IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-31

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00:04 dcook gmcharlt++
00:04 dcook Worked like a charm. I'll have to post a patch once I redo my git config...
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00:33 wizzyrea khall, longshot, but are you about?
00:33 bag nope
00:33 bag gone about 3.5 hours ago
00:33 bag que pasa?
00:34 bag I currently wish I cold memorize the marc fields that are indexed by zebra
00:35 wizzyrea oh hi bag
00:35 bag oh hi wizzyrea
00:35 wizzyrea well I was looking at bug 9293
00:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9293 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , action_logs not tracking payments
00:35 wizzyrea and sho nuff, the actions are logged... but...
00:36 bag that's a small but - but a few periods
00:36 wizzyrea[…]/selection052.png
00:36 wizzyrea this output is not pretty.
00:36 wizzyrea and yes, you can see that something was done
00:36 wizzyrea and yes, other people have done it that way
00:37 wizzyrea but it should be nicer.
00:37 wizzyrea so I was going to suggest that he make it prettier :P
00:38 wizzyrea sorry, imageshack is not very helpful lots of clicking ew.
00:38 bag imageshack?
00:38 wizzyrea
00:38 wizzyrea try that one
00:38 bag oh you want pretty eh?
00:38 bag :P
00:38 bag heh
00:38 eythian bag: you see, people come here and they get used to nice scenery.
00:39 bag well reply to khall than I'm guessing :)
00:39 wizzyrea hehe yes
00:39 wizzyrea :)
00:39 bag I think A). it works B). that's pretty for Kansas :P
00:39 bag ha
00:39 bag sorry
00:39 wizzyrea pft.
00:39 cjh ooooohhhhhh
00:39 wizzyrea pretty only because I left.
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02:29 wajasu holy smokes. bug 8378
02:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
02:37 wizzyrea ...
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04:24 * libsysguy waives
04:25 * jcamins_away wonders what libsysguy is disavowing.
04:25 libsysguy my republican roots?
04:25 libsysguy jk
04:25 libsysguy but really
04:29 libsysguy so I know pazpar2 is *in* koha
04:29 libsysguy but not in a way I think it was supposed to be implemented
04:29 libsysguy is anybody familiar with pazpar2 as it pertains to Koha?
04:30 jcamins_away libsysguy: apparently it doesn't work, and what rangi did was a proof-of-concept of using PazPar2 properly.
04:31 libsysguy as middleware jcamins?
04:31 jcamins_away He did it as federated searching on the side.
04:32 libsysguy ah
04:32 libsysguy that is how it looks like it was set up now
04:32 libsysguy I'm thinking of using it as middleware to zebra/solr/other sru data sources
04:32 jcamins_away Yeah, except it doesn't work now. :P
04:32 jcamins_away Well, the good news is that it'd actually be really easy to do now.
04:32 jcamins_away Just write a QueryParser driver.
04:33 libsysguy didn't you do that ;)
04:33 jcamins_away No, I just wrote a driver for PQF.
04:33 libsysguy ahh
04:33 jcamins_away AKA not a stupid syntax
04:34 libsysguy hmm
04:34 jcamins_away Alternatively, patch pazpar2 to support PQF.
04:35 * eythian writes Perl to write what is probably the ugliest single SQL query in Koha.
04:35 jcamins_away eythian: uh-oh.
04:35 eythian fortunately as you never see the query in full, no one will know it's terrible :)
04:36 cjh eythian: borrower history?
04:36 libsysguy what does pazpar2 use as its query parser now
04:36 eythian yeah
04:36 jcamins_away libsysguy: Pazpar2 has its own query parser.
04:36 jcamins_away Presumably similar to the one used by yaz.
04:36 libsysguy that is what I was thinking
04:37 libsysguy CCL?
04:37 wahanui CCL is not a standard... It needs configuration
04:37 jcamins_away Oh, yeah, the syntax is CCL.
04:37 jcamins_away And wahanui is absolutely right.
04:37 * jcamins_away is not a fan of CCL.
04:37 * libsysguy is reading the documentation
04:38 * libsysguy can now sleep
04:38 jcamins_away lol
04:38 jcamins_away Did I ever say it was interesting? *Nooo*.
04:38 libsysguy I figured that out quickly
04:39 libsysguy so CCL ~= SQL for non-standard things
04:39 jcamins_away I guess you could compare the two.
04:39 libsysguy wikipedia did
04:39 libsysguy so it has to be true
04:39 jcamins_away Except SQL is actually unambiguous if you're not stupid about table and column names.
04:40 jcamins_away Well, SQL is usually unambiguous.
04:40 jcamins_away It's actually possible to write a query that MySQL's query optimizer can't handle.
04:41 libsysguy so would there be a more appropriate middleware for aggregating data our there?
04:41 jcamins_away That's the best I can think of.
04:41 libsysguy i thought so :'(
04:42 jcamins_away Pazpar2 is pretty nice.
04:42 jcamins_away I have a question.
04:42 libsysguy shoot
04:42 jcamins_away Where on Wikipedia did you see the comparison?
04:42 libsysguy
04:42 libsysguy after the first citation
04:42 libsysguy CCL is patterned after the[…]ed_Query_Language (SQL)
04:42 jcamins_away Right...
04:43 jcamins_away I haven't the foggiest clue what that is.
04:43 jcamins_away Some sort of crazy "standard" invented by a guy named Cerner, probably.
04:43 jcamins_away[…]n%20Retrieval.pdf <-- CCL
04:43 libsysguy ah
04:44 jcamins_away Why yes, that is a scan of a book printed in 1992.
04:44 eythian guys, I haven't tested it yet, but I think I found an SQL injection in the opac. I might test it. Probably a false alarm.
04:44 libsysguy that would explain why its taking so long
04:44 jcamins_away eythian: color me... unsurprised. :(
04:44 libsysguy ^^
04:46 libsysguy I see in the pazpar doc there is pz:cclmap:xxx for mapping one thing to another
04:46 jcamins_away Yeah.
04:46 jcamins_away Basically pazpar2 will repeat the parsing that we do with QP.
04:46 libsysguy so…I'm confused
04:47 jcamins_away My favored solution would be to patch Pazpar2 to support PQF natively.
04:47 jcamins_away Why?
04:47 libsysguy and its probably just that I'm dumb
04:47 libsysguy but what is the difference between CCL and PQF
04:47 jcamins_away pqf?
