Time  Nick         Message
23:22 tcohen       tz, that bi*ch
23:21 rangi        he will be asleep its past midnight in france
23:20 tcohen       ?
23:20 tcohen       '
23:20 tcohen       julian maurice
22:51 dcook        Morning #koha
22:42 wizzyrea     bye :)
22:42 cait         bye #koha
22:42 wizzyrea     oh, okies
22:42 cait         :)
22:42 cait         but I think Imisread anyway
22:42 cait         g
22:42 cait         hada question about a bu
22:39 wizzyrea     im back now - sup
22:23 cait         ah ok :)
22:19 rangi        shes at a meeting
22:17 cait         wizzyrea: around?
21:59 cjh          heh
21:59 wahanui      I watch you sleep.
21:59 drojf        good night
21:54 jcamins      Not really an issue for my other project at the moment.
21:47 rangi        i think debian packaging (for debian proper) might require it
21:46 jcamins      Hm.
21:46 rangi        it doesn't require it, but it is nicer if that file gets pulled out by itself
21:45 jcamins      Because I feel kind of silly adding the exact same text to several dozen files when the majority are ~12 lines long.
21:45 jcamins      Does the GPL/AGPL really require that *every* file include the license?
21:45 jcamins      Exactly.
21:45 jcamins      Heh.
21:44 rangi        inconsistent display issues ftl
21:44 rangi        blargh
21:44 rangi        but mix and match for the next 15 years
21:43 rangi        you could do something
21:43 rangi        with all of its records RDA
21:43 * jcamins    doesn't blame you.
21:43 rangi        maybe for a brand new library
21:43 rangi        yeah i couldnt be bothered doing one, cos after doing the framework i realised, this is stupid and pointless
21:42 * jcamins    noticed.
21:42 jcamins      'Cause of course there isn't a patch.
21:42 rangi        true
21:41 jcamins      Hey, my solution involved them learning things too.
21:41 rangi        im over that ;-) im all "learn stuff"
21:40 jcamins      But I am willing to make allowances for librarians' beliefs that they need someone else to do things for them.
21:38 jcamins      Well, yeah, that's the obvious solution.
21:38 rangi        and then if someone actually figures out a way for RDA to actually be useful to a library user .. in 30 years time you will be all set
21:37 rangi        just import the file from the wiki
21:37 cait         it's too late... i am ignoring it for tonight
21:37 rangi        i just responded saying
21:37 drojf        yay, not a librarian
21:37 jcamins      I'm not sure if it's worth responding or whether I should just ignore the thread.
21:36 jcamins      I would be willing to include the RDA framework in 3.12, but only if there is a firm commitment from a *librarian* to test a patch adding it in the next week.
21:32 jcamins      Heh.
21:32 rangi        heh
21:31 drojf        what about we make mibbit go into #koha_test and the bot there says "if you actually read this, click on #koha"? :P
21:30 rangi        heh
21:30 jcamins      Right on!
21:29 mib_mgp7zn   4dsdgsdg
21:26 alohabot     Hi mib_mgp7zn, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
21:08 eythian      slef: they look interesting, I've been meaning to give them a go some time
21:07 wahanui      hello, eythian
21:07 eythian      hi
20:42 jcamins      Not me.
20:41 slef         anyone tried any of the distributed bug trackers?
20:23 cjh          oh wow..
20:21 * chris_n    is working with Inline::Python
20:20 chris_n      cjh: its because they are silent and deadly
20:20 chris_n      hehe
20:20 jcamins      lol
20:20 cjh          drojf++
20:20 drojf        it will be traded on the black market. as a live cd
20:19 cjh          heh
20:19 drojf        it will become a rare, sought-after version. they will call it "the one with the forbidden icons"
20:17 jcamins      It is.
20:17 cjh          I haven't checked if it's in there, but I thought it quicker to mention it than check.
20:17 jcamins      I'll do that later.
20:17 jcamins      Good call.
20:17 jcamins      cjh: drat.
20:16 cjh          [off] if the sudoc icons made it into 3.12 alpha, we should probably repackage
20:14 jcamins      [off] Not just not possible. _unpossible_
20:13 drojf        heh
20:10 jcamins      [off] A major library organization that doesn't know what it's doing?!? Not possible!
20:10 oleonard     Dear patch authors: If you introduce a new system preference in your patch, please divulge the name of this preference in your test plan.
20:10 jcamins      :-O
20:09 wizzyrea     they probably don't know what exactly they are doing
20:09 rangi        maybe biblibre can talk them into releasing it under a sane license
20:08 rangi        thanks
20:08 wizzyrea     there you have it
20:08 jcamins      I reverted it.
20:08 cjh          ohhh non-commercial, ouch.
20:08 rangi        its not just dangerous, we simply cant include it, it is not compatible with the GPL
20:08 wizzyrea     what did they say?
20:08 wizzyrea     cool
20:08 rangi        wizzyrea: i talked with the hackfesters on irc last night about the sudoc icons
20:06 jcamins      Yes.
20:06 jcamins      Ah.
