Time  Nick         Message
01:38 dcook        Allo #koha
01:39 rangi        hey dcook
01:41 dcook        hey rangi
01:41 dcook        Finally decided to actually download a client rather than use mibbit
01:41 dcook        Not sure I like it :p
01:42 rangi        what client are you using?
01:42 dcook        I probably haven't used mirc in 10 years
01:42 dcook        mIRC
01:42 rangi        ahh yeah that is pretty foul
01:42 rangi        you could try xchat
01:42 dcook        That's not freeware though, right?
01:42 rangi        no, its free software
01:43 rangi        http://xchat.org/
01:43 cjh          under linux its open source, under windows its iffy.
01:44 dcook        Hmm, I'll have to take a quick look
01:44 rangi        or chatzilla
01:50 dcook        Hmm. Not bad. I think mibbit is still nicer, but it's nice not to rely on a browser
01:50 dcook        Thanks for the info, rangi and cjh
01:50 wizzyrea     you can also use pidgin, or thunderbird has a built in chat client
01:51 wizzyrea     neither of those are the kind of thing that rangi or eythian would use, but you might find it more ergonomic than mIRC
01:53 dcook        mIRC is rather brutal, but xchat isn't too bad
01:54 dcook        Mibbit gives better information about idling/activity and possibly alerting
01:55 wizzyrea     all of them are pretty highly configurable in that regard.
01:55 dcook        Oh?
01:57 cjh          xchat and pidgin are both quite nice to use.
01:58 * wizzyrea   liked pidgin for a long time
01:58 wizzyrea     makes IRC look a lot like normal IM
01:58 cjh          dcook: you should be able to dig through xchat's settings for that
01:58 mtj          dcook, i recommend quassel
01:59 mtj          and, … hi all :)
01:59 cjh          hey mtj :)
01:59 wizzyrea     hi mtj :)
01:59 dcook        hey mtj
01:59 mtj          quassel even has an optional irc-proxy/irc-bouncer thing, too
02:00 dcook        Thanks for the recommendation. I think I might stick with xchat at this point though. We've started to bond :p
02:00 mtj          .. and runs on linux/win32/osx
02:00 cjh          dcook: under settings->preferences there is an 'alerts' tab, you could play around in there to see if it could behave how you like.
02:01 dcook        Good call, cjh. I was just starting to look at that :)
02:01 cjh          the official xchat binary for windows isn't open source, its a try for 30 days thing.
02:01 dcook        That's what I was thinking...
02:01 dcook        :/
02:02 rangi        yeah but the source is, its lgpl, so there are plenty of builds of it
02:02 mtj          next...
02:02 cjh          its apparently to help cover the cost of porting to windows, and there are plenty of unofficial binaries for it.
02:02 rangi        yep
02:02 cjh          so the only parts you cant see are any windows-specific black magic.
02:03 mtj          ive recently seen a bunch of FOSS binaries, as payware - seems to be a trend
02:04 dcook        I've wondered for a while about FOSS being re-distributed as payware
02:04 mtj          … but you usually have the option to compile successfully yourself
02:04 cjh          sometimes for windows its common to have to pay for teh binary, but the source is free. as compiling can be seen as tedious.
02:04 rangi        there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you get the source code
02:04 cjh          the gpl is perfectly fine with paying for open source :)
02:04 dcook        True
02:04 dcook        I suppose in a way many of us do it as well. Just more indirectly through hosting
02:05 dcook        Well, not indirectly, but seemingly indirectly
02:05 cjh          yeah, same idea :)
02:06 dcook        Ultimately, yet another reason to move away from Windows, eh?
02:07 dcook        I recently saw...openSuse using KDE and it looked pretty slick
02:07 dcook        I suppose marketing is a key factor though. After all, look at all the people buying Apple
03:01 cjh          marketing and being (or seeming) popular.
03:50 mtj          how do people feel about having empty customized blocks in Koha,  eg: the  'OpacMainUserBlock' block on the OPAC
03:52 mtj          curently, if the 'OpacMainUserBlock' syspref value is empty, the 'opacmainuserblock' <div> does not exist on page
03:53 mtj          …which is a pain in some situations, like when using jquery to insert content into that div… that doesnt exist
03:54 wizzyrea     can't you easily fix it by putting something, even if invisible, in there?
03:54 mtj          so, the workaround is to add 'xxxx' to the 'OpacMainUserBlock syspref
03:54 cjh          if you added a single space in there, wouldnt that solve it?
03:55 mtj          yep, thats the current workaround im using
03:56 mtj          would people accept a patch to fix that, etc.. ?
03:56 mtj          … or have i bumped into a deliberate 'feature' here?
03:57 wizzyrea     oleonard is the one to ask about that I think
03:57 wizzyrea     I don't see why it would be a problem
03:57 wizzyrea     but...
03:57 cjh          its ugly' having an empty block, but it shouldnt actually cause an issue. and if it's useful then I see no reason not to :)
03:58 cjh          ugly was meant to be in quotes >.>
03:59 mtj          cjh, its much uglier having to maintain/debug 'foofoo' values in many sysprefs, for many clients
03:59 cjh          yeah, and asking a client to leave the invisible whitespace in there is uglier.
04:01 cjh          mtj: fwiw: i'd sign off on it :)
04:02 mtj          … or just paste a big <hidden>DO NOT REMOVE TEH LINE!!!</hidden> for each custom syspref :/
04:03 cjh          I think having the block always be in there is the tidiest solution (assuming it doesnt cause some issue, but I doubt this)
04:03 mtj          thanx cjh,   i'll run the idea past Owen 1st
04:51 mtj          fyi: the solution i'm using to 'activate' those blank custom opac blocks, is to paste this into the syspref...
04:51 mtj          <div style="display: none;">DONT DELETE ME!!</div>
04:52 mtj          … that makes the div block appear on the page, and my jquery can then do whatever it wants with it
05:21 Oak          kia ora #koh
05:21 Oak          a
05:25 cait         hi Oak :)
05:25 Oak          hello cait :) how are you?
05:26 cait         tired :)
05:26 cait         just got up
05:26 cait         how are you?
05:29 Oak          when did you went to sleep last night?
05:29 Oak          i'm okay.
05:29 Oak          4am?
05:29 cait         here? no :)
05:29 cait         6:27am
05:30 cait         early :)
05:30 Oak          yup :)
05:30 cait         brb
05:40 * dcook      waves to cait
05:46 * cait       waves back
05:46 dcook        Long time no chat! Thanks again for that email you sent a while ago about ICU indexing
05:49 cait         oh no problem
05:51 dcook        How's the study/work coming along?
05:58 WaylonR      hiya all. whats the best way to set the necessary sessionid cookie, then do a redirect (302 or something) so as to set a new subdomain/virtualhost?
06:03 WaylonR      my $cookie = $cgi->cookie(-name => 'test', -value => '1');
06:03 WaylonR      print $cgi->redirect(-uri => 'http://www.perlmonks.org/', -cookie => $
06:03 WaylonR      +cookie); will do?
