IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-04

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01:38 dcook Allo #koha
01:39 rangi hey dcook
01:41 dcook hey rangi
01:41 dcook Finally decided to actually download a client rather than use mibbit
01:41 dcook Not sure I like it :p
01:42 rangi what client are you using?
01:42 dcook I probably haven't used mirc in 10 years
01:42 dcook mIRC
01:42 rangi ahh yeah that is pretty foul
01:42 rangi you could try xchat
01:42 dcook That's not freeware though, right?
01:42 rangi no, its free software
01:43 rangi
01:43 cjh under linux its open source, under windows its iffy.
01:44 dcook Hmm, I'll have to take a quick look
01:44 rangi or chatzilla
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01:50 dcook Hmm. Not bad. I think mibbit is still nicer, but it's nice not to rely on a browser
01:50 dcook Thanks for the info, rangi and cjh
01:50 wizzyrea you can also use pidgin, or thunderbird has a built in chat client
01:51 wizzyrea neither of those are the kind of thing that rangi or eythian would use, but you might find it more ergonomic than mIRC
01:53 dcook mIRC is rather brutal, but xchat isn't too bad
01:54 dcook Mibbit gives better information about idling/activity and possibly alerting
01:55 wizzyrea all of them are pretty highly configurable in that regard.
01:55 dcook Oh?
01:57 cjh xchat and pidgin are both quite nice to use.
01:58 * wizzyrea liked pidgin for a long time
01:58 wizzyrea makes IRC look a lot like normal IM
01:58 cjh dcook: you should be able to dig through xchat's settings for that
01:58 mtj dcook, i recommend quassel
01:59 mtj and, … hi all :)
01:59 cjh hey mtj :)
01:59 wizzyrea hi mtj :)
01:59 dcook hey mtj
01:59 mtj quassel even has an optional irc-proxy/irc-bouncer thing, too
02:00 dcook Thanks for the recommendation. I think I might stick with xchat at this point though. We've started to bond :p
02:00 mtj .. and runs on linux/win32/osx
02:00 cjh dcook: under settings->preferences there is an 'alerts' tab, you could play around in there to see if it could behave how you like.
02:01 dcook Good call, cjh. I was just starting to look at that :)
02:01 cjh the official xchat binary for windows isn't open source, its a try for 30 days thing.
02:01 dcook That's what I was thinking...
02:01 dcook :/
02:02 rangi yeah but the source is, its lgpl, so there are plenty of builds of it
02:02 mtj next...
02:02 cjh its apparently to help cover the cost of porting to windows, and there are plenty of unofficial binaries for it.
02:02 rangi yep
02:02 cjh so the only parts you cant see are any windows-specific black magic.
02:03 mtj ive recently seen a bunch of FOSS binaries, as payware - seems to be a trend
02:04 dcook I've wondered for a while about FOSS being re-distributed as payware
02:04 mtj … but you usually have the option to compile successfully yourself
02:04 cjh sometimes for windows its common to have to pay for teh binary, but the source is free. as compiling can be seen as tedious.
02:04 rangi there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you get the source code
02:04 cjh the gpl is perfectly fine with paying for open source :)
02:04 dcook True
02:04 dcook I suppose in a way many of us do it as well. Just more indirectly through hosting
02:05 dcook Well, not indirectly, but seemingly indirectly
02:05 cjh yeah, same idea :)
02:06 dcook Ultimately, yet another reason to move away from Windows, eh?
02:07 dcook I recently saw...openSuse using KDE and it looked pretty slick
02:07 dcook I suppose marketing is a key factor though. After all, look at all the people buying Apple
03:01 cjh marketing and being (or seeming) popular.
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03:50 mtj how do people feel about having empty customized blocks in Koha,  eg: the  'OpacMainUserBlock' block on the OPAC
03:52 mtj curently, if the 'OpacMainUserBlock' syspref value is empty, the 'opacmainuserblock' <div> does not exist on page
03:53 mtj …which is a pain in some situations, like when using jquery to insert content into that div… that doesnt exist
03:54 wizzyrea can't you easily fix it by putting something, even if invisible, in there?
03:54 mtj so, the workaround is to add 'xxxx' to the 'OpacMainUserBlock syspref
03:54 cjh if you added a single space in there, wouldnt that solve it?
03:55 mtj yep, thats the current workaround im using
03:56 mtj would people accept a patch to fix that, etc.. ?
03:56 mtj … or have i bumped into a deliberate 'feature' here?
03:57 wizzyrea oleonard is the one to ask about that I think
03:57 wizzyrea I don't see why it would be a problem
03:57 wizzyrea but...
03:57 cjh its ugly' having an empty block, but it shouldnt actually cause an issue. and if it's useful then I see no reason not to :)
03:58 cjh ugly was meant to be in quotes >.>
03:59 mtj cjh, its much uglier having to maintain/debug 'foofoo' values in many sysprefs, for many clients
03:59 cjh yeah, and asking a client to leave the invisible whitespace in there is uglier.
04:01 cjh mtj: fwiw: i'd sign off on it :)
04:02 mtj … or just paste a big <hidden>DO NOT REMOVE TEH LINE!!!</hidden> for each custom syspref :/
04:03 cjh I think having the block always be in there is the tidiest solution (assuming it doesnt cause some issue, but I doubt this)
04:03 mtj thanx cjh,   i'll run the idea past Owen 1st
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04:51 mtj fyi: the solution i'm using to 'activate' those blank custom opac blocks, is to paste this into the syspref...
04:51 mtj <div style="display: none;">DONT DELETE ME!!</div>
04:52 mtj … that makes the div block appear on the page, and my jquery can then do whatever it wants with it
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05:21 Oak kia ora #koh
05:21 Oak a
05:25 cait hi Oak :)
05:25 Oak hello cait :) how are you?
05:26 cait tired :)
05:26 cait just got up
05:26 cait how are you?
05:29 Oak when did you went to sleep last night?
05:29 Oak i'm okay.
05:29 Oak 4am?
05:29 cait here? no :)
05:29 cait 6:27am
05:30 cait early :)
05:30 Oak yup :)
05:30 cait brb
05:40 * dcook waves to cait
05:46 * cait waves back
05:46 dcook Long time no chat! Thanks again for that email you sent a while ago about ICU indexing
05:49 cait oh no problem
05:51 dcook How's the study/work coming along?