04:47 wahanui pqf is Prefix Query Format or at
04:47 jcamins_away PQF looks like this:
04:48 jcamins_away @and @attr 1=Author @attr 4=6 "Gaiman" @attr 1=Title "American Gods"
04:48 huginn jcamins_away: downloading the Perl source
04:48 jcamins_away CCL looks like this:
04:48 eythian oh, no. I missed the bit of sanitisation that was hidden there. False alarm.
04:48 jcamins_away au,kw:Gaiman and ti:"American Gods"
04:49 libsysguy ah so what shows up when we do a search now
04:49 libsysguy kw; wdl lasers
04:49 jcamins_away Right.
04:50 libsysguy so pqf is standard…ccl is BS?
04:50 jcamins_away CCL is "standard" as well.
04:50 jcamins_away The problem is that user-generated CCL is ambiguous, and requires a great deal of parsing somewhere other than in Koha.
04:50 jcamins_away *and CCL (all CCL) requires...
04:51 jcamins_away So CCL is a bad choice for communicating with the server because it requires special configuration for the parsing.
04:51 jcamins_away And CCL is a bad choice for user input because it requires that the user use a well-defined subset of CCL.
04:51 libsysguy i see
04:52 jcamins_away PQF has none of these problems.
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04:52 jcamins_away Well... it does if you want to send a query to a Solr server.
04:52 libsysguy heh
04:52 jcamins_away But that's why we don't send PQF to a Solr server.
04:52 jcamins_away 'Cause that'd be dumb.
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04:53 jcamins_away (though I guess you could use yaz-proxy if you're the type of person who likes to suffer)
04:53 * libsysguy prefers to pass the pain and suffering on
04:53 jcamins_away Right, so that's why we need a Solr driver for QueryParser.
04:54 libsysguy there is a liblucene-queryparser-perl :p
04:54 jcamins_away Your options for PazPar2 would be to either A) write a CCL driver, or B) make PazPar2 work with the existing PQF driver (which, by the way, is kickass).
04:54 jcamins_away Nothing to do with the QueryParser we use.
04:54 jcamins_away Sadly.
04:55 libsysguy sad day
04:55 libsysguy ah yes I see that now
04:55 libsysguy the package name is deceptive
04:56 libsysguy is pazpar2 open source
04:56 jcamins_away Yes.
04:56 libsysguy why is it not on github :p
04:56 jcamins_away
04:56 jcamins_away I can't remember where their code is.
04:57 jcamins_away I do remember that I generally give up and _then_ find it, though.
04:59 libsysguy
05:00 libsysguy wahanui pazpar2 repo is
05:00 wahanui OK, libsysguy.
05:00 libsysguy pazpar2 repo?
05:00 wahanui i guess pazpar2 repo is
05:00 jcamins_away No, that's a copy of their repo.
05:00 libsysguy soab
05:00 libsysguy wahanui forget pazpar2 repo
05:00 wahanui libsysguy: I forgot pazpar2 repo
05:01 jcamins_away
05:02 libsysguy well why didn't I try that
05:03 libsysguy I'm out of my league..its in C
05:05 libsysguy a *lot* of C
05:05 jcamins_away I grant that I bitch about it a lot, but their code is actually pretty good.
05:06 libsysguy it looks clean
05:06 jcamins_away Take a look in src/client.c.
05:06 libsysguy thats what I was just reading
05:06 libsysguy it looks like there is a lot of work in there for solr
05:07 jcamins_away In particular, client_parse_query.
05:08 jcamins_away Add a session setting to specify "this is in PQF," and, if it is, just stick the query right into the pqf buffer.
05:08 libsysguy so basically its already set up for it
05:09 libsysguy it just needs to be told what it is
05:09 libsysguy the pqf buffer being w_pqf?
05:09 jcamins_away Well, you need to do a bit of fiddling, I think, in order to make it actually work as I described.
05:10 jcamins_away Right.
05:10 libsysguy hmm
05:11 libsysguy well on that note
05:11 libsysguy I think i am off to bed
05:11 libsysguy thanks for the chat jcamins
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07:26 alex_a bonjour
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08:01 gaetan_B hello
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08:16 * magnuse waves
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08:20 drojf good morning #koha
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08:24 francharb good morning all
08:27 drojf hi francharb
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12:03 gerundio hi
12:04 gerundio have been working on a script to update 2 items columns I've mapped using the Koha to MARC mapping
12:07 gerundio since the script doesn't work for the items table
12:08 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "Code snippet to update mapped barcode and stocknumber on all items" (28 lines) at
12:08 gerundio does that code snippet look like a good way to accomplish that for those 2 fields alone?
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13:01 drojf you quiet, #koha
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13:06 drojf @later tell rangi i tried the svc report thingy, but the output does not really look like json to me. i got something like [[vallue1],[value2][value3]] instead of {param1:value1,param2:value2,param3:value3} which i was expecting. can i change the output format somewhere?
13:06 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
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13:23 oleonard Whew, that was close. Almost couldn't get in, "too full"
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13:27 oleonard slef: Good news?[…]-is-dead-at-last/
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14:03 gerundio oleonard, they must be kidding (again)
14:04 gerundio I was just mandated to implement the cookie law in all our faculty websites
14:05 slef oleonard: no.
14:06 slef triumph of lazy webmasters and abusive site-owners over public freedom
14:06 drojf gerundio: it does not hurt do be nice without a law requiring it
14:07 drojf s/do/to
14:07 oleonard slef: So you think the law would have benefited the public?
14:07 slef oleonard: it wasn't the best law they could have made, but yes, it would have been a net benefit.
14:08 gerundio slef, tell me where you stand regarding that "REASONING BEHIND THE LAW" chart on the page oleonard shared
14:08 gerundio and while you're at it, the "ORIGINS OF THE LAW" chart too :)
14:10 * oleonard was thinking this morning how Americans are opposed to the gov't knowing who owns guns but don't mind private companies knowing everything about them
14:11 drojf that "reasoning behind the law" does not make any sense
14:13 gerundio drojf, more often that not it does make sense
14:13 gerundio use google translate on this article:[…]-ate-400-por.html
14:14 gerundio it's about this new copyrights law they want to approve in Portugal
14:15 slef gerundio: I think "REASONING BEHIND THE LAW" misses the point in several ways - I doubt the law was originally meant to be just to tell people; I don't think people quickly stop needing help with privacy just because they know what cookies are; ...
