IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-15

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00:00 dcook Very awesome
00:00 rangi i watched the final at 3am in a pub in vancouver
00:00 dcook Nice one!
00:00 dcook Which pub?
00:00 rangi staggered back to the hotel
00:00 rangi checked out
00:00 wahanui i think checked out is set to 0000-00-00.
00:00 cjh rangi: dedication.
00:00 rangi and got a train to the airport
00:00 rangi and flew home
00:00 rangi still slightly drunk and with no sleep :)
00:00 dcook hehe
00:00 rangi i crashed pretty fast on that flight
00:01 dcook Did you do the direct or the LA/SF stop over?
00:01 rangi direct to auckland
00:01 dcook Well "direct"
00:01 dcook Oh? Nice
00:01 rangi then from there to wellington
00:01 rangi there were about 8 of us on the plane wearing rugby jerseys
00:01 rangi i forget the name of the pub, something rugby related
00:02 drojf lol
00:02 rangi i watched the 3rd and 4th place play off with amy buckland after the karaoke evening
00:03 rangi it was a stupidly tense game
00:03 rangi the final
00:04 dcook Cheers for staying awake
00:04 dcook I tried to go to one of the play off games with an Irish friend of mine, but the tvs weren't working at the pub he wound up at and we were out in the boonies at that stage :/
00:05 rangi dcook:
00:05 rangi watch the final few mins here, through the eyes of the fans
00:05 rangi it sums it up
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00:09 dcook Oh snap. That's an awesome clip, rangi
00:10 rangi yeah just put together by an amateur film maker it really captured the moment
00:10 dcook He did a good job in making it look pretty professional overall. Definitely conveyed a lot of emotion :)
00:10 rangi yep
00:14 drojf is there just one known koha library in russia?
00:14 rangi the other cool amateur one i remember is this one[…]n-life-of-its-own
00:15 rangi hmm afaik yes drojf
00:16 drojf hm. i dont know why i find that strange, but i do
00:17 rangi im sure there are more
00:18 drojf translation 35%
00:18 dcook I think the Canada stats are off too, but it's due to that whole self-reporting thing
00:19 rangi yep
00:20 dcook I know Evergreen is really big in British Columbia, but I think the rest of the country would really profit from Koha, especially in the prairies.
00:20 dcook And that Atlantic provinces
00:20 dcook And the sub-Arctic territories, although their internet connection is pretty spotty...
00:20 dcook Could still work on a LAN though
00:20 dcook If libraries were setting it up for themselves and just using it in house
00:20 drojf do local wifi
00:21 dcook They have dial up still
00:21 rangi i suspect snow messes with up pretty bad
00:21 dcook Especially the further you get from the "bigger" cities
00:21 rangi wifi even
00:21 rangi i know going over water does
00:22 drojf "found 13 items where the country is  Russia" ok. i doubt there are 13 libraries in russia, so there is probably more koha too ;)
00:22 dcook Hmm. I don't know if I've ever experienced that
00:23 rangi when i was at citylink we were playing with wifi across the harbour
00:24 drojf and that does not work?
00:24 rangi it does but the distance you can go is shorter than across land
00:24 drojf interesting
00:24 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:24 rangi at the same power
00:27 jcamins_away Firefox says that client-side XSLT isn't safe.
00:28 jcamins_away WTF is the point of having that feature if you're not supposed to use it?
00:31 * dcook wonders the same thing about Javascript and accessibility guidelines on occasion
00:31 dcook Err usability guidelines
00:31 dcook Accessibility guidelines are good :)
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01:33 cjh yay netsplits.
01:33 wizzyrea graciousl
01:58 mtj yay friday! ->[…]-flatulence-is-ok
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02:18 druthb o/
02:19 cjh \o
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02:26 druthb workin' on string freezes now! :)  :D
02:43 mtj im building some deb packages :p
02:45 mtj fingers crossed….
02:45 rangi thanks druthb
02:46 druthb now that I've learned *how*, it's gotten easier.
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02:46 mtj yes, and thanks druthb++ :)
02:46 druthb :)
02:54 druthb translators++   Those are the people who really make stuff happen; I'm just the server-ops wench.
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04:53 * druthb dances around happily.  Pootle is all updated for string freeze. :)
04:55 dcook druthb++
04:55 druthb :)  thanx.
05:11 dcook np :)
05:48 dcook Hmmm, 14 minutes left in the working day
05:48 dcook I'm sure that's enough time to sign off some patch...
05:48 * dcook looks to see what Owen has been up to
06:07 dcook Hmm...
06:10 dcook Trying to test bug 8079 but can't get fines to generate...
06:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , opac not showing fines - says 'no'
06:11 dcook Mmm, bad sys pref perhaps
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06:11 dcook Well...not bad
06:11 dcook hola cait
06:11 cait hi dcook :)
06:16 dcook how goes it, cait?
06:16 cait the day just started, we will see :)
06:16 dcook Hehe. Time differences are fun
06:17 dcook 5:14pm Friday here
06:17 dcook I think...
06:17 dcook Yes, definitely Friday, lol
06:17 cait lol
06:17 cait so why are you not off for the weekend? ;)
06:17 cait it's 7:15 am here -so I stil have to go to work :)
06:21 dcook I forgot that you're an early riser. I don't know how you do it :p
06:21 dcook As for me, I said that I would sign off at least one patch today, so I'm about to do just that
06:21 cait :)
06:21 dcook Plus, laundry and dishes await me at home. Well, and beer along the way...but that's not much of a chore
06:21 cait an awesome goal :)
06:21 dcook I'm trying :)
06:25 * druthb waves to her beste freundin
06:52 dcook There we go, khall_away :). Bug 8079
06:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , opac not showing fines - says 'no'
06:52 dcook Not a big one, but one nonetheless
07:12 cait :)
07:12 cait dcook++
07:17 dcook Thanks, cait :)
07:17 * dcook is determined to make a conscious effort to step up the signing off
07:18 dcook bgkriegel++
07:18 dcook He's been a machine lately. Every time I go to do a sign off, he's already gotten there! ;)
07:19 cait yeah :)
07:19 cait glad we have the 2 of you
07:19 cait :)
07:19 cait and others of course
07:20 dcook Personally, I'm trying to recruit more of my former classmates
07:20 dcook And existing members of SLAIS (the library school in Vancouver)
07:20 dcook There are a lot of people keen to get more involved in library technology, but they're just not sure where to start
07:22 cait :)
07:22 cait that's quite cool
07:31 alex_a_ bonjour tout le monde
07:34 dcook bonjour, alex_a-
07:34 dcook alex_a_
07:34 dcook Ca va?
