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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:02 |
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mtompset |
zebra? |
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wahanui |
zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
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mtompset |
It's been a while. Can anyone refresh my memory on getting zebra to run under a development set up? |
| 01:27 |
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jcamins |
install.debian? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... install.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian |
| 01:27 |
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jcamins |
^^ |
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mtompset |
Oh... the problem isn't indexing. The problem is how search has changed slightly. |
| 01:30 |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... let me try a full title. |
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mtompset |
Okay here's the scenario. |
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mtompset |
We have "Nan komedselan si takho, maikadwa ay grado." |
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mtompset |
That's a full title. |
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mtompset |
Search doesn't find it. |
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mtompset |
"komedselan" doesn't find it. |
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mtompset |
"komedselan*" finds it. |
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mtompset |
Any system preferences to check so that "komedselan" would actually find something? |
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mtompset |
Nevermind... I think I found it. QueryAutoTruncate. |
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mtj |
hmm, i'm not so good on the searching sysprefs :/ |
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mtompset |
Yep, that was it. |
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mtj |
aah, cool :) |
| 01:40 |
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mtompset |
Oh goodie, the bug that we hit with page numbers is fixed. :) |
| 01:41 |
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mtompset |
home -> cataloguing -> search: {something valid with multiple pages} -> page 2. |
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eythian |
wahanui: what is the saddest thing |
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wahanui |
i heard the saddest thing was http://cooleycooley.blogspot.c[…]iest-unicorn.html |
| 01:45 |
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eythian |
wahanui: what is the saddest thing is also http://www.twisteddoodles.com/[…]65795/free-kitten |
| 01:45 |
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wahanui |
bugger all, i dunno, eythian |
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eythian |
wahanui: \what is the saddest thing is also http://www.twisteddoodles.com/[…]65795/free-kitten |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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eythian |
wahanui: apparently so is just after fa |
| 02:08 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 02:46 |
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mtompset |
so? |
| 02:46 |
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wahanui |
so is probably a long road. |
| 02:46 |
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mtompset |
fa? |
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wizzyrea |
do |
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mtompset |
re? |
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mtompset |
me? |
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wahanui |
you are disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
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* mtompset |
smirks. |
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mtompset |
la? |
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mtompset |
ti? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... ti is trying to search the machine but it returns an error |
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mtompset |
do? |
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wahanui |
do is just a loop with the condition at the end |
| 03:05 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, wizzyrea. :) |
| 03:06 |
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wizzyrea |
hi :) |
| 03:10 |
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dcook |
http://www.web2learning.net/20[…]-ils-integration/ |
| 03:10 |
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dcook |
Has anyone heard more about progress being made on MarcEdit integrating with the Koha API? |
| 03:10 |
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dcook |
I remember looking it up a bit a couple months ago, but I had forgotten until now... |
| 03:11 |
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eythian |
never used marcedit, doesn't support free software platforms. |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
O_o |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
How do you mean? |
| 03:11 |
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eythian |
Doesn't work on Linux. Also, no source code. |
| 03:11 |
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dcook |
Mmmm |
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jcamins |
dcook: it is 100% proprietary, based on .NET. |
| 03:12 |
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dcook |
Tricksy |
| 03:12 |
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dcook |
What do you folks use instead? |
| 03:12 |
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jcamins |
Perl scripts. |
| 03:12 |
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dcook |
Mmm :/ |
| 03:13 |
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dcook |
A librarian I know wants to do some batch bib changes and MarcEdit seems like the easiest way of making that happen on the user end |
| 03:13 |
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eythian |
I have a fair library of perl scripts for manipulating marc in nicely reproducable ways |
| 03:13 |
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jcamins |
dcook: probably. |
| 03:14 |
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dcook |
Mind you, the Perl scripts would probably be a bit nicer |
| 03:14 |
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dcook |
From a data management point of view |
| 03:14 |
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dcook |
Doing a little mod rather than a whole export/import |
| 03:14 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 03:15 |
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eythian |
I've been wanting to write a generic Koha-aware MARC modifying script |
| 03:15 |
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eythian |