14:15 drojf gerundio:  do you think that because people don't know about something it does not matter? if someone has to consent to cookies (and probably gets an explanation of what a cookie is&does), s/he will learn what a cookie is
14:15 gerundio based on some calculus, if you buy a €100 media center with a built-in 1 TB HD that new tax will cost you about €400
14:15 slef gerundio: there is some truth in "ORIGINS OF THE LAW" but it's also exaggerated.
14:16 gerundio slef, of course it is
14:16 drojf on a sidenote, unfortunately i think 95% of people on the net need help with internet privacy
14:16 drojf like, everybody who uses facebook or google
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14:16 gerundio drojf, or more... those god damn "Ok" buttons are so clicable
14:17 slef gerundio: I don't think making stuff up makes the anti-cookie chart more believable.
14:17 oleonard Right, even those of us who care about internet privacy need help because the odds are against us
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14:17 gerundio slef, didn't understand that "making stuff up" part
14:18 slef gerundio: "ORIGINS OF THE LAW". Most of the lawmakers are not 80somethings and probably could use a mouse.
14:18 slef that reminds me. I'm on friendica if anyone wants to connect - may also work with diaspora and statusNet
14:18 gerundio slef, that's just an overstatement to make a point
14:19 gerundio probably they are not 80 and most can use a mouse
14:19 slef gerundio: no, it's a lie to make themselves look clever.
14:19 gerundio the point still is that they were thrown a bunch of buzzwords about this topic
14:19 slef "Following the 2010 general election, the average age of British MPs was 50, with 20 per cent of MPs aged under 40, 61 per cent aged 40-59, and 19 per cent 60 or over (Smith Institute, 2010). This age profile is not at all surprising, given the nature of the occupation, and it is likely that the age profile of MPs is similar to that found in equivalent professions or even the voting-age population."
14:19 slef http://democracy-uk-2012.democ[…]ess-of-parliament
14:20 gerundio ;)
14:20 Dyrcona In the U.S. the lawmakers are handed the laws already written by the industries' representatives.
14:20 drojf "20 per cent of MPs aged under 40", wow. i doubt that is true for german bundestag
14:20 * oleonard wishes Dyrcona was exaggerating
14:21 drojf Dyrcona: in germany that is happening more often too
14:21 slef drojf: it was a change of administration, which often reduces the average age.
14:21 drojf we have a discussion about a funny law to make search engines pay for links to newspapers
14:21 Dyrcona drojf: yeah, I've read about that online.
14:23 drojf it's a present of the christian democratic party to the publisher axel springer verlag. it's so ridiculous
14:23 gerundio lolol, so basically search engines help people get to the news and have to pay for it?
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14:24 drojf gerundio: well, they say it's their intellectual property and want to be paid... i don't know, per hit or something
14:25 gerundio I'd love for Google to remove links for those publications for 1 month alone
14:25 drojf that has happened before, i think in belgium. google kicked out EVERY hit to those sites
14:25 gerundio internet users don't know site URLs anymore (at least non IT users)
14:26 drojf publishers were not happy with that :D
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14:27 slef gerundio:[…]10-28b.143.0#g175.5 for example. Not only buzzwords.
14:27 gerundio users heavily deppend on the integration between the browsers navigation bars and the search engines
14:27 slef educate them. Bring back bookmarking.
14:28 Dyrcona slef: I'm reminded of something Bruce Schneier once said, "Anyone who thinks the solution is to educate the end user has never met an actual end user."
14:29 slef Dyrcona: well, we should strip out the intrusion/integration too, but that's easier said than done with so many Google fanatics around :-/
14:29 Dyrcona slef: Agreed. I think it is about time for a real alternative to Google, et al.
14:29 slef Dyrcona: education is vital. Refusing to educate people means accepting controlling them.
14:30 slef Dyrcona: tried yacy?
14:30 Dyrcona slef: I didn't say I actually agreed with Bruce.... However, I do to some extent when it comes to software.
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14:30 Dyrcona I also don't think you can educate people who want to remain ignorant.
14:31 gerundio hail hail Dyrcona
14:31 Dyrcona lol
14:31 gerundio we deal with people like that everyday
14:31 * slef has trouble with yacy, just to reward him for mentioning it :-(
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14:31 gerundio I have a great example here regarding our migration to koha :D
14:31 slef this is very strange... I wonder if I'm being filtered
14:31 * slef reroutes traffic
14:31 Dyrcona I'll give yacy a try.
14:32 drojf slef: i remember trying to try yacy, but something did not work for me
14:32 Dyrcona gerundio: I deal with people like that everyday, and our migration to Evergreen is another textbook example. :)
14:32 slef might just be giving me dead peers :-/
14:32 gerundio I heard of one person that requested a "sick leave" just not to learn how to work with Koha :D
14:32 * drojf is proud to have started the discussion that lead to google not being the standard search engine in the tor browser bundle anymore :P
14:33 Dyrcona Wow! gerundio, you win....I've not heard of anything that bad 'round here.
14:33 slef drojf++
14:33 Dyrcona I should use tor.....Think I'll look it up again at lunch time.
14:34 gerundio Dyrcona, we get that a lot
14:34 * oleonard wishes he could just use services that worked well and not have to worry about harmful consequences
14:34 drojf gerundio: how do they plan to continue to work if they don't lean how koha works?
14:35 drojf s/lean/learn
14:35 gerundio an IT colleague of mine keeps doing stuff in Koha that should be done by our librarians, because, in his words, "they don't know how and they lack the hability to learn"
14:35 gerundio drojf, does that answer your question? :D
14:35 drojf that is not lack of ability but ignorance
14:35 Dyrcona gerundio; I usually find its a lack of desire or motivation more than a lack of ability. Most of the people I have these problems with are otherwise intelligent people.
14:36 drojf if there is somebody to do it for them, why learn it?
14:36 gerundio I don't know how it works on other countries
14:36 gerundio but this a public faculty
14:37 gerundio in Portugal public employees can't be dismissed (fired)
14:37 gerundio so basically they're untouchable
14:37 gerundio I managed our helpdesk team for 9 months
14:37 gerundio and lets just say they could refuse to do the job and there's nothing I could do about it
14:39 gerundio drojf, "lack of ability" was just my nice choice of words for ignorance, laziness or resignation
14:39 gerundio most of these people just think "do it or don't do it, I get my paycheck at the end of the month either way, so I rather don't do it"
14:40 gerundio me too
14:40 Dyrcona I'm always learning new things. It's how I fight boredom.
