IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-07

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00:05 jcamins eythian: should I just give up on a subdirectory and try to put everything in /etc/koha?
00:08 eythian jcamins: what is the error you're having?
00:08 eythian as for solr, I'm not sure.
00:08 jcamins eythian: it doesn't give me any error.
00:08 jcamins The build completes fine, then when I try to install it, it fails with no error.
00:09 eythian how does it fail with no error?
00:09 jcamins I end up with every file in /etc/koha having a name that ends with .dpkg-new
00:09 eythian oh right
00:10 eythian I'm surprised making a subdir would cause that.
00:10 jcamins Me too.
00:10 jcamins Okay, I think I might be on the path to a workaround.
00:11 jcamins Don't bother with using dh_install for this file, and just install it with debian/rules.
00:11 eythian given we're already putting stuff in subdirs...
00:11 eythian that would be an acceptable workaround
00:13 jcamins Trying now.
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00:21 jcamins Okay... that didn't work.
00:22 jcamins Any idea what the install command would look like?
00:22 eythian perhaps you have something else funny going on?
00:22 eythian Perhaps try doing a purge of the package, install the stock one, and upgrade to your one on top
00:23 jcamins Well, now I can't get the packages to build.
00:23 jcamins The install command I added to debian/rules fails to find the file.
00:24 jcamins Wait... I figured it out.
00:24 eythian so, the build process puts things in /etc/koha/searchengine?
00:24 jcamins Maybe.
00:24 jcamins Probably not.
00:24 jcamins Yes.
00:24 eythian do you need to put anything in the .install or rules file at all
00:24 eythian maybe it'll just work
00:24 jcamins That was my initial theory.
00:24 jcamins But it complained it didn't know what to do with the file.
00:24 eythian ah right
00:25 eythian can you send me your patch, I might have a play with it.
00:25 eythian this _should_ be easy.
00:26 jcamins It's bug 9239, but you could also test it by creating a file etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml
00:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
00:26 jcamins At the moment, I have not made *any* changes to the package build.
00:28 jcamins I'm trying again with nothing so that I can get a baseline for comparison.
00:28 jcamins I have built the packages...
00:28 jcamins I don't know, forty times today?
00:28 jcamins At this point I'm not even sure I remember what they did before.
00:28 jcamins I'm hoping maybe the problem was something silly like the reason it failed the first time was that I had a stale file.
00:29 eythian a dpkg-new file should appear if a) there is a diff between the conffile and the one that was deployed, b) the conffile has change, and c) you tell dpkg to not replace it with the new version.
00:29 eythian at least I think that's the case.
00:29 jcamins Yup.
00:29 jcamins The problem is that there were no conf files at all when it decided to not install.
00:30 eythian that's weird
00:30 jcamins <-- what I get when I don't make any changes.
00:32 eythian OK, that's not too unexpected
00:32 jcamins Nope.
00:32 jcamins That's what I expected.
00:32 jcamins I am now going to systematically repeat all my experiments.
00:33 jcamins Or possibly just move the configuration file to etc/ if that fixes it.
00:35 eythian I'm having a few goes to see what I can make happen.
00:36 jcamins Thanks.
00:37 eythian unrelated, but I've added libtext-undiacritic-perl to the repo at BibLibre's request.
00:37 jcamins Thanks!
00:37 eythian jcamins: what branch are you building against?
00:38 jcamins bug 9239
00:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
00:38 jcamins On top of master.
00:38 eythian OK
00:38 eythian I see the dependencies need an update for that.,
00:38 jcamins But as I said, the only file that matters from 9239 is etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml
00:38 eythian yeah
00:39 jcamins So `echo "Testing" > etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml` will bring you to the same state.
00:39 eythian yeah, I'm just having to tweak things to make master build at all
00:39 jcamins Wait... did I get it working?!?
00:39 jcamins Probably not.
00:40 jcamins But at least the build completed.
00:40 eythian that's a start I suppose :)
00:44 eythian DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localh​ost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /tmp/buildd/koha-3.9/blib/PE​RL_MODULE_DIR/C4/ line 802
00:44 eythian #   Failed test 'use C4::Breeding;'
00:44 eythian grr
00:45 * jcamins scratches his head.
00:45 jcamins How come that passes under pbuilder for me?
00:45 jcamins I mean... it shouldn't, right?
00:46 eythian no, it shouldn't
00:46 jcamins So... something else weird about my installation.
00:46 eythian My copy of master may be a bit old though
00:47 jcamins You could probably use 3.10 instead... it's just a file.
00:47 eythian yeah
00:52 jcamins Got it!
00:53 jcamins There needed to be no trailing slash and no destination for my added line.
00:53 jcamins And possibly there was also a problem with the system I was trying to install on earlier. I spun up a new one.
00:53 eythian ah. I noted that you don't need the destination, but didn't see the trailing slash
00:54 jcamins Yeah, I think I may have accidentally left a trailing slash when I removed the destination, per your instructions.
00:55 eythian told you it should be easy ;)
00:56 jcamins I have to say, a little bit more in the way of error messages would not go amiss.
00:57 eythian yeah. It's a bizarre thing for it to do though, I wonder what it thought was going on.
00:57 * jcamins would be afraid to speculate.
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01:07 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:07 jcamins Greetings.
01:07 mtompset Long time no chat, jcamins. :)
01:08 jcamins There is a _film_ musical of the Producers. I did not know that.
01:08 jcamins Still in Canada I see. :)
01:09 mtompset Yes, and still experiencing a funding shortfall.
01:10 mtompset However, a plan to resolve that is under way.
01:11 jcamins Plans are useful.
01:11 mtompset As long as they work.
01:11 jcamins Right.
01:11 mtompset Already had one plan fail.
01:11 mtompset We've got two on the table now.
01:14 mtompset agenda?
01:14 wahanui agenda is, like, a wiki
01:15 jcamins[…],_7_February_2013
01:16 mtompset Thanks, I went to the wiki and searched for meeting. It came up.
01:19 mtompset I guess this meeting is bad for our European friends?
01:19 jcamins Very.
01:19 mtompset drojf++
01:19 mtompset ++drojf # can't remember syntax. :)
01:20 jcamins YOu had it right the first time. :)
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01:44 bag be about 5 minutes late
01:44 mtompset Noted, bag.
01:45 libsysguy_dinner /nick libsysguy
01:45 libsysguy_dinner oops
01:46 * druthb mocks libsysguy derisively, then hugs him
01:46 libsysguy "
01:46 libsysguy :'(
01:46 * libsysguy runs away in tears
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01:46 mtompset druthb: nice to see you again! How are you?
01:46 mtompset libsysguy: Have a good dinner/supper/tea/whatever you want to call it?
01:47 druthb Doing okay.  It's been a brisk couple of weeks for me.
01:47 libsysguy mtompset yes Anna cooked a butternut squash risotto
01:47 mtompset Not really into squash, myself, but that still sounds delicious. :)
01:48 khall Sounds fancy
01:48 libsysguy its pureed
01:48 mtompset Ooooo.... pureed. ;)
01:48 libsysguy and then parmesan crusted tilapia
01:48 druthb mmmmm
01:48 mtompset Tilapia is delicious.
01:48 khall That sounds good
01:49 * gmcharlt is suddenly hungry
01:49 khall Heh
01:49 mtompset Though, I prefered filet, because I really hate bones. :)
01:49 libsysguy yeah Anna is an *Awesome* cook
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01:49 libsysguy ah yes I hate the bones too
01:50 libsysguy I always miss one
01:50 libsysguy stinkin salmon steaks
01:50 * wizzyrea has never had a bone in a tilapia
01:50 khall First world problems ;-)
01:50 mtompset Their bones are thinner/smaller.
01:51 mtompset Yes, first world problems, khall. :)
01:51 mtompset I agree with you on the salmon steaks, libsysguy.
01:52 libsysguy I guess I've always had tilapia filets
01:53 * khall likes to fish. The only sport where he can read at the same time
01:54 jcamins Hehe.
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02:00 libsysguy meeting time!
02:00 wahanui i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
02:00 libsysguy in 2
02:01 bag ah actually made it
02:02 bag gmcharlt: I had some grilled venison backstrap :D  yummy!
02:02 libsysguy I hope you wrapped it in bacon
02:02 libsysguy that is the only way to eat backstrap
02:02 * gmcharlt is absolutely starving now :)
02:02 JDatTeTakere The vegetarian closes her eyes
02:02 mtompset libsysguy++ # yes to the bacon! :)
02:03 bag Aloo (my dog) actually stole two pieces off of my wifes plate when we were in the other room fixing the salad :P  lucky doggie
02:03 libsysguy #lesson never leave backstrap for salad
02:04 wizzyrea right so meeting time?
02:04 bag the salad was on par :P
02:05 mtompset meeting time 2 minutes ago?
02:05 cjh yeah, apparently we all missed it.
02:05 wizzyrea yes, are we going to have a meeting?
02:05 cjh oh well, always next time.
02:05 kathryn present!
02:05 khall Yeah, meeting time
02:05 mtompset Yes. Let's start the meeting.
02:05 bag wizzyrea: you wanna chair it?
02:06 bag or is there someone who should be doing that?
02:06 * bag votes not me
02:06 * libsysguy thought it was cait
02:06 bag ah cait :)
02:06 * libsysguy could be wrong
02:06 wizzyrea gmcharlt - would you mind starting meetbot?
02:07 eythian meatbot
02:07 gmcharlt #startmeeting
02:07 huginn gmcharlt: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
02:07 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
02:07 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
02:07 libsysguy heh
02:07 gmcharlt #startmeeting General Meeting, 2012-02-06
02:07 huginn Meeting started Thu Feb  7 02:05:11 2013 UTC.  The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at
02:07 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
02:07 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06)
02:07 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting__2012_02_06'
02:07 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, CatalystIT
02:07 wizzyrea present yourselves.
02:07 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, Equinox
02:07 JDatTeTakere #info Joanne Dillon (JD), Te Takere
02:07 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater, Translation Manager 3.12
02:07 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand (currently at DrupalCon Sydney)
02:07 wizzyrea (please :)
02:07 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:08 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, Bywater, QAA
02:08 kathryn #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT
02:08 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett, Canada
02:08 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT
02:08 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
02:08 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
02:08 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12
02:08 wizzyrea agenda?
02:08 wahanui i guess agenda is a wiki
02:08 mtompset[…]g,_9_January_2013
02:08 wizzyrea[…],_7_February_2013
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02:08 mtompset Oops... wrong one. :)
02:09 nancyk #info nancyk Reno, Nevada
02:09 mtompset (I was reading the back actions)
02:09 khall #info Kyle M Hall, Bywater
02:09 trea #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions
02:09 wizzyrea Right, so hello everybody, welcome to the Koha community meeting, I'll be your taskmaster today
02:09 wizzyrea to start with, we have Announcements
02:09 jcamins I think gmcharlt has to chair the meeting.
02:10 wizzyrea does anyone have any announcements that aren't already on the agenda?
02:10 mtompset (because he started the meeting?)
02:10 jcamins mtompset: right.
02:10 wizzyrea right well.
02:10 gmcharlt #chair wizzyrea
02:10 huginn Current chairs: gmcharlt wizzyrea
02:11 mtompset Solved. :)
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02:11 wizzyrea right, so, see above :P
02:11 wizzyrea announcements?
02:11 wizzyrea births, deaths, new migrations you want to brag about
02:11 wizzyrea going once
02:11 mtompset I could be back on Koha development...
02:11 mtompset shortly. :)
02:12 wizzyrea cool :)
02:12 wizzyrea features you're developing that you want to suggest a sign off for
02:12 wizzyrea nothing?
02:12 wahanui nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
02:12 libsysguy possibly the nginx installer?
02:12 wizzyrea ok then on to the 3.8 update - rangi you about?
02:12 * libsysguy pipes down
02:13 wizzyrea nah, if you want to talk about that you go ahead
02:13 wajasu if i migrate to koha-packages and i want ICU(or ICR whatever for the character choice), is that a manual adjustment?
02:13 libsysguy nah, its out there, if anybody cares to look at it, go for it
02:13 jcamins wajasu: yes, but right now we're in the middle of a meeting.
