IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-21

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05:43 vkm1 hello all
05:44 vkm1 the hold policy which i have setted in circulation privilage does not pics limit from their instead it pics up limit from system preference-circulation-hold policy-reserve limits, please let me know the reason
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06:13 vkm hello all
06:14 vkm my system does not pics hold limits from circulation setup instead it pics from system preference please let me know the reason
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06:24 chinu123 how to generate lib cards from Koha?
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07:02 vkm is there any bug related to hold, which does not pics limit from circulation privileges instead pics frpm system preference 3.8.8
07:03 cait vkm: try searching bugzilla for maxreserves
07:04 cait @query maxreserves
07:04 huginn cait: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6976 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, REOPENED , User hold limit can be avoided by users in OPAC
07:04 huginn cait: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
07:04 huginn cait: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title
07:04 cait bug 4045looks likely
07:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
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07:17 * magnuse waves
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07:26 reiveune hello
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07:31 cait hi magnuse and reiveune
07:32 reiveune hi cait, magnuse :)
07:33 magnuse kia ora cait and reiveune and qu-bit
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07:41 alex_a bonjour
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07:42 marcelr hi #koha
07:43 cait hi marcelr :)
07:44 cait marcelr: could you maybe take a look at my patches? they are marc21 and bywater signed off, so a bit worried they will be stuck for a  longer time now
07:46 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:46 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.6°C (8:40 AM CET on January 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
07:48 cait brr.
07:48 marcelr hi cait
07:49 marcelr cait: which patches do you mean specifically?
07:49 cait I have to xslt patches waiting in the qa queue
07:49 cait but only when you get time of course
07:49 marcelr :)
07:50 cait bug 9356
07:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9356 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Show Dissertation note (MARC21 502) in XSLT
07:50 cait bug 9363
07:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Show Patent control information and report number (MARC21, XSLT, detail pages)
07:51 cait bbl :) - have to go out there and face the snow
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08:03 magnuse @wunder boo
08:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:03 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 1.0°C (8:30 AM CET on January 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
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08:53 qu-bit magnuse: ola
08:54 qu-bit thanks for the greetz
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09:02 * kf waves
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09:59 vfernandes hello :)
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10:09 gerundio good morning all
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11:56 kf hey drojf :)
11:57 drojf hi kf :)
11:57 kf :)
11:57 kf @wunder Konstanz
11:57 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.6°C (12:55 PM CET on January 21, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
11:57 drojf we got more snow :/
11:58 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:58 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -2.5°C (12:42 PM CET on January 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
11:59 kf we too
12:00 kf ths morning, but not sure it will still be there this late afternoon :)
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12:12 magnuse @wunder boo
12:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 1.0°C (1:00 PM CET on January 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
12:13 magnuse hm, i need to go outside and check if that is really true... :-)
12:21 kf :)
12:24 kf drojf: checking po files now in poedit
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12:33 kf @later tell druthb another permission problem on pootle :( http://translate.koha-communit[…]/de/38/export/zip
12:33 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
12:33 kf hm only checking 3.10 files then
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14:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9116' into 3.12-master <[…]cd05c4ec250611664> / Bug 9116: Remove some useless tmp variables <[…]5d385ea4a5100d5c9> / Merge branch 'bug_9236' into 3.12-master <[…]db94fb26ce1c3a157
14:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1019 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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15:14 gerundio I'm trying to debug something in Koha's source code
15:15 gerundio where can I see the result of the "warn sprintf" instructions?