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05:58 WaylonR hiya all. whats the best way to set the necessary sessionid cookie, then do a redirect (302 or something) so as to set a new subdomain/virtualhost?
06:03 WaylonR my $cookie = $cgi->cookie(-name => 'test', -value => '1');
06:03 WaylonR print $cgi->redirect(-uri => '', -cookie => $
06:03 WaylonR +cookie); will do?
06:04 cait no idea
06:04 cait sorry :)
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06:42 mtj WaylonR, that looks like it should work...
06:55 cait it's snowing
06:55 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:55 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1°C (7:50 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
06:55 cait brr.
06:55 mtj hi cait :)
06:56 mtj WaylonR, fyi: i cant think of a better way :)
06:56 cait hi mtj :)
07:01 mtj cait, woah, its snowing over there?! :/
07:02 cait it's winter here, you know :)
07:02 cait it's only a bit annoying... because I walk to work everyday
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07:08 reiveune hello
07:10 Oak hello reiveune
07:11 cait hi reiveune :)
07:14 reiveune hi Oak, cait :)
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07:35 alex_a bonjour
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07:38 cait hm good morning magnuse?
07:38 magnuse guten morgen cait
07:38 magnuse ...and #koha
07:38 cait and bbl #koha :)
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07:45 jajm hello #koha
07:45 jajm hi magnuse and cait
07:49 magnuse hiya jajm
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08:01 magnuse w00t!
08:01 Oak magnuse
08:02 magnuse Oak
08:02 magnuse :-)
08:02 Oak :)
08:02 Oak @wunder islamabad
08:02 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 14.0°C (12:00 PM PKT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
08:03 magnuse @wunder boo
08:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Falling).
08:03 magnuse your sounds nice Oak ;-)
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08:08 Oak yes it is :)
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08:17 WaylonR @wunder Palmerston North
08:17 huginn WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
08:18 WaylonR @wunder Palm
08:18 huginn WaylonR: The current temperature in Harlem, Barto, Pennsylvania is -6.9°C (3:07 AM EST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
08:18 WaylonR @wunder help
08:18 huginn WaylonR: The current temperature in rural, Whitewater, Missouri is 0.9°C (2:16 AM CST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
08:18 WaylonR @wunder
08:18 huginn WaylonR: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
08:19 WaylonR @wunder Palmerston North, New Zealand
08:19 huginn WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
08:19 WaylonR @wunder Palmerston North, NZ
08:19 huginn WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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08:22 francharb good morning "koha
08:26 magnuse WaylonR: looks like huginn doesn't know palmerston north... :-(
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08:27 magnuse @wunder levin, new zealand
08:27 kf good morning #koha
08:27 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 20.9°C (9:25 PM NZDT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:27 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:27 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.6°C (9:25 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:27 kf magnuse: planning a trip? :)
08:30 magnuse nah, i wish...
08:30 magnuse just trying to find somewhere close to palmerston north
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08:45 WaylonR @wunder palm, New zealand
08:45 huginn WaylonR: The current temperature in Harlem, Barto, Pennsylvania is -7.1°C (3:37 AM EST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
09:01 mtj WaylonR, whanganui or levin are your best option, i think
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10:06 WaylonR @wunder bulls, new zealand
10:06 huginn WaylonR: The current temperature in Bulls, Bulls, New Zealand is 21.6°C (11:03 PM NZDT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Thunderstorm. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999 hPa (Rising).
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10:28 mtj … or bulls :p
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12:30 kf gmcharlt: around?
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12:41 magnuse kf: too early?
12:41 jcamins_away Much.
12:41 kf probably
12:41 jcamins_away It's 4:40 out here on the West Coast.
12:42 kf why are you awake???
12:43 jcamins_away We're leaving for the airport in an hour.
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12:45 kf jcamins_away: back to normal timezones
12:45 kf excellent ;)
12:45 jcamins_away Yup.
12:48 jcamins_away drojf: please answer my question on bug 9201.
12:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9201 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Passed QA , OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
12:52 drojf jcamins_away: oops, i thought i had done that already. lousy brain not connecting to bugzilla and posting what i thought about
12:52 jcamins_away Tsk tsk. When you get that fixed, let me know how you did it.
12:53 drojf i will if i remember :D
12:55 drojf can i get git to list the branches together with the date of the last commit?
12:55 jcamins_away Hm.
12:55 jcamins_away I don't know how.
12:56 jcamins_away git for-each-ref --sort=-committerdate refs/heads/
12:56 jcamins_away[…]ost-recent-commit
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12:58 drojf git for-each-ref --sort=-committerdate refs/heads/ --format='%(refname:short) %(committerdate:short) %(authorname)'
12:59 drojf the answer at the end is what does it for me
12:59 drojf thanks
12:59 jcamins_away Yay!
12:59 kf drojf++ jcamins++ :)
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13:12 drojf jcamins_away: done
13:14 jcamins_away Thanks.
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13:14 oleonard Hi #koha
13:14 jcamins_away Does that actually depend on bug 8906?
13:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Improve OAI management interface
13:14 jcamins_away Good morning.
13:14 drojf jcamins_away: the functionality does not. i only did not change the text that explains that 0 in any field deletes it
13:15 drojf i think that was all
13:15 jcamins_away Ah.
13:15 jcamins_away In that case, I will push it without 8906.
13:15 drojf cool
13:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8733' into 3.12-master <[…]fe16ad784331ded0d> / Bug 8733: Increment version number <[…]d27cef76bf49c7610> / Bug 8733: Follow-up The isbn sent to idream contains dash <[…]diff;h=915ff938a1
13:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #1034 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:23 tcohen good morning #koha
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13:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9201' into 3.12-master <[…]9e05c741f68d7e4c5> / Bug 9201 OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0 <[…]12431bb34d2564e1e>
13:41 oleonard So what's up everybody? Monday! Woo-hoo! Yeah!
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13:44 kf oleonard: so enthuasiastic about monday?
13:45 oleonard Sure, why not.
13:46 drojf yay, i managed to use localstorage with javascript \o/
13:46 drojf this monday could be worse ;)
13:48 oleonard that's cool drojf, what for?
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13:50 drojf oleonard: an app for firefox os. not really koha-related. i have not done much with javascript so far
13:51 drojf i thought i could ignore it and it would go away some day but i guess it doesn't
13:51 kf heh
13:51 oleonard Javascript is getting more respectable all the time :)
13:52 drojf do we have the ultimate js/jquery date picker in koha?