14:40 oleonard I would be profoundly bad at my job if I stopped learning new things
14:40 drojf oleonard: some people don't care :D
14:42 gerundio that sums it drojf
14:43 gerundio in Portugal that feeling of not caring about the obligations is a cultural thing
14:43 gerundio most people think they only have rights
14:44 gerundio oh well, we could talk for days about this :|
14:44 gerundio back to koha, earlier today I pasted this
14:44 drojf sounds like a relaxed country ;)
14:44 gerundio drojf, there are so many nice things going on for Portugal
14:44 drojf come on, why care about koha? just relax man :D
14:45 gerundio I think that the only bad thing is this culture that lives among the population
14:45 gerundio s/among/within/
14:47 gerundio does that code snippet look like a good way to update items barcode and stocknumber after being mapped?
14:48 * drojf is not qualified to answer that question
14:50 drojf does anybody know if there is a way to choose the output of the koha svc report feature? rangi said it would output json, it does not look like json to me though
14:52 drojf public reports that is
14:54 magnuse drojf: i don't think there is a way to choose output format
14:57 drojf then maybe i'm doing something wrong
14:57 magnuse drojf: what's the url for accessing a public report again?
14:59 drojf http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=2
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15:01 magnuse drojf: i'm seeing the same as you, i guess: [["Code","Lessig, Lawrence"],["The future of ideas","Lessig, Lawrence"],["Remix","Lessig, Lawrence"]]
15:01 drojf yes
15:02 drojf that is not really json, is it? or is there some kind of json-y has thing i don't understand?
15:02 magnuse hm, is it a list of lists?
15:03 magnuse where we would expect to se an array of hashes?
15:03 magnuse or something like that...
15:03 drojf i think i started doing anything with json like two weeks ago, so i'm really not familiar with it :D
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15:04 Dyrcona magnuse: That's an array of arrays in JSON.
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15:04 magnuse Dyrcona: that's what i suspected :-)
15:05 drojf ok. not what i expected but if that is how it is supposed to be then i can deal with it :)
15:05 Dyrcona Whether or not it's what you expect, I can't say. :)
15:05 drojf heh
15:05 magnuse it would have been more useful if it as an array of hashes, with column names as keys, perhaps
15:05 drojf magnuse: yes, i was expecting something like that
15:07 magnuse it comes from line 60 here:[…]4bee6;hb=HEAD#l60
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15:24 gerundio drojf, magnuse use to help figure out if it's JSON or not
15:24 gerundio in that case, that code is valid JSON
15:25 drojf magnuse: would changing that to fetchall_hashref do what i expect?
15:25 drojf don't have a koha to try atm
15:25 drojf gerundio: thanks!
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15:29 magnuse drojf: not sure
15:29 magnuse almost sounds too easy :-)
15:32 drojf magnuse: that's what i was thinking :D
15:32 * drojf heads home
15:32 drojf later
15:33 Dyrcona drojf: It probably .... dang!
15:33 nengard when sorting my publication date is it using the 008 in the marc record? or is it using the copyrightdatefield in the db? or both?
15:33 Dyrcona @later tell drojf It probably is that easy.
15:33 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
15:36 oleonard Dyrcona: That will be quite the non-sequitor when drojf returns :)
15:36 Dyrcona Oh well.
15:38 Dyrcona What JSON package do you use? I see a use JSON; in that code that magnuse shared earlier.
15:40 Dyrcona Neat! I like the way you handle installation of the Perl stuff.
15:41 Dyrcona gmcharlt better watch out. I'm getting ideas for Evergreen..... ;)
15:41 gmcharlt Dyrcona: why do you think we lured you over here in the first place? ;)
15:41 Dyrcona :)
15:43 oleonard gmcharlt: I thought it was to distract Dyrcona in preparation for some kind of elaborate office prank
15:44 gmcharlt oleonard: sadly, my arm doesn't reach from Seattle to Massachusetts :)
15:44 oleonard If it did I'd ask you to drop me off a bag of chips on the way
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16:30 gaetan_B oleonard: hi :) i'm looking at bug 2559, i'd say the problem doesn't exist anymore OR unimarc is more consistent than marc21 (since it uses the iso something codes for languages)
16:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ...
16:30 gaetan_B there is something wrong though
16:30 gaetan_B with the code for italian
16:31 gaetan_B which is the one for bahasa indonesia right now
16:36 libsysguy I just dropped the pack patch in on a clean box and fresh install and it worked straight out of the gate
16:36 libsysguy incase anybody wants to test and so too ;)
16:37 libsysguy oh crap jcamins is here
16:37 jcamins gaetan_B: that's because Italians secretly prefer to learn new languages.
16:37 oleonard jcamins is here! Everyone look busy!
16:37 * libsysguy takka takka takka
16:37 oleonard Patch! Test! Repeat!
16:37 * gaetan_B files a bug quickly
16:38 * libsysguy hears the whip cracking in the background
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16:38 jcamins libsysguy: BTW, "pack patch"?
16:38 libsysguy plack**
16:38 libsysguy its so cold here my fingers don't want to work
16:39 jcamins Ah.
16:39 jcamins Heh.
16:39 jcamins It's pretty nice out here in California. :P
16:39 libsysguy grr
16:39 libsysguy @wunder 77346
16:39 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in Eagle Springs, Humble, Texas is 15.1°C (10:37 AM CST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
16:40 oleonard 15C is "so cold?"
16:41 oleonard @wunder 45701
16:41 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -1.7°C (11:11 AM EST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
16:41 jcamins @wunder palm desert, ca
16:41 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Palm Desert Country Club, Palm Desert, California is 11.7°C (8:29 AM PST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
16:41 libsysguy well in Texas its generally warm
16:41 jcamins It's warmer where you are than where I am!
16:42 libsysguy heh
16:42 * libsysguy is more suited for 100 degrees
16:44 * oleonard will leave Texas to libsysguy
16:45 libsysguy heh
16:52 * jcamins too.
16:55 jcamins Okay, time to go get Shari some coffee.
17:01 nengard I think I can handle 100 degrees
17:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9265' into 3.12-master <[…]1eb927bfc961284c9> / Bug 9265 - Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client <[…]b136de0ce026e75fc> / Merge branch 'bug_9308' into 3.12-master <[…]a=commitdiff;h=a8
17:01 nengard better than 30 degrees
17:12 oleonard Bug 9265 Hooray! HTML5 is a go!
17:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
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17:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1029: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1029/
17:27 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 9497 - Make it easier to add new encodings for Z39.50 servers and add ISO 8859-1
17:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9174: Fix itemtype image display in OPAC lists
17:27 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9174 follow-up: Eliminate warning and fix POD
17:27 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript
17:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9497 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Make it easier to add to the the list of possible encodings for Z39.50 servers and add ISO 8859-1
17:27 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 1)
17:27 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 2)
17:27 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8108 [Follow-up, revised] Remove unused OPAC images
17:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9174 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Item type image does not display for biblio-level itemtypes in list display in OPAC
17:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8942 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Translation process breaks javascript in
17:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused images from the OPAC
17:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #1030 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1028 6 days 17 hr ago)
17:28 oleonard jenkins_koha accuses me of breaking master?
17:30 * oleonard lawyers up
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18:04 oleonard "Dear Abby: How do I tell my staff to stop writing 'KOHA' without sounding like an asshole? -- Annoyed in Athens County"
18:04 oleonard "Dear Annoyed: Keep your mouth shut and get back to work. -- Abby"
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18:25 libsysguy is there any doc on getting solr working?
18:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1030: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1030/
18:33 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 9494: update default LOC z39.50 target settings
18:33 jenkins_koha * liz: Bug 9382 - updating permission labels
18:33 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9382: Increment version number
18:33 jenkins_koha * liz: Bug 9268 - Scanning in barcode or ISBN in Acquisitions -> new order submits the form unexpectedly
18:33 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9483 - Use DataTables on batch patron modifications page
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9494 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Library of Congress Z39.50 target seed data outdated
18:33 jenkins_koha * ed.veal: Bug 9308 - logo-koha.png not transparent in ccsr theme
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access.
18:33 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 9265 - Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9268 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , Scanning in barcode or ISBN in Acquisitions -> new order submits the form unexpectedly
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9483 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on batch patron modifications page
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9308 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ed.veal, Pushed to Master , logo-koha.png not transparent in ccsr theme.
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
18:56 nengard libsysguy:[…]witch_to_Solr_RFC
18:56 nengard[…]ene_Documentation
18:56 nengard[…]_Queries_for_Koha
18:57 libsysguy nengard http://staff.discovery.bywater[…]/koha/
18:57 libsysguy koha:old_usual
18:58 libsysguy if you go to admin -> search engine configuration
18:58 libsysguy you get an error page
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19:13 jcamins_away Okay... what am I missing here?
19:13 oleonard Snow?
19:13 wahanui i guess Snow is thawing :)
19:13 jcamins_away t/db_dependent/Koha.t passes on my server.
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19:23 jcamins_away Maybe missing data.
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19:25 JoeLib001 Hello again everyone. ;-)
19:27 JoeLib001 I am still stuck on this whole issue with koha giving me &lt, &gt, etc. When I am importing the record into a Non-Koha system using Z39.50.
19:28 JoeLib001 In fact when I connect with the yaz-client to my localhost I get the same result. I just spent a couple hours creating a test server to see, if it holds true on a clean system.
19:28 JoeLib001 It does. I installed koha 3.10 from the pacakges.
19:29 JoeLib001 I'm backing up my test machine so I can kill koha without having to redo my test machine. ;-)
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19:31 trea o/
19:31 JoeLib001 Hello. :-)
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19:39 JoeLib001 Hmm..., just tried rebuilding the Zebra index without the -x option, but that didn't fix it.
19:40 libsysguy you should always use the -x option iirc
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19:40 JoeLib001 What's it do?
19:47 libsysguy rebuilds the indexes from marcxml
19:47 libsysguy which is better
19:52 wizzyrea in his case, he's got html entities in his xml, which is normal, but it looks like the output from zebra is including them untranslated.
19:53 jcamins Bug 8292.
19:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
19:53 wizzyrea so the thought  was that if he didn't index from the marcxml, those issues wouldn't come up
19:53 wizzyrea *nod*
19:53 wizzyrea what about it?
19:53 wizzyrea also, good morning :)
19:54 jcamins I'm contemplating why holds do not work at all for me.
19:55 wizzyrea because you do not have an all all all rule
19:55 wizzyrea and you probably do not have allow on shelf holds turned on
19:55 wizzyrea :)
19:55 wizzyrea (those being the two most common reasons why
19:55 wizzyrea )
19:57 wizzyrea also jcamins, re: bug 9382 - what were the capitalisation problems?
19:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access.
19:57 wizzyrea (were they in my patch or existent?)
19:57 jcamins wizzyrea: they were already there.
19:58 wizzyrea ohhh okies. I could clean those up too eh.
19:58 wizzyrea :)
19:58 jcamins It'd be nice. :)
19:58 wizzyrea also, my very first database update.
19:58 * wizzyrea sheds a tear
19:58 jcamins Nah, when I say holds do not work at all for me, I mean "wowie, that's extraordinary, no part of holds is functioning!"
19:58 jcamins I have holds in the database.
19:58 jcamins But I cannot trigger them.
19:59 wizzyrea independent branches?
19:59 jcamins Oh-ho!
19:59 jcamins I didn't think of checking that!
19:59 * wizzyrea is reaching the bottom of the barrel
19:59 jcamins Nope.
19:59 wizzyrea hmm.
19:59 wizzyrea is it internet connected?
19:59 jcamins I'm thinking I'll just clear out reserves and oldreserves and try again.
20:00 wizzyrea oh well
20:00 wizzyrea you should not ever try to do testing with old holds.
20:00 wizzyrea unless that's the problem you are trying to address.
20:00 * jcamins would just like his hold to trigger.
20:01 jcamins I don't feel that's so much to ask.
20:01 wizzyrea ha.
20:01 * wizzyrea states the obvious - you are using "check in" right :P
20:01 jcamins Yes.
20:01 jcamins I also tried checking it out to the person who had the hold, when it refused to trigger.
20:01 jcamins That didn't do anything.
20:02 wizzyrea hm that seems odd for sure
20:02 wizzyrea this is just master + that patch, right?
20:02 jcamins This is master with or without that patch.
20:02 jcamins Okay...
20:02 jcamins that was not an improvement.
20:02 JoeLib001 posted bug 9552
20:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9552 was not found.