20:06 oleonard     It presents me with conflicts, over and over and over
20:06 jcamins      oleonard: what did updatedatabase.pl do to you?
20:05 oleonard     ...for varying values of "long"
20:05 oleonard     You know it's been a long day of testing when you want to stab updatedatabase.pl in the neck.
20:04 cjh          chris_n: is it because they don't have feet?
20:04 wahanui      Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
20:04 jcamins      Morning.
20:04 rangi        morning
19:59 jcamins      lol
19:58 chris_n      after munging about a bit with python, I remember why it is that I hate snakes
19:46 MikeC        Thanks - reading FAQ now
19:44 jcamins      And `export KOHA_CONF=/wherever/you/find/koha-conf.xml`
19:44 jcamins      export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
19:44 jcamins      Somewhere on the FAQ are instructions for that.
19:44 jcamins      You'll need to set your environment variables.
19:44 wahanui      somebody said faq was found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
19:44 jcamins      faq?
19:43 MikeC        Hi again. The updatedatabase script is failing because it cannot locate C4/Context.pm. The file exists at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm, so I assume it's an include folder issue. Where is that set?
19:13 gmcharlt     sure thing
19:13 NCAR_Lib     Oh, ok.  Thanks.  Just shoot me an email when all is well again.
19:13 gmcharlt     NCAR_Lib: indeed; we're working on it and will have it back up shortly
19:13 NCAR_Lib     Is something amiss on your end?
19:11 NCAR_Lib     Oh hi.  Our Koha instance seems to be down at the moment.
19:11 gmcharlt     hi NCAR_Lib
19:11 wahanui      gmcharlt is probably an expert in all things library technology.
19:11 oleonard     gmcharlt?
19:11 NCAR_Lib     Michael here...
19:11 NCAR_Lib     Are you around, Galen?
18:45 * oleonard   has been sleep-patching
18:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Reports hierarchies management improvements
18:45 oleonard     Hunh, I guess I did test Bug 9117 at some point, since I submitted a follow-up for it :P
18:25 slef         drojf: "yes, but you're lost anyway and should really do a proper installation."
18:24 drojf        i still don't know what to answer to the person asking if they should change the default password of a live cd they are running in production.
18:16 wahanui      what's up, jcamins
18:16 jcamins      wahanui: hello
18:15 * chris_n    looks around for the bot
18:15 chris_n      it?
18:15 MikeC        it was said. I am currently copying the sql file from old box to new box.
18:15 jcamins      chris_n: it is easy!
18:14 chris_n      did someone say "easy?"
18:08 jcamins      You're welcome.
18:08 MikeC        wonderful! Thank you very much!
18:08 jcamins      Easy peasy.
18:08 jcamins      Yes.
18:07 MikeC        fantastic. I'm building a brand new 3.10 box. If I do a sql dump on old box, and restore it to the new box, I can just run updatedatabase?
18:05 jcamins      updatedatabase will take care of that too.
18:05 jcamins      MikeC: 3.9 was used for development versions leading up to 3.10.
18:04 MikeC        what about 3.09 to 3.10? Someone here decided to use the development branch for our last update. Now I'm being asked to "fix it."
18:03 jcamins      updatedatabase takes care of them.
18:03 jcamins      MikeC: yes, many.
18:02 MikeC        Can someone tell me whether there were database schema changes from 3.08 to 3.10, please?
17:34 gaetan_B     bye
17:32 jcamins      Ouch.
17:28 chris_n      http://tinyurl.com/c2ybkcd
17:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Add Koha Plugin System
17:27 * chris_n    welcomes bug 7804 to the century club
17:09 cait         http://stats.workbuffer.org/its_a_bugs_life.html
17:08 cait         http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_counts.pl
17:08 cait         http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl
16:59 cait         oleonard: I am more worried tht they actually know where it is and it#s not closed on this day
16:50 jcamins      Hehe.
16:49 gaetan_B     oleonard: :D the walk back from the ukrainian restaurant is much easier than the walk to get there somehow
16:47 oleonard     Hopefully francharb and gaetan_B won't take you on too long a walk to find it ;)
16:47 oleonard     Mmm.... dinner.
16:46 cait         people started talking about dinner
16:46 cait         we are about to wrap up I think
16:46 jcamins      Push or fail, obviously.
16:46 cait         yep
16:45 jcamins      cait: how much longer will you folks be hacking away? It strikes me that your day is probably just about over, in which case it might make sense for me to wait and just push everything at once.
16:44 cait         right now I have messed up the bug... *sigh*
16:43 oleonard     No I haven't seen it in action
16:43 cait         and maybe... someday git bz will let me attach all five patches back to the bug
16:43 cait         I think it turned out rather nice :)
16:43 cait         and wanted to ask if you have taken a look at it by chance?
16:43 cait         I am passing qa on 9117
16:42 cait         ah
16:36 oleonard     Yes
16:36 cait         oleonard: around?
16:34 reiveune     bye
16:31 cait         paul_p++ :)
16:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7441 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , search results showing wrong branch?
