yay!  yeah Sonja and I do make your own pizza friday nights
06:51 bag so that's coming up :)
06:51 magnuse yay!
06:52 * magnuse makes pizza every friday night too
06:52 magnuse bag: but for you it's still thursday?
06:53 bag you're soo cool magnuse++
06:54 magnuse huh?
06:54 bag I am glad we have more in common :)
06:54 magnuse yay!
06:54 bag except my ability to read normarc :(
06:54 bag give me 10 minutes and it's friday!
06:55 magnuse ah
06:55 magnuse hehe, normarc is mostly a subset of marc21 though
06:55 magnuse mostly...
06:57 bag but in a foreign language :P
06:57 bag HA
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06:58 bag alright I think it's time for me to head home…
06:58 bag night all
06:58 bag be well
06:58 wahanui goodnight bag. You'll be back.
06:58 magnuse have fun bag
06:58 bag be excellent to one another and party on doods!
06:59 magnuse we'll try!
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07:28 kf god morning #koha
07:30 * dcook waves to kf
07:30 dcook Time to head out for me though!
07:30 dcook Night all!
07:30 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:31 dcook hehe
07:31 dcook Yep ^_^
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07:37 drojf good morning #koha
07:38 magnuse moin drojf and kf
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08:47 kf moin magnuse
08:59 magnuse hiya kf
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11:40 khall hey all, I'm trying to use and I get an error most times I try to use it
11:41 khall does anyone currently here have much experience with koha-qa.p.?
11:41 kf i am using it
11:41 kf but not sure if that counts much :)
11:43 khall : )=
11:43 khall 07:36 ~/kohaclone ((a082490...) $)$ -v 2 -c 1
11:43 khall testing 1 commit(s) (applied to 1c27c3c 'Bug 8215 - Add Course Reserves - QA F')
11:43 khall a082490 Bug 8215: Followup Fix confirmation links for delete course and item
11:43 khall - koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modul​es/course_reserves/
11:43 khall sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
11:43 khall * koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/module​s/course_reserves/course-details.ttOK
11:43 khall forbidden patterns          OK
11:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add Course Reserves
11:43 khall tt_valid                    OK
11:43 khall valid_template              OK
11:43 khall sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
11:44 khall one current master I even get an error:
11:44 khall 07:40 ~/kohaclone ((596f7a7...) $)$ -v 2 -c 1
11:44 khall testing 1 commit(s) (applied to 88f2dd7 'Merge branch 'bug_9381' into 3.12-mas')
11:44 khall 596f7a7 Merge remote branch 'origin/new/bug_8770'
11:44 khall sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
11:44 khall sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
11:44 khall 07:40 ~/kohaclone (qa-current-commit $)$
11:44 khall note I always end up on the branch qa-current-commit, is that normal?
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12:03 kf hm no
12:03 kf I had it happen but it's not normal I think
12:03 kf and sorry, I got called away
12:05 kf khall: the only thing I do different is the sequence
12:05 kf -c 1 -v 2
12:06 kf hm and I am in my git repository and the file is in the qa-tools one, so I do something like /home/katrin/qa-test-tools/ -c 1 -v 2
12:06 kf and nothing of this is probably helfpul for you, khall
12:07 khall hm, I'll try that anyway
12:08 khall nope, same deal
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12:08 khall looks like Jonathan may know more, he wrote the last few patches on it
12:09 khall mornin tcohen!
12:09 tcohen hi khall
12:09 kf khall: did you get the perlcritic file
12:09 kf ?
12:09 kf where did you place it?
12:09 khall in my home dir
12:09 tcohen i couldn't get to use it
12:09 kf i think I had the name worng at first
12:09 khall lrwxrwxrwx  1 koha koha   37 Mar 25 14:18 perlcriticrc -> /home/koha/koha-qa-tools/perlcriticrc
12:09 kf I had it starting with .
12:09 kf and problems
12:10 kf did you copy it?
12:10 tcohen actually perlcritic alone didn't use it, i passed --profile path/gile
12:10 kf ah symlink?
12:11 tcohen i copied
12:11 kf[…]5ba1cb517a4cf8e1c
12:11 kf and environment variables are set?
