Time Nick Message 23:29 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Advice for Beginners in the Koha Community http://t.co/xZKTmHRS" 23:29 jcamins I wonder if there's anything in bootstrap that would allow us to make the record view buttons on the OPAC more attractive and understandable. 23:18 jcamins_away drojf++ # nice e-mail 23:01 bag ha 22:46 drojf i wasn't aware that the url to rangi's blog post ends in »you-must-help-me-no« and not »now« :D 22:37 drojf :) 22:36 bag no you aren't 22:35 * drojf is a bad person 21:35 jcamins Bye. 21:35 jcamins Time to call it a day and head home. 21:28 koyauni hi guys, if I want to define a tag for biblionumber how do I do this, is there any link in documentation I can use please 21:23 cait bye all and have a good weekend :) 21:23 cait bed time :) 21:16 jcamins Or just Camins. 21:15 rambutan musta been somebody else 21:15 jcamins rambutan: No, I always use Camins-Esakov. 21:15 rambutan jcamins: do I remember you ever using jared camins-beh? 21:06 cait lol 21:06 drojf lol 21:05 jcamins That's why they ran out of S middle names for boys... they had spent all their time planning S first names for girls. :) 21:05 jcamins Right. 21:04 cait but.. you gotno sisters 21:04 jcamins The idea was that all the girls would have S first names and J middle names and the boys J first names and S middle names. 21:04 oleonard Have a good weekend everyone 21:04 jcamins Yeah. All my brothers (and my father) have first names starting with 'J.' My mother's name starts with an 'S.' 21:03 cait started with s? 21:03 jcamins Apparently my parents could only come up with two boys' names that started with 'S' that they both liked. 21:01 cait lol 21:01 jcamins Yup. 21:01 cait ran out of names? :) 21:01 jcamins I have a middle name and my next brother has a middle name, but the youngest two do not. 21:01 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (9:55 PM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 21:01 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:00 jcamins Hehe. 21:00 cait well, they got a geek, guess that was unexpected :) 20:59 cait my dad is always joking that they expected there had to be a third type... or something 20:59 senator my sister has three names for the very same reason 20:59 drojf hehe 20:58 jcamins Heh. 20:58 cait my sister got her second name from my mother, my brother got it from my dad... and when I was born they fell back to grandmothers 20:57 cait [off] katrin hildegard maria 20:57 cait yeah 20:57 jcamins cait: three names? 20:57 drojf three names? 20:57 cait hm I only have 3 names and one last name 20:56 senator jcamins: getting my passport renewed right now for the first time since changing my last name to the current hyphenated one. social security office had no objection at the time, but we'll see what the department of state says. wouldn't be surprised by inconsistency at all. 20:54 jcamins True. 20:53 drojf could have been worse :) 20:53 drojf i see 20:53 jcamins drojf: I have two last names instead of a hyphenated last name. 20:50 cait hm different name on passport? 20:50 drojf you don't exist outside of NY? 20:50 drojf how does that show? ;) 20:49 drojf not recognized as valid? 20:49 jcamins New York state recognizes my last name. 20:48 jcamins oleonard: yes. 20:48 oleonard Isn't admin/printers.pl being resurrected? 20:48 jcamins I don't think there are rules that apply to hyphenating names here in the US because my last name isn't recognized as valid by the government. 20:47 jcamins Yes. 20:46 cait but shari did keep her name, didn't she? 20:46 drojf ha love it 20:46 cait lol 20:46 jcamins [off] Johnstone-Perkins-Camins-Esakov would be quite a mouthful 20:46 cait I am sure some rules apply to that 20:46 cait lol 20:46 drojf (if two people with double names get married. would be fun) 20:46 jcamins Hehe. 20:45 drojf no idea of the numbers. i think it is not possible to quadruple the name though 20:45 jcamins That's starting to be done more here, I think. 20:45 cait although I think they can 20:45 drojf some don't 20:45 drojf some do 20:45 cait mostly women, seldomly men 20:45 cait jcamins: but yes, that's what people do -get marry, double up their names 20:45 drojf married 20:44 drojf but they don't want to get marries 20:44 drojf yes. you are not allowed to give your child both names if you are not married. applies to friends of mine at the moment, i think they would have considered it 20:44 jcamins I thought you meant that sometimes kids take both their parents' names. 20:44 jcamins That's not common here. 20:44 jcamins Oh, wait, you mean you take your spouse's name? 20:43 jcamins Same here. 20:43 cait drojf: that about right? 20:43 cait I think most of the time kids here ony have one name, but when you get married you take both sometimes 20:43 cait hm really uncommon 20:42 jcamins I have both my parents' last names. 20:42 jcamins cait: it is pretty uncommon. 20:42 drojf sorry, just kidding ;) 20:42 cait drojf: I am tired, it was not logical 20:41 cait isn't that pretty uncommon? :) 20:41 cait jcamins: why do you have a double last name? 20:41 cait much more common in europe I think than anywhere else 20:41 cait yeah 20:41 cait she chose a popular example, but there might be others where it's not that obvious 20:41 drojf luther-king? :) 20:41 drojf still you found the weird form logical :P 20:40 cait someone coudl have thought that Luther king was a double name 20:40 cait back ago 20:40 jcamins Nice librarians would have. :P 20:40 cait imagine people not knowing english so well 20:40 cait well 20:40 drojf i wouldn't have :D 20:40 cait and put it under L 20:39 cait you would have printed a second card 20:39 drojf craziness 20:39 cait think card catalogs 20:39 cait verweisungsform 20:39 drojf AH 20:39 drojf i know that that is the right one. what is verw than? 20:39 cait you only do a see also with Luther King, Martin to be nice 20:39 cait So King, Martin Luther is the right one 20:39 jcamins And I don't even know German! 20:39 jcamins Definitely reading it wrong. 20:39 drojf i am not sure if it is supposed to be showing how it is not done 20:39 cait Ans= Ansetzung 20:39 cait you are not readin git correctly 20:38 cait lol 20:38 cait ? 20:38 cait where did you find that 20:38 cait you are right 20:38 drojf nope? 20:38 cait but isn't that logical? 20:38 cait um 20:38 drojf i wouldn't find that ;) 20:38 drojf Luther King, Martin 20:36 cait I can live with that I think 20:36 cait ok :) 20:36 cait hehe 20:36 drojf also, weird. but interesting 20:36 drojf not now! that is quite interesting :) 20:36 cait pf 20:35 drojf there are moments when i do not regret having no librarian education 20:35 cait what? 20:35 * jcamins shakes his head. 20:35 jcamins "Fun." 20:35 cait it's her website :) 20:34 cait cool prof 20:34 cait ah, rak was fun 20:34 drojf sounds mildly attractive 20:34 drojf Regeln für die einzelnen Staaten s. § 314, 5 A - M (daraus als Beispiel): 20:32 cait but I don't knwo about the weird ways your aacr2 might file that :P 20:32 jcamins See, this is why having an IRC channel full of librarians helps. 20:32 jcamins :) 20:31 cait see: Broglie, Louis de 20:31 cait http://www.payer.de/rakwb/rakwb03.htm#3.1. 20:31 drojf rak n roll 20:31 cait according to rak I think 20:31 cait well 20:31 jcamins Not according to Princeton. 