07:35 alex_a dcook: ca va merci :)
07:36 dcook :)
07:38 dcook Everyone arrives just as I'm about to leave :p. Darned southern hemisphere..
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07:44 dcook hey wizzyrea
07:44 wahanui wizzyrea is, like, a Cylon, and they all have plans
07:44 dcook And spines that glow but only for the first season or two...
07:44 * magnuse waves
07:47 * cait waves
07:47 cait bbl :)
07:47 dcook Ta, cait :)
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07:49 reiveune hello
07:50 dcook allo, reiveune
07:50 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:50 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:50 magnuse @wunder boo
07:50 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:50 magnuse @wunder konstanz
07:50 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.6°C (8:45 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
07:51 magnuse i loose
07:51 reiveune lol
07:51 magnuse :-)
07:51 reiveune hi dcook, magnuse :)
07:53 magnuse bonjour reiveune, dcook
07:55 dcook bonjour, magnuse :)
07:55 dcook How do you say hello in Norwegian?
07:55 dcook Interested parties want to know :p
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07:59 magnuse kia ora jransom
07:59 magnuse dcook: "hei" is the simplest form
07:59 magnuse "god dag" is another
07:59 dcook Equivalent of hi/hey and good day?
07:59 magnuse hm, i guess "hei" would be the equivalent of hello
08:00 magnuse god dag = good day
08:00 jransom hi Magnus
08:00 jransom hi all
08:01 magnuse @wunder levin, nz
08:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 19.1°C (8:58 PM NZDT on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:01 magnuse sounds nice!
08:01 dcook hi jransom
08:01 dcook @wunder syndey, australia
08:01 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found.
08:01 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
08:01 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 24.0°C (6:30 PM EST on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
08:02 dcook Cold beer time...
08:02 magnuse hehe
08:02 magnuse what's the time in sydney?
08:02 magnuse i think it's 9pm in levin
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08:03 magnuse jransom: so will you get yourself over to kapiti this summer?
08:03 jransom probably not
08:03 jransom it is glorious weather - been a great summer
08:03 dcook 7pm. I really need to leave work..
08:03 jransom 9pm here
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08:04 jransom had a bbq for tea tonight
08:04 jransom dcook: do you work with Calyx?
08:04 dcook Nope. Prosentient Systems.
08:04 jransom ah - well there you go
08:04 dcook O_o
08:04 jransom I saw Sydney - thought Calyx
08:05 jransom i met somene from prosentinet somewhere - kohacon NZ maybe
08:05 jransom probably actually ...
08:05 dcook Hmm, maybe. Probably.
08:05 dcook I only arrived in January 2012
08:05 jransom clearly wasnt you then :)
08:05 dcook Nope :)
08:05 jransom oh cool - well welcome to Koha
08:06 dcook Thanks. I've enjoyed the past year here. Hope to make it many more
08:06 dcook Going to Reno?
08:06 magnuse yay!
08:06 jransom No - I wont be. I am planning to send my new Tech services chickie JD (Joanne Dillon)
08:07 dcook Hopefully I'll be the one being sent as well
08:07 jransom she is working on Koha and while I'm not happy about missing out - in all conscience I have to send JD. Would be much more useful to Koha than having me there.
08:08 dcook I think that's the plan here as well
08:08 * magnuse hopes to make it to reno but will miss seeing jransom there
08:08 dcook Which organization are you with, jransom?
08:08 jransom i will try and get to the one after
08:08 jransom Horowhenua library trust
08:09 magnuse dcook: jransom is the boss at the library that started koha :-)
08:09 jransom i just talk and schmooze - JD actually does work on Koha :)
08:09 dcook hehehe
08:09 dcook I imagine that I knew that at one point
08:09 dcook Well, thank you for starting it!
08:10 jransom You are welcome :)
08:10 dcook It must be amazing to see how it's turned out, or rather how it is turning out
08:10 jransom (basking in glory becuase Chris and Paul and Rosalie and Racgel and about a billion other people aren't here to claim credit)
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08:11 jransom It is amazing to see Koha
08:11 jransom loved loved loved KohaCon in Mumabi
08:12 jransom seeing Koha so strong around the world is an amzing thing
08:12 dcook I've heard that Koha is pretty strong in India. I'm originally from Canada, so I'm trying to stir up interest back home
08:12 magnuse and groing stronger by the day :-)
08:12 dcook I think a lot of people would profit from it
08:12 * magnuse thinks so too
08:13 dcook And there are tons of library and information studies folk wanting to get more involved in library technology and's a perfect fit
08:13 jransom i love that the community is so strong and so supportive and works so well together
08:13 jransom its a perfect fit for libraries - who share and give stuff away :)
08:13 magnuse amen :-)
08:14 dcook D'accord ^_^
08:14 dcook It's great being a part of it
08:14 dcook Before I ever actually starting working on Koha, I saw Chris give a talk at Access 2011 in Vancouver
08:15 dcook I had already been hired by Prosentient to work on Koha, but I didn't know a thing about Koha per se. I had worked with ILSs for years, but only proprietary ones
08:15 dcook I only started seriously programming in late 2011, and now my world has been transformed and I want to transform the world of others :D
08:15 jransom well its totally different i imagine
08:16 magnuse dcook: sounds like you are having a great time :-)
08:16 dcook That's the diplomatic way to put it, jransom ;)
08:16 magnuse did i mention i hope i can make it to reno?
08:16 dcook If only I could find the time to do more sign offs, magnuse
08:16 dcook And maybe fix the French manuals...
08:16 dcook And help out on the English ones...
08:17 magnuse yeah, time for signoffs would be nice
08:17 dcook It would be great to see you at reno, magnuse!
08:17 magnuse i'm currently doing mostly non-koha things to make ends meet, hopefully there will be enough koha business so i can work mostly on koha in the not too distant future...
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08:18 jransom I hope you can get to reno too but (on the bright side) if you miss it you might get to the next one which I might get to as well!
08:19 magnuse fingers crossed!
08:19 dcook salut, gaetan_B!
08:19 dcook Sorry to hear that you're not getting to do as much Koha work as you'd li ke, magnuse :/
08:19 magnuse that reminds me we might want to start to think about when we should start to think about calling for bidders for kohacon14
08:20 magnuse dcook: it's not too bad, i get to work on some nice projects, but koha is where my heart is...
