IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-14

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00:09 eythian wahanui: cory doctorow is not a real doctor.
00:09 wahanui ...but cory doctorow is not a real Doctor....
00:09 eythian oh right
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00:56 rangi C4::Search?
00:56 wahanui[…]751872/hE32ABD60/
00:57 wizzyrea omg.
00:59 cjh lol
01:13 Dyrcona :)
01:13 dcook hehe
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01:36 mtj wow , just spotted this ->[…]indexing-to-koha/
01:37 mtj bywater++ equinox++
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01:50 mtj ^^ yeah, what she said… :p
02:57 wizzyrea[…]1_million_per_day we should do something like this koha vs sirsi
02:59 jcamins_away Blurgh. Sometimes XSLT is a real nightmare.
03:00 wizzyrea ya think?
03:00 jcamins_away I want to convert the first bit into the second bit:
03:05 eythian I like how it considers Dunedin to be the centre of NZ
03:06 mtj wizzyrea++ awesome idea
03:06 wizzyrea and what's with the kansas-area huge US dot. or is that just "from the US"
03:06 wizzyrea that must be what eythian is saying.
03:06 wizzyrea hm that is odd. strange.
03:06 wizzyrea but yes
03:06 wizzyrea the idea, i like
03:07 wizzyrea of course our downloads are nowhere near that
03:07 cjh we can scale a bit :P
03:07 wizzyrea well because a person could download OO for multiple computers
03:07 mtj i think the dot is sposed to be center of each country
03:07 wizzyrea when someone downloads koha it's probably once, maybe twice
03:08 wizzyrea and we can't really track git clones or package installes
03:08 wizzyrea installs*
03:08 wizzyrea can we?
03:08 wizzyrea so it would probably be self reporting
03:09 wizzyrea @quote get 123
03:10 wahanui
03:10 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:10 wizzyrea I just wanted to laugh at that cartoon again.
03:10 mtj liz, ive always dreamt of a 'submit info to' feature, for koha
03:10 wizzyrea yep, I know :)
03:12 mtj lol
03:12 mtj one day…. !
03:16 wizzyrea yuss bug 9611
03:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
03:17 wizzyrea ^^^ really really important
03:20 mtj nice, i'll test it later tonite
03:21 mtj … after my space-bar cools down
03:22 wizzyrea hehehehehe
03:24 dcook Ohhh, I like that idea, mtj
03:25 * dcook shudders at cartoon
03:25 wizzyrea that is like, life as a koha developer.
03:26 wizzyrea "III is broken. Can you make Koha do it like III did?"
03:26 wizzyrea what? why?!
03:43 dcook Hehe
03:44 dcook I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be a dedicated systems person in a single branch library or even for just one library system
03:45 wizzyrea it's not so much different, heh.
03:45 dcook I was just about to write that, haha
03:45 wizzyrea just a laser focus on your micro problems, instead of the macro focus you get otherwise
03:45 dcook Pretty much, eh?
03:46 dcook Does the icon come in cornflower blue?
03:46 wizzyrea funny you should say cornflower
03:46 wizzyrea it was the color I was trying to think of earlier
03:46 wizzyrea no not THAT shade of cornflower.
03:47 wizzyrea[…]ornflower_-_3.jpg
03:47 wizzyrea that is not at all the color I would call "cornflower"
03:48 wizzyrea[…]-blue-800x800.jpg that's closer
03:48 dcook Mmm, true enough
03:49 wizzyrea what is the deal with girls taking pictures of their fingernails.
03:49 dcook lol
03:49 wizzyrea strange internet thing.
03:49 dcook Now it is funny that you mention that
03:49 dcook My partner has a pet peeve about that, which I hear about every few weeks :p
03:49 dcook I just tell her to stop going on Instagram
03:50 wizzyrea follow different people is the solution I ahve
03:50 dcook Mmm, that's another one I proposed
03:50 dcook Shot down both times
03:50 wizzyrea also koha-mysql = best idea
03:50 dcook She also wasn't a fan of the "Future koha developer" onesie. I don't know about her..
03:50 wizzyrea evar
03:51 dcook O_o
03:51 * wizzyrea resists the urge to suggest you dump her
03:51 wizzyrea i am sure that she has many fine qualities
03:52 wizzyrea or huge... tracts of land.
03:52 dcook I'm going to go with the many other fine qualities, and firm yet supple tight embrace.
03:54 dcook I didn't realize that you were actually in Kansas
03:54 * wizzyrea is actually not
03:54 dcook Crafty
03:54 wizzyrea anymore :)
03:54 dcook I still go by Canadian Librarian. I figure I can keep the adjective so long as I keep my accent :p
03:55 wizzyrea haha!
