Time  Nick           Message
23:33 JoeLib001      I've had it for today. ;-) Have a good one everyone. ;-)
23:27 wizzyrea       that must be it ;)
23:22 rambutan       That thing in your link doesn't work. I keep clicking on "OK" and nothing happens. Looks like a windows box, so maybe that's why.
23:19 wizzyrea       "are you trying to send this to another library or confirm a hold for someone at your library?"
23:19 wizzyrea       how to display that information in a way that reduces the feeling of "OMG WHAT DO I DO" in the person using it.
23:18 wizzyrea       I guess the challenge then becomes
23:18 wizzyrea       because I have been thinking this morning "there are just sometimes when a user might legitimately put something in koha in a state where it would be impossible for any program to ascertain what the person's intention was"
23:15 drojf          lol
23:15 wizzyrea       ;)
23:15 wizzyrea       seriously, it would make things so much easier.
23:14 drojf          :D
23:07 wizzyrea       I think koha needs this for holds: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6x7x24pYN1rqbl96o1_500.jpg
22:50 * wizzyrea     laughs evilly
22:50 wizzyrea       <that you know of>
22:50 wizzyrea       <not really my password>
22:50 wizzyrea       busted, now you're gonna hack me
22:50 wizzyrea       :)
22:50 rambutan       well, it does include a special character
22:49 drojf          and the wrong window
22:49 drojf          that's a short password
22:49 wizzyrea       gr.
22:49 wizzyrea       ...now to remember the password for my 3.8 db.
22:47 huginn         drojf: The operation succeeded.
22:47 drojf          @later tell rangi nevermind, we figured it out
22:45 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Koha Community Newsletter: January 2013 http://t.co/q7709pGH"
22:20 * wizzyrea     curses a bit at holds.
22:15 libsysguy      that is correct
22:12 drojf          last time i checked there was a lot missing in solr. like, all things authorities?
22:07 bag            dogs rule!
22:07 libsysguy      cats out of the bag now :p
22:07 libsysguy      on wheezy
22:07 libsysguy      well, we have it *semi* working :)
22:06 bag            HA no worries - everyone knows we are testing Solr right now :D
22:06 libsysguy      it happens
22:06 libsysguy      :D
22:06 libsysguy      oops
22:06 bag            afternoon #koha
22:06 bag            wrong window fool :P
22:06 bag            nice
22:05 libsysguy      aww yeah bag check that out http://staff.discovery.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/searchengine/solr/indexes.pl
22:02 libsysguy      does anybody know where the installdir is set when pulling from C4::Context?
21:46 JoeLib001      Yeah, the link probably should be to here: http://zeerex.z3950.org/dtd/zeerex-2.0.dtd I think.
21:45 eythian        It's nice if they put the DTD there, but not required.
21:45 JoeLib001      Ok.
21:45 eythian        yeah, just a namespace.
21:44 JoeLib001      It's in the line <explain xmlns="http://explain.z3950.org/dtd/2.0/">
21:43 eythian        Oh, and it's in the header? In that case, no it's not a requirement that the actual DTD be there. It's just a namespace.
21:43 JoeLib001      I'm looking in the file /etc/koha/zebradb/explain-biblios.xml
21:43 wizzyrea       I suspect the zebra definitions
21:42 eythian        where does it come from?
21:41 JoeLib001      Is http://explain.z3950.org/dtd/2.0/ supposed to go somewhere?
21:35 eythian        the video is delightfully surreal
21:33 trea           heh
21:33 wahanui        http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.shtml
21:33 wizzyrea       meat?
21:32 eythian        later
21:32 wizzyrea       byee
21:32 oleonard       Anyway.. See you later #koha
21:32 jcamins        Time to go to a cooking demonstration at the local library. :)
21:32 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9516 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Item Availability/Data missing from OPAC tag search
21:32 * oleonard     cannot reproduce bug 9516
21:31 wahanui        okay, eythian.
21:31 eythian        wahanui: meat is also <reply>http://youtu.be/gaFZTAOb7IE
21:31 wizzyrea       i mean, it would only show if you have "edititems"
21:31 wizzyrea       yea
21:30 jcamins        Oh, no, it's the barcode, which just goes to moredetail.pl.
21:29 jcamins        Didn't there used to be?
21:29 * wizzyrea     shoots for the moon
21:29 wizzyrea       and i mean, on each item.
21:29 wizzyrea       you know what would be cool. An edit link to edit the items on detail.pl
21:29 eythian        deal :)
21:29 oleonard       eythian: If you ever catch me referring to the internet as "the cloud" please smack me upside the head
21:28 JoeLib001      I am thinking Satellite Internet. ;-)
21:28 eythian        I assume you mean the cloud has returned :)
21:27 oleonard       And suddenly the cloud passes and I can connect to git again.
21:27 eythian        it really is, one of my favourite short stories
21:27 wizzyrea       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaFZTAOb7IE
21:26 oleonard       A classic.
21:24 wahanui        http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.shtml
21:24 jcamins        meat?
21:24 wahanui        OK, eythian.
21:24 eythian        wahanui: meat is <reply>http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.shtml
21:18 JoeLib001      I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/kohatest/__KOHA_CONF_DIR__/zebradb/explain-biblios.xml"
21:17 JoeLib001      Hmm...., am getting an error in zebra-output.log.
21:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , default_branch_circ_rule and default_circ_rules tables useless
21:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9192 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , UNIMARC_sync_date_created_with_marc_biblio.pl field creation
21:16 jcamins        Two patches left to test. bug 9192 and bug 8369.
21:13 * oleonard     is in the git blackout zone again
21:07 wizzyrea       oleonard++
21:06 wizzyrea       what prefs set, what rules
21:06 wizzyrea       yea, I'm going to need an absolute test plan
21:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
21:06 jcamins        So I'm going to say that bug 8292 needs some more work, and let the circ experts figure it out.
21:05 wahanui        salut, eythian
21:05 eythian        hi
21:03 wizzyrea       phew.
21:03 wizzyrea       oh phes
21:03 jcamins        3.10.0ish.
21:03 jcamins        And not 3.10.whateverwe'reupto.
21:03 * wizzyrea     blinks
21:03 jcamins        But that was with 3.10 not master.
21:03 wizzyrea       er
21:03 jcamins        Fun!
21:03 jcamins        I didn't enter the barcode twice. I just got double entries.
21:03 wizzyrea       the second time it would renew
21:02 wizzyrea       theoretically, if you try to issue the same book to the same person twice
21:02 jcamins        Hmm...
21:02 wahanui        it has been said that caching is good. Caching using module variables is not.
21:02 wizzyrea       caching?
21:02 jcamins        Two entries.
21:02 jcamins        Yes.
21:01 wizzyrea       not renewed?
21:01 wizzyrea       wait, you actually had the same book issued to yourself twice?
21:01 wizzyrea       ermmm
20:57 jcamins        Also, it was broken in 3.8.0.