08:20 jransom I hoping south america - argentina maybe
08:20 magnuse ooh, that would be excellent
08:20 jransom koha community loves magnus so dont you go and seduced into another project
08:22 * dcook agrees about south america
08:22 dcook magnuse: I'm often intrigued by some of the other projects I work on, but Koha is certainly where my heart is as well :)
08:23 magnuse jransom: not to worry, i really <3 koha! ;-)
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08:30 jransom good evening @francharb
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08:57 kf morning #koha
08:58 magnuse kia ora kf
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10:20 kf marcelr++ :)
10:23 * kf is translating ...
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11:17 drojf good day #koha
11:21 kf hi drojf
11:21 magnuse moin drojf
11:21 kf drojf: go on inetbib if you are interested in the big discussion about amazon covers in library catalogs...
11:22 drojf hi kf and magnuse
11:22 drojf kf: i have been following that for days ;)
11:26 drojf do we have any severe problems in 3.10? with 3.10.3 coming i would start considering an upgrade otherwise
11:34 magnuse there's bug 9256
11:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21
11:35 magnuse or want to have multiple marc dialects on the same server
11:36 drojf luckily that does not apply to us, but that is really bad
11:38 kf yeah
11:38 kf fines don't display in notices
11:38 kf there might be more, not sure
11:38 kf we just began testing
11:39 drojf we have no fines \o/ that saves a lot of trouble i think ;)
11:39 kf probably
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11:45 vfernandes hi guys
11:46 vfernandes koha 3.12 translations.... I have koha 3.10 fully translated for portuguese
11:47 vfernandes but 3.12 is only 37%
11:47 vfernandes shouldn't 3.12 use 3.10 translations as base?
11:47 vfernandes I don't want to translate again 60000 words
11:51 drojf i think i have heard that one before
11:52 vfernandes if 3.10 are fully translated... 3.12 should use 3.10 files plus the new or changed strings
11:52 vfernandes in this way it too hard to mantain translations
11:53 magnuse maintaining translations *is* hard, sadly...
11:55 drojf i think kf said that a lot of it is help files this time
11:58 drojf maybe we fork it and only develop in our lown anguages. krautkoha for the germans, trollkoha for the norwegians…
11:58 drojf languages even
11:58 vfernandes for each new version he have to "rebuild" the translations and that makes no sense
11:58 drojf but given how much % of koha is developed by germans, that will probably be the same as just not upgrade anymore ever
11:59 magnuse drojf: lol
12:01 drojf vfernandes: i dont think we start from 0 again. its just a lot of new stuff
12:01 vfernandes 37% for me is like starting from 0
12:01 drojf we had a lot of fun when the templates were switched to template::toolkit too
12:02 magnuse drojf: don't remind us...
12:03 vfernandes I'm thinking about creating a routine to check which string are new or changed in koha 3.12 file from koha 3.10, adding them to koha 3.10 files and then replace the files in the pootle
12:03 magnuse bug 9161
12:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Translate only specific files
12:04 magnuse bug 7934
12:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po file for help pages
12:05 magnuse bug 7939
12:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects
12:05 magnuse those bugs would make translating easier, i think
12:05 vfernandes those are good improvements but the problem maintains but divided by different files
12:07 drojf seperate the help stuff would be really nice
12:08 drojf have a running, translated koha, do bonus stuff whenever
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12:21 magnuse kia ora Viktor
12:29 drojf swedish people don't talk much :P
12:30 magnuse nah, quite, brooding types us northerners...
12:31 drojf heh
12:35 kf drojf: there is a bug ... you could work on it ;)
12:36 drojf kf: unfortunately i should work on other things
12:36 kf vfernandes: I think your % is really low
12:36 kf vfernandes: you could do a simple test - get your complete 3.10 files
12:36 kf hm he is no longer here eh?
12:37 kf because it's not correct that we have to rebuild really, only when people change things... but maybe not the complete file was used to update his po files... who knows.
12:39 drojf i thought we had something similar, but it's 75% for german
12:39 drojf so 37% does not really make sense
12:39 kf nope
12:39 kf but he was gone too fast
12:39 kf I think it might be a quirk with file paths/update scripts or something
12:40 kf Adolescent = Heranwachsende? hm.
12:41 drojf what makes that differen form jugendliche?
12:41 drojf different
12:41 kf there are lots of subgroups
12:41 kf not sure, but translations might have come from marc21 standard
12:41 kf I kept it for now
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12:42 drojf of course, marcs fault
12:42 kf when we finally catch that guy...
12:42 drojf lol
12:43 kf drojf: 3.8 is done
12:43 drojf yay
12:43 drojf how much was that?
12:44 drojf 10 words? :)
12:44 kf not a lot :)
12:44 kf bit more
12:44 kf bit less than 200 I think
12:44 drojf oh that is more than i thought
12:44 drojf you should take license fees from people using koha in german ;)
12:44 kf oh yes, good plan
12:45 drojf or krautsource it
12:47 kf Vorpubertierende? really?
12:49 drojf hahaha i thought of that, but did not say it
12:49 kf it's in there
12:49 drojf omg
12:49 kf it's a nother grup
12:49 kf group
12:50 drojf :D
12:50 kf I don't think I would like to use a search option that is named like that to find me books...
12:50 drojf no. lol
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12:53 kf hi Viktor :)
12:53 Viktor Hi!
12:53 kf how's things? :)
12:53 Viktor Quite good.
12:53 kf drojf: 3.10 is now done too - no guarantees
12:54 Viktor Things are coming along quite nicely. How are you? kf
12:54 kf quite good too :) lots of interesting projects, lots of work, but good
12:54 Viktor Nice to hear kf :)
12:55 kf @later tell druthb please fix the permissions once more? it seems to reoccur on every update of translations :( http://translate.koha-communit[…]de/310/export/zip
12:55 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
12:55 kf drojf: can't download the files - so can#t test for errors :(
13:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9608' into 3.12-master <[…]51ef9ed26ea6dfecb> / Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in <[…]58b8ea3f6b31cab5b> / Merge branch 'bug_7608' into 3.12-master <[…]ff;h=9d5bdaff0350
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13:15 oleonard Hi #koha
13:16 drojf hi oleonard
13:16 kf hi oleonard
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13:19 * magnuse waves at Viktor
13:23 magnuse gah, he's ignoring me
13:26 kf he talked to me :P
13:28 magnuse yeah, yeah... ;-)
13:35 drojf maybe its time for viktor to switch to a real irc client ;)
13:39 magnuse i think it has been suggested to him :-)
13:44 * oleonard takes up a collection to help the poor souls without real irc clients
13:45 * drojf throws a real irc client into the hat
13:46 * jcamins_away offers up a copy of telnet.