20:03 JoeLib001 My bad, bug 9522. ;-)
20:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9522 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha returns &lt, &gt, etc in the record instead of <, >, etc when fulfilling a Z39.50 request
20:03 wizzyrea you are going to want to attach the marc record you used
20:03 jcamins It doesn't matter.
20:03 jcamins Any record results in the holds system going bonkers.
20:03 wizzyrea no no no
20:03 wizzyrea not you
20:04 wizzyrea JoeLib001 :)
20:04 wizzyrea that seems not good.
20:04 jcamins Oh.
20:04 jcamins Right.
20:04 jcamins Wait, wait! I know!
20:05 jcamins I had added rental charges!
20:05 wizzyrea ha.
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20:06 cait hi #koha
20:06 wizzyrea hi cait
20:06 oleonard Hi cait
20:06 cait hi wizzyrea and oleonard :)
20:06 * wizzyrea waves to oleonard
20:06 jcamins No, I was wrong.
20:06 jcamins Bother.
20:07 JoeLib001 Ok, will do.
20:07 wizzyrea you get a message when you try, or you dont?
20:07 wizzyrea jcamins
20:07 jcamins So... do holds work for anyone on master?
20:07 * wizzyrea will try it right now
20:07 jcamins wizzyrea: it just says "Not checked out"
20:08 wizzyrea that seems not good
20:08 jcamins We are in agreement.
20:08 jcamins But holds worked after I pushed Srdjan's latest patch because I tried them.
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20:09 wizzyrea mine seems to be working
20:09 jcamins That's good.
20:09 * wizzyrea tries another
20:09 slef how not to fire people[…]mv-160620231.html
20:09 jcamins Hey, does "Attention:" always show out on your checkout screen, even when there's no message?
20:10 slef "Staff at collapsed music and entertainment chain HMV used the company's official Twitter account to announce their own "mass execution" as administrators axed nearly 190 jobs."
20:10 wizzyrea item level holds jcamins?
20:10 wizzyrea yes
20:11 jcamins Bib-level.
20:11 wahanui somebody said bib-level was an example
20:11 jcamins I'll try item level too.
20:11 jcamins Good idea.
20:11 wizzyrea mine are working fine
20:11 wizzyrea also, koha is looking so nice these days.
20:12 * wizzyrea can't wait to get bootstrap on it properly, it will look really properly swank then.
20:12 jcamins ...
20:12 jcamins that's really weird.
20:12 wizzyrea oleonard++ for that work
20:12 oleonard Fresh patch awaiting testing wizzyrea! :)
20:12 wizzyrea :D
20:12 jcamins It just skipped my bib-level hold.
20:12 wizzyrea mine are all bib-level
20:12 jcamins The item level hold worked.
20:13 wizzyrea I like the icons that come with bootstrap
20:13 wizzyrea some we don't have but
20:13 wizzyrea like I didn't see one for "duplicate"
20:13 * oleonard made one
20:13 wizzyrea YOU WIN.
20:13 wizzyrea :D
20:13 cait oleonard++ :)
20:14 * cait spend all day on learning about business process management :(
20:14 oleonard That does not sound fun.
20:15 cait not really
20:15 cait distance study
20:15 cait but it's the last course in that area thankfully
20:15 jcamins Ummm...
20:15 wizzyrea jcamins: maybe try with a fresh DB?
20:15 jcamins I don't have an ignore button.
20:15 wizzyrea wait you made it work?
20:16 jcamins I have "Confirm" and "Print and confirm."
20:16 jcamins Apparently.
20:16 cait hm
20:16 cait what are you trying to do?
20:16 jcamins Test the problem described in bug 8292.
20:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
20:16 cait maybe a syspref is involved here?
20:16 wizzyrea
20:16 jcamins wizzyrea: it seems like possibly that user can no longer place holds.
20:16 wizzyrea this is what mine looks like
20:16 wizzyrea are they debarred?
20:17 wizzyrea over the fine limit?
20:17 cait jcamins: I tested with automaticitemreturn - not sure about my other settings :(
20:17 jcamins Not as far as I can see.
20:17 wizzyrea it's not the superlibrarian
20:17 jcamins It's not the database user.
20:17 jcamins It's a superlibrarian user.
20:17 cait and I placed my holds from staff
20:17 jcamins Yeah, I'm placing holds from staff as well.
20:18 cait what is the error message you get?
20:18 wizzyrea he doesn't get one
20:18 wizzyrea it just doesn't work
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20:18 jcamins For another user, I managed to get the following (taking screenshot).
20:19 jcamins
20:19 wizzyrea could it be that the rules for that particular branch state that the itemtype you are trying to issue is no-holds
20:19 jcamins Notice the lack of an ignore button.
20:19 jcamins Ooh. That could be.
20:19 wizzyrea oh, it's because the item is already waiting
20:19 wizzyrea you can't ignore it if it's already waiting
20:19 wizzyrea use a fresh hold ;)
20:19 jcamins But...
20:19 jcamins wtf is the point of bug 8292 then?
20:20 wizzyrea the first time
20:20 wizzyrea you check in an item
20:20 wizzyrea you can igonre it
20:20 jcamins Right.
20:20 wizzyrea once you have confirmed it once
20:20 jcamins But that's at the home library.
20:20 wizzyrea trying again you will get this message that it's already waiting
20:20 wizzyrea so what you do
20:21 wizzyrea is you place a hold for patron a on an item from library b
20:21 wizzyrea patron a belongs to library a
20:21 wizzyrea library b pulls the item, transfers it to library a
20:21 wizzyrea the first time you check in the item at library a
20:21 wizzyrea you have the choice to ignore it
20:21 wizzyrea if you confirm the first time
20:21 wizzyrea the second time you check it in you will not see an ignore button
20:21 wizzyrea because the item is already confirmed and waiting
20:22 jcamins I must be missing something.
20:22 wizzyrea is that what you did?
20:22 jcamins Why on earth would the first checkin be at library A?
20:22 wizzyrea the item started at library b
20:22 jcamins Right.
20:22 wizzyrea library b checks it in once to transfer it
20:22 wizzyrea nothing really happens to the hold at that point
20:22 wizzyrea except that it is marked "in transit"
20:22 wizzyrea once it is checked in at library A
20:22 jcamins That's not what just happened.
20:23 jcamins Wait... is this a "once you apply the patch, this is the way it works" thing?