20:57 jcamins        Simultaneously.
20:57 jcamins        I just managed to check out the same book to myself twice.
20:57 jcamins        Nice!
20:56 wizzyrea       hm
20:54 jcamins        Well, it didn't work when we branched 3.10.
20:51 jcamins        I guess I'll try git bisect... do we have any idea when/if it worked?
20:50 JoeLib001      Hehe. ;-)
20:47 wizzyrea       </rant>
20:47 wizzyrea       big mess
20:47 wizzyrea       = confused humans, and confused koha
20:47 wizzyrea       fix it = making koha infer something that isn't always right
20:47 wizzyrea       confusing to humans = fix it
20:46 wizzyrea       multiple prompts = confusing to humans
20:46 wizzyrea       = multiple prompts
20:46 wizzyrea       I mean how do you codify "this item is in transit, but it could also fill a hold for someone here, and it also has a record to transfer it to library that is neither sending or receiving - what should I suggest you do?"
20:45 wizzyrea       but it can't always
20:45 wizzyrea       because we expect koha to infer what it is supposed to be doing
20:45 wizzyrea       those messages are wicked complicated
20:45 oleonard       Default value seems to be "location|itype|ccode" I wonder if I can add anything I want?
20:45 wizzyrea       I am quite sure it has.
20:45 jcamins        The thing is, I'm not 100% sure it's ever done anything different.
20:44 jcamins        Agreed.
20:44 * wizzyrea     backs out of it and tries again without the patch.
20:44 wizzyrea       which I think seems not right
20:44 wizzyrea       and it says the item is already waiting
20:44 wizzyrea       there is no ignore at the receiving library
20:44 oleonard       StatisticsFields
20:44 wizzyrea       jcamins: I got the same result you did
20:44 oleonard       Oh, there's a new preference
20:43 oleonard       my $fields = C4::Members::Statistics::get_fields();
20:43 wizzyrea       that's a good question - I'm not sure, it's a new feature
20:42 oleonard       does members/statistics.pl always show the same three columns,location itype and ccode?
20:41 wizzyrea       every time I use it, I'm grateful.
20:41 oleonard       :D
20:41 wizzyrea       so. much.
20:41 wizzyrea       oleonard: I LOVE search to hold.
20:40 wizzyrea       i blame the user (me)
20:40 wizzyrea       logical I suppose, but one might assume that if the word NULL is in a cell, that it would be ignored.
20:39 * wizzyrea     also notices that if you put NULL in the fields in the patron importer, the importer puts NULL in all of the fields.
20:39 wizzyrea       HOLDS. must test holds.
20:37 * wizzyrea     makes a bug for those things.
20:36 wizzyrea       also, that page doesn't have the toolbar on it
20:35 oleonard       Agreed
20:35 wizzyrea       (that patron statistics tab, that table is ugly.)
20:34 wizzyrea       but I haven't tested it yet
20:33 wizzyrea       which is what I'm afraid of.
20:33 wizzyrea       it may not be the same in all cases.
20:33 wizzyrea       jcamins: at the very least we need to confirm what *should* happen in any circumstance when ignore is pushed
20:32 * wizzyrea     hopes she laughed
20:32 * wizzyrea     thought for sure she'd come back
20:32 wizzyrea       haha!
20:31 huginn         wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:31 wizzyrea       @later tell cait I love you sis :)
20:31 jcamins        lol
20:31 drojf          lol
20:31 wizzyrea       :)
20:31 wizzyrea       lol
20:31 * cait         is not sure if jcamins is mean or helpful, or both
20:31 * jcamins      pushes cait.
20:30 wizzyrea       hi paul_p
20:30 cait           ok, someone push me out of #koha please
20:30 cait           ew
20:30 wizzyrea       ew
20:30 oleonard       Ugh. Just got my first bug report regarding Koha in Firefox on Windows 8 :(
20:29 * cait         is listening to milow
20:29 cait           don't know that one :)
20:29 cait           oh
20:29 wahanui        i guess the band is called 'the the' :)
20:29 wizzyrea       the band
20:29 cait           Orbital?
20:29 * wizzyrea     is powered by Orbital today
20:28 * cait         hands wizzyrea a cookie and goes back to bpm...
20:28 cait           lol
20:28 wizzyrea       i am sad when I switch off of my bootstrap branch.
20:28 wizzyrea       because that does seem not-right
20:28 cait           wizzyrea++
20:28 jcamins        Thanks.
20:27 wizzyrea       put that one in discussion - let me check it, I will do it right now
20:27 jcamins        I was testing line breaks in overdue notices.
20:27 jcamins        Thank you.
20:27 wizzyrea       hm
20:27 wizzyrea       (that's aside)
20:27 * cait         confesses that she might have skipped the transfer step
20:27 wizzyrea       I like your book title.
20:27 wizzyrea       hm.
20:27 wizzyrea       !
20:27 jcamins        There's no "Ignore" button.
20:26 jcamins        And we're back at my first screenshot.
20:26 jcamins        Okay, that's what I thought.
20:26 wizzyrea       and check it in
20:26 jcamins        And... do what?
20:26 wizzyrea       yep
20:26 jcamins        Now I go over to Centerville.
20:26 wizzyrea       now set your library to centerville
20:26 jcamins        I think I should.
20:26 wizzyrea       yep
20:26 jcamins        I click that button?
20:26 jcamins        It says "Confirm hold and transfer."
20:25 jcamins        http://screencast.com/t/rQrp0dqGn7
20:25 wizzyrea       confirm that
20:25 wizzyrea       it should say "transfer to centerville for selfcheck"
20:25 * cait         giggles
20:25 jcamins        I am holding the book.
20:25 wizzyrea       you check it in
20:25 jcamins        I think I am a librarian at Fairfield who pulls the book.
20:25 jcamins        Now what do I do?
20:25 wizzyrea       you have to make sure to change your set branch too.
20:25 jcamins        Selfcheck has placed a hold to pick it up at Centerville.
20:25 cait           with spaces at the right places... (bad typing)
20:24 cait           wher eit is checke din
20:24 cait           Item from B gets pulled and morphs over to A
20:24 jcamins        Okay, so my book is at Fairfield.
20:24 wizzyrea       ^^^
20:24 cait           librarian from A places hold for patron at A for pickup at A on item from B
20:24 wizzyrea       at different places
20:24 wizzyrea       and really put your mind in the space of 2 librarians
20:24 jcamins        I'll try another.
20:23 cait           I did a fresh one too
20:23 jcamins        That was a fresh hold.
20:23 cait           yep
20:23 cait           ^^ what wizzyrea said :)
20:23 wizzyrea       I think you need a fresh hold
20:23 jcamins        Okay.
20:23 wizzyrea       the broken behavior is that the item gets stuck at library A if you have AIR on
20:23 wizzyrea       no
20:23 jcamins        Because I'm trying to test the broken behavior.
20:23 wizzyrea       yes
20:23 jcamins        Wait... is this a "once you apply the patch, this is the way it works" thing?