02:13 wajasu my bad
02:13 mtompset Nothing big... just if I get SAML 2.0 to work, we could get wider acceptance of Koha in the organization. :)
02:13 wizzyrea I think 3.8 and 3.10 are going along ok - I don't know if there's all that much to say about it
02:14 wizzyrea so on to Update about 3.12
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02:14 jcamins Yes.
02:14 jcamins I sent out a timeline a few days ago.
02:14 wizzyrea I saw that the schedule was posted - jcamins do you have a link for the irc log?
02:14 jcamins I do not.
02:14 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
02:15 wizzyrea ok, so how are you feeling about 3.12
02:15 jcamins (looking now)
02:15 wizzyrea you talk, I'll look ;)
02:15 bag and thank you jcamins - nice to have it some what more clear :)
02:15 jcamins Thanks.
02:15 jcamins Well, on the one hand, lots of great things are going into 3.12.
02:15 bag also give the french hackfest an idea of things to tackle
02:15 jcamins And it's pretty stable for a release at this point in the cycle.
02:16 jcamins However, we have a *massive* backlog of patches.
02:16 wizzyrea #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ruary/038846.html
02:16 jcamins As of right now, I would say that at least 50% of the outstanding enhancements have no chance of getting into 3.12.
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02:16 jcamins We have...
02:16 jcamins 138 bugs awaiting sign off.
02:16 mtompset 50%?! :(
02:16 jcamins 129 bugs awaiting QA.
02:17 jcamins mtompset: at least.
02:17 jcamins Of those, the majority are enhancements.
02:17 jcamins Bug fixes naturally need to receive priority, but I would _really_ like to see more of the good code we have go into 3.12.
02:17 thd Could you not delegate some of the task to allow the backlog to be managed?
02:17 dcook Random question for rangi or anyone else who might know...
02:17 wizzyrea sounds like it's time for a pep talk :)
02:17 wizzyrea dcook - meeting
02:17 jcamins thd: no, because it's not my backlog.
02:18 jcamins We need people to test.
02:18 wizzyrea and very good test plans
02:18 jcamins If people don't test, the code doesn't go in.
02:18 jcamins For 3.14 it might be a good idea to have a larger QA team.
02:18 jcamins But for 3.12 we don't have that.
02:18 thd That bottleneck should be in principle easier to solve than a RM backlog.
02:18 jcamins thd: yes, and I look forward to seeing the situation improve.
02:19 jcamins However, as the feature freeze approaches, it will be too late.
02:19 wizzyrea so the moral is, if you submit a patch, test one too, sign off if you can, mark it if you can't
02:19 jcamins There are only 168 hours a week, and I can't spend more than half of them on RM work.
02:20 jcamins As a reminder, new developments written during the hackfest will be held for 3.14.
02:20 jcamins And that's the status.
02:20 jcamins Any questions?
02:20 jcamins #info Everyone needs to test.
02:20 mtompset How could we solve the 50% problem now?
02:20 jcamins #info Test plans are NOT OPTIONAL.
02:20 wizzyrea test patches
02:20 thd What is the status of work on a boot system from which a new patch could be tested?
02:21 jcamins thd: it exists, the problem is *not* technical.
02:21 jcamins mtompset: every developer should test at least one patch.
02:21 cjh jcamins: is the bottleneck more of a qa or sign-off thing?
02:21 dcook #info David Cook, Sydney, Australia
02:21 wizzyrea both, at the moment
02:21 libsysguy based on the numbers I'd say half and half
02:21 gmcharlt #info write your patches to be easy to test -- e.g., separate whitespace changes into their own patches, include POD, and repeat, include test cases
02:21 jcamins cjh: the bottleneck is worse at QA, thanks to the reduced number of QAers, but only barely.
02:21 thd Actually, bootable is too high a barrier of entry.
02:22 jcamins thd: I look forward to seeing a an improved sandbox implementation.
02:22 wizzyrea if you have a good test plans (possibly even instructions on how to get your data into a testable state) it really, really helps
02:23 jcamins Anything else?
02:23 wahanui Anything else is a guess
02:23 bag HA
02:23 wizzyrea Righto then, I realize I haven't been marking the agenda items - gmcharlt how does one do that (an example would be fine)
02:24 gmcharlt wizzyrea: do #topic FOO
02:24 wizzyrea #topic Kohacon2013
02:24 Topic for #koha is now Kohacon2013 (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06)
02:24 wizzyrea whee!
02:24 nancyk #info Contract with the hotel signing this week.
02:24 jcamins Hooray!
02:24 wizzyrea right, so nancyk,
02:24 wizzyrea excellent
02:25 nancyk will be settting up registration and other info
02:25 wizzyrea is there anything you need help on from the global community?
02:25 nancyk #info a generous vendor has promised to sponsor
02:26 nancyk #info suggestions are always welcome
02:26 nancyk that's it for now
02:26 wizzyrea very cool - sounds like you've got it in hand. Any questions for nancyk?
02:26 JDatTeTakere I have a general question about Koha cons
02:26 wizzyrea go for it
02:27 JDatTeTakere What level of Koha user is the hackfest for?
02:27 bag any upcoming timeline?  like proposals due for talks?  or anything like that
02:27 nancyk not yet, but soon
02:27 * dcook has the same question as JDatTeTakere
02:27 bag JDatTeTakere: any level is more than welcome
02:27 wizzyrea my experience says "every level"
02:27 dcook To go off that, what's the purpose of the con?
02:27 nancyk #info we have an iRC meeting on the 19th
02:28 JDatTeTakere Awesome - thank you. Looking forward to my first KohaCon
02:28 wizzyrea it's really helpful to have users around when designing things
02:28 dcook While I already have some support for sending me over, I'd like to know what to expect to gain/contribute to it
02:28 libsysguy indeed, not everyone needs to know how to modify the marc editor :)
02:28 * libsysguy shudders
02:28 thd JDatTeTakere: With free software every user at any level should be a developer.
02:29 wizzyrea @quote add thd: With free software every user at any level should be a developer
02:29 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
02:29 JDatTeTakere Thanks everyone...looking forward to meeting some of you in real life
02:29 nancyk Iwant to know how to become a tester
02:29 wizzyrea yep, bring it up at the hackfest :)
02:29 jcamins nancyk: excellent!
02:29 bag nancyk++
02:29 wizzyrea right so -
02:29 JDatTeTakere Me tester
02:29 jcamins nancyk: after the meeting I'll walk you through it.
02:29 jcamins JDatTeTakere: you too.
02:29 wizzyrea #topic Roles for 3.14 (code name PI)
02:29 Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.14 (code name PI) (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06)
02:29 jcamins :)
02:30 libsysguy we're calling it PI !!
02:30 libsysguy excellent
02:30 wizzyrea no, that's just me. You can feel free to adopt that.
02:30 mtompset Does that mean 15 minor releases? ;)
02:30 gmcharlt or a big tiger release
02:30 wizzyrea ha
02:30 bag Well I've got a thought here and an idea - I'd like to bounce off all of you
02:30 wizzyrea right, so roles
02:31 wizzyrea bag, please go ahead
02:31 bag libsysguy, khall and I - as a three headed monster for RM
02:31 jcamins A three-person RM team?
02:31 bag between the three of us we can split up time and duties - with RM and some QA etc...
02:32 wizzyrea well I think you are perfectly within your rights to put out a proposal for that setup
02:32 bag yes we work closely everyday as a group - so it wouldn't be anything new to us
02:32 bag so I'm asking crazy or not?
02:32 jcamins bag: crazy.
02:32 wizzyrea I think I'd need to see a formalised proposal.
02:32 jcamins The coordination will drive you to an early grave.
02:32 cjh ^^ my concerns.
02:32 mtompset Dito.
02:32 libsysguy I don't think diving up the time would be a bad idea
02:32 libsysguy but
02:33 libsysguy I have never been in the position before
02:33 libsysguy so I don't want to go grey at 24 :p
02:33 * gmcharlt would suggest increasing the numbers of the QA team first
02:33 wizzyrea *nod*
02:33 khall Could you explain the coordination issues
02:34 dcook What does it take to be on the QA team?
02:34 cjh the idea of an 'RM mentoring program' does sound interesting though
02:34 dcook Not that I'm nominating myself at the moment, but I'm curious.
02:34 bag dcook: volunteering
02:34 jcamins dcook: a willingness to test thoroughly and offer useful feedback.
02:34 dcook Willingness and ability are one thing
02:34 dcook Are tests all automated or is a certain level of knowledge required?
02:34 wizzyrea perhaps a good understanding of the style rules that govern us
02:34 dcook Or is this still where testing plans come in ?
02:34 jcamins A certain level of knowledge, but you'll learn. :)
02:34 * libsysguy would like to automate test
02:35 bag libsysguy++
02:35 khall Testing plans are more for sign offs
02:35 libsysguy jcamins has a step in the right direction with the requisite of unit tests for all backend code
02:35 thd dcook: If the code could be self validating there would be no need for QA people.
02:35 cjh as qa you will have to read some code, mostly checking for style conformance. The tests are automated, but if they fail it can help to know if it is you or the patch that is causing this.
02:35 JDatTeTakere I'm happy to put my hand up for something...not sure whether it's testing or QA or something else.
02:36 jcamins khall: as an example, look at bug 9239.
02:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
02:36 khall A sign off says the feature works, a qa says the feature doesn't break anything
02:36 libsysguy ah carp
02:36 jcamins It actually failed QA and then was marked "passed" by someone else.
02:36 jcamins libsysguy: sorry to pick on you.
02:36 khall In general
02:36 libsysguy its cool
02:36 libsysguy I owned that one
02:36 * druthb picks on libsysguy all the time; he's used to it.
02:36 * libsysguy knew that would come back to bite me
02:37 cjh khall: qa also means that the feature is conforming to the project guidelines (style, testing, etc.)
02:37 mtompset mistakes always do, libsysguy. Don't feel bad. :)
02:37 khall Cjh, absolutely!
02:38 dcook I'm encouraged by jcamins's faith ;)
02:38 wizzyrea I feel the need to note that if the 3 person Rteam were installed, ByWater would have docmanager, translation manager, and RM all at the same time
02:38 jcamins wizzyrea: that's a good point.
02:39 dcook I'm still trying to get back into a stable work routine at the moment, but I would be willing to learn more about being on the QA team. If nothing else, I could take on a lot of the little signed off patches that would free up the bigger QA guns
02:39 bag no worries I just didn't see anyone else offering up - and I know jcamins doesn't want to do another round
02:39 jcamins bag: if necessary, I'll do it again.
02:39 dcook Hmm, what's involved with docmanager?
02:39 libsysguy nengard
02:39 wizzyrea keeping the manual up to date
02:39 * dcook has been thinking about doing some work on the documentation
02:40 libsysguy oh waht not who
02:40 wizzyrea keeping the online help up to date
02:40 bag we also need RMaint's etc
02:40 dcook I was thinking of actually shooting Nicole an email about collaborating on the manual if nothing else
02:40 jcamins dcook++
02:40 kathryn[…]ki/I_want_to_help <-- of interest?
02:40 druthb dcook++
02:40 cjh dcook++ awesome
02:40 wizzyrea yes I am sure nicole would be happy to share
02:40 wizzyrea repsonsibility on that
02:40 jcamins Speaking as the current RM, I'd encourage everyone who wants to RM try RMainting first.
02:41 bag I think rangi would perfer more time signing off on things than Rmaint-ing (but he speaks for himself better than I do )
02:41 jcamins It's good practice.
02:41 wizzyrea ^^
02:41 * gmcharlt is considering a prposal for RM or an RMaint ... and I also have some ideas on potential ways to spread the load
02:41 wizzyrea right so - What I think we are wanting
02:41 jcamins Concrete proposals?
02:42 gmcharlt jcamins: yes, but I'll need to cogitate a bit
02:42 wizzyrea is if you are interested - do up a proposal for what you want to accomplish as RM - simply as an example[…]osal_for_QAM_3.12 and[…]posal_for_RM-3.12
02:43 druthb On the less-contentious side of things, I've been learning the TM role, and have had some lovely help from cait and tcohen in particular.  If no one else wants it, I'll continue.
