IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-09

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01:47 jcamins I do not like firebug.
01:48 wizzyrea no?
01:48 wahanui
01:49 wizzyrea lulz.
01:51 jcamins Definitely not.
01:52 jcamins It doesn't report javascript errors, and whenever it is open I can't switch tabs.
01:53 eythian that's odd, I note the opposite to both those cases.
01:55 wizzyrea O.o I've not ever seen it act that way
01:58 jcamins And I can't get this page to reload.
02:00 wizzyrea wow that's spectacular
02:00 wizzyrea spectacularly fail-y
02:01 jcamins It works in Chrome.
02:01 jcamins Back to Chrome I go.
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02:03 jcamins gmcharlt++
02:04 * Oak waves
02:04 Oak magnuse++
02:04 Oak jcamins++
02:04 Oak hellol jcamins
02:04 Oak *sigh*
02:04 jcamins Hello.
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03:17 bag @seen paul_p
03:17 huginn bag: paul_p was last seen in #koha 4 days, 18 hours, 42 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <paul_p> good morning #koha !
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03:20 _et hi. i'd like to begin translating Koha into Tamil
03:20 _et where do i get the .po files?
03:21 jcamins translate?
03:21 jcamins translation?
03:21 wahanui i think translation is done through the pref files
03:21 wizzyrea
03:21 wahanui hmmm... is back...
03:21 jcamins forget translation
03:21 wahanui jcamins: I forgot translation
03:21 jcamins translation is
03:21 wizzyrea forget
03:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot
03:32 jcamins I can use the opac-suggestions page for ILL requests!
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03:38 wizzyrea the first question?
03:38 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
03:40 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm writing a peer-to-peer ILL module.
03:40 jcamins Sort of.
03:42 wizzyrea hm
03:42 eythian bittorrent or freenet based?
03:42 * wizzyrea giggles
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06:33 bag no paul_p yet to wish him happy birthday!
06:33 bag ok then
06:33 bag @later tell paul_p  Happy Birthday!
06:33 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
06:33 bag @notes paul_p
06:33 huginn bag: Sent just now: <bag> Happy Birthday!
06:33 bag YAY
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06:38 bag heya cait
06:52 cait hi bag
06:57 cait morning #koha
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07:27 alex_a bonjour
07:27 wahanui que tal, alex_a
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07:43 reiveune hello
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07:48 raj4perl Hello all
07:49 raj4perl I've clone koha repo from github and installed it as per INSTALL
07:50 raj4perl now when i run 'plackup --reload etc/app.psgi' and load localhost:5000 ... it always redirects to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/koha/
07:50 raj4perl even when i got to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/koha/ it redirects back to
07:51 raj4perl and when i go to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/[…]taller/, it return 'not found'
07:52 raj4perl i'm new to plack and koha and would appreciate any help/pointers
07:56 raj4perl any ideas what i might be missing please?
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08:02 gaetan_B hello
08:02 wahanui salut, gaetan_B
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08:06 francharb good morning #koha
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08:18 Oak kia ora #koha
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08:45 kf good morning #koha
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09:03 drojf good morning #koha
09:04 kf good morning drojf
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09:21 drojf hi kf
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09:42 kf 20 mins?
09:43 drojf yup
09:46 kf it's so quiet here today, drojf. we shoudl find some nice things to vote on while it's only the two of us ;)
09:49 raj4perl #Koha
09:49 raj4perl I need your help with installation
09:49 raj4perl I'm new to koha and plack
09:50 raj4perl i've done installation but plack always redirects to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/koha/
09:50 raj4perl even when i got to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/koha/ it redirects back to
09:50 raj4perl and when i go to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/[…]taller/, it return 'not found'
09:50 raj4perl What am i missing? Please help.
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09:53 raj4perl Here is the log - "OPAC Install required, redirecting to maintenance"
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09:56 kf raj4perl: sorry, i have never installed koha with plack, maybe if you try a bit later someone with experience will be around
09:56 kf raj4perl: you can also ask on the mailing list
09:56 kf mailing lists?
09:56 wahanui mailing lists are at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
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09:57 raj4perl Okay, will do that. Thanks
09:57 kf you didn't run the web installer yet, right?
09:58 drojf raj4perl: the opac maintenance thingy usually comes when you have not fnished the web installer
09:58 kf did you try accessing localhost:5000?