06:04 cait         no idea
06:04 cait         sorry :)
06:42 mtj          WaylonR, that looks like it should work...
06:55 cait         it's snowing
06:55 cait         @wunder Konstanz
06:55 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1°C (7:50 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
06:55 cait         brr.
06:55 mtj          hi cait :)
06:56 mtj          WaylonR, fyi: i cant think of a better way :)
06:56 cait         hi mtj :)
07:01 mtj          cait, woah, its snowing over there?! :/
07:02 cait         it's winter here, you know :)
07:02 cait         it's only a bit annoying... because I walk to work everyday
07:08 reiveune     hello
07:10 Oak          hello reiveune
07:11 cait         hi reiveune :)
07:14 reiveune     hi Oak, cait :)
07:35 alex_a       bonjour
07:38 cait         hm good morning magnuse?
07:38 magnuse      guten morgen cait
07:38 magnuse      ...and #koha
07:38 cait         and bbl #koha :)
07:45 jajm         hello #koha
07:45 jajm         hi magnuse and cait
07:49 magnuse      hiya jajm
07:58 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @KohaAloha: "@27point7 Koha 3.12.0 will be the first Koha released with the GPL3+ license http://t.co/ZlUF5z3i http://t.co/Y2tDuXZd #KohaILS"
08:01 magnuse      w00t!
08:01 Oak          magnuse
08:02 magnuse      Oak
08:02 magnuse      :-)
08:02 Oak          :)
08:02 Oak          @wunder islamabad
08:02 huginn       Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 14.0°C (12:00 PM PKT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
08:03 magnuse      @wunder boo
08:03 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Falling).
08:03 magnuse      your sounds nice Oak ;-)
08:08 Oak          yes it is :)
08:17 WaylonR      @wunder Palmerston North
08:17 huginn       WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
08:18 WaylonR      @wunder Palm
08:18 huginn       WaylonR: The current temperature in Harlem, Barto, Pennsylvania is -6.9°C (3:07 AM EST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
08:18 WaylonR      @wunder help
08:18 huginn       WaylonR: The current temperature in rural, Whitewater, Missouri is 0.9°C (2:16 AM CST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
08:18 WaylonR      @wunder
08:18 huginn       WaylonR: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
08:19 WaylonR      @wunder Palmerston North, New Zealand
08:19 huginn       WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
08:19 WaylonR      @wunder Palmerston North, NZ
08:19 huginn       WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
08:22 francharb    good morning "koha
08:26 magnuse      WaylonR: looks like huginn doesn't know palmerston north... :-(
08:27 magnuse      @wunder levin, new zealand
08:27 kf           good morning #koha
08:27 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 20.9°C (9:25 PM NZDT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:27 kf           @wunder Konstanz
08:27 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.6°C (9:25 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:27 kf           magnuse: planning a trip? :)
08:30 magnuse      nah, i wish...
08:30 magnuse      just trying to find somewhere close to palmerston north
08:45 WaylonR      @wunder palm, New zealand
08:45 huginn       WaylonR: The current temperature in Harlem, Barto, Pennsylvania is -7.1°C (3:37 AM EST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
09:01 mtj          WaylonR, whanganui or levin are your best option, i think
10:06 WaylonR      @wunder bulls, new zealand
10:06 huginn       WaylonR: The current temperature in Bulls, Bulls, New Zealand is 21.6°C (11:03 PM NZDT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Thunderstorm. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999 hPa (Rising).
10:28 mtj          … or bulls :p
12:30 kf           gmcharlt: around?
12:41 magnuse      kf: too early?
12:41 jcamins_away Much.
12:41 kf           probably
12:41 jcamins_away It's 4:40 out here on the West Coast.
12:42 kf           why are you awake???
12:43 jcamins_away We're leaving for the airport in an hour.
12:45 kf           jcamins_away: back to normal timezones
12:45 kf           excellent ;)
12:45 jcamins_away Yup.
12:48 jcamins_away drojf: please answer my question on bug 9201.
12:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9201 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Passed QA , OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
12:52 drojf        jcamins_away: oops, i thought i had done that already. lousy brain not connecting to bugzilla and posting what i thought about
12:52 jcamins_away Tsk tsk. When you get that fixed, let me know how you did it.
12:53 drojf        i will if i remember :D
12:55 drojf        can i get git to list the branches together with the date of the last commit?
12:55 jcamins_away Hm.
12:55 jcamins_away I don't know how.
12:56 jcamins_away git for-each-ref --sort=-committerdate refs/heads/
12:56 jcamins_away http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5188320/how-can-i-get-a-list-of-git-branches-ordered-by-most-recent-commit
12:58 drojf        git for-each-ref --sort=-committerdate refs/heads/ --format='%(refname:short) %(committerdate:short) %(authorname)'
12:59 drojf        the answer at the end is what does it for me
12:59 drojf        thanks
12:59 jcamins_away Yay!
12:59 kf           drojf++ jcamins++ :)
13:12 drojf        jcamins_away: done
13:14 jcamins_away Thanks.
13:14 oleonard     Hi #koha
13:14 jcamins_away Does that actually depend on bug 8906?
13:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Improve OAI management interface
13:14 jcamins_away Good morning.
13:14 drojf        jcamins_away: the functionality does not. i only did not change the text that explains that 0 in any field deletes it
13:15 drojf        i think that was all
13:15 jcamins_away Ah.
13:15 jcamins_away In that case, I will push it without 8906.
13:15 drojf        cool
13:16 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8733' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=042d57decacdbe036493620fe16ad784331ded0d> / Bug 8733: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb8c95d96844853ab94cdd5d27cef76bf49c7610> / Bug 8733: Follow-up The isbn sent to idream contains dash <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=915ff938a1
13:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #1034 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:23 tcohen       good morning #koha
13:27 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9201' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=afe27a94ad728c54f1067829e05c741f68d7e4c5> / Bug 9201 OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a972742b2664daf93f932a612431bb34d2564e1e>
13:41 oleonard     So what's up everybody? Monday! Woo-hoo! Yeah!
13:43 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @sxnol: "Verimli bir gün, #koha iyi gidiyor, Kültür ve Turizm Bakanlığı'nın #kohails göçü projesi çok yakında tamamlanacak."
13:44 kf           oleonard: so enthuasiastic about monday?
13:45 oleonard     Sure, why not.
13:46 drojf        yay, i managed to use localstorage with javascript \o/
13:46 drojf        this monday could be worse ;)
13:48 oleonard     that's cool drojf, what for?
13:50 drojf        oleonard: an app for firefox os. not really koha-related. i have not done much with javascript so far
13:51 drojf        i thought i could ignore it and it would go away some day but i guess it doesn't
13:51 kf           heh
13:51 oleonard     Javascript is getting more respectable all the time :)
13:52 drojf        do we have the ultimate js/jquery date picker in koha?