20:22 jcamins        That's not what just happened.
20:22 wizzyrea       once it is checked in at library A
20:22 wizzyrea       except that it is marked "in transit"
20:22 wizzyrea       nothing really happens to the hold at that point
20:22 wizzyrea       library b checks it in once to transfer it
20:22 jcamins        Right.
20:22 wizzyrea       the item started at library b
20:22 jcamins        Why on earth would the first checkin be at library A?
20:22 wizzyrea       is that what you did?
20:22 jcamins        I must be missing something.
20:21 wizzyrea       because the item is already confirmed and waiting
20:21 wizzyrea       the second time you check it in you will not see an ignore button
20:21 wizzyrea       if you confirm the first time
20:21 wizzyrea       you have the choice to ignore it
20:21 wizzyrea       the first time you check in the item at library a
20:21 wizzyrea       library b pulls the item, transfers it to library a
20:21 wizzyrea       patron a belongs to library a
20:21 wizzyrea       is you place a hold for patron a on an item from library b
20:20 wizzyrea       so what you do
20:20 wizzyrea       trying again you will get this message that it's already waiting
20:20 jcamins        But that's at the home library.
20:20 wizzyrea       once you have confirmed it once
20:20 jcamins        Right.
20:20 wizzyrea       you can igonre it
20:20 wizzyrea       you check in an item
20:20 wizzyrea       the first time
20:19 jcamins        wtf is the point of bug 8292 then?
20:19 jcamins        But...
20:19 wizzyrea       use a fresh hold ;)
20:19 wizzyrea       you can't ignore it if it's already waiting
20:19 wizzyrea       oh, it's because the item is already waiting
20:19 jcamins        Ooh. That could be.
20:19 jcamins        Notice the lack of an ignore button.
20:19 wizzyrea       could it be that the rules for that particular branch state that the itemtype you are trying to issue is no-holds
20:19 jcamins        http://screencast.com/t/Xt9mSNj4u
20:18 jcamins        For another user, I managed to get the following (taking screenshot).
20:18 wizzyrea       it just doesn't work
20:18 wizzyrea       he doesn't get one
20:18 cait           what is the error message you get?
20:17 jcamins        Yeah, I'm placing holds from staff as well.
20:17 cait           and I placed my holds from staff
20:17 jcamins        It's a superlibrarian user.
20:17 jcamins        It's not the database user.
20:17 wizzyrea       it's not the superlibrarian
20:17 jcamins        Not as far as I can see.
20:17 cait           jcamins: I tested with automaticitemreturn - not sure about my other settings :(
20:17 wizzyrea       over the fine limit?
20:16 wizzyrea       are they debarred?
20:16 wizzyrea       this is what mine looks like
20:16 jcamins        wizzyrea: it seems like possibly that user can no longer place holds.
20:16 wizzyrea       http://imgur.com/wagcS6q
20:16 cait           maybe a syspref is involved here?
20:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
20:16 jcamins        Test the problem described in bug 8292.
20:16 cait           what are you trying to do?
20:16 cait           hm
20:16 jcamins        Apparently.
20:16 jcamins        I have "Confirm" and "Print and confirm."
20:15 wizzyrea       wait you made it work?
20:15 jcamins        I don't have an ignore button.
20:15 wizzyrea       jcamins: maybe try with a fresh DB?
20:15 jcamins        Ummm...
20:15 cait           but it's the last course in that area thankfully
20:15 cait           distance study
20:15 cait           not really
20:14 oleonard       That does not sound fun.
20:14 * cait         spend all day on learning about business process management :(
20:13 cait           oleonard++ :)
20:13 wizzyrea       :D
20:13 wizzyrea       YOU WIN.
20:13 * oleonard     made one
20:13 wizzyrea       like I didn't see one for "duplicate"
20:13 wizzyrea       some we don't have but
20:13 wizzyrea       I like the icons that come with bootstrap
20:12 jcamins        The item level hold worked.
20:12 wizzyrea       mine are all bib-level
20:12 jcamins        It just skipped my bib-level hold.
20:12 wizzyrea       :D
20:12 oleonard       Fresh patch awaiting testing wizzyrea! :)
20:12 wizzyrea       oleonard++ for that work
20:12 jcamins        that's really weird.
20:12 jcamins        ...
20:12 * wizzyrea     can't wait to get bootstrap on it properly, it will look really properly swank then.
20:11 wizzyrea       also, koha is looking so nice these days.
20:11 wizzyrea       mine are working fine
20:11 jcamins        Good idea.
20:11 jcamins        I'll try item level too.
20:11 wahanui        somebody said bib-level was an example
20:11 jcamins        Bib-level.
20:10 wizzyrea       yes
20:10 wizzyrea       item level holds jcamins?
20:10 slef           "Staff at collapsed music and entertainment chain HMV used the company's official Twitter account to announce their own "mass execution" as administrators axed nearly 190 jobs."
20:09 jcamins        Hey, does "Attention:" always show out on your checkout screen, even when there's no message?
20:09 slef           how not to fire people http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jobs-axed-stricken-retailer-hmv-160620231.html
20:09 * wizzyrea     tries another
20:09 jcamins        That's good.
20:09 wizzyrea       mine seems to be working
20:08 jcamins        But holds worked after I pushed Srdjan's latest patch because I tried them.
20:08 jcamins        We are in agreement.
20:08 wizzyrea       that seems not good
20:07 jcamins        wizzyrea: it just says "Not checked out"
20:07 * wizzyrea     will try it right now
20:07 jcamins        So... do holds work for anyone on master?
20:07 wizzyrea       jcamins
20:07 wizzyrea       you get a message when you try, or you dont?
20:07 JoeLib001      Ok, will do.
20:06 jcamins        Bother.
20:06 jcamins        No, I was wrong.
20:06 * wizzyrea     waves to oleonard
20:06 cait           hi wizzyrea and oleonard :)
20:06 oleonard       Hi cait
20:06 wizzyrea       hi cait
20:06 cait           hi #koha
20:05 wizzyrea       ha.
20:05 jcamins        I had added rental charges!
20:04 jcamins        Wait, wait! I know!
20:04 jcamins        Right.
20:04 jcamins        Oh.
20:04 wizzyrea       that seems not good.
20:04 wizzyrea       JoeLib001 :)
20:03 wizzyrea       not you
20:03 wizzyrea       no no no
20:03 jcamins        Any record results in the holds system going bonkers.
20:03 jcamins        It doesn't matter.
20:03 wizzyrea       you are going to want to attach the marc record you used
20:03 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9522 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha returns &lt, &gt, etc in the record instead of <, >, etc when fulfilling a Z39.50 request
20:03 JoeLib001      My bad, bug 9522. ;-)
20:02 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9552 was not found.
20:02 JoeLib001      posted bug 9552
20:02 jcamins        that was not an improvement.
20:02 jcamins        Okay...
20:02 jcamins        This is master with or without that patch.