09:58 raj4perl yes
09:58 raj4perl and every time it redirects to
09:58 drojf 5000 is opac. 5001 would be staff
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10:00 drojf meaning you should try localhost:5001
10:01 drojf kf: are you chairing?
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10:02 kf yes I can do that
10:02 kf give me a second please
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10:02 kf can you look for the link tot he agenda please?
10:02 kf #startmeeting
10:02 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
10:02 huginn kf: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
10:02 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
10:03 kf #startmeeting Koha IRC Meeting
10:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Jan  9 10:01:27 2013 UTC.  The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at
10:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:03 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting'
10:03 slef #link[…]g,_9_January_2013
10:03 davidnind[…]g,_9_January_2013
10:03 kf welcome all to the koha irc meeting
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10:03 vfernandes hello :)
10:03 raj4perl Guys
10:03 kf please introduce yourself with #info
10:03 drojf[…]nuary_2013#Agenda
10:03 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
10:03 oleonard-away #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
10:03 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin
10:03 slef #info MJ Ray, member, England
10:03 kf thx slef and drojf for the link
10:04 jdattetakere #info Joanne Dillon (JD) at Te Takere/Horowhenua District Libraries
10:04 raj4perl just if some one else stumblled upon this issue - The 'Version' parameter was missing in database
10:04 kathryn #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT, NZ
10:04 ColinC #info Colin Campbell ptfs-europe ltd.
10:04 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ
10:04 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:04 raj4perl that seem to have fixed the rediection issue
10:04 kf hm forgot the topic...
10:04 Irma #info Irma Birchall CALYX Sydney, Australia
10:05 kf #topic Announcements
10:05 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:05 kf does someone have an announcemnt to make?
10:05 kf ok, moving on to next topic then
10:06 kf #topic Update on 3.8
10:06 Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.8 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:06 drojf i anounce i'm going to get tea water
10:06 kf you are too late, the topic has moved on
10:06 kf I think neither our RMaint nor our RM are here today, so I am moving forward if noone speaks up
10:07 slef it would be nice if short updates were left in the agenda if they can't make it
10:07 kf #topic Update 3.10
10:07 Topic for #koha is now Update 3.10 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:07 WaqarAzeem Hi, Is there any problem with 'debean' and ICU feature for multilanguage search indexing.
10:07 slef magnus++ for that reason
10:07 kf slef: agreed :)
10:07 kf WaqarAzeem: we are in a meeting right now - it shouldn't take long - maybe ask in a few minutes?
10:08 WaqarAzeem i followed and artical and got this error without any trance ... [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit
10:08 kf #topic Update on 3.12
10:08 Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.12 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:08 WaqarAzeem I am really sorry for this ...
10:08 kf Hm, maybe I could try and say a few things
10:08 kf just the usual reminder to add test plans and good descriptions to your patches
10:09 slef WaqarAzeem: no problems, but we want to concentrate on news for a few minutes, so ICU help a bit later probably.
10:09 kf and please keep signing off and testing
10:09 slef what's the situation with database updates?
10:09 kf I think so far 3.12 is moving along as planned, some bigger features have gone in too
10:09 * oleonard-away asks that everyone listen to kf and really do add test plans and good descriptions to patches!
10:09 kf slef: afaik you can see it in bugzilla
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10:09 kf the follow-ups still need sign-off I think
10:10 * oleonard didn't mean to be away
10:10 paul_p #info paul Poulain, BibLibre, France
10:10 paul_p (sorry for being a little bit late !
10:10 kf slef: the new system has been reverted, so for the time being, you just submit your patches with the updatedatabase bit
10:10 kf does that answer your question?
10:11 slef yeah pretty much. Anyone got the bug number?
10:11 drojf as someone who might be testing your patch, chances are higher with a test plan. and by higher i mean i might actually consider doing it
10:11 kf there are a lot linked to the main bug I think, look for database improvements
10:11 kf yes, and also you save a lot of time for testers and qa team
10:11 kf and time is really precious when it comes to shorten the list of things waiting for attention :)
10:12 slef by test plan you mean the comment with 1.2.3. and description of success/failure?
10:12 kf ther is doc on the wiki
10:12 kf oleonard: could you find it maybe for me? looking for the bug number
10:12 slef bug 7167
10:12 wahanui bug 7167 is commented out of control
10:12 kf #link[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167
10:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements
10:12 huginn Bug 7167: new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements
10:13 kf #info current discussion about the database update changes can be found in bugzilla - start with bug 7167
10:13 thd drojf: Would a test plan not be self evident as part of the comments in well written tests?