02:43 wizzyrea #action interested parties should submit their proposals for release team duties to the wiki, and mail the link to the devel list
02:43 wizzyrea those who want to stay on I think simply need to state that
02:44 wizzyrea and if you concretely want out of a role, please say and we will actively try to find someone to relieve you
02:44 bag probably vote next meeting?
02:44 jcamins bag: two meetings, I think.
02:44 wizzyrea that was the plan I believe
02:44 wizzyrea oh, what he said
02:44 wizzyrea #info vote for release team is in two meetings time
02:45 dcook I thought that said two minutes...
02:45 * dcook facepalm
02:45 wizzyrea Right, any more discussion needed on Roles for Pi?
02:45 wizzyrea All righty then
02:46 wizzyrea #topic actions from 9 Jan meeting
02:46 Topic for #koha is now actions from 9 Jan meeting (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06)
02:46 dcook Quick question on roles
02:46 wizzyrea shoot
02:46 dcook Do they just go under the Participation category on the wiki? Seems like a Proposal category/sub-category might be an idea, so it's not filing by the page title
02:47 wizzyrea sure, it's a wiki you can categorise however you want to :)
02:47 dcook Hehe. Noted.
02:48 wizzyrea so right, Actions from last meeting - looks like we have made some progress with bugzilla cleaning
02:49 wizzyrea Does anyone have any idea what magnus has been up to with the dev handbook?
02:49 wizzyrea any progress to report?
02:49 jcamins I do not know.
02:49 wizzyrea righty o then
02:49 wizzyrea that brings us to
02:49 wizzyrea #topic set time and date for next meeting
02:49 Topic for #koha is now set time and date for next meeting (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06)
02:50 wizzyrea this is the part I am very bad at.
02:50 thd Wiki categories are extensible and you can extend them as needed.
02:50 jcamins 18:00UTC.
02:50 wizzyrea dcook - thd is quite adept with the wiki
02:50 jcamins Second Wednesday.
02:50 wizzyrea that's gonna be 13 Mar. 18:00 UTC
02:51 dcook Hmm
02:51 jcamins Sure.
02:51 wizzyrea 2013, future dwellers.
02:51 jcamins +1
02:51 gmcharlt +1
02:51 jwagner +1
02:51 druthb +1
02:52 thd +1
02:52 dcook I won't disagree but I'm not going to be up at 5am
02:52 JDatTeTakere +1
02:52 cjh +1
02:52 wizzyrea #info Next meeting time 13 March 2013, 18:00 UTC
02:52 davidnind +1
02:52 khall +1
02:52 wizzyrea Thank you friends for a most excellent meeting - anything else before we wrap this up?
02:52 thd That is actually Wednesday UTC next time.
02:52 dcook I did have a question before about Kohacon
02:53 bag +1
02:53 nancyk I'm still here
02:53 dcook Well, it's a generic question. What is the purpose of Koha con?
02:53 dcook Discussing the future? Success stories of the present? All the above? None of the above?
02:53 wizzyrea it's a global gathering of koha users and developers for the enrichment of all of them
02:53 druthb All the above, and more.
02:54 nancyk Training, sharing, mentoring, planning , working
02:54 dcook Mmmm
02:54 dcook Excellent. Thank you for all your answers :)
02:54 druthb Socializin', sticking faces with names, at last...
02:54 * thd races to the market before closing
02:54 wizzyrea later thd
02:54 wizzyrea #endmeeting
02:54 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software
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02:54 dcook True enough. I'm excited to meet folks in person
02:54 wizzyrea yussss
02:54 druthb Beer.
02:54 dcook And beer
02:54 JDatTeTakere Thanks wizzyrea
02:55 nancyk It will be a lot of fun!
02:55 druthb wizzyrea++
02:55 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
02:56 jcamins Okay, some people were interested in testing.
02:56 JDatTeTakere :-)
02:56 jcamins I'm on the phone, but just to drive my wife nuts, I'll type too...
02:56 JDatTeTakere I can wait
02:57 dcook wizzyrea++
02:57 jcamins Actually... you're in NZ, so it'll be daytime for you for a while.
02:57 jcamins nancyk: would it be possible to set up a time to give you a tutorial during our day?
02:57 cjh jcamins++
02:57 nancyk How to become a tester would be a good presentation
02:58 jcamins nancyk: it would be, and I hope someone will be giving it.
02:58 nancyk I'm bad at guessing time zones, but ok
02:58 jcamins nancyk: "our day" = "when it is daytime for you"
02:58 jcamins Ask anyone on #koha when it is "not day" for me. ;)
02:59 * mtompset grins.
02:59 JDatTeTakere What time is it for you now?
02:59 jcamins 10pm.
02:59 jcamins If it weren't for my phone call to my wife, I'd do it now. :)
02:59 nancyk 7PM on the 6th
02:59 JDatTeTakere Later is fine.
03:00 jcamins nancyk: if you are going to be around tomorrow morning (your time), just hop on and I'll take some time to go over testing with you. :)
03:00 nancyk husband and dog are wanting dinner, ok ,i'll hop!
03:00 * dcook thinks it is always daytime in jcamins brain.
03:01 jcamins dcook: pretty much.
03:01 nancyk bye
03:02 druthb left #koha
03:02 * libsysguy thinks if I don't leave soon his Swede is going to be pissed
03:02 wizzyrea libsysguy?
03:02 wahanui libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
03:02 libsysguy ignore the grammer
03:02 * wizzyrea nods
03:02 libsysguy and have a good night
03:02 libsysguy :)
03:02 wizzyrea you should go party on the deck.
03:02 libsysguy oh I will ;)
03:03 cjh koha's youngest dev?
03:03 libsysguy later wizzyrea
03:03 libsysguy oh…yeah that too
03:03 libsysguy I think
03:03 wizzyrea mmm no
03:03 jcamins Not anymore.
03:03 libsysguy pianohacker may have it
03:03 wizzyrea mragent075 is
03:03 libsysguy oh
03:03 dcook :o
03:03 cjh Im pretty sure im younger than you, but im not the youngest to have a patch in.
03:03 jcamins mragent075.
03:03 wizzyrea 16
03:03 wahanui i heard mragent075 was our academy student :)
03:03 cjh heh
03:03 libsysguy ah dang it
03:03 dcook Just wait until I have some sprogs
03:03 libsysguy well I just turned 24
03:04 libsysguy gnight
03:04 dcook night libsysguy
03:04 dcook I thought I was young at 25 :p
03:04 bag painohacker was 14 when he got a patch in
03:04 wizzyrea ah yep cjh and pianohacker and mragent075 all younger than you
03:04 dcook Which reminds me, how old is jcamins?
03:04 JDatTeTakere Old enough to have a wife
03:04 * dcook doesn't make that joke
03:05 cjh hmm i'll have to check how old Bart was when his first patch went in
03:05 jcamins 26
03:05 wizzyrea ah yep, I forgot him and jorgia
03:06 dcook I thought so, jcamins. I'm astounded by how much you've done in that time.
03:06 JDatTeTakere Should we schedule a better time to learn about testing jcamins?
03:06 cjh wizzyrea: iirc jorgia was in her 2nd to last year of high-school, bart was a year or so younger.
03:06 jcamins JDatTeTakere: no, if you'll be around for a while, I'll be off the phone soon.
03:06 JDatTeTakere OK...officially on holiday but can hang around.
03:07 jcamins JDatTeTakere: in that case, go home!
03:07 jcamins We can do this when you get back easily. :)
03:07 jcamins No need to test on your holiday!
03:07 dcook People are pretty good about helping out with questions on testing as well
03:07 * dcook just learned last year, so it's still pretty fresh. Especially when it comes to thinks that aren't on the wiki...yet
03:07 dcook things*
03:08 wizzyrea what things?
03:08 wahanui things are quiet here. I think most people are still running on holiday brain.
03:08 wizzyrea forget things
03:08 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot things
03:08 * dcook ponders
03:08 JDatTeTakere It's OK jcamins...I am at home.
03:09 cjh dcook: if you learn something that isnt on the wiki, please consider adding it :)
03:09 dcook I had to set up my git bz again recently, and I don't think the config on the wiki worked
03:09 wizzyrea it worked for me 2 weeks ago
03:09 wizzyrea >.>
03:09 dcook I had to Google the IRC log where jcamins and...mtj I think explained it a bit more
03:09 wizzyrea <.<
03:09 dcook Different systems I assume
03:09 wizzyrea < ubuntu
03:09 dcook < opensuse
03:09 dcook without root access :p
03:09 wizzyrea hm, shouldn't matter. Well that might matter.
03:09 jcamins It shouldn't matter.
03:10 jcamins I can walk you through git-bz after I help JDatTeTakere.
03:10 dcook You already did :p
03:10 dcook My config is based on what you told me last year
03:10 wajasu anyone here familiar with the template toolkit strategy for koha?
03:10 jcamins Right, but if it doesn't work, we'll fix it. :)
03:10 dcook ?
03:10 jcamins wajasu: huh?
03:10 dcook Ah no
03:10 dcook Sorry, jcamins.
03:10 dcook It got blitzed one day, so I had to re-install and re-configure
03:11 dcook Using the IRC logs rather than the wiki. I've updated the wiki since then.
03:11 dcook wajasu: strategy?
03:11 wajasu if i want to generate a different search URL based on a syspref setting, is there an example or desired way to do this.
03:11 wajasu INClude, or custom function
03:13 dcook I imagine you could just do it with a TT conditional
03:13 dcook If syspref, then this url
03:13 dcook Or do it on the perl side
03:13 * dcook is confused
03:14 wajasu that makes sense.
03:15 wajasu i just need to get familiar with things like: where is the perl side :)
03:15 dcook Ahh.
03:15 dcook Well, what is it that you're trying to do?
03:16 dcook In terms of generating the different search URL?
03:16 wajasu i need to get some query params to change based on UseAuthoritesForTracings
03:16 wajasu the Authors  links aren't changing like that do for the XSLT views.
03:17 dcook Hmm. Have you filed a bug report?
03:17 wajasu instead of  au:Joe Cool , I need the format using the RLIN.
03:17 wajasu i'm writing one now.
03:19 dcook The way I see it, you'll want to see what the variable name is that renders as au:Joe Cool in the template
03:20 dcook Then you'll want to go to the associated Perl script. Before it pushes the variable/parameter to the template, you'll want to write a condition that detects if UseAuthoritiesForTracings is set, and then change that variable to the authority number (which might be floating around in a variable around there or you might need to use retrieve it some other way)
03:21 dcook Is this in the search results or the detail page? Or both?
03:21 dcook I imagine you'll want to look at,, and
03:21 wajasu  and think)
03:21 dcook Mmm, in that case and
03:22 wajasu its easy if you grep for UseAuthoritesForTracings in the xslt templates.
03:22 dcook is probably written to from as well
03:23 dcook Hmm, actually, now that I think about it...
03:23 wajasu i'll look into building the queryparms string in the perl, and exposing it as a variable to be substituted.
03:23 dcook I'm not sure. Your answer will lie in and most likely though
03:23 wajasu thanks.
03:24 dcook No worries. I'm intrigued. I'm actually looking at other authority stuff at the moment. Good luck!
03:25 wizzyrea there is no way to generate all of the invoices for patrons who have lost items, is there?
03:25 * wizzyrea thinks there is not but... just checking.
03:26 dcook Can't say that I've ever heard it come up
03:38 jcamins JDatTeTakere: okay, the good news is that testing is easy!
03:38 jcamins The bad news is, it's never ending.
03:38 JDatTeTakere OK...what do I need to know
03:38 jcamins There are two ways to test patches for Koha.
03:39 jcamins The first is using the "sandboxes."
03:40 jcamins
03:40 jcamins That page has instructions for using sandboxes.
03:40 jcamins The second is by running a Koha installation on a spare server or virtual machine.
03:40 JDatTeTakere OK...I'll check out the sandboxes.
03:41 JDatTeTakere I actually have a spare PC floating around here at home that I was thinking of installing Koha on...
03:41 jcamins The second allows you to test a wider variety of patches.
03:41 jcamins The sandboxes can only test certain kinds of patches.
03:41 JDatTeTakere OK...
03:41 JDatTeTakere But sandboxes are a good way to start?