13:47 drojf lol
13:51 jcamins_away I don't understand how someone on my QA team could successfully QA a patch which depends on another patch to function.
13:52 jcamins_away (without looking at the other patch)
13:54 jcamins_away Yay! 9420 looks great!
13:55 * oleonard Bootstraps all! the! things!
13:55 jcamins_away Just testing the package build.
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13:59 oleonard Too late! I Bootstrapped all the things!
14:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9460' into 3.12-master <[…]78e49d0039306b94b> / Bug 9460 - Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page <[…]b6c3431797637db93> / Merge branch 'bug_9461' into 3.12-master <[…]t;a=commitdiff;h=
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14:07 kf oleonard: yay!!
14:07 magnuse bug 9420
14:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Work on Bootstrap for Koha
14:07 magnuse oleonard++
14:07 kf oleonard++
14:08 * kf suggests you start with the new borrower button and the detail page :P
14:08 * oleonard already has a patch for that!
14:08 oleonard In my pocket.
14:09 kf in your pocket? :)
14:09 kf :)
14:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1049: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1049/
14:10 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out
14:10 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging
14:10 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 9454: Use placeholders when adding basket
14:10 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 7608: Manual history should not always be enabled
14:10 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in
14:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , fast cataloging not always checking out
14:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9454 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , NewBasket does not use placeholders in sql
14:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7608 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Manual history is always 'enabled'
14:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9608 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , white background on header on check in
14:11 jcamins_away Lots of nice UI improvements!
14:11 kf yeah :)
14:11 kf and we all know... people like UI improvements :)
14:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #1050 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9420' into 3.12-master <[…]39d015e789f249906> / Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha: Circ toolbar <[…]1780e65020ec9c011> / Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha <[…].git;a=commitdiff
14:12 kf oh and happy jenkins
14:15 oleonard It's Christmas morning for me and jcamins_away is Santa!
14:18 jcamins_away I think 8913 is going to have to wait a bit.
14:18 jcamins_away It's kind of large.
14:18 jcamins_away And missing a signoff.
14:18 jcamins_away I see in the history that it was signed off twice, but I have to figure out which signoff belongs there.
14:19 * jcamins_away heads into the city.
14:19 oleonard jcamins_away: I probably jettisoned one by mistake in a rebase
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14:25 kf bug 8913
14:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Improve acquisitions navigation
14:25 kf hm or might have been me?
14:25 magnuse Viktor: it has been suggested that you get yourself a proper irc client ;-)
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14:37 alaquerre Hi all, is there a way to hide biblio that dont have any items in opac search ?
14:38 kf i don't think you can do it automagically hm.
14:38 kf opachiddenitems would hide it if all items were hidden... but if there are no items
14:38 kf you may have to use opacsuppression instead and set that manually
14:39 alaquerre We want to keep the "empty" biblio for historical reason, but dont want our user to see them...
14:39 drojf opacsuppression sounds like a reasonable way to do that then
14:40 alaquerre let me read a bit about it... never use it.
14:41 alaquerre We need to put "942$n" =1
14:41 alaquerre Interresting
14:41 alaquerre Will try that!
14:42 alaquerre We need a full rebuild of Zebra to see the change ?
14:43 alaquerre I'll ask another question on a completly different topic.
14:43 magnuse alaquerre: that should not be necessary, i think
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14:45 alaquerre On Opac-Search, does it occur ofthen that
14:46 alaquerre Opac Searc : Do you have a problem of "0 result" on a query and when you relaunch the searc, everything works with X results?  Our user have this problem often (couple of time each day)
14:47 kf hm haven't heard that so far
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14:49 alaquerre How often do you "rebuild zebra" during the day ?
14:49 kf -z every 5 minutes
14:49 kf the incremental rebuild, not a full one
14:49 alaquerre How big is instance approx ?
14:50 kf it differes
14:50 kf up to around 70.000 I think currently
14:50 alaquerre How much time it take to do the incremental rebuild ?
14:50 kf but not sure your problem is related to that
14:51 kf I don't know .)
14:51 alaquerre We have the impression that when we rebuild, when the index is dump, we lose the connection with Zebra
14:51 kf it's fast and you can search while zebra does it
14:51 alaquerre Ok... not sure what is our problem. :-(
14:51 kf hm have never had that happen
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14:51 kf hi maximep
14:51 alaquerre Make me think we are doing something really wrong.
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14:56 magnuse alaquerre: you might want to look at how is set up in your cronjobs
14:57 alaquerre -a -b -z
15:00 alaquerre Are you using any other option ?
15:01 magnuse and how often do you run it
15:02 magnuse no, the options look fine i guess
15:02 alaquerre I beleive it's each minute
15:03 magnuse hm, i don't have any clever ideas, i'm afraid...
15:03 alaquerre Ok, still thanks for the validation :-)
15:04 * magnuse wanders off to get ready to make pizza in a couple of hours
15:08 magnuse dbix::class is pretty awesome, btw ;-)
15:09 maximep good morning kf
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15:14 bigbrovar Hi guys.. trying to upgrade our koha instance from 3.4.1 to 3.10.2 after installing all the required perl modules (as per the upgrade docs) I got the following error when I ran a make test
15:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1050: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1050/
15:16 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9592 - remove db-dependency from
15:16 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9592 - update dependencies, allow blacklisting
15:16 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Package dependency updates for master
15:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label
15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome
15:16 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9226: Wrong branch filter after suggestion creation
15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9467 - Use DataTables on catalog by item type report page
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail
15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9465 - Use DataTables on update child to adult patron page
15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9461 [Revised] Use DataTables on holds awaiting pickup report page
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label
15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9460 - Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page
15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha
15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha: Circ toolbar
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron add labels right aligned in chrome
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9226 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Wrong branch filter after suggestion creation
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9467 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on catalog by item type report page
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on update child to adult patron page
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9461 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on holds awaiting pickup report page
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9460 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Work on Bootstrap for Koha
15:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1051 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:20 tcohen rangi, should I mark bug 9502 as RESOLVED?
15:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9502 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9
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15:41 kf oleonard: patch frenzy? :)
15:42 oleonard That's my plan
15:42 kf :)
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15:42 bigbrovar Hi guys.. trying to upgrade our koha instance from 3.4.1 to 3.10.2 after installing all the required perl modules (as per the upgrade docs) I got the following error when I ran a make test
15:44 kf bigbrovar: maybe check bugzilla for failing calendar tests
15:45 bigbrovar kf: I will do that thanks
15:45 oleonard failing calendar tests are to be expected as far as I can recall
15:49 bigbrovar oleonard: mean I can proceed with make install without worries ?