though as soon as you say "generic", it explodes into "needs to be able to do everything" |
| 03:15 |
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dcook |
True enough |
| 03:15 |
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dcook |
I suppose it's a tough one :/ |
| 03:15 |
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dcook |
Because one way or another, you need to be loading the information.. |
| 03:16 |
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dcook |
Though, what do you mean by "Koha-aware"? |
| 03:16 |
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dcook |
So you could just plugin directly to Koha and then go nuts? |
| 03:16 |
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dcook |
plug in* |
| 03:17 |
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eythian |
well, just that it ensures that everything is correctly synced |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
Side note: Did Galen completely write the Perl MARC modules? |
| 03:17 |
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eythian |
which just means using Koha's APIs to do stuff. |
| 03:17 |
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eythian |
I'm not sure |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
Mmm, yeah, I've been thinking about doing more with the Koha APIs |
| 03:17 |
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eythian |
https://gitorious.org/+catalys[…]lbox/trees/master <-- there's stuff in here for doing this kind of manipulation. |
| 03:17 |
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dcook |
In the past, we were calling all the separate scripts on the backend, but the API just seems so much cleaner |
| 03:17 |
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eythian |
though it's generally more oriented towards working on marc files. |
| 03:18 |
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jcamins |
I think the original code was written by Ed Summers. |
| 03:18 |
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mtompset |
http://people.oregonstate.edu/[…]ml/downloads.html -- There is a Linux link. I'm assuming it uses the Mono project. |
| 03:18 |
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dcook |
=item * Andy Lester |
| 03:18 |
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dcook |
=item * Mike O'Regan |
| 03:18 |
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dcook |
=item * Ed Summers |
| 03:18 |
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dcook |
=item * Mike Rylander |
| 03:18 |
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dcook |
=item * Galen Charlton |
| 03:18 |
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dcook |
Intriguing |
| 03:19 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: it does, yes, but it hasn't worked well any time I've tried it. |
| 03:19 |
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eythian |
Last I heard people were trying to make it work in wine. |
| 03:19 |
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eythian |
with very limited success |
| 03:20 |
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jcamins |
Basically, it's exactly what you would expect from something written in .NET. If you're using Windows, it's not a problem, otherwise it is. |
| 03:20 |
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dcook |
:/ |
| 03:20 |
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dcook |
Or rather |
| 03:20 |
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dcook |
:( |
| 03:21 |
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* jcamins |
goes to bed. |
| 03:21 |
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dcook |
night jcamins |
| 03:21 |
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eythian |
cya |
| 03:22 |
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eythian |
if I had time, it'd be interesting to see about making a GUI onto the perl libraries |
| 03:22 |
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mtompset |
Good night, jcamins. |
| 03:22 |
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eythian |
but, I think I'm generally faster with scripts. |
| 03:23 |
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mtompset |
When you say GUI you mean Gnome/KDE/Unity/whatever desktop manager windowing system GUI? |
| 03:23 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 03:23 |
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wizzyrea |
I tried to run MARCedit in Wine. |
| 03:23 |
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dcook |
Mmm |
| 03:23 |
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wizzyrea |
It was 1. unpleasant |
| 03:23 |
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wizzyrea |
2. it is the devils software. |
| 03:24 |
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dcook |
eythian: Scripts are probably faster, but I like to be careful ;) |
| 03:24 |
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* dcook |
was looking at what toolkits Gnome and KDE use... |
| 03:24 |
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eythian |
scripts are more careful, too |
| 03:25 |
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eythian |
because you have all the transformations laid out in front of you all the time |
| 03:25 |
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dcook |
KDE is Qt.. |
| 03:25 |
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mtompset |
why not a CGI front end, so you can make it browser-based, and desktop manager independent? ;) |
| 03:25 |
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eythian |
Gnome is GTK+ |
| 03:25 |
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dcook |
Gnome is GTK+ |
| 03:25 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, dcook. |
| 03:25 |
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dcook |
yeah |
| 03:25 |
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mtompset |
KDE |
| 03:25 |
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mtompset |
KDE? |
| 03:25 |
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wahanui |
i guess KDE is Qt.. |
| 03:25 |
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eythian |
mtompset: because that's a lot harder for someone to set up and use :) |
| 03:26 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but assuming they have Koha working on the server, they already have apache2 running. |
| 03:26 |
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dcook |
eythian: All the transformations laid out in front of you? |
| 03:26 |
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dcook |
In terms of what's printing on the screen? |
| 03:26 |
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eythian |
dcook: no, in terms of the MARC being produced |
| 03:27 |
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eythian |
https://gitorious.org/+catalys[…]ia/dia_liberty.sh <-- for example, a migration I'm working on at the moment, this is the whole transformation from CSV to MARC |
| 03:28 |
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mtompset |