10:13 slef #link[…]lines#Description
10:13 slef perhaps
10:13 kf ah, i was thinking about
10:13 kf #link[…]i/Commit_messages
10:13 slef which reminds me... editing out "The application crashed."
10:14 paul_p the 7167 has a short follow-up, that should be not so hard to test, and it's a VERY handy improvement!
10:14 kf I think I woudl like to moove on to magnus's suggestion at this point
10:14 kf as it seems a good fit right now
10:14 slef kf: yeah I think we're proving magnus's motivation ;)
10:14 kf #topic A "Developer's handbook" on the wiki?
10:14 Topic for #koha is now A "Developer's handbook" on the wiki? (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:15 slef #vote Yes
10:15 slef ;)
10:15 kf #info proposal in the agenda:[…]g,_9_January_2013
10:15 kf who is against more documentation - not me :)
10:15 kf +1 from me too
10:15 oleonard Fleshing out the coding guidelines section, or incorporating it?
10:16 kf oleonard: I think he just wanted to bring all the links/pages together
10:16 drojf thd: i can test the functionality of a patch without reading the whole source code. five steps of "do 1, then 2, ... does x work?" are much faster to get thorugh than reading a lot of perl and comments. also non-developers might be testing things (like in a sandbox) and they will probably not touch the patch file at all
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10:16 thd +1 What could possibly be wrong with more documentation.
10:16 drojf yeah for documentation
10:16 drojf +1
10:16 kf I was not trying to manipulate the vote.. I think :)
10:16 slef let me know if/when I can return to test plans
10:17 kf oleonard: moving on ok for you?
10:17 jdattetakere +1
10:17 kathryn +1 from me too
10:17 paul_p +1 (who could vote -1 ?)
10:17 kf slef: if there is need to discuss, we can create a topic for that
10:17 thd Yes, I think I am confused about where test plans should go.
10:17 davidnind +1
10:17 kf but let's put it at the end, ok?
10:17 thd OK
10:18 kf #agreed votes are pro creating a 'developer's handbook' on the wiki :)
10:18 kf #topic KohaCon2013
10:18 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2013 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:18 mib_vwq7dj hi, I'm new in koha and ubuntu but.  i want to install koha on ubuntu server 12.04.01. Can you give me a step by step tutorial about how to install it
10:18 kf I am not aware of any news here, is someone present who knows more?
10:18 oleonard Also known as the Magical Mystery Con
10:18 drojf lol
10:19 slef would someone like to email the organisers and ask how it's going?
10:19 kf oleonard: ooh, do we get to wear costumes? ;)
10:19 kf I can do that
10:19 drojf the last few meetings it was "we are almost done with the hotel stuff"?
10:19 thd mib_vwg7di: someone will direct you to an appropriate resource after the meeting.
10:19 slef #action kf to email the organisers and ask how it's going
10:19 kf thx slef
10:19 drojf at tleast that is the last thing i remember about kohacon
10:20 slef (I think I'm allowed to use #action but only chair can use #agreed and #startvote)
10:20 kf ok, next topic... giving you a second to stop me
10:20 kf #topic Cleaning bugzilla
10:20 Topic for #koha is now Cleaning bugzilla (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:20 kf drojf: do you want tos a few words about your proposal?
10:21 drojf there is not much to say i think. we have a long backlog on bugzilla with stuff dating to 2009 (i closed all 2008)
10:21 kf drojf++ for that
10:21 drojf my proposal would be to close something like "all from 2009+2010" or something so we return to a useful bugtracker one day
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10:21 mib_vwq7dj please ask my question
10:21 slef I'm really hesitent about marking them WONTFIX as there are probably a few lurking there which we should still fix. The problem is finding the wood among the trees.
10:22 oleonard I agree with slef
10:22 drojf we would not lose the old entries, just mark them resolved/wontfix or something, with the option to reopen
10:22 kf mib_vwq7dj: we are currently holding a community meeting, please come back a bit later
10:22 thd drojf: Is there a way of distinguishing what was closed without full assessment?
