IRC log for #koha, 2013-03-18

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00:06 jcamins Would someone else like to check master, because as far as I can tell the updates are in order.
00:07 jcamins They weren't, so I corrected them.
00:07 jcamins Twelve hours ago.
00:07 bgkriegel what kind of check?
00:07 jcamins bgkriegel: just check if the updates appear in order.
00:07 jcamins With appearing after
00:07 bgkriegel ok
00:10 eythian jcamins: my copy of master looks correct
00:10 jcamins eythian: thanks.
00:10 jcamins I need to figure out a way to prevent git auto-merging the updates in the wrong order.
00:11 eythian a test case that parses out the updates and checks their order?
00:11 jcamins eythian: yeah, I was thinking of doing that. :)
00:11 jcamins I just have to figure out how to do it.
00:11 bgkriegel the gap between 030 and then 100 is correct?
00:12 jcamins bgkriegel: yup.
00:13 bgkriegel then it's ok
00:14 jcamins Thanks.
00:55 wizzyrea i am really fantastically impressed by the filters and sorting on the intranet detail
00:55 wizzyrea that is made of win.
00:55 jcamins For items?
00:55 wizzyrea eff yea
00:55 jcamins Ah.
00:58 jcamins The more testing there is of the alpha, the better 3.12 will be!
00:58 jcamins Well-
00:58 jcamins if people fix some of the bugs they find, anyway.
00:59 jcamins If you just report them and no one pays any attention it won't make a difference. :P
00:59 cjh knowing about the bugs is still better than not :)
00:59 jcamins True.
00:59 wizzyrea fixing them is better though.
00:59 jcamins Much better.
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01:37 MrAgent075 Hello World! :)
01:37 cjh MrAgent075: welcome back
01:37 wahanui cait abducted me.
01:37 cjh heh
01:38 wizzyrea MrAgent075: looks it's a known issue
01:38 wizzyrea
01:38 wizzyrea also this
01:39 wizzyrea and this
01:47 wizzyrea MrAgent075: it looks to me like the buttons here[…]l#buttonDropdowns work the way we might expect
01:47 wizzyrea so maybe it's a different version of bootstrap?
01:48 MrAgent075 Different Version of Bootstrap?
01:49 wizzyrea right - like perhaps we don't have the most current one, and we need to upgrade it
01:49 wizzyrea because their examples seem to work sanely with tabs and arrows
01:49 MrAgent075 wizzyrea: I don't think it has to do with those variables that we selected from the 'Customizing' page.... is it?
01:49 wizzyrea naw, owen built his own package
01:50 wizzyrea or included everything and did css overrides
01:50 wizzyrea owen's patch is on your original bug I think
01:50 wizzyrea ]
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01:51 MrAgent075 wizzyrea: the issue on [ ] seems to be a year old...
01:51 MrAgent075 Yet we didn't see any problems that are described...
01:51 wizzyrea yep, i'm not sure what they're on about - their issue tracking is confusing at best.
01:52 MrAgent075 On that page, I believe they're just adding more rules... Seems strange, when it just works...
01:52 MrAgent075 or defining rules...
01:52 wizzyrea yea, I wouldn't get hung up on it really
01:53 wizzyrea because I found another ticket, in the rabbit warren den of bugs related to bootstrap + accessibility, that was closed yesterday
01:53 wizzyrea and their example page,
01:53 wizzyrea the buttons work pretty sanely
01:53 wizzyrea with the keyboard
01:54 wizzyrea come here for a sec
01:57 eythian jcamins: y'bout? I have a cataloguing question for you.
01:59 eythian guess not. I'll just make up the answer then.
01:59 wizzyrea what was your question?
02:00 eythian How would: "Contacts for consultation : a directory of Maori organisations = Nga ropu kai korero a iwi : he whakamohio" be converted into the 245 field?
02:01 wizzyrea basically it's a translated title?
02:01 eythian Looking at the MARC21 specs, I think it should end up being 245$a="Contacts for consultation :", 245$b="a directory of Maori organisations = Nga ropu kai korero a iwi : he whakamohio"
02:01 wizzyrea I think there's a marc field for that kind of thing
02:01 eythian I thought so to, but the examples don't seem to reflect that
02:01 wizzyrea I don't feel like that's a subtitle
02:01 eythian 245 03$aLe Bureau$h[filmstrip] =$bLa Oficina = Das Büro.
02:02 wizzyrea maybe a 246?
02:02 eythian (from the docs)
02:02 wizzyrea hm
02:02 eythian I think the '=' converts the subtitle field into the parallel title field from that point on, roughly
02:03 wizzyrea hm not sure.