Well, I think I will follow jcamins' lead and head to bed too. |
| 03:28 |
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eythian |
later |
| 03:28 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period) everyone. :) |
| 03:28 |
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dcook |
I'm not sure that I follow the file, but I see what you're saying now |
| 03:29 |
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eythian |
I'm not going to teach you how to use it over IRC, but you can read the docs in csvtomarc.pl if you like :) |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
Mmm! |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
I've read the docs a bit |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
Ohhh |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
I think I see now |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
It's been a little while since I used csvtomarc.pl |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
Thanks for the link and suggestion, eythian :) |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
eythian++ |
| 03:32 |
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eythian |
no problem |
| 03:33 |
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dcook |
I really see what you're saying about the transformations now. That's really cool :) |
| 03:37 |
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dcook |
Yeah, the only downside is that this all has to be done by systems folks |
| 03:37 |
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dcook |
I guess that's a blessing and a curse |
| 03:37 |
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dcook |
Mind you, I suppose a savvy tech services librarian could export their data, manipulate it on their own VM, and then reimport... |
| 03:41 |
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eythian |
yeah, in this case, we do it. |
| 03:41 |
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eythian |
it's hard to express complex transformations in a GUI |
| 03:49 |
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dcook |
I imagine. |
| 03:49 |
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* dcook |
says looking at some of the functions in the migration script |
| 04:02 |
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* dcook |
is curious about how eythian handles transformations of existing marc rather than csvtomarc, but lunch time! |
| 04:02 |
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eythian |
dcook: it's something I don't have to do very often |
| 04:03 |
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eythian |
there is a script in that repo to do something like that though |
| 04:03 |
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dcook |
Oh yeah? |
| 04:04 |
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dcook |
It's something I haven't really had to deal with much either, but from time to time |
| 04:04 |
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dcook |
I suppose the rarity makes the whole GUI idea less a priority anyway |
| 04:04 |
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eythian |
under migration/Generic/biblio_masher.pl |
| 04:04 |
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dcook |
I wondered when I saw "masher" ;) |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
We have some scripts that we already use, but wondered if there was more of an integrated way of doing things. |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
Anyway, thanks again eythian. Thanks heaps! |
| 04:06 |
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* dcook |
wanders off to mash up some food |
| 04:08 |
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* wizzyrea |
imagines you wielding a potato masher. |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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* dcook |
waves to cait |
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* cait |
waves back |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_72qggx, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
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i need some help generating labels in koha can sb help me? |
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hello |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
hola, alex_a |
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hi #koha |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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hi kf |
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kf |
hi marcelr :) |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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kf |
morning :) |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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reading the buffer can be an educational experience |
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learns about wanganella weather |
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drojf |
good day #koha |
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* kf |
waves |
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drojf |
hi kf |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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kf |
hi oleonard :) |
| 12:44 |
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oleonard |
MS Dynamics Nav ERP?! |
| 12:53 |
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kf |
Probably something like SAP? |
| 12:54 |
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drojf |
Microsoft Dynamics NAV is an enterprise resource planning (ERP) software product from Microsoft. |
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kf |
probably financial transactions |
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drojf |
not sure how koha is supposed to "integrate" with that. acquisitions maybe? |
| 12:55 |
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jcamins |
Storage? |
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* jcamins |
passes through #koha, offers a perplexed suggestion. |
| 12:56 |
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jcamins |
Data goes into MS Dynamics Nav, gets pointed at by Koha? |
| 12:57 |
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drojf |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/w[…]2013WebClient.jpg not sure how to put that into MARC ;) |
| 12:58 |
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oleonard |
Since the "consolidate opac themes" thread has turned into "the future of OPAC templates" I guess we assume that everyone agrees that we should consolidate OPAC themes? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: sounds good to me. |
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jcamins |
As long as we don't lose the responsive aspects of CCSR, I don't think I even care which theme is chosen. |
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jcamins |
The reason I worked on CCSR is that I needed a responsive OPAC theme, and that was my best chance of getting one. |