03:41 jcamins In particular, any patch that involves a change to Zebra can't be tested using sandboxes.
03:42 jcamins Oh yes!
03:42 JDatTeTakere Zebra is the search engine?
03:42 jcamins Right.
03:43 jcamins So I'll quickly go over the procedure for testing on sandboxes.
03:43 JDatTeTakere Cool - thanks
03:43 jcamins Step one is to choose a patch for testing.
03:44 bag good night I'm heading home
03:44 jcamins If you go to you'll see a "Bug statuses" section about halfway down.
03:45 jcamins "Needs Signoff" is a link that will always get you to a list of the patches awaiting sign off.
03:45 JDatTeTakere Yes, see that
03:45 JDatTeTakere So I need to set up an account in Bugzilla
03:45 dcook Night bag
03:45 jcamins (that's the only link that will always work, whether you're logged in or not, which is why I took you the long way around)
03:46 jcamins Yes, you'll definitely want an account on Bugzilla.
03:46 jcamins However, you actually do not need an account to use the sandboxes.
03:47 wajasu jcamins: if i do a package install, and a dev install with (ICU), would it be sufficient to just diff the zebra configs directory hierarchy to determine what i need to change after a package install?
03:48 jcamins wajasu: it should.
03:48 jcamins JDatTeTakere: so from that list you'd need to choose a bug that you think you can test.
03:48 jcamins For example, bug 9484.
03:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages)
03:49 wajasu jcamins: ok. i feel better about migrating to packages
03:49 jcamins (once there's a test plan... I have no idea what the problem is)
03:49 jcamins But let's assume that we know how to test that bug for the moment.
03:50 jcamins On that wiki page are links to the sandboxes that are set up.
03:50 JDatTeTakere OK
03:51 jcamins So you could choose sandbox1, follow the link to set up the sandbox ([…]/koha/, fill in the bug number and e-mail address (and choose a database).
03:51 jcamins You'll get an e-mail saying that the sandbox is set up, at which point you can log into the staff client and work through the test plan.
03:52 JDatTeTakere How do I choose a database?
03:52 jcamins If it works, you use the same setup page to sign off.
03:52 jcamins That setup page gives you an option.
03:53 jcamins You will almost always want the "tiny MARC21" database.
03:53 JDatTeTakere OK...that's what I meant
03:54 jcamins If it doesn't work, you will need a login for Bugzilla.
03:54 JDatTeTakere I have a login...
03:54 jcamins You log in and change the status to "Failed QA" and explain what the problem is.
03:54 jcamins Then the developer can fix it. :)
03:54 JDatTeTakere And then it's released for testing again?
03:55 jcamins Exactly.
03:55 jcamins We hope.
03:55 JDatTeTakere :-)
03:55 JDatTeTakere OK...I'll try to find one that I can test now then.
03:55 jcamins Sometimes patches just get abandoned at that point. :(
03:56 * dcook takes that as an incentive to go back to a patch he may or may not have sort of abandoned but always meant to go back to
03:56 jcamins Hehe.
03:57 jcamins A lot of prolific developers just forget at that point.
03:57 JDatTeTakere Thanks for your held jcamins
03:57 jcamins You're welcome.
03:57 JDatTeTakere
03:57 jcamins And if you have any questions, someone on #koha will help out.
03:57 wizzyrea bug 9115 might be a good one
03:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9115 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , basket window should close automatically when placing a hold
03:58 jcamins Excellent one!
03:58 wizzyrea oh nm that one's for me :P
03:58 JDatTeTakere Damn...wizzyrea beat me to the sandbox.
03:58 jcamins Hehe.
03:59 wizzyrea no I meant, it's for 3.6 ;)
03:59 jcamins If it's a backport, it's your call whether it needs another signoff.
04:02 jcamins @quote search C4::Search
04:02 huginn jcamins: 1 found: #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt"
04:02 jcamins @quote search C4
04:02 huginn jcamins: 4 found: #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an...", #210: "< oleonard> You could carpet a floor in FIXME's...", #211: "<paul_p> mtate a bug in C4/Search ? That's...", and #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt"
04:02 jcamins @quote search stares
04:02 huginn jcamins: 1 found: #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21,..."
04:05 bag oh yeah wizzyrea "I feel the need to note that if the 3 person Rteam were installed, ByWater would have docmanager, translation manager, and RM all at the same time"  I actually like that - getting accused of trying to volunteer too much :)  At least we are trying
04:05 bag wizzyrea++
04:05 bag :D
04:05 bag I as going to say that earlier but didn't think in the middle of meeting was right :P
04:10 rangi connor is the youngest at 14
04:11 jcamins Oh, I didn't realize he was that young.
04:28 dcook Hmm...there is something funny with the opac css on master
04:29 jcamins dcook: oh?
04:29 dcook line 1918 of opac.css
04:29 dcook The padding left isn't being picked up it seems, and it's pushing the cart graphic above the text
04:29 jcamins Hm.
04:31 dcook Unless it's my dev install or browser screwing things up for some reason
04:31 dcook #cartmenulink {
04:31 dcook padding-left: .7em\0/;
04:31 dcook } works
04:32 dcook #cartmenulink {
04:32 dcook padding-left: .7emurl(0/);
04:32 dcook }
04:32 dcook is what shows up in master
04:32 dcook At leat in my browser
04:32 jcamins Looks right to me on my server.
04:32 jcamins
04:33 dcook Hmm
04:34 dcook Must be my Chrome being grumpy
04:34 dcook FF works fine
04:35 dcook I've noticed that Chrome often gets the shits with me when I'm using my dev install
04:35 jcamins Did you try clearing the cache?
04:37 dcook I've just tried bypassing it with shift + f5
04:37 jcamins Shift+F5 doesn't refresh CSS and Javascript in Chrome.
04:37 jcamins Try Ctrl+F5.
04:37 dcook Just tried that too
04:37 jcamins Or Alt+F5.
04:37 jcamins I can never remember.
04:37 dcook I swear that I've had it refresh CSS and Javascript before though
04:37 jcamins Sometimes.
04:38 wajasu ls
04:38 * wajasu whoops
04:39 dcook Hmm, tried emptying the cache
04:39 dcook Probably need to exit and reopen Chrome
04:39 dcook But all the tabs...
04:43 dcook Hmm, that's disconcerting
04:47 jcamins Hrm.
04:47 dcook Tried flushing the memcache, tried opening and closing the browser
04:47 jcamins The patch for bug 9552 doesn't work for me.
04:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Passed QA , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
04:47 dcook Really?
04:47 dcook What's it do?
04:48 jcamins Cause nginx conniptions.
04:48 jcamins ",gt" in the URL seems to be the problem.
04:48 dcook Weird...are you able to use ",lt" ?
04:48 jcamins Hrm.
04:48 jcamins No.
04:48 jcamins Maybe it's just commas.
04:49 dcook They're not encoded?
04:49 jcamins Good question.
04:50 dcook I didn't see where they were encoded in the script, but they certainly were in the address bar when I looked
04:50 jcamins Looks like another Plack issue.
04:51 * jcamins will look at it later.
04:52 jcamins It is, after all, almost midnight.
04:52 jcamins I'll look at one or two easier patches and call it a night.
04:53 dcook I'll put together my opac css one in a sec :p
04:53 dcook Ahh, but you're looking at pushing not signing or qaing
04:53 dcook You are certainly a trooper
04:53 jcamins Right.
04:53 dcook I reiterate what I said before. I don't know where you find the time, or how you've managed to do so much for only being 26
04:54 jcamins Thanks. :)
04:55 dcook You're very welcome. I'd love to hear more about all you've done some time when you have free time. Maybe it'll even be at KohaCon13
04:55 jcamins :)
04:55 jcamins I'm always happy to talk.
04:59 dcook I like to listen :). Most people I know in libraries/library IT are either at the eginning of their careers with little experience or near the end with very different interests and career pathways. Always glad to hear from people with similar interests who work in the same speciality
05:00 jcamins I'd say that I fit in the first category, but just the other day I said "yes, I did that in the public library I worked at a decade ago."
05:01 jcamins (and let me tell you, that was a really weird thing to find yourself saying)
05:02 jcamins *that is
05:03 dcook Hehe, I bet
05:03 dcook I started in libraries about 6 years ago and even that sounds pretty weird at this point
05:03 dcook I just got my MLIS in December and many of my classmates had never worked in a library
05:04 dcook Not that I want to distract you, but where did all the computer science and Koha stuff come into the mix? During your BA/MLIS?
05:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7507' into 3.12-master <[…]c533a0c7cf70ff7a2> / Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences <[…]748e7f52e48bbc77c> / Merge branch 'bug_9546' into 3.12-master <
05:04 jcamins Before, actually.
05:05 jcamins I was a programmer before starting college.
05:05 jcamins Then I decided I was done with that game.
05:05 dcook Self-taught programmer in high school?
05:05 jcamins Well, my father is a very senior developer.
05:06 dcook Ahhh.
05:06 jcamins So he taught me when I was little (very little!).
05:06 dcook I might be planning that a little bit for my future wee ones :p
05:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #1038 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:06 jcamins And I had the good fortune to be hired by a software company as soon as I could get a work permit thingy.
05:07 dcook My dad taught me how to use DOS and Windows 3.1. He's not a power user, but he knew more back then than most people in my rural community
05:07 dcook That's always good :)
05:07 dcook Admittedly, I'm in that situation about now
05:08 jcamins After college I set off to Afghanistan to be a librarian, and one thing led to another.
05:08 dcook So where was the work permit for? The US?
05:08 jcamins Yeah.
05:08 jcamins You have to get a work permit if you're under 17.
05:09 dcook As a citizen?
05:09 dcook It seems like you have quite the story!
05:09 jcamins Yeah, child labor laws.
05:10 jcamins I'm not sure it's that way in every state, but it is in NJ.
05:10 dcook Intriguing
05:10 dcook So what made you decide to stop being a programmer?
05:11 dcook When I was in high school, I was planning to do CS, but a friend of my sister's convinced me not to and I did English instead
05:11 dcook Since then, I have some regret that I didn't do CS (because of my current knowledge gap), but I do wonder if I would've liked it outside a library context
05:11 jcamins I was a pretty good programmer, but it was very stressful.
05:12 rangi it's far less mental outside of a library context
05:12 dcook Less mental?
05:12 rangi yep
05:12 jcamins rangi: yeah, but the hours...
05:12 * jcamins shudders.
05:13 dcook Mmm, I do know a few people who work for IBM and Telstra
05:13 dcook And yeah...their phone is never off
05:13 rangi you just have to work for a decent company
05:13 jcamins And never ever own your own business.
05:14 jcamins ... oops. :P
05:14 dcook lol
05:14 rangi ive been a programmer for hmm 19 years
05:14 rangi (paid to programme that is)
05:14 dcook jcamins: I debate it back and forth all the time. I see the hours that my boss puts in...but then I also see the control that you have (and the compensation that comes from being the boss although then you have all the expenses and disasters to worry about too)
05:14 dcook How much of that has been in the library context, rangi?
05:15 dcook At least 13?
05:15 rangi naw
05:15 rangi well not in total
05:15 jcamins dcook: I'm mostly kidding. I love having my own business.
05:15 rangi its only really 4 or 5 years when i worked full time on koha stuff
05:15 dcook Always reassuring to hear that
05:15 dcook jcamins
05:16 dcook I still don't know if I would do it, but I don't know what the future will bring. Lots of possibilities it seems.
05:16 jcamins Okay... I'm confused.
05:17 dcook Me too
05:17 jcamins How did pubdate,gt work for you?
05:17 dcook Well, I'm confused for something else
05:17 dcook I didn't try pubdate,gt
05:17 dcook I used acqdate,gt
05:17 jcamins Ah!
05:17 jcamins Thanks.
05:17 dcook I think Galen changed it
05:17 * dcook tries to remember the test plan
05:18 dcook For acqdate, you'll need to use a yyyy-mm-dd string
05:18 dcook But pubdate would just need yyyy, I imagine
05:18 dcook rangi: I don't even know where to start with the questions about the origin of Koha and your own programming experience
05:20 rangi you could read the code4lib article
05:20 rangi
05:21 jcamins Okay, there we go.