15:50 oleonard I believe so bigbrovar, although I am not an install expert
15:52 jcamins_away bigbrovar: yes, you can continue.
15:52 * jcamins_away made it into the city.
15:53 bigbrovar jcamins_away: thanks
15:54 jcamins_away This computer thinks it is April 1.
15:57 kf making jokes?
15:57 jcamins_away kf: it makes the timesheet software very grouchy.
15:58 kf jcamins: I feel for the timesheet software
15:59 bigbrovar ok so sudo make upgrade went well.. I got the following error from the web installer when I attempted to upgrade the database
16:00 jcamins I don't know what that means.
16:02 jcamins Why is it that every single e-book in my local library has 10+ holds on it?
16:02 oleonard jcamins: Because they have a small collection and an e-book policy which prevents two people from having one at the same time?
16:05 jcamins oleonard: yeah, sounds right.
16:05 reiveune1 bye
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16:08 oleonard The only people that like the way ebooks are handled in public libraries is Overdrive. Everyone else is holding their nose over some aspect of it.
16:08 oleonard The patrons about the process, the librarians about the cost and restrictions, the publishers about the fact that someone is reading each of those files more than once :P
16:10 jcamins Argh!
16:10 jcamins I took my bonefolder out of my backpack because Shari needed it, and now I am bonefolder-less!
16:10 kf bonefolder??
16:11 kf you fold bones? :P
16:11 jcamins No, it's a folder made of bones.
16:11 kf ah, I know. it's a little tool made of bone to work with paper?
16:11 jcamins Well, a bone.
16:11 oleonard jcamins:
16:11 jcamins Yes.
16:11 jcamins oleonard: exactly how I feel about the matter.
16:13 jcamins I think they charged me the wrong amount or sent me the wrong boxes.
16:13 jcamins I had ordered the cheap ones, and instead they sent me nice ones for the same price.
16:15 kf in that case...just feel lucky? :)
16:16 kf oleonard: just got the new bootstrap menu - I like :)
16:16 jcamins kf: I am!
16:16 oleonard What are you folding today jcamins?
16:17 rambutan I fold proteins
16:18 rambutan which is to say, I boinc
16:18 jcamins oleonard: boxes.
16:18 jcamins About 30.
16:18 kf at a client's?
16:19 jcamins Yup.
16:20 jcamins These are really nicely made boxes.
16:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1051: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1051/
16:39 kf oleonard: by tonight no more yui menus will be left in Koha? :)
16:39 oleonard Not quite, but I'm working on it :)
16:39 jcamins oleonard++
16:44 kf oleonard++ :)
16:44 kf i should get a shortcut for that :)
16:44 oleonard jcamins++
16:44 oleonard kf++
16:45 oleonard Because without your help I couldn't have gotten the first Bootstrap patch in :)
16:45 kf I was not helpful with that :)
16:45 oleonard kf: What about all the cookies you supplied me with?
16:45 kf I think Jonathan  qa'd?
16:45 kf lol okok :)
16:46 oleonard I always forget Jonathan's IRC nick
16:46 kf Joubu
16:46 jcamins joubu
16:46 oleonard Joubu++
16:47 jcamins Oh, kf already said that.
16:47 * kf fixes jcamins code :P
16:49 kf well, he is not to blame for our weird data
16:50 jcamins No, you Germans have no one to blame but yourself for that. :P
16:50 jcamins germs?
16:50 wahanui germs is
16:50 jcamins germs?
16:50 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
16:50 kf if that's true you are going ot have weird data soon too *muahaha* ;)
16:51 jcamins Why do you think I'm abandoning MARC? :P
16:51 kf leaving ship captain? ts.
16:53 kf jcamins: is there an easy way to check that marc really included the 400 for other fields?
16:53 drojf a famous hunter once said something like: you can turn your back on a person, but you can never turn your back on MARC
16:54 jcamins What do you mean?
16:54 kf testing my patch ... it's ok
16:55 kf bug 9620
16:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9620 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , IncludeSeeFromInSearches ON and data in $9 subfields can break
16:56 kf drojf: could happen to you too by the way...
16:57 drojf kf: we do not have authorities so far. i think that will not happen very soon, so you have that fixed by then. i trust you :)
16:57 drojf good to know though
16:57 kf was more looking for an innocent tester :)
16:57 drojf i know ;)
16:58 jcamins drojf: watch out... germs _are_ contagious.
16:58 kf jcamins: he is one, I am sure all warnings are lost
16:59 jcamins kf: I know, but I thought he might have forgotten. ;)
17:06 jcamins So, oleonard, I guess you weren't really looking forward to Bootstrap getting into Koha, were you? :P
17:06 drojf lol
17:06 oleonard I figured I'd get around to it eventually you know, if nothing good was on TV
17:12 * kf feels like competing with jcamins for longest commit mesage
17:12 jcamins kf: there are many things that people can compete with me on, but I have to warn you that you are almost certain to lose that one.
17:12 kf bug 9620 might sound a bit insane... but as it is a real problem for us it would be really nice if someone would consider testing it :)
17:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9620 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , IncludeSeeFromInSearches ON and data in $9 subfields can break indexing
17:13 kf and the test plan is not so hard, you can ignoret my atempt to explain why it was broken
17:13 jcamins My tl;dr summary was so long it had a tl;dr summary on bug 7284.
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:13 jcamins :P
17:13 * jcamins waits impatiently for Chrome portable to update.
17:18 jcamins bgkriegel++
17:20 jcamins Apparently LibreOffice 4.0 has been released.
17:21 oleonard I hope you're not waiting for that to update too jcamins?
17:22 jcamins Nope.
17:24 oleonard Speaking of LibreOffice, some good news for them:[…]gle-install.shtml
17:25 kf bye all and have a nice weekend!
17:26 jcamins Heh.
17:26 rambutan Chrome portable? like Portable Apps?
17:26 jcamins rambutan: yeah.
17:26 rambutan well, I need to chek it out
17:27 rambutan check
17:27 jcamins I use my client's computer on Fridays, and rather than worry about web browser settings, I just use portable Chrome.
17:40 jcamins oleonard: we used YUI buttons on a lot of pages, didn't we?
17:41 oleonard And now we'll use Bootstrap buttons on a lot of pages :)
17:41 oleonard And maybe more, if we want to start styling other buttons in Bootstrap style
17:42 drojf must get really crowded in the button retirement home
17:43 gerundio hey guys, we just uploaded the new look & feel for our Koha installation:
17:43 gerundio any thoughts?