20:02 wizzyrea       this is just master + that patch, right?
20:02 wizzyrea       hm that seems odd for sure
20:01 jcamins        That didn't do anything.
20:01 jcamins        I also tried checking it out to the person who had the hold, when it refused to trigger.
20:01 jcamins        Yes.
20:01 * wizzyrea     states the obvious - you are using "check in" right :P
20:01 wizzyrea       ha.
20:01 jcamins        I don't feel that's so much to ask.
20:00 * jcamins      would just like his hold to trigger.
20:00 wizzyrea       unless that's the problem you are trying to address.
20:00 wizzyrea       you should not ever try to do testing with old holds.
20:00 wizzyrea       oh well
19:59 jcamins        I'm thinking I'll just clear out reserves and oldreserves and try again.
19:59 wizzyrea       is it internet connected?
19:59 wizzyrea       hmm.
19:59 jcamins        Nope.
19:59 * wizzyrea     is reaching the bottom of the barrel
19:59 jcamins        I didn't think of checking that!
19:59 jcamins        Oh-ho!
19:59 wizzyrea       independent branches?
19:58 jcamins        But I cannot trigger them.
19:58 jcamins        I have holds in the database.
19:58 jcamins        Nah, when I say holds do not work at all for me, I mean "wowie, that's extraordinary, no part of holds is functioning!"
19:58 * wizzyrea     sheds a tear
19:58 wizzyrea       also, my very first database update.
19:58 jcamins        It'd be nice. :)
19:58 wizzyrea       :)
19:58 wizzyrea       ohhh okies. I could clean those up too eh.
19:57 jcamins        wizzyrea: they were already there.
19:57 wizzyrea       (were they in my patch or existent?)
19:57 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access.
19:57 wizzyrea       also jcamins, re: bug 9382 - what were the capitalisation problems?
19:55 wizzyrea       )
19:55 wizzyrea       (those being the two most common reasons why
19:55 wizzyrea       :)
19:55 wizzyrea       and you probably do not have allow on shelf holds turned on
19:55 wizzyrea       because you do not have an all all all rule
19:54 jcamins        I'm contemplating why holds do not work at all for me.
19:53 wizzyrea       also, good morning :)
19:53 wizzyrea       what about it?
19:53 wizzyrea       *nod*
19:53 wizzyrea       so the thought  was that if he didn't index from the marcxml, those issues wouldn't come up
19:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer
19:53 jcamins        Bug 8292.
19:52 wizzyrea       in his case, he's got html entities in his xml, which is normal, but it looks like the output from zebra is including them untranslated.
19:47 libsysguy      which is better
19:47 libsysguy      rebuilds the indexes from marcxml
19:40 JoeLib001      What's it do?
19:40 libsysguy      you should always use the -x option iirc
19:39 JoeLib001      Hmm..., just tried rebuilding the Zebra index without the -x option, but that didn't fix it.
19:31 JoeLib001      Hello. :-)
19:31 trea           o/
19:29 JoeLib001      I'm backing up my test machine so I can kill koha without having to redo my test machine. ;-)
19:28 JoeLib001      It does. I installed koha 3.10 from the pacakges.
19:28 JoeLib001      In fact when I connect with the yaz-client to my localhost I get the same result. I just spent a couple hours creating a test server to see, if it holds true on a clean system.
19:27 JoeLib001      I am still stuck on this whole issue with koha giving me &lt, &gt, etc. When I am importing the record into a Non-Koha system using Z39.50.
19:25 JoeLib001      Hello again everyone. ;-)
19:23 jcamins_away   Maybe missing data.
19:13 jcamins_away   t/db_dependent/Koha.t passes on my server.
19:13 wahanui        i guess Snow is thawing :)
19:13 oleonard       Snow?
19:13 jcamins_away   Okay... what am I missing here?
18:58 libsysguy      you get an error page
18:58 libsysguy      if you go to admin -> search engine configuration
18:57 libsysguy      koha:old_usual
18:57 libsysguy      nengard http://staff.discovery.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl
18:56 nengard        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr/Lucene_Test_Queries_for_Koha
18:56 nengard        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr/Lucene_Documentation
18:56 nengard        libsysguy: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switch_to_Solr_RFC
18:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
18:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9308 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ed.veal, Pushed to Master , logo-koha.png not transparent in ccsr theme.
18:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9483 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on batch patron modifications page
18:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9268 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , Scanning in barcode or ISBN in Acquisitions -> new order submits the form unexpectedly
18:33 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 9265 - Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
18:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access.
18:33 jenkins_koha   * ed.veal: Bug 9308 - logo-koha.png not transparent in ccsr theme
18:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9494 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Library of Congress Z39.50 target seed data outdated
18:33 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 9483 - Use DataTables on batch patron modifications page
18:33 jenkins_koha   * liz: Bug 9268 - Scanning in barcode or ISBN in Acquisitions -> new order submits the form unexpectedly
18:33 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9382: Increment version number
18:33 jenkins_koha   * liz: Bug 9382 - updating permission labels
18:33 jenkins_koha   * gmc: Bug 9494: update default LOC z39.50 target settings
18:33 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1030: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1030/
18:25 libsysguy      is there any doc on getting solr working?
18:04 oleonard       "Dear Annoyed: Keep your mouth shut and get back to work. -- Abby"
18:04 oleonard       "Dear Abby: How do I tell my staff to stop writing 'KOHA' without sounding like an asshole? -- Annoyed in Athens County"
17:30 * oleonard     lawyers up
17:28 oleonard       jenkins_koha accuses me of breaking master?
17:28 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1030 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1028 6 days 17 hr ago)
17:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused images from the OPAC
17:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8942 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Translation process breaks javascript in calendar.inc
17:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9174 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Item type image does not display for biblio-level itemtypes in list display in OPAC
17:27 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8108 [Follow-up, revised] Remove unused OPAC images
17:27 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 2)
17:27 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript (followup 1)
17:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9497 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Make it easier to add to the the list of possible encodings for Z39.50 servers and add ISO 8859-1
17:27 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8942: Translation process breaks javascript
17:27 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9174 follow-up: Eliminate warning and fix POD
17:27 jenkins_koha   * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9174: Fix itemtype image display in OPAC lists
17:27 jenkins_koha   * magnus: Bug 9497 - Make it easier to add new encodings for Z39.50 servers and add ISO 8859-1
17:27 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1029: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1029/
17:12 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
17:12 oleonard       Bug 9265 Hooray! HTML5 is a go!
17:01 nengard        better than 30 degrees
17:01 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9265' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9112fb63dfd8d18a73010f51eb927bfc961284c9> / Bug 9265 - Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47609920b7403b884f1b5feb136de0ce026e75fc> / Merge branch 'bug_9308' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8
17:01 nengard        I think I can handle 100 degrees
16:55 jcamins        Okay, time to go get Shari some coffee.
16:52 * jcamins      too.