13:53 oleonard     The ultimate? We have the jQueryUI version anyway.
13:59 drojf        that looks conveniently easy to use. sold :)
14:00 drojf        there is a zebra datepicker jquery plugin. scary name
14:05 oleonard     Oh, datepicker doesn't work? Better re-build the index. You probably had an invalid leap year day in 1976.
14:06 drojf        lol
14:08 oleonard     http://xkcd.com/1168/
14:08 * magnuse    has seen the sun - this monday coule be A LOT worse
14:10 * chris_n    contemplates what the gid might be for a linux group named 'FOOnone' where 'FOO' is the hostname
14:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1034: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1034/
14:27 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 9503 Correct name of parameter passed to parcel.pl
14:27 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 9503: Followup remove unused parameters passed to parcel.pl
14:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733: Add IDreamBooks.com enhanced content
14:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733 follow-up: restore isbn class in details page
14:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9503 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Link from histsearch via invoicenumber results in error
14:27 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8733: Follow-up The isbn sent to idream contains dash
14:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733: Increment version number
14:27 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 9201 OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
14:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8733 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Adding critic reviews to book pages
14:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9201 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0
14:45 drojf        s/conveniently easy to use/like i have to use a gazillion files even for just one function and in the end it only shows a loading symbol/
15:27 kf           *muahaha*
15:27 kf           you can kill the koha index with a 020$9 subfields that has hyphens in explicit positions
15:27 oleonard     Sounds like a nifty feature
15:27 tcohen       you evil
15:29 kf           )
15:29 kf           :)
15:30 kf           that was pretty hard to achieve.
15:30 drojf        congratulations
15:31 kf           drojf: installation party hit inetbib? :)
15:33 magnuse      kf++
15:34 kf           drojf: and maybe interesting for you - if you use fields in your marc that are not in the frameworks, koha will delete them upon saving the record in koha...
15:36 drojf        kf: that's what i expected it to do
15:39 oleonard     kf: I have attached a revised and squashed patch to Bug 8913. Sorry for the long delay.
15:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Improve acquisitions navigation
15:40 * oleonard   would really like to get that in before converting acquisitions menus to Bootstrap
15:41 kf           oleonard: cool :)
15:41 kf           oleonard: yes, that would be useful
16:18 reiveune     bye
17:17 ryansipes    Hello Koha community!
17:18 oleonard     Hi ryansipes
17:19 ryansipes    I thought I'd jump on here and introduce myself as I hope to be quite active in the community
17:20 ryansipes    My name is obviously Ryan Sipes and I am the new Systems Administrator at Northeast Kansas Library System.  We are the ones hosting the koha-community.org website.
17:20 oleonard     ryansipes: So you're their new wizzyrea? :)
17:21 ryansipes    oleonard: Well I'm certainly trying.
17:22 oleonard     ryansipes: I'm with the Athens County Public Library system in Ohio, but I grew up in Lawrence.
17:23 libsysguy    I'm with ByWater Solutions in Texas :)
17:24 libsysguy    hi ryansipes
17:24 ryansipes    Hey libsysguy.
17:24 * cait       waves
17:24 cait         hi libsysguy and ryansipes
17:24 libsysguy    welcome to Koha
17:25 libsysguy    heya cait
17:25 ryansipes    Thank you.
17:25 libsysguy    so what are you hoping to do in Koha?
17:25 * libsysguy  loves to pry
17:25 cait         oh what did I imss? :P
17:26 libsysguy    ryansipes: is the new wizzyrea for nekls
17:26 cait         oh
17:27 ryansipes    I would like to contribute in any way possible really.  I've only been @nekls for a couple of weeks, but I'm very interested in keeping strong ties with Koha
17:27 cait         well welcome to the community :)
17:27 cait         we always need help testing stuff for example
17:27 cait         sign offs and insights from libraries are very important :)
17:27 libsysguy    watchout ryansipes cait is the QAM and she is secretly recruiting you
17:28 cait         sssh
17:28 cait         :)
17:28 * libsysguy  got pulled in to the QA circle
17:28 libsysguy    the wheels on QAA go round and round, round and round, round and round
17:29 cait         neverending...
17:29 cait         but tonight I first have to finish an assignment for my distance study :(
17:29 cait         and I already put 1.5 hours into it this morning
17:29 ryansipes    Haha, well any way that I can contribute.  If I were to do some testing where would I log the information.  The project uses bugzilla, yes?
17:29 cait         *sigh*
17:29 cait         yep
17:29 cait         bugzilla is quite important
17:30 oleonard     bugzilla?
17:30 oleonard     bugs?
17:30 oleonard     Hmf.
17:30 cait         hm
17:30 cait         it used to work
17:30 cait         wahanui?
17:30 drojf        where is that lazy bot?
17:30 libsysguy    bugs.koha-ils.com
17:30 cait         we are missing a bot
17:30 oleonard     Well that would explain it
17:30 libsysguy    the real one is bugs.koha-community.org
17:30 oleonard     libsysguy: :P
17:31 libsysguy    I'm trying to beg my way out of BZ and into Jira :p
17:31 cait         ryansipes: there are also various mailing lists, but every new feature or bug has a life cycle in bugzilla :)
17:31 cait         so that's really a central place
17:31 slef         Jira grrrrrrrrrr
17:31 cait         libsysguy: now you did it... woke up slef
17:31 ryansipes    cait, What's the link for mailing list?
17:31 cait         angry slef
17:31 libsysguy    whats wrong with Jira
17:31 libsysguy    uh oh
17:31 slef         libsysguy: Atlassian, at its root.
17:32 libsysguy    you mean how they take OSS and sell it :p
17:32 libsysguy    after they put a pretty face on it
17:32 cait         normally our bot would serve you the link... now I have to go looking
17:32 slef         I mean how they take OSS and use it to sell proprietary stuff.
17:32 * oleonard   is lost
17:32 cait         http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
17:32 cait         here you go
17:32 cait         oleonard: oh no!
17:32 slef         libsysguy: that would be excusable if it was less seriously buggy.
17:33 libsysguy    Jira is a really polished version of a bugs/gerrit hybrid
17:33 drojf        the labyrinth of #koha
17:33 ryansipes    cait: Thank you.
17:33 drojf        the #koha triangle
17:33 cait         np :)
17:33 slef         libsysguy: really my worst ire is reserved for that half-assed wiki they sell alongside Jira.
17:33 cait         drojf: you get lost here an dhave to stay forever?
17:33 cait         I can live with that - good company :)
17:33 libsysguy    heh
17:34 libsysguy    well I didn't set up a demo for confluence
17:34 cait         ryansipes: btw I am also kf and work for BSZ in Germany
17:34 libsysguy    but I did set up a demo for Jira, stash, and crucible
17:35 ryansipes    cait: Awesome, I subscribed to the mailing list so that's taken care of.
17:36 slef         hi ryansipes by the way
17:36 ryansipes    slef: Hello!