15:16 kf hm
15:16 kf I think you don't need sprintf
15:16 kf warn "something" and in the koha logs
15:16 kf if you have a git install something like koha-dev/var/logs
15:16 kf and then the file for staff or opac
15:19 gerundio kf, "warn sprint" is just the instruction in the source code I'm looking at right now
15:20 gerundio lib/C4/ at lines 92 and 96 in my case
15:20 gerundio I've added KOHA_DEBUG=1 as an environment variable
15:21 gerundio a little further in the same file I see "$debug and warn"
15:21 gerundio I'm tailing the logs and I don't see anything coming up there besides the entries in the access log
15:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1019: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1019/
15:24 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 9236: FIX delete order when receiving
15:24 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 9236 : Redirect to the parcel page after deleting an item/order
15:24 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 9116: Remove some useless tmp variables
15:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9236 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , deleting an order when receiving redirects to closed basket
15:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9116 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Code cleaning: Remove some useless temp variables
15:25 kf gerundio: sorry, not sure how it works with the ldap files - might be different there
15:30 gerundio kf, I don't think that LDAP has anything to do with this
15:30 gerundio I just want to understand how I can debug
15:30 kf ah
15:30 kf I do it like I told you
15:30 kf using warns for perl files and it shows up in the logs for me
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15:30 kf WARN "KF $variable";
15:30 kf well. warn.
15:31 kf and for templates there is a trick too
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15:31 gerundio hmm, not for me though
15:31 kf gerundio: warn "SOMETHING: $variable";
15:31 kf which file are you trying to debug?
15:32 gerundio I guess I'm missing something in my environment
15:32 kf no it shoudl just be wokring
15:32 gerundio the one I mentioned from C4
15:32 kf hm
15:32 gerundio hmm, so maybe it just isn't passing in those warn instructions
15:32 kf and there is nothing in the logs?
15:32 gerundio let me just try some warn elsewhere
15:33 magnuse gerundio: sure you are looking at the right logs?
15:33 gerundio the ones set in the Apache vhost
15:33 gerundio the only ones I know off
15:36 gerundio pebkac
15:37 gerundio I hadn't activated the option to use LDAP auth
15:37 gerundio so that file wasn't being called at all
15:37 kf guess that would explain it :)
15:37 kf better than it being a bug I guess
15:37 gerundio now I get an error pointing to some SSL issue
15:37 gerundio going to dig in :D
15:37 kf have fun :)
15:37 gerundio kf++ magnuse++
15:39 magnuse yeah, have fun gerundio :-)
15:39 gerundio done
15:39 gerundio that was an easy one
15:39 gerundio devel environment all set now
15:43 gerundio btw, I just got a complaint about label barcode showing up just as a blur
15:43 gerundio has anyone experienced such a problem?
15:45 gerundio the XML export doesn't even show the itemcallnumber field value
15:45 gerundio and the CSV export is just and empty file
15:46 jcamins_away gerundio: could the barcode be too long?
15:47 gerundio don't really know the answer to that question :|
15:47 gerundio TK7871.85.CAM FCT 76742
15:48 gerundio does this seem too long?
15:48 gerundio my 1st guess was some graphical system package missing or something
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15:49 gerundio but during the installation I made sure every required package was properly installed
15:49 jcamins_away gerundio: not so long that it would be tiny.
15:49 gerundio but the fact that the XML and the CSV come up empty
15:49 gerundio just mixed things up a little for me
15:50 jcamins_away That does seem odd.
15:50 * jcamins_away doesn't know about any of those parts of the system, though.
15:52 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "Label barcode XML export" (5 lines) at
15:52 gerundio[…]iblionumber=60855
15:52 gerundio that's the item it refers to
15:53 jcamins_away I think chris_n is the only one who _really_ understands the label code.
15:53 gerundio jcamins_away++
15:53 gerundio I guess I'll just wait sometime to see if he comes around
16:02 reiveune1 bye
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16:06 kf gerundio: if you file a bug he might answer too
16:06 kf there is a component for the label creator I think
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17:27 wajasu i'm looking to fix a template for the search results in the staff client.  intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/catalogue/  look like a start.
17:27 jcamins_away first question?
17:27 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
17:28 wajasu i need to change the author link begin generated based on UseAuthoritiesForTracings, to gen a link just like the xslt template does.
17:28 jcamins_away Ah.
17:29 jcamins_away That would be a good place to look.
17:32 wajasu comparing the xslt vs non xslt  results i see that sometime the author is not displayed at all (staff client, noxslt, UseAuthoritesForTracings).
17:32 jcamins_away Yeah, there's an old bug for that.
17:32 jcamins_away Look at GetMarcAuthors.
17:33 wajasu thx
17:34 wajasu i am build a new koha box  today.  i suppose i should use the koha packages this time around for 3.10.  and debian lenny.