03:55 * wizzyrea wonders where you got kansas from
03:57 dcook LinkedIn and then the comment above about Kansas
03:57 dcook Check your inbox :p
03:58 wizzyrea ohhh
03:58 jcamins_away Ha! I have stylesheets to HTMLize and deHTMLize my records!
03:59 dcook Excellent, jcamins_away!
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03:59 dcook ...why?
03:59 wizzyrea oh, I should change linkedin
03:59 dcook Damned personal identity management, eh?
04:00 * dcook still has a few websites from the past to change/remove
04:00 jcamins_away dcook: so I don't have to use TinyMCE's sharply limited XML support.
04:00 jcamins_away
04:00 jcamins_away ^^ the XSLT
04:00 jcamins_away The weird PHP is just the xml declaration.
04:01 jcamins_away And disregard the <textarea> tags, that just seemed like the simplest way to stick them inline.
04:02 wizzyrea well now it's proper :P
04:03 wizzyrea ok I'm outtie
04:03 wizzyrea later peeps :)
04:03 dcook Ahh, I thought that you were in NZ
04:03 dcook Glad to know I'm not the only North American down here :p
04:03 * jcamins_away has successfully erased the record while trying to save it.
04:03 jcamins_away Whoops.
04:04 dcook later, wizzyrea
04:04 dcook Eeep, jcamins_away
04:04 dcook Alas, I'm not sure that I follow your XSLT, but...gotta go
04:04 * jcamins_away is leaving as well, actually.
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05:42 rangi we should run stats on teh package downloads
05:42 rangi i have stats for the tarballs
05:42 rangi the packages are just served by a webserver, so we will have access logs for them
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05:53 mtj oooh, thats a good idea
05:54 dcook Stats! Stats!
05:59 mtj bbiab...
05:59 wahanui bbiab is Be Back In A Bit
06:04 rangi perhaps not the best lullaby to show my kids before be
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06:45 dcook Salut paul_p, et bon soir, #koha
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06:47 * francharb waves
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07:29 * magnuse waves
07:30 alex_a_ hello
07:31 magnuse bonjour alex_a_
07:31 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse freezing!
07:32 magnuse @wunder boo
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
07:32 magnuse hah!
07:32 magnuse ;-)
07:32 magnuse @wunder konstanz
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -6.3°C (8:30 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
07:32 magnuse wow!
07:34 magnuse poor cait
07:34 cait staying in my warm home today
07:34 cait so not that poor
07:34 cait ok, have to study... so yeah, you are right
07:34 magnuse ooh, good idea!
07:35 magnuse staying in, i mean
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07:47 reiveune hello
07:47 wahanui niihau, reiveune
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08:02 asaurat hi
08:02 wahanui salut, asaurat
08:06 cait hi asaurat :)
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08:09 gaetan_B hello
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08:44 mtj bonjour francharb, magnuse, reiveune, asaurat,  gaetan_B, cait
08:45 cait hi mtj :)
08:45 francharb 0/ mtj
08:45 magnuse kia ora mtj
08:45 reiveune salut mtj
08:46 mtj which biblibrians are in India… just paul.p?
08:46 rangi oh mtj you'll enjoy this
08:46 rangi C4::Search?
08:46 wahanui[…]751872/hE32ABD60/
08:46 magnuse mtj: yup, think so
08:47 magnuse tee hee
08:47 mtj note to self, never drink on the job
08:49 mtj wow, i wonder what the story is behind that photo - some kids joy-riding the vehicle?
08:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #271 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:55 sophie_m mtj: yes, only Paul is in India
08:55 sophie_m hello #koha
08:56 rangi hi sophie_m
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09:02 magnuse moin drojf
09:03 drojf hei magnuse
09:03 drojf cait++
09:04 cait hm?
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09:10 mtj ok, heres a random jscript/jquery Q….
09:11 mtj has anyone bumped into a problem/solution for loading js files… and not being able to see/debug them, in firebug?
09:12 mtj the solution seems to be… use a hacked version of jQuery.getScript()?
09:14 mtj on locally pathed files, to force them to be loaded as absolute urls - so they show in firebug/chrome's debugger
09:15 mtj ...surely some other poor soul has hit this problem?
09:16 cait ?
09:16 cait what are you trying to do?
09:17 drojf mtj: you want them to show, but they don't, not the other way round?
09:18 mtj i'm trying to add breakpoints, and step thru a .js file… that wont show in my debugger
09:18 mtj .. but is successfully being executed by my browser
09:25 drojf not a direct answer to your question, but newer firefoxes have some fancy web developer stuff too, maybe it shows in there?