10:22 kf I agree with slef too, but I think discussing this is good
10:22 slef mib_vwq7dj: look at INSTALL.ubuntu* in the downloads, or[…]ing_Koha_packages
10:22 drojf i dont know much about bugzilla, maybe we can add a reason? closed-automatically or something?
10:22 kf you can do bulk edits
10:22 oleonard What kind of bug would be a candidate for automatic closing?
10:23 kf and rangi can turn off mailing for this if you want that
10:23 slef mib_vwq7dj: sorry, wrong link:[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
10:23 kf maybe we could do it on a month to month basis in a joint effort?
10:23 thd oleonard: The proposal is bugs over some given age which concerns me unless they can be easily found.
10:23 kf like create a mail to the list ever 2 weeks or so with the oldest 50 bugs still open
10:24 kf and ask people to take a look and close or comment
10:24 drojf oleonard: i would close some things that are "old". maybe "all added/edited last 2009" for starters. a klot of that is imported from an old tracker, reported by people that do not work with us anymore
10:24 thd kf++
10:24 slef drojf: I think it would be pretty harmful to let people point at Koha and say "they say they won't fix $BUG, which is a horrible bug they've known about for years"
10:24 kf could be a saved search
10:24 kf once the list is done, pull up the next
10:24 drojf slef: that is what we do now
10:24 thd slef++
10:24 drojf but we dont tell
10:24 drojf i don't see how that is better
10:24 thd drojf--
10:24 slef drojf: no, we're just waiting until we get around to it.
10:25 drojf slef: we will never get around to it
10:25 slef drojf: I sympathise with the problem that they often get in the way.
10:25 oleonard thd: There is no reason to take karma from drojf
10:25 drojf unless a fairy drops a lot of time or money on us
10:25 kf I am torn between drojf and slef actually, I can se both points, but I think blindly closing feels wrong
10:25 slef kf: I'd actually go for 12 bugs every 6 days orsomething like that.
10:25 kf 20 every week? :)
10:26 kf not saying one alone has to do it
10:26 slef drojf: did your research find out how many are "old"?
10:26 drojf (and no, i am not a fan of blindly closing. if we can magane to look at a handful of old things every week, i would prefer that)
10:26 thd Bugs are sorted by date effectively.  Is date sorting not sufficient?
10:26 drojf slef: i had numbers, but not at home/not my computer. don't remember, but a few hundreds i think
10:27 paul_p kf & drojf = I also can suspend mails when bulkmodifying bugs
10:27 thd s/Bugs/Open bugs/
10:27 slef how long is reasonable for us to take to review the old bugs?
10:27 kf paul_p: thx for the info :)
10:27 * slef tries to construct a report
10:27 paul_p what about adding 1st a comment like "is this bug still valid with 3.10 ? in case of no feedback, this bug will be closed in X days"
10:28 thd paul_p++
10:28 kf yeah,b ut turning off mail for those might be pointless if you want a comment :)
10:28 oleonard I think we might be better served marking bugs as resolved which are really fixed
10:28 drojf i think i spent a few hours looking at 2008 bugs and checking if valid or not. that were... maybe 30? dont remember
10:28 kf oleonard++
10:28 slef paul_p: I hate it when debian does that. Results in lots of false closures.
10:28 paul_p kf = of course, I would do that for batch closing ;-)
10:28 oleonard I'm not sure what the benefit is of closing bugs which are still valid
10:28 kf ok, what I think
10:28 kf bulk closing needs a bigger group/some discussion on the mailing list before we do it
10:29 paul_p oleonard = the concern of drojf is that there are so much bugs open, that finding the ones that should really have our attention is impossible
10:29 kf because I woudl not feel comfortable deciding that right now
10:29 slef can I suggest
10:29 kf next meeting with a mail to the mailing list would be ok for me tho
10:29 oleonard paul_p: I think closing fixed bugs will help better than closing unfixed ones
10:29 thd oleonard: The issue is that many bugs are listed but no longer valid.
10:29 oleonard thd: Is that really the issue?
10:29 kf so maybe until then we could try and do some review process and see if that works
10:29 slef we do some form of kf's "N bugs a week" idea, get through all "old" bugs in 3(?) months, then reconsider bulk closures?
10:29 drojf oleonard: and they are not all valid. there is stuff "one person" reported, that person is not on bugzilla. we will never find out. there is stuff that is already fixed by other patches. i would not want to close it all if i knew it is all valid
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10:30 thd That is my understanding of the issue please correct me if I am mistaken.