12:11 tcohen yes
12:12 kf ok, I ran out of ideas
12:12 kf i can't check my setup where it's working right now :(
12:13 tcohen i ran perlcritic alone, with --profile to check my patch was OK
12:14 khall 08:06 ~$ echo $KOHA_CONF
12:14 khall /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
12:14 khall 08:10 ~$ echo $PERL5LIB
12:14 khall :/home/koha/kohaclone:/home/koha/kohaclone/C4/SIP:/home/koha/koha-qa-tools
12:14 wahanui hmmm... /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml is the one to use, then
12:15 tcohen $ echo $KOHA_CONF
12:15 tcohen ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
12:16 khall I should note I'm just running as the user 'koha'
12:16 tcohen $ echo $PERL5LIB
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12:21 kf khall: I do that too
12:21 kf so it should not be that I guess
12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
12:21 kf happy friday oleonard :)
12:22 khall mornin oleonard!
12:22 * oleonard is stuck with an overly-restrictive firewall again today, so no real IRC, no git :(
12:22 kf ouch!
12:22 kf can you find the it person and buy him/her pizza?
12:23 oleonard The IT person who configured this firewall is no longer with us. The person who manages it now doesn't know how to open the ports.
12:23 khall try a crowbar
12:23 khall it'll open most things ; )
12:26 kf oleonard: find someone else you can buy pizza to distract the it person while you try khall's suggestion? :)
12:26 kf it's friday... there is a need for pizza in any plan
12:26 oleonard If I knew khall's plan would work I would implement it without hesitation
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12:30 magnuse pizza!
12:42 kf oleonard: there is nothing wrong with the trial and error approach....
12:42 kf :)
12:42 kf ok, apart from having no internet at all
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13:05 druthb o/
13:20 magnuse \o
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14:08 zento hi!
14:09 zento i want to ask a qustion about community and liblime editions
14:10 oleonard We can answer questions about Koha, but we can't answer questions about Liblime products
14:12 zento i want to test two editions
14:12 zento first translations
14:12 zento liblime has old translaton packs. can i translate a .po file from english to german
14:12 jcamins zento: probably not, but you'd have to ask someone who uses the LibLime fork.
14:12 zento orliblime just can be used in english?
14:12 kf zento: are you from germany?
14:13 zento no
14:13 druthb The community has a whole bunch of active translators already working…the German translation for 3.12 is nigh-on complete.
14:13 tcohen zento: this is no place for asking about liblime's koha fork
14:13 zento yeah, i see that
14:13 oleonard zento: Does Liblime even develop their fork with internationalization in mind? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was no
14:13 jcamins Actually, a correction: I'm pretty sure there isn't any place for asking about LibLime's Koha fork.
14:13 kf they are still using HTP I think - the old templating system.
14:13 kf Koha supports translation better by now
14:14 zento i want to ask you about solr
14:14 kf than the versions bakc then could
14:14 kf so even then it would have advantages to use Koha over the liblime version
14:15 zento why dont you work on a same project, i did not understand!
14:15 jcamins zento: LibLime forked Koha and made it closed source several years ago.
14:16 jcamins They eventually changed their mind and released their source code, but not before the rest of the community had moved on.
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14:16 zento oh!
14:16 jcamins Well, some of their source code.
14:16 zento two different projects :(
14:16 jcamins Yup.
14:16 kf I think people often think liblime started Koha or something, but that's not the case
14:17 jcamins They still have at least one proprietary software package they call "Koha," I think.
14:17 zento jcamins i agree wity you ;)
14:17 kf they were a koha service provider like others, but decided to do things differently...
14:18 zento but liblime has good effords too
14:19 * jcamins will take your word for that.
14:19 zento 4.14 uses solr
14:19 zento i did not test it but...
14:19 jcamins Koha 3.10 also supports Solr.
14:20 jcamins I do not think it supports Solr well, but I don't know that it works any worse (or better) than the support in LibLime's fork.
14:20 * jcamins is not a fan of Solr in Koha, though.
14:20 jcamins If you ask me, it is a solution in search of a problem.
14:22 zento jcamins , do you have information retrieval background?
14:22 kf zento: even without Solr Koha uses a search engine - Zebra
14:22 kf it works quite well
14:22 kf and even better once the work jcamins is doing will be all done ;)
14:22 jcamins zento: I don't know what you mean by that, but I spend most of my time working on issues of search and indexing.
14:23 jcamins I don't have a degree in the subject, though, if that's what you mean.
14:23 * jcamins contemplates public Z39.50 wanly.
14:24 jcamins Have I commented before that we're doing this wrong?
14:24 zento jcamins , i have master degree about this topic. Ok, lets forget it
14:24 zento thank you all so much
14:25 jcamins If you're looking to contribute to Koha, the version supported by the community is almost certainly the way to go.
14:25 jcamins Well, if you ask me, the version supported by the community is almost certainly the way to go no matter what.