09:28 mtj its basically this problem, for the curious… ->[…]etscript-function
09:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #271: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/271/
09:28 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: test
09:28 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9502 - famfamfam wronly linked in 3.8.x
09:28 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9222: manual history reversed in
09:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9502 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9
09:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , manual history reversed in
09:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:29 mtj … and this too  ->
09:29 drojf that's an interesting problem
09:37 mtj yeah, the good news is… the fix is working for me
09:38 mtj btu, what im stuck on is, i cant work out how to move my new getScript2 function into a new file.js
09:39 mtj .. and have another .js file call that function() in that other file
09:39 mtj all pretty trivial stuff… thats just not quite working, atm :/
09:45 mtj .
09:45 mtj ok , got it... :)
09:46 mtj i cheated and just loaded it inline
09:46 mtj <script type="text/JavaScript" src="/mystuff/getScript2.js"></script>
09:48 drojf :)
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10:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #63: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/63/
10:09 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9380 - branch not recording right on writeoff
10:09 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9222: manual history reversed in
10:09 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9583 - OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium
10:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9380 critical, P1 - high, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , branch not recording right on writeoff
10:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , manual history reversed in
10:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9583 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium
10:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #272 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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10:25 alohabot Hi mib_a92qkg, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
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10:39 drojf heh. scared off by the bot
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10:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #272: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/272/
10:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9583 - OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium
10:46 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Revert "test"
10:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9583 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium
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12:54 * drojf can't reproduce paul_p's problem with the paid support page
13:11 * magnuse neither
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13:16 oleonard Hi #koha
13:19 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 13 March 2013 at 18:00 UTC
13:42 slef hi
13:42 wahanui salut, slef
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14:38 mtj hey oleonard, about?
14:38 oleonard yes
14:39 mtj im just looking at this old bug 8679
14:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove usage of Amazon API
14:39 mtj and… i cant see how amazon cover-images would still work after the patch?!
14:40 oleonard Amazon cover images don't rely on the API
14:40 oleonard They're all HTTP
14:40 oleonard <img src="path/to/amazon/ ISBN from Koha">
14:40 mtj aaah, too easy :)
14:41 mtj hey, while you are about… i have another idea that have been meaning to ask you about…
14:42 * oleonard checks the clock, wonders if mtj needs a glass of warm milk or a bottle of Nyquil
14:42 mtj .. its basically a patch to force the creation of customised opac divs, *even* if the syspref contains no content
14:43 oleonard Why?
14:43 mtj like OpacMainUserBlock and OpacNav, etc...
14:45 mtj because people would find those divs/spans very useful for jquery manipulation… if they existed
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14:46 mtj im doing some opac customising with jquery atm - and as a work-around, im having to paste <hidden> stuff, into each syspref
14:47 oleonard In the case of OpacNav, the whole column isn't displayed if there is no content. Not sure how you'd accommodate those who really didn't want anything there
14:47 mtj … to get it to 'appear' on the page,  so i can insert new content into it, etc
14:47 oleonard mtj, is there not some kind of meaningful placeholder text you can enter?
14:47 mtj yeah, i've noticed that one is a uniq problem
14:48 mtj welll, ive currently got … div style="display: none;">DONT DELETE ME!!!!</div>
14:49 oleonard By meaningful I mean, meaningful to someone who might visit the page with javascript disabled for instance
14:49 mtj … not sure how 'meaningful' that is to the client
14:49 cait mtj: what about <-- some other information goes here -->?
14:49 cait well with <!--
14:49 magnuse that will look cool for users without javascript enabled ;-)
14:50 mtj so, with the exeption of OpacNav, *would* my patch be a problem?
14:52 oleonard The problem is that we don't know how others have customized those areas. It could be that folks have applied a style to those areas which would show even with no content (background color, border, etc)
14:53 mtj hmm, that seems pretty unlikely?!
14:54 oleonard It doesn't to me. A custom background or border for OpacMainUserBlock content?
14:55 mtj A custom background or border for OpacMainUserBlock content… that doesnt exist?!
14:56 oleonard mtj: Consider an OPAC where the content changes, but the CSS is static.
14:56 oleonard Sometimes there is something in OpacMainUserBlock, sometimes there isn't.
14:56 oleonard Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it never happens. But it seems like there are better ways to solve your particular problem.
14:57 oleonard I liked cait's suggestion of a comment if you're unable to put meaningful content there for non-js users.
14:59 cait I think I am with oleonard
14:59 mtj meh, its a pretty brittle/unsatisfing solultion to me
14:59 cait having something around without content seems weird tome :)
14:59 cait only blowing up the html
14:59 cait even yes, tiny little bit
15:00 mtj if its a useful patch, the increase in size is worth it
15:01 mtj and, its not weird - its *useful*
15:01 cait :)
15:03 oleonard mtj: If the addition of a couple of small comments to your system prefs is too onerous, perhaps you could look at different ways of enhancing the existing markup to provide the hooks you need
15:04 mtj well, thats a good alternative idea, thanks
15:07 mtj i'll see if i can add some extra ids to existing elements
15:07 cait slides?