20:30 cait that's because it's right :P 20:30 * jcamins files under A. 20:30 jcamins I prefer cait's version. 20:30 jcamins I don't believe that. 20:30 jcamins no. 20:30 jcamins ... 20:30 jcamins Marques, Maximo de Azevedo? 20:30 wahanui hmmm... weird is normal after a while :) 20:30 jcamins Weird... 20:30 cait Azevedo Marques, Maximo de 20:30 drojf listen to cait 20:29 drojf but really, we have the same with 'von', but i don't remember if there is a "right" way or just a "consistent" way 20:29 cait A 20:28 drojf hm. i think you choose one and stick to it, then it is correct ;) 20:27 jcamins Azevedo Marques or de Azevedo Marques? 20:27 jcamins I can't figure out how to file "Maximo de Azevedo Marques." 20:26 jcamins Alas. gerundio is no longer here. 20:26 drojf not-berlin? yeah, i hate that place 20:26 cait i live in the wrong place 20:25 drojf i'm surprised to say that »Git Merge is a Git user conference held to bring together Git users and Git developers. This May we will be getting together in Berlin to improve the world of Git for everyone.« really does not sound completely off 20:25 drojf but i feel like a phone owner, true 20:24 cait details... 20:24 drojf i got nothing so far ;) 20:24 cait you got a phone :) 20:22 drojf much more fun that the reals spam i get… »No matter what your interests are, our robots have picked out events you're sure to love!«. thanks mozilla for outsourcing the appday stuff to eventbrite 20:20 jcamins lol 20:20 drojf this guy keeps spamming me with offers for YUI button replacement 20:09 cait oh 20:08 jcamins It sends an e-mail to the list. 20:08 cait I don't know the -m! 20:08 cait the -m? 20:08 cait oh 20:06 * jcamins had a feeling. 20:06 oleonard In particular, yes 20:05 jcamins The -m switch? 20:05 * oleonard heaps praise upon git-bz 19:58 jcamins oleonard: there was an objection that we should offer the option of not using Zebra, however since none of the objectors could be bothered to make it work any time in the past two years, they were overruled. 19:57 oleonard For some reason I thought there was an objection to removing it altogether... Maybe I'm thinking of something else 19:57 jcamins (the code was removed after it stopped working) 19:57 jcamins And it is no longer possible to choose to use NoZebra. 19:57 jcamins For example, the NoZebra code in one of the searches was removed. 19:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed 19:57 oleonard Bug 7440 19:56 jcamins The code is still there, but it has not worked _at all_ since before 3.8, at the very latest. 19:55 cait not only deprecate but really remove it I mean? 19:55 jcamins There are still bits of NoZebra code, sadly. 19:55 cait did we officially remove no zebra by now? 19:55 jcamins It doesn't do anything. 19:55 cait I think it could maybe be removed? 19:55 jcamins Hmm... I don't think so. 19:55 cait hmm 19:55 oleonard Is admin/stopwords.tt still in use? 19:54 jcamins It's second on my list. 19:54 * oleonard owes bkriegel multiple beers 19:54 cait i was just going to ask you :) 19:54 jcamins I may be pushing that tonight. 19:54 cait ah 19:54 oleonard And the acquisitions ones will need to be based on the new acquisitions nav structure 19:53 jcamins bgkriegel has spent the past two days testing oleonard's patches. 19:53 cait i thinmk some aremore complicated like the floating menu in cataloging? 19:53 cait who did? 19:53 cait oh cool 19:53 oleonard I have five more patches to rebase and post, then 9 or 10 other pages to work on. 19:52 drojf woah they are mostly signed off already. cool 19:52 cait ok, time to throw together some dinner, brb. 19:52 jcamins Are we close? 19:52 drojf heh 19:52 jcamins Hehe. 19:52 cait lol 19:52 cait hehe 19:52 * oleonard looks forward to the bug report complaining that all the YUI buttons are gone 19:52 jcamins :D 19:52 cait yay I closed a bug! 19:51 jcamins Thanks! 19:51 cait done 19:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9638 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-zebraqueue-ctl.sh and zebraqueue_daemon.pl missing in latest stable release (installer-source) koha-3.10.02.tar.gz 19:49 jcamins Could someone please update bug 9638 to inform Nikumbh that zebraqueue_daemon was deprecated for years and has been removed intentionally? 19:44 cait yeah of course 19:44 jcamins Best of all would be if they were dealt with prior to the feature slush. 19:43 jcamins Please do! 19:43 cait i might start looking at them tho... too tempting 19:43 jcamins I'll let you know around March 14. 19:43 cait just think about it and letme know tomorrow or omnday or whatever? :) 19:43 jcamins As opposed to any of the 200 other patches currently either signed off or awaiting sign off. 19:43 cait yeah 19:43 jcamins If those patches are considered "enhancements," during the hackfest, the QA team would need to concentrate on handling them. 19:42 cait and maybe something with caffeine 19:42 cait I shouldmake dinner :) 19:42 cait not sure I can follow you 19:42 jcamins I can wait another month to decide, of course. 19:41 cait maybe 19:41 cait ah 19:41 jcamins So that during the hackfest the QA team could focus on other code. 19:41 wahanui the patches are on the bug 19:41 cait the patches 19:41 cait they should not be hard to qa I think 19:41 cait hm? 19:41 jcamins I was more thinking for QA than for new patches, though. 19:41 cait and not only part of it 19:41 cait itmakes sense to replace all menus 19:41 cait jcamins: i would be ok with that if we can't finish it before 19:40 wahanui feature freeze is probably march 22nd 2013 19:40 jcamins cait: feature freeze. 19:40 cait or just after feature freeze? 19:39 rangi i wont be porting them to 3.10 and 3.8 19:39 cait jcamins: you want to port them back down? 19:38 jcamins I mean, if tablesorter and YUI are both deprecated, using them is deifnitely a bug. 19:37 jcamins oleonard: I was thinking... should your Bootstrap/datatables patches actually be considered "bugfixes"? 19:26 jcamins That sounds wonderful. 19:26 jcamins At 2:30? 19:26 cait oleonard: go and have some weekend? :) 19:13 drojf morning is a state of cat 19:13 cait just double checking... 19:13 cait Morning? 19:13 cait heh 19:13 jcamins Now with correct punctuation. 19:13 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast. 19:13 jcamins morning. 19:12 jcamins Hah! 19:12 wahanui Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast. 19:12 jcamins morning. 19:11 cait hmpf. 19:11 cait forget \morning. 19:11 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching morning 19:11 cait wahanui: forget morning. 19:11 cait forget morning. 19:11 jcamins I've been outsmarted by a bot which just repeats things. 19:11 wahanui morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance 19:11 cait morning. 19:11 cait morning? 19:11 cait grr. indeed. 19:11 jcamins Grr. 19:11 wahanui ...but morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance... 19:11 jcamins wahanui: no, Morning. is <reply> Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast. 19:10 wahanui hmmm... morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance 19:10 jcamins morning. 19:10 wahanui ...but morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance... 19:10 jcamins wahanui: no, Morning. is Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast. 19:10 wahanui morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance 19:10 jcamins morning. 