13:53 oleonard The ultimate? We have the jQueryUI version anyway.
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13:59 drojf that looks conveniently easy to use. sold :)
14:00 drojf there is a zebra datepicker jquery plugin. scary name
14:05 oleonard Oh, datepicker doesn't work? Better re-build the index. You probably had an invalid leap year day in 1976.
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14:06 drojf lol
14:08 oleonard
14:08 * magnuse has seen the sun - this monday coule be A LOT worse
14:10 * chris_n contemplates what the gid might be for a linux group named 'FOOnone' where 'FOO' is the hostname
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14:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1034: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1034/
14:27 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 9503 Correct name of parameter passed to
14:27 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 9503: Followup remove unused parameters passed to
14:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733: Add enhanced content
14:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733 follow-up: restore isbn class in details page
14:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9503 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Link from histsearch via invoicenumber results in error
14:27 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8733: Follow-up The isbn sent to idream contains dash
14:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733: Increment version number
14:27 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 9201 OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
14:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8733 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Adding critic reviews to book pages
14:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9201 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
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14:42 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha 200 developers!! this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 7 February 2013, at 2:00 UTC
14:45 drojf s/conveniently easy to use/like i have to use a gazillion files even for just one function and in the end it only shows a loading symbol/
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15:27 kf *muahaha*
15:27 kf you can kill the koha index with a 020$9 subfields that has hyphens in explicit positions
15:27 oleonard Sounds like a nifty feature
15:27 tcohen you evil
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15:29 kf )
15:29 kf :)
15:30 kf that was pretty hard to achieve.
15:30 drojf congratulations
15:31 kf drojf: installation party hit inetbib? :)
15:33 magnuse kf++
15:34 kf drojf: and maybe interesting for you - if you use fields in your marc that are not in the frameworks, koha will delete them upon saving the record in koha...
15:36 drojf kf: that's what i expected it to do
15:39 oleonard kf: I have attached a revised and squashed patch to Bug 8913. Sorry for the long delay.
15:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Improve acquisitions navigation
15:40 * oleonard would really like to get that in before converting acquisitions menus to Bootstrap
15:41 kf oleonard: cool :)
15:41 kf oleonard: yes, that would be useful
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16:18 reiveune bye
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17:17 ryansipes Hello Koha community!
17:18 oleonard Hi ryansipes
17:19 ryansipes I thought I'd jump on here and introduce myself as I hope to be quite active in the community
17:20 ryansipes My name is obviously Ryan Sipes and I am the new Systems Administrator at Northeast Kansas Library System.  We are the ones hosting the website.
17:20 oleonard ryansipes: So you're their new wizzyrea? :)
17:21 ryansipes oleonard: Well I'm certainly trying.
17:22 oleonard ryansipes: I'm with the Athens County Public Library system in Ohio, but I grew up in Lawrence.
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17:23 libsysguy I'm with ByWater Solutions in Texas :)
17:24 libsysguy hi ryansipes
17:24 ryansipes Hey libsysguy.
17:24 * cait waves
17:24 cait hi libsysguy and ryansipes
17:24 libsysguy welcome to Koha
17:25 libsysguy heya cait
17:25 ryansipes Thank you.
17:25 libsysguy so what are you hoping to do in Koha?
17:25 * libsysguy loves to pry
17:25 cait oh what did I imss? :P
17:26 libsysguy ryansipes: is the new wizzyrea for nekls
17:26 cait oh
17:27 ryansipes I would like to contribute in any way possible really.  I've only been @nekls for a couple of weeks, but I'm very interested in keeping strong ties with Koha
17:27 cait well welcome to the community :)
17:27 cait we always need help testing stuff for example
17:27 cait sign offs and insights from libraries are very important :)
17:27 libsysguy watchout ryansipes cait is the QAM and she is secretly recruiting you
17:28 cait sssh
17:28 cait :)
17:28 * libsysguy got pulled in to the QA circle
17:28 libsysguy the wheels on QAA go round and round, round and round, round and round
17:29 cait neverending...
17:29 cait but tonight I first have to finish an assignment for my distance study :(
17:29 cait and I already put 1.5 hours into it this morning
17:29 ryansipes Haha, well any way that I can contribute.  If I were to do some testing where would I log the information.  The project uses bugzilla, yes?
17:29 cait *sigh*
17:29 cait yep
17:29 cait bugzilla is quite important
17:30 oleonard bugzilla?
17:30 oleonard bugs?
17:30 oleonard Hmf.
17:30 cait hm
17:30 cait it used to work
17:30 cait wahanui?
17:30 drojf where is that lazy bot?
17:30 libsysguy
17:30 cait we are missing a bot
17:30 oleonard Well that would explain it
17:30 libsysguy the real one is
17:30 oleonard libsysguy: :P
17:31 libsysguy I'm trying to beg my way out of BZ and into Jira :p
17:31 cait ryansipes: there are also various mailing lists, but every new feature or bug has a life cycle in bugzilla :)
17:31 cait so that's really a central place
17:31 slef Jira grrrrrrrrrr
17:31 cait libsysguy: now you did it... woke up slef
17:31 ryansipes cait, What's the link for mailing list?
17:31 cait angry slef
17:31 libsysguy whats wrong with Jira
17:31 libsysguy uh oh
17:31 slef libsysguy: Atlassian, at its root.
17:32 libsysguy you mean how they take OSS and sell it :p
17:32 libsysguy after they put a pretty face on it
17:32 cait normally our bot would serve you the link... now I have to go looking
17:32 slef I mean how they take OSS and use it to sell proprietary stuff.
17:32 * oleonard is lost
17:32 cait[…]ha-mailing-lists/
17:32 cait here you go
17:32 cait oleonard: oh no!
17:32 slef libsysguy: that would be excusable if it was less seriously buggy.
17:33 libsysguy Jira is a really polished version of a bugs/gerrit hybrid
17:33 drojf the labyrinth of #koha
17:33 ryansipes cait: Thank you.
17:33 drojf the #koha triangle
17:33 cait np :)
17:33 slef libsysguy: really my worst ire is reserved for that half-assed wiki they sell alongside Jira.
17:33 cait drojf: you get lost here an dhave to stay forever?
17:33 cait I can live with that - good company :)
17:33 libsysguy heh
17:34 libsysguy well I didn't set up a demo for confluence
17:34 cait ryansipes: btw I am also kf and work for BSZ in Germany
17:34 libsysguy but I did set up a demo for Jira, stash, and crucible
17:35 ryansipes cait: Awesome, I subscribed to the mailing list so that's taken care of.