14:25 jcamins But you probably knew I'd think that. ;)
14:29 oleonard The only good reason to use Liblime's product is that someone is forcing you to do so. Presumably that someone is also paying the bill for it.
14:29 oleonard I can't imagine using a Liblime fork without paid support--there's no community to fall back on for support
14:31 oleonard Did our lack of masters degrees in information retrieval cause offense?
14:31 magnuse lol
14:32 druthb :P
14:32 oleonard Hey everyone, don't be surprised if we don't recommend Liblime! Sheesh.
14:33 jcamins lol
14:33 magnuse well, it must be confusing for someone who does not know the history...
14:33 jcamins I read that discussion the same way magnuse did. He was offended that I said negative things about Solr.
14:34 oleonard Solr seems to have a devoted following.
14:34 drojf we seem to have a high influx of people from turkey looking for solr in koha. or of the same person coming to ask with different names
14:35 oleonard I wonder if mbalmer still checks in with Koha to see if we have dropped support for MySQL yet?
14:35 jcamins Heh.
14:35 jcamins Probably.
14:35 drojf i have seen him appear on irc for a second not too long ago
14:36 jcamins Okay...
14:36 jcamins why is my Z39.50 server listening only on IPv6?
14:36 drojf @seen mbalmer
14:36 huginn drojf: mbalmer was last seen in #koha 28 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 21 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <mbalmer> I see it a bit different, obviously.
14:37 drojf that only works for people that talk
14:37 drojf or it was a dream :)
14:39 magnuse yeah, i think it remembers the last time you said something
14:39 drojf yeah. he has been here a few times in march and april, according to my incomplete logs
14:40 tcohen why is LangInstaller on the translator dir?
14:41 magnuse regarding liblime koha v.s. koha - i think someone had some really revealing stats showing the activity in each project a few months back?
14:43 magnuse good question...
14:44 tcohen i was about to write a koha-translate command for packages and thought of doing it using Perl ;)
14:44 magnuse yay
14:45 jcamins You've got to be kidding me.
14:45 tcohen but, don't know how to do it if it is not in the lib/ install
14:45 magnuse tcohen: have you seen the work eythian has done on i18n for the packages?
14:45 tcohen nope
14:45 magnuse it's a branch in the catalyst repo
14:45 jcamins Older versions of yaz can't listen on ipv4?
14:45 magnuse jcamins: i never had trouble with that i think?
14:46 tcohen magnuse: so i shouldn't be bothering to write it?
14:46 jcamins magnuse: I never had problems with it before either, but that's what the changelog says.
14:46 magnuse tcohen: might make sense to have a look at what he has done, and/or talk to him first
14:47 magnuse tcohen: let me try and find the branch for you
14:47 tcohen thanks magnuse
14:48 magnuse tcohen:[…]eads/wr83663-l10n
14:48 magnuse i meant to test it for a looong time, but never found the time
14:48 magnuse it probably needs some rebasing now
14:50 tcohen i think i'll ask him later on the status of that work
14:50 tcohen I thought of providing a simple way for the user to install/update their trnaslations
14:50 magnuse tcohen: that could be neat
14:51 * druthb perks up.
14:51 magnuse eythian has been working on packages for the translations, so you can install e.g. nb-NO
14:51 tcohen install, update, delete action switches
14:51 druthb That's one of my concerns about pulling the .PO out of the main repo…making sure it keeps things *EASY* for folks who are hacking…and also the installation problem.
14:51 magnuse yeah, i guess that could be interesting too, if you want to change your translation without waiting for official packages of it
14:53 jcamins druthb: but pulling the .PO files out of the main repo will make it easier.
14:53 jcamins By a lot.
14:53 jcamins With the .PO files in the main repo, 99.98% of the time, the translations are just plain wrong.
14:54 jcamins So I (and presumably everyone else) just end up downloading the files off of Pootle anyway.
14:55 druthb I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the sub-project trick in git, and how one goes about updating, etc.
14:57 magnuse druthb: submodule?
14:59 druthb yah.  I've tinkered with it on my box here, but I'm just not quite grokking it.  I *know* I need gmcharlt (or someone) to set up an "official" repo on
15:00 gmcharlt druthb: shoot me an email with the deets
15:01 druthb willdo!  :)
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15:08 kf he has this way of suddenly appearing
15:09 * kf hands gmcharlt a bag of cookies before he can disappear again
15:09 gmcharlt yum!
15:09 gmcharlt that will sustain me through the Evergreen Board Meeting!
