IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-08

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14:23 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software
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14:30 kf hi oleonard :)
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14:39 jcamins_away oleonard: incidentally, in case you were worrying about finding a javascript editor that supports arbitrary tags, it turns out you can do it with TinyMCE.
14:39 oleonard I was up all night!
14:45 jcamins_away Have I commented recently on the extreme user unfriendliness of the CSV export?
14:47 oleonard No, lay it on us jcamins_away
14:48 jcamins_away I am amazed every time I try to edit a CSV profile how unintuitive it is.
14:48 jcamins_away You're exporting a CSV...
14:48 jcamins_away so you use vertical pipes to separate entries?
14:48 jcamins_away Huh?
14:49 jcamins_away You have to fill in either ExportRemoveFields or ExportWithCsvProfile to export as ISO2709?
14:49 jcamins_away Huh?
14:49 jcamins_away If you want to create a CSV profile you have to look under tools?
14:49 jcamins_away Huh?
14:49 jcamins_away None of these things make the least bit of sense to me.
14:52 kf I guess the qeustion is how to make it better ;)
14:52 kf jcamins_away: I wnted to ask you to take a look at the dom patch from martin
14:52 drojf i guess the question is who to make it better :P
14:52 kf from the changed comments I think he reran the automatic creation and I am not sure now if that is good or bad
14:52 kf and the any index seems a bit weird to me,?
14:53 jcamins_away kf: separate the entries with commas, make the ISO2709 export show up regardless (or add another syspref), and move the CSV profile editor to Administration.
14:53 jcamins_away If he reran the creation script, that's bad.
14:53 kf jcamins_away: it's only a guess
14:53 kf but since you know how it works... or at least you know most of it
14:53 kf ....
14:54 kf you might be able to give him some quick hints while I would have to learn all abourt how it works first :)
14:54 jcamins_away Yeah...
14:54 jcamins_away That's going to have to wait.
14:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9283' into 3.12-master <[…]7ed6d4aa9a3a7f50a> / Bug 9283 - Change structure of export checkouts form <[…]ff5d6582403e6c51a> / Merge branch 'bug_9417' into 3.12-master <[…]tdiff;h=f66162592
15:25 oleonard Congratulations nengard
15:25 nengard thanks :)
15:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1042: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1042/
15:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9451: Quiet warnings and Plackify
15:27 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 9320 Pending reserves report should not show waiting items
15:27 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 9329: Wrong message for already expired cards
15:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9451 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , gives off warnings and is not Plack-compatible
15:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9320 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Master , Pending reserves is showing reserves already waiting
15:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9329 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Wrong message for already expired cards
15:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #1043 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:28 jcamins_away \o/
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15:36 oleonard How's it going ryansipes?
15:37 ryansipes oleonard: It's going pretty alright, how are you?
15:37 oleonard I'm good. Seeing patches get pushed is always a good way to start the day.
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15:49 oleonard Dear Recorded Books: What the hell is with your web site?! (warning, auto-playing audio)[…]n=rb.home&library
15:50 oleonard I was directed to look for their link to marketing materials, but couldn't find it because it was covered up by an old guy talking at me
15:53 nengard jcamins bug 8733
15:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8733 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Adding critic reviews to book pages
15:53 nengard I was going to document this, I have the preferences, but don't see the content when i turn them on
15:53 nengard (i did when i tested it)
15:54 nengard is there maybe an updatedatabase problem there?
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16:03 jcamins nengard: it seems to be working for me.
16:03 nengard might be interaction with other prefs?
16:03 jcamins Do you have any script errors?
16:04 nengard hmmm
16:04 nengard let me look
16:04 nengard no errors popping up - where/how would i check the logs?
16:04 nengard I was looking at harry potter
16:05 jcamins I don't think they have Harry Potter.