17:36 slef hi ryansipes by the way
17:36 ryansipes slef: Hello!
17:36 libsysguy slef the thing I like about stash it the way it works like github
17:36 slef libsysguy: not seen stash or crucible and sort of hope I don't need to ;)
17:37 libsysguy heh
17:37 * libsysguy is just branstorming ways to improve the workflow
17:37 slef libsysguy: it just upsets me that there are companies like Atlassian around when good developers could sell more.
17:38 slef libsysguy: who are the demos for?
17:38 libsysguy one sec slef
17:38 libsysguy call
17:39 * slef goes take a quick look to see what stash and crucible are, but still hopes not to meet them.
17:40 slef so jira isn't OSS anyway
17:41 oleonard That seems like a pretty big deal-breaker
17:42 libsysguy they give you the sauce?
17:42 libsysguy I have it on that box
17:42 libsysguy albeit I didn't build it
17:42 slef "Atlassian products are not open source for the most part, but are sold under a license which permits customers to view and modify code so long as they do not redistribute or resell it" (wikipedia)
17:43 libsysguy correct ^^
17:43 slef cites
17:43 libsysguy but they do give the software away to open source projects
17:44 libsysguy along with the source to modify
17:44 libsysguy but you still have to have a license
17:44 slef yeah, like a good drug dealer
17:44 slef first hit on the bong is free
17:45 slef get them hooked/locked-in, then sell it to them
17:45 slef then take their distinctiveness/modifications and add them to your own
17:45 slef and profit from them
17:45 slef it's an inequitable model
17:46 slef I actually prefer the proprietary-for-everyone models n some ways. At least you know where you stand. (Outside the walls.)
17:47 slef bbl
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17:47 libsysguy well wither we use something atlassian or we use something completely foss idc
17:48 * oleonard votes FOSS
17:48 libsysguy I would just like to make patching koha easier, especially for new devs
17:48 slef oh parting thought: Atlassian and Liblime have a lot of similarities - act like they're FOSS, but aren't really
17:48 cait libsysguy: i don't think the tools are the problem
17:48 libsysguy there is a severe disparity in developer education
17:49 cait I think everyone can ask and will get help
17:49 slef and yes, libsysguy, I agree... things could be made a bit easier, but Atlassian is not the way
17:49 cait and we have some documentation... but that could be better probably
17:49 libsysguy that is fine, its a community decision, I just want to get *a* ball rolling
17:49 slef We already have the source on github, which is as poor as Atlassian, and it's not terribly popular.
17:50 slef libsysguy: survey new/wannabe/maybe devs and find out what would help?
17:50 libsysguy catalyst recently did that
17:50 slef oh
17:50 slef I missed that.
17:50 oleonard libsysguy: Why no get the ball rolling by writing a message to the dev list talking about your concerns, identify what problems you think we have?
17:50 slef Link?
17:50 libsysguy catalyst the framwork
17:50 libsysguy not the NZ do
17:50 libsysguy co*
17:50 slef bah, namespace collision
17:50 drojf tl;dr but i vote FOSS for everything
17:51 slef ok, is catalyst-the-framwork's survey FOSS?
17:51 slef can we repeat it op op op oppa koha-style?
17:52 slef bbl
17:52 libsysguy I think they used google forms
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17:57 oleonard libsysguy: For the sake of understanding your goals, what problem does Jira solve for us
17:57 libsysguy seamless integration
17:57 libsysguy all the atlassian products integrate
17:58 libsysguy it also solves a problem I have with the patch workflow
17:58 oleonard Seamless integration among what parts?
17:59 libsysguy I would like to have a bi-patching model.  For devs that would like to run their own branches, they can make pull request from stash.  when they want to submit that code, crucible indexes all the changes and makes the code under review from QA or RM
17:59 libsysguy this removes the comments we have from BZ on "this doesn't work this way"
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17:59 libsysguy its all in-line
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17:59 libsysguy I think the real benefit for us would be crucible/fisheye
18:00 libsysguy Jira just links those issues from stash and crucible
18:01 libsysguy I wish I could show you a demo
18:01 libsysguy I need to export BZ to get a viable one set up
18:01 libsysguy I have the atlassian stuff set up, but no data yet
18:02 oleonard libsysguy: I'm more interested in understanding the problems you think we need to solve than the features of this product. No FOSS is a genuine deal-breaker in this case.
18:02 cait I think I agree with oleonard
18:03 libsysguy well, I think the review process could use a little streamlining.  Personally I don't like the process of submitting a patch, I'd rather make a pull request so that everybody can see what is going on
18:03 cait you can do pull requests now too
18:03 libsysguy but you can't see what I'm working on
18:03 cait and how can you see btter what's going on with a pull request?
18:03 cait I think it would be quite hard to keep track of what everyone is working on
18:04 cait and we have a pge on the wiki with repositories
18:04 cait and other branches have been published on in the past
18:04 libsysguy right, but this would centralize it
18:04 libsysguy instead of gmcharlt having to make a separate repo for each dev to push to
18:05 libsysguy *but* atlassian is not *FOSS*
18:05 libsysguy its *OSS* that they give away to FOSS projects
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18:06 libsysguy with the exception of Jira, where they give you the binary that extracts with a JVM
18:06 cait I think they have been talkng about setting up a working repo everyone can push to
18:06 cait like evergreen does
18:06 cait[…]git#working_repos
18:06 libsysguy I'd really like to get a workflow similar to evergreen, but with the option for new devs to still submit patches
18:07 cait hm
18:07 cait why is the workflow of evergreen btter than ours?
18:08 libsysguy visibility
18:08 libsysguy a page on the wiki where all the repos are distributed is kind of a pita
18:22 slef libsysguy: that's not OSS unless you reject the open source definition.  I don't like but they're still the definition.