17:44 jcamins Yes: nice!
17:44 jcamins Also that it would be better if you fixed the cart button.
17:44 jcamins And styled the "save" button for lists in the search results screen.
17:44 jcamins :D
17:44 drojf does not load for me
17:44 jcamins And rounded the edges of the Search button on advanced searhc. :)
17:44 jcamins *search
17:45 * jcamins hopes you wanted thoughts like that. :)
17:45 gerundio jcamins, thanks for the feedback
17:45 gerundio our designer just worked on the homepage
17:46 gerundio so there are probably lots of issues in the inner pages
17:46 gerundio btw, the HTML generated by Koha is not very friendly
17:46 gerundio jcamins++
17:46 jcamins gerundio: it's getting better, thanks to oleonard.
17:47 oleonard gerundio: Feel free to file a bug if you have suggestions about how it could be improved from a customization point of view
17:47 gerundio drojf, doesn't load, like you get 404?
17:47 drojf gerundio: Iceweasel can't find the server at
17:47 drojf Server not found
17:47 wahanui Server not found is a different error to what you described before
17:47 drojf wahanui: forget Server not found
17:47 wahanui drojf: I forgot server not found
17:48 oleonard drojf: DNS problem? Works for me.
17:48 oleonard drojf: Your internet pipe is probably full for the day.
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17:48 jcamins excuse?
17:48 wahanui jcamins: SCSI's too wide.
17:48 drojf oleonard: i did not notice dns problems so far but could be
17:49 drojf so far = before this
17:49 gerundio what does a nslookup query say about
17:49 drojf other stuff works fine
17:49 drojf i can get btw
17:50 drojf nslookup
17:50 drojf Server:
17:50 drojf Address:
17:50 drojf ** server can't find NXDOMAIN
17:50 wahanui is
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17:52 oleonard What was that all about wahanui?
17:52 drojf works fine (little slow) with the ip wahanui gave. looks like there is some old dns cache thingy going on
17:52 gerundio drojf, weird indeed :|
17:53 gerundio oleonard, a couple of things
17:53 gerundio the opaccredits description says: "Include the following HTML in the footer of all pages in the OPAC"
17:54 gerundio take a look at this book description page
17:54 gerundio[…]iblionumber=25431
17:54 gerundio and compare the position of the 2 logos
17:54 drojf look, it's raining more buttons
17:54 gerundio from that page and the homepage
17:56 oleonard gerundio: I see, though I don't know why it's like that
18:00 gerundio oleonard, other thing with all those yui classes
18:00 gerundio the main content area on the homepage is very odd
18:00 gerundio there's no main container with 3 columns in it
18:01 gerundio we have the yui-main side by side with yui-b (left opacnav area)
18:02 gerundio an easier approach would be to have a main div with 3 divs inside, something like left, center and right
18:02 gerundio btw, just noticed a strange behaviour
18:02 gerundio I deactivated the cart
18:03 oleonard gerundio: The OPAC (like the staff client) uses YUI CSS grids for layout, and unfortunately they are not all things to all people.
18:03 gerundio it doesn't show in PT but it shows in EN
18:04 gerundio oleonard, I get that, I looked into Yahoo's grid builder
18:07 oleonard gerundio: YUI grids are quite unfriendly to designs in which one wants full-column background colors, but unfortunately so are most CSS grids
18:08 gerundio that's no even my issue with it
18:08 oleonard (in my experience anyway)
18:09 gerundio for me it just doesn't seem natural to have 2 divs side by side via CSS margins
18:09 gerundio and in order to have a 3 column design the div on the right has 2 divs inside
18:10 gerundio I'm getting a JS script error in the homepage because of a badly quoted translation
18:11 gerundio do the translations accept escaping double quotes?
18:11 jcamins gerundio: that probably means there's a single quote where there should be a double quote.
18:11 gerundio jcamins, the other way around, but that's it :D
18:11 jcamins Oh.
18:12 jcamins I'm not sure how to escape double quotes.
18:12 jcamins Probably backslash.
18:12 gerundio I was thinking what would be the best way: backslash escape VS replace for single quotes
18:12 gerundio betting on door #2
18:14 jcamins For translation purposes, Javascript should always be enclosed in double-quotes, so you'll need to go with option 2.
18:14 jcamins Single quotes are much more common than double quotes.
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18:52 alohabot Hi mib_ir3w55, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
18:56 oleonard You came on too strong alohabot
19:06 rangi 9
19:06 rangi heh
19:06 rangi morning
19:08 oleonard Hi rangi
19:08 jcamins Morning.
19:08 wahanui well, Morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance
19:08 cait hi rangi
19:08 cait morning?
19:08 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:09 cait Morning?
19:09 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:09 cait hm.
19:09 jcamins Morning.?
19:09 wahanui hmmm... Morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance
19:09 drojf jcamins' mornings are different
19:09 cait that would have been my next try :)
19:09 cait forget Morning.
19:09 wahanui cait: I forgot morning
19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning.
19:09 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning
19:09 jcamins morning?
19:09 jcamins Morning.
19:09 wahanui Morning. is probably possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance
19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning\.
19:09 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning\
19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning..
19:09 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning
19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning*
19:09 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning*
19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning?
19:10 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning
19:10 jcamins Hm.
19:10 jcamins morning.
19:10 wahanui rumour has it morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance
19:10 jcamins no, Morning. is Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:10 jcamins morning.
19:10 wahanui morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance
19:10 jcamins wahanui: no, Morning. is Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:10 wahanui ...but morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance...
19:10 jcamins morning.
19:10 wahanui hmmm... morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance
19:11 jcamins wahanui: no, Morning. is <reply> Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:11 wahanui ...but morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance...
19:11 jcamins Grr.
19:11 cait grr. indeed.
19:11 cait morning?
19:11 cait morning.
19:11 wahanui morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ is using koha and it works, but if I go to says koha is in maintance
19:11 jcamins I've been outsmarted by a bot which just repeats things.
19:11 cait forget morning.
19:11 cait wahanui: forget morning.
19:11 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching morning
19:11 cait forget \morning.
19:11 cait hmpf.
19:12 jcamins morning.
19:12 wahanui Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:12 jcamins Hah!
19:13 jcamins morning.
19:13 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
19:13 jcamins Now with correct punctuation.
19:13 cait heh
19:13 cait Morning?