19:10 jcamins no, Morning. is Ah, morning, the cat must be wanting breakfast. 19:10 wahanui rumour has it morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance 19:10 jcamins morning. 19:10 jcamins Hm. 19:10 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning 19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning? 19:09 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning* 19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning* 19:09 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning 19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning.. 19:09 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning\ 19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning\. 19:09 wahanui Morning. is probably possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance 19:09 jcamins Morning. 19:09 jcamins morning? 19:09 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching morning 19:09 jcamins wahanui: forget Morning. 19:09 wahanui cait: I forgot morning 19:09 cait forget Morning. 19:09 cait that would have been my next try :) 19:09 drojf jcamins' mornings are different 19:09 wahanui hmmm... Morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance 19:09 jcamins Morning.? 19:09 cait hm. 19:09 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:09 cait Morning? 19:08 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:08 cait morning? 19:08 cait hi rangi 19:08 wahanui well, Morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance 19:08 jcamins Morning. 19:08 oleonard Hi rangi 19:06 rangi morning 19:06 rangi heh 19:06 rangi 9 18:56 oleonard You came on too strong alohabot 18:52 alohabot Hi mib_ir3w55, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 18:14 jcamins Single quotes are much more common than double quotes. 18:14 jcamins For translation purposes, Javascript should always be enclosed in double-quotes, so you'll need to go with option 2. 18:12 gerundio betting on door #2 18:12 gerundio I was thinking what would be the best way: backslash escape VS replace for single quotes 18:12 jcamins Probably backslash. 18:12 jcamins I'm not sure how to escape double quotes. 18:11 jcamins Oh. 18:11 gerundio jcamins, the other way around, but that's it :D 18:11 jcamins gerundio: that probably means there's a single quote where there should be a double quote. 18:11 gerundio do the translations accept escaping double quotes? 18:10 gerundio I'm getting a JS script error in the homepage because of a badly quoted translation 18:09 gerundio and in order to have a 3 column design the div on the right has 2 divs inside 18:09 gerundio for me it just doesn't seem natural to have 2 divs side by side via CSS margins 18:08 oleonard (in my experience anyway) 18:08 gerundio that's no even my issue with it 18:07 oleonard gerundio: YUI grids are quite unfriendly to designs in which one wants full-column background colors, but unfortunately so are most CSS grids 18:04 gerundio oleonard, I get that, I looked into Yahoo's grid builder 18:03 gerundio it doesn't show in PT but it shows in EN 18:03 oleonard gerundio: The OPAC (like the staff client) uses YUI CSS grids for layout, and unfortunately they are not all things to all people. 18:02 gerundio I deactivated the cart 18:02 gerundio btw, just noticed a strange behaviour 18:02 gerundio an easier approach would be to have a main div with 3 divs inside, something like left, center and right 18:01 gerundio we have the yui-main side by side with yui-b (left opacnav area) 18:00 gerundio there's no main container with 3 columns in it 18:00 gerundio the main content area on the homepage is very odd 18:00 gerundio oleonard, other thing with all those yui classes 17:56 oleonard gerundio: I see, though I don't know why it's like that 17:54 gerundio from that page and the homepage 17:54 drojf look, it's raining more buttons 17:54 gerundio and compare the position of the 2 logos 17:54 gerundio https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=25431 17:54 gerundio take a look at this book description page 17:53 gerundio the opaccredits description says: "Include the following HTML in the footer of all pages in the OPAC" 17:53 gerundio oleonard, a couple of things 17:52 gerundio drojf, weird indeed :| 17:52 drojf works fine (little slow) with the ip wahanui gave. looks like there is some old dns cache thingy going on 17:52 oleonard What was that all about wahanui? 17:50 wahanui opac.fct.unl.pt is 193.136.126.111 17:50 drojf ** server can't find opac.fct.unl.pt: NXDOMAIN 17:50 drojf Address: 85.214.20.141#53 17:50 drojf Server: 85.214.20.141 17:50 drojf nslookup opac.fct.unl.pt 17:49 drojf i can get fct.unl.pt btw 17:49 drojf other stuff works fine 17:49 gerundio what does a nslookup query say about opac.fct.unl.pt? 17:49 drojf so far = before this 17:48 drojf oleonard: i did not notice dns problems so far but could be 17:48 wahanui jcamins: SCSI's too wide. 17:48 jcamins excuse? 17:48 oleonard drojf: Your internet pipe is probably full for the day. 17:48 oleonard drojf: DNS problem? Works for me. 17:47 wahanui drojf: I forgot server not found 17:47 drojf wahanui: forget Server not found 17:47 wahanui Server not found is a different error to what you described before 17:47 drojf Server not found 17:47 drojf gerundio: Iceweasel can't find the server at opac.fct.unl.pt. 17:47 gerundio drojf, doesn't load, like you get 404? 17:47 oleonard gerundio: Feel free to file a bug if you have suggestions about how it could be improved from a customization point of view 17:46 jcamins gerundio: it's getting better, thanks to oleonard. 17:46 gerundio jcamins++ 17:46 gerundio btw, the HTML generated by Koha is not very friendly 17:46 gerundio so there are probably lots of issues in the inner pages 17:45 gerundio our designer just worked on the homepage 17:45 gerundio jcamins, thanks for the feedback 17:45 * jcamins hopes you wanted thoughts like that. :) 17:44 jcamins *search 17:44 jcamins And rounded the edges of the Search button on advanced searhc. :) 17:44 drojf does not load for me 17:44 jcamins :D 17:44 jcamins And styled the "save" button for lists in the search results screen. 17:44 jcamins Also that it would be better if you fixed the cart button. 17:44 jcamins Yes: nice! 17:43 gerundio any thoughts? 17:43 gerundio hey guys, we just uploaded the new look & feel for our Koha installation: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/ 17:42 drojf must get really crowded in the button retirement home 17:41 oleonard And maybe more, if we want to start styling other buttons in Bootstrap style 17:41 oleonard And now we'll use Bootstrap buttons on a lot of pages :) 17:40 jcamins oleonard: we used YUI buttons on a lot of pages, didn't we? 17:27 jcamins I use my client's computer on Fridays, and rather than worry about web browser settings, I just use portable Chrome. 17:27 rambutan check 17:26 rambutan well, I need to chek it out 17:26 jcamins rambutan: yeah. 17:26 rambutan Chrome portable? like Portable Apps? 17:26 jcamins Heh. 17:25 kf bye all and have a nice weekend! 