20:23 wizzyrea yes
20:23 jcamins Because I'm trying to test the broken behavior.
20:23 wizzyrea no
20:23 wizzyrea the broken behavior is that the item gets stuck at library A if you have AIR on
20:23 jcamins Okay.
20:23 wizzyrea I think you need a fresh hold
20:23 cait ^^ what wizzyrea said :)
20:23 cait yep
20:23 jcamins That was a fresh hold.
20:23 cait I did a fresh one too
20:24 jcamins I'll try another.
20:24 wizzyrea and really put your mind in the space of 2 librarians
20:24 wizzyrea at different places
20:24 cait librarian from A places hold for patron at A for pickup at A on item from B
20:24 wizzyrea ^^^
20:24 jcamins Okay, so my book is at Fairfield.
20:24 cait Item from B gets pulled and morphs over to A
20:24 cait wher eit is checke din
20:25 cait with spaces at the right places... (bad typing)
20:25 jcamins Selfcheck has placed a hold to pick it up at Centerville.
20:25 wizzyrea you have to make sure to change your set branch too.
20:25 jcamins Now what do I do?
20:25 jcamins I think I am a librarian at Fairfield who pulls the book.
20:25 wizzyrea you check it in
20:25 jcamins I am holding the book.
20:25 * cait giggles
20:25 wizzyrea it should say "transfer to centerville for selfcheck"
20:25 wizzyrea confirm that
20:25 jcamins
20:26 jcamins It says "Confirm hold and transfer."
20:26 jcamins I click that button?
20:26 wizzyrea yep
20:26 jcamins I think I should.
20:26 wizzyrea now set your library to centerville
20:26 jcamins Now I go over to Centerville.
20:26 wizzyrea yep
20:26 jcamins And... do what?
20:26 wizzyrea and check it in
20:26 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought.
20:26 jcamins And we're back at my first screenshot.
20:27 jcamins There's no "Ignore" button.
20:27 wizzyrea !
20:27 wizzyrea hm.
20:27 wizzyrea I like your book title.
20:27 * cait confesses that she might have skipped the transfer step
20:27 wizzyrea (that's aside)
20:27 wizzyrea hm
20:27 jcamins Thank you.
20:27 jcamins I was testing line breaks in overdue notices.
20:27 wizzyrea put that one in discussion - let me check it, I will do it right now
20:28 jcamins Thanks.
20:28 cait wizzyrea++
20:28 wizzyrea because that does seem not-right
20:28 wizzyrea i am sad when I switch off of my bootstrap branch.
20:28 cait lol
20:28 * cait hands wizzyrea a cookie and goes back to bpm...
20:29 * wizzyrea is powered by Orbital today
20:29 cait Orbital?
20:29 wizzyrea the band
20:29 wahanui i guess the band is called 'the the' :)
20:29 cait oh
20:29 cait don't know that one :)
20:29 * cait is listening to milow
20:30 oleonard Ugh. Just got my first bug report regarding Koha in Firefox on Windows 8 :(
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20:30 wizzyrea ew
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20:30 cait ew
20:30 cait ok, someone push me out of #koha please
20:30 wizzyrea hi paul_p
20:31 * jcamins pushes cait.
20:31 * cait is not sure if jcamins is mean or helpful, or both
20:31 cait was kicked by wizzyrea: cait
20:31 wizzyrea lol
20:31 wizzyrea :)
20:31 drojf lol
20:31 jcamins lol
20:31 wizzyrea @later tell cait I love you sis :)
20:31 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:32 wizzyrea haha!
20:32 * wizzyrea thought for sure she'd come back
20:32 * wizzyrea hopes she laughed
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20:33 wizzyrea jcamins: at the very least we need to confirm what *should* happen in any circumstance when ignore is pushed
20:33 wizzyrea it may not be the same in all cases.
20:33 wizzyrea which is what I'm afraid of.
20:34 wizzyrea but I haven't tested it yet
20:35 wizzyrea (that patron statistics tab, that table is ugly.)
20:35 oleonard Agreed
20:36 wizzyrea also, that page doesn't have the toolbar on it
20:37 * wizzyrea makes a bug for those things.
20:39 wizzyrea HOLDS. must test holds.
20:39 * wizzyrea also notices that if you put NULL in the fields in the patron importer, the importer puts NULL in all of the fields.
20:40 wizzyrea logical I suppose, but one might assume that if the word NULL is in a cell, that it would be ignored.
20:40 wizzyrea i blame the user (me)
20:41 wizzyrea oleonard: I LOVE search to hold.
20:41 wizzyrea so. much.
20:41 oleonard :D
20:41 wizzyrea every time I use it, I'm grateful.
20:42 oleonard does members/ always show the same three columns,location itype and ccode?
20:43 wizzyrea that's a good question - I'm not sure, it's a new feature
20:43 oleonard my $fields = C4::Members::Statistics::get_fields();
20:44 oleonard Oh, there's a new preference
20:44 wizzyrea jcamins: I got the same result you did
20:44 oleonard StatisticsFields
20:44 wizzyrea there is no ignore at the receiving library
20:44 wizzyrea and it says the item is already waiting
20:44 wizzyrea which I think seems not right
20:44 * wizzyrea backs out of it and tries again without the patch.
20:44 jcamins Agreed.
20:45 jcamins The thing is, I'm not 100% sure it's ever done anything different.
20:45 wizzyrea I am quite sure it has.
20:45 oleonard Default value seems to be "location|itype|ccode" I wonder if I can add anything I want?
20:45 wizzyrea those messages are wicked complicated
20:45 wizzyrea because we expect koha to infer what it is supposed to be doing
20:45 wizzyrea but it can't always
20:46 wizzyrea I mean how do you codify "this item is in transit, but it could also fill a hold for someone here, and it also has a record to transfer it to library that is neither sending or receiving - what should I suggest you do?"
20:46 wizzyrea = multiple prompts
20:46 wizzyrea multiple prompts = confusing to humans
20:47 wizzyrea confusing to humans = fix it
20:47 wizzyrea fix it = making koha infer something that isn't always right
20:47 wizzyrea = confused humans, and confused koha
20:47 wizzyrea big mess
20:47 wizzyrea </rant>
20:50 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-)
20:51 jcamins I guess I'll try git bisect... do we have any idea when/if it worked?
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20:54 jcamins Well, it didn't work when we branched 3.10.