18:23 slef and as for integration, I like trac but no idea if it solves this problem as it's not a situation I've used it in yet
18:23 libsysguy holy moses, as someone who has used trac…never again
18:24 libsysguy although I used it with svn
18:24 slef yeah - where and when? It can be (mis)configured a lot and did improve around 0.12 or something
18:24 libsysguy so that could have been half the problem
18:24 libsysguy it has been a few years
18:25 libsysguy when I worked for a Domain parking company
18:25 slef maybe... around 0.12 was when the version control became a plugin, so you could use different ones and/or different ways
18:25 libsysguy like all things, it can be misused
18:25 slef there can be a temptation to go "oh trac can do that" and try to use it, whether or not it currently suits your work
18:25 slef but hey, I like it and it's fairly easy to write plugins for... each to their own
18:26 slef we still haven't quite kicked RT though ;)
18:26 libsysguy heh
18:27 libsysguy oh RT
18:40 rangi Morning
18:41 cait morning
18:41 Dyrcona Speaking from the Evergreen experience: TRAC has some issues with git, particularly it seems to do a lot of excessive checkouts when someone is browsing a git repository.
18:43 slef browsing or spidering? ;)
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18:45 Dyrcona slef: Probably the latter. I didn't run the servers, but heard of the troubles via IRC and when some web services went down.
18:47 jcamins_away cait: the benefit of the working repository is that it gives us a way to handle iterative development, where developer A writes a patch, developer B tests it, A rewrites it...
18:48 cait I am not against that
18:48 cait I think it's worth a try
18:48 cait only we have people contributing on different levels :) and I am not sure a tool is the solution
18:48 jcamins_away Right now the result is horrors like bug 7167... fifty million comments, and all the important things somewhere in the middle.
18:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements
18:48 rangi Like gerrit?
18:48 libsysguy gerrit would be the foss alternative
18:48 cait jcamins_away: I think things like that always get messy
18:49 csharp slef: it was spidering in our case
18:49 csharp in particular it was Bing
18:49 rangi I ran into I'm too lazy to use gerrit
18:49 jcamins_away Ah-ha!
18:49 jcamins_away Now I understand.
18:49 jcamins_away Nope.
18:49 jcamins_away Wait...
18:49 rangi When I tried to introduce it
18:49 jcamins_away cait: now I understand, and, no.
18:50 rangi It's a people problem not a tool one
18:50 cait jcamins_away: now you confused me :)
18:50 libsysguy ^^ me too
18:50 jcamins_away cait: the problem should be easily fixable. The problem is in C4::Heading. It
18:50 cait btw .. I left you a gazillion notes about the our indexing problem. um.
18:50 rangi People need to spend more time up front with gerrit to save everyone else's time
18:51 cait rangi: I tihnk it's often like that
18:51 cait people complain to me about our ticket system
18:51 jcamins_away ... is being called on every field, when it should just be called on valid fields.
18:51 rangi People have to value others time as much as their own
18:51 cait because ys, it takes a little longer than writing an email
18:51 cait but the benefit is that you have more information and all in one place in a form that you can work with
18:51 rangi Same is true on the mailing list
18:51 rangi Ask a question properly and save the responders time
18:52 * cait nods
18:52 rangi Wow I'm ranty today
18:52 cait a bit :)
18:52 libsysguy its a ranty kind of day for me too
18:52 libsysguy or maybe just a complain-y one
18:52 libsysguy I can't decide
18:53 jcamins_away cait: it would be easy to fix at... line 78 or so in Koha/Filter/MARC/
18:53 cait jcamins_away: that sounds awesome
18:53 cait can I get back to you about that a little later?
18:53 jcamins_away I'll probably be back tomorrow or Wednesday.
18:53 cait I am still on assignment number 7 and dishes... and my head is not in a place to have too many things going on right now
18:53 jcamins_away :)
18:54 cait jcamins_away: oh?
18:54 jcamins_away Also, you Germans have the weirdest data!
18:54 cait yeah... tell me
18:54 cait although I think this one was at least kind of logical
18:54 jcamins_away I'm in Dallas waiting to board my next flight.
18:54 jcamins_away Kind of, yes.
18:54 Dyrcona jcamins_away: Ever seen a MARC record in Georgian?
18:55 jcamins_away Dyrcona: I have, actually, but just one
18:55 libsysguy oh hey we are in the same state jcamins
18:55 cait Dyrcona: can't be worse than GND records for him :)
18:55 libsysguy you can fly down to Houston and visit :p
18:55 jcamins_away libsysguy: yeah, but I'd rather get home before midnight. :P
18:55 cait safe travels
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18:55 jcamins_away Dyrcona: I've also seen a RUSMARC record or two.
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18:57 jcamins_away Okay, we shoud be boarding momentarily.
18:57 jcamins_away Back from New York, eventually.
18:59 libsysguy I think it is much colder there jcamins_away
19:01 cait arg
19:01 cait now I missed him
19:01 cait jcamins_away: if you are still around... are you thinking aobut an exeption for 020 or a more general solution?
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19:09 rangi Ok my stop
19:09 rangi Gotta go get my new passport
19:09 rangi Bbiab
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19:27 alohabot Hi mib_yqq0o0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
19:27 oleonard wahanui is a bot who is mad at us and is sulking at home.
19:28 cait oleonard: sounds like him
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19:28 cait @later tell eythian please bring back wahanui?
19:28 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
19:31 drojf javascript does not like me :(
19:31 cait don't take it personal
19:33 slef csharp, Dyrcona: yeah, Bing has started ignoring robot.txt recently.
19:33 cait drojf: want to learn something about business process management instead?
19:34 drojf cait: very tempting, but no. you can have it all
19:35 cait you are so generous
19:35 drojf :9
19:35 drojf :)
19:35 cait *grump*
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19:40 drojf great, now i broke it completely
19:43 oleonard drojf: That's the motto on the JavaScript coat of arms
19:44 drojf lol
19:45 gcb Is there anyone out there familiar with and I just loaded a number of records and searches are throwing errors in opac-error.log on both those scripts.
19:46 libsysguy what is the error...
19:46 cait gcb: errors or warns? :)
19:47 gcb When I do a search through the opac itself, it returns results, but throws this error... [Mon Feb  4 11:29:17 2013] Use of uninitialized value $ccode in exists at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 532., referer:[…]
19:50 rangi back
19:51 libsysguy that was not a long time for a passport
19:51 rangi you can order them online here
19:51 libsysguy I think that is a common error actually
19:51 rangi gcb: thats a warn, you can safely ignore it
19:51 libsysguy oh…well lucky you…I had to stand in a line…for HOURS...
19:51 gcb BTW--I'm running on Debian 64-bit...