15:07 wahanui kf should be writing slides
15:08 cait study is <reply> Go back to your books!
15:08 cait study?
15:08 wahanui Go back to wahanui's books!
15:08 cait um.
15:08 cait forget study
15:08 wahanui cait: I forgot study
15:08 oleonard wahanui: It's always about you isn't it?
15:08 wahanui i haven't a clue, oleonard
15:08 cait study is <reply> Go back to \your books!
15:08 cait study?
15:08 wahanui Go back to your books!
15:08 oleonard How could this book possibly be worth $1/page?
15:12 Dyrcona oleonard: Only $34 for the ebook! What a bargain! :p
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15:14 drojf Tips for using rotating banner ads to draw attention to website content,  a technique which brought in 3,000+ page views for a post about the new  library catalog
15:14 drojf yes, we need a lot of that
15:15 drojf i nominate this the most useless book of the day
15:18 drojf i hope they have a page or two about "how to make friends by not displaying your opac to people that have cookies disabled"
15:18 drojf because that is what they do
15:20 jcamins Huh?
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15:22 jcamins Why wouldn't you display an OPAC to people with cookies disabled?
15:22 jcamins I can see not allowing logins, but not displaying?
15:23 drojf i have no idea. inferior library system?
15:23 magnuse hey, they published a short book, so you don't have to read a long one, which will save you time and time is, as we all know, money. makes perfect sense!
15:23 drojf i get to see the opac for a second and then i get an error
15:24 drojf aaaah. right! that explains it, magnuse. and not seeing the opac saves me time to
15:24 drojf too
15:24 magnuse yup
15:24 drojf geniuses
15:24 magnuse saves you from reading more long books, in fact
15:24 drojf true
15:24 oleonard Why would you create a whole new version of which shows a blank page if you have JS disabled?
15:25 drojf lol
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15:26 drojf oleonard: i assume it is because google analytics needs js. why would you offer free content to people you cannot track?
15:29 * oleonard hopes the folks at least see our no-cookie visits in their logs to make them think
15:31 drojf yeah. right :P
15:31 oleonard :)
15:46 * oleonard cheers!
15:46 oleonard Bug 9420
15:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Work on Bootstrap for Koha
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16:03 reiveune bye
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16:11 tcohen hi, is there a way to create an SQL report with a user provided value that is used several times?
16:11 jcamins I don't think there is.
16:12 tcohen i think there should :-P
16:13 jcamins Yeah, that would definitely make sense.
16:16 tcohen are we allowed to do things like SET @var = 2012; within reports?
16:16 jcamins I don't think that works.
16:17 tcohen it does :-D
16:17 jcamins Really? Cool!
16:17 tcohen (in mysql, didn't check on the reports)
16:18 tcohen (sorry)
16:18 jcamins Oh.
16:18 jcamins I was going to be very impressed that our reports interface was sufficiently intelligent to allow for variables.
16:20 tcohen for SQL reports it doesnt sound difficult
16:21 tcohen we could have a small form for adding variables, right?
16:21 jcamins Makes sense to me.
16:39 rambutan fwiw :[…]n-house-in-order/
16:46 oleonard rambutan: So I shouldn't use WebKit as the rendering engine for the standalone Windows Koha client I've been developing in secret?
16:52 cait_afk oleonard++
16:53 cait_afk I don't know how you do it - getting so much done, but very glad you can :)
16:53 oleonard By neglecting everything around me usually ;)
16:53 cait_afk heh as long as it works :)
16:54 cait_afk well... 4 of my 6 assignments are done...
16:54 cait_afk study?
16:54 wahanui Go back to your books!
16:58 cait_afk *grump*
17:06 gmcharlt @quote random
17:06 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #60: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." (added by gmcharlt at 05:31 PM, February 19, 2010)
17:06 oleonard Well that's out of date now
17:07 gmcharlt but it clearly needs to stick around so that she can be properly embarassed the first time she joins #koha ;)
17:08 oleonard How about "Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control"
17:08 jcamins Hehe.
17:08 gmcharlt @quote add <oleonard> How about "Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control"
17:08 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #233 added.
17:36 cait_afk :)
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18:18 tcohen jcamins_away: is SET @val = XX ; "too mysqlish"?
18:22 tcohen #koha?
18:24 cait_afk tcohen: if we worry about that... maybe it could be a 'koha syntax' that just adds the variable at the right places in the sql?
18:25 cait_afk or maybe even easier
18:25 cait_afk for placeholders with the same name, replace them not only once, but every time they occur in the sql
18:26 cait_afk so if you have <<Library|branches>> and a bit further down the same again, show only one field in Koha and replace twice
18:26 tcohen cait_afk: i was thinking of a small form for creating variables for SQL and a + button to insert them
18:26 tcohen (in the code)
18:27 cait_afk not sure I understand how that would work. hm.