17:36 libsysguy    slef the thing I like about stash it the way it works like github
17:36 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "Les contributions de BibLibre en 2012 à #kohails, #drupal et #piwik, billet de blog : http://t.co/fFaxQc5p"
17:36 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "BibLibre 2012 contributions to #kohails, #drupal and #piwik blog post http://t.co/nOc9EyUE"
17:36 slef         libsysguy: not seen stash or crucible and sort of hope I don't need to ;)
17:37 libsysguy    heh
17:37 * libsysguy  is just branstorming ways to improve the workflow
17:37 slef         libsysguy: it just upsets me that there are companies like Atlassian around when good developers could sell more.
17:38 slef         libsysguy: who are the demos for?
17:38 libsysguy    one sec slef
17:38 libsysguy    call
17:39 * slef       goes take a quick look to see what stash and crucible are, but still hopes not to meet them.
17:40 slef         so jira isn't OSS anyway
17:41 oleonard     That seems like a pretty big deal-breaker
17:42 libsysguy    they give you the sauce?
17:42 libsysguy    I have it on that box
17:42 libsysguy    albeit I didn't build it
17:42 slef         "Atlassian products are not open source for the most part, but are sold under a license which permits customers to view and modify code so long as they do not redistribute or resell it" (wikipedia)
17:43 libsysguy    correct ^^
17:43 slef         cites http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9760614-16.html
17:43 libsysguy    but they do give the software away to open source projects
17:44 libsysguy    along with the source to modify
17:44 libsysguy    but you still have to have a license
17:44 slef         yeah, like a good drug dealer
17:44 slef         first hit on the bong is free
17:45 slef         get them hooked/locked-in, then sell it to them
17:45 slef         then take their distinctiveness/modifications and add them to your own
17:45 slef         and profit from them
17:45 slef         it's an inequitable model
17:46 slef         I actually prefer the proprietary-for-everyone models n some ways. At least you know where you stand. (Outside the walls.)
17:47 slef         bbl
17:47 libsysguy    well wither we use something atlassian or we use something completely foss idc
17:48 * oleonard   votes FOSS
17:48 libsysguy    I would just like to make patching koha easier, especially for new devs
17:48 slef         oh parting thought: Atlassian and Liblime have a lot of similarities - act like they're FOSS, but aren't really
17:48 cait         libsysguy: i don't think the tools are the problem
17:48 libsysguy    there is a severe disparity in developer education
17:49 cait         I think everyone can ask and will get help
17:49 slef         and yes, libsysguy, I agree... things could be made a bit easier, but Atlassian is not the way
17:49 cait         and we have some documentation... but that could be better probably
17:49 libsysguy    that is fine, its a community decision, I just want to get *a* ball rolling
17:49 slef         We already have the source on github, which is as poor as Atlassian, and it's not terribly popular.
17:50 slef         libsysguy: survey new/wannabe/maybe devs and find out what would help?
17:50 libsysguy    catalyst recently did that
17:50 slef         oh
17:50 slef         I missed that.
17:50 oleonard     libsysguy: Why no get the ball rolling by writing a message to the dev list talking about your concerns, identify what problems you think we have?
17:50 slef         Link?
17:50 libsysguy    catalyst the framwork
17:50 libsysguy    not the NZ do
17:50 libsysguy    co*
17:50 slef         bah, namespace collision
17:50 drojf        tl;dr but i vote FOSS for everything
17:51 slef         ok, is catalyst-the-framwork's survey FOSS?
17:51 slef         can we repeat it op op op oppa koha-style?
17:52 slef         bbl
17:52 libsysguy    I think they used google forms
17:57 oleonard     libsysguy: For the sake of understanding your goals, what problem does Jira solve for us
17:57 libsysguy    seamless integration
17:57 libsysguy    all the atlassian products integrate
17:58 libsysguy    it also solves a problem I have with the patch workflow
17:58 oleonard     Seamless integration among what parts?
17:59 libsysguy    I would like to have a bi-patching model.  For devs that would like to run their own branches, they can make pull request from stash.  when they want to submit that code, crucible indexes all the changes and makes the code under review from QA or RM
17:59 libsysguy    this removes the comments we have from BZ on "this doesn't work this way"
17:59 libsysguy    its all in-line
17:59 libsysguy    I think the real benefit for us would be crucible/fisheye
18:00 libsysguy    Jira just links those issues from stash and crucible
18:01 libsysguy    I wish I could show you a demo
18:01 libsysguy    I need to export BZ to get a viable one set up
18:01 libsysguy    I have the atlassian stuff set up, but no data yet
18:02 oleonard     libsysguy: I'm more interested in understanding the problems you think we need to solve than the features of this product. No FOSS is a genuine deal-breaker in this case.
18:02 cait         I think I agree with oleonard
18:03 libsysguy    well, I think the review process could use a little streamlining.  Personally I don't like the process of submitting a patch, I'd rather make a pull request so that everybody can see what is going on
18:03 cait         you can do pull requests now too
18:03 libsysguy    but you can't see what I'm working on
18:03 cait         and how can you see btter what's going on with a pull request?
18:03 cait         I think it would be quite hard to keep track of what everyone is working on
18:04 cait         and we have a pge on the wiki with repositories
18:04 cait         and other branches have been published on git.kc.org in the past
18:04 libsysguy    right, but this would centralize it
18:04 libsysguy    instead of gmcharlt having to make a separate repo for each dev to push to
18:05 libsysguy    *but* atlassian is not *FOSS*
18:05 libsysguy    its *OSS* that they give away to FOSS projects
18:06 libsysguy    with the exception of Jira, where they give you the binary that extracts with a JVM
18:06 cait         I think they have been talkng about setting up a working repo everyone can push to
18:06 cait         like evergreen does
18:06 cait         http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:git#working_repos
18:06 libsysguy    I'd really like to get a workflow similar to evergreen, but with the option for new devs to still submit patches
18:07 cait         hm
18:07 cait         why is the workflow of evergreen btter than ours?
18:08 libsysguy    visibility
18:08 libsysguy    a page on the wiki where all the repos are distributed is kind of a pita
18:22 slef         libsysguy: that's not OSS unless you reject the open source definition.  I don't like opensource.org but they're still the definition.
18:23 slef         and as for integration, I like trac but no idea if it solves this problem as it's not a situation I've used it in yet
18:23 libsysguy    holy moses, as someone who has used trac…never again
18:24 libsysguy    although I used it with svn
18:24 slef         yeah - where and when? It can be (mis)configured a lot and did improve around 0.12 or something
18:24 libsysguy    so that could have been half the problem
18:24 libsysguy    it has been a few years
18:25 libsysguy    when I worked for a Domain parking company
18:25 slef         maybe... around 0.12 was when the version control became a plugin, so you could use different ones and/or different ways
18:25 libsysguy    like all things, it can be misused
18:25 slef         there can be a temptation to go "oh trac can do that" and try to use it, whether or not it currently suits your work
18:25 slef         but hey, I like it and it's fairly easy to write plugins for... each to their own
18:26 slef         we still haven't quite kicked RT though ;)
18:26 libsysguy    heh
18:27 libsysguy    oh RT
18:40 rangi        Morning
18:41 cait         morning
18:41 Dyrcona      Speaking from the Evergreen experience: TRAC has some issues with git, particularly it seems to do a lot of excessive checkouts when someone is browsing a git repository.