16:45 libsysguy      heh
16:44 * oleonard     will leave Texas to libsysguy
16:42 * libsysguy    is more suited for 100 degrees
16:42 libsysguy      heh
16:41 jcamins        It's warmer where you are than where I am!
16:41 libsysguy      well in Texas its generally warm
16:41 huginn         jcamins: The current temperature in Palm Desert Country Club, Palm Desert, California is 11.7°C (8:29 AM PST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
16:41 jcamins        @wunder palm desert, ca
16:41 huginn         oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -1.7°C (11:11 AM EST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
16:41 oleonard       @wunder 45701
16:40 oleonard       15C is "so cold?"
16:39 huginn         libsysguy: The current temperature in Eagle Springs, Humble, Texas is 15.1°C (10:37 AM CST on January 31, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
16:39 libsysguy      @wunder 77346
16:39 libsysguy      grr
16:39 jcamins        It's pretty nice out here in California. :P
16:39 jcamins        Heh.
16:39 jcamins        Ah.
16:38 libsysguy      its so cold here my fingers don't want to work
16:38 libsysguy      plack**
16:38 jcamins        libsysguy: BTW, "pack patch"?
16:38 * libsysguy    hears the whip cracking in the background
16:37 * gaetan_B     files a bug quickly
16:37 oleonard       Patch! Test! Repeat!
16:37 * libsysguy    takka takka takka
16:37 oleonard       jcamins is here! Everyone look busy!
16:37 jcamins        gaetan_B: that's because Italians secretly prefer to learn new languages.
16:37 libsysguy      oh crap jcamins is here
16:36 libsysguy      incase anybody wants to test and so too ;)
16:36 libsysguy      I just dropped the pack patch in on a clean box and fresh install and it worked straight out of the gate
16:31 gaetan_B       which is the one for bahasa indonesia right now
16:30 gaetan_B       with the code for italian
16:30 gaetan_B       there is something wrong though
16:30 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ...
16:30 gaetan_B       oleonard: hi :) i'm looking at bug 2559, i'd say the problem doesn't exist anymore OR unimarc is more consistent than marc21 (since it uses the iso something codes for languages)
16:20 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1029 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
16:17 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8108' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=01e727a6d9b4672d3b52aee328b81cdb57020c6b> / Bug 8108 [Follow-up, revised] Remove unused OPAC images <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd56cf5e9686ac383de80891efe41e1dad2e1165> / Merge branch 'bug_8942' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4520f6
15:44 oleonard       If it did I'd ask you to drop me off a bag of chips on the way
15:44 gmcharlt       oleonard: sadly, my arm doesn't reach from Seattle to Massachusetts :)
15:43 oleonard       gmcharlt: I thought it was to distract Dyrcona in preparation for some kind of elaborate office prank
15:41 Dyrcona        :)
15:41 gmcharlt       Dyrcona: why do you think we lured you over here in the first place? ;)
15:41 Dyrcona        gmcharlt better watch out. I'm getting ideas for Evergreen..... ;)
15:40 Dyrcona        Neat! I like the way you handle installation of the Perl stuff.
15:38 Dyrcona        What JSON package do you use? I see a use JSON; in that code that magnuse shared earlier.
15:36 Dyrcona        Oh well.
15:36 oleonard       Dyrcona: That will be quite the non-sequitor when drojf returns :)
15:33 huginn         Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
15:33 Dyrcona        @later tell drojf It probably is that easy.
15:33 nengard        when sorting my publication date is it using the 008 in the marc record? or is it using the copyrightdatefield in the db? or both?
15:33 Dyrcona        drojf: It probably .... dang!
15:32 drojf          later
15:32 * drojf        heads home
15:32 drojf          magnuse: that's what i was thinking :D
15:29 magnuse        almost sounds too easy :-)
15:29 magnuse        drojf: not sure
15:25 drojf          gerundio: thanks!
15:25 drojf          don't have a koha to try atm
15:25 drojf          magnuse: would changing that to fetchall_hashref do what i expect?
15:24 gerundio       in that case, that code is valid JSON
15:24 gerundio       drojf, magnuse use http://jsonlint.com/ to help figure out if it's JSON or not
15:07 magnuse        it comes from line 60 here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=svc/report;h=654ef1572b76c231badabfc1e1c782510734bee6;hb=HEAD#l60
15:05 drojf          magnuse: yes, i was expecting something like that
15:05 magnuse        it would have been more useful if it as an array of hashes, with column names as keys, perhaps
15:05 drojf          heh
15:05 Dyrcona        Whether or not it's what you expect, I can't say. :)
15:05 drojf          ok. not what i expected but if that is how it is supposed to be then i can deal with it :)
15:04 magnuse        Dyrcona: that's what i suspected :-)
15:04 Dyrcona        magnuse: That's an array of arrays in JSON.
15:03 drojf          i think i started doing anything with json like two weeks ago, so i'm really not familiar with it :D
15:03 magnuse        or something like that...
15:03 magnuse        where we would expect to se an array of hashes?
15:02 magnuse        hm, is it a list of lists?
15:02 drojf          that is not really json, is it? or is there some kind of json-y has thing i don't understand?
15:01 drojf          yes
15:01 magnuse        drojf: i'm seeing the same as you, i guess: [["Code","Lessig, Lawrence"],["The future of ideas","Lessig, Lawrence"],["Remix","Lessig, Lawrence"]]
14:59 drojf          http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=2
14:57 magnuse        drojf: what's the url for accessing a public report again?
14:57 drojf          then maybe i'm doing something wrong
14:54 magnuse        drojf: i don't think there is a way to choose output format
14:52 drojf          public reports that is
14:50 drojf          does anybody know if there is a way to choose the output of the koha svc report feature? rangi said it would output json, it does not look like json to me though
14:48 * drojf        is not qualified to answer that question
14:47 gerundio       does that code snippet look like a good way to update items barcode and stocknumber after being mapped?
14:45 gerundio       s/among/within/
14:45 gerundio       I think that the only bad thing is this culture that lives among the population
14:44 drojf          come on, why care about koha? just relax man :D
14:44 gerundio       drojf, there are so many nice things going on for Portugal
14:44 drojf          sounds like a relaxed country ;)
14:44 gerundio       back to koha, earlier today I pasted this http://paste.koha-community.org/376
14:44 gerundio       oh well, we could talk for days about this :|
14:43 gerundio       most people think they only have rights
14:43 gerundio       in Portugal that feeling of not caring about the obligations is a cultural thing
14:42 gerundio       that sums it drojf
14:40 drojf          oleonard: some people don't care :D
14:40 oleonard       I would be profoundly bad at my job if I stopped learning new things
14:40 Dyrcona        I'm always learning new things. It's how I fight boredom.