15:10 rambutan just talk about the GE libraries use of koha
15:10 tcohen new authorities have been elected at UNC, time to ask my bosses about going to Reno
15:11 druthb :D
15:12 jcamins :)
15:15 kf rambutan: thx for the suggestion - but not sure that woudl be interesting?
15:16 kf hm
15:16 kf will think about it :)
15:16 rambutan well, it would be to me.
15:16 kf we are not a big koha community here yet
15:16 kf slowly growing, but not big
15:16 druthb rambutan:   I tried to sell her on that same idea, and she told me the same thing.  It *would* be interesting, but can't seem to convince *her* of that.
15:17 rambutan or talk about how cookie recipes might be indexed and what marc record the nuts should be listed in
15:17 kf lol
15:18 jcamins GE uses Koha?
15:19 rambutan druthb: yea, I think it's a matter of being too close to the subject to appreciate the interest factor for others (hopefully that's stated in a positive way)
15:19 rambutan and AT & T
15:19 rambutan and Emerson Electric
15:19 kf i thought he meant germany :)
15:19 jcamins Very cool!
15:19 kf what did he mean?
15:20 rambutan I meant GE = Germany, of course
15:20 kf :)
15:20 jcamins Oh.
15:20 kf ok leaving - bye all :)
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15:20 jcamins Isn't ge *East* Germany?
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15:23 rambutan I simply used the initial two letters. I think East Germany has left for the day.
15:24 jcamins Heh.
15:24 jcamins You have a point.
15:24 rambutan you know, y'all, to kinda pick up on a recent conversation, some support company needs to actively solicit US government work for ILS support. There's both need and $$ there, despite the hassle and red tape.
15:25 rambutan Every three letter organization has a big library, and most of them need lots of help
15:25 reiveune bye
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15:58 tcohen is it possible to set "empty" for a string translation?
15:59 tcohen Something -> empty
15:59 tcohen (the default behaviour is that it means "untranslated" I think)
16:03 tcohen druthb?
16:03 wahanui druthb is our translation manager for 3.12
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16:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
16:10 mtompset I have a question about permissions to edit in Koha.
16:11 mtompset Let's say I have 3 branches, and want one person to be able to edit 2 of them. Is there a way to do that currently?
16:12 jcamins No.
16:12 mtompset So, two different user ids for one person to be able to do that?
16:14 jcamins Yes.
16:14 jcamins Or, you know, train your librarians better and don't use independant branches.
16:15 mtompset branches is kind of necessary given their geography compared to other libraries in the group.
16:16 jcamins Branches make sense.
16:16 mtompset Would this feature be something people would be interested in?
16:16 jcamins But the only way to limit someone by branch is to turn on independant branches.
16:17 jcamins @query multiple branches
16:17 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9190 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problem with holds - allow place a hold without all items checked out
16:17 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2237 enhancement, P4, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Auto-populate 'userid' and 'password' fields with other field values, when adding user
16:17 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8042 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Batch numbers aren't committed as used until an item is added
16:17 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6559 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , super librarians can only assign holding to current location
16:17 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
16:17 jcamins Bug 9055 might do what you want.
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
16:24 mtompset Not quite. This seems to be on the searching side of things.
16:24 mtompset I'm thinking more of the catalog-ing, data entry, staff client side of things.
16:24 oleonard Lots of people would be happy with an overhaul to Koha permissions, adding permissions groups and stuff like that
16:24 jcamins I still think you should just train your librarians.
16:24 mtompset Can't full do that if they are in partner organizations.
16:25 jcamins Rewriting permissions would be a great idea, but would require a massive amount of work in order to write code that could get into Koha.
16:26 oleonard Agreed.
16:26 mtompset I've come back to the SAML 2.0 implementation issue, and it would seem we need to be able to authenticate against multiple methods... like the default MySQL and a SAML 2.0 server.
16:26 mtompset This permissions thing was given on my ponder a solution list too.
16:40 oleonard khall: Did you test Bug 9903 on top of the patch for Bug 9887?
16:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9903 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Sort by date broken on patron detail page
16:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page
16:41 khall nope, I didn't notice the depends on. thanks! I'll retest
16:41 * oleonard crosses his fingers
16:41 oleonard It would be cool if git-bz seamlessly handled bug dependencies
16:42 khall yeah, that would be quite nice, wouldn't it?
16:42 khall patch looks good. Any idea what the empty column on the far right of the holds table is for?
16:43 oleonard Looks like it shows whether a hold is suspended
16:44 oleonard It doesn't look like that column has a heading in master
16:44 oleonard ...but it certainly could
16:44 khall indeed, that would be a good idea.