16:30 paul_p       cait QAing bug 7441 (cc khall )
16:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8979 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , "News" does not work with CCSR
16:25 paul_p       cait QAing bug 8979
16:25 drojf        oh my
16:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
16:20 tcohen       donde rebasing bug 7440
16:10 cait         paul_p: still working on report hierarchies - very nice feature
16:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
16:10 paul_p       cait QAing bug 9341 now
16:01 jcamins      :(
16:01 tcohen       i think i need to redo the patch for 7440 jcamins
15:57 cait         jajm++
15:52 cait         jajm: could you also fix another small thing? single quotes in javascript string
15:52 oleonard     Ugh, a wild UTF-8utf-8 appears...
15:52 cait         jajm: oh
15:51 cait         jajm: thx - continuing testing :)
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Reports hierarchies management improvements
15:49 jajm         cait: i'm writing a follow-up for bug 9117, will be available soon
15:44 tcohen       i hate you :-P
15:39 jcamins      I was going to do 7430 and then 7440, but when 7430 didn't work out I couldn't bring myself to do 7440, so now you get to look at it.
15:39 jcamins      No, I did get it right.
15:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED WONTFIX, ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
15:39 jcamins      bug 7430
15:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7340 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced enhancement
15:39 jcamins      bug 7340
15:39 jcamins      Wait...
15:38 jcamins      I was going to do 7440 after 7430 got in, but when 7430 became an albatross I decided to just leave it.
15:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
15:38 magnuse      bug 7440
15:38 jcamins      tcohen: I gave up on 7430.
15:31 tcohen       rebasing but 7440 is no fun at all
15:30 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Revert "Merge branch 'bug_9025' into 3.12-master"
15:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1083: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1083/
15:28 oleonard     Don't forget the finely-aged patches!
15:25 matts        C'mon people ! I've got small patches, big patches, all freshly rebased and waiting for you !
15:25 jcamins      Hehe.
15:24 matts        Not for the moment, but I have hope !
15:24 jcamins      matts: does that work?
15:24 matts        otherwise i'll pout !
15:22 * matts      will smile for sign-offs (and qa's too) ! :)
15:14 tcohen       there were still wrong references to the old-not-deleted one
15:14 tcohen       its actually a trivial fix, both files are almost identical
15:14 oleonard     Thanks
15:13 tcohen       done
15:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9731 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Remove changelanguage.pl in favor of (already present) opac-changelanguage.pl
15:08 oleonard     tcohen: Can you please add a test plan to your patch for Bug 9731?
14:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9727 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Typo in code causes compilation failure with Solr enabled
14:57 dpavlin      Joubu: I just signed off bug 9727 -- I have same fix :-)
14:50 clrh         \o/
14:49 wahanui      Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
14:49 magnuse      germs?
14:49 wahanui      germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
14:49 magnuse      germs?
14:49 wahanui      i guess germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
14:49 magnuse      germs?
14:48 cait         Joubu: I talked to dpavlin - will look at 9117 now - but this next
14:45 cait         maybe I can use dpavlin's setup :)
14:45 cait         Joubu: hm I don't have solr
14:45 cait         bug 9727
14:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6739 major, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Patch doesn't apply , expired patrons not blocked from opac actions
14:44 jajm         khall: bug 6739 doesn't apply on master, could you rebase it please?
14:44 Joubu        cc cait: Bug 9727 wait for qa. It is a really easy patch ;)
14:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9727 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Typo in code causes compilation failure with Solr enabled
14:43 Joubu        dpavlin: patch already exists: bug 9727. It is waiting qa
14:39 clrh         http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=tree;f=C4/RPN2Solr;h=e431911f8fb1038079b9fa5704ff1a07a300947b;hb=dev/solr dpavlin
14:37 clrh         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr_deployment#Install_perl_libs dpavlin it works for me know!
14:37 cait         *hint*
14:37 cait         hope you get sign-offs on those :)
14:37 cait         oleonard++ :)
14:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9103 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , overdue_notices.pl should use AutoEmailPrimaryAddress syspref
14:37 cait         bug 9103
14:37 cait         but 9103 passed qa
14:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #1083 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
14:23 oleonard     But I have a patch ready to "isolate" that page by calling YUI dependencies directly and remove them from the global header
14:22 oleonard     And then there's the basketgroups drag and drop JS which I'm scared to look at :(
14:20 oleonard     Odds and ends left.
14:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI AJAX calls in cataloging plugins with jQuery
14:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9769 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI buttons on acquisitions basket page with Bootstrap
14:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin
14:20 oleonard     Bug 8278, Bug 9769, Bug 9773
14:20 oleonard     Actually the menus may all be done.
14:19 oleonard     almost!
14:18 cait         oleonard: is yui menu dead yet? :)
14:17 cait         guess it will take all night to read all the bug mails produced today :)
14:16 cait         jajm: thanks :) htat's next in row now
14:16 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Merge branch 'bug_9025' into 3.12-master" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=300b1276d6294972fa7a94ac529a653342644ca2>
14:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Reports hierarchies management improvements
14:14 jajm         cait: bug 9117 freshly rebased :)
14:14 cait         :,(
14:08 jcamins      Reverted.
14:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9103 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , overdue_notices.pl should use AutoEmailPrimaryAddress syspref
14:08 cait         i am on bug 9103 right now
14:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9780 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Signed Off , Deleting a record suppress bibliographic info in orders using that record
14:08 cait         bug 9780
14:08 paul_p       cait = QAing but 9780
14:07 paul_p       i've nothing against it (except it's fancy icons, shame they've this licence...)
14:07 jcamins      I will revert.
14:07 jcamins      Thanks.
14:06 paul_p       jcamins = yes, I confirm, it's clearly cc-nc-sa, which is not GPL compatible
14:05 jcamins      paul_p: could you (or someone else who speaks French) please confirm the license on the sudoc icons?
14:00 oleonard     Anyone have anything they'd like me to look at?
13:59 jcamins      Which I think means that Microsoft can patent things that Apple did in the 80s and vice versa.
13:59 jcamins      oleonard: apparently the US now has a first-to-file system instead of first-to-invent.
13:58 magnuse      um, is that good news? it's so stupid it might just implode
13:58 oleonard     Oh gawd what now
13:58 jcamins      Apparently while we were all doing useful things, patent law in the United States became *even* *stupider*.
13:58 magnuse      what?
13:58 magnuse      yay!
13:57 jcamins      Good news, everyone!
13:55 christophe_c ;-)
13:54 bag          christophe_c++
13:54 magnuse      ok bag++ then :-)
13:53 christophe_c magnuse: the ++ for bag in fact ;-)
13:53 magnuse      christophe_c++
13:51 christophe_c ok bag I take it
13:51 huginn       04Bug 9835: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Brackets missing for branches for patron attribute types
13:51 bag          christophe_c: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9835
13:50 christophe_c ok thx bag
13:48 bag          christophe_c: admin/patron-attr-types.pl  line 300 needs { }
13:41 clrh         errorSS
13:41 clrh         dpavlin: I got error with moose dependencies :'(
13:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , New patron permissions
13:38 cait         bug 7673
13:38 cait         matts: ok :)
13:38 matts        cait, khall, I've answered to your concerns about BZ 7673, if you may want to have a look at it again... :)
13:37 oleonard     Integration with this service: http://www.goodreads.com/
13:36 frido_s      does someone know what means "good reads" at OPAC ?
13:34 jcamins      Thanks.
13:34 paul_p       jcamins just called khall that is in front of me ;-)
13:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Patch doesn't apply , Show more information on basketgroups lists
13:33 frido_s      bug 9806 needs to be splitted in feature and cosmetic changes (sometimes folding) . I've added a comment
13:32 jcamins      khall: around?
13:29 reiveune     paul_p: can you confirm me the english availability of this explain please : list of fields that will not be imported : can be either 001 to 999 or field, subfield and subfield's matching value as such 200avalue
13:28 bag          whoops… merci
13:28 bag          thank you!
13:27 clrh         https://trello.com/board/community-biblibre-koha-devs/4f1d247284210f0e6300d7d7 the board I show you bag
13:27 bag          brendan = bag
13:27 bag          bag
13:27 clrh         what is brendan nickname ?
13:27 Herwig       Hey Koha ive been doing library work the last week and i noticed in aquisitions that i sometimes get more then 1 discription in my catalog from 1 item in the aquisitions - add basket - add order follow up ... do i do something wrong ?
13:15 cait         hm git bz is very slow for me too
13:14 tcohen       thanks oleonard !!
13:14 tcohen       OMGH
13:13 oleonard     tcohen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxQtTp4V32E
13:08 tcohen       its our isp, was hearing mgmt's kids @ grooveshark and stopped too
13:04 cait         bag++
13:02 jcamins      Works for me.
13:01 tcohen       is bz down or its our isp?
12:57 clrh         I wil ask him tomorrow ^^
12:57 clrh         ooki
12:57 clrh         ;)
12:56 cait         clrh: I think noone thought of it and now rangi is asleep
12:56 clrh         it would have been interresting to reinitialize it when hf starts
12:55 cait1        hm
12:55 * cait1      nick ciat
12:55 cait1        http://dashboard.koha-community.org
12:55 oleonard     Based on the bugzilla activity cait1
12:55 cait1        clrh: but everyone should show up on the dashboard
12:55 cait1        clrh: I think rangi is keeping it as it was
12:54 cait1        oleonard: why did he not?
12:54 clrh         (has been)
12:54 clrh         rangi: hello, when does this board reinitialized ? http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/
12:50 jcamins      I'll take a look.
12:50 oleonard     jcamins hasn't slept since Thursday evening
12:50 jcamins      Yeah, just pondering the unit test for 7804.
12:49 cait1        I was about to answer the mail on the mailing list about a query parser problem, but then ralized you might be here already
12:49 cait1        jcamins: already awake? :)
12:43 oleonard     First thunderstorm of spring happening here at the moment
12:41 cait1        hm or it was a bit earlier
12:41 cait1        it didn't look like it at first but now it's sunny outside
12:40 oleonard     Looks like you'll have good weather this week?