16:05 nengard hmm okay
16:05 nengard I'm going to search their site first
16:07 nengard I'm searching Jodi Picoult in my catalog and theirs and it's in both, but I see nothing in my opac
16:07 nengard hmmm
16:07 nengard I did when I tested it ? like i said
16:07 jcamins Hm.
16:07 jcamins It might be that they do not have that particular ISBN in their database, though they were supposed to have fixed it so that all related ISBNs were listed as well.
16:07 nengard hang on
16:07 nengard i might have turned it off :) hehe
16:08 jcamins Hehe.
16:08 jcamins That would get in the way of it showing up.
16:08 nengard okay it's on and not showing
16:08 nengard I was toggling back and forth to try things out
16:08 nengard my demo is a VM so I can't share a link, but can share a video after my webinar
16:08 nengard not that it will help
16:08 nengard I do have 2 tabs for holdings ?. if that matters
16:09 jcamins It works for me with the two tabs.
16:09 reiveune1 bye
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16:10 jcamins If you could try downloading the record for Bossypants (ISBN 0316056863) from LC, we can check if it's a problem with the book or a problem with the script.
16:10 jcamins Bah. I missed the bug number in the update message.
16:11 nengard hmmm
16:11 nengard it is showing on bossypatns
16:11 nengard pants
16:11 nengard I'll use that for the manual, but you should know that it's not working on all books
16:12 nengard
16:12 nengard I have all of them in my catalog
16:12 nengard and none of them show the ratings
16:12 jcamins Yeah, there are definitely a lot of ISBNs missing from their database.
16:12 jcamins Also some serious encoding errors.
16:13 jcamins On their site, not when the data is displayed in Koha.
16:13 nengard I'll note that in the manual
16:21 oleonard I love "git stash pop." So handy.
16:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #279 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 16 days ago)
16:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #279: STILL FAILING in 1 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/279/
16:22 jenkins_koha * nengard: add IDreamLibraries section
16:22 jenkins_koha * nengard: add tip about idreambooks having content limits
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16:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1043: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1043/
16:34 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 9332: Display call number in "Holds waiting" notice
16:34 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 9417 - Allow number of results per page to be selectable for guided reports
16:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9283 - Change structure of export checkouts form
16:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9332 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Display call number in "Holds waiting" notice (checkout page)
16:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow number of results per page to be selectable for guided reports
16:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Change structure of export checkouts form
16:37 * oleonard starts a patch fight on bug 9571
16:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9571 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Fix width for textareas in Edit Item screen
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16:42 oleonard It's way too early in the day for me to be trapped in the no-git cloud. Must be the bad weather.
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16:54 mustard Thesis: Koha should provide for space-limited online storage so that patrons can maintain notes about items in the library collection or other things. Notes relating to items should be linkable to those items.
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17:08 * cait waves from the train
17:08 * jcamins waves back.
17:09 drojf oh good, then it is not sunday already?!
17:10 jcamins @wunder konstanz
17:10 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.8°C (6:05 PM CET on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
17:10 jcamins Warmer here.
17:13 oleonard rambutan: Re: your thesis, see bug 813
17:13 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=813 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , OPAC virtual shelves should store comments
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17:17 drojf successfully transferred 200k files. let's do another 500k. my hoster will love me
17:18 khall is patron searching messed up in master?
17:19 oleonard Which patron search khall ?
17:19 khall when I try using the letters on I get one results for 'a' and none for anything else
17:20 khall even though my db has the default sample patrons
17:20 oleonard Works for me khall
17:20 khall odd
17:22 * khall had IndependantBranches enabled! : )=
17:24 cait hm #koha works, but reading bug mails does not ...
17:24 cait meh.
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17:35 oleonard Thanks for the signoffs khall
17:35 oleonard khall++
17:35 khall np, great work!
17:38 cait1 :)
17:45 libsysguy I think paul_p knows when I am looking for him
17:45 libsysguy he always bounces out
17:46 oleonard It's late for paul_p anyway libsysguy
17:46 libsysguy no excuses :p
17:55 jcamins gmcharlt: around?