16:44 khall and makes it my fault ; )=
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16:55 * druthb blames khall
16:55 khall : )=
16:57 druthb :P
16:57 * druthb comforts khall with cookies
16:57 khall lol, thanks!
16:59 tcohen druthb: is there a way to translate "Use" into "" ?
16:59 tcohen (solving a wording issue here)
17:01 druthb hm….I don't know.  Might translate it to " ", if pootle doesn't accept ""
17:01 druthb (if I'm understanding the problem.
17:02 tcohen Use "no"|"xxx"|"kkk" field to store something
17:02 tcohen the "Use no" combination is hard to make fit into spanish
17:02 druthb hm.
17:19 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza
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18:16 mtompset Hmmm...
18:16 mtompset koha is really aimed at authenticating against one source, isn't it?
18:21 jcamins mtompset: authenticating against more than one service isn't something that most people find a need for.
18:23 mtompset true. Though, there are cases where it makes sense.
18:24 mtompset For example, we have libraries across Asia entered as branches.
18:24 mtompset We want any member of our organization to be able to sign into OPAC.
18:24 mtompset That's one data source.
18:24 mtompset (SAML 2.0 would mean I wouldn't have to transplant all the users in)
18:25 mtompset But, we also want partner organizations to be able to sign in too.
18:25 mtompset That's the other data source.
18:25 mtompset (use the default Koha MySQL for them)
18:25 jcamins You are welcome to try and make that possible, but my gut reaction is that the issue here is not so much lacking functionality as that you are trying to do something that Koha was not designed to do.
18:26 jcamins If there is no sort of central authentication, how on earth can you rely on credentials?
18:26 jcamins The way other libraries deal with this is they have their LDAP for local users, and create Koha users for outside users.
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18:28 mtompset So LDAP authentication works at the same time as authentication against the Koha user's database?
18:29 jcamins Yes. If you can't authenticate against an existing Koha user, you check LDAP.
18:30 mtompset Hmmm.... that sounds like what I want, except SAML 2.0 first, then Koha user.
18:34 tcohen can anyone try installing the es-ES translation and confirm the string for "Password" (at login) is broken if UTF8 selected for view?
18:35 tcohen (Password > Contraseña)
18:35 mtompset refresh my memory how to install it?
18:36 mtompset[…]NET_staff_client?
18:37 Dyrcona @quote add <dbs> MARC is not machine readable.
18:37 huginn Dyrcona: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
18:37 Dyrcona oops.
18:37 Dyrcona wrong channel. :)
18:37 jcamins Dyrcona: it's true here too.
18:37 Dyrcona Heh.
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18:40 mtompset paste?
18:40 wahanui it has been said that paste is found at
18:40 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "What I saw from 'perl translate install es-ES'" (15 lines) at
18:41 mtompset warnings? errors? should I be concerned?
18:43 oleonard I get that every time too mtompset, but I don't think it affects the outcome
18:44 mtompset which version, tcohen?
18:45 tcohen master
18:45 tcohen i'm not sure is the .po, the translation scripts...
18:45 tcohen cannot find the problem, but chenging the encoding to iso-8859-1 fixes it...
18:46 mtompset Because my log in screen for Koha is just fine for -- has that spanish n.
18:46 tcohen i'm on current squeeze-dev packages
18:47 tcohen no, sorry
18:47 tcohen master
18:47 tcohen
18:48 tcohen ouch, I mean, squeeze-dev packages
18:48 tcohen working on fridays should be forbidden for me
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19:28 mtompset Sorry for the lag. Upgrading to the latest dev on QA.
19:32 chris_n @seen mbalmer
19:32 huginn chris_n: mbalmer was last seen in #koha 28 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 17 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mbalmer> I see it a bit different, obviously.
19:33 mtompset Clearly if you don't speak, that number doesn't get refreshed.
19:33 mtompset Because I thought I saw him a couple weeks ago.
19:35 mtompset Ah ha! There I have confirmed it is broken, tcohen.
19:36 mtompset If I change to Western, it is valid. :(
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19:55 oleonard Busy day for jwagner, lots of Liblime-bashing to report.
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20:12 mtompset Okay... this is weird... I can't stay logged in using IE?!
20:13 jcamins mtompset: to the staff client?
20:14 mtompset Yes, the staff client... oh... perhaps my cookie settings are too protective.
20:15 mtompset Bingo! Because the site is lacking a compact privacy policy? or something like that.
20:15 jcamins That's a pity.
20:15 jcamins But as the Koha staff client explicitly is not IE-compatible, hardly surprising.
20:16 mtompset what is a compact privacy policy?
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