14:40 gerundio       me too
14:40 oleonard       [off] I hope only for a special kind of people drojf
14:39 gerundio       most of these people just think "do it or don't do it, I get my paycheck at the end of the month either way, so I rather don't do it"
14:39 drojf          [off] there seems to come a point in your work life where you just don't care to leanr anything new, don't want to be bothered and continue to do things like you used to until you die. i wonder if that is for everybody or just a special kind of people
14:39 gerundio       drojf, "lack of ability" was just my nice choice of words for ignorance, laziness or resignation
14:38 drojf          [off] yes i have seen a considerable amount of ignorance and fear of/hatred towards new things in people lilke that
14:37 gerundio       and lets just say they could refuse to do the job and there's nothing I could do about it
14:37 gerundio       I managed our helpdesk team for 9 months
14:37 gerundio       so basically they're untouchable
14:37 gerundio       in Portugal public employees can't be dismissed (fired)
14:36 gerundio       but this a public faculty
14:36 gerundio       I don't know how it works on other countries
14:36 drojf          if there is somebody to do it for them, why learn it?
14:35 Dyrcona        gerundio; I usually find its a lack of desire or motivation more than a lack of ability. Most of the people I have these problems with are otherwise intelligent people.
14:35 drojf          that is not lack of ability but ignorance
14:35 gerundio       drojf, does that answer your question? :D
14:35 gerundio       an IT colleague of mine keeps doing stuff in Koha that should be done by our librarians, because, in his words, "they don't know how and they lack the hability to learn"
14:35 drojf          s/lean/learn
14:34 drojf          gerundio: how do they plan to continue to work if they don't lean how koha works?
14:34 * oleonard     wishes he could just use services that worked well and not have to worry about harmful consequences
14:34 gerundio       Dyrcona, we get that a lot
14:33 Dyrcona        I should use tor.....Think I'll look it up again at lunch time.
14:33 slef           drojf++
14:33 Dyrcona        Wow! gerundio, you win....I've not heard of anything that bad 'round here.
14:32 * drojf        is proud to have started the discussion that lead to google not being the standard search engine in the tor browser bundle anymore :P
14:32 gerundio       I heard of one person that requested a "sick leave" just not to learn how to work with Koha :D
14:32 slef           http://yacyweb.de/peer.htm might just be giving me dead peers :-/
14:32 Dyrcona        gerundio: I deal with people like that everyday, and our migration to Evergreen is another textbook example. :)
14:32 drojf          slef: i remember trying to try yacy, but something did not work for me
14:31 Dyrcona        I'll give yacy a try.
14:31 * slef         reroutes traffic
14:31 slef           this is very strange... I wonder if I'm being filtered
14:31 gerundio       I have a great example here regarding our migration to koha :D
14:31 * slef         has trouble with yacy, just to reward him for mentioning it :-(
14:31 gerundio       we deal with people like that everyday
14:31 Dyrcona        lol
14:31 gerundio       hail hail Dyrcona
14:30 Dyrcona        I also don't think you can educate people who want to remain ignorant.
14:30 Dyrcona        slef: I didn't say I actually agreed with Bruce.... However, I do to some extent when it comes to software.
14:30 slef           Dyrcona: tried yacy?
14:29 slef           Dyrcona: education is vital. Refusing to educate people means accepting controlling them.
14:29 Dyrcona        slef: Agreed. I think it is about time for a real alternative to Google, et al.
14:29 slef           Dyrcona: well, we should strip out the intrusion/integration too, but that's easier said than done with so many Google fanatics around :-/
14:28 Dyrcona        slef: I'm reminded of something Bruce Schneier once said, "Anyone who thinks the solution is to educate the end user has never met an actual end user."
14:27 slef           educate them. Bring back bookmarking.
14:27 gerundio       users heavily deppend on the integration between the browsers navigation bars and the search engines
14:27 slef           gerundio: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2010-10-28b.143.0#g175.5 for example. Not only buzzwords.
14:26 drojf          publishers were not happy with that :D
14:25 gerundio       internet users don't know site URLs anymore (at least non IT users)
14:25 drojf          that has happened before, i think in belgium. google kicked out EVERY hit to those sites
14:25 gerundio       I'd love for Google to remove links for those publications for 1 month alone
14:24 drojf          gerundio: well, they say it's their intellectual property and want to be paid... i don't know, per hit or something
14:23 gerundio       lolol, so basically search engines help people get to the news and have to pay for it?
14:23 drojf          it's a present of the christian democratic party to the publisher axel springer verlag. it's so ridiculous
14:21 Dyrcona        drojf: yeah, I've read about that online.
14:21 drojf          we have a discussion about a funny law to make search engines pay for links to newspapers
14:21 slef           drojf: it was a change of administration, which often reduces the average age.
14:21 drojf          Dyrcona: in germany that is happening more often too
14:20 * oleonard     wishes Dyrcona was exaggerating
14:20 drojf          "20 per cent of MPs aged under 40", wow. i doubt that is true for german bundestag
14:20 Dyrcona        In the U.S. the lawmakers are handed the laws already written by the industries' representatives.
14:20 gerundio       ;)
14:19 slef           http://democracy-uk-2012.democraticaudit.com/social-representativeness-of-parliament
14:19 slef           "Following the 2010 general election, the average age of British MPs was 50, with 20 per cent of MPs aged under 40, 61 per cent aged 40-59, and 19 per cent 60 or over (Smith Institute, 2010). This age profile is not at all surprising, given the nature of the occupation, and it is likely that the age profile of MPs is similar to that found in equivalent professions or even the voting-age population."
14:19 gerundio       the point still is that they were thrown a bunch of buzzwords about this topic
14:19 slef           gerundio: no, it's a lie to make themselves look clever.
14:19 gerundio       probably they are not 80 and most can use a mouse
14:18 gerundio       slef, that's just an overstatement to make a point
14:18 slef           that reminds me. I'm mjray@friends.mayfirst.org on friendica if anyone wants to connect - may also work with diaspora and statusNet
14:18 slef           gerundio: "ORIGINS OF THE LAW". Most of the lawmakers are not 80somethings and probably could use a mouse.
14:17 gerundio       slef, didn't understand that "making stuff up" part
14:17 oleonard       Right, even those of us who care about internet privacy need help because the odds are against us
14:17 slef           gerundio: I don't think making stuff up makes the anti-cookie chart more believable.
14:16 gerundio       drojf, or more... those god damn "Ok" buttons are so clicable
14:16 drojf          like, everybody who uses facebook or google
14:16 drojf          on a sidenote, unfortunately i think 95% of people on the net need help with internet privacy
14:16 gerundio       slef, of course it is
14:15 slef           gerundio: there is some truth in "ORIGINS OF THE LAW" but it's also exaggerated.
14:15 gerundio       based on some calculus, if you buy a €100 media center with a built-in 1 TB HD that new tax will cost you about €400
14:15 drojf          gerundio:  do you think that because people don't know about something it does not matter? if someone has to consent to cookies (and probably gets an explanation of what a cookie is&does), s/he will learn what a cookie is
14:15 slef           gerundio: I think "REASONING BEHIND THE LAW" misses the point in several ways - I doubt the law was originally meant to be just to tell people; I don't think people quickly stop needing help with privacy just because they know what cookies are; ...