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* jcamins |
shakes his fist at the federal government. |
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jcamins |
Curse you, IRS, and April 15, too! |
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* druthb |
shakes her fist at the Kansas state government. |
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druthb |
Curse you, Department of Revenue, and April 15, too! |
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jcamins |
druthb: I'd be shaking my fist at the NYS government, except the amount they're taxing me is so low in comparison I don't really care. |
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druthb |
I'm not shaking my fist *hard* at the KS DoR, either—It's more a nuisance than anything else. |
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* jcamins |
shouts "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" |
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* druthb |
thinks that jcamins shaking his fist still isn't all that threatening. "Slim, dapper man shakes fist" just isn't as…erm…overwhelming, as, say, Lord Vader's force-choke. |
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jcamins |
lol |
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jcamins |
I shouted "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" really loudly. :P |
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druthb |
uhrm…jcamins…. I love you to pieces, you know that. But I'm still bigger'n you are. |
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druthb |
:P |
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* jcamins |
scurries to get ready and get out of the house. |
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AndroUser |
Morning |
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oleonard |
Perhaps if someone has a moment they could try to reproduce Bug 10025 and Bug 10024? They both work for me. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10025 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , star ratings aren't saving |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10024 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , stars are radio buttons in both themes |
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tcohen |
@wunder Cordoba, argentina |
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huginn |
tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (10:00 AM ART on April 11, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
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druthb |
@wunder 77098 |
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huginn |
druthb: The current temperature in Royal Brook, Houston, Texas is 5.5°C (8:48 AM CDT on April 11, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
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tcohen |
druthb do u think we could integrate the manuals to the main pootle? |
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kf |
oleonard: before I forget - I think the ccsr has translation issues |
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kf |
oleonard: I was told there were strings in the css files for the mobile view - didn't have time to really test is so far, but maybe something you could keep in mind in the discussion? |
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oleonard |
Is 9418 the correct port to unblock if I want to be able to get work done today? |
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oleonard |
kf: Whatever we do with the OPAC there will be major overhauls to everything, so I'm not worried about CCSR's issues right now |
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druthb |
tcohen: I've been thinking about that issue; I also want to separate the .po from the main Koha repo, and that probably needs to happen first. I know *how* to push it out as a subproject, but I want to not create headaches for people who are actually using it. |
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tcohen |
druthb, you mean using the current manual translation site? |
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druthb |
tcohen: First, I want to take the .po files out of the main Koha git repo, which will shrink the repo rather dramatically, and ship those as a subproject. *then*, I want to move the manual pages into Pootle, and deal with having the translated manuals in the "translations" repo. |
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druthb |
All that, without making anything any harder on anyone. |
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tcohen |
Ok, I need to change my Android irc client |
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druthb |
What are you using? |
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tcohen |
Androirc |
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druthb |
hm. I've had good luck with that one. |
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mmm45 |
hello |
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wahanui |
privet, mmm45 |
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mmm45 |
how can one Switch TimeFormat to the 12 hour format |
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mmm45 |
for patch 9014 |
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mmm45 |
apparently time needs to be in the 12 hour format |
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kf |
oleonard: we would probably need to find a way to deprecate the old one first, if we replaced a lot of the structure? so libraries have some time to adjust to the new templates? |
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kf |
mmm45: it will be possible to do that in 3.12 |
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kf |
switch the dateformat |
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kf |
there is a system preference called TimeFormat for that |
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kf |
bug 9014 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add time due to slips |
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kf |
ah right, yes, that will be in the 3.12 release. |
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kf |
and now I leave :) bye #koha |
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reiveune |
bye |
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rambutan |
As a degreed linguist, I must say that transliteration sucks. For the native speakers/readers of the language, it's typically undecipherable, and requires much the same effort of learning a second language. |
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rambutan |
Additionally, there are many "standard" ways of doing translation, and LoC may do it differently than the native speakers of the language would prefer. |
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rambutan |
PE, FE KDU GEUK LEL! |
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rambutan |