19:52 rangi gcb: we try and quiet all the warns but sometimes we miss them, that doesnt cause any adverse behaviour, just is noisy in the log
19:52 rangi (if you don't have collection codes set)
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19:54 rangi libsysguy: here you can even upload the jpg yourself
19:54 libsysguy wow
19:54 gcb If I select one of the returned records, go to its display and then click on one of the subject heading hangs on the search and craches the browser window. The error returned on that one is ...[Mon Feb  4 11:29:28 2013] Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 825., r
19:54 libsysguy I'm jealous
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19:55 rangi gcb: again, that is not an error, just a warn
19:55 cait gcb: crashing the browser sounds more like a javasript issue
19:55 rangi yeah
19:56 cait probably unrelated to what you see in the log
19:56 gcb full error ...[Mon Feb  4 11:29:28 2013] Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 825., referer:[…]=kw,wrdl:%20spies
19:56 drojf i blame javascript for everything
19:57 cait hmmm
19:57 cait it could be highlighting
19:57 gcb So for the first error...ignore it or set the ccode on each record?
19:57 wizzyrea yes, that was what I was thinking - highlighting
19:57 cait gcb: the first one you should probably conplete your configuration
19:57 wizzyrea that record comes up for me without hanging
19:58 rangi gcb: its a warn, you can ignore it
19:58 cait make sure for all the collection codes used there is an entry in authorized values CCODE
19:58 cait wizzyrea: try clicking on a subject link - i can reproduce
19:58 wizzyrea gcb: firefox or chrome?
19:58 cait using firefoy
19:58 cait firefox
19:58 wizzyrea ah yep that did it
19:58 cait I think it's highlighting messing up again
19:58 gcb That is 952$8? None of the records have that subfield set
19:58 wizzyrea oh wait
19:58 wizzyrea it crashed then recovered.
19:58 gcb I'm on chrome
19:59 wizzyrea then crashed again lol.
19:59 wizzyrea it has to be highlighting.
19:59 cait the - and spaces
19:59 cait maybe in the search terms
19:59 rangi yeah, switch the highlighting off
19:59 rangi you can do that in sysprefs right?
19:59 wizzyrea yep
19:59 cait i think so
19:59 * wizzyrea wonders if it can be made to cope with those things
19:59 cait I think it's probably the dot
19:59 cait or something
19:59 rangi gcb: for your nasty crash, switching off the highlighting is probably the best bet
20:00 cait I had that happen with some not so clean search terms
20:00 cait gcb: still there? :)
20:00 rangi getting coffee, brb
20:00 oleonard How does one reproduce this browser crash?
20:00 gcb Still here
20:00 cait oleonard: clicking on the spies subject in the link above does it for me
20:01 wizzyrea or you can do a search
20:01 wizzyrea su:"something - something else."
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20:03 cgb I think you were right about the highlighting. Turned it off and the search results seem to be coming up fine now.
20:03 wizzyrea winning!
20:03 oleonard Hooray! We made a feature that breaks things!
20:04 cgb Thanks, all!
20:04 wizzyrea yayee yay.
20:04 wizzyrea but the question is - can it be fixed
20:04 wizzyrea :)
20:05 cait I think eythian fixed some things releated to highlighting crashing
20:05 cait but not sure which version
20:05 cait 3.10.2... so probably a new problem
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20:07 rangi back
20:08 rangi cait: he fixed a bug like this, it might not have been pushed to stable/master yet?
20:08 cait hm I tihnk it was
20:08 cait it was while he was here
20:08 cait maybe it crept back in or it's another iteration
20:08 cait or my memory is off :)
20:09 oleonard There was one fix a while ago, and then recently another similar fix
20:09 rangi yeah i recall that
20:09 rangi the recent one
20:10 cait it's the dot
20:10 cait[…]%20%20Fiction.%22
20:10 cait this works nicely for me
20:11 cait[…]-%20%20Fiction%22
20:11 cait no dot at the end
20:11 cait no crash.
20:14 wizzyrea khall - about?
20:14 khall yo
20:14 wizzyrea yo - bug 5790
20:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent subscriptions and holds
20:15 wizzyrea in the last 4 days there was a patch to how the variables in js are handled in that toolbar
20:15 wizzyrea and it messes up your patch - makes a conflict
20:15 khall dang it!
20:15 drojf cait: they do both work for me?!
20:15 cait hm
20:15 cait werid.
20:16 wizzyrea I know! rather than set it back to doesn't apply - wanna just fix it quicky like?
20:16 wizzyrea if you have a minute
20:16 khall wizzyrea: sure, if you can tell me what needs altered
20:17 wizzyrea[…]626525757b8f944ce this commit is what is conflicting
20:22 khall I'm on it!
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20:26 khall wizzyrea: new patch has been uploaded
20:27 wizzyrea bless you kind sir
20:27 wizzyrea \o/
20:27 khall lol, no problemo!
20:27 * wizzyrea tests it RIGHTNOW
20:28 * khall crosses his fingers and holds his breath
20:29 wizzyrea :) it'll be fine
20:30 wizzyrea perfect :)
20:30 khall excellent! wizzyrea++
20:30 wizzyrea though I often wonder why you can actually click on them if they are grey
20:30 wizzyrea but part of me likes the fact that it will tell you WHY
20:30 khall that's it exactly
20:30 khall if we didn't want the message we could just set the state to disabled instead of using css
20:31 khall but I think the message is very useful
20:32 wizzyrea no I like it
20:32 wizzyrea and I said so :P
20:33 wizzyrea khall++ thanks for fixing that
20:34 khall np
20:40 rangi heh that latest email exactly proves my point :)
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20:46 drojf :(
20:51 wizzyrea omg khall - there is a PATCH for bug 2720
20:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned
20:51 * wizzyrea is astounded by this
20:51 wizzyrea and so. excited.
20:52 * wizzyrea wonders who is sponsoring it
20:52 oleonard We contributed.
20:53 cait wizzyrea: it needs to be a pref
20:53 wizzyrea I think NEKLS did too, but I've slept.
20:53 cait I think our libraries don't want to undebar automatically
20:54 cait hm, or they might
20:54 wizzyrea well it looks like this undebars automatically for overdues only
20:54 cait yes
20:54 cait but I think that needs to be a pref
20:54 wizzyrea which makes PERFECT sense.
20:54 cait it's like the final measure for some that don't have fines
20:55 wizzyrea right, but it undebars when the item is checked in
20:55 cait self checks
20:55 cait for example
20:55 cait the patron wouldn't have to show up at the desk, which is what the library might want to do
20:55 cait I mean... want the patron to do
20:55 wizzyrea I'd make a note of your objections - SIP could cope with that differently and send them to the desk.