02:03 wizzyrea thought I'd try tho
02:03 eythian ahhh
02:03 eythian the docs do say
02:03 eythian $b is not subtitle
02:03 eythian $b is "remainder of title"
02:03 MrAgent075 wizzyrea: so we scrapping idea? [[…]y/photos/test.png ]
02:04 eythian "Data includes parallel titles, titles subsequent to the first (in items lacking a collective title), and other title information. "
02:04 eythian I was going wrong thinking it was subtitle
02:04 jcamins eythian: yep.
02:04 wizzyrea ah there you go
02:04 jcamins What's the question?
02:04 wahanui somebody said the question was "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
02:04 jcamins Ah.
02:04 jcamins $aContacts... $ba directory... $cNga ropu...
02:05 eythian jcamins: are you sure, I don't think that's a statement of responsibility
02:05 wizzyrea I agree with eythian here
02:05 wizzyrea it's like a translated title
02:05 eythian there's no '/' in the data, and that's what LOC says is needed.
02:05 jcamins You will *also* need a 246 31 $aNga ropu...$bhe whakamohio
02:05 jcamins Yes.
02:05 jcamins I'm sure.
02:05 jcamins It is a translated title.
02:06 jcamins The rules don't make sense, but there you go.
02:06 jcamins $c is statement of responsibility "etc."
02:07 eythian but $b is "remainder of title", including all the other things.
02:07 jcamins If there's a statement of responsibility, that goes in the middle.
02:07 eythian up to a / that is
02:07 jcamins eythian: I can tell you the records I've seen have always started a new field after =, either $b or $c.
02:08 eythian jcamins: the loc examples don't
02:08 jcamins I can't say whether that's actually "correct," because 245 coding is the most backward part of library cataloging I've yet encountered.
02:08 eythian 245 10$aRock mechanics :$bjournal of the International Society for Rock Mechanics = Felsmechanik.
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02:08 eythian it is very confusing
02:08 jcamins Go with that, then.
02:09 * jcamins shrugs, goes back to working on non-MARC things.
02:09 eythian OK. I think this means I don't have to edit my parser all that much, too :)
02:09 * eythian will be spending the next few days staring at MARC, mostly in horror I think.
02:10 wizzyrea hey I wasn't wrong!
02:10 wizzyrea at least not wholly :P
02:17 * dcook thinks the rock mechanics example looks funny
02:17 dcook But I haven't done a ton with parallel titles
02:18 dcook Tough to make something that considers the rules when cataloguers/cataloguing agencies don't follow them consistently
02:19 eythian <-- teaching of CS in Vietnam.
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03:44 druthb o/
03:46 cjh o/*\o
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04:00 eythian[…]otCom_NetHack.mp3 <-- cjh, wizzyrea, probably others here.
04:06 eythian wahanui: elbereth is <reply>huginn turns to flee!
04:06 wahanui OK, eythian.
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04:22 cjh heh awesome
04:23 cjh actually really good.
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04:58 tanzeem hi gud day
04:58 tanzeem dudes
04:59 tanzeem i had a requirement on using search and print
04:59 tanzeem the results in one go
04:59 tanzeem currently i can get search results and add it to a custom list page by page only
04:59 tanzeem and get the list printed at last
05:01 tanzeem Is there any way to get all the search result get printed at one button click?
05:07 tanzeem di i need to edit the code
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06:30 dcook *waves to cait*
06:30 dcook Gotta jet, but hope you have a good morning ^_^
06:30 cait heya dcook
06:30 cait oh
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06:49 tanzeem hey
06:49 tanzeem gud morning all
06:49 tanzeem i had a douobt anyone to help
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07:15 kohanewbie anybody awake?
07:17 kohanewbie guess not
07:32 tanzeem I had a requirement on using search and print the results in one go. Currently i can get search results and add it to a custom list page by page only and get the list printed at last. Is there any way to get all the search result get printed at one button click? Or do i need to edit the code for this to add new functionality to print all the results on one bu
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07:41 reiveune hello
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08:08 matts hi !
08:08 rangi hi matts, lds and reiveune
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08:21 francharb hello #all
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08:29 jajm hello
08:29 wahanui que tal, jajm
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08:33 christophe_c hello koha
08:34 bag good morning
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08:35 asaurat hi!
08:35 khall mornin all!
08:36 * magnuse waves from marseille
08:39 rangi hi francharb, jajm, christophe_c, bag, asaurat, khall and magnuse
08:39 francharb hi rangi
08:39 bag heya rangi
08:40 jajm hi rangi
08:40 christophe_c hi rangi
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08:45 magnuse kia ora rangi
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08:47 tanzeem hi
08:48 tanzeem anybody konws a solution to my problem posted earlier?
08:48 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:48 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (9:30 AM CET on March 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising).