which, of course, a Korean person would look at and say: "What the heck is that" (translated here from the Korean thought to English, of course) |
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rambutan |
where is everybody? was there a netsplit? |
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chris_n |
heya rambutan |
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rambutan |
chris_n! |
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wahanui |
release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 |
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chris_n |
heh, very late at that |
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rambutan |
strange, your nick isn't showing on my participants list. I need a new chat client. |
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* chris_n |
hands rambutan x-chat |
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rambutan |
yea, but I moved off xchat because it doesn't save server/channel connections and it disconnects badly |
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chris_n |
I use bip as a backend for my xchat client |
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chris_n |
seems to improve it a bit |
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rambutan |
I loaded a machine with Mint 14 couple of days ago and saw some new clients in the repos, I'll probably check out some of those. |
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rambutan |
and for amusement only, I recommend the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKATS |
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rambutan |
well, this is really cool: |
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rambutan |
http://search.cpan.org/~you/En[…]e/Korean/SKATS.pm |
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mmm45 |
hello |
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mmm45 |
can someone tell me if BiblioDefaultDisplay exist in version 3.10.4 |
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mmm45 |
i am looking at the documentation for bug 9534 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen |
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mmm45 |
i cannot find the location of BiblioDefaultDisplay. It is only something for 3.12? |
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mmm45 |
to be introduced? |
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chris_n |
python stinks for flexibility |
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chris_n |
no pun intended |
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chris_n |
mmm45: for 3.12 |
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oleonard |
This place is like a tomb today. |
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* druthb |
waves at oleonard |
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* oleonard |
isn't really here |
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* druthb |
isn't, either. |
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* gmcharlt |
waves from Vancouver |
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* druthb |
waves at gmcharlt, eh? |
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wizzyrea |
mmm45 that is set in systempreferences |
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wizzyrea |
and it is definitely in 3.10 |
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gmcharlt |
druthb: heh -- I'm not sure I *need* to incorporate yet *another* accent into my own ;) |
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druthb |
gmcharlt: of course you do. Then move to Texas and tack on a y'all or ten, |
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druthb |
I thought about, for April Fool's this year, doing an en_TX translation of Koha. |
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gmcharlt |
druthb++ |
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gmcharlt |
(and I already caught the y'all bug in Georgia) |
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* gmcharlt |
has even been known to utter "all y'all" |
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druthb |
"An error occurred while trying to process your request." becomes "Uh-oh! Y'all in trouble now! Sumpin ain't right hyar." |
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druthb |
did you use all-y'all correctly? |
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* druthb |
makes squinty eyes at gmcharlt. |
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gmcharlt |
druthb: I did! :) |
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druthb |
Aight. |
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* gmcharlt |
heads out to lunch |
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oleonard |
That would have been quite a time-consuming April Fools joke druthb |
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druthb |
Indeed, oleonard, and my plate is pretty full already, which is why it didn't happen. |
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chris_n |
wizzyera: my 3.10.2 syspref search could not find it |
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* chris_n |
is not sure about .4 |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea even |
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chris_n |
fwiw: http://tinyurl.com/bvz9qgw |
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oleonard |
BiblioDefaultView chris_n? |
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* chris_n |
just found that one |
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chris_n |
looks like its mistyped in the bug |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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chris_n |
and the misspelling is immortalized in master now :-) |
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oleonard |
What bug is this? |
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chris_n |
bug 9534 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen |
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jcamins |
Wow. It sure is quiet in here. |
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rangi |
string freeze in 10 days jcamins ? |
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jcamins |
That doesn't seem right. |
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jcamins |
Is it already the 20th? |
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jcamins |
No. |
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jcamins |
It's not. |
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jcamins |
May 1. |
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oleonard |
Hi rangi |
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mtompset |
Spelling is a problem with international versions of English. Is there a particular standard preferred in the default EN installation? |
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jcamins |
US. |
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oleonard |
Yeah, because we're pushy that way |
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rangi |