12:40 cait1        there also was cake - yum.
12:40 * cait1      waves at oleonard
12:38 bag          hotel moderna
12:38 oleonard     where are you staying?
12:38 bag          yup no problems
12:38 oleonard     Hey bag, flight go okay?
12:37 bag          looking forward to more good cheese!
12:37 bag          great cheese to finsh up lunch!!!
12:29 jcamins      Search engine would be much more appropriate.
12:28 clrh         Maybe the name "search engine" would be more appropriate (I thought you created it ;)
12:28 clrh         ^^
12:27 jcamins      clrh: interesting! I didn't know about that category.
12:27 clrh         jcamins: actually I found this category: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Record_Indexing_and_Retrieval seems to be the closest
12:24 oleonard     Ahoy Hackfesters
11:44 jcamins      clrh: no.
11:28 Viktor       No - Might prepare a few custom boxes and hide them somewhere in a local add on. Thanks drojf
11:27 drojf        you would put the jquery in the local js syspref, there is nothing to handle in everyday use
11:27 Viktor       I guess I could just insert a search box pointing to "cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/issuehistory.pl?biblionumber=input form form"
11:26 Viktor       Question is if I can build it easy enough for the average librarian to use in everyday use on a whim.
11:26 drojf        Viktor: do you know http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library ? that might give you some ideas
11:25 Viktor       Thanks drojf!
11:24 drojf        Viktor: if i understand you correctly that should be doable with jquery (change default tab, default menu item)
11:23 Viktor       That would be highly usable :)
11:23 clrh         dpavlin: actually, it it old doc but with wrong title in wiki, I am adjusting the "perl lib install" now
11:23 Viktor       Does anyone know if there is a way to lock Koha to always handle input the same way? For example "Always search for barcode and open the checkout history-tab".
11:22 bag          signoff on bz 7883
11:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
11:22 cait1        bug 3087
11:22 bag          alex_a++
11:21 cait1        hi Viktor :)
11:21 Viktor       Hi!
11:20 reiveune     ha, ok :)
11:20 dpavlin      clrh++ I allready started reading and following it :-)
11:19 matts        reiveune++
11:19 alex_a       sed command :)
11:19 clrh         dpavlin: works for me http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr_deployment#Setup_Solr
11:19 alex_a       reiveune: bz 3087
11:19 reiveune     ??
11:19 alex_a       reiveune++
11:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7933 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Fields in marc display not the same
11:15 frido_s      Rebased Bug 7933, needs QA
10:38 liw          rangi, if you take all my Debian advice seriously, I will have to start thinking about what I say
10:30 brendan_     hello
10:26 frido_s      rangi: ok, thanks
10:25 cait1        oh good
10:18 rangi        have a good day
10:18 rangi        right time to sleep
10:16 rangi        yep, thats the alpha release
10:16 cait         should koha update to 100?
10:16 rangi        as far as i can tell, removing empty parameters is just dangerous, and not ever useful
10:12 rangi        i think probably remove it and the condition later, commented for now is fine
10:11 frido_s      rangi: do you think we can remove it instead of comment ?
10:11 frido_s      RewriteRule (.+) $1?%1%2 [N,R,NE]
10:10 magnuse      rangi: tee hee ;-)
10:09 frido_s      rangi: super cool
10:08 rangi        i signed off
10:08 huginn       04Bug 9683: normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Allow disable rewrite apache mod
10:08 rangi        frido_s: yep  http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9683#c5
10:07 frido_s      rangi: hie, you were looking for me ?
10:05 frido_s      hie all, Fridolyn SOMERS
10:04 clrh         \lo/
10:04 clrh         something exists yet: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Record_Indexing_and_Retrieval
09:58 * cait       waves at gaetan_B :)
09:58 gaetan_B     hello
09:57 * rangi      signs off
09:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9683 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Allow disable rewrite apache mod
09:57 rangi        fridolyn++ #for giving me the chance to write that comment on bug 9683
09:56 cait         do yo uwant me to point him to irc?
09:56 cait         he is
09:52 rangi        is fridolyn around?
09:51 slef         cait: lots of tulips and other flowers are grown in South Holland, 10 miles from me.
09:51 slef         cait: s/flowers/creative works/ - I used it as a metaphor years ago.
09:50 cait         flowers?
09:50 drojf        anyhow, having looked at the abes site i don't think this license makes much sense in this case
09:49 drojf        slef: i don't see how that reduces the demand of »commercial flowers«. it obvioulsy does not, hence the problem now :P
09:44 cait         reiveune: commit message would be better I think :)
09:44 reiveune     cait: for 5635, the little explain can be in a comment or do you want it on commit message ?
09:43 slef         drojf: I think I called it the Municipal Flowerbed of licensing: it looks good at first glance but costs us all money, is often a waste of productive land and reduces the demand for commercial flowers.