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18:03 jcamins Okay, question for... anyone who might have an opinion.
18:05 jcamins If I want to load a file of MARC records into a list of MARC::Record objects and possibly sort it, do we think I should use MARC::File::* or MARC::Batch?
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18:09 jcamins bug 4266
18:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4266 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Signed Off , encumbrance and expenditure not used in code
18:13 bag jcamins MARC::Field I'd guess first?
18:14 jcamins bag: The vote on #evergreen was for MARC::Batch, so I'll use that.
18:14 bag whoops I read that wrong
18:14 bag I read it as FIELD not FILE :P
18:14 jcamins Yeah, I'm loading some files.
18:15 bag right Batch sounds good to me too
18:15 * cait waves
18:16 cait have a nice weekend everyone!
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18:37 jcamins I have a Perl question for the wisdom of #koha: I want to embed a fairly large string in a Perl script. I believe there is some way to do that which results in the string being at the end of the file.
18:37 jcamins Does anyone know what that way is?
18:41 slef like bash << EOF and then EOF at the end IIRC
18:41 slef you could also look into the qq quoting
18:41 jcamins slef: that requires the string to be in the middle of the file.
18:42 slef ah but << EOF means the string is in the middle
18:42 slef hmmm
18:42 slef should befiled near those two on the perl man pages though ;)
18:42 slef sorry gtg out... I'll ping back in a few hours (maybe 5)
18:42 jcamins So long.
18:42 slef please @later me if you find it
18:42 slef else I'll try to remember tolook
18:43 slef damn sure I've used it before
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18:56 libsysguy anybody around that I can bribe to take a look at the nginx installer?
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19:06 Dyrcona @later tell slef TIMTOWTDI: You could use a heredoc for your string, i.e, <<EOF\n.......\nEOF\n, (I do this all the time), mutililine quoting with qq/....../, or a __DATA__ section. I typically use the last for example or default data when my program can read from a file.
19:06 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
19:07 jcamins Dyrcona: ooh, how do you use an __DATA__ section?
19:07 jcamins I think that's what I want.
19:09 jcamins SelfLoader?
19:10 Dyrcona jcamins: At the bottom of your file, you put a line that contains __DATA__
19:10 Dyrcona jcamins: Below that you put your data.
19:11 jcamins This sounds about my level of difficulty. :D
19:12 Dyrcona jcamins: You can read the data in your program via the DATA filehandle: *DATA or <DATA>. If using strict, you might need <::DATA>.
19:13 Dyrcona for instance: while(<DATA>) { do something with $_ }
19:15 Dyrcona It's really handy for sample data to test your program.
19:16 jcamins On the other hand, it just caused my head to explode and didn't work, so I'll use a heredoc.
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19:18 Dyrcona jcamins: __DATA__ is good as a sample file, and not so much for strings.
19:18 Dyrcona I'll see if I have a decent example hanging around that I can paste.
19:19 jcamins Dyrcona: that would be great, because the data I am including would arguably be better put in a different file, but I'd prefer not to.
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19:20 jcamins First rule of debugging: if you're using a system that doesn't have strict variable name checking, CHECK YOUR SPELLING!
19:25 jcamins Hm. It looks like maybe the __DATA__ file is only usable for <DATA> not as a filehandle.
19:26 Dyrcona jcamins: A simple example
19:27 Dyrcona jcamins: It also works like this $fh = *DATA; if ($ARGV[0]) {open($fh, $ARGV[0])}; while ($line = <$fh>) {....}
19:27 jcamins Ohh.
19:28 jcamins I understand now.
19:28 jcamins Thanks.
19:28 Dyrcona yw
19:28 jcamins Very cool!
19:31 jcamins Now I just have to figure out to add a binary to a CPAN dist.
19:31 jcamins Oh, and write POD.