ahh right |
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* mtompset |
chuckles, "Yes, yes you guys are. :P" |
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rangi |
yeah it was NZ english but I was overruled |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
but i just translate it all anyway |
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mtompset |
Out of curiosity, what is the "correct" way to spell catalogue with an -ing on the end? |
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oleonard |
cataloggging |
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rangi |
cataloguing (but in americanese cataloging) |
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jcamins |
Actually, "cataloguing" is acceptable in US English too. |
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jcamins |
But "catalogue" is not. |
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jcamins |
Go figure. |
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druthb |
"detail-freakin'", in en_TX |
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jcamins |
lol |
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* druthb |
watches the detail-freak^W^Wcataloger laugh |
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mtompset |
Oops... I should have said catalog[ue]. ;) |
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mtompset |
Anyone remember the Apple ][? CATALOG was the equivalent of ls. :) |
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oleonard |
We've made much progress since then, excluding the Windows command line. |
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druthb |
…and excluding Windows Me. |
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oleonard |
I think you mean Windows[odd] |
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druthb |
lol |
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oleonard |
Sorry, that should have been Windows[even]? |
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druthb |
Even, I think. Win 7 wasn't too awful. |
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jcamins |
Windows 2000 was better than '95, though. |
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jcamins |
And '98 |
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tcohen |
i had a fine tuned windowsMe box for a while which worked flawlessly |
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rangi |
i skipped that whole windows fad, didnt miss a thing :) |
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druthb |
I had a decent one, too, that served me well for about three years. |
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jcamins |
tcohen: so you stuck a Windows Me sticker on a computer running Linux? |
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tcohen |
upgraded to Mandrake 6.1 |
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jcamins |
Good call. |
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tcohen |
heh |
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tcohen |
Mandrake > Debian > Gentoo > Debian > Ubuntu |
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rangi |
Debian > Debian > Gentoo thought wtf is this > Debian > Ubuntu > Debian |
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rangi |
with zx spectrum, and solaris, before that |
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rangi |
oh i had a mac for that year that is best forgotten |
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rangi |
but that was just a really really expensive host for a debian vm |
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rangi |
the best part of that year was going to oleonard's house |
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oleonard |
:) |
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rangi |
and helping nengard move house |
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* tcohen |
still misses Gentoo, just a little |
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rangi |
you can simulate it |
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tcohen |
you mean, keep compiling stuff ? |
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rangi |
jsut install everything with apt-src :) |
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tcohen |
:-D |
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tcohen |
u have a point |
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* jcamins |
is not certain that would work. |
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jcamins |
Isn't one of Gentoo's key features the way everything breaks if you don't recompile every single package whenever you want to update anything? |
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maximep |
so not true =) |
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jcamins |
maximep: sorry, that's Arch, isn't it? |
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jcamins |
:P |
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maximep |
well |
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maximep |
it's a good idea to run revdep-rebuild to check if something is broken :p |
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jcamins |
Actually, I thought Arch was "everything breaks every time you upgrade anything no matter what." |
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maximep |
after each update :p |
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maximep |
Arch is more, break everything by using alpha versions of everything |
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maximep |
couldn't use any other distro. Love my gentoo :D |
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* jcamins |
ponders eliminating modals. |
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jcamins |
If I eliminate modals, Javascript will be that much less necessary. |
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mtompset |
modals? |
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cait |
hi #kohs |
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cait |
#koha |
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tcohen_ |
hi cait |
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bgkriegel |
hi cait |
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cait |
:) |
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tcohen_ |
is it May 22 already? |
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bgkriegel |
release? |
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wahanui |
well, release is the 22nd nz time every month |
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tcohen_ |
exactly |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait tcohen_ bgkriegel jcamins etc. :) |
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bgkriegel |
hi mtompset |
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cait |
tcohen: we still have some time to fix them all ... the bugs :) |
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tcohen_ |
hmm, my phone took my nickname over |