18:27 cait_afk so this is different to our current runtime parameters?
18:27 tcohen first, replace every occurence of a variable for the same value (as you suggest)
18:27 tcohen second, provide a way to make it harder to misspell them
18:28 jcamins_away I like cait_afk's suggestion.
18:28 tcohen yeah, me tooo, its cleaner, right?
18:30 cait_afk i was thinking it miht be easier to understand for people who are not so technical
18:30 jcamins_away Exactly.
18:30 * jcamins_away leaves.
18:31 tcohen bien chbien hce
18:31 cait_afk huh? :)
18:31 tcohen I have focus problems
18:31 cait_afk ah not only you
18:31 * cait_afk goes back to her books with a loud sigh
18:32 tcohen lol
18:35 tcohen cait_afk: i hate it when I find this kind of code inside Koha's source...
18:35 cait_afk hm?
18:36 tcohen nevermind
18:39 cait_afk scare the qam and then nevermind :P
18:42 tcohen too much code on the .pl and no .pm for this specific functionality
18:42 tcohen that's all
18:47 cait_afk ah
18:47 cait_afk yeah, probably older code
18:47 cait_afk soem of the guided reports code is ....
18:47 cait_afk and not very friendly about translations on top of everything.
18:48 tcohen exactly
18:51 tcohen bye #koha
18:51 tcohen cait_afk: i'll fill a bug on this as soon as i get home, i promise patch for tomorrow, tennis session ahead
18:51 cait_afk nice have fun :)
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19:24 Dyrcona @later tell jcamins_away Fun with legacy data:
19:24 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
19:35 oleonard Is there more we could do to optimize caching of Koha resources which don't change, like images, css, js?
19:36 jcamins_away oleonard: we could probably improve our Apache/nginx configuration.
19:36 jcamins_away Dyrcona: fun indeed.
19:37 Dyrcona jcamins_away: Fortunately, I'm not the one dealing with it directly but offering advice to the sucker^Wadministrator over IRC.
19:44 oleonard I see we do have 'ExpiresDefault "access plus 1 year"' for the koha-tmpl directory
19:45 cait_afk Dyrcona: at least you got indicators :P
19:45 jcamins_away True.
19:45 Dyrcona :)
19:45 * oleonard should stop poking his nose into things he doesn't understand...
19:45 Dyrcona I don't know what ILS they come from originally, but I know it was proprietary.
19:47 jcamins_away Dyrcona: ezcat or atriuum, I think.
19:48 Dyrcona jcamins_away: So you've that kind of damage before, then?
19:49 * jcamins_away hasn't used data from ezcat or atriuum, but I've seen it.
19:49 cait_afk oleonard: which things are you looking at?
19:49 oleonard server configuration options to improve caching of static resources
19:50 oleonard except I'm not, because I stopped
19:50 oleonard I ask politely that someone smarter than me do so :)
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19:54 cait_afk :)
19:54 cait_afk you are pretty smart - but maybe someone with a different area of expertise
19:54 cait_afk or something like that :)
19:55 drojf studyß
19:55 drojf study?
19:55 wahanui Go back to your books!
19:56 * wizzyrea waves
19:56 drojf why am i always to weak to hit shift for the '?'?
19:56 oleonard drojf: Don't interrupt cait_afk when she's telling me how smart I am! :P
19:57 drojf sorry :)
19:57 drojf it was meant for me actually
19:57 oleonard I'll bet wizzyrea knows all about configuring servers for smart caching of static resources
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20:02 cait_afk heh
20:02 * cait_afk waves
20:02 cait_afk i am having dinner... back to study? after that
20:02 drojf ha. that's what you think
20:03 drojf i had dinner and now i am tired and lazy and hang around here
20:03 cait_afk no, that's waht I know, - so close now!
20:03 cait_afk send in 5 out of 6 I had to send in :)
20:03 cait_afk can't give up now, can I?
20:03 drojf no, you can't
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20:04 jcamins_away wizzyrea++
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20:29 gaetan_B it seems koha only sends the account details email when you have manually filled the userid and password for a new borrower, am i wrong ?
20:31 cait_afk in my tests it only worked for new borrowers - filling in all data in the big formI think
20:32 cait_afk you can't resend it later with the password change functionality or something like that
20:32 cait_afk it's a dangerous feature anyway :(
20:32 jcamins_away Borrower details e-mail?
20:32 jcamins_away I think you can disable it.
20:34 rangi morning
20:34 cait_afk yep
20:34 cait_afk you have to activate it - it's off by default
20:34 cait_afk but when you do goes out to all new patrons, regardless of category
20:34 rangi excellent, that is how it should be
20:34 cait_afk morning rangi
20:34 jcamins_away So, leave it disabled.