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08:49 tanzeem :(
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08:54 alex_a hello !
08:54 alex_a @wunder mrs
08:54 huginn alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (9:30 AM CET on March 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising).
09:01 Joubu hi #koha!
09:01 cait hi Joubu :)
09:01 cait ready to do some qa? :)
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09:08 drojf good morning #koha
09:09 cait good morning drojf
09:09 cait welcome to hackfest bug sqashing madness :)
09:09 slef morning
09:10 drojf nice. squash some for me please. got university madness to deal with :(
09:14 cait ts
09:14 cait morning slef
09:14 dpavlin Marseille hackfest introduction is in progress...
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09:16 drojf dpavlin: you are there?
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09:19 rangi oh, something to mention for the hackfest
09:19 rangi i think we have a problem with the sudoc icons in master
09:19 dpavlin drojf: yap
09:19 rangi[…]/Les-icones-Sudoc
09:19 rangi they are licensed cc-by-sa-nc
09:19 drojf dpavlin: cool, have fun
09:20 rangi which isn't gpl3 compatible
09:20 drojf the rest of you too, of course
09:21 rangi could someone who speaks french ask the license holder if they could offer it under a license we could use .. or we will have to remove them before release
09:21 cait I will point someone to it
09:21 rangi thank you
09:22 cait I think they are trying to get the librarian group into #koha right now :)
09:22 cait who was the original patch from?
09:22 rangi it would be a shame to have to remove them again, but we are breaking the license if we distribute them
09:22 rangi biblibre iirc
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09:22 cait wanted to know which one :)
09:22 cait but it's ok
09:22 cait I will figure out
09:23 rangi sophie_m
09:23 wahanui sophie_m is looking for a .mrc file to import into the catalog
09:23 rangi bug 9025
09:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9025 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add new icons for item types
09:23 rangi that one
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09:24 slef rangi: -nc? Which isn't FOSS-compatible :-/
09:25 rangi yep
09:25 rangi so we would have to get them under a different license or remove them
09:25 rangi -nc is a blight
09:27 slef rangi: yeah. It's also confused or at least confuses licensors. Have you read any Rob Myers diatribes against it?
09:27 rangi yeah, its like 'as such' it's a field day for lawyers
09:27 magnuse slef: my DUE messages are being sent out with title and author now
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09:30 slef magnuse: not heard back about ours yet, but thanks for your help.
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09:31 clrh hello
09:31 wahanui hello, clrh
09:32 cait hi claire :)
09:32 cait rangi, slef: I talked to paul_p about the icons
09:32 cait maybe you can state the problem here better than I can?
09:32 drojf i think NC is not a blight. if you don't want your stuff to be used by evil corporations, with CC you don't have another choice than to use it and grant extra permissions to eg. FOSS projects, as far as i can see. a NC flavour as »non-closed« would be nice to have -> »free to use with GPL« or something
09:33 rangi drojf: NC doesn't do what it seeks to do
09:33 drojf true
09:34 rangi cait/paul_p: we cant include the files licensed under cc-by-sa-nc
09:34 rangi its that simple
09:34 rangi they need to be under a FOSS compatible license
09:35 clrh jcamins: hello I am trying to enhance search engine documentation on the wiki and there is a lot of things, do you have a clear overview ? is there an "entry point" ?
09:35 rangi i'm sorry I didn't spot that before it was pushed
09:35 paul_p agreed with rangi. The licence is clearly stated, I don't see what I should/could ask to ABES (except "change your licence" or "bi-licence", which will not be successfull and/or quick)
09:35 rangi yah
09:36 cait clrh: I think a bit too early for jared - maybe around lunch time he will show up
09:36 rangi i think dual license, or change the license is the only thing we could do
09:36 cait clrh: did you see the query parser yet ? it went in yesterday
09:36 clrh cait: nop
09:36 clrh cait: where can I read or see things about this ?
09:37 rangi paul_p: it's a shame, they are nice icons
09:37 clrh ("far in my mind")
09:37 slef drojf: NC is non-commercial, not non-corporation. Tons of people use it as an attack on evil corporations, but it leaves them totally unprotected against them.
09:38 slef drojf: a truly evil corporation will take the -NC work, distribute it massively for free, thereby destroying most of the market for the creator to make money from selling it themselves.
09:41 * rangi was going to try signing off on bug 9352
09:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9352 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Zebra indexes useless subfields in UNIMARC 7XX
09:41 drojf slef: i don't think NC is useable as a business model. i would use that for fun/ hobby projects that i somehow think are useful for others. i don't know, blogging or painting stuff, but things that i do not plan to commercialize, but that "are there" and i agree others should be able to use if they like. i don't know what the icon people in our case do
09:42 rangi but i dont have good test data, ill leave that to someone who has more unimarc data to test
09:42 cait i think there was a unimarc db on the sandbox repo
09:42 cait I am using that mostly
09:43 slef drojf: I think I called it the Municipal Flowerbed of licensing: it looks good at first glance but costs us all money, is often a waste of productive land and reduces the demand for commercial flowers.