19:13 cait just double checking...
19:13 drojf morning is a state of cat
19:26 cait oleonard: go and have some weekend? :)
19:26 jcamins At 2:30?
19:26 jcamins That sounds wonderful.
19:37 jcamins oleonard: I was thinking... should your Bootstrap/datatables patches actually be considered "bugfixes"?
19:38 jcamins I mean, if tablesorter and YUI are both deprecated, using them is deifnitely a bug.
19:39 cait jcamins: you want to port them back down?
19:39 rangi i wont be porting them to 3.10 and 3.8
19:40 cait or just after feature freeze?
19:40 jcamins cait: feature freeze.
19:40 wahanui feature freeze is probably march 22nd 2013
19:41 cait jcamins: i would be ok with that if we can't finish it before
19:41 cait itmakes sense to replace all menus
19:41 cait and not only part of it
19:41 jcamins I was more thinking for QA than for new patches, though.
19:41 cait hm?
19:41 cait they should not be hard to qa I think
19:41 cait the patches
19:41 wahanui the patches are on the bug
19:41 jcamins So that during the hackfest the QA team could focus on other code.
19:41 cait ah
19:41 cait maybe
19:42 jcamins I can wait another month to decide, of course.
19:42 cait not sure I can follow you
19:42 cait I shouldmake dinner :)
19:42 cait and maybe something with caffeine
19:43 jcamins If those patches are considered "enhancements," during the hackfest, the QA team would need to concentrate on handling them.
19:43 cait yeah
19:43 jcamins As opposed to any of the 200 other patches currently either signed off or awaiting sign off.
19:43 cait just think about it and letme know tomorrow or omnday or whatever? :)
19:43 jcamins I'll let you know around March 14.
19:43 cait i might start looking at them tho... too tempting
19:43 jcamins Please do!
19:44 jcamins Best of all would be if they were dealt with prior to the feature slush.
19:44 cait yeah of course
19:49 jcamins Could someone please update bug 9638 to inform Nikumbh that zebraqueue_daemon was deprecated for years and has been removed intentionally?
19:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9638 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , and missing in latest stable release (installer-source) koha-3.10.02.tar.gz
19:51 cait done
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19:51 jcamins Thanks!
19:52 cait yay I closed a bug!
19:52 jcamins :D
19:52 * oleonard looks forward to the bug report complaining that all the YUI buttons are gone
19:52 cait hehe
19:52 cait lol
19:52 jcamins Hehe.
19:52 drojf heh
19:52 jcamins Are we close?
19:52 cait ok, time to throw together some dinner, brb.
19:52 drojf woah they are mostly signed off already. cool
19:53 oleonard I have five more patches to rebase and post, then 9 or 10 other pages to work on.
19:53 cait oh cool
19:53 cait who did?
19:53 cait i thinmk some aremore complicated like the floating menu in cataloging?
19:53 jcamins bgkriegel has spent the past two days testing oleonard's patches.
19:54 oleonard And the acquisitions ones will need to be based on the new acquisitions nav structure
19:54 cait ah
19:54 jcamins I may be pushing that tonight.
19:54 cait i was just going to ask you :)
19:54 * oleonard owes bkriegel multiple beers
19:54 jcamins It's second on my list.
19:55 oleonard Is admin/ still in use?
19:55 cait hmm
19:55 jcamins Hmm... I don't think so.
19:55 cait I think it could maybe be removed?
19:55 jcamins It doesn't do anything.
19:55 cait did we officially remove no zebra by now?
19:55 jcamins There are still bits of NoZebra code, sadly.
19:55 cait not only deprecate but really remove it I mean?
19:56 jcamins The code is still there, but it has not worked _at all_ since before 3.8, at the very latest.
19:57 oleonard Bug 7440
19:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
19:57 jcamins For example, the NoZebra code in one of the searches was removed.
19:57 jcamins And it is no longer possible to choose to use NoZebra.
19:57 jcamins (the code was removed after it stopped working)
19:57 oleonard For some reason I thought there was an objection to removing it altogether... Maybe I'm thinking of something else
19:58 jcamins oleonard: there was an objection that we should offer the option of not using Zebra, however since none of the objectors could be bothered to make it work any time in the past two years, they were overruled.
20:05 * oleonard heaps praise upon git-bz
20:05 jcamins The -m switch?
20:06 oleonard In particular, yes
20:06 * jcamins had a feeling.
20:08 cait oh
20:08 cait the -m?
20:08 cait I don't know the -m!
20:08 jcamins It sends an e-mail to the list.
20:09 cait oh
20:20 drojf this guy keeps spamming me with offers for YUI button replacement
20:20 jcamins lol
20:22 drojf much more fun that the reals spam i get… »No matter what your interests are, our robots have picked out events you're sure to love!«. thanks mozilla for outsourcing the appday stuff to eventbrite
20:24 cait you got a phone :)
20:24 drojf i got nothing so far ;)
20:24 cait details...
20:25 drojf but i feel like a phone owner, true
20:25 drojf i'm surprised to say that »Git Merge is a Git  user conference held to bring together Git users and Git developers.  This May we will be getting together in Berlin to improve the world of  Git for everyone.« really does not sound completely off
20:26 cait i live in the wrong place
20:26 drojf not-berlin? yeah, i hate that place
20:26 jcamins Alas. gerundio is no longer here.
20:27 jcamins I can't figure out how to file "Maximo de Azevedo Marques."
20:27 jcamins Azevedo Marques or de Azevedo Marques?
20:28 drojf hm. i think you choose one and stick to it, then it is correct ;)
20:29 cait A
20:29 drojf but really, we have the same with 'von', but i don't remember if there is a "right" way  or just a "consistent" way
20:30 drojf listen to cait
20:30 cait Azevedo Marques, Maximo de
20:30 jcamins Weird...
20:30 wahanui hmmm... weird is normal after a while :)
20:30 jcamins Marques, Maximo de Azevedo?
20:30 jcamins ...
20:30 jcamins no.
20:30 jcamins I don't believe that.
20:30 jcamins I prefer cait's version.
20:30 * jcamins files under A.
20:30 cait that's because it's right :P
20:31 jcamins Not according to Princeton.
20:31 cait well
20:31 cait according to rak I think
20:31 drojf rak n roll
20:31 cait
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20:31 cait see: Broglie, Louis de
20:32 jcamins :)
20:32 jcamins See, this is why having an IRC channel full of librarians helps.