10:30 paul_p oleonard I think that is because, if I want to fix a bug, I don't know which one to start with. And i'll choose a recent one, for sure. Thus old bugs will never be updated probably
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10:31 kf paul_p: nto sure that's true
10:31 slef 252 bugs are > 700 days since bug changed.
10:31 kf if a customer reports a bug, you should try seraching first, see if there is more information about the problemon bugzilla
10:31 kf then you can work from that
10:31 slef = about 2.8 bugs per day to get through them in 3 months
10:31 kf you might miss good hints otherwise and on top the original reporter gets feedback about the progress
10:32 Irma sorry all, I have to leave, one of my children just got engaged! Bye!!!
10:32 kf congratulations!
10:32 drojf slef: that sounds very do-able, if people really do it :)
10:32 thd We need some name better than won't fix for a designation for any prospective date based closing.
10:32 slef Irma: congratulations and bye
10:32 davidnind Maybe the next few bug squashing days could focus on reviewing the oldest ones first?
10:32 oleonard davidnind++
10:32 kf davidnind++ I like that idea
10:32 slef thd: I think we might have REMIND... checking
10:33 kf #idea next few bug squashing days could focus on reviewing the oldest bugs first
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10:33 oleonard slef: Setting "remind" didn't accomplish anything in the past when it was done
10:33 paul_p oleonard = for me, there are enough valid & known things to do to NOT focusing on old things that I don't know if they're still relevant
10:33 slef thd: yes, we have REMIND
10:33 kf #idea have a regular mail to the mailing list and a searched report with oldest n bugs for review
10:33 slef oleonard: oh sure, but it's a nicer automatic closure reason than WONTFIX
10:33 drojf if we source this out to only bug squashing days i assume that is not going anywhere far. or is that supposed to be a plus to a regular checking of old bugs?
10:33 thd The worst bugs as in most annoying but not blockers may be the oldest valid bugs but especially difficult to fix.
10:33 paul_p so I won't focus on those very old bugs (except for those affected to me, I already cleaned them a few weeks/months ago iirc)
10:34 kf drojf: I would say plus :)
10:34 oleonard paul_p: Going through old bugs would be a nice way to get folks involved who wouldn't submit patches for GBSD
10:34 drojf thd: but then you have discussions there on the bug
10:34 slef oleonard: from the documentation, "WONTFIX: The problem described is a bug which will never be fixed." which isn't really true if we're auto-closing with "please reopen if this is still a problem"
10:34 drojf and see they are active
10:34 slef drojf: would you be OK with RESOLVED REMIND instead of WONTFIX?
10:35 drojf slef: definitely
10:35 kathryn it might be poss to have the oldest bugs visible on the dashboard, if there's no objection to making old bugs more visible
10:35 paul_p +1 for RESO REMIND
10:35 drojf wontfix sounds cruel
10:35 kf kathryn: I think rangi already did something similar to that
10:35 kf let's check :)
10:35 kathryn I was just looking for it...but my eyes are tired!
10:35 slef drojf: hey don't blame me, you put it in your proposal
10:35 thd POSSIBLY RESOLVED REMIN would be better
10:35 kf kathryn: ah, oly for needs sign-off!
10:35 drojf slef: :)
10:36 kf #idea add oldest open bugs to koha's dashboard
10:36 kf it's late for you!
10:36 kf ok
10:36 oleonard oldest open bugs with enhancements filtered out please!
10:36 kf woudl someone volunteer to create a report/mail the mailing list?
10:36 thd slef: Do you not think that RESOLVED REMIND is as misleading as WONTFIX?
10:36 kf and yes,only bugs, not enhancements I would think
10:37 davidnind I don't thing automatic closing is a good idea - people have put effort and time into creating. The minimum that should be done is reviewing it. I guess the issue is how this is done...
10:37 paul_p +1 for only bugs in the dashboard
10:37 slef thd: it's still not great, so I'd still prefer to try the mailing old bugs to -devel idea first, but it's better than WONTFIX.
10:37 slef kf: I volunteer.
10:37 kf slef: thank you!
10:38 kf #action slef volunteers to mail the mailing list with old bugs to review
10:38 davidnind What does RESOLVE REMIND mean? Doesn't make any sense to me me (but I'm not a developer...)
10:38 slef I already have a script that does email and bugzilla.