17:24 oleonard Speaking of LibreOffice, some good news for them: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130213/10093021963/microsoft-makes-retail-versions-office-single-install.shtml 17:22 jcamins Nope. 17:21 oleonard I hope you're not waiting for that to update too jcamins? 17:20 jcamins Apparently LibreOffice 4.0 has been released. 17:18 jcamins bgkriegel++ 17:13 * jcamins waits impatiently for Chrome portable to update. 17:13 jcamins :P 17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Authority matching algorithm improvements 17:13 jcamins My tl;dr summary was so long it had a tl;dr summary on bug 7284. 17:13 kf and the test plan is not so hard, you can ignoret my atempt to explain why it was broken 17:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9620 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , IncludeSeeFromInSearches ON and data in $9 subfields can break indexing 17:12 kf bug 9620 might sound a bit insane... but as it is a real problem for us it would be really nice if someone would consider testing it :) 17:12 jcamins kf: there are many things that people can compete with me on, but I have to warn you that you are almost certain to lose that one. 17:12 * kf feels like competing with jcamins for longest commit mesage 17:06 oleonard I figured I'd get around to it eventually you know, if nothing good was on TV 17:06 drojf lol 17:06 jcamins So, oleonard, I guess you weren't really looking forward to Bootstrap getting into Koha, were you? :P 16:59 jcamins kf: I know, but I thought he might have forgotten. ;) 16:58 drojf [off] i dont think my brain capacity is enough to test anything today. i had a horrible night if you would call it that at all. i think this day is over soon for me 16:58 kf jcamins: he is one, I am sure all warnings are lost 16:58 jcamins drojf: watch out... germs _are_ contagious. 16:57 drojf i know ;) 16:57 kf was more looking for an innocent tester :) 16:57 drojf good to know though 16:57 drojf kf: we do not have authorities so far. i think that will not happen very soon, so you have that fixed by then. i trust you :) 16:56 kf drojf: could happen to you too by the way... 16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9620 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , IncludeSeeFromInSearches ON and data in $9 subfields can break rebulid_zebra.pl 16:55 kf bug 9620 16:54 kf testing my patch ... it's ok 16:54 jcamins What do you mean? 16:53 drojf a famous hunter once said something like: you can turn your back on a person, but you can never turn your back on MARC 16:53 kf jcamins: is there an easy way to check that marc really included the 400 for other fields? 16:51 kf leaving ship captain? ts. 16:51 jcamins Why do you think I'm abandoning MARC? :P 16:50 kf if that's true you are going ot have weird data soon too *muahaha* ;) 16:50 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 16:50 jcamins germs? 16:50 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 16:50 jcamins germs? 16:50 jcamins No, you Germans have no one to blame but yourself for that. :P 16:49 kf well, he is not to blame for our weird data 16:47 * kf fixes jcamins code :P 16:47 jcamins Oh, kf already said that. 16:46 oleonard Joubu++ 16:46 jcamins joubu 16:46 kf Joubu 16:46 oleonard I always forget Jonathan's IRC nick 16:45 kf lol okok :) 16:45 kf I think Jonathan qa'd? 16:45 oleonard kf: What about all the cookies you supplied me with? 16:45 kf I was not helpful with that :) 16:45 oleonard Because without your help I couldn't have gotten the first Bootstrap patch in :) 16:44 oleonard kf++ 16:44 oleonard jcamins++ 16:44 kf i should get a shortcut for that :) 16:44 kf oleonard++ :) 16:39 jcamins oleonard++ 16:39 oleonard Not quite, but I'm working on it :) 16:39 kf oleonard: by tonight no more yui menus will be left in Koha? :) 16:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1051: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1051/ 16:20 jcamins These are really nicely made boxes. 16:19 jcamins Yup. 16:18 kf at a client's? 16:18 jcamins About 30. 16:18 jcamins oleonard: boxes. 16:18 rambutan which is to say, I boinc 16:17 rambutan I fold proteins 16:16 oleonard What are you folding today jcamins? 16:16 jcamins kf: I am! 16:16 kf oleonard: just got the new bootstrap menu - I like :) 16:15 kf in that case...just feel lucky? :) 16:13 jcamins I had ordered the cheap ones, and instead they sent me nice ones for the same price. 16:13 jcamins I think they charged me the wrong amount or sent me the wrong boxes. 16:11 jcamins oleonard: exactly how I feel about the matter. 16:11 jcamins Yes. 16:11 oleonard jcamins: http://www.khaaan.com/ 16:11 jcamins Well, a bone. 16:11 kf ah, I know. it's a little tool made of bone to work with paper? 16:11 jcamins No, it's a folder made of bones. 16:11 kf you fold bones? :P 16:10 kf bonefolder?? 16:10 jcamins I took my bonefolder out of my backpack because Shari needed it, and now I am bonefolder-less! 16:10 jcamins Argh! 16:08 oleonard The patrons about the process, the librarians about the cost and restrictions, the publishers about the fact that someone is reading each of those files more than once :P 16:08 oleonard The only people that like the way ebooks are handled in public libraries is Overdrive. Everyone else is holding their nose over some aspect of it. 16:06 jcamins [off] But, seriously, public librarians, if this is what you think patrons want and need, you should just close up shop and start looking for a job in retail. Either don't put the ebooks on the first page of every search, or get enough that they're usable. 16:05 reiveune1 bye 16:05 jcamins oleonard: yeah, sounds right. 16:02 oleonard jcamins: Because they have a small collection and an e-book policy which prevents two people from having one at the same time? 16:02 jcamins Why is it that every single e-book in my local library has 10+ holds on it? 16:00 jcamins I don't know what that means. 15:59 bigbrovar ok so sudo make upgrade went well.. I got the following error from the web installer when I attempted to upgrade the database http://paste.ubuntu.com/1658386/ 15:58 kf jcamins: I feel for the timesheet software 15:57 jcamins_away kf: it makes the timesheet software very grouchy. 15:57 kf making jokes? 15:54 jcamins_away This computer thinks it is April 1. 15:53 bigbrovar jcamins_away: thanks 15:52 * jcamins_away made it into the city. 15:52 jcamins_away bigbrovar: yes, you can continue. 15:50 oleonard I believe so bigbrovar, although I am not an install expert 15:49 bigbrovar oleonard: mean I can proceed with make install without worries ? 15:45 oleonard failing calendar tests are to be expected as far as I can recall 15:45 bigbrovar kf: I will do that thanks 15:44 kf bigbrovar: maybe check bugzilla for failing calendar tests 15:44 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "“Bookless libraries†and the death of the paper book http://t.co/4My3g868 #kohails" 15:42 bigbrovar Hi guys.. trying to upgrade our koha instance from 3.4.1 to 3.10.2 after installing all the required perl modules (as per the upgrade docs) I got the following error when I ran a make test http://pastebin.com/BQH23Tz3 15:42 kf :) 15:42 oleonard That's my plan 15:41 kf oleonard: patch frenzy? :) 15:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9502 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9 15:20 tcohen rangi, should I mark bug 9502 as RESOLVED? 15:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1051 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Work on Bootstrap for Koha 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9460 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9461 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on holds awaiting pickup report page 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on update child to adult patron page 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9467 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on catalog by item type report page 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9226 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Wrong branch filter after suggestion creation 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9385 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron add labels right aligned in chrome 15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha: Circ toolbar 15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha 15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9460 - Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label 15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9461 [Revised] Use DataTables on holds awaiting pickup report page 15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9465 - Use DataTables on update child to adult patron page 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9585 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail 15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9467 - Use DataTables on catalog by item type report page 15:16 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9226: Wrong branch filter after suggestion creation 15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9385 - patron add labels right aligned in chrome 15:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9545 - Followup Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Package dependency updates for master 15:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9545 - Fix import MARC bibliographic framework text label 15:16 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9585 - Fix spelling mistake in default tab conditional for opac-detail 15:16 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9592 - update dependencies, allow blacklisting 15:16 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 9592 - remove db-dependency from Members.pm 15:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1050: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1050/ 15:14 bigbrovar Hi guys.. trying to upgrade our koha instance from 3.4.1 to 3.10.2 after installing all the required perl modules (as per the upgrade docs) I got the following error when I ran a make test http://pastebin.com/BQH23Tz3 15:09 maximep good morning kf 15:08 magnuse dbix::class is pretty awesome, btw ;-) 15:04 * magnuse wanders off to get ready to make pizza in a couple of hours 15:03 alaquerre Ok, still thanks for the validation :-) 15:03 magnuse hm, i don't have any clever ideas, i'm afraid... 15:02 alaquerre I beleive it's each minute 15:02 magnuse no, the options look fine i guess 15:01 magnuse and how often do you run it 15:00 alaquerre Are you using any other option ? 14:57 alaquerre rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 14:56 magnuse alaquerre: you might want to look at how rebuild_zebra.pl is set up in your cronjobs 14:51 alaquerre Make me think we are doing something really wrong. 14:51 kf hi maximep 14:51 kf hm have never had that happen 14:51 alaquerre Ok... not sure what is our problem. :-( 14:51 kf it's fast and you can search while zebra does it 14:51 alaquerre We have the impression that when we rebuild, when the index is dump, we lose the connection with Zebra 14:51 kf I don't know .) 14:50 kf but not sure your problem is related to that 14:50 alaquerre How much time it take to do the incremental rebuild ? 14:50 kf up to around 70.000 I think currently 14:50 kf it differes 14:49 alaquerre How big is instance approx ? 14:49 kf the incremental rebuild, not a full one 14:49 kf -z every 5 minutes 14:49 alaquerre How often do you "rebuild zebra" during the day ? 14:47 kf hm haven't heard that so far 14:46 alaquerre Opac Searc : Do you have a problem of "0 result" on a query and when you relaunch the searc, everything works with X results? Our user have this problem often (couple of time each day) 14:45 alaquerre On Opac-Search, does it occur ofthen that 14:43 magnuse alaquerre: that should not be necessary, i think 14:43 alaquerre I'll ask another question on a completly different topic. 14:42 alaquerre We need a full rebuild of Zebra to see the change ? 14:41 alaquerre Will try that! 14:41 alaquerre Interresting 14:41 alaquerre We need to put "942$n" =1 14:40 alaquerre let me read a bit about it... never use it. 14:39 drojf opacsuppression sounds like a reasonable way to do that then 14:39 alaquerre We want to keep the "empty" biblio for historical reason, but dont want our user to see them... 14:38 kf you may have to use opacsuppression instead and set that manually 14:38 kf opachiddenitems would hide it if all items were hidden... but if there are no items 14:38 kf i don't think you can do it automagically hm. 14:37 alaquerre Hi all, is there a way to hide biblio that dont have any items in opac search ? 14:25 magnuse Viktor: it has been suggested that you get yourself a proper irc client ;-) 14:25 kf hm or might have been me? 14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Improve acquisitions navigation 14:25 kf bug 8913 14:19 oleonard jcamins_away: I probably jettisoned one by mistake in a rebase 14:19 * jcamins_away heads into the city. 14:18 jcamins_away I see in the history that it was signed off twice, but I have to figure out which signoff belongs there. 14:18 jcamins_away And missing a signoff. 14:18 jcamins_away It's kind of large. 14:18 jcamins_away I think 8913 is going to have to wait a bit. 14:15 oleonard It's Christmas morning for me and jcamins_away is Santa! 14:12 kf oh and happy jenkins 14:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9420' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=26f473ca7574100994b322439d015e789f249906> / Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha: Circ toolbar <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=22449053032a63537a8fb031780e65020ec9c011> / Bug 9420 [Revised] Work on Bootstrap for Koha <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff 14:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #1050 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:11 kf and we all know... people like UI improvements :) 14:11 kf yeah :) 14:11 jcamins_away Lots of nice UI improvements! 