20:32 cait but I don't knwo about the weird ways your aacr2 might file that :P
20:34 drojf Regeln für die einzelnen Staaten s. § 314, 5 A - M (daraus als Beispiel):
20:34 drojf sounds mildly attractive
20:34 cait ah, rak was fun
20:34 cait cool prof
20:35 cait it's her website :)
20:35 jcamins "Fun."
20:35 * jcamins shakes his head.
20:35 cait what?
20:35 drojf there are moments when i do not regret having no librarian education
20:36 cait pf
20:36 drojf not now! that is quite interesting :)
20:36 drojf also, weird. but interesting
20:36 cait hehe
20:36 cait ok :)
20:36 cait I can live with that I think
20:38 drojf Luther King, Martin
20:38 drojf i wouldn't find that ;)
20:38 cait um
20:38 cait but isn't that logical?
20:38 drojf nope?
20:38 cait you are right
20:38 cait where did you find that
20:38 cait ?
20:38 cait lol
20:39 cait you are not readin git correctly
20:39 cait Ans= Ansetzung
20:39 drojf i am not sure if it is supposed to be showing how it is not done
20:39 jcamins Definitely reading it wrong.
20:39 jcamins And I don't even know German!
20:39 cait So King, Martin Luther is the right one
20:39 cait you only do a see also with Luther King, Martin to be nice
20:39 drojf i know that that is the right one. what is verw than?
20:39 drojf AH
20:39 cait verweisungsform
20:39 cait think card catalogs
20:39 drojf craziness
20:39 cait you would have printed a second card
20:40 cait and put it under L
20:40 drojf i wouldn't have :D
20:40 cait well
20:40 cait imagine people not knowing english so well
20:40 jcamins Nice librarians would have. :P
20:40 cait back ago
20:40 cait someone coudl have thought that Luther king was a double name
20:41 drojf still you found the weird form logical :P
20:41 drojf luther-king? :)
20:41 cait she chose a popular example, but there might be others where it's not that obvious
20:41 cait yeah
20:41 cait much more common in europe I think than anywhere else
20:41 cait jcamins: why do you have a double last name?
20:41 cait isn't that pretty uncommon? :)
20:42 cait drojf: I am tired, it was not logical
20:42 drojf sorry, just kidding ;)
20:42 jcamins cait: it is pretty uncommon.
20:42 jcamins I have both my parents' last names.
20:43 cait hm really uncommon
20:43 cait I think most of the time kids here ony have one name, but when you get married you take both sometimes
20:43 cait drojf: that about right?
20:43 jcamins Same here.
20:44 jcamins Oh, wait, you mean you take your spouse's name?
20:44 jcamins That's not common here.
20:44 jcamins I thought you meant that sometimes kids take both their parents' names.
20:44 drojf yes. you are not allowed to give your child both names if you are not married. applies to friends of mine at the moment, i think they would have considered it
20:44 drojf but they don't want to get marries
20:45 drojf married
20:45 cait jcamins: but yes, that's what people do  -get marry, double up their names
20:45 cait mostly women, seldomly men
20:45 drojf some do
20:45 drojf some don't
20:45 cait although I think they can
20:45 jcamins That's starting to be done more here, I think.
20:45 drojf no idea of the numbers. i think it is not possible to quadruple the name though
20:46 jcamins Hehe.
20:46 drojf (if two people with double names get married. would be fun)
20:46 cait lol
20:46 cait I am sure some rules apply to that
20:46 cait lol
20:46 drojf ha love it
20:46 cait but shari did keep her name, didn't she?
20:47 jcamins Yes.
20:48 jcamins I don't think there are rules that apply to hyphenating names here in the US because my last name isn't recognized as valid by the government.
20:48 oleonard Isn't admin/ being resurrected?
20:48 jcamins oleonard: yes.
20:49 jcamins New York state recognizes my last name.
20:49 drojf not recognized as valid?
20:50 drojf how does that show? ;)
20:50 drojf you don't exist outside of NY?
20:50 cait hm different name on passport?
20:53 jcamins drojf: I have two last names instead of a hyphenated last name.
20:53 drojf i see
20:53 drojf could have been worse :)
20:54 jcamins True.
20:56 senator jcamins: getting my passport renewed right now for the first time since changing my last name to the current hyphenated one. social security office had no objection at the time, but we'll see what the department of state says. wouldn't be surprised by inconsistency at all.
20:57 cait hm I only have 3 names and one last name
20:57 drojf three names?
20:57 jcamins cait: three names?
20:57 cait yeah
20:58 cait my sister got her second name from my mother, my brother got it from my dad... and when I was born they fell back to grandmothers
20:58 jcamins Heh.
20:59 drojf hehe
20:59 senator my sister has three names for the very same reason
20:59 cait my dad is always joking that they expected there had to be a third type... or something
21:00 cait well, they got a geek, guess that was unexpected :)
21:00 jcamins Hehe.
21:01 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:01 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (9:55 PM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
21:01 jcamins I have a middle name and my next brother has a middle name, but the youngest two do not.
21:01 cait ran out of names? :)
21:01 jcamins Yup.
21:01 cait lol
21:03 jcamins Apparently my parents could only come up with two boys' names that started with 'S' that they both liked.
21:03 cait started with s?
21:04 jcamins Yeah. All my brothers (and my father) have first names starting with 'J.' My mother's name starts with an 'S.'
21:04 oleonard Have a good weekend everyone
21:04 jcamins The idea was that all the girls would have S first names and J middle names and the boys J first names and S middle names.
21:04 cait but.. you gotno sisters
21:05 jcamins Right.
21:05 jcamins That's why they ran out of S middle names for boys... they had spent all their time planning S first names for girls. :)
21:06 drojf lol
21:06 cait lol
21:15 rambutan jcamins: do I remember you ever using jared camins-beh?
21:15 jcamins rambutan: No, I always use Camins-Esakov.
21:15 rambutan musta been somebody else
21:16 jcamins Or just Camins.
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21:23 cait bed time :)
21:23 cait bye all and have a good weekend :)
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21:28 koyauni hi guys, if I want to define a tag for biblionumber how do I do this, is there any link in documentation I can use please
21:35 jcamins Time to call it a day and head home.
21:35 jcamins Bye.
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22:35 * drojf is a bad person
22:36 bag no you aren't
22:37 drojf :)
22:46 drojf i wasn't aware that the url to rangi's blog post ends in »you-must-help-me-no« and not »now« :D
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23:01 bag ha
23:18 jcamins_away drojf++ # nice e-mail
23:29 jcamins I wonder if there's anything in bootstrap that would allow us to make the record view buttons on the OPAC more attractive and understandable.

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