05:21 jcamins I haven't the foggiest idea how pubdate,gt could have worked.
05:21 jcamins pubdate,st-year,gt works.
05:22 jcamins However, the patch is an improvement.
05:22 dcook Hmm
05:22 jcamins And we won't have this problem with QueryParser.
05:22 dcook I just tried "pubdate,gt:2012" and it worked
05:22 dcook Well...seemingly
05:23 jcamins Oh, I bet it's GRS-1 vs. DOM.
05:23 dcook Mmm, could be
05:23 dcook You're DOM?
05:25 jcamins Yeah.
05:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9552' into 3.12-master <[…]f7d34026585137935> / Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties <[…]9c394317fb479a6f6>
05:25 dcook Yay!
05:26 wajasu nice
05:27 dcook I have a note to go back and send a patch to kohadocs when I have some time as well
05:27 dcook Seems like Nicole supports the thing almost completely singlehandedly
05:27 jcamins Yup.
05:27 rangi if you fix the french ones, so they stop failing (just change the html entities into the unicode char they should be)
05:27 rangi that would be awesome
05:27 dcook Hm?
05:27 rangi theyve been failing for a year or so
05:27 jcamins That would be very awesome!
05:28 rangi its annoying
05:28 dcook Which french ones?
05:28 dcook The french manuals?
05:28 jcamins Yeah.
05:28 dcook I'll make a note of that as well
05:28 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_Docs/278/console
05:28 dcook Hmm, I've been looking for a way to keep up with my French as well..
05:29 rangi excellent
05:29 dcook I'm really keen to promote Koha more back home in Canada as well. Do the Quebec folks ever drop in on the IRC channel?
05:29 jcamins Sometimes.
05:29 rangi yep
05:29 jcamins Haven't seen them in a while.
05:29 rangi maximep
05:29 rangi seen maximep?
05:29 wahanui maximep was last seen on #koha 19 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: crazy weather [Fri Jan 18 14:56:55 2013]
05:29 rangi seen ebegin
05:29 wahanui ebegin was last seen on #koha 1 years, 32 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: nengard, let me know if the numbering pattern that I suggest in the email works as expected ;) [Fri Jan  6 20:56:18 2012]
05:30 dcook Hmm, maybe I'll have to send some emails their way too
05:30 rangi did you know all the schools PEI use koha?
05:30 dcook I suppose Evergreen is pretty big on the west coast, and I think the community website says that there are some instances of Koha randomly through the mid-west, but...I think that Canada would love Koha
05:30 dcook O_O
05:30 rangi[…]7681&dept=&lang=E
05:30 dcook I did not, but that is awesome!
05:31 rangi[…]blionumber=183759
05:32 dcook That is oh so very cool
05:32 dcook And great promotion material as well...
05:33 dcook Thanks, rangi :)
05:33 dcook I found the available information about use of Koha in Canada to be a bit spotty :/
05:33 rangi well its totally up to people to tell us/someone they are using it
05:34 dcook Oh absolutely
05:34 rangi libraries are notoriously bad at publicity
05:34 dcook Agreed
05:34 rangi i think that is the single biggest problem facing them
05:34 rangi there's a lot of 'how do we be relevant?'
05:34 dcook Interestingly though, I think public libraries in Canada are heaps better than Australia
05:34 jcamins I can't find any problems with 9521.
05:34 rangi the main answer is 'tell people you actually exist and what you offer'
05:34 dcook Very true
05:34 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
05:35 dcook Main answer?
05:35 wahanui i think Main answer is 'tell people you actually exist and what you offer'
05:35 dcook As in the most frequent?
05:35 rangi no as in the one that would actually be useful
05:35 rangi the most frequent is
05:35 rangi lets get ebooks
05:35 jcamins lol
05:35 rangi which since no one knows you have them
05:35 rangi still doesnt help
05:35 jcamins Like Overdrive. :P
05:35 dcook lol
05:35 dcook Ugh...Overdrive...
05:36 dcook That's what I was thinking, rangi
05:36 dcook Typically, at least back home, the library usually has what you want
05:36 dcook For free
05:36 dcook O_O
05:36 rangi yep
05:36 dcook I worked at a law firm down the street from the central library in Vancouver
05:36 dcook I went to the library every day. Amazing resources
05:36 dcook When I was studying legal research, they had up to date legal resources!
05:37 dcook Although the BC Courthouse Library is still probably the best law library for the public that I've ever encountered
05:37 dcook Yeah, maybe I'm a little homesick sometimes ;)
05:37 rangi hehe
05:37 dcook I have to hunt for libraries in Sydney and when I find them...
05:37 rangi yeah
05:37 dcook Any better in NZ or NY?
05:38 rangi its a little better here
05:38 dcook I don't think my sister in Tampa uses her public library as they don't have very good resources and they're difficult to access
05:38 rangi but lots of them are kinda invisible
05:39 jcamins I rarely use the library, actually.
05:39 rangi i cant use the catalogue of our local one
05:40 jcamins We only moved to somewhere the library was convenient again last March.
05:40 rangi it makes me want to stab myself in the eye
05:40 rangi te takere, however, rules
05:40 rangi
05:41 jcamins rangi: thanks for fixing the status flow thing on bugzilla.
05:42 rangi No worries
05:42 jcamins So much better.
05:43 dcook Not bad, rangi. Although where is the catalogue search bar?
05:44 dcook Mmm, I know how that goes, jcamins
05:45 dcook I just recently moved suburbs and have yet to check out my local library. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much,'s a more wealthy neighbourhood than I lived in before, so you never know...
05:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9521' into 3.12-master <[…]3ae075b60e55222b8> / Bug 9521: Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib <[…]2a7c63dc3121d9b5d>
05:48 jcamins Okay, that's it for me.
05:49 jcamins I got through the backlog.
05:49 dcook Nice one!
05:49 jcamins Well, almost.
05:49 dcook G'night!
05:49 jcamins_away Good night.
05:49 wahanui I watch you sleep.
05:50 jcamins_away wahanui: thank goodness!
05:50 wahanui jcamins_away: excuse me?
05:50 dcook lol
05:50 jcamins_away Well, I might need some #koha-style factoids at 4am.
05:51 dcook I suppose you never know
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06:13 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9546 : Updating make manifest tardist
06:13 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences
06:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist
06:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7507 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Audience Subtype limit on Advanced Search does not have all Audiences
06:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #1039 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:15 dcook hi cait :)
06:17 cait h dcook :)
06:39 * dcook wishes there were more hours in the day and more days in the week...
06:41 * cait too
07:03 dcook Speaking of which, I'm finally going to call it a day and get out into the world
07:03 dcook Ta cait and other kohaers!
07:03 cait :)
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07:10 reiveune hello
07:11 rangi hi reiveune
07:11 reiveune hi rangi, cait, magnuse :)
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07:15 drojf good morning #koha
07:15 rangi hi drojf and sophie_m
07:16 drojf so you do your meeting at a weird time and then you come up with the craziest ideas? :P
07:16 drojf hi rangi
07:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1039: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1039/
07:21 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
07:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9521: Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib
07:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties
07:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9521 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib
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07:58 * magnuse waves
07:59 drojf hi magnuse
07:59 magnuse hiya drojf
07:59 magnuse drojf: what's the proper greeting for you? guten tag?
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08:00 drojf magnuse: moin ;)
08:01 drojf a northern german variant of "guten morgen"
08:01 magnuse ah, cool!
08:01 magnuse kind of similar til norwegian "morn" i guess
08:02 magnuse also short for "good morning"
08:02 drojf yes :)
08:02 magnuse s/til/to/
08:06 drojf there is no french word for 'newsletter'? i am shocked :P
08:07 magnuse nouvel letre? ;-)
08:08 magnuse there[…]ng,_13_March_2013
08:10 drojf when is feature freeze for 3.14? the meeting sounded like 'soon'
08:11 drojf err. 3.12
08:12 rangi did you see jareds email?
08:13 rangi http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ruary/038846.html
08:13 drojf ah. i see it now. marked as read, but did not read it
08:13 drojf thanks
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08:22 * magnuse needs to find a way to go to reno
08:24 * kf too
08:24 magnuse i was just reading the log of the meeting
08:25 magnuse and was reminded how much fun kohacon10 was
08:25 kf oh yes
08:25 * kf made some great friends there :)
08:25 magnuse and i think "training" more people to do sign offs would be an excellent thing for the 'con
08:25 magnuse kf: yup :-)
08:26 drojf i put what jcamins_away wrote on the wiki[…]i/Roadmap_to_3.12
08:26 drojf feel free to add whatever might belong there
08:26 drojf hi kf
08:27 * kf has met a jedi at the bakery
08:27 kf was almost eaten up by a crocodile on the way down the hill
08:27 kf and now I am worried about the headless knight sitting next office
08:27 kf drojf++
08:29 drojf sun!!
08:30 kf lots of snow :)
08:30 drojf kf: i'm so happy to live in berlin right now ;)
08:30 kf drojf: no schmotziger in berlin? :)
08:30 kf hehe
08:31 drojf nope lol
08:41 magnuse kf: these are not the kuchen you are looking for?
08:42 kf kuchen? :)
08:42 kf how do you know I have 10 berliner/pfannkuchen on my shelf right now? :D
08:43 magnuse kf: you don't want to know :-)
08:43 * kf looks over her shoulder an dwaves
08:45 * magnuse waves back
08:46 kf hah!
08:47 magnuse huh?
08:52 drojf »Four months after its formal launch, not only has Windows Phone 8 failed  to win Microsoft a bigger piece of the mobile pie, but Redmond's share of US smartphone subscribers is actually still shrinking«
08:52 kf oh ouch
08:52 kf source?
08:52 wahanui source is good.
08:53 drojf[…]_still_shrinking/
08:54 drojf i don't remember when i have last seen any windows on a phone in the wild
08:55 drojf »from the look of things, the subscriber share that BlackBerry and  Microsoft will be fighting over will be in the single digits, at best« heh
08:58 kf ... my brother has one
08:58 * kf hides in shame
08:58 kf ;)
08:59 drojf there there, it's not your fault. i hope :P
09:00 kf heh thx
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09:06 drojf where's the duct tape?
09:06 wahanui i guess the duct tape is versatile.
09:09 rangi heh
09:09 rangi bip :)
09:10 rangi
09:11 rangi i like it because it does ssl really simply
09:11 rangi 22:08 [Koha] -!-           : is connected via SSL (secure link)
09:17 drojf i think that won't help with the hiccups of my network unless i run it somewhere else.
09:18 rangi yep, thats what i do
09:18 rangi run it on my linode
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09:19 rangi so i can connect from my phone or laptop or tablet, or work .. and i have all the scroll buffer on any of them and no one else notices :)
09:19 drojf yeah that's cool
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09:21 drojf off to work. later #koha
09:21 rangi i wonder what magnuse and viktor are talking about
09:22 kf google translate? :)
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09:24 alohabot Hi mib_678bem, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
09:25 magnuse rangi: viktor did a talk at some swedish library do, and the video is here:
09:25 magnuse it's in swedish, though...
09:25 kf viktor++ :)
09:26 rangi ahh cool
09:26 magnuse yeah viktor++
09:27 magnuse i think he talked a lot about koha
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09:27 rangi it looks like it from looking at the slides
09:28 mib_678bem what is the recomended web hosting company if I want to host koha online?
09:29 rangi you want to do the sysadmin yourself?
09:29 magnuse rangi: the title of the talk is something like "convenient or right? choosing the road for control over libraries"
09:29 mib_678bem Yes, though am very green on koha and linux
09:30 rangi i'd go for something like linode
09:30 rangi were you get full control of a machine
09:31 mib_678bem does it come with an automated installation script?
09:32 rangi choose debian squeeze as your OS, then you can use the koha packages
09:32 rangi packages?
09:32 wahanui packages is probably at
09:33 mib_678bem can I get a comprehensive installation guide with all the commands that I need to run
09:34 kf look at the wiki page above
09:36 mib_678bem ok thanks bro, am getting my hands on it now
09:38 mib_678bem I have been playing around with one here and am running it on ubuntu 12.04.02 and trying to install koha 3.10.* but I got stack at some place where it wouldnt show on http://localhost:8080
09:39 magnuse mib_678bem: do you get the "it works!" page or nothing at all?