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9608 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , white background on header on check in 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7608 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Manual history is always 'enabled' 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9454 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , NewBasket does not use placeholders in sql 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7253 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , fast cataloging not always checking out 14:10 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in 14:10 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 7608: Manual history should not always be enabled 14:10 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 9454: Use placeholders when adding basket 14:10 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: followup : manage toolbar for fastcataloging 14:10 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7253: fast cataloging not always checking out 14:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1049: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1049/ 14:09 kf :) 14:09 kf in your pocket? :) 14:08 oleonard In my pocket. 14:08 * oleonard already has a patch for that! 14:08 * kf suggests you start with the new borrower button and the detail page :P 14:07 kf oleonard++ 14:07 magnuse oleonard++ 14:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Work on Bootstrap for Koha 14:07 magnuse bug 9420 14:07 kf oleonard: yay!! 14:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9460' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a386df2c78b6c44f5ac476678e49d0039306b94b> / Bug 9460 - Use DataTables on transfers to receive report page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04152027d6f678da2ecd160b6c3431797637db93> / Merge branch 'bug_9461' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h= 13:59 oleonard Too late! I Bootstrapped all the things! 13:55 jcamins_away Just testing the package build. 13:55 * oleonard Bootstraps all! the! things! 13:54 jcamins_away Yay! 9420 looks great! 13:52 jcamins_away (without looking at the other patch) 13:51 jcamins_away I don't understand how someone on my QA team could successfully QA a patch which depends on another patch to function. 13:47 drojf lol 13:46 * jcamins_away offers up a copy of telnet. 13:45 * drojf throws a real irc client into the hat 13:44 * oleonard takes up a collection to help the poor souls without real irc clients 13:39 magnuse i think it has been suggested to him :-) 13:35 drojf maybe its time for viktor to switch to a real irc client ;) 13:28 magnuse yeah, yeah... ;-) 13:26 kf he talked to me :P 13:23 magnuse gah, he's ignoring me 13:19 * magnuse waves at Viktor 13:16 kf hi oleonard 13:16 drojf hi oleonard 13:15 oleonard Hi #koha 13:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1049 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9608' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76a2e04f46aca366ffed46d51ef9ed26ea6dfecb> / Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f068328e338e9b230dbf8bf58b8ea3f6b31cab5b> / Merge branch 'bug_7608' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d5bdaff0350 12:55 kf drojf: can't download the files - so can#t test for errors :( 12:55 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 12:55 kf @later tell druthb please fix the permissions once more? it seems to reoccur on every update of translations :( http://translate.koha-community.org/de/310/export/zip 12:54 Viktor Nice to hear kf :) 12:54 kf quite good too :) lots of interesting projects, lots of work, but good 12:54 Viktor Things are coming along quite nicely. How are you? kf 12:53 kf drojf: 3.10 is now done too - no guarantees 12:53 Viktor Quite good. 12:53 kf how's things? :) 12:53 Viktor Hi! 12:53 kf hi Viktor :) 12:50 drojf no. lol 12:50 kf I don't think I would like to use a search option that is named like that to find me books... 12:50 drojf :D 12:49 kf group 12:49 kf it's a nother grup 12:49 drojf omg 12:49 kf it's in there 12:49 drojf hahaha i thought of that, but did not say it 12:47 kf Vorpubertierende? really? 12:45 drojf or krautsource it 12:44 kf oh yes, good plan 12:44 drojf you should take license fees from people using koha in german ;) 12:44 drojf oh that is more than i thought 12:44 kf bit less than 200 I think 12:44 kf bit more 12:44 kf not a lot :) 12:44 drojf 10 words? :) 12:43 drojf how much was that? 12:43 drojf yay 12:43 kf drojf: 3.8 is done 12:42 drojf lol 12:42 kf when we finally catch that guy... 12:42 drojf of course, marcs fault 12:41 kf I kept it for now 12:41 kf not sure, but translations might have come from marc21 standard 12:41 kf there are lots of subgroups 12:41 drojf different 12:41 drojf what makes that differen form jugendliche? 12:40 kf Adolescent = Heranwachsende? hm. 12:39 kf I think it might be a quirk with file paths/update scripts or something 12:39 kf but he was gone too fast 12:39 kf nope 12:39 drojf so 37% does not really make sense 12:39 drojf i thought we had something similar, but it's 75% for german 12:37 kf because it's not correct that we have to rebuild really, only when people change things... but maybe not the complete file was used to update his po files... who knows. 12:36 kf hm he is no longer here eh? 12:36 kf vfernandes: you could do a simple test - get your complete 3.10 files 12:36 kf vfernandes: I think your % is really low 12:36 drojf kf: unfortunately i should work on other things 12:35 kf drojf: there is a bug ... you could work on it ;) 12:31 drojf heh 12:30 magnuse nah, quite, brooding types us northerners... 12:29 drojf swedish people don't talk much :P 12:21 magnuse kia ora Viktor 12:08 drojf have a running, translated koha, do bonus stuff whenever 12:07 drojf seperate the help stuff would be really nice 12:05 vfernandes those are good improvements but the problem maintains but divided by different files 12:05 magnuse those bugs would make translating easier, i think 12:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects 12:05 magnuse bug 7939 12:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po file for help pages 12:04 magnuse bug 7934 12:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Translate only specific files 12:03 magnuse bug 9161 12:03 vfernandes I'm thinking about creating a routine to check which string are new or changed in koha 3.12 file from koha 3.10, adding them to koha 3.10 files and then replace the files in the pootle 12:02 magnuse drojf: don't remind us... 12:01 drojf we had a lot of fun when the templates were switched to template::toolkit too 12:01 vfernandes 37% for me is like starting from 0 12:01 drojf vfernandes: i dont think we start from 0 again. its just a lot of new stuff 11:59 magnuse drojf: lol 11:58 drojf but given how much % of koha is developed by germans, that will probably be the same as just not upgrade anymore ever 11:58 vfernandes for each new version he have to "rebuild" the translations and that makes no sense 11:58 drojf languages even 11:58 drojf maybe we fork it and only develop in our lown anguages. krautkoha for the germans, trollkoha for the norwegians… 11:55 drojf i think kf said that a lot of it is help files this time 11:53 magnuse maintaining translations *is* hard, sadly... 11:52 vfernandes in this way it too hard to mantain translations 11:52 vfernandes if 3.10 are fully translated... 