09:44 reiveune cait: for 5635, the little explain can be in a comment or do you want it on commit message ?
09:44 cait reiveune: commit message would be better I think :)
09:49 drojf slef: i don't see how that reduces the demand of »commercial flowers«. it obvioulsy does not, hence the problem now :P
09:50 drojf anyhow, having looked at the abes site i don't think this license makes much sense in this case
09:50 cait flowers?
09:51 slef cait: s/flowers/creative works/ - I used it as a metaphor years ago.
09:51 slef cait: lots of tulips and other flowers are grown in South Holland, 10 miles from me.
09:52 rangi is fridolyn around?
09:56 cait he is
09:56 cait do yo uwant me to point him to irc?
09:57 rangi fridolyn++ #for giving me the chance to write that comment on bug 9683
09:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9683 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Allow disable rewrite apache mod
09:57 * rangi signs off
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09:58 gaetan_B hello
09:58 * cait waves at gaetan_B :)
10:04 clrh something exists yet:[…]ing_and_Retrieval
10:04 clrh \lo/
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10:05 frido_s hie all, Fridolyn SOMERS
10:07 frido_s rangi: hie, you were looking for me ?
10:08 rangi frido_s: yep[…]ug.cgi?id=9683#c5
10:08 huginn Bug 9683: normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Allow disable rewrite apache mod
10:08 rangi i signed off
10:09 frido_s rangi: super cool
10:10 magnuse rangi: tee hee ;-)
10:11 frido_s RewriteRule (.+) $1?%1%2 [N,R,NE]
10:11 frido_s rangi: do you think we can remove it instead of comment ?
10:12 rangi i think probably remove it and the condition later, commented for now is fine
10:16 rangi as far as i can tell, removing empty parameters is just dangerous, and not ever useful
10:16 cait should koha update to 100?
10:16 rangi yep, thats the alpha release
10:18 rangi right time to sleep
10:18 rangi have a good day
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10:25 cait1 oh good
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10:26 frido_s rangi: ok, thanks
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10:30 brendan_ hello
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10:38 liw rangi, if you take all my Debian advice seriously, I will have to start thinking about what I say
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11:15 frido_s Rebased Bug 7933, needs QA
11:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7933 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Fields in marc display not the same
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11:19 alex_a reiveune++
11:19 reiveune ??
11:19 alex_a reiveune: bz 3087
11:19 clrh dpavlin: works for me[…]oyment#Setup_Solr
11:19 alex_a sed command :)
11:19 matts reiveune++
11:20 dpavlin clrh++ I allready started reading and following it :-)
11:20 reiveune ha, ok :)
11:21 Viktor Hi!
11:21 cait1 hi Viktor :)
11:22 bag alex_a++
11:22 cait1 bug 3087
11:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
11:22 bag signoff on bz 7883
11:23 Viktor Does anyone know if there is a way to lock Koha to always handle input the same way? For example "Always search for barcode and open the checkout history-tab".
11:23 clrh dpavlin: actually, it it old doc but with wrong title in wiki, I am adjusting the "perl lib install" now
11:23 Viktor That would be highly usable :)
11:24 drojf Viktor: if i understand you correctly that should be doable with jquery (change default tab, default menu item)
11:25 Viktor Thanks drojf!
11:26 drojf Viktor: do you know[…]ki/JQuery_Library ? that might give you some ideas
11:26 Viktor Question is if I can build it easy enough for the average librarian to use in everyday use on a whim.
11:27 Viktor I guess I could just insert a search box pointing to "cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/issue​ form form"
11:27 drojf you would put the jquery in the local js syspref, there is nothing to handle in everyday use
11:28 Viktor No - Might prepare a few custom boxes and hide them somewhere in a local add on. Thanks drojf
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11:44 jcamins clrh: no.
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12:24 oleonard Ahoy Hackfesters
12:27 clrh jcamins: actually I found this category:[…]ing_and_Retrieval seems to be the closest
12:27 jcamins clrh: interesting! I didn't know about that category.
12:28 clrh ^^
12:28 clrh Maybe the name "search engine" would be more appropriate (I thought you created it ;)
12:29 jcamins Search engine would be much more appropriate.
12:37 bag great cheese to finsh up lunch!!!
12:37 bag looking forward to more good cheese!
12:38 oleonard Hey bag, flight go okay?
12:38 bag yup no problems
12:38 oleonard where are you staying?