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09:58 kf rangi++
09:59 magnuse rangi++
09:59 magnuse what did he do now? :-)
10:01 kf just theusual
10:01 kf being awesoe
10:01 kf being awesome even
10:03 magnuse yay!
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11:35 drojf wahanui: entertain me
11:35 wahanui drojf: excuse me?
11:37 kf he can't
11:37 kf excuse?
11:37 wahanui kf: because Bill Gates is a Jehovah's witness and so nothing can work on St. Swithin's day.
11:38 kf excuse?
11:38 wahanui kf: Typo in the code
11:38 kf @eightball will drojf sign off patches today?
11:38 huginn kf: No chance.
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12:45 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
12:46 kf magnuse++
12:46 kf good morning jcamins
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12:47 drojf hi jcamins
12:47 drojf excuse?
12:47 wahanui drojf: Temporal anomaly
12:48 drojf if that would only be temporal haha
12:50 drojf excuse?
12:51 wahanui drojf: Your Flux Capacitor has gone bad.
12:51 drojf that is so 1985
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13:28 * oleonard missed a meeting didn't he?
13:28 jcamins oleonard: you did.
13:28 * oleonard regrets
13:29 kf read back :)
13:29 oleonard it's not the same as being there kf! :)
13:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9473' into 3.12-master <[…]44f929c1f7aac1810> / Bug 9473: Use DataTables on tags list page <[…]271d88ee89024c689> / Merge branch 'bug_9476' into 3.12-master <[…]ea0a52cca0bc3542b
13:39 kf oleonard: I missed it too :)
13:39 kf so I understand
13:43 jcamins "Heavy" snow accumulation this weekend. Eww.
13:43 kf snow in new york
13:43 kf what's so bad about it? :)
13:46 jcamins kf: it's cold, wet, and makes transportation difficult.
13:46 jcamins And, while I'm listing my complaints, we're out of raspberry jam.
13:47 kf oh no!!
13:48 oleonard jcamins: Does FEMA know?!
13:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9556' into 3.12-master <[…]0cdb83ae7201a370d> / Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category <[…]5a8f3fec3caddd8fc>
13:49 jcamins oleonard: not yet.
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13:50 drojf note to self: Raspberry Koha π plug and play servers for 3.14 release. instant world domination
13:50 jcamins drojf: nice!
13:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #1040 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1038 8 hr 44 min ago)
13:51 jcamins drojf: but I was hoping for 3.12.
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13:57 drojf jcamins: if we get plack working without problems i don't see a problem with that
13:57 jcamins drojf: that's kind of the trick, isn't it?
13:58 jcamins "If we get Plack working without problems."
13:58 drojf yeah, it's not really fun without plack
13:59 libsysguy hey jcamins I have a present for you:[…]rossword/grid.pdf
14:00 jcamins libsysguy: uhhh...
14:00 libsysguy its a regex crossword
14:00 jcamins o.O
14:00 kf omg
14:00 kf they look weird
14:01 libsysguy apparently it was in the MIT mystery hunt
14:01 * jcamins prints it out.
14:02 libsysguy do you want the solution?
14:02 jcamins No!
14:02 libsysguy heh
14:02 jcamins wtf is the point of that?
14:03 libsysguy the solution?
14:03 wahanui the solution is, like, not to ditch support for MySQL and everyone currently using Koha before we have working support for Postgres and a rock-solid migration plan
14:03 libsysguy so you can check your answers
14:03 jcamins If you get everything filled in, your answer is right.
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14:03 libsysguy hahaha
14:04 jcamins Bother.
14:04 jcamins It's larger than a single sheet of paper.
14:04 libsysguy you have to select the resize
14:04 jcamins Yeah, _now_ I know that. :P
14:05 libsysguy here is where it comes from
14:14 jcamins I filled in six cells. Just another many to go.
14:14 * oleonard snatches the paper away from jcamins and demands he gets back to work!
14:14 drojf omg that's craziness
14:14 libsysguy id say thats one you definitely don't want to do in pen
14:15 jcamins Hehe.
14:15 jcamins Agreed.
14:16 * magnuse wonders if regexpuzzles will ever become as popular as sudoku
14:16 jcamins magnuse: hehe.
14:16 libsysguy in an hour jcamins you might want this[…]l.swearport&hl=en
14:16 jcamins Probably not.
14:16 jcamins lol
14:16 jcamins Thanks.
14:17 drojf my mom has to learn that :D
14:17 * magnuse was almost about to check if there were any regexpuzzlecompanies he could buy stock in
14:17 drojf prevents alzheimers, induces psychosis
14:19 magnuse sounds like an excellent deal, drojf
14:20 drojf heh
14:29 SandeepBhavsar hi all
14:38 drojf hi SandeepBhavsar
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14:58 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
14:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1040: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1040/
14:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9529 - Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section
14:58 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds
14:58 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds - QA Followup
14:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9477 - Use DataTables on notices page
14:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9476: Use Datatables on Koha news page
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9529 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section
14:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9473: Use DataTables on tags list page
14:58 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent holds
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables on notices page
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables on Koha news page
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on tags list page
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9556 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Changing patron category does not fully update patron messaging preferences
14:59 drojf SandeepBhavsar: please ask questions in the channel instead of sending random private messages. it is considered impolite and may lead to several people being occupied with your problem at the same time. all people helping here are do so unpaid in their spare time.
14:59 jcamins Yippee!
14:59 SandeepBhavsar ok
15:00 SandeepBhavsar Dear all please help me in solving one error, I have posted on our Koha forum
15:00 drojf my grammer ir b0rked
15:00 SandeepBhavsar its realted toFAILED--Further testing stopped: ***** PROBLEMS LOADING FILE 'Koha::Cache'
15:00 SandeepBhavsar make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
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15:03 jcamins SandeepBhavsar: what operating system are you on?
15:03 SandeepBhavsar I am using Ubuntu 10.04
15:04 drojf SandeepBhavsar: you should probably give links to posts you are referring to
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15:06 SandeepBhavsar drojf, can you please guide how  can I give the links
15:07 drojf SandeepBhavsar: i mean a web link to the forum you are referring to
15:08 oleonard[…]ruary/035479.html
15:08 SandeepBhavsar ok got it
15:08 SandeepBhavsar[…]ruary/035479.html
15:09 jcamins Do you have of Koha's dependencies installed?
15:09 SandeepBhavsar dear all actually I am working as Librarian, so not having that much idea about how to interact with you all
15:10 jcamins You don't have to preface everything you say with "dear all."
15:10 SandeepBhavsar yes all perl modules
15:10 jcamins And... if you're not planning on doing development, you should not be using git.
15:11 drojf SandeepBhavsar: did you do the initial installation?
15:12 SandeepBhavsar I have been using git from last one year, and only giving pull command for upgradation, its so simple and that's why using it actually i have posted the steps also for librarians at
15:12 SandeepBhavsar http://sandeepbhavsar.blogspot[…]t-repository.html
15:12 SandeepBhavsar yes I can do the installation
15:13 SandeepBhavsar I have learned all these commands from Kousthubha Kale
15:15 drojf so you run master in production?
15:16 SandeepBhavsar that i really dont know but I simply follow these commands and upgrade to latest koha
15:16 SandeepBhavsar but this time it is asking for Branch??
15:16 jcamins What version of Koha do you have running right now?
15:19 SandeepBhavsar 3.08
15:20 SandeepBhavsar
15:21 jcamins And you're trying to upgrade to which version?
15:23 SandeepBhavsar I would like to upgrade the latest one now 3.10 but is it stable, or what will you guide
15:24 jcamins I'd probably upgrade to 3.8.9, but that's not what I'm asking.
15:24 jcamins What I am asking is what version you are trying to upgrade to _right now_.
15:25 SandeepBhavsar 3.10
15:25 jcamins 3.10.what?
15:26 SandeepBhavsar for which ver shall I go
15:27 SandeepBhavsar actually in my earlier command koha does not ask me about which ver shall I go for, I simply give the command git pull and automatically the latest one upgraded
15:28 SandeepBhavsar but this time i think i have to also write branch
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15:29 jcamins SandeepBhavsar: I think this issue is too complicated for me to walk you through now.
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15:31 SandeepBhavsar what will be the solution for this error[…]ruary/035479.html
15:31 jcamins I don't know.
15:31 jcamins That's what I'm saying.
15:31 SandeepBhavsar no this error is different one
15:31 SandeepBhavsar its related to Koha::Cache
15:32 jcamins Yes, but you can't tell me what version you are upgrading to so I can't help.
15:32 jcamins The only explanation I can come up with is that your git repo got messed up.
15:33 jcamins Someone else may have time, but I have to do work for my clients.
15:33 SandeepBhavsar actually i also dont have any idea, only i want the latest version. May be I am unable to answer your questions,Sorry
15:34 jcamins Right. Someone with more time may be able to help, but right now I cannot.
15:43 drojf SandeepBhavsar: to be honest i have no idea how that may have worked for you so far. you should really consider switching to a regular package installation for your production server
15:45 SandeepBhavsar ok, actually i was thinking that this good service to upgrade to latest version with only pull command
15:45 datadoctor Make errors are usually related to missing PERL modules.
15:46 datadoctor I don't see any specific references, but have you checked your PERL dependencies?
15:47 SandeepBhavsar yes my perl Makefile.PL command is not showing any perl module required means all perl modules are sufficient
15:48 SandeepBhavsar now I will switch to regular package installation.
16:05 reiveune bye
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16:13 SandeepBhavsar bye
16:26 datadoctor Does anyone notice a behavior on large systems where a vendor search from Acquisitions pulls up a multi-thousand line table? We've been ordering through Koha for seven years.
16:26 datadoctor I can sort by date descending, but the table is still an overwhelming amount of data.
16:27 datadoctor Especially since vendors with similar names to the one I want also show up.
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16:28 datadoctor My baskets are closed, but they still show up.
16:28 jcamins datadoctor: there's a patch to change that behavior, actually, because several people have noticed that problem.
16:28 datadoctor Sounds groovy!
16:29 jcamins datadoctor: I don't know if it's been signed off yet, but I know there was one.
16:29 jcamins Or think there was one.
16:29 jcamins Bug 8611
16:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8611 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , too many baskets on search results for acquisitions
16:30 jcamins Oh, hm.
16:30 jcamins No patch, just a bug report.
16:33 datadoctor I'm thinking of two methods to solve the problem - an intermediate page for selecting the specific vendor name result, and limiting the display to 20,50 or 100 lines with a "Show More" option.
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16:38 datadoctor Or maybe I could just toggle the closed baskets to not display by default, or display by choice.
16:39 jcamins datadoctor: I think the latter was what someone wanted on bug 8611.
16:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8611 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , too many baskets on search results for acquisitions
16:39 jcamins But take a look, because I'm not sure.
16:40 * oleonard should use datadoctor's dataset when testing or working on acquisitions
16:40 * oleonard never has enough acquisitions data
16:43 * drojf heads home
16:47 jcamins Argh!
16:47 jcamins I had a question for oleonard!
16:47 jcamins Wait.
16:47 jcamins drojf left.
16:47 jcamins oleonard: do you know of any javascript component for a text editor that allows you to "tag" text?
16:48 oleonard Only in the context of a WYSIWYG editor
16:48 jcamins What I need is a WYSIWYG editor that allows you to tag text with semantic information as well.
16:51 * jcamins has an idea.
16:51 jcamins It was a bad idea.
17:10 chris_n did someone say lunch?
17:12 * jcamins didn't. His mouth is full.
17:13 * oleonard is too sad about jcamins' bad idea
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17:25 tcohen deciem
17:25 tcohen decime
17:27 jcamins Okay, time to head into the city.
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17:45 datadoctor I am confused about the relationship between singleBranchMode, IndependantBranches [sic], and AutoLocation.
17:45 datadoctor Since we updated to v3.10, we don't appear to be limiting access to our address range as set in AutoLocation.
17:46 oleonard singleBranchMode means hide functionality or information related to branches because only one branch is assumed.
17:46 oleonard IndependantBranches means multiple branches but limited interaction between them
17:47 datadoctor As a single branch, I should be able to use singleBranchMode, but I am thinking it breaks my system if I set it that way - could be a legacy data issue again...