3.12 should use 3.10 files plus the new or changed strings 11:51 drojf i think i have heard that one before 11:47 vfernandes I don't want to translate again 60000 words 11:47 vfernandes shouldn't 3.12 use 3.10 translations as base? 11:47 vfernandes but 3.12 is only 37% 11:46 vfernandes koha 3.12 translations.... I have koha 3.10 fully translated for portuguese 11:45 vfernandes hi guys 11:39 kf probably 11:39 drojf we have no fines \o/ that saves a lot of trouble i think ;) 11:38 kf we just began testing 11:38 kf there might be more, not sure 11:38 kf fines don't display in notices 11:38 kf yeah 11:36 drojf luckily that does not apply to us, but that is really bad 11:35 magnuse or want to have multiple marc dialects on the same server 11:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search is broken for 3.10 package-installs when marcflavour != marc21 11:34 magnuse there's bug 9256 11:26 drojf do we have any severe problems in 3.10? with 3.10.3 coming i would start considering an upgrade otherwise 11:22 drojf kf: i have been following that for days ;) 11:22 drojf hi kf and magnuse 11:21 kf drojf: go on inetbib if you are interested in the big discussion about amazon covers in library catalogs... 11:21 magnuse moin drojf 11:21 kf hi drojf 11:17 drojf good day #koha 10:23 * kf is translating ... 10:20 kf marcelr++ :) 08:58 magnuse kia ora kf 08:57 kf morning #koha 08:30 jransom good evening @francharb 08:23 magnuse jransom: not to worry, i really <3 koha! ;-) 08:22 dcook magnuse: I'm often intrigued by some of the other projects I work on, but Koha is certainly where my heart is as well :) 08:22 * dcook agrees about south america 08:20 jransom koha community loves magnus so dont you go and seduced into another project 08:20 magnuse ooh, that would be excellent 08:20 jransom I hoping south america - argentina maybe 08:20 magnuse dcook: it's not too bad, i get to work on some nice projects, but koha is where my heart is... 08:19 magnuse that reminds me we might want to start to think about when we should start to think about calling for bidders for kohacon14 08:19 dcook Sorry to hear that you're not getting to do as much Koha work as you'd li ke, magnuse :/ 08:19 dcook salut, gaetan_B! 08:19 magnuse fingers crossed! 08:18 jransom I hope you can get to reno too but (on the bright side) if you miss it you might get to the next one which I might get to as well! 08:17 magnuse i'm currently doing mostly non-koha things to make ends meet, hopefully there will be enough koha business so i can work mostly on koha in the not too distant future... 08:17 dcook It would be great to see you at reno, magnuse! 08:17 magnuse yeah, time for signoffs would be nice 08:16 dcook And help out on the English ones... 08:16 dcook And maybe fix the French manuals... 08:16 dcook If only I could find the time to do more sign offs, magnuse 08:16 magnuse did i mention i hope i can make it to reno? 08:16 dcook That's the diplomatic way to put it, jransom ;) 08:16 magnuse dcook: sounds like you are having a great time :-) 08:15 jransom well its totally different i imagine 08:15 dcook I only started seriously programming in late 2011, and now my world has been transformed and I want to transform the world of others :D 08:15 dcook I had already been hired by Prosentient to work on Koha, but I didn't know a thing about Koha per se. I had worked with ILSs for years, but only proprietary ones 08:14 dcook Before I ever actually starting working on Koha, I saw Chris give a talk at Access 2011 in Vancouver 08:14 dcook It's great being a part of it 08:14 dcook D'accord ^_^ 08:13 magnuse amen :-) 08:13 jransom its a perfect fit for libraries - who share and give stuff away :) 08:13 jransom i love that the community is so strong and so supportive and works so well together 08:13 dcook And there are tons of library and information studies folk wanting to get more involved in library technology and community...it's a perfect fit 08:12 * magnuse thinks so too 08:12 dcook I think a lot of people would profit from it 08:12 magnuse and groing stronger by the day :-) 08:12 dcook I've heard that Koha is pretty strong in India. I'm originally from Canada, so I'm trying to stir up interest back home 08:12 jransom seeing Koha so strong around the world is an amzing thing 08:11 jransom loved loved loved KohaCon in Mumabi 08:11 jransom It is amazing to see Koha 08:10 jransom (basking in glory becuase Chris and Paul and Rosalie and Racgel and about a billion other people aren't here to claim credit) 08:10 dcook It must be amazing to see how it's turned out, or rather how it is turning out 08:10 jransom You are welcome :) 08:09 dcook Well, thank you for starting it! 08:09 dcook I imagine that I knew that at one point 08:09 dcook hehehe 08:09 jransom i just talk and schmooze - JD actually does work on Koha :) 08:09 magnuse dcook: jransom is the boss at the library that started koha :-) 08:08 jransom Horowhenua library trust 08:08 jransom i will try and get to the one after 08:08 dcook Which organization are you with, jransom? 08:08 * magnuse hopes to make it to reno but will miss seeing jransom there 08:08 dcook I think that's the plan here as well 08:07 jransom she is working on Koha and while I'm not happy about missing out - in all conscience I have to send JD. Would be much more useful to Koha than having me there. 08:07 dcook Hopefully I'll be the one being sent as well 08:06 jransom No - I wont be. I am planning to send my new Tech services chickie JD (Joanne Dillon) 08:06 magnuse yay! 08:06 dcook Going to Reno? 08:06 dcook Thanks. I've enjoyed the past year here. Hope to make it many more 08:05 jransom oh cool - well welcome to Koha 08:05 dcook Nope :) 08:05 jransom clearly wasnt you then :) 08:05 dcook I only arrived in January 2012 08:05 dcook Hmm, maybe. Probably. 08:05 jransom probably actually ... 08:05 jransom i met somene from prosentinet somewhere - kohacon NZ maybe 08:04 jransom I saw Sydney - thought Calyx 08:04 dcook O_o 08:04 jransom ah - well there you go 08:04 dcook Nope. Prosentient Systems. 08:04 jransom dcook: do you work with Calyx? 08:04 jransom had a bbq for tea tonight 08:03 jransom 9pm here 08:03 dcook 7pm. I really need to leave work.. 08:03 jransom it is glorious weather - been a great summer 08:03 jransom probably not 08:03 magnuse jransom: so will you get yourself over to kapiti this summer? 08:02 magnuse i think it's 9pm in levin 08:02 magnuse what's the time in sydney? 08:02 magnuse hehe 08:02 dcook Cold beer time... 08:01 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 24.0°C (6:30 PM EST on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 08:01 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 08:01 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 08:01 dcook @wunder syndey, australia 08:01 dcook hi jransom 08:01 magnuse sounds nice! 08:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 19.1°C (8:58 PM NZDT on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:01 magnuse @wunder levin, nz 08:00 jransom hi all 08:00 jransom hi Magnus 08:00 magnuse god dag = good day 07:59 magnuse hm, i guess "hei" would be the equivalent of hello 07:59 dcook Equivalent of hi/hey and good day? 07:59 magnuse "god dag" is another 07:59 magnuse dcook: "hei" is the simplest form 07:59 magnuse kia ora jransom 07:55 dcook Interested parties want to know :p 07:55 dcook How do you say hello in Norwegian? 