20:56 cait sorry if I am being mean about this - it looks good and I like the idea to
20:56 cait o
20:56 cait I am just worried not every library wants it to work like that
20:57 slef undebar - n. drinking venue where you do not wear top clothes.
20:57 drojf :)
20:58 wizzyrea wunderbar = wonderful.
20:58 wizzyrea or something.
20:58 slef Katastroph!
20:58 wizzyrea hi slef :)
20:58 slef Katastroph - noun, a variant of a cold caught by felines.
20:59 cait are we all talking german now?
20:59 slef cait: ja aber sicher
20:59 cait Deutsche Abenstunde in #koha? :)
20:59 eythian no.
20:59 slef but go search for "Uxbridge English Dictionary" if you want more daft definitions. It's from the same source as Mornington Crescent.
20:59 slef You know Mornington Crescent, right?
20:59 cait eythian: Spassverderber
21:00 slef eythian: hoe gaat het met je?
21:00 cait eythian: wahanui? :)
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21:00 slef[…]escent_%28game%29
21:00 drojf vart minderen spart kinderen
21:01 eythian slef: goed, bedankt
21:01 * slef is now living near enough to receive Dutch radio again
21:01 eythian drum roll, please.
21:02 drojf slef: you have heard of this interweb thing where stuff goes round the world? :P
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21:02 eythian wahanui: welcome back
21:02 slef wahanui: drum roll
21:02 wahanui eythian: huh?
21:02 wahanui slef: huh?
21:02 slef wahanui: fail
21:02 wahanui slef: what?
21:02 eythian wahanui: welcome back is <reply>I hate jetlag.
21:02 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:02 slef wahanui: wrong
21:02 wahanui slef: what?
21:03 eythian wahanui: welcome back is also <reply>cait abducted me.
21:03 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:03 wizzyrea wahanui: fail is <reply> but I do my best!
21:03 wahanui OK, wizzyrea.
21:03 eythian wahanui: welcome back is also <reply>I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
21:03 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:03 eythian wahanui: literal welcome back
21:03 wahanui eythian: welcome back =is= <reply>I hate jetlag.|<reply>cait abducted me.|<reply>I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
21:04 wizzyrea wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what you teach me.
21:04 wahanui wizzyrea: no idea
21:04 wizzyrea gr.
21:04 drojf lol
21:04 cait hmpf
21:04 eythian wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what \you teach me.
21:04 wahanui eythian: i don't know
21:04 eythian wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what \you teach \me.
21:04 wahanui i don't know, eythian
21:04 eythian wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only \know what \you teach \me.
21:04 wahanui eythian: i don't know
21:04 eythian I wonder which word it is...
21:04 wizzyrea I maybe?
21:04 eythian wahanui: wrong is <reply>I only know what you teach me.
21:04 wahanui eythian: wish i knew
21:05 eythian no, I used 'I' above
21:05 wizzyrea wrong is <reply> \I only know what \you teach \me.
21:05 wizzyrea well that did something.
21:05 wizzyrea wrong?
21:05 wahanui I only know what you teach me.
21:05 wizzyrea WINNING.
21:06 eythian wahanui: winning is <reply>Thanks, Mr Sheen.
21:06 wahanui eythian: bitte
21:06 wizzyrea hahahaha
21:06 eythian wahanui: winning is <reply>\Thanks, Mr Sheen.
21:06 wahanui eythian: sure thing
21:06 eythian grr
21:06 eythian wahanui: winning is <reply>#, Mr Sheen.
21:06 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:06 eythian wahanui: winning =~ s/#/Thanks/
21:06 wahanui OK, eythian
21:06 eythian there.
21:06 drojf easy
21:06 wizzyrea winning!
21:06 wahanui Thanks, Mr Sheen.
21:06 wizzyrea <3
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21:10 wizzyrea fail
21:10 wizzyrea fail?
21:10 wahanui but I do wizzyrea's best!
21:10 wizzyrea oo
21:10 eythian haha
21:10 wizzyrea :)
21:10 wizzyrea's not very good.
21:10 wizzyrea ...yet
21:11 wizzyrea do you like my aspirational, irritating american, optimism?
21:11 wizzyrea ^.^
21:11 eythian I hear it's your dream.
21:11 wizzyrea dream, indeed.
21:14 eythian wahanui: zippy
21:14 wahanui eythian: what?
21:14 eythian @zippy
21:14 huginn eythian: downloading the Perl source
21:14 eythian wahanui: be zippy
21:14 wahanui Actually, what I'd like is a little toy spaceship!!
21:15 wizzyrea can he ask for a pony?
21:15 eythian wahanui: be wizzyrea is <reply>do you like \my aspirational, irritating american, optimism#
21:15 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:15 wizzyrea LOL
21:15 eythian wahanui: be wizzyrea =~ s/#/?/
21:15 wahanui OK, eythian
21:15 wizzyrea be wizzyrea
21:15 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritating american, optimism?
21:16 eythian wahanui: be zippy
21:16 wahanui Sometime in 1993 NANCY SINATRA will lead a BLOODLESS COUP on GUAM!!
21:16 eythian it's true.
21:16 eythian wahanui: it's true is <reply>I read it on the internet!
21:16 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:17 eythian wahanui: it's true is also<reply>I saw it on Digg!
21:17 wahanui ...but it's true is <reply>I read it on the internet!...
21:17 eythian wahanui: it's true is also <reply>I saw it on Digg!
21:17 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:17 rangi wizzyrea:[…]eraowaitangi.html
21:18 rangi weather permitting we will go there then to your place
21:18 wizzyrea gah! they're gonna show boy!
21:18 rangi in the evening
21:18 rangi we could always all pile onto a bus after the bbq ;)
21:18 wizzyrea :D
21:18 wizzyrea true!
21:19 rangi annoyingly the programme is a pdf
21:19 wizzyrea they like doing that
21:19 rangi but the movie doesnt start til 9
21:19 wizzyrea oof that's pretty late
21:19 rangi yeah with school the next day, we wont make it
21:19 wizzyrea for a school day
21:20 wizzyrea yea, for spud to
21:20 wizzyrea too*
21:24 wizzyrea be wizzyrea
21:24 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
21:24 eythian <-- unrelated but neat
21:24 wizzyrea sorry the grammar was bothering me.