14:14 gerundio       it's about this new copyrights law they want to approve in Portugal
14:13 gerundio       use google translate on this article: http://abertoatedemadrugada.com/2013/01/nova-pl118-propoe-taxas-de-ate-400-por.html
14:13 gerundio       drojf, more often that not it does make sense
14:11 drojf          that "reasoning behind the law" does not make any sense
14:10 * oleonard     was thinking this morning how Americans are opposed to the gov't knowing who owns guns but don't mind private companies knowing everything about them
14:08 gerundio       and while you're at it, the "ORIGINS OF THE LAW" chart too :)
14:08 gerundio       slef, tell me where you stand regarding that "REASONING BEHIND THE LAW" chart on the page oleonard shared
14:07 slef           oleonard: it wasn't the best law they could have made, but yes, it would have been a net benefit.
14:07 oleonard       slef: So you think the law would have benefited the public?
14:07 drojf          s/do/to
14:06 drojf          gerundio: it does not hurt do be nice without a law requiring it
14:06 slef           triumph of lazy webmasters and abusive site-owners over public freedom
14:05 slef           oleonard: no.
14:04 gerundio       I was just mandated to implement the cookie law in all our faculty websites
14:03 gerundio       oleonard, they must be kidding (again)
13:27 oleonard       slef: Good news? http://blog.silktide.com/2013/01/the-stupid-cookie-law-is-dead-at-last/
13:23 oleonard       Whew, that was close. Almost couldn't get in, "too full"
13:06 huginn         drojf: The operation succeeded.
13:06 drojf          @later tell rangi i tried the svc report thingy, but the output does not really look like json to me. i got something like [[vallue1],[value2][value3]] instead of {param1:value1,param2:value2,param3:value3} which i was expecting. can i change the output format somewhere?
13:01 drojf          you quiet, #koha
12:08 gerundio       does that code snippet look like a good way to accomplish that for those 2 fields alone?
12:08 pastebot       "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Code snippet to update mapped barcode and stocknumber on all items" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/376
12:07 gerundio       since the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script doesn't work for the items table
12:04 gerundio       have been working on a script to update 2 items columns I've mapped using the Koha to MARC mapping
12:03 gerundio       hi
09:06 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Présentation Koha 3.10 http://t.co/TipqJITn"
08:27 drojf          hi francharb
08:24 francharb      good morning all
08:20 drojf          good morning #koha
08:16 * magnuse      waves
08:01 gaetan_B       hello
07:26 alex_a         bonjour
05:11 libsysguy      thanks for the chat jcamins
05:11 libsysguy      I think i am off to bed
05:11 libsysguy      well on that note
05:10 libsysguy      hmm
05:10 jcamins_away   Right.
05:09 jcamins_away   Well, you need to do a bit of fiddling, I think, in order to make it actually work as I described.
05:09 libsysguy      the pqf buffer being w_pqf?
05:09 libsysguy      it just needs to be told what it is
05:08 libsysguy      so basically its already set up for it
05:08 jcamins_away   Add a session setting to specify "this is in PQF," and, if it is, just stick the query right into the pqf buffer.
05:07 jcamins_away   In particular, client_parse_query.
05:06 libsysguy      it looks like there is a lot of work in there for solr
05:06 libsysguy      thats what I was just reading
05:06 jcamins_away   Take a look in src/client.c.
05:06 libsysguy      it looks clean
05:05 jcamins_away   I grant that I bitch about it a lot, but their code is actually pretty good.
05:05 libsysguy      a *lot* of C
05:03 libsysguy      I'm out of my league..its in C
05:02 libsysguy      well why didn't I try that
05:01 jcamins_away   http://git.indexdata.com/
05:00 wahanui        libsysguy: I forgot pazpar2 repo
05:00 libsysguy      wahanui forget pazpar2 repo
05:00 libsysguy      soab
05:00 jcamins_away   No, that's a copy of their repo.
05:00 wahanui        i guess pazpar2 repo is https://github.com/piskvorky/pazpar2/tree/master
05:00 libsysguy      pazpar2 repo?
05:00 wahanui        OK, libsysguy.
05:00 libsysguy      wahanui pazpar2 repo is https://github.com/piskvorky/pazpar2/tree/master
04:59 libsysguy      https://github.com/piskvorky/pazpar2/tree/master?
04:57 jcamins_away   I do remember that I generally give up and _then_ find it, though.
04:56 jcamins_away   I can't remember where their code is.
04:56 jcamins_away   https://www.indexdata.com/pazpar2
04:56 libsysguy      why is it not on github :p
04:56 jcamins_away   Yes.
04:56 libsysguy      is pazpar2 open source
04:55 libsysguy      the package name is deceptive
04:55 libsysguy      ah yes I see that now
04:55 libsysguy      sad day
04:54 jcamins_away   Sadly.
04:54 jcamins_away   Nothing to do with the QueryParser we use.
04:54 jcamins_away   Your options for PazPar2 would be to either A) write a CCL driver, or B) make PazPar2 work with the existing PQF driver (which, by the way, is kickass).
04:54 libsysguy      there is a liblucene-queryparser-perl :p
04:53 jcamins_away   Right, so that's why we need a Solr driver for QueryParser.
04:53 * libsysguy    prefers to pass the pain and suffering on
04:53 jcamins_away   (though I guess you could use yaz-proxy if you're the type of person who likes to suffer)
04:52 jcamins_away   'Cause that'd be dumb.
04:52 jcamins_away   But that's why we don't send PQF to a Solr server.
04:52 libsysguy      heh
04:52 jcamins_away   Well... it does if you want to send a query to a Solr server.
04:52 jcamins_away   PQF has none of these problems.
04:51 libsysguy      i see
04:51 jcamins_away   And CCL is a bad choice for user input because it requires that the user use a well-defined subset of CCL.
04:51 jcamins_away   So CCL is a bad choice for communicating with the server because it requires special configuration for the parsing.
04:50 jcamins_away   *and CCL (all CCL) requires...
04:50 jcamins_away   The problem is that user-generated CCL is ambiguous, and requires a great deal of parsing somewhere other than in Koha.
04:50 jcamins_away   CCL is "standard" as well.
04:50 libsysguy      so pqf is standard…ccl is BS?
04:49 jcamins_away   Right.
04:49 libsysguy      kw; wdl lasers
04:49 libsysguy      ah so what shows up when we do a search now
04:48 jcamins_away   au,kw:Gaiman and ti:"American Gods"
04:48 eythian        oh, no. I missed the bit of sanitisation that was hidden there. False alarm.
04:48 jcamins_away   CCL looks like this:
04:48 huginn         jcamins_away: downloading the Perl source
04:48 jcamins_away   @and @attr 1=Author @attr 4=6 "Gaiman" @attr 1=Title "American Gods"
04:47 jcamins_away   PQF looks like this:
04:47 wahanui        pqf is Prefix Query Format or at http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF
04:47 jcamins_away   pqf?