17:47 oleonard Single library with no branches?
17:47 oleonard Why do you think it breaks your system?
17:49 datadoctor Let me think back......
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17:52 datadoctor My mistake. I did have it set to single branch mode, and but it reverted when I updated to v3.10 - I'll check the database.
17:55 datadoctor Sorry, this problem looks more complex than I thought at first. I will look into it before I ask more questions.
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18:22 libsysguy anybody around that knows about init scripts?
18:22 libsysguy I am trying to change the owner of a socket
18:22 libsysguy for koha to listen for plack
18:24 slef I don't see what that has to do with init scripts?
18:24 slef chown /path/to/socket
18:24 slef err
18:24 slef chown /path/to/socket
18:24 libsysguy well I want it do chown the directory from the init script
18:24 slef put that command in the init script
18:25 libsysguy before or after the daemon starts?
18:25 slef depends when the socket is created - probably after
18:25 libsysguy okay, I'll give it a go
18:25 slef but before the ;; if it's written with a case statement for start/stop/restart... like most are
18:26 libsysguy I actually wrote mine in a function
18:29 libsysguy i think I was getting confused on the differences between sh and bash
18:29 libsysguy if there are any
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18:30 slef There are. There's a series running on planet debian "a bashism a week" or similar.
18:31 libsysguy I should subscribe to that
18:31 libsysguy my bash skills are minmial at best
18:34 slef heh - it's more to warn you to specify bash in the #! if you use any of them
18:35 libsysguy aww you mean I can't run bash commands if I path to perl in #!
18:40 slef or if you /bin/sh
18:41 jcamins_away libsysguy: only if you enclose them in a system("bash -e '...'");
18:41 jeff well, some people author a script on a system where /bin/sh == bash, and then the #!/bin/sh script breaks on a system where /bin/sh is something else entirely.
18:41 jeff yeah, what slef said.
18:41 jcamins_away jeff: I didn't realize that there were systems where /bin/sh == bash. What type of system?
18:42 slef debian used to IIRC
18:42 slef maybe debian < 4.0
18:42 libsysguy heh jcamins_away
18:42 * libsysguy is currently testing wheezy
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18:42 * jcamins_away waves to nancy!
18:43 libsysguy NANCY!! You're back!
18:43 jcamins_away nancyk, sorry.
18:43 jcamins_away Tab complete didn't work.
18:43 slef anyone remember how to stop emacs putting tabs instead of spaces when autoindenting?
18:43 libsysguy yes its in the wiki
18:43 jcamins_away slef: it involves lots of parentheses.
18:43 libsysguy well if you want to stop it in git
18:44 libsysguy which is the easiest way I have found
18:44 nancyk Hi, can I find out more info on becoming a tester?
18:44 libsysguy otherwise its some lisp line
18:44 jcamins_away nancyk: you surely can!
18:44 libsysguy I think jcamins_away just came out of his seat
18:44 jcamins_away slef:[…]macs-in-text-mode
18:45 jcamins_away nancyk: so, there are two ways to test patches for Koha.
18:45 nancyk I don't do coding, but I know my ILS.
18:45 libsysguy or you can do this slef[…]ERL6:_Indentation
18:45 jcamins_away Option 1 is to use the sandboxes, which are documented at
18:46 jcamins_away (we'll come back to what to do with that link, I just wanted to share it up front)
18:46 jcamins_away With the sandboxes, you don't need to install anything.
18:47 jcamins_away The sandboxes are on BibLibre's servers and you can just click a few buttons to choose what you want to test.
18:47 nancyk Ok, I'll have a look
18:47 jcamins_away However, the convenience comes at a cost: you can't test any patches that make changes to the database, or that make indexing changes.
18:48 jcamins_away Option 2 is to run a Koha installation yourself, either on a spare computer, on a virtual machine on your desktop, or anywhere else you can think of to install Koha.
18:49 nancyk We have done some virtual, and have a dev server.  It has 3.10 on it now
18:49 nancyk I also have four very intelligent staff members in my dept. who are also interested
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18:50 jcamins_away Okay, so the set up with option 2 is a little bit more in-depth, but if you're game, it allows you to test a lot more, and often faster.
18:50 rangi yay!
18:51 nancyk We will have a look at the sandbox and will be back with questions, but I like option 2 better, thanks.
18:51 jcamins_away nancyk: oh, now I'll explain the rest of the procedures.
18:52 jcamins_away There are a few small differences between what you do when you have a sandbox and when you have your own server/VM, so I'll point them out.
18:52 jcamins_away dashboard?
18:52 wahanui dashboard is at
18:52 jcamins_away ^^ on that page, about half-way down you'll see something like "Patch statuses."
18:53 jcamins_away The first one is "Needs Signoff," and is a link that will take you to a list of all the bugs that are awaiting signoff.
18:53 jcamins_away There are ~130 at the moment, I think.
18:53 jcamins_away If you're using the sandboxes, you'll need to choose bugs that are pretty simple.
18:54 libsysguy but there are plenty of those
18:54 libsysguy so don't let jcamins_away discourage you :p
18:54 jcamins_away Once you choose a bug, with the sandboxes you create a sandbox and enter that bug n number where prompted.
18:54 jcamins_away There are *tons*.
18:54 rangi did you see my i want to help thing?
18:54 rangi i want to help?
18:54 jcamins_away i want to help?
18:54 jcamins_away I forgot about that.
18:55 jcamins_away It's new.
18:55 rangi add this stuff to that would be good :)
18:55 rangi[…]ki/I_want_to_help
18:55 jcamins_away \I want to help is[…]ki/I_want_to_help
18:55 jcamins_away I want to help?
18:55 jcamins_away wahanui: \I want to help is[…]ki/I_want_to_help
18:55 wahanui i already had it that way, jcamins_away.
18:55 jcamins_away I want to help?
18:55 jcamins_away \I want to help?
18:55 * cait waves
18:55 libsysguy I want to help
18:55 jcamins_away Anyway.
18:55 libsysguy stinking bot
18:55 rangi heya cait
18:56 jcamins_away The bug report should have a test plan which you can follow. If the patch does what it is supposed to and *doesn't break anything else* you can then use the "Sign off" section on the sandbox control page.
18:56 jcamins_away This means that if you test a patch and it works, but it makes something you're doing harder for no reason, you can fail the patch.
18:57 nancyk Lots to look at and learn, thanks, got to go now, but I will be back
18:58 jcamins_away Testing a patch and marking it as failed is just as important as testing a patch and signing off on it.
18:58 jcamins_away Good luck!
18:58 rambutan twitter:
19:01 rambutan I must have 7 twitter accounts. Someday I'll write down the password instead of just making a new account everytime I want to tweet.  Someday.
19:02 jcamins_away Hehe.
19:07 rambutan OK, this time I wrote it down after I reset it. I can't believe 7 people are following me. If I have 7 followers for each of my 7 accounts, well, heck, I'm famous almost.
19:07 cait lol
19:07 jcamins_away Hehe.
19:08 rambutan wonder how long it takes tweets to be forwarded here?
19:08 rambutan I probably had a syntax error and it got forwarded to /dev/null
19:09 jcamins_away rambutan: it varies. Sometimes minutes, sometimes hours.
19:11 cait did you have #kohails?
19:12 rambutan no, was I supposed to? I just put in what the originator had: @anomalily   @kohails-compatible
19:12 rambutan I clearly need a twitter training class
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19:14 oleonard rambutan: You followed an incorrect example :)
19:14 cait good morning kathryn
19:14 cait :)
19:14 rambutan I, despite being ostensibly being computer-literate and having a progressive interest in what might be regarded as tech subjects, am very non-Web 2.0.
19:14 oleonard rambutan: The person used @kohails (as if @kohails was a person who could respond) instead of #kohails which enables hashtag searching
19:15 rambutan I knew that now that you reminded me
19:16 rambutan OK, ZZS
19:17 rambutan Now, any of you old military radio operators want to guess what ZZS is? No googling.
19:18 oleonard Are we having an esoterica contest?
19:19 rambutan ZZS = resend (usually after nak or corrections are made)
19:22 rambutan
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19:26 kathryn cait, good morning!
19:26 kathryn and greetings all
19:26 cait :)
19:32 rambutan botsmack!
19:32 oleonard khall around?
19:32 wahanui :(
19:35 bag oleonard: I believe his is - but sometimes slow to hear the ping :)
19:35 bag s/his/he
19:36 oleonard I'm curious if the .conf change alone is enough to trigger the highlight in Bug 7740
19:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC
19:40 jcamins_away Heh. Looks like lots of people had things to say about stand up desks.
19:40 slef libsysguy: I do, but it's still annoying.
19:40 slef jcamins_away: thanks.
19:40 jcamins_away slef: huh?
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19:42 slef jcamins_away: pointed me to a stackoverflow that showed the variable I want is indent-tabs-mode (the "best" answer on the page itself is wrong, IMO)
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19:42 jcamins_away Oh, cool!
19:42 jcamins_away I completely forgot about that.
19:42 jcamins_away You're very welcome.
19:42 slef Welcome to Lagland
19:42 slef bbl
20:01 drojf »Leaflet is a modern open-source JavaScript library for mobile-friendly interactive maps. British English speakers might be looking for fliers and pamphlets advertising OSM instead. «
20:01 * drojf giggles
20:08 datadoctor I figured out more about the odd behavior I was getting with my branch preferences.
20:08 datadoctor I have singleBranchMode set to "Don't Allow"
20:09 datadoctor I have AutoLocation set to "Require" with my IP address range set to the internal network.
20:09 datadoctor When I change IndependantBranches from Don
20:10 datadoctor 't Prevent to Prevent I lose the ability to log in to the system. When I change it back (while still in session) users can log in again.
20:10 datadoctor I only have one branch defined.
20:10 datadoctor Or is that one library? MAIN = Our Library Name
20:11 datadoctor I guess it
20:11 datadoctor 's fine to leave it as Don
20:11 datadoctor 't Prevent because there is only one branch, so it's not a problem...
20:11 * oleonard moves datadoctor's apostrophe key further from the Enter key
20:12 datadoctor Thanks!
20:12 datadoctor I'm thinking the IndependantBranches preference breaks when there is just one branch?
20:13 oleonard IndependantBranches doesn't serve any function if there is only one branch
20:13 oleonard ...but maybe you're right.
20:13 datadoctor The ramifications are that if the IndependantBranches preference is set to "Prevent" no one can log in, and you have to manually edit the database to reset the preference. v3.10
20:14 datadoctor Most people aren't likely to change it though!
20:14 datadoctor If they are single branch
20:16 datadoctor My apologies again - I didn't test this fully. The problem occurs on my live (production) Koha v.310 stable, but not on my test server, v3.11 master.
20:17 datadoctor So maybe this has been resolved somehow. I have a feeling you won't be able to duplicate the issue.
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20:18 datadoctor I think I need to learn more about the branch concept and how it integrates with authentication.
20:19 datadoctor Just tested on a second 3.11 test server, set to "Prevent" and login works - on my live v.310 "Prevent" disables all logins.
20:20 datadoctor But lets your session continue - so you can set the preference back to "Don't Prevent" :)
20:20 datadoctor Thanks for listening - I am moving on now!
20:29 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
20:29 wizzyrea hey oleonard
20:29 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
20:29 wizzyrea hehe
20:29 wizzyrea how is ohio
20:29 cait hi wizzyrea
20:30 oleonard Sunny and pleasant today, although I haven't been outside once in 8 hours
20:36 datadoctor I enjoyed some Ohio sunshine on my lunch break - very warm as well.
20:37 wizzyrea :)
20:37 wizzyrea it's gorgeous here today so far
20:38 datadoctor @wunder Kent, OH
20:38 huginn datadoctor: The current temperature in Kent State Geography, Kent, Ohio is 6.2°C (3:35 PM EST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
20:38 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.2°C (9:35 PM CET on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
20:38 wizzyrea @wunder wgtn
20:38 datadoctor Chilly with a bit of snow, eh cait?
20:38 huginn wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
20:38 wizzyrea hrm.
20:38 wizzyrea @wunder wellington, nz
20:38 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
20:39 datadoctor Looks like rain in Wellington!