21:24 wizzyrea >.>
21:26 eythian wahanui: awesome is <reply>That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, $who
21:26 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:27 wizzyrea hehe
21:27 wizzyrea if we actually had an awesome jar, we could fund a lot of patches.
21:32 * cjh needs to find a new word to express awesomeness
21:32 drojf wahanui botsnack awesome jar
21:32 wahanui :)
21:32 eythian heh: [  324] drojf is addressing me
21:32 eythian [  325] random praise [public,1]: botsnack awesome jar
21:33 eythian random praise indeed.
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21:36 wizzyrea oh is that wahanui's log?
21:36 eythian yeah
21:36 wizzyrea haha
21:36 wizzyrea oh boy all of our foibles are recorded.
21:36 wizzyrea yayeeeee
21:37 eythian -rw-rw-r-- 1 chrisc koha  74M Feb  4 21:34 wahanui.log
21:37 eythian it's quite large
21:37 wizzyrea we have many foibles.
21:37 eythian wahanui: status
21:37 wahanui Since Mon Feb  4 20:59:50 2013, there have been 15 modifications and 14 questions.  I have been awake for 35 minutes, 39 seconds this session, and currently reference 25689 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
21:37 drojf I, spybot.
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21:46 wizzyrea cait - about?
21:47 cait hm give me a few more minute
21:47 cait s
21:47 cait I have to finish this
21:47 wizzyrea ah yep np
21:53 libsysguy @later tell slef
21:53 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
21:54 cait ok, here now :)
21:54 libsysguy got the dishes all done cait?
21:54 cait wizzyrea: ping
21:54 cait libsysguy: ages ago. I was working on my distance study course
21:54 libsysguy blech
21:54 cait yeah
21:55 wizzyrea well I was going to ask you about serials routing holds - we talked about this ages ago
21:55 wizzyrea but if you're busy it can wait.
21:55 cait more tired than busy
21:55 wizzyrea ah yea, it's not worth taxing you over :)
21:55 cait I think we were not sure how it should be handled
21:55 wizzyrea well the way (as I understand it) it is supposed to work
21:56 cait we argued between title level and item level hold somehowe
21:56 rangi heh
21:56 cait and then assumed it should be different
21:56 cait logs? hehe
21:56 wizzyrea is that each time you receive a serial, it is supposed to create holds for each serial
21:56 cait for the issue
21:56 wizzyrea right
21:56 wizzyrea for each issue of a serial
21:56 cait hm
21:56 cait for the issue you received
21:56 wizzyrea right
21:57 cait for the people on the routing list in the order of the routing list
21:57 rangi its the fact that biblioitem level holds were killed and when ppl killed them, they didnt update the routing list code
21:57 wizzyrea yes, that is how I understand it.
21:57 cait I am not sure how biblioitem level holds worked
21:57 rangi basically that just needs to change to itemlevel holds, and it will be back the way the system was designed (and paid for) to work
21:57 wizzyrea I just want to make sure that's how we should be expecting it to work
21:57 cait I also wonder if you need item records for this to work... or if it could work without
21:57 rangi you need item records
21:58 rangi you cant circulate things that dont have item records
21:58 wizzyrea yea it wouldn't work without items.
21:58 cait btw I had a library suggesting to print temporary barcodes on the routing lists... I liked that idea
21:58 wizzyrea oo
21:58 cait ok, so you need items
21:59 cait I think what would be nice is to make it able to turn it off and on - but we already have a pref for that globally
21:59 cait I think
21:59 wizzyrea yes
21:59 wizzyrea there is a pref for that
21:59 cait so if people do not star but ring routing they can do that
21:59 wizzyrea you can either have it do holds or not
21:59 wizzyrea already
21:59 cait it would be even nicer if you could make it per subscription - but that would be def an enhancement
21:59 wizzyrea the holds are broken though.
21:59 cait and the holds should be item specific now I think?
21:59 cait so they apply to only one issue
22:00 wizzyrea right
22:00 wizzyrea I was going to file a bug, but I didn't want to suggest that it should be a certain way if that's not the way it should be - and I think you have actually tried to use it? or did I misremember
22:00 cait rangi: I think you told me how it worked differently in the past, but I forgot :(
22:01 cait I have tested it - there is a bug - rangi left a comment on it yesterday I think
22:01 cait if you look for routing you shoudl find some bugs even I think
22:01 wizzyrea oh I missed the comment >.< sorry rangi
22:01 cait one about the holds being broken
22:01 cait it's an old report
22:01 wizzyrea right in 27-something
22:01 cait yeah
22:01 wizzyrea bug 2894
22:01 cait sorry, my brain is a bit...
22:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2894 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Routing list holds are broken
22:03 eythian
22:03 drojf oh look, javascript and json use different time formats. wtf.
22:04 eythian drojf: JSON is actually not a subset of javascript
22:04 eythian they also support string encoding differently
22:05 cait good night #koha :)
22:05 drojf confusing it is
22:05 drojf good night cait
22:06 cait drojf: you should sleep sometime too, you know? ;)
22:06 drojf but i want to playyyyy
22:06 cait ...
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23:03 libsysguy resistance is not futile.  Its voltage divided by current
23:03 trea ^^
23:03 trea
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23:19 mtj libsysguy++ ->
23:22 mtj jira looks to show some nice stats on the Koha codebase too ->[…]mits&d=asc&page=1
23:25 slef :(
23:27 rangi not correct stats tho
23:27 rangi well partial stats
23:27 rangi[…]ster/authors.html
23:30 rangi,n,z  <-- i think i still like gerrit better
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23:31 rangi mostly cos its FOSS
23:31 cjh I like how you can quickly view the status (nice colours and symbols on the right)
23:33 mtj slef, why the long face?
23:33 mtj gerrit looks freakin' awesome
23:35 slef mtj: jira... not looked at gerrit yet... having some fun with disks at the moment
23:38 mtj slef, ah yep  - thats a double frown
23:38 mtj rangi, do you still have a gerrit running for koha, somewhere… ?
23:43 drojf rangi: so what's the "more time upfront" people would have to spend with gerrit that they were to lazy for? isn't that info all coming from git?
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23:52 mtj drojf, i think the 'more time upfront', is if we use gerrit in our patch signoff/qa workflow
23:53 mtj the other option might be to just run a 'passive' gerrit, that only watches the Koha git repo
23:54 mtj … and is not used as part of our signoff/qa workflow
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