12:38 bag hotel moderna
12:40 * cait1 waves at oleonard
12:40 cait1 there also was cake - yum.
12:40 oleonard Looks like you'll have good weather this week?
12:41 cait1 it didn't look like it at first but now it's sunny outside
12:41 cait1 hm or it was a bit earlier
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12:43 oleonard First thunderstorm of spring happening here at the moment
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12:49 cait1 jcamins: already awake? :)
12:49 cait1 I was about to answer the mail on the mailing list about a query parser problem, but then ralized you might be here already
12:50 jcamins Yeah, just pondering the unit test for 7804.
12:50 oleonard jcamins hasn't slept since Thursday evening
12:50 jcamins I'll take a look.
12:54 clrh rangi: hello, when does this board reinitialized ?
12:54 clrh (has been)
12:54 cait1 oleonard: why did he not?
12:55 cait1 clrh: I think rangi is keeping it as it was
12:55 cait1 clrh: but everyone should show up on the dashboard
12:55 oleonard Based on the bugzilla activity cait1
12:55 cait1
12:55 * cait1 nick ciat
12:55 cait1 hm
12:56 clrh it would have been interresting to reinitialize it when hf starts
12:56 cait clrh: I think noone thought of it and now rangi is asleep
12:57 clrh ;)
12:57 clrh ooki
12:57 clrh I wil ask him tomorrow ^^
13:01 tcohen is bz down or its our isp?
13:02 jcamins Works for me.
13:04 cait bag++
13:08 tcohen its our isp, was hearing mgmt's kids @ grooveshark and stopped too
13:13 oleonard tcohen:
13:14 tcohen OMGH
13:14 tcohen thanks oleonard !!
13:15 cait hm git bz is very slow for me too
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13:27 Herwig Hey Koha ive been doing library work the last week and i noticed in aquisitions that i sometimes get more then 1 discription in my catalog from 1 item in the aquisitions - add basket - add order follow up ... do i do something wrong ?
13:27 clrh what is brendan nickname ?
13:27 bag bag
13:27 bag brendan = bag
13:27 clrh[…]284210f0e6300d7d7 the board I show you bag
13:28 bag thank you!
13:28 bag whoops… merci
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13:29 reiveune paul_p: can you confirm me the english availability of this explain please : list of fields that will not be imported : can be either 001 to 999 or field, subfield and subfield's matching value as such 200avalue
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13:32 jcamins khall: around?
13:33 frido_s bug 9806 needs to be splitted in feature and cosmetic changes (sometimes folding) . I've added a comment
13:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Patch doesn't apply , Show more information on basketgroups lists
13:34 paul_p jcamins just called khall that is in front of me ;-)
13:34 jcamins Thanks.
13:36 frido_s does someone know what means "good reads" at OPAC ?
13:37 oleonard Integration with this service:
13:38 matts cait, khall, I've answered to your concerns about BZ 7673, if you may want to have a look at it again... :)
13:38 cait matts: ok :)
13:38 cait bug 7673
13:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , New patron permissions
13:41 clrh dpavlin: I got error with moose dependencies :'(
13:41 clrh errorSS
13:48 bag christophe_c: admin/  line 300 needs { }
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13:50 christophe_c ok thx bag
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13:51 bag christophe_c:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9835
13:51 huginn Bug 9835: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Brackets missing for branches for patron attribute types
13:51 christophe_c ok bag I take it
13:53 magnuse christophe_c++
13:53 christophe_c magnuse: the ++ for bag in fact ;-)
13:54 magnuse ok bag++ then :-)
13:54 bag christophe_c++
13:55 christophe_c ;-)
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13:57 jcamins Good news, everyone!
13:58 magnuse yay!
13:58 magnuse what?
13:58 jcamins Apparently while we were all doing useful things, patent law in the United States became *even* *stupider*.
13:58 oleonard Oh gawd what now
13:58 magnuse um, is that good news? it's so stupid it might just implode
13:59 jcamins oleonard: apparently the US now has a first-to-file system instead of first-to-invent.
13:59 jcamins Which I think means that Microsoft can patent things that Apple did in the 80s and vice versa.
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14:00 oleonard Anyone have anything they'd like me to look at?
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14:05 jcamins paul_p: could you (or someone else who speaks French) please confirm the license on the sudoc icons?
14:06 paul_p jcamins = yes, I confirm, it's clearly cc-nc-sa, which is not GPL compatible
14:07 jcamins Thanks.
14:07 jcamins I will revert.
14:07 paul_p i've nothing against it (except it's fancy icons, shame they've this licence...)