18:43 slef         browsing or spidering? ;)
18:45 Dyrcona      slef: Probably the latter. I didn't run the servers, but heard of the troubles via IRC and when some web services went down.
18:47 jcamins_away cait: the benefit of the working repository is that it gives us a way to handle iterative development, where developer A writes a patch, developer B tests it, A rewrites it...
18:48 cait         I am not against that
18:48 cait         I think it's worth a try
18:48 cait         only we have people contributing on different levels :) and I am not sure a tool is the solution
18:48 jcamins_away Right now the result is horrors like bug 7167... fifty million comments, and all the important things somewhere in the middle.
18:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements
18:48 rangi        Like gerrit?
18:48 libsysguy    gerrit would be the foss alternative
18:48 cait         jcamins_away: I think things like that always get messy
18:49 csharp       slef: it was spidering in our case
18:49 csharp       in particular it was Bing
18:49 rangi        I ran into I'm too lazy to use gerrit
18:49 jcamins_away Ah-ha!
18:49 jcamins_away Now I understand.
18:49 jcamins_away Nope.
18:49 jcamins_away Wait...
18:49 rangi        When I tried to introduce it
18:49 jcamins_away cait: now I understand, and, no.
18:50 rangi        It's a people problem not a tool one
18:50 cait         jcamins_away: now you confused me :)
18:50 libsysguy    ^^ me too
18:50 jcamins_away cait: the problem should be easily fixable. The problem is in C4::Heading. It
18:50 cait         btw .. I left you a gazillion notes about the our indexing problem. um.
18:50 rangi        People need to spend more time up front with gerrit to save everyone else's time
18:51 cait         rangi: I tihnk it's often like that
18:51 cait         people complain to me about our ticket system
18:51 jcamins_away ... is being called on every field, when it should just be called on valid fields.
18:51 rangi        People have to value others time as much as their own
18:51 cait         because ys, it takes a little longer than writing an email
18:51 cait         but the benefit is that you have more information and all in one place in a form that you can work with
18:51 rangi        Same is true on the mailing list
18:51 rangi        Ask a question properly and save the responders time
18:52 * cait       nods
18:52 rangi        Wow I'm ranty today
18:52 cait         a bit :)
18:52 libsysguy    its a ranty kind of day for me too
18:52 libsysguy    or maybe just a complain-y one
18:52 libsysguy    I can't decide
18:53 jcamins_away cait: it would be easy to fix at... line 78 or so in Koha/Filter/MARC/EmbedSeeFromHeadings.pm.
18:53 cait         jcamins_away: that sounds awesome
18:53 cait         can I get back to you about that a little later?
18:53 jcamins_away I'll probably be back tomorrow or Wednesday.
18:53 cait         I am still on assignment number 7 and dishes... and my head is not in a place to have too many things going on right now
18:53 jcamins_away :)
18:54 cait         jcamins_away: oh?
18:54 jcamins_away Also, you Germans have the weirdest data!
18:54 cait         yeah... tell me
18:54 cait         although I think this one was at least kind of logical
18:54 jcamins_away I'm in Dallas waiting to board my next flight.
18:54 jcamins_away Kind of, yes.
18:54 Dyrcona      jcamins_away: Ever seen a MARC record in Georgian?
18:55 jcamins_away Dyrcona: I have, actually, but just one
18:55 libsysguy    oh hey we are in the same state jcamins
18:55 cait         Dyrcona: can't be worse than GND records for him :)
18:55 libsysguy    you can fly down to Houston and visit :p
18:55 jcamins_away libsysguy: yeah, but I'd rather get home before midnight. :P
18:55 cait         safe travels
18:55 jcamins_away Dyrcona: I've also seen a RUSMARC record or two.
18:57 jcamins_away Okay, we shoud be boarding momentarily.
18:57 jcamins_away Back from New York, eventually.
18:59 libsysguy    I think it is much colder there jcamins_away
19:01 cait         arg
19:01 cait         now I missed him
19:01 cait         jcamins_away: if you are still around... are you thinking aobut an exeption for 020 or a more general solution?
19:09 rangi        Ok my stop
19:09 rangi        Gotta go get my new passport
19:09 rangi        Bbiab
19:27 alohabot     Hi mib_yqq0o0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
19:27 oleonard     wahanui is a bot who is mad at us and is sulking at home.
19:28 cait         oleonard: sounds like him
19:28 cait         @later tell eythian please bring back wahanui?
19:28 huginn       cait: The operation succeeded.
19:31 drojf        javascript does not like me :(
19:31 cait         don't take it personal
19:33 slef         csharp, Dyrcona: yeah, Bing has started ignoring robot.txt recently.
19:33 cait         drojf: want to learn something about business process management instead?
19:34 drojf        cait: very tempting, but no. you can have it all
19:35 cait         you are so generous
19:35 drojf        :9
19:35 drojf        :)
19:35 cait         *grump*
19:40 drojf        great, now i broke it completely
19:43 oleonard     drojf: That's the motto on the JavaScript coat of arms
19:44 drojf        lol
19:45 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "#koha #kohails Dans quelques jours, je vous propose le service Biblio+ pour Koha! Ou comment enrichir l'OPAC..."
19:45 gcb          Is there anyone out there familiar with opac-search.pl and opac-detail.pl? I just loaded a number of records and searches are throwing errors in opac-error.log on both those scripts.
19:46 libsysguy    what is the error...
19:46 cait         gcb: errors or warns? :)
19:47 gcb          When I do a search through the opac itself, it returns results, but throws this error... [Mon Feb  4 11:29:17 2013] opac-detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value $ccode in exists at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-detail.pl line 532., referer: http://test2.walib.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=spies
19:50 rangi        back
19:51 libsysguy    that was not a long time for a passport
19:51 rangi        you can order them online here
19:51 libsysguy    I think that is a common error actually
19:51 rangi        gcb: thats a warn, you can safely ignore it
19:51 libsysguy    oh…well lucky you…I had to stand in a line…for HOURS...
19:51 gcb          BTW--I'm running 3.10.02.000 on Debian 64-bit...