07:55 dcook bonjour, magnuse :) 07:53 magnuse bonjour reiveune, dcook 07:51 reiveune hi dcook, magnuse :) 07:51 magnuse :-) 07:51 reiveune lol 07:51 magnuse i loose 07:50 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.6°C (8:45 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 07:50 magnuse @wunder konstanz 07:50 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 07:50 magnuse @wunder boo 07:50 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:50 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:50 dcook allo, reiveune 07:49 reiveune hello 07:47 dcook Ta, cait :) 07:47 cait bbl :) 07:47 * cait waves 07:44 * magnuse waves 07:44 dcook And spines that glow but only for the first season or two... 07:44 wahanui wizzyrea is, like, a Cylon, and they all have plans 07:44 dcook hey wizzyrea 07:38 dcook Everyone arrives just as I'm about to leave :p. Darned southern hemisphere.. 07:36 dcook :) 07:35 alex_a dcook: ca va merci :) 07:34 dcook Ca va? 07:34 dcook alex_a_ 07:34 dcook bonjour, alex_a- 07:31 alex_a_ bonjour tout le monde 07:22 cait that's quite cool 07:22 cait :) 07:20 dcook There are a lot of people keen to get more involved in library technology, but they're just not sure where to start 07:20 dcook And existing members of SLAIS (the library school in Vancouver) 07:20 dcook Personally, I'm trying to recruit more of my former classmates 07:19 cait and others of course 07:19 cait :) 07:19 cait glad we have the 2 of you 07:19 cait yeah :) 07:18 dcook He's been a machine lately. Every time I go to do a sign off, he's already gotten there! ;) 07:18 dcook bgkriegel++ 07:17 * dcook is determined to make a conscious effort to step up the signing off 07:17 dcook Thanks, cait :) 07:12 cait dcook++ 07:12 cait :) 06:52 dcook Not a big one, but one nonetheless 06:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , opac not showing fines - says 'no' 06:52 dcook There we go, khall_away :). Bug 8079 06:25 * druthb waves to her beste freundin 06:21 dcook I'm trying :) 06:21 cait an awesome goal :) 06:21 dcook Plus, laundry and dishes await me at home. Well, and beer along the way...but that's not much of a chore 06:21 cait :) 06:21 dcook As for me, I said that I would sign off at least one patch today, so I'm about to do just that 06:21 dcook I forgot that you're an early riser. I don't know how you do it :p 06:17 cait it's 7:15 am here -so I stil have to go to work :) 06:17 cait so why are you not off for the weekend? ;) 06:17 cait lol 06:17 dcook Yes, definitely Friday, lol 06:17 dcook I think... 06:17 dcook 5:14pm Friday here 06:16 dcook Hehe. Time differences are fun 06:16 cait the day just started, we will see :) 06:16 dcook how goes it, cait? 06:11 cait hi dcook :) 06:11 dcook hola cait 06:11 dcook Well...not bad 06:11 dcook Mmm, bad sys pref perhaps 06:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , opac not showing fines - says 'no' 06:10 dcook Trying to test bug 8079 but can't get fines to generate... 06:07 dcook Hmm... 05:48 * dcook looks to see what Owen has been up to 05:48 dcook I'm sure that's enough time to sign off some patch... 05:48 dcook Hmmm, 14 minutes left in the working day 05:11 dcook np :) 04:55 druthb :) thanx. 04:55 dcook druthb++ 04:53 * druthb dances around happily. Pootle is all updated for string freeze. :) 02:54 druthb translators++ Those are the people who really make stuff happen; I'm just the server-ops wench. 02:46 druthb :) 02:46 mtj yes, and thanks druthb++ :) 02:46 druthb now that I've learned *how*, it's gotten easier. 02:45 rangi thanks druthb 02:45 mtj fingers crossed…. 02:43 mtj im building some deb packages :p 02:26 druthb workin' on string freezes now! :) :D 02:19 cjh \o 02:18 druthb o/ 01:58 mtj yay friday! -> http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/8309633/In-flight-flatulence-is-ok 01:33 wizzyrea graciousl 01:33 cjh yay netsplits. 00:31 dcook Accessibility guidelines are good :) 00:31 dcook Err usability guidelines 00:31 * dcook wonders the same thing about Javascript and accessibility guidelines on occasion 00:28 jcamins_away WTF is the point of having that feature if you're not supposed to use it? 00:27 jcamins_away Firefox says that client-side XSLT isn't safe. 00:24 rangi at the same power 00:24 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:24 drojf interesting 00:24 rangi it does but the distance you can go is shorter than across land 00:24 drojf and that does not work? 00:23 rangi when i was at citylink we were playing with wifi across the harbour 00:22 dcook Hmm. I don't know if I've ever experienced that 00:22 drojf "found 13 items where the country is Russia" ok. i doubt there are 13 libraries in russia, so there is probably more koha too ;) 00:21 rangi i know going over water does 00:21 rangi wifi even 00:21 dcook Especially the further you get from the "bigger" cities 00:21 rangi i suspect snow messes with up pretty bad 00:21 dcook They have dial up still 00:20 drojf do local wifi 00:20 dcook If libraries were setting it up for themselves and just using it in house 00:20 dcook Could still work on a LAN though 00:20 dcook And the sub-Arctic territories, although their internet connection is pretty spotty... 00:20 dcook And that Atlantic provinces 00:20 dcook I know Evergreen is really big in British Columbia, but I think the rest of the country would really profit from Koha, especially in the prairies. 00:19 rangi yep 00:18 dcook I think the Canada stats are off too, but it's due to that whole self-reporting thing 00:18 drojf translation 35% 00:17 rangi im sure there are more 00:16 drojf hm. i dont know why i find that strange, but i do 00:15 rangi hmm afaik yes drojf 00:14 rangi the other cool amateur one i remember is this one http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/5468497/Cuba-Mall-snow-video-takes-on-life-of-its-own 00:14 drojf is there just one known koha library in russia? 00:10 rangi yep 00:10 dcook He did a good job in making it look pretty professional overall. Definitely conveyed a lot of emotion :) 00:10 rangi yeah just put together by an amateur film maker it really captured the moment 00:09 dcook Oh snap. That's an awesome clip, rangi 00:05 rangi it sums it up 00:05 rangi watch the final few mins here, through the eyes of the fans 00:05 rangi dcook: http://vimeo.com/31010288 00:04 dcook I tried to go to one of the play off games with an Irish friend of mine, but the tvs weren't working at the pub he wound up at and we were out in the boonies at that stage :/ 00:04 dcook Cheers for staying awake 00:03 rangi the final 00:03 rangi it was a stupidly tense game 00:02 rangi i watched the 3rd and 4th place play off with amy buckland after the karaoke evening 00:02 drojf lol 00:01 rangi i forget the name of the pub, something rugby related 00:01 rangi there were about 8 of us on the plane wearing rugby jerseys 00:01 rangi then from there to wellington 00:01 dcook Oh? Nice 00:01 dcook Well "direct" 00:01 rangi direct to auckland 00:01 dcook Did you do the direct or the LA/SF stop over? 00:00 rangi i crashed pretty fast on that flight 00:00 dcook hehe 00:00 rangi still slightly drunk and with no sleep :) 00:00 rangi and flew home 00:00 rangi and got a train to the airport 00:00 cjh rangi: dedication. 00:00 wahanui i think checked out is set to 0000-00-00. 00:00 rangi checked out 00:00 rangi staggered back to the hotel 00:00 dcook Which pub? 00:00 dcook Nice one! 00:00 rangi i watched the final at 3am in a pub in vancouver 00:00 dcook Very awesome