10:38 kf slef: sounds perfect :)
10:38 slef davidnind: it's not actually defined in the bugzilla help... but I see it as "ask us about this again later if you care about it"
10:39 davidnind slef: thanks
10:39 kf hm good description, we should put that on the wiki somewhere maybe
10:39 oleonard I think all resolved remind does it possibly remind the original submitter since they should get an email notification of the change
10:39 thd The presumption of RESOLVED seems mistaken to me.  It should be unambiguously qualified.
10:39 oleonard But resolved remind wouldn't show up in searches, so how is it found by others?
10:39 slef thd: I look for improvements even in the possibilities I don't prefer.
10:40 slef oleonard: are you sure?
10:40 oleonard slef: No, I assume.
10:40 * slef tests
10:40 thd slef: What about POSSIBLY RESOLVED REMIND or some variant which is not certainly resolved.
10:40 kf resolved doesn't show up - I just tested
10:41 slef @query Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form
10:41 kf thd: I think we shouldn't invent so many new things in bugzilla
10:41 huginn slef: No results for "Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form."
10:41 paul_p (but oleonard = would adding a status (something like "old bug to verify if it's still valid") please you to avoid "RESO - REMIND" ?
10:41 kf thd: it gets painful
10:41 slef oleonard: you're correct
10:41 paul_p s/(but//
10:41 thd kf: What do you mean by does not show up?
10:41 slef that was bug 1634
10:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1634 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED REMIND, Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form
10:41 kf if you search for keywords, the bug does not show up if it's marked resolved
10:41 kf only if you specify your search to make then
10:41 kf or add ALL at the begining of your query
10:42 slef @query ALL Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form
10:42 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1634 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED REMIND, Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form
10:42 slef I did not know that.
10:42 paul_p but with ALL you'll also get RESO-FIXED & CLOSED, right ?
10:42 slef probably most users will want to do ALL searches, so they can see it was fixed in version 3.X.Y and know what they want to upgrade to
10:43 slef this should be publicised more
10:43 kf ok, I think we put down some ideas and have a plan to try out - could we agree on moving to the next topic?
10:43 slef </rant>
10:43 slef kf: yes, sorry boss.
10:43 kf just trying to make this not go forever :)
10:43 slef kf: yes, sorry boss.
10:43 drojf kf: sounds ok for me
10:43 kf drojf: are you ok witht hat, as it was your proposal?
10:43 kf ah, ok
10:44 drojf :)
10:44 kf #topic Actions from General IRC meeting, 5 December 2012
10:44 Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC meeting, 5 December 2012 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:44 kf not sure what goes here, someone?
10:44 drojf but... that was last year!
10:44 * slef scrabbles
10:44 * drojf hides
10:44 kf ok, the only action items I can see are:
10:44 kf people start thinking about if we have disabled any features by   default that shouldn't be
10:44 slef Action Items ------------ * people start thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be
10:45 kf so, have people thought about it? ;)
10:45 slef anyone been thinking deeply about Koha over the holidays? ;-)
10:45 kf I woudl like to see that as another reminder and encourage to file bugs if you have an idea :)
10:45 oleonard I still think the time travel feature is too dangerous to enable by default
10:45 slef #action people keep thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be
10:45 kf oleonard: agreed, but we should have the beamer/transporter activated
10:46 kf ok
10:46 kf test plans?
10:46 drojf ice
10:46 drojf icu
10:46 * drojf hides even more
10:46 kf # Test plans
10:47 kf drojf: I think we can't activate that by default as long as pakages don't support it as option
10:47 kf #topic Test plans
10:47 Topic for #koha is now Test plans (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
10:47 kf slef, thd?
10:47 thd Where do test plans go?
10:47 drojf kf: yes i actually mean the missing icu option in the packages
10:47 kf into the commit message
10:47 slef bug description/comments or commit messages?
10:47 kf #link[…]i/Commit_messages
10:48 slef I feel like I'd expect it in the bug description, not the commit messages.
10:48 kf see the example for a good commit message there
10:48 drojf i think jcamins_away would like to see them in the commit message
10:48 oleonard If you use git-bz to attach patches your test plan will appear in Bugzilla automatically with the commit message
10:48 kf slef: the problem is, they get rewritten, amended, etc. a lot, so it's quite hard to findon bugzilla
10:48 thd Can the commit message be arbitrarily long?