14:08 paul_p cait = QAing but 9780
14:08 cait bug 9780
14:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9780 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Signed Off , Deleting a record suppress bibliographic info in orders using that record
14:08 cait i am on bug 9103 right now
14:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9103 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , should use AutoEmailPrimaryAddress syspref
14:08 jcamins Reverted.
14:14 cait :,(
14:14 jajm cait: bug 9117 freshly rebased :)
14:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Reports hierarchies management improvements
14:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Merge branch 'bug_9025' into 3.12-master" <[…]c529a653342644ca2>
14:16 cait jajm: thanks :) htat's next in row now
14:17 cait guess it will take all night to read all the bug mails produced today :)
14:18 cait oleonard: is yui menu dead yet? :)
14:19 oleonard almost!
14:20 oleonard Actually the menus may all be done.
14:20 oleonard Bug 8278, Bug 9769, Bug 9773
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9769 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI buttons on acquisitions basket page with Bootstrap
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery
14:20 oleonard Odds and ends left.
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14:22 oleonard And then there's the basketgroups drag and drop JS which I'm scared to look at :(
14:23 oleonard But I have a patch ready to "isolate" that page by calling YUI dependencies directly and remove them from the global header
14:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #1083 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
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14:37 cait but 9103 passed qa
14:37 cait bug 9103
14:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9103 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , should use AutoEmailPrimaryAddress syspref
14:37 cait oleonard++ :)
14:37 cait hope you get sign-offs on those :)
14:37 cait *hint*
14:37 clrh[…]Install_perl_libs dpavlin it works for me know!
14:39 clrh[…]0947b;hb=dev/solr dpavlin
14:43 Joubu dpavlin: patch already exists: bug 9727. It is waiting qa
14:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9727 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Typo in code causes compilation failure with Solr enabled
14:44 Joubu cc cait: Bug 9727 wait for qa. It is a really easy patch ;)
14:44 jajm khall: bug 6739 doesn't apply on master, could you rebase it please?
14:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6739 major, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Patch doesn't apply , expired patrons not blocked from opac actions
14:45 cait bug 9727
14:45 cait Joubu: hm I don't have solr
14:45 cait maybe I can use dpavlin's setup :)
14:48 cait Joubu: I talked to dpavlin - will look at 9117 now - but this next
14:49 magnuse germs?
14:49 wahanui i guess germs is
14:49 magnuse germs?
14:49 wahanui germs is
14:49 magnuse germs?
14:49 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
14:50 clrh \o/
14:57 dpavlin Joubu: I just signed off bug 9727 -- I have same fix :-)
14:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9727 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Typo in code causes compilation failure with Solr enabled
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15:08 oleonard tcohen: Can you please add a test plan to your patch for Bug 9731?
15:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9731 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Remove in favor of (already present)
15:13 tcohen done
15:14 oleonard Thanks
15:14 tcohen its actually a trivial fix, both files are almost identical
15:14 tcohen there were still wrong references to the old-not-deleted one
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15:22 * matts will smile for sign-offs (and qa's too) ! :)
15:24 matts otherwise i'll pout !
15:24 jcamins matts: does that work?
15:24 matts Not for the moment, but I have hope !
15:25 jcamins Hehe.
15:25 matts C'mon people ! I've got small patches, big patches, all freshly rebased and waiting for you !
15:28 oleonard Don't forget the finely-aged patches!
15:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1083: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1083/
15:30 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Revert "Merge branch 'bug_9025' into 3.12-master"
15:31 tcohen rebasing but 7440 is no fun at all
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15:38 jcamins tcohen: I gave up on 7430.
15:38 magnuse bug 7440
15:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
15:38 jcamins I was going to do 7440 after 7430 got in, but when 7430 became an albatross I decided to just leave it.
15:39 jcamins Wait...
15:39 jcamins bug 7340
15:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7340 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced enhancement
15:39 jcamins bug 7430
15:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED WONTFIX, ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
15:39 jcamins No, I did get it right.
15:39 jcamins I was going to do 7430 and then 7440, but when 7430 didn't work out I couldn't bring myself to do 7440, so now you get to look at it.
15:44 tcohen i hate you :-P
15:49 jajm cait: i'm writing a follow-up for bug 9117, will be available soon
15:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Reports hierarchies management improvements
15:51 cait jajm: thx - continuing testing :)
15:52 cait jajm: oh
15:52 oleonard Ugh, a wild UTF-8utf-8 appears...
15:52 cait jajm: could you also fix another small thing? single quotes in javascript string
15:57 cait jajm++
16:01 tcohen i think i need to redo the patch for 7440 jcamins
16:01 jcamins :(
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16:10 paul_p cait QAing bug 9341 now
16:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
16:10 cait paul_p: still working on report hierarchies - very nice feature
16:20 tcohen donde rebasing bug 7440
16:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
16:25 drojf oh my
16:25 paul_p cait QAing bug 8979
16:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8979 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , "News" does not work with CCSR
16:30 paul_p cait QAing bug 7441 (cc khall )
16:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7441 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , search results showing wrong branch?