20:39 bag @wunder 93102
20:39 huginn bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 14.1°C (12:37 PM PST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
20:40 cait yeah, bit of snow :)
20:41 datadoctor Wellington is clear with 15C - I think you officially have the nicest weather wizzyrea !
20:41 datadoctor That's pretty humid though!
20:41 wizzyrea :) sposed to be 20 today
20:41 datadoctor !!!
20:42 rangi thats at the airport
20:42 rangi it will be less humid in town
20:43 eythian yeah, it's not particularly humid at all
20:43 eythian at least, that I noticed.
20:43 rangi[…]773&sp=IWELLING75
20:43 rangi thats closer to the catalyst office
20:44 datadoctor The Android app looks pretty cool.
20:44 cait morning eythian
20:44 eythian oddly, it's about 2-3° warmer in Aro Valley than anywhere else.
20:45 eythian hi cait
20:45 datadoctor KiritakiKoha
20:45 wizzyrea ok this is wicked
20:45 wizzyrea[…]land&rad.type=00Q
20:45 wizzyrea it actually could be cooler, we had a bunch of kids fix it up for us
20:46 wizzyrea i'm not sure the result has been uploaded yet
20:46 datadoctor Wow! I hadn't seen that wundermap feature - that is very cool.
20:47 wizzyrea this is closer to my house:[…]onth=02&year=2013
20:48 rangi wizzyrea: yep it has
20:49 jcamins_away Yeah, I have the new version.
20:49 jcamins_away _Very_ snazzy.
20:49 wizzyrea \o/
20:51 libsysguy rangi around?
20:52 * libsysguy can't remember how to fix the debian control file
20:52 rangi sorta, working at the hospital
20:52 rangi you run the script
20:52 eythian how'd you break it?
20:52 * libsysguy doesn't know
20:52 jcamins_away eythian: it has "EEEEK" in it.
20:52 rangi debian/update-control
20:52 eythian oh right
20:53 eythian if it's just for that paginator one, just remove that EEEK
20:53 libsysguy ah okay
20:53 eythian if it's for a bunch of things, revisit assumptions
20:53 jcamins_away eythian: two paginators.
20:53 libsysguy ^^
20:53 jcamins_away I'm pretty sure there really aren't packages for either, so I told libsysguy he had to resubmit the patch without the EEEEKs.
20:54 libsysguy hightlight -> delete
20:54 eythian does the box that you ran update-control on have the koha-common squeeze-dev repo loaded in?
20:54 eythian and have apt-file update run?
20:54 libsysguy probably not, I just installed apt-file
20:55 eythian squeeze-dev|main|source: libdata-paginator-perl 0.05-1 <-- that one has a package, the other one doesn't
20:55 jcamins_away eythian: oh, interesting!
20:55 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:55 libsysguy oh man, this is going to screw me up
20:55 libsysguy I'm running wheezy
20:55 eythian that runs the risk of being problematic
20:55 eythian actually, it probably won't be a problem
20:55 libsysguy I'll run the update
20:55 libsysguy and se
20:55 libsysguy see**
20:56 eythian make sure you have the koha-common repo added first
20:56 libsysguy shoot…okay, I'll let it finish and load it up
20:56 eythian err
20:56 eythian repo
20:56 eythian you don't need to install the packages or anything
20:56 libsysguy we should add debian/control to the .gitignore file
20:57 eythian no we shouldn't
20:57 libsysguy :p
20:57 jcamins_away libsysguy: no we shouldn't.
20:57 jcamins_away What eythian said.
20:57 jcamins_away It takes ages to generate, and rarely changes.
20:57 libsysguy okay, fine…*I* should add it to my local git ignore file
20:57 eythian then your patches won't be correct if you change a dependency :)
20:57 libsysguy if I crtl-C it will I be fine
20:57 libsysguy so I can install koha-common
20:58 eythian <eythian> repo
20:58 eythian <eythian> you don't need to install the packages or anything
20:58 jcamins_away Shouldn't be a problem.
20:58 jcamins_away @query packaging updates
20:58 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , Missing dependencies for Debian package
20:58 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Package related updates for master
20:58 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8806 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates
20:58 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
20:58 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
20:59 eythian nobody signs off on my paperwork packaging patches, so the package building gets stale :(
20:59 cait eythian: maybe try sending a list to the mailing list?
20:59 cait I was not aware so many were waiting
20:59 eythian I should, yeah
20:59 eythian most of them are just updates to changelogs or the control file or whatever, so more or less trivial
20:59 * cait has also a patch waiting fo rsign-off and 2 for qa
20:59 jcamins_away Yeah, I was just thinking I should claim ultimate authority and threaten to push the patches.
21:00 jcamins_away As is, untested.
21:00 oleonard eythian: Do they all have thorough commit messages with test plans?
21:00 jcamins_away Unfortunately, that wouldn't work because everyone would just let me. I think I'm the only one other than eythian who builds packages regularly.
21:00 libsysguy okay now its running
21:00 * libsysguy drums fingers
21:00 cait hm magnuse knows some too
21:00 eythian oleonard: they're all pre-test-plan era
21:00 jcamins_away cait: good point.
21:01 cait there ever was a pre-test-plan?
21:01 eythian also, they're not really things that can be tested beyond "do a build and see that it doesn't break"
21:01 jcamins_away @later tell magnuse Karma for the person who tests the packaging patches that are waiting! Bug 8806 and bug 9143.
21:01 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
21:01 oleonard eythian: It's better than nothing
21:01 * wizzyrea would sign off on them but you wouldn't take it
21:01 * oleonard made up too many test plans for others today :P
21:01 eythian heh
21:02 cait oleonard: my patch has one... if that helps :)
21:02 eythian one day I'll revisit them and make more patches and do that :)
21:02 cait eythian: and you go and write test plans! :)
21:02 eythian well, I'm better off closing the old ones and making new patches containing the things that have changed to date.
21:02 jcamins_away eythian: oh, okay.
21:03 oleonard cait: Bug 9403?
21:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Material type icons not showing for XSLT default view in intranet
21:03 * cait nods
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21:12 libsysguy okay the only EEEK I have now is Data::Paginator
21:12 jcamins_away eythian: would it be better to have a separate packaging repo?
21:12 libsysguy is that aceptable?
21:12 eythian libsysguy: that's fine, but remove it :)
21:12 eythian I need to blacklist that one
21:12 libsysguy okay cool
21:12 eythian (actually, maybe I already have, but no one signed off on it :)
21:12 libsysguy I am going to have to squash some commits
21:13 eythian jcamins_away: possibly, I'm not sure.
21:13 eythian even a flag on bz so I can say "this is a trivial patch, it's only for packaging, it can probably go straight in" to bypass the normal process.
21:14 jcamins_away eythian: it seems to me that the package maintainer's patches for packages could be pushed with only one set of eyes.
21:15 eythian yeah. I think it'd be worth having a glance-over by the RM, even if just to make sure I'm not committing a file outside of the packaging that I shouldn't be, but a functional test shouldn't be necessary.
21:16 rangi there is a packaging category on bugzilla
21:16 rangi make the bugs under that, and then that can be used for people to know
21:16 jcamins_away Okay, makes sense to me.
21:16 jcamins_away eythian: in that case, you can go ahead and pass QA on any packaging patches that you approve of.
21:16 * cait is ok with that too
21:17 jcamins_away cait: sorry...
21:17 cait hm?
21:17 cait eythian: but doesn't mean you don't need test plans on your other patches! :P
21:17 jcamins_away I should have asked you before telling eythian to mark the bugs passed qa.
21:17 cait it's ok
21:18 eythian cait: but...but...awwww :)
21:18 eythian yeah, that all works for me
21:18 cait jcamins_away: just let me be mean to eythian about his other patches :)
21:18 jcamins_away cait: fear not.
21:18 cait jcamins_away: excellent.
21:19 eythian if I get a chance today I'll bundle up the updates into a patch.
21:19 jcamins_away eythian++
21:19 drojf so i wont be testing bug 9143 tomorrow?
21:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Package related updates for master
21:20 jcamins_away @later tell magnuse Never mind, false alarm. As packaging maintainer, eythian's packaging patches don't need testing.
21:20 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
21:20 eythian drojf: it's already passed QA :)
21:21 drojf yay \o/
21:21 oleonard See y'all later
21:21 wizzyrea later
21:22 wizzyrea that's what I get for taking sip of tea right at that moment.
21:24 libsysguy so package question…plack::middleware::debug is currently in sid
21:24 libsysguy so I can't add it as a dep
21:24 libsysguy but it is really handy to have in the psgi file for debugging
21:24 libsysguy what is the best way to handle that?
21:24 eythian ideally you shouldn't have debug in the committed stuff anyway
21:25 jcamins_away Right, that's why you have to check if it exists, then check if DEBUG is set, and, if both are true, load the panel.
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21:25 jcamins_away eythian: I disagree.
21:25 jcamins_away We need the ability to debug our code when developing.
21:25 libsysguy well I won't load the panel, however the use is porblematic
21:25 jcamins_away libsysguy: right, that's why you don't use it.
21:26 jcamins_away Use Module::Load::Conditional.
21:26 libsysguy mind = blown
21:26 jcamins_away And if DEBUG is set, try to load it.
21:26 jcamins_away Stupid MS Access.
21:26 jcamins_away Double click and explodes.
21:27 eythian jcamins_away: fair enough, it's not something I'm religious about :)
21:27 libsysguy so working as expected?
21:27 jcamins_away libsysguy: pretty much.
21:28 jcamins_away eythian: especially since Plack is really intended for development at this point... a note which libsysguy is going to make sure to put in!
21:28 libsysguy I had it in the installer, but I tool it out since I removed the if else for nginx apache
21:28 jcamins_away Add comments in the nginx and Plack config files.
21:29 jcamins_away Actually, I don't care about the Plack config files.
21:29 jcamins_away No one will edit them.
21:29 jcamins_away Add comments in the nginx config file.
21:29 libsysguy fine then
21:30 libsysguy a sound clip that plays: WARNING WARNING YOU ARE IN DANGER
21:30 jcamins_away I'd prefer "USE" and "PRODUCTION"
21:30 jcamins_away And a date.
21:33 * jcamins_away calls it a day and heads home.
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21:47 wizzyrea lately it's like a party, and once the party animal leaves the party shuts down :)
21:49 drojf and eventually i wake up on the couch, still too drunk to get home
21:50 drojf thanks for drawing on my face with permanent marker. again.
21:51 wizzyrea at least it was flowers this time.
21:52 drojf instead of ducks ;)
21:54 wizzyrea I think you should be grateful that it doesn't rhyme with socks.
21:54 wizzyrea >.>
21:55 drojf lol
21:55 eythian people are prone to drawing piers on his face?
21:55 wizzyrea :D
21:55 wizzyrea or smooth bits of hard earth
21:57 drojf »We are aiming to raise $350,000, to fully fund OpenLayers 3.0 in one shot.« for a javascript library? wow
21:59 jeff huh. they already tried and failed to raise $20,000 a few months back.
22:00 drojf yes i just saw that
22:00 jeff where did you see the $350,000 figure?
22:00 jeff oh, i see
22:01 drojf
22:01 jeff on their main page -- yep
22:01 drojf :)
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22:17 rambutan does the little clock graph indicate they have raised $340,000 already?
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22:20 rambutan $334,000 obviously, now that I bother to read it.
22:33 drojf oh. i did not see that because i block third party servers by default. they should do fundraising for koha
22:36 drojf we could get several search rewrites for that kind of money :)
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23:09 rangi design by committee?
23:27 wahanui that's about the best idea i have ever heard
23:28 bag oh rangi - just got a text that ginny has started to tuck her knees under her - when doing tummy-time
23:28 bag maybe we will have a crawler soon - that's worth 12.4 million IMO
23:28 bag :P
23:28 wizzyrea :)
23:28 bag alright wahanui is pretty funny sometimes
23:28 rangi heh
23:29 rangi start putting things up higher :)
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23:33 bag :)  she loves my phone - so I usually put that on the ground a few feet from her - she's learned how to roll to get to it
23:33 rangi excellent
23:41 dcook Whoa...EOS International saw a lot of businesss in 2010 according to Library Journal.

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