19:52 rangi        gcb: we try and quiet all the warns but sometimes we miss them, that doesnt cause any adverse behaviour, just is noisy in the log
19:52 rangi        (if you don't have collection codes set)
19:54 rangi        libsysguy: here you can even upload the jpg yourself
19:54 libsysguy    wow
19:54 gcb          If I select one of the returned records, go to its display and then click on one of the subject heading links...it hangs on the search and craches the browser window. The error returned on that one is ...[Mon Feb  4 11:29:28 2013] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 825., r
19:54 libsysguy    I'm jealous
19:55 rangi        gcb: again, that is not an error, just a warn
19:55 cait         gcb: crashing the browser sounds more like a javasript issue
19:55 rangi        yeah
19:56 cait         probably unrelated to what you see in the log
19:56 gcb          full error ...[Mon Feb  4 11:29:28 2013] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 825., referer: http://test2.walib.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=14752&query_desc=kw,wrdl:%20spies
19:56 drojf        i blame javascript for everything
19:57 cait         hmmm
19:57 cait         it could be highlighting
19:57 gcb          So for the first error...ignore it or set the ccode on each record?
19:57 wizzyrea     yes, that was what I was thinking - highlighting
19:57 cait         gcb: the first one you should probably conplete your configuration
19:57 wizzyrea     that record comes up for me without hanging
19:58 rangi        gcb: its a warn, you can ignore it
19:58 cait         make sure for all the collection codes used there is an entry in authorized values CCODE
19:58 cait         wizzyrea: try clicking on a subject link - i can reproduce
19:58 wizzyrea     gcb: firefox or chrome?
19:58 cait         using firefoy
19:58 cait         firefox
19:58 wizzyrea     ah yep that did it
19:58 cait         I think it's highlighting messing up again
19:58 gcb          That is 952$8? None of the records have that subfield set
19:58 wizzyrea     oh wait
19:58 wizzyrea     it crashed then recovered.
19:58 gcb          I'm on chrome
19:59 wizzyrea     then crashed again lol.
19:59 wizzyrea     it has to be highlighting.
19:59 cait         the - and spaces
19:59 cait         maybe in the search terms
19:59 rangi        yeah, switch the highlighting off
19:59 rangi        you can do that in sysprefs right?
19:59 wizzyrea     yep
19:59 cait         i think so
19:59 * wizzyrea   wonders if it can be made to cope with those things
19:59 cait         I think it's probably the dot
19:59 cait         or something
19:59 rangi        gcb: for your nasty crash, switching off the highlighting is probably the best bet
20:00 cait         I had that happen with some not so clean search terms
20:00 cait         gcb: still there? :)
20:00 rangi        getting coffee, brb
20:00 oleonard     How does one reproduce this browser crash?
20:00 gcb          Still here
20:00 cait         oleonard: clicking on the spies subject in the link above does it for me
20:01 wizzyrea     or you can do a search
20:01 wizzyrea     su:"something - something else."
20:03 cgb          I think you were right about the highlighting. Turned it off and the search results seem to be coming up fine now.
20:03 wizzyrea     winning!
20:03 oleonard     Hooray! We made a feature that breaks things!
20:04 cgb          Thanks, all!
20:04 wizzyrea     yayee yay.
20:04 wizzyrea     but the question is - can it be fixed
20:04 wizzyrea     :)
20:05 cait         I think eythian fixed some things releated to highlighting crashing
20:05 cait         but not sure which version
20:05 cait         3.10.2... so probably a new problem
20:07 rangi        back
20:08 rangi        cait: he fixed a bug like this, it might not have been pushed to stable/master yet?
20:08 cait         hm I tihnk it was
20:08 cait         it was while he was here
20:08 cait         maybe it crept back in or it's another iteration
20:08 cait         or my memory is off :)
20:09 oleonard     There was one fix a while ago, and then recently another similar fix
20:09 rangi        yeah i recall that
20:09 rangi        the recent one
20:10 cait         it's the dot
20:10 cait         http://test2.walib.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=su:%22Women%20spies%20%20-%20%20Fiction.%22
20:10 cait         this works nicely for me
20:11 cait         http://test2.walib.net/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=su:%22Women%20spies%20%20-%20%20Fiction%22
20:11 cait         no dot at the end
20:11 cait         no crash.
20:14 wizzyrea     khall - about?
20:14 khall        yo
20:14 wizzyrea     yo - bug 5790
20:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent subscriptions and holds
20:15 wizzyrea     in the last 4 days there was a patch to how the variables in js are handled in that toolbar
20:15 wizzyrea     and it messes up your patch - makes a conflict
20:15 khall        dang it!
20:15 drojf        cait: they do both work for me?!
20:15 cait         hm
20:15 cait         werid.
20:16 wizzyrea     I know! rather than set it back to doesn't apply - wanna just fix it quicky like?
20:16 wizzyrea     if you have a minute
20:16 khall        wizzyrea: sure, if you can tell me what needs altered
20:17 wizzyrea     http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c80de7b69c013ca1db5795e626525757b8f944ce this commit is what is conflicting
20:22 khall        I'm on it!
20:26 khall        wizzyrea: new patch has been uploaded
20:27 wizzyrea     bless you kind sir
20:27 wizzyrea     \o/
20:27 khall        lol, no problemo!
20:27 * wizzyrea   tests it RIGHTNOW
20:28 * khall      crosses his fingers and holds his breath
20:29 wizzyrea     :) it'll be fine
20:30 wizzyrea     perfect :)
20:30 khall        excellent! wizzyrea++
20:30 wizzyrea     though I often wonder why you can actually click on them if they are grey
20:30 wizzyrea     but part of me likes the fact that it will tell you WHY
20:30 khall        that's it exactly
20:30 khall        if we didn't want the message we could just set the state to disabled instead of using css
20:31 khall        but I think the message is very useful
20:32 wizzyrea     no I like it
20:32 wizzyrea     and I said so :P
20:33 wizzyrea     khall++ thanks for fixing that
20:34 khall        np
20:40 rangi        heh that latest email exactly proves my point :)
20:46 drojf        :(
20:51 wizzyrea     omg khall - there is a PATCH for bug 2720
20:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned
20:51 * wizzyrea   is astounded by this
20:51 wizzyrea     and so. excited.
20:52 * wizzyrea   wonders who is sponsoring it
20:52 oleonard     We contributed.
20:53 cait         wizzyrea: it needs to be a pref
20:53 wizzyrea     I think NEKLS did too, but I've slept.
20:53 cait         I think our libraries don't want to undebar automatically
20:54 cait         hm, or they might
20:54 wizzyrea     well it looks like this undebars automatically for overdues only
20:54 cait         yes
20:54 cait         but I think that needs to be a pref
20:54 wizzyrea     which makes PERFECT sense.
20:54 cait         it's like the final measure for some that don't have fines
20:55 wizzyrea     right, but it undebars when the item is checked in
20:55 cait         self checks
20:55 cait         for example
20:55 cait         the patron wouldn't have to show up at the desk, which is what the library might want to do
20:55 cait         I mean... want the patron to do
20:55 wizzyrea     I'd make a note of your objections - SIP could cope with that differently and send them to the desk.