16:31 cait paul_p++ :)
16:34 reiveune bye
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16:36 cait oleonard: around?
16:36 oleonard Yes
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16:42 cait ah
16:43 cait I am passing qa on 9117
16:43 cait and wanted to ask if you have taken a look at it by chance?
16:43 cait I think it turned out rather nice :)
16:43 cait and maybe... someday git bz will let me attach all five patches back to the bug
16:43 oleonard No I haven't seen it in action
16:44 cait right now I have messed up the bug... *sigh*
16:45 jcamins cait: how much longer will you folks be hacking away? It strikes me that your day is probably just about over, in which case it might make sense for me to wait and just push everything at once.
16:46 cait yep
16:46 jcamins Push or fail, obviously.
16:46 cait we are about to wrap up I think
16:46 cait people started talking about dinner
16:47 oleonard Mmm.... dinner.
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16:47 oleonard Hopefully francharb and gaetan_B won't take you on too long a walk to find it ;)
16:49 gaetan_B oleonard: :D the walk back from the ukrainian restaurant is much easier than the walk to get there somehow
16:50 jcamins Hehe.
16:59 cait oleonard: I am more worried tht they actually know where it is and it#s not closed on this day
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17:08 cait[…]i-bin/
17:08 cait[…]bin/
17:09 cait
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17:27 * chris_n welcomes bug 7804 to the century club
17:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Add Koha Plugin System
17:28 chris_n
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17:32 jcamins Ouch.
17:34 gaetan_B bye
18:02 MikeC Can someone tell me whether there were database schema changes from 3.08 to 3.10, please?
18:03 jcamins MikeC: yes, many.
18:03 jcamins updatedatabase takes care of them.
18:04 MikeC what about 3.09 to 3.10? Someone here decided to use the development branch for our last update. Now I'm being asked to "fix it."
18:05 jcamins MikeC: 3.9 was used for development versions leading up to 3.10.
18:05 jcamins updatedatabase will take care of that too.
18:07 MikeC fantastic. I'm building a brand new 3.10 box. If I do a sql dump on old box, and restore it to the new box, I can just run updatedatabase?
18:08 jcamins Yes.
18:08 jcamins Easy peasy.
18:08 MikeC wonderful! Thank you very much!
18:08 jcamins You're welcome.
18:14 chris_n did someone say "easy?"
18:15 jcamins chris_n: it is easy!
18:15 MikeC it was said. I am currently copying the sql file from old box to new box.
18:15 chris_n it?
18:15 * chris_n looks around for the bot
18:16 jcamins wahanui: hello
18:16 wahanui what's up, jcamins
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18:24 drojf i still don't know what to answer to the person asking if they should change the default password of a live cd they are running in production.
18:25 slef drojf: "yes, but you're lost anyway and should really do a proper installation."
18:45 oleonard Hunh, I guess I did test Bug 9117 at some point, since I submitted a follow-up for it :P
18:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Reports hierarchies management improvements
18:45 * oleonard has been sleep-patching
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19:11 NCAR_Lib Are you around, Galen?
19:11 NCAR_Lib Michael here...
19:11 oleonard gmcharlt?
19:11 wahanui gmcharlt is probably an expert in all things library technology.
19:11 gmcharlt hi NCAR_Lib
19:11 NCAR_Lib Oh hi.  Our Koha instance seems to be down at the moment.
19:13 NCAR_Lib Is something amiss on your end?
19:13 gmcharlt NCAR_Lib: indeed; we're working on it and will have it back up shortly
19:13 NCAR_Lib Oh, ok.  Thanks.  Just shoot me an email when all is well again.
19:13 gmcharlt sure thing
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19:43 MikeC Hi again. The updatedatabase script is failing because it cannot locate C4/ The file exists at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/, so I assume it's an include folder issue. Where is that set?
19:44 jcamins faq?
19:44 wahanui somebody said faq was found at
19:44 jcamins You'll need to set your environment variables.
19:44 jcamins Somewhere on the FAQ are instructions for that.
19:44 jcamins export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
19:44 jcamins And `export KOHA_CONF=/wherever/you/find/koha-conf.xml`
19:46 MikeC Thanks - reading FAQ now
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19:58 chris_n after munging about a bit with python, I remember why it is that I hate snakes
19:59 jcamins lol
20:04 rangi morning
20:04 jcamins Morning.
20:04 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
20:04 cjh chris_n: is it because they don't have feet?