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cait |
bad phone |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
or good phone? |
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cait |
maybe too late |
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tcohen_ |
cait: is there an official list of standing bugs? |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
not a "this must be fixed" one |
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cait |
or official like that |
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cait |
but there is of course bugzilla and you can sort by severity |
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tcohen_ |
is "FIXME NOW" a good source ? |
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cait |
is that a saved list? |
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cait |
let me check |
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tcohen_ |
its blocker+critical |
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cait |
yep a good one |
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cait |
there are probabyl some major ones too |
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tcohen_ |
hmm, pistachios |
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cait |
hmm, chocolate :) |
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cait |
bug 8277 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8277 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , item form not always showing when ordering |
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cait |
bug 8368 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8368 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , List email broken for non english templates |
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tcohen_ |
the latter ins't a translation scripts problem, right? |
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cait |
not really |
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cait |
we need to replace it with a proper template |
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cait |
it has been done for the cart already |
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cait |
but not for the list |
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cait |
the translation scripts are not made to translate plain text, but html |
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tcohen_ |
i'll take a look |
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cait |
bug 8062 is the one with a possible fix |
| 22:10 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8062 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Cart email broken for non english templates |
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cait |
tcohen_: that would be cool :) |
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cait |
hm bug 9185 and bug 8684 |
| 22:12 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9185 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate barcode check broken on order receive |
| 22:12 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8684 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken |
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cait |
and both filed by me... oi. |
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Brooke |
o/ |
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cait |
hi Brooke |
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Brooke |
howdy :) |
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* Brooke |
is slightly regretting taking thousands of photos. |
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Brooke |
there's a good RFID overview from Dhaka Digi Services. :) DDS++ |
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tcohen |
don't we have SMTP settings in the preferenceS? |
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tcohen |
yet?E |
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cait |
nope |
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cait |
we use the mta from the server |
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cait |
i mean the mta |
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cait |
that is on the server |
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tcohen |
ok, got postfix to send through gmail (from my laptop) |
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eythian |
hi |
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tcohen |
hi eythian |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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eythian |
If only I knew where to find a QA person to look at bug 9250 ... |
| 23:11 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages |
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cait |
hm it's packaging |
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cait |
with a sign-off |
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cait |
wouldn't that be covered by your privileges? |
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cait |
:) |
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eythian |
well, if you think that's the case, I'll pass it :) it doesn't touch anything outside the package directory |
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cait |
what do you think? |
| 23:19 |
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cait |
I am too tired to think :) |
| 23:20 |
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eythian |
I just passed it :) |
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cait |
someone needs to take a look at all unimarc and sip related patches. hm. |
| 23:21 |
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cait |
we clearly have 2 groups there |
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tcohen |
eythian, I'd like to test the packages related docs. Is there a source of up to date data on the koha-create switches usage? |
| 23:22 |
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eythian |
well, this isn't SIP per se, just some stuff to make it easy to manage from the packages. |
| 23:22 |
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tcohen |
i had troubles creating instances with an external DB |
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eythian |
tcohen: the man page is probably the best place. |
| 23:23 |
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cait |
eythian: I know... just talking to myself. we have 2 groups of patches looking a bit stuck right now - unimarc and sip related |
| 23:23 |
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eythian |
ah right |
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eythian |
tcohen: we run with an external db, basically koha-create --create-db can't work in that case, so you use --request-db, create the db on the server, then use --populate-db to finish it up |
| 23:25 |
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eythian |
You could also use --use-db. |
| 23:26 |
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tcohen |