09:42 cait         I am using that mostly
09:42 cait         i think there was a unimarc db on the sandbox repo
09:42 rangi        but i dont have good test data, ill leave that to someone who has more unimarc data to test
09:41 drojf        slef: i don't think NC is useable as a business model. i would use that for fun/ hobby projects that i somehow think are useful for others. i don't know, blogging or painting stuff, but things that i do not plan to commercialize, but that "are there" and i agree others should be able to use if they like. i don't know what the icon people in our case do
09:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9352 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Zebra indexes useless subfields in UNIMARC 7XX
09:41 * rangi      was going to try signing off on bug 9352
09:38 slef         drojf: a truly evil corporation will take the -NC work, distribute it massively for free, thereby destroying most of the market for the creator to make money from selling it themselves.
09:37 slef         drojf: NC is non-commercial, not non-corporation. Tons of people use it as an attack on evil corporations, but it leaves them totally unprotected against them.
09:37 clrh         ("far in my mind")
09:37 rangi        paul_p: it's a shame, they are nice icons
09:36 clrh         cait: where can I read or see things about this ?
09:36 clrh         cait: nop
09:36 cait         clrh: did you see the query parser yet ? it went in yesterday
09:36 rangi        i think dual license, or change the license is the only thing we could do
09:36 cait         clrh: I think a bit too early for jared - maybe around lunch time he will show up
09:35 rangi        yah
09:35 paul_p       agreed with rangi. The licence is clearly stated, I don't see what I should/could ask to ABES (except "change your licence" or "bi-licence", which will not be successfull and/or quick)
09:35 rangi        i'm sorry I didn't spot that before it was pushed
09:35 clrh         jcamins: hello I am trying to enhance search engine documentation on the wiki and there is a lot of things, do you have a clear overview ? is there an "entry point" ?
09:34 rangi        they need to be under a FOSS compatible license
09:34 rangi        its that simple
09:34 rangi        cait/paul_p: we cant include the files licensed under cc-by-sa-nc
09:33 drojf        true
09:33 rangi        drojf: NC doesn't do what it seeks to do
09:32 drojf        i think NC is not a blight. if you don't want your stuff to be used by evil corporations, with CC you don't have another choice than to use it and grant extra permissions to eg. FOSS projects, as far as i can see. a NC flavour as »non-closed« would be nice to have -> »free to use with GPL« or something
09:32 cait         maybe you can state the problem here better than I can?
09:32 cait         rangi, slef: I talked to paul_p about the icons
09:32 cait         hi claire :)
09:31 wahanui      hello, clrh
09:31 clrh         hello
09:30 slef         magnuse: not heard back about ours yet, but thanks for your help.
09:27 magnuse      slef: my DUE messages are being sent out with title and author now
09:27 rangi        yeah, its like 'as such' it's a field day for lawyers
09:27 slef         rangi: yeah. It's also confused or at least confuses licensors. Have you read any Rob Myers diatribes against it?
09:25 rangi        -nc is a blight
09:25 rangi        so we would have to get them under a different license or remove them
09:25 rangi        yep
09:24 slef         rangi: -nc? Which isn't FOSS-compatible :-/
09:23 rangi        that one
09:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9025 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add new icons for item types
09:23 rangi        bug 9025
09:23 wahanui      sophie_m is looking for a .mrc file to import into the catalog
09:23 rangi        sophie_m
09:22 cait         I will figure out
09:22 cait         but it's ok
09:22 cait         wanted to know which one :)
09:22 rangi        biblibre iirc
09:22 rangi        it would be a shame to have to remove them again, but we are breaking the license if we distribute them
09:22 cait         who was the original patch from?
09:22 cait         I think they are trying to get the librarian group into #koha right now :)
09:21 rangi        thank you
09:21 cait         I will point someone to it
09:21 rangi        could someone who speaks french ask the license holder if they could offer it under a license we could use .. or we will have to remove them before release
09:20 drojf        the rest of you too, of course
09:20 rangi        which isn't gpl3 compatible
09:19 drojf        dpavlin: cool, have fun
09:19 rangi        they are licensed cc-by-sa-nc
09:19 rangi        http://www.abes.fr/Sudoc/Boite-a-outils-Sudoc-public/Les-icones-Sudoc
09:19 dpavlin      drojf: yap
09:19 rangi        i think we have a problem with the sudoc icons in master
09:19 rangi        oh, something to mention for the hackfest
09:16 drojf        dpavlin: you are there?
09:14 dpavlin      Marseille hackfest introduction is in progress...
09:14 cait         morning slef
09:14 cait         ts
09:10 drojf        nice. squash some for me please. got university madness to deal with :(
09:09 slef         morning
09:09 cait         welcome to hackfest bug sqashing madness :)
09:09 cait         good morning drojf
09:08 drojf        good morning #koha
09:01 cait         ready to do some qa? :)
09:01 cait         hi Joubu :)
09:01 Joubu        hi #koha!
08:54 huginn       alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (9:30 AM CET on March 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising).
08:54 alex_a       @wunder mrs
08:54 alex_a       hello !