20:05 oleonard You know it's been a long day of testing when you want to stab in the neck.
20:05 oleonard ...for varying values of "long"
20:06 jcamins oleonard: what did do to you?
20:06 oleonard It presents me with conflicts, over and over and over
20:06 jcamins Ah.
20:06 jcamins Yes.
20:08 rangi wizzyrea: i talked with the hackfesters on irc last night about the sudoc icons
20:08 wizzyrea cool
20:08 wizzyrea what did they say?
20:08 rangi its not just dangerous, we simply cant include it, it is not compatible with the GPL
20:08 cjh ohhh non-commercial, ouch.
20:08 jcamins I reverted it.
20:08 wizzyrea there you have it
20:08 rangi thanks
20:09 rangi maybe biblibre can talk them into releasing it under a sane license
20:09 wizzyrea they probably don't know what exactly they are doing
20:10 jcamins :-O
20:10 oleonard Dear patch authors: If you introduce a new system preference in your patch, please divulge the name of this preference in your test plan.
20:13 drojf heh
20:17 jcamins cjh: drat.
20:17 jcamins Good call.
20:17 jcamins I'll do that later.
20:17 cjh I haven't checked if it's in there, but I thought it quicker to mention it than check.
20:17 jcamins It is.
20:19 drojf it will become a rare, sought-after version. they will call it "the one with the forbidden icons"
20:19 cjh heh
20:20 drojf it will be traded on the black market. as a live cd
20:20 cjh drojf++
20:20 jcamins lol
20:20 chris_n hehe
20:20 chris_n cjh: its because they are silent and deadly
20:21 * chris_n is working with Inline::Python
20:23 cjh oh wow..
20:41 slef anyone tried any of the distributed bug trackers?
20:42 jcamins Not me.
21:07 eythian hi
21:07 wahanui hello, eythian
21:08 eythian slef: they look interesting, I've been meaning to give them a go some time
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21:29 mib_mgp7zn 4dsdgsdg
21:30 jcamins Right on!
21:30 rangi heh
21:31 drojf what about we make mibbit go into #koha_test and the bot there says "if you actually read this, click on #koha"? :P
21:32 rangi heh
21:32 jcamins Heh.
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21:36 jcamins I would be willing to include the RDA framework in 3.12, but only if there is a firm commitment from a *librarian* to test a patch adding it in the next week.
21:37 jcamins I'm not sure if it's worth responding or whether I should just ignore the thread.
21:37 drojf yay, not a librarian
21:37 rangi i just responded saying
21:37 cait it's too late... i am ignoring it for tonight
21:37 rangi just import the file from the wiki
21:38 rangi and then if someone actually figures out a way for RDA to actually be useful to a library user .. in 30 years time you will be all set
21:38 jcamins Well, yeah, that's the obvious solution.
21:40 jcamins But I am willing to make allowances for librarians' beliefs that they need someone else to do things for them.
21:41 rangi im over that ;-) im all "learn stuff"
21:41 jcamins Hey, my solution involved them learning things too.
21:42 rangi true
21:42 jcamins 'Cause of course there isn't a patch.
21:42 * jcamins noticed.
21:43 rangi yeah i couldnt be bothered doing one, cos after doing the framework i realised, this is stupid and pointless
21:43 rangi maybe for a brand new library
21:43 * jcamins doesn't blame you.
21:43 rangi with all of its records RDA
21:43 rangi you could do something
21:44 rangi but mix and match for the next 15 years
21:44 rangi blargh
21:44 rangi inconsistent display issues ftl
21:45 jcamins Heh.
21:45 jcamins Exactly.
21:45 jcamins Does the GPL/AGPL really require that *every* file include the license?
21:45 jcamins Because I feel kind of silly adding the exact same text to several dozen files when the majority are ~12 lines long.
21:46 rangi it doesn't require it, but it is nicer if that file gets pulled out by itself
21:46 jcamins Hm.
21:47 rangi i think debian packaging (for debian proper) might require it
21:54 jcamins Not really an issue for my other project at the moment.
21:59 drojf good night
21:59 wahanui I watch you sleep.
21:59 cjh heh
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22:17 cait wizzyrea: around?
22:19 rangi shes at a meeting
22:23 cait ah ok :)
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22:39 wizzyrea im back now - sup
22:42 cait hada question about a bu
22:42 cait g
22:42 cait but I think Imisread anyway
22:42 cait :)
22:42 wizzyrea oh, okies
22:42 cait bye #koha
22:42 wizzyrea bye :)
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22:51 dcook Morning #koha
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23:20 tcohen julian maurice
23:20 tcohen '
23:20 tcohen ?
23:21 rangi he will be asleep its past midnight in france
23:22 tcohen tz, that bi*ch
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