17:35 wajasu i'd prefer to run out of a git dev install though.
17:39 jcamins_away If you're doing development, use git.
17:41 wajasu this is for prod.   i guess i won't use zebraqueue this time around, if its not solid, of it still exists.
17:43 jcamins_away zebraqueue_daemon has been deprecated for years and was removed.
17:43 wajasu ok.
17:45 wajasu noww that i have my auth links good, i'll just tell the cataloguer to wait 10 minutes after adding a biblio that has a new authority, since genauths is on.
17:45 jcamins_away You can adjust the frequency to 5 minutes.
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18:00 slef ready for more old bugs?
18:07 wajasu is a koha-packages install ready for outgoing emails, or must i still install postfix or such?
18:07 jcamins_away You must install postfix.
18:08 wajasu ok.
18:08 jcamins_away The packages install nullmailer if you don't have any MTA, which is suitable only for local use.
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19:13 francharb hi all
19:14 francharb is everyone doing good?
19:15 francharb I got a tiny question about the biblio framework importation feature
19:15 jcamins_away .ьу ршвуы
19:15 jcamins_away Sorry.
19:15 * jcamins_away hides
19:16 francharb Have you ever tried to export one framework, do some changes, like renaming the fields, etc
19:16 francharb and reimport the framework?
19:16 francharb Because, execpt the encoding problem, I can export and import the frameworks
19:17 francharb but I can't import one framework once I did changes on it..
19:17 francharb weird, isn"t it?
19:21 rangi hmm i recall runing into that once
19:21 rangi no idea how i got round it though
19:21 francharb :)
19:21 francharb hi rangi
19:21 rangi hiya francharb :)
19:22 rangi i got 3 library cards from france!
19:22 francharb \0/
19:22 francharb who are they?
19:22 wahanui they are still working on it...
19:22 rangi mines paristech, grenoble university, and museum of natural history
19:22 rangi that one is my favourite
19:22 rangi it is a paper card :)
19:22 francharb :)
19:23 francharb rangi, did you upload a picture of your wall lately?
19:24 francharb How many cards did you get so far?
19:24 rangi yup, that url from tweetbot is it
19:24 francharb hehe
19:24 francharb sorry, I'm blind today
19:24 francharb awesome
19:24 rangi 18 now
19:25 rangi ill ask again in a month or so :)
19:25 rangi francharb: how did you edit the framework?
19:25 francharb I will ask the libraries I work with if they can give one of theirs! ;)
19:25 rangi ohh that would be excellent!
19:26 francharb rangi, using libreoffice calc
19:26 rangi hmm
19:26 rangi there goes my theory then
19:26 rangi the last time i saw it, it had been edited on windows and had got \r instead of \n i think
19:26 rangi (was just the sql file)
19:27 francharb I'm using ubuntu but i'm going to check this out!
19:27 francharb thank you
19:29 rangi hopefully it is some help
19:32 francharb rangi, I edited the framework with VI and it works
19:32 rangi ah ha
19:32 francharb so I guess, there is something when I save it with calc
19:32 rangi so libreoffice must be putting in some chars
19:32 francharb yep
19:32 rangi that the import doesnt like
19:33 rangi we should try to find what they are, and fix the import to not choke on them
19:33 rangi cant make everyone use vi :-)
19:33 francharb I'm going to dig this a little further
19:33 francharb :)
19:33 rangi thanks
19:35 francharb I found it
19:36 francharb the original file is : "000","Label","","0","1","",""
19:36 francharb the saved file is : "000","Label","","0","1","","",,,,,,,,,,,,,
19:37 francharb and I just opened the file and saved it
19:37 francharb \0/
19:37 rangi ahhhh
19:37 rangi it adds a ton of empty columns
19:37 rangi helpful of it
19:39 francharb I don't know If I can tell calc to not add these so, I will try later just to delete them before saving the file
19:39 francharb :)
19:40 francharb on this good news, I'm going to eat my soup!
19:40 francharb Time to grow up!