08:49 tanzeem      :(
08:48 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (9:30 AM CET on March 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising).
08:48 magnuse      @wunder marseille
08:48 tanzeem      anybody konws a solution to my problem posted earlier?
08:47 tanzeem      hi
08:45 magnuse      kia ora rangi
08:40 christophe_c hi rangi
08:40 jajm         hi rangi
08:39 bag          heya rangi
08:39 francharb    hi rangi
08:39 rangi        hi francharb, jajm, christophe_c, bag, asaurat, khall and magnuse
08:36 * magnuse    waves from marseille
08:35 khall        mornin all!
08:35 asaurat      hi!
08:34 bag          good morning
08:33 christophe_c hello koha
08:29 wahanui      que tal, jajm
08:29 jajm         hello
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08:21 francharb    hello #all
08:08 rangi        hi matts, lds and reiveune
08:08 matts        hi !
07:41 reiveune     hello
07:32 tanzeem      I had a requirement on using search and print the results in one go. Currently i can get search results and add it to a custom list page by page only and get the list printed at last. Is there any way to get all the search result get printed at one button click? Or do i need to edit the code for this to add new functionality to print all the results on one bu
07:17 kohanewbie   guess not
07:15 kohanewbie   anybody awake?
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06:49 tanzeem      i had a douobt anyone to help
06:49 tanzeem      gud morning all
06:49 tanzeem      hey
06:30 cait         oh
06:30 cait         heya dcook
06:30 dcook        Gotta jet, but hope you have a good morning ^_^
06:30 dcook        *waves to cait*
05:07 tanzeem      di i need to edit the code
05:01 tanzeem      Is there any way to get all the search result get printed at one button click?
04:59 tanzeem      and get the list printed at last
04:59 tanzeem      currently i can get search results and add it to a custom list page by page only
04:59 tanzeem      the results in one go
04:59 tanzeem      i had a requirement on using search and print
04:58 tanzeem      dudes
04:58 tanzeem      hi gud day
04:23 cjh          actually really good.
04:22 cjh          heh awesome
04:06 wahanui      OK, eythian.
04:06 eythian      wahanui: elbereth is <reply>huginn turns to flee!
04:00 eythian      http://www.partiallyclips.com/filk/nethack/RobBalderDotCom_NetHack.mp3 <-- cjh, wizzyrea, probably others here.
03:46 cjh          o/*\o
03:44 druthb       o/
02:19 eythian      http://neil.fraser.name/news/2013/03/16/ <-- teaching of CS in Vietnam.
02:18 dcook        Tough to make something that considers the rules when cataloguers/cataloguing agencies don't follow them consistently
02:17 dcook        But I haven't done a ton with parallel titles
02:17 * dcook      thinks the rock mechanics example looks funny
02:10 wizzyrea     at least not wholly :P
02:10 wizzyrea     hey I wasn't wrong!
02:09 * eythian    will be spending the next few days staring at MARC, mostly in horror I think.
02:09 eythian      OK. I think this means I don't have to edit my parser all that much, too :)
02:09 * jcamins    shrugs, goes back to working on non-MARC things.
02:08 jcamins      Go with that, then.
02:08 eythian      it is very confusing
02:08 eythian      245 	10$aRock mechanics :$bjournal of the International Society for Rock Mechanics = Felsmechanik.
02:08 jcamins      I can't say whether that's actually "correct," because 245 coding is the most backward part of library cataloging I've yet encountered.
02:08 eythian      jcamins: the loc examples don't
02:07 jcamins      eythian: I can tell you the records I've seen have always started a new field after =, either $b or $c.
02:07 eythian      up to a / that is
02:07 jcamins      If there's a statement of responsibility, that goes in the middle.
02:07 eythian      but $b is "remainder of title", including all the other things.
02:06 jcamins      $c is statement of responsibility "etc."
02:06 jcamins      The rules don't make sense, but there you go.
02:05 jcamins      It is a translated title.
02:05 jcamins      I'm sure.
02:05 jcamins      Yes.
02:05 jcamins      You will *also* need a 246 31 $aNga ropu...$bhe whakamohio
02:05 eythian      there's no '/' in the data, and that's what LOC says is needed.
02:05 wizzyrea     it's like a translated title
02:05 wizzyrea     I agree with eythian here
02:05 eythian      jcamins: are you sure, I don't think that's a statement of responsibility
02:04 jcamins      $aContacts... $ba directory... $cNga ropu...
02:04 jcamins      Ah.
02:04 wahanui      somebody said the question was "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
02:04 jcamins      What's the question?
02:04 wizzyrea     ah there you go
02:04 jcamins      eythian: yep.
02:04 eythian      I was going wrong thinking it was subtitle
02:04 eythian      "Data includes parallel titles, titles subsequent to the first (in items lacking a collective title), and other title information. "
02:03 MrAgent075   wizzyrea: so we scrapping idea? [ http://www.pilcrowsquared.com/corey/photos/test.png ]
02:03 eythian      $b is "remainder of title"
02:03 eythian      $b is not subtitle
02:03 eythian      the docs do say
02:03 eythian      ahhh
02:03 wizzyrea     thought I'd try tho
02:03 wizzyrea     hm not sure.