20:35 cait_afk I do :) just telling gaetan_B that this feature is not ideal
20:35 * jcamins_away does not see any problem with it.
20:35 cait_afk not in a bug kind of way :)
20:35 jcamins_away I don't have it on, and it doesn't do anything, just the way I want it.
20:36 cait_afk jcamins_away: yep, that's the functionality part, but there is always a different story to things beside the technical details :)
20:36 gaetan_B actuallly cait_afk i'm ok with how it works now, except for the fact it doesn't seem to send emails if you haven't filled the userid and password fields, which Koha then fill up automatically
20:36 cait_afk gaetan_B: yeah, I don't like it because I think sending paswords plain text is not nice
20:36 gaetan_B i thought it was a neat way to inform the patron of is userid and password without having the librarian typing them in the system
20:36 cait_afk and we don't force people to change their passwords
20:37 gaetan_B i thought of it as a way of initializing the account
20:37 cait_afk yeah, I can understand why people want it - but I would like it better as a one time password they have to change maybe :) but that's just me apparently :)
20:37 jcamins_away cait_afk: I see no use for the e-mail at all, so I don't care either way.
20:37 gaetan_B the library can always modify the message to say patrons should log-on and modify their password now they have an account
20:38 gaetan_B anyway, i was just wondering if it was normal that Koha doesn't send the email if you let it autofill the userid and password
20:38 gaetan_B it seems it is :)
20:38 cait_afk yep
20:38 rangi sending passwords in the clear is always always always a bad idea
20:39 jcamins_away With the existence of Mozilla Persona, I would argue that having Koha manage logins is a bad idea.
20:39 rangi but that is at least necessary for the time being
20:39 rangi not everyone has an email
20:39 jcamins_away True.
20:39 jcamins_away I'm not suggesting we eliminate the passwords.
20:40 cait_afk and not everyone can run their own persona server
20:40 rangi speaking of passwords
20:40 rangi the patch from srikanth will make them a lot more secure
20:40 rangi (its totally feasible to brute force md5 for 8 or less chars now)
20:41 rangi and i bet 90% of ppl have short passwords :)
20:41 cait_afk ew
20:41 cait_afk sadly we still cant force them to rset
20:41 cait_afk reset
20:41 rangi no but when its accepted
20:41 rangi ill do a followup
20:41 rangi so on login
20:41 jcamins_away rangi: hasn't that been possible for a long time?
20:41 rangi yes but the time taken is feasible enough to make it worth while now
20:42 jcamins_away Ah.
20:42 rangi so the followup ill do is whenever someone logs in, it reencodes their password into bcrypt
20:42 rangi so at least people using them, will get their passwords tidied up
20:43 jcamins_away Nice!
20:43 rangi for now, it is only new passwords, and ones that people change
20:43 rangi which is a good start
20:43 cait_afk it's agood start :)
20:43 rangi but there's no reason we can't make it tidy up old ones when it sees them
20:43 cait_afk I didn't intend to say it wasn't - it's a really good thing
20:44 rangi oh i didnt think you had
20:45 wizzyrea right, not everyone has an email, especially in public libraries
20:45 wizzyrea you really can't assume ane mail address.
20:45 jcamins_away I was not suggesting that we eliminate passwords.
20:45 wizzyrea i'm just reiterating.
20:45 wizzyrea :)
20:45 jcamins_away What I'm saying is if you want to be serious about security, use something designed by security experts.
20:46 rangi hence the shift to bcrypt :)
20:48 rangi but yep i hope that eventually persona is the default (or somethign like it) and local passwords the exception
20:48 rangi for now i just hope persona has staved off any idea to do a login with facebook or something mad :-)
20:48 jcamins_away lol
20:48 wizzyrea oh god not a facebook login.
21:00 rambutan @seen bag
21:00 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <bag> that doesn't change the mapping - but you are correct - you should not change the mapping (it's still hardcoded in some places - like the indexing files)
21:00 bag I'm around
21:00 bag hi
21:09 cjh hahaha koha facebook login
21:09 kathryn you're a kohaface
21:15 oleonard Some nice Open Source advocacy:
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21:19 rangi
21:19 rangi who wants to sign koha up to that?
21:19 * wizzyrea sees openhatch and is reminded of feeding babies
21:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #64 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:21 Dyrcona rangi++
21:21 rangi huh?
21:21 Dyrcona I'm asking the Evergreen community on g+ what they think of signing up to openhatch.
21:22 rangi ahh well i only spotted that from oleonards link :)
21:22 * jcamins_away thinks that signing Koha up to openhatch is a great idea, and looks forward to the appearance of new developers.
21:22 Dyrcona rangi: I saw it in there, too, but after you mentioned it in channel
21:23 * rangi was hinting he wanted someone else to sign koha up so he didnt have to :)
21:23 jcamins_away rangi: so I guess what you're saying is that my hinting was not too subtle to be understood as "not me"?