20:56 cait         sorry if I am being mean about this - it looks good and I like the idea to
20:56 cait         o
20:56 cait         I am just worried not every library wants it to work like that
20:57 slef         undebar - n. drinking venue where you do not wear top clothes.
20:57 drojf        :)
20:58 wizzyrea     wunderbar = wonderful.
20:58 wizzyrea     or something.
20:58 slef         Katastroph!
20:58 wizzyrea     hi slef :)
20:58 slef         Katastroph - noun, a variant of a cold caught by felines.
20:59 cait         are we all talking german now?
20:59 slef         cait: ja aber sicher
20:59 cait         Deutsche Abenstunde in #koha? :)
20:59 eythian      no.
20:59 slef         but go search for "Uxbridge English Dictionary" if you want more daft definitions. It's from the same source as Mornington Crescent.
20:59 slef         You know Mornington Crescent, right?
20:59 cait         eythian: Spassverderber
21:00 slef         eythian: hoe gaat het met je?
21:00 cait         eythian: wahanui? :)
21:00 slef         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent_%28game%29
21:00 drojf        vart minderen spart kinderen
21:01 eythian      slef: goed, bedankt
21:01 * slef       is now living near enough to receive Dutch radio again
21:01 eythian      drum roll, please.
21:02 drojf        slef: you have heard of this interweb thing where stuff goes round the world? :P
21:02 eythian      wahanui: welcome back
21:02 slef         wahanui: drum roll
21:02 wahanui      eythian: huh?
21:02 wahanui      slef: huh?
21:02 slef         wahanui: fail
21:02 wahanui      slef: what?
21:02 eythian      wahanui: welcome back is <reply>I hate jetlag.
21:02 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:02 slef         wahanui: wrong
21:02 wahanui      slef: what?
21:03 eythian      wahanui: welcome back is also <reply>cait abducted me.
21:03 wahanui      okay, eythian.
21:03 wizzyrea     wahanui: fail is <reply> but I do my best!
21:03 wahanui      OK, wizzyrea.
21:03 eythian      wahanui: welcome back is also <reply>I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
21:03 wahanui      okay, eythian.
21:03 eythian      wahanui: literal welcome back
21:03 wahanui      eythian: welcome back =is= <reply>I hate jetlag.|<reply>cait abducted me.|<reply>I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
21:04 wizzyrea     wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what you teach me.
21:04 wahanui      wizzyrea: no idea
21:04 wizzyrea     gr.
21:04 drojf        lol
21:04 cait         hmpf
21:04 eythian      wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what \you teach me.
21:04 wahanui      eythian: i don't know
21:04 eythian      wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what \you teach \me.
21:04 wahanui      i don't know, eythian
21:04 eythian      wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only \know what \you teach \me.
21:04 wahanui      eythian: i don't know
21:04 eythian      I wonder which word it is...
21:04 wizzyrea     I maybe?
21:04 eythian      wahanui: wrong is <reply>I only know what you teach me.
21:04 wahanui      eythian: wish i knew
21:05 eythian      no, I used 'I' above
21:05 wizzyrea     wrong is <reply> \I only know what \you teach \me.
21:05 wizzyrea     well that did something.
21:05 wizzyrea     wrong?
21:05 wahanui      I only know what you teach me.
21:05 wizzyrea     WINNING.
21:06 eythian      wahanui: winning is <reply>Thanks, Mr Sheen.
21:06 wahanui      eythian: bitte
21:06 wizzyrea     hahahaha
21:06 eythian      wahanui: winning is <reply>\Thanks, Mr Sheen.
21:06 wahanui      eythian: sure thing
21:06 eythian      grr
21:06 eythian      wahanui: winning is <reply>#, Mr Sheen.
21:06 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:06 eythian      wahanui: winning =~ s/#/Thanks/
21:06 wahanui      OK, eythian
21:06 eythian      there.
21:06 drojf        easy
21:06 wizzyrea     winning!
21:06 wahanui      Thanks, Mr Sheen.
21:06 wizzyrea     <3
21:10 wizzyrea     fail
21:10 wizzyrea     fail?
21:10 wahanui      but I do wizzyrea's best!
21:10 wizzyrea     oo
21:10 eythian      haha
21:10 wizzyrea     :)
21:10 wizzyrea     ...it's not very good.
21:10 wizzyrea     ...yet
21:11 wizzyrea     do you like my aspirational, irritating american, optimism?
21:11 wizzyrea     ^.^
21:11 eythian      I hear it's your dream.
21:11 wizzyrea     dream, indeed.
21:14 eythian      wahanui: zippy
21:14 wahanui      eythian: what?
21:14 eythian      @zippy
21:14 huginn       eythian: downloading the Perl source
21:14 eythian      wahanui: be zippy
21:14 wahanui      Actually, what I'd like is a little toy spaceship!!
21:15 wizzyrea     can he ask for a pony?
21:15 eythian      wahanui: be wizzyrea is <reply>do you like \my aspirational, irritating american, optimism#
21:15 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:15 wizzyrea     LOL
21:15 eythian      wahanui: be wizzyrea =~ s/#/?/
21:15 wahanui      OK, eythian
21:15 wizzyrea     be wizzyrea
21:15 wahanui      do you like my aspirational, irritating american, optimism?
21:16 eythian      wahanui: be zippy
21:16 wahanui      Sometime in 1993 NANCY SINATRA will lead a BLOODLESS COUP on GUAM!!
21:16 eythian      it's true.
21:16 eythian      wahanui: it's true is <reply>I read it on the internet!
21:16 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:17 eythian      wahanui: it's true is also<reply>I saw it on Digg!
21:17 wahanui      ...but it's true is <reply>I read it on the internet!...
21:17 eythian      wahanui: it's true is also <reply>I saw it on Digg!
21:17 wahanui      okay, eythian.
21:17 rangi        wizzyrea: http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/events/annuals/summer/details/teraowaitangi.html
21:18 rangi        weather permitting we will go there then to your place
21:18 wizzyrea     gah! they're gonna show boy!
21:18 rangi        in the evening
21:18 rangi        we could always all pile onto a bus after the bbq ;)
21:18 wizzyrea     :D
21:18 wizzyrea     true!
21:19 rangi        annoyingly the programme is a pdf
21:19 wizzyrea     they like doing that
21:19 rangi        but the movie doesnt start til 9
21:19 wizzyrea     oof that's pretty late
21:19 rangi        yeah with school the next day, we wont make it
21:19 wizzyrea     for a school day
21:20 wizzyrea     yea, for spud to
21:20 wizzyrea     too*
21:24 wizzyrea     be wizzyrea
21:24 wahanui      do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
21:24 eythian      http://youtu.be/jjOQac1vOEc <-- unrelated but neat
21:24 wizzyrea     sorry the grammar was bothering me.
21:24 wizzyrea     >.>
21:26 eythian      wahanui: awesome is <reply>That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, $who
21:26 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:27 wizzyrea     hehe
21:27 wizzyrea     if we actually had an awesome jar, we could fund a lot of patches.