20:56 wizzyrea hm
20:57 jcamins Nice!
20:57 jcamins I just managed to check out the same book to myself twice.
20:57 jcamins Simultaneously.
20:57 jcamins Also, it was broken in 3.8.0.
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21:01 wizzyrea ermmm
21:01 wizzyrea wait, you actually had the same book issued to yourself twice?
21:01 wizzyrea not renewed?
21:02 jcamins Yes.
21:02 jcamins Two entries.
21:02 wizzyrea caching?
21:02 wahanui it has been said that caching is good. Caching using module variables is not.
21:02 jcamins Hmm...
21:02 wizzyrea theoretically, if you try to issue the same book to the same person twice
21:03 wizzyrea the second time it would renew
21:03 jcamins I didn't enter the barcode twice. I just got double entries.
21:03 jcamins Fun!
21:03 wizzyrea er
21:03 jcamins But that was with 3.10 not master.
21:03 * wizzyrea blinks
21:03 jcamins And not 3.10.whateverwe'reupto.
21:03 jcamins 3.10.0ish.
21:03 wizzyrea oh phes
21:03 wizzyrea phew.
21:05 eythian hi
21:05 wahanui salut, eythian
21:06 jcamins So I'm going to say that bug 8292 needs some more work, and let the circ experts figure it out.
21:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
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21:06 wizzyrea yea, I'm going to need an absolute test plan
21:06 wizzyrea what prefs set, what rules
21:07 wizzyrea oleonard++
21:13 * oleonard is in the git blackout zone again
21:16 jcamins Two patches left to test. bug 9192 and bug 8369.
21:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9192 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , field creation
21:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8369 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , default_branch_circ_rule and default_circ_rules tables useless
21:17 JoeLib001 Hmm...., am getting an error in zebra-output.log.
21:18 JoeLib001 I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/kohatest/__KOHA_CON​F_DIR__/zebradb/explain-biblios.xml"
21:24 eythian wahanui: meat is <reply>[…]ks/TheyMade.shtml
21:24 wahanui OK, eythian.
21:24 jcamins meat?
21:24 wahanui[…]ks/TheyMade.shtml
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21:26 oleonard A classic.
21:27 wizzyrea
21:27 eythian it really is, one of my favourite short stories
21:27 oleonard And suddenly the cloud passes and I can connect to git again.
21:28 eythian I assume you mean the cloud has returned :)
21:28 JoeLib001 I am thinking Satellite Internet. ;-)
21:29 oleonard eythian: If you ever catch me referring to the internet as "the cloud" please smack me upside the head
21:29 eythian deal :)
21:29 wizzyrea you know what would be cool. An edit link to edit the items on
21:29 wizzyrea and i mean, on each item.
21:29 * wizzyrea shoots for the moon
21:29 jcamins Didn't there used to be?
21:30 jcamins Oh, no, it's the barcode, which just goes to
21:31 wizzyrea yea
21:31 wizzyrea i mean, it would only show if you have "edititems"
21:31 eythian wahanui: meat is also <reply>
21:31 wahanui okay, eythian.
21:32 * oleonard cannot reproduce bug 9516
21:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9516 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Item Availability/Data missing from OPAC tag search
21:32 jcamins Time to go to a cooking demonstration at the local library. :)
21:32 oleonard Anyway.. See you later #koha
21:32 wizzyrea byee
21:32 eythian later
21:33 wizzyrea meat?
21:33 wahanui[…]ks/TheyMade.shtml
21:33 trea heh
21:35 eythian the video is delightfully surreal
21:41 JoeLib001 Is supposed to go somewhere?
21:42 eythian where does it come from?
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21:43 wizzyrea I suspect the zebra definitions
21:43 JoeLib001 I'm looking in the file /etc/koha/zebradb/explain-biblios.xml
21:43 eythian Oh, and it's in the header? In that case, no it's not a requirement that the actual DTD be there. It's just a namespace.
21:44 JoeLib001 It's in the line <explain xmlns="">
21:45 eythian yeah, just a namespace.
21:45 JoeLib001 Ok.
21:45 eythian It's nice if they put the DTD there, but not required.
21:46 JoeLib001 Yeah, the link probably should be to here: I think.
22:02 libsysguy does anybody know where the installdir is set when pulling from C4::Context?
22:05 libsysguy aww yeah bag check that out http://staff.discovery.bywater[…]e/solr/
22:06 bag nice
22:06 bag wrong window fool :P
22:06 bag afternoon #koha
22:06 libsysguy oops
22:06 libsysguy :D
22:06 libsysguy it happens
22:06 bag HA no worries - everyone knows we are testing Solr right now :D
22:07 libsysguy well, we have it *semi* working :)
22:07 libsysguy on wheezy
22:07 libsysguy cats out of the bag now :p
22:07 bag dogs rule!
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22:12 drojf last time i checked there was a lot missing in solr. like, all things authorities?
22:15 libsysguy that is correct
22:20 * wizzyrea curses a bit at holds.
22:47 drojf @later tell rangi nevermind, we figured it out
22:47 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
22:49 wizzyrea to remember the password for my 3.8 db.
22:49 wizzyrea gr.
22:49 drojf that's a short password
22:49 drojf and the wrong window
22:50 rambutan well, it does include a special character
22:50 wizzyrea :)
22:50 wizzyrea busted, now you're gonna hack me
22:50 wizzyrea <not really my password>
22:50 wizzyrea <that you know of>
22:50 * wizzyrea laughs evilly
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23:07 wizzyrea I think koha needs this for holds:[…]1rqbl96o1_500.jpg
23:14 drojf :D
23:15 wizzyrea seriously, it would make things so much easier.
23:15 wizzyrea ;)
23:15 drojf lol
23:18 wizzyrea because I have been thinking this morning "there are just sometimes when a user might legitimately put something in koha in a state where it would be impossible for any program to ascertain what the person's intention was"
23:18 wizzyrea I guess the challenge then becomes
23:19 wizzyrea how to display that information in a way that reduces the feeling of "OMG WHAT DO I DO" in the person using it.
23:19 wizzyrea "are you trying to send this to another library or confirm a hold for someone at your library?"
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23:22 rambutan That thing in your link doesn't work. I keep clicking on "OK" and nothing happens. Looks like a windows box, so maybe that's why.
23:27 wizzyrea that must be it ;)
23:33 JoeLib001 I've had it for today. ;-) Have a good one everyone. ;-)
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