21:23 jcamins_away :)
21:24 rangi hehe
21:25 Dyrcona oleonard++ # if a bit late. :p
21:26 rangi :)
21:28 drojf i think the vote for GSoC is "no"
21:29 rangi hmm 1 no, and a lot of silence
21:30 rangi ive done gsoc mentoring before, it does take a lot of time but if there was more than me id try again
21:31 * jcamins_away doesn't particularly agree with slef's position, but is not volunteering to coordinate.
21:31 rangi i think gmcharlt volunteered to coordinate
21:32 drojf lol
21:32 jcamins_away Oh, I thought he said he _had_ coordinated.
21:32 rangi sounds like volunteering to me
21:32 rangi hehe
21:32 jcamins_away Heh.
21:32 * jcamins_away would probaby not be a good "official" mentor.
21:33 jcamins_away But I'd help out with the "getting started with developing Koha," since I do that a lot.
21:33 oleonard See you later #koha
21:34 * jcamins_away leaves as well.
21:34 jcamins_away Good night, #koha.
21:34 drojf ok so that is rangi, gmcharlt and jcamins_away volunteering.
21:34 drojf cool
21:35 jcamins_away drojf: but if you're counting me as a mentor, you have to find someone else to be the head mentor.
21:35 drojf what body part mentor does that make you? :D
21:35 jcamins_away So I'm almost like a negative volunteer, since my participation requires an additional person be involved.
21:36 drojf no, you are one of the enthusiastic flagships of volunteering that will attract others
21:36 drojf and suddenly everybody wants to be a mentor
21:37 drojf maybe we can convince people that places are limited. and they have to sleep in a tent for three days waiting at the entrance to get a mentor job
21:37 cait_afk lol
21:49 cjh heh
21:51 wizzyrea when did we turn into apple?
22:00 rangi koya uni should document what they do and/or hire someone to support for them
22:05 rambutan so it looks like to implement Mozilla persona on a koha web site (OPAC) it's simply a matter of putting the js code on the base page?[…]rsona/Quick_Setup
22:06 cait_afk rambutan: rangi did it already - there is a patch waiting for qa I think
22:07 rambutan OK, but independent of the patch, it seems like just putting the code on the base page of the OPAC should work, right?
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22:08 rangi no
22:08 rambutan that's like, "N" "O" no?
22:08 bgkriegel Hello
22:08 wahanui what's up, bgkriegel
22:08 rangi you have to cehck the assertion handed back, and if it is valid create a session for them in koha
22:08 rangi bug 9587
22:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9587 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Allow login via mozilla persona -
22:09 rambutan oh
22:09 rambutan OH
22:09 rangi you can see the code there
22:09 rambutan OK, well rangi++
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22:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , country in CSV in
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22:39 gaetan_B bye !
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22:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , country in CSV in
22:54 dcook Whoa...there is a Koha list & site for francophones? Sweeet
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22:59 bag ha
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23:10 dcook To get listed as a support company, you need to send an email of introduction to the General Koha mailing list?
23:11 rangi thats right
23:11 rangi include as much info as you can, best if you can send a couple of urls to show you have actually done a koha install :)
23:12 drojf heh
23:13 dcook Sounds good. Thanks, rangi
23:16 jcamins_away dcook: and your site should make it clear that you support the open source Koha software and not something else, ideally.
23:16 cait_afk and link back to the community
23:18 bag and stand on one foot and chew gum at the same time
23:18 bag geeze :P
23:18 dcook Haha, bag
23:19 dcook The site is actually pretty good about that, it seems. Several links back to the community and explicit mention that it's open source and belongs to the community ;)
23:19 bag you're more than golden IMO
23:20 dcook Thanks, bag :)
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23:21 drojf lol
23:22 bag I'm a bit sarcastic today - sorry it will pass
23:22 * bag feels like a ninja behing the keyboard today - good thing this isn't a talking channel
23:23 bag damn typos
23:24 dcook I always figured library tech people to be akin to ninjas (especially as opposed to pirates)
23:25 rangi the other major thing to remember
23:25 rangi being listed implies utterly no endorsement
23:26 bag well besides saying you're awesome!  but yeah no endorsement we can subtract that utterly - it means no endorsement
23:26 drojf that is why i would give you the direct country link that shows my company. you don't have to read about the "no endorsement" thing then
23:27 rangi heh
23:27 dcook We've never really had to worry much about advertising. I'd just like it to be mentioned that we're part of the community
23:28 bag yeah we love the word of mouth :)  better than any endorsement
23:28 dcook Exactly
23:32 rangi the rules are to stop the things that don't want to build up that word of mouth or get involved in the community
23:32 rangi but want a listing so they can go
23:32 rangi "look im an official company"
23:32 dcook For sure. I'm all in favour of rules :D
23:33 rangi so everyone has to play by the same rules even tho we know some companies are much more involved than others
23:33 dcook I think this community and the name of Koha are both really important, and I think whatever can help keep them both in good standing in the larger world is important
23:33 drojf i did not know we had so many spanish support companies
23:33 dcook drojf: I know, right?