19:41 francharb see you soon rangi ! ;)
19:41 francharb and thanks for the help
19:41 francharb ;)
19:43 rangi mmm soup
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19:44 rangi davidnind++ #great emails to the list
20:04 wizzyrea1 good morning
20:17 rangi[…]-are-failing.html
20:17 rangi interesting read
20:17 rangi i didn't know about --state=save
20:19 gmcharlt rangi++ # nice find
20:20 wizzyrea way handy
21:42 eythian hi
21:42 wahanui bonjour, eythian
21:43 mib_vczt1x hi fellas
21:43 mib_vczt1x i need some asistance
21:44 wizzyrea ask?
21:44 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask.
21:44 wizzyrea :)
21:45 mib_vczt1x[…]biblionumber=2241#
21:45 mib_vczt1x that particular installation seem to be having some issues
21:45 jcamins_away first question?
21:45 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
21:45 mib_vczt1x if we try to search the catalog it returns no results
21:45 jcamins_away Ah.
21:46 mib_vczt1x yet if i try to access the item directly they show
21:46 rangi hmm where is .jm (totally offtopic)
21:46 jcamins_away faq?
21:46 wahanui well, faq is found at
21:46 mib_vczt1x ive run rebild script many times
21:46 mib_vczt1x jamaica
21:46 jcamins_away The last (I think) item has instructions for starting Zebra.
21:46 wizzyrea opac suppression?
21:47 wizzyrea sometimes if you turn on opacsuppression, but don't have any items suppressed, you will get this.
21:47 wizzyrea does it work in the intranet?
21:47 mib_vczt1x wizzyrea: hld let me check
21:49 mib_vczt1x no it doesnt
21:49 wizzyrea then it's not opac suppression :)
21:50 jcamins_away My first guess is that Zebra is not running.
21:50 wizzyrea ^^
21:51 wizzyrea that's probably most likely.
21:51 jcamins_away My second guess is that rebuild_zebra was run as the wrong user.
21:51 jcamins_away My third guess is...
21:51 jcamins_away ummm...
21:51 jcamins_away I only have two guesses, apparently.
21:51 ibeardslee solar flares?
21:51 jcamins_away ibeardslee: that works. :)
21:51 wizzyrea ^ ^
21:53 ibeardslee[…]les-released.html
21:54 mib_vczt1x I did this wiki[…]3.8_on_Centos_6.3, and built the server according to it, maybe i left out important areas, let me check on it
21:55 rangi ps axf | grep "zebrasrv"
21:55 rangi is it running?
21:55 rangi wahanui: excuse?
21:55 wahanui rangi: Cache miss - please take better aim next time
21:56 jcamins_away Oh, if you're on CentOS, I am going to guess that the problem is that you don't have the daemon program for starting Zebra.
21:56 jcamins_away Three guesses. :)
21:57 mib_vczt1x correct it seem i left out that part on the wiki, my servie not running..wil fix when  get home.
21:57 wizzyrea cool, hop on back if you run into trouble :)
21:58 rangi cool, i wonder if you are the first jamaican koha library?
21:59 mib_vczt1x sorry for caps
21:59 mib_vczt1x there is one other here
21:59 mib_vczt1x
22:00 mib_vczt1x still in the setup stage
22:00 mib_vczt1x trying to work out the 1-2-3 steps for getting up and running production style
22:00 wizzyrea cool :)
22:01 wizzyrea using the packages?
22:01 wahanui using the packages is better anyway
22:01 mib_vczt1x kinda in the sense of best practice
22:01 mib_vczt1x well i dont have problems with install part rally
22:01 mib_vczt1x its just the configuration part that i have issues with
22:03 mib_vczt1x in terms of whats next after install there is documentation about practically everything but there is not clear picture of how what affects what
22:04 mib_vczt1x maybe need a sample guide that deals with getting started after install
22:06 jcamins_away beginner's guide?
22:06 jcamins_away Hm.
22:06 jcamins_away introduction?
22:06 jcamins_away gentle introduction to Koha?
22:06 jcamins_away getting started with Koha?
22:06 jcamins_away absolute beginner's guide?
22:06 mib_vczt1x yes
22:06 jcamins_away wahanui: thanks for nothing.