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20:00 Morthland Does the database record both the date AND time that a record is cataloged?
20:07 bag well there is the timestamp in mysql - so yes
20:09 Morthland Does the item search for the label creator use this? It seems like the items are listed by the exact time they are cataloged.
20:10 Morthland Just playing around in the .pl, I was hoping to add a "Catologed after this Date and Time" option
20:10 Morthland I program C, but I am a fish out of water here.
20:10 bag heh
20:11 bag well then I think you'd be more interested in looking at the acquistiondate in the item record
20:11 bag one sec…
20:11 bag here's the database -
20:12 oleonard khall still around?
20:12 khall yo
20:12 Morthland That's what I figured. Let me take a look at that.
20:12 rangi or the cataloguing action_log
20:12 oleonard khall: In your test plan you say "Optionally, you can also verify this works even if patron issuing history has been set to anonymize issues upon return." Do you mean at the patron level via the OPAC?
20:13 khall oleonard, can you give me the bug number?
20:13 oleonard Sorry :/
20:13 oleonard Bug 9011
20:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item
20:15 khall oleonard, yes, that's exactly what I meant
20:15 oleonard Thanks
20:16 khall np!
20:26 gmcharlt @quote random
20:26 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 01:11 PM, May 18, 2010)
20:33 jcamins New version of Template::Plugin::MARC uploaded.
20:33 rangi @quote random
20:33 huginn rangi: Quote #208: "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." (added by jcamins at 03:01 PM, June 28, 2012)
20:43 oleonard khall: Is an edit to koha-httpd.conf the only change required to test that aspect of Bug 7740?
20:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC
20:45 jcamins oleonard: and restart Apache after changing the configuration file.
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20:57 oleonard Doesn't work for me, but I don't know if it's me or the patch...
20:58 oleonard (the Apache config option only. The other aspect works fine)
21:01 * chris_n looks around for slef
21:02 chris_n @later tell slef do you know anything about these people: ?
21:02 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
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21:07 sweil English Wikipedia says Koha is GPLv3+. Should this be GPLv2+? (see
21:08 jcamins No, the license is GPLv3+.
21:08 jcamins Version 3.12 will have all the license statements changed.
21:08 sweil There is a new article in the German Wikipedia. Maybe some experts want to review and improve it. See[…]othekssoftware%29.
21:09 jcamins @later tell cait You might want to take a look at[…]othekssoftware%29
21:09 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:09 sweil jcamins: Then is misleading.
21:09 jcamins sweil: if it says GPLv2+, then it definitely needs updating.
21:10 jcamins @later tell wizzyrea Do you think you could please update the license listed on to reflect that Koha is GPLv3+?
21:10 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:10 * jcamins delegates. :)
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21:15 oleonard Have a good weekend everyone
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22:13 jcamins Two versions of Template::Plugin::MARC in one day!
22:14 jcamins Mostly because the first version I uploaded turned out to be broken.
22:16 jcamins Believe it or not, preparing a release of a module for CPAN is actually as confusing as preparing a release of Koha.
22:22 * magnuse trusts that jcamins handles both things well
22:23 magnuse ...and wishes #koha a nice weekend
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22:53 rambutan jcamins, doing OK out there?
22:54 jcamins rambutan: yeah, the snow/ice was pretty dramatic a bit earlier, but so far not too bad.
22:54 rambutan supposed to be a historical snow/ice storm...
22:55 jcamins Yeah, but I admit I'm having some doubts about it being all that.
22:55 jcamins In 1996 we had so much snow in New Jersey that my friend and I excavated an igloo.
22:55 jcamins And I discovered that I was incredibly claustrophobic.
22:55 jcamins It made the igloo very disappointing.
22:56 rambutan :)
22:57 rambutan well, as long as you have plenty of red wine, potato chips and cat food it's the can wait out the storm
22:59 jcamins We do. :)
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23:56 slef Hi. Finally figured out how to get back here:-)

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