23:33 * dcook apparently likes to repeat the word important a lot
23:33 rangi heh
23:34 bag or is that just kidding
23:34 drojf ha that goes right into the newsletter
23:36 bag hey any of you going to the french hackfest?
23:36 * dcook wishes
23:36 bag bummer that is right after the freeze - but really good that it is right after the freeze so we can concentrate on bugs :)
23:36 dcook :D
23:37 jcamins_away bag: that was the point.
23:37 bag actually should help focus
23:37 jcamins_away Exactly.
23:38 bag yeah timing is weird sometimes
23:39 bag jcamins_away you planning on going to reno?
23:39 jcamins_away At present, yes.
23:39 bag presenting?
23:39 jcamins_away I haven't decided.
23:39 jcamins_away Probably.
23:39 bag but at least you thought about it
23:40 bag I had an idea awhile ago that I talked about doing with rangi - but I can't remember that at all right now
23:40 bag good thing I wrote that down somewhere
23:40 rangi heh
23:41 rangi im gonna do "from librarian to coder, in 1 hour"
23:41 rangi for the hackfest
23:41 jcamins_away rangi: excellent, that means I don't have to do that one.
23:41 bag maybe it was the secret way to get listed as a koha support company…
23:42 bag I'd like to do gossip hour - tell the real story of koha from 4 years ago
23:42 dcook :o
23:42 * dcook wonders if there is a secret handshake and knock as well
23:42 bag the knock is submit patches :P
23:44 dcook Well, at least I'm in the door...:p
23:44 rangi that gossip session could be fun
23:45 dcook Wow...the plan is for a rather long conference
23:45 * dcook is not opposed to this idea
23:45 rangi thats how long they always are :)
23:45 rangi 3 days conf
23:45 rangi 1 day off, 3 days hackfest
23:46 rangi at least since 2010 anyway, 2009 didnt have the day off bit
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23:46 rangi 2006 had 2 days conf, 5 days hackfest
23:48 jcamins_away I'm not sure yet if I'll come to the entire thing.
23:49 jcamins_away Go to, rather.
23:50 drojf i would
23:50 drojf unfortunately i don't see that happening for me
23:50 dcook I like the day off idea, rangi
23:50 dcook Mind you, I'm probably going to take a week or two off afterwards and try to see family and friends while I'm in NA
23:50 rangi we try to do something cultural/unique to the area
23:50 dcook Ahh, group bonding time? :p
23:50 rangi its the most important part of the conf
23:50 rangi imho
23:51 rangi the presentations and stuff are cool
23:51 rangi but its the talking over beers or coffees
23:51 rangi that is the bit that reinforces community
23:51 jcamins_away ^^ that's the part I'm interested in.
23:51 drojf and standing in the rain in scotland
23:51 rangi hehe yes
23:51 rangi we did a lot of that
23:51 drojf it was still fun :)
23:51 rangi usually between beers
23:52 bag yeah that's the times that are fun
23:52 bag when you really get to understand paul_p etc...
23:53 bag or have fun with rangi's accent
23:53 gmcharlt or imagining combining mine, rangi's, and paul_p's
23:54 rangi heh
23:54 rangi or go to baseball games
23:56 bag bag?
23:56 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
23:56 gmcharlt wahanui: speak up, we can't quite make that out
23:56 wahanui gmcharlt: excuse me?
23:56 drojf rangi?
23:56 drojf heh. love that one
23:56 dcook lol
23:56 bag October will be hard for baseball - since it will be world series time and most minor leagues are done at that time
23:57 bag yeah rangi bought those almonds at the farmers market here in Santa Barbara
23:57 rangi they were good!
23:57 * dcook can't remember rangi's accent, but really wondered how long he was going to speak Maori for at his Access presentation
23:57 rangi heh, gets them everytime
23:57 dcook It was great!
23:58 dcook I wish that I hadn't been so slammed at the time
23:58 bag rangi they've upgraded now - so they make more than just the almonds - like they make chocolate covered almonds  etc.
23:58 rangi[…]tml/slide015.html
23:58 rangi hehe
23:59 rangi and my favourite slide, from 2 days before the world cup final
23:59 rangi[…]tml/slide017.html
23:59 bag we all had a lot of fun in NOLA - asking rangi what he cooks on his deck (you know the back porch patio kind of thing)
23:59 bag oh that world cup final shot is awesome

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