do u belive we could add db related switches to koha-create so all parameters are passed @ command line? |
| 23:27 |
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eythian |
you also need to have /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf set up to contain the database host you want to use. |
| 23:28 |
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cait |
tomorrow? |
| 23:28 |
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wahanui |
somebody said tomorrow was pizza friday! or the day after today. |
| 23:28 |
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eythian |
many options already are specifiable. |
| 23:28 |
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cait |
tomorrow is also a mystical land where 99% of all human productivity, motivation and achievement is stored. |
| 23:28 |
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wahanui |
okay, cait. |
| 23:29 |
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eythian |
I'm not averse to having more, although I would tend to recommend that the config files remain the main source. |
| 23:29 |
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eythian |
It could probably do with more documentation though |
| 23:29 |
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eythian |
also, it wouldn't be trivial to do safely |
| 23:29 |
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eythian |
because you don't want to put the mysql password on the command line |
| 23:29 |
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tcohen |
that's my main concern, i see myself as a power user and strugled to get it working |
| 23:30 |
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tcohen |
(language issues probably) |
| 23:30 |
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eythian |
I'm not sure if setting up external database servers is documented anywhere. |
| 23:30 |
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tcohen |
it isnt, but the docs suggest --use-db should be used for that |
| 23:31 |
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tcohen |
i think i'd add the hostname to the koha/passwd file |
| 23:31 |
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eythian |
no, the docs specifically suggest that you should use the other options :) |
| 23:32 |
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eythian |
If the database you want to use does not reside on localhost, you can |
| 23:32 |
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eythian |
use --request-db and --populate-db, see below. |
| 23:32 |
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eythian |
the hostname is in the mysql config file as it passes that to mysql to connect. |
| 23:33 |
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eythian |
ah, there is some docs on the wiki about using a separate server, but it is missing a critical step |
| 23:33 |
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eythian |
it's not generally a requirement to use the passwd file |
| 23:34 |
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eythian |
that said, it might be worth putting in there too optionally. |
| 23:36 |
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tcohen |
i don't have an opinion on the best approach, its just that it wasn't easy as it should have been |
| 23:36 |
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tcohen |
maybe mixed docs |
| 23:36 |
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tcohen |
incomplete docs, etc |
| 23:36 |
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eythian |
yeah, the docs need a cleanup |
| 23:37 |
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tcohen |
having db switches in koha-create would make it scriptable, thuo |
| 23:38 |
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eythian |
yeah |
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| 23:39 |
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tcohen |
I did a 38 instances test install, that's the whole thing |
| 23:39 |
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tcohen |
have my librarians testing 3.12 |
| 23:39 |
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eythian |
nice |
| 23:40 |
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eythian |
so at the moment it pulls the hostname from the /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf file, and also uses that to connect mysql to the db in localhost setups. So having options that created a temp mysql .cnf file that was used instead might work. |
| 23:41 |
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eythian |
probably the easiest method, anyway. |
| 23:42 |
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tcohen |
yes, for the not-already-created-db scenario |
| 23:43 |
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tcohen |
so, --create-db and --request-db is for non-existent db's. And --use-db for using an already created DB |
| 23:43 |
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eythian |
I am thinking that it might not be necessary to write out the temp file though. Might be enough to add command line options to the mysql calls. |
| 23:44 |
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eythian |
that's right, yeah |
| 23:44 |
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tcohen |
exactly |
| 23:45 |
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tcohen |
if we added hostname to the passwd file that use case would be covered |
| 23:45 |
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tcohen |
(--use-db) |
| 23:47 |
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eythian |
yeah, though if you're doing that, it's worth adding a command line option too. Many people don't use the passwd file. |
| 23:47 |
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tcohen |
eythian: if we had all that option combinations clearly documented, we could have a bash-completion file too :-D |
| 23:48 |
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eythian |
that'd be good :) |
| 23:48 |
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tcohen |
its a pity we live in different timezones |
| 23:50 |
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eythian |
well, it's been suggested that everyone move to NZ, but apparently some people weren't so keen on the idea for some reason. |
| 23:51 |
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bag |
bug 9839 |
| 23:51 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9839 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , when importing MARC records, item record not created even when set to "always add" |
| 23:51 |
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bag |
I need that one QA'd sometime :) |
| 23:54 |
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dcook |
eythian: I don't know about moving per se, but visits sound nice ;) |
| 23:58 |
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tcohen |
yes, you're all welcome to argentina, really |
| 23:58 |
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tcohen |
:-P |