02:02 eythian      I think the '=' converts the subtitle field into the parallel title field from that point on, roughly
02:02 wizzyrea     hm
02:02 eythian      (from the loc.gov docs)
02:02 wizzyrea     maybe a 246?
02:01 eythian      245 	03$aLe Bureau$h[filmstrip] =$bLa Oficina = Das Büro.
02:01 wizzyrea     I don't feel like that's a subtitle
02:01 eythian      I thought so to, but the examples don't seem to reflect that
02:01 wizzyrea     I think there's a marc field for that kind of thing
02:01 eythian      Looking at the MARC21 specs, I think it should end up being 245$a="Contacts for consultation :", 245$b="a directory of Maori organisations = Nga ropu kai korero a iwi : he whakamohio"
02:01 wizzyrea     basically it's a translated title?
02:00 eythian      How would: "Contacts for consultation : a directory of Maori organisations = Nga ropu kai korero a iwi : he whakamohio" be converted into the 245 field?
01:59 wizzyrea     what was your question?
01:59 eythian      guess not. I'll just make up the answer then.
01:57 eythian      jcamins: y'bout? I have a cataloguing question for you.
01:54 wizzyrea     come here for a sec
01:53 wizzyrea     with the keyboard
01:53 wizzyrea     the buttons work pretty sanely
01:53 wizzyrea     and their example page,
01:53 wizzyrea     because I found another ticket, in the rabbit warren den of bugs related to bootstrap + accessibility, that was closed yesterday
01:52 wizzyrea     yea, I wouldn't get hung up on it really
01:52 MrAgent075   or defining rules...
01:52 MrAgent075   On that page, I believe they're just adding more rules... Seems strange, when it just works...
01:51 wizzyrea     yep, i'm not sure what they're on about - their issue tracking is confusing at best.
01:51 MrAgent075   Yet we didn't see any problems that are described...
01:51 MrAgent075   wizzyrea: the issue on [ https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/issues/684 ] seems to be a year old...
01:50 wizzyrea     ]
01:50 wizzyrea     owen's patch is on your original bug I think
01:50 wizzyrea     or included everything and did css overrides
01:49 wizzyrea     naw, owen built his own package
01:49 MrAgent075   wizzyrea: I don't think it has to do with those variables that we selected from the 'Customizing' page.... is it?
01:49 wizzyrea     because their examples seem to work sanely with tabs and arrows
01:49 wizzyrea     right - like perhaps we don't have the most current one, and we need to upgrade it
01:48 MrAgent075   Different Version of Bootstrap?
01:47 wizzyrea     so maybe it's a different version of bootstrap?
01:47 wizzyrea     MrAgent075: it looks to me like the buttons here http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/components.html#buttonDropdowns work the way we might expect
01:39 wizzyrea     https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/issues/3532 and this
01:38 wizzyrea     also this
01:38 wizzyrea     https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/issues/931
01:38 wizzyrea     MrAgent075: https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/issues/684 looks it's a known issue
01:37 cjh          heh
01:37 wahanui      cait abducted me.
01:37 cjh          MrAgent075: welcome back
01:37 MrAgent075   Hello World! :)
00:59 jcamins      Much better.
00:59 wizzyrea     fixing them is better though.
00:59 jcamins      True.
00:59 cjh          knowing about the bugs is still better than not :)
00:59 jcamins      If you just report them and no one pays any attention it won't make a difference. :P
00:58 jcamins      if people fix some of the bugs they find, anyway.
00:58 jcamins      Well-
00:58 jcamins      The more testing there is of the alpha, the better 3.12 will be!
00:55 jcamins      Ah.
00:55 wizzyrea     eff yea
00:55 jcamins      For items?
00:55 wizzyrea     that is made of win.
00:55 wizzyrea     i am really fantastically impressed by the filters and sorting on the intranet detail
00:14 jcamins      Thanks.
00:13 bgkriegel    then it's ok
00:12 jcamins      bgkriegel: yup.
00:11 bgkriegel    the gap between 030 and then 100 is correct?
00:11 jcamins      I just have to figure out how to do it.
00:11 jcamins      eythian: yeah, I was thinking of doing that. :)
00:11 eythian      a test case that parses out the updates and checks their order?
00:10 jcamins      I need to figure out a way to prevent git auto-merging the updates in the wrong order.
00:10 jcamins      eythian: thanks.
00:10 eythian      jcamins: my copy of master looks correct
00:07 bgkriegel    ok
00:07 jcamins      With 3.11.00.030 appearing after 3.11.00.029.
00:07 jcamins      bgkriegel: just check if the updates appear in order.
00:07 bgkriegel    what kind of check?
00:07 jcamins      Twelve hours ago.
00:07 jcamins      They weren't, so I corrected them.
00:06 jcamins      Would someone else like to check master, because as far as I can tell the updates are in order.