21:32 * cjh        needs to find a new word to express awesomeness
21:32 drojf        wahanui botsnack awesome jar
21:32 wahanui      :)
21:32 eythian      heh: [  324] drojf is addressing me
21:32 eythian      [  325] random praise [public,1]: botsnack awesome jar
21:33 eythian      random praise indeed.
21:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #15 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
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21:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #15: STILL FAILING in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/15/
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21:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #277: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/277/
21:35 jenkins_koha nengard: update mobil opac section with images
21:36 wizzyrea     oh is that wahanui's log?
21:36 eythian      yeah
21:36 wizzyrea     haha
21:36 wizzyrea     oh boy all of our foibles are recorded.
21:36 wizzyrea     yayeeeee
21:37 eythian      -rw-rw-r-- 1 chrisc koha  74M Feb  4 21:34 wahanui.log
21:37 eythian      it's quite large
21:37 wizzyrea     we have many foibles.
21:37 eythian      wahanui: status
21:37 wahanui      Since Mon Feb  4 20:59:50 2013, there have been 15 modifications and 14 questions.  I have been awake for 35 minutes, 39 seconds this session, and currently reference 25689 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
21:37 drojf        I, spybot.
21:46 wizzyrea     cait - about?
21:47 cait         hm give me a few more minute
21:47 cait         s
21:47 cait         I have to finish this
21:47 wizzyrea     ah yep np
21:53 libsysguy    @later tell slef http://jira.koha-ils.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa
21:53 huginn       libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
21:54 cait         ok, here now :)
21:54 libsysguy    got the dishes all done cait?
21:54 cait         wizzyrea: ping
21:54 cait         libsysguy: ages ago. I was working on my distance study course
21:54 libsysguy    blech
21:54 cait         yeah
21:55 wizzyrea     well I was going to ask you about serials routing holds - we talked about this ages ago
21:55 wizzyrea     but if you're busy it can wait.
21:55 cait         more tired than busy
21:55 wizzyrea     ah yea, it's not worth taxing you over :)
21:55 cait         I think we were not sure how it should be handled
21:55 wizzyrea     well the way (as I understand it) it is supposed to work
21:56 cait         we argued between title level and item level hold somehowe
21:56 rangi        heh
21:56 cait         and then assumed it should be different
21:56 cait         logs? hehe
21:56 wizzyrea     is that each time you receive a serial, it is supposed to create holds for each serial
21:56 cait         for the issue
21:56 wizzyrea     right
21:56 wizzyrea     for each issue of a serial
21:56 cait         hm
21:56 cait         for the issue you received
21:56 wizzyrea     right
21:57 cait         for the people on the routing list in the order of the routing list
21:57 rangi        its the fact that biblioitem level holds were killed and when ppl killed them, they didnt update the routing list code
21:57 wizzyrea     yes, that is how I understand it.
21:57 cait         I am not sure how biblioitem level holds worked
21:57 rangi        basically that just needs to change to itemlevel holds, and it will be back the way the system was designed (and paid for) to work
21:57 wizzyrea     I just want to make sure that's how we should be expecting it to work
21:57 cait         I also wonder if you need item records for this to work... or if it could work without
21:57 rangi        you need item records
21:58 rangi        you cant circulate things that dont have item records
21:58 wizzyrea     yea it wouldn't work without items.
21:58 cait         btw I had a library suggesting to print temporary barcodes on the routing lists... I liked that idea
21:58 wizzyrea     oo
21:58 cait         ok, so you need items
21:59 cait         I think what would be nice is to make it able to turn it off and on - but we already have a pref for that globally
21:59 cait         I think
21:59 wizzyrea     yes
21:59 wizzyrea     there is a pref for that
21:59 cait         so if people do not star but ring routing they can do that
21:59 wizzyrea     you can either have it do holds or not
21:59 wizzyrea     already
21:59 cait         it would be even nicer if you could make it per subscription - but that would be def an enhancement
21:59 wizzyrea     the holds are broken though.
21:59 cait         and the holds should be item specific now I think?
21:59 cait         so they apply to only one issue
22:00 wizzyrea     right
22:00 wizzyrea     I was going to file a bug, but I didn't want to suggest that it should be a certain way if that's not the way it should be - and I think you have actually tried to use it? or did I misremember
22:00 cait         rangi: I think you told me how it worked differently in the past, but I forgot :(
22:01 cait         I have tested it - there is a bug - rangi left a comment on it yesterday I think
22:01 cait         if you look for routing you shoudl find some bugs even I think
22:01 wizzyrea     oh I missed the comment >.< sorry rangi
22:01 cait         one about the holds being broken
22:01 cait         it's an old report
22:01 wizzyrea     right in 27-something
22:01 cait         yeah
22:01 wizzyrea     bug 2894
22:01 cait         sorry, my brain is a bit...
22:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2894 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Routing list holds are broken
22:03 eythian      http://imgur.com/k9H6ORX
22:03 drojf        oh look, javascript and json use different time formats. wtf.
22:04 eythian      drojf: JSON is actually not a subset of javascript
22:04 eythian      they also support string encoding differently
22:05 cait         good night #koha :)
22:05 drojf        confusing it is
22:05 drojf        good night cait
22:06 cait         drojf: you should sleep sometime too, you know? ;)
22:06 drojf        but i want to playyyyy
22:06 cait         ...
23:03 libsysguy    resistance is not futile.  Its voltage divided by current
23:03 trea         ^^
23:03 trea         http://xkcd.com/643/
23:19 mtj          libsysguy++ -> http://koha-ils.com
23:22 mtj          jira looks to show some nice stats on the Koha codebase too -> http://koha-ils.com/users?sort=commits&d=asc&page=1
23:25 slef         :(
23:27 rangi        not correct stats tho
23:27 rangi        well partial stats
23:27 rangi        http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html
23:30 rangi        https://reviews.mahara.org/#/q/status:open,n,z  <-- i think i still like gerrit better
23:31 rangi        mostly cos its FOSS
23:31 cjh          I like how you can quickly view the status (nice colours and symbols on the right)
23:33 mtj          slef, why the long face?
23:33 mtj          gerrit looks freakin' awesome
23:35 slef         mtj: jira... not looked at gerrit yet... having some fun with disks at the moment
23:38 mtj          slef, ah yep  - thats a double frown
23:38 mtj          rangi, do you still have a gerrit running for koha, somewhere… ?
23:41 mtj          [off] ah, looks like its offline -> http://gerrit.workbuffer.org/
23:43 drojf        rangi: so what's the "more time upfront" people would have to spend with gerrit that they were to lazy for? isn't that info all coming from git?
23:52 mtj          drojf, i think the 'more time upfront', is if we use gerrit in our patch signoff/qa workflow
23:53 mtj          the other option might be to just run a 'passive' gerrit, that only watches the Koha git repo
23:54 mtj          … and is not used as part of our signoff/qa workflow