22:06 wahanui jcamins_away: sure thing
22:06 mib_vczt1x something of that nature
22:06 jcamins_away mib_vczt1x: there is one, and I hoped our bot knew where it was.
22:06 jcamins_away It did not.
22:07 jcamins_away newbie guide?
22:07 wahanui well, newbie guide is at
22:07 jcamins_away ^^ ha! It only took six tries.
22:08 * jcamins_away relies heavily on wahanui
22:09 mib_vczt1x well i'm gonna check this out tonight
22:14 rangi @wunder sudbury,on
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22:14 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
22:14 rangi @wunder sudbury, ontario
22:14 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Sudbury, Ontario is -20.0°C (5:00 PM EST on January 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -30.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
22:14 wizzyrea !
22:15 * wizzyrea dies a little when it gets that cold
22:15 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
22:15 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -6.1°C (4:12 PM CST on January 21, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.44 in 1031 hPa (Falling).
22:15 wizzyrea still cold. but not *that* cold
22:15 jcamins_away rangi: you're in Ontario?
22:15 rangi naw, dan scott is
22:16 rangi @wunder nzwn
22:16 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
22:16 rangi that's where i am
22:16 wizzyrea \o/ winning!
22:16 jcamins_away Ah. Why is Dan Scott in Ontario?
22:16 jcamins_away I vaguely recall that he was going to something, but... not much else.
22:17 rangi i think he lives there?
22:17 rangi where is laurentian university?
22:17 senator sudbury's right. that's the place.
22:17 senator also, brrr
22:17 jcamins_away Oh, I thought you were talking about the conference that folks on #evergreen were talking about.
22:18 rangi ahh thats in vancouver later
22:18 wizzyrea oh ALA MW?
22:18 jcamins_away No, the one in Vancouver. :)
22:18 wizzyrea or access
22:18 rangi the evergreen conference anyway
22:18 wizzyrea oh egconf
22:18 jcamins_away Yeah, that's what they were discussing. ;)
22:19 * jcamins_away obviously was not paying the greatest attention that day.
22:19 * wizzyrea wasn't even there
22:19 rangi its shaping up to be a good conference afaict
22:20 jcamins_away Argh!
22:20 * senator wonders whether anybody's organizing the event pub crawl yet
22:20 * jcamins_away just closed FrameMaker.
22:20 jcamins_away I was trying to close the help menu.
22:20 jcamins_away Who puts an "exit" button on the help menu?
22:20 rangi senator: i was in vancouver for acess 2011, there are some really good pubs there
22:21 rangi s/acess/access/
22:21 senator rangi: i look forward to it then! better work on my presentation and properly earn it :-)
22:21 rangi :)
22:23 rangi senator: i remember we had a fairly epic pub crawl at ALA in new orleans
22:23 senator rangi: epic enough i almost don't remember it!
22:24 rangi heh
22:24 jcamins_away Hehe.
22:24 rangi i saw a photo of us with cigars on some balcony ... :)
22:24 * jcamins_away missed that.
22:24 rangi jcamins_away: it was after the open source drinks thingy, i think you and sheri headed back to the hotel?
22:25 jcamins_away Yeah.
22:25 rangi 2:00-2:30 In Search of Search – Jed Moffitt and TBD from Catalyst  <-- always confuses me, im like .. wait, who are those guys .. ohhh another catalyst
22:25 senator good times. any koha folk planning to make this eg conf in vancouver then?
22:26 rangi ahh you have a good topic senator
22:26 rangi id love to, but no budget :(
22:27 senator thanks rangi
22:49 slef yeah same boat as rangi ;)
22:50 jcamins_away About the same.
22:53 jcamins_away FrameMaker--
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22:56 rangi hey NateC
22:57 NateC Hello!
22:57 NateC and Goodbye :)
22:57 wizzyrea hi.... and bye....
23:03 jcamins_away FrameMaker... for when you _really_ hate your users.
23:06 jcamins_away Wait, I meant FileMaker.
23:06 jcamins_away filemaker--
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23:17 * cait is not here
23:21 * slef neither
23:28 cait :)
23:28 * wizzyrea is here
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