04:47 libsysguy      but what is the difference between CCL and PQF
04:47 libsysguy      and its probably just that I'm dumb
04:47 jcamins_away   Why?
04:47 jcamins_away   My favored solution would be to patch Pazpar2 to support PQF natively.
04:46 libsysguy      so…I'm confused
04:46 jcamins_away   Basically pazpar2 will repeat the parsing that we do with QP.
04:46 jcamins_away   Yeah.
04:46 libsysguy      I see in the pazpar doc there is pz:cclmap:xxx for mapping one thing to another
04:44 libsysguy      ^^
04:44 jcamins_away   eythian: color me... unsurprised. :(
04:44 libsysguy      that would explain why its taking so long
04:44 eythian        guys, I haven't tested it yet, but I think I found an SQL injection in the opac. I might test it. Probably a false alarm.
04:44 jcamins_away   Why yes, that is a scan of a book printed in 1992.
04:43 libsysguy      ah
04:43 jcamins_away   http://www.niso.org/apps/group_public/download.php/6567/Common%20Command%20Language%20for%20Online%20Interactive%20Information%20Retrieval.pdf <-- CCL
04:43 jcamins_away   Some sort of crazy "standard" invented by a guy named Cerner, probably.
04:43 jcamins_away   I haven't the foggiest clue what that is.
04:42 jcamins_away   Right...
04:42 libsysguy      CCL is patterned after thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_Query_Language (SQL)
04:42 libsysguy      after the first citation
04:42 libsysguy      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerner_CCL
04:42 jcamins_away   Where on Wikipedia did you see the comparison?
04:42 libsysguy      shoot
04:42 jcamins_away   I have a question.
04:42 jcamins_away   Pazpar2 is pretty nice.
04:41 libsysguy      i thought so :'(
04:41 jcamins_away   That's the best I can think of.
04:41 libsysguy      so would there be a more appropriate middleware for aggregating data our there?
04:40 jcamins_away   It's actually possible to write a query that MySQL's query optimizer can't handle.
04:40 jcamins_away   Well, SQL is usually unambiguous.
04:39 jcamins_away   Except SQL is actually unambiguous if you're not stupid about table and column names.
04:39 libsysguy      so it has to be true
04:39 libsysguy      wikipedia did
04:39 jcamins_away   I guess you could compare the two.
04:39 libsysguy      so CCL ~= SQL for non-standard things
04:38 libsysguy      I figured that out quickly
04:38 jcamins_away   Did I ever say it was interesting? *Nooo*.
04:38 jcamins_away   lol
04:38 * libsysguy    can now sleep
04:37 * libsysguy    is reading the documentation
04:37 * jcamins_away is not a fan of CCL.
04:37 jcamins_away   And wahanui is absolutely right.
04:37 jcamins_away   Oh, yeah, the syntax is CCL.
04:37 wahanui        CCL is not a standard... It needs configuration
04:37 libsysguy      CCL?
04:36 libsysguy      that is what I was thinking
04:36 jcamins_away   Presumably similar to the one used by yaz.
04:36 jcamins_away   libsysguy: Pazpar2 has its own query parser.
04:36 eythian        yeah
04:36 libsysguy      what does pazpar2 use as its query parser now
04:36 cjh            eythian: borrower history?
04:35 eythian        fortunately as you never see the query in full, no one will know it's terrible :)
04:35 jcamins_away   eythian: uh-oh.
04:35 * eythian      writes Perl to write what is probably the ugliest single SQL query in Koha.
04:34 jcamins_away   Alternatively, patch pazpar2 to support PQF.
04:34 libsysguy      hmm
04:33 jcamins_away   AKA not a stupid syntax
04:33 libsysguy      ahh
04:33 jcamins_away   No, I just wrote a driver for PQF.
04:33 libsysguy      didn't you do that ;)
04:32 jcamins_away   Just write a QueryParser driver.
04:32 jcamins_away   Well, the good news is that it'd actually be really easy to do now.
04:32 jcamins_away   Yeah, except it doesn't work now. :P
04:32 libsysguy      I'm thinking of using it as middleware to zebra/solr/other sru data sources
04:32 libsysguy      that is how it looks like it was set up now
04:32 libsysguy      ah
04:31 jcamins_away   He did it as federated searching on the side.
04:31 libsysguy      as middleware jcamins?
04:30 jcamins_away   libsysguy: apparently it doesn't work, and what rangi did was a proof-of-concept of using PazPar2 properly.
04:29 libsysguy      is anybody familiar with pazpar2 as it pertains to Koha?
04:29 libsysguy      but not in a way I think it was supposed to be implemented
04:29 libsysguy      so I know pazpar2 is *in* koha
04:25 libsysguy      but really
04:25 libsysguy      jk
04:25 libsysguy      my republican roots?
04:25 * jcamins_away wonders what libsysguy is disavowing.
04:24 jcamins_away   [off] If a patch breaks something important and can be reverted, I will revert it. Period.
04:24 * libsysguy    waives
02:37 wizzyrea       ...
02:29 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
02:29 wajasu         holy smokes. bug 8378
00:39 wizzyrea       pretty only because I left.
00:39 cjh            ooooohhhhhh
00:39 wizzyrea       pft.
00:39 bag            sorry
00:39 bag            ha
00:39 bag            I think A). it works B). that's pretty for Kansas :P
00:39 wizzyrea       :)
00:39 wizzyrea       hehe yes
00:39 bag            well reply to khall than I'm guessing :)
00:38 eythian        bag: you see, people come here and they get used to nice scenery.
00:38 bag            heh
00:38 bag            :P
00:38 bag            oh you want pretty eh?
00:38 wizzyrea       try that one
00:38 wizzyrea       http://imgur.com/OCWCOpV
00:38 bag            imageshack?
00:38 wizzyrea       sorry, imageshack is not very helpful lots of clicking ew.
00:37 wizzyrea       so I was going to suggest that he make it prettier :P
00:37 wizzyrea       but it should be nicer.
00:36 wizzyrea       and yes, other people have done it that way
00:36 wizzyrea       and yes, you can see that something was done
00:36 wizzyrea       this output is not pretty.
00:36 wizzyrea       http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img132/1282/selection052.png
00:36 bag            that's a small but - but a few periods
00:35 wizzyrea       and sho nuff, the actions are logged... but...
00:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9293 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , action_logs not tracking payments
00:35 wizzyrea       well I was looking at bug 9293
00:35 bag            oh hi wizzyrea
00:35 wizzyrea       oh hi bag
00:34 bag            I currently wish I cold memorize the marc fields that are indexed by zebra
00:33 bag            que pasa?
00:33 bag            gone about 3.5 hours ago
00:33 bag            nope
00:33 wizzyrea       khall, longshot, but are you about?
00:04 dcook          Worked like a charm. I'll have to post a patch once I redo my git config...
00:04 dcook          gmcharlt++