10:48 kf and I like to see in git how things work, test plans help with that there too
10:48 slef thd: yes
10:48 kf thd: I haven't heard someone reached a limit yet :) and I write pretty long commit messages when testing sometimes
10:49 kf I think if you have something really big, you could put a link to a wiki page
10:49 paul_p slef = hélas, as long as it's impossible to update description, we can't rely on the bug description, because the test plan changes between initial submission of the bug & the patch !
10:49 drojf if it is huge, have an rfc or something?
10:49 slef Shouldn't a test plan should pertain to a bug, not to a patch?
10:49 kf drojf: yep, that's what I think too
10:49 kf and paul_p: agreed
10:49 oleonard The test plan tells QA how to test the patch slef
10:50 slef paul_p: last test plan wins?
10:50 paul_p slef yep ;-)
10:50 kf slef: often you find more problems ... than you initially thought there were
10:50 thd slef: Test plans should relate to both a bug and a patch.
10:50 oleonard Please keep in mind that the guidelines have already been set by the RM, so this discussion shouldn't be about whether to change it
10:50 kf and some patches for one feature also endanger other parts, so test plans need to be a bit bigger
10:50 kf oleonard++
10:50 slef oleonard: ok.
10:50 kf and jcamins++ for good instructions :)
10:51 slef oleonard: so one of the workflow and the commit messages wiki page is probably wrong, or do we want N(patches)+1 test plans for each bug?
10:51 kf I think test plan describes more than one test
10:51 kf a series of steps and tests to do
10:52 oleonard The commit messages page should be considered the official version at this time. I don't know what other pages conflict with that advice
10:52 ColinC Danger is lots of commit messages currently do not tell you what change they introduce
10:53 slef oleonard:[…]lines#Description
10:53 * kf nods
10:53 slef oleonard: not conflict exactly, but seems to duplicate
10:53 kf ColinC: and it's taking too much time to find out
10:53 oleonard Bug reporting is separate from commit messages I think
10:54 kf yes, bug reporting is for everyone, we can help people there, also new developers
10:54 slef kf: and[…]i/Commit_messages doesn't tell people to say what changes they introduce.
10:54 kf but I think haveing soe guidelines is good and makes you think about what you do even
10:54 kf A description of what problem the bug addresses, or what feature it adds.
10:54 kf bug/feature description
10:55 slef #link[…]le-of-Change-Logs
10:55 oleonard You're right slef, and it should
10:55 kf so more from the code side of things?
10:55 slef #info that's not perfect for us, as it doesn't include the bug/feature summary, which is one thing we do better, but it does show how to describe the change fully
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10:57 slef kf: I think that's what ColinC was driving at, but he'd have to confirm.
10:57 slef Can I also grumble about blank wiki commit messages here? ;-)
10:57 kf slef: thought you already did recently :)
10:57 drojf again? :P
10:57 slef hehe
10:58 kf I am all for documentation
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10:58 kf so maybe we could amend that it should also contain developer like descriptions of changes?
10:58 kf as well as functional description?
10:59 slef ok, final query from me on this: in the most common case (test plan from bugzilla still applies), should I repaste the test plan from the bugzilla, or write "see bugzilla"?
10:59 kf repaste
10:59 oleonard slef: Because someone may not be looking at Bugzilla, just applying patches using git-bz
11:00 kf you never know what happens on bugzilla between you putting the patch there and me or somene else looking at it
11:00 drojf +1 for repaste. more load on bugzilla but the latest infos in the latest entry
11:00 slef oleonard: if they're not looking at Bugzilla, how do they know if the patch fixes the bug?
11:00 * slef boggles
11:00 kf it's all in the commit
11:00 kf message
11:00 kf ideally
11:01 slef the commit message could be fibbing
11:01 oleonard slef: RM or QA looking at Bugzilla emails for instance?
11:01 kf oh yes
11:01 slef and anyway, you still have to look at Bugzilla to mark it "Signed Off"
11:01 slef s/fibbing/misunderstanding the bug report
11:01 kf I have to read a gazillion of mails lately and more than happy to get a complete picture
11:01 oleonard slef: git-bz!
11:01 kf git-bz++
11:01 ColinC and it may not mention the other two bugs it inadvertantly fixed or the three it introduced
11:01 kf ColinC: that's true
11:02 slef oleonard: has someone extended it to edit the bugzilla fields and not bothered to send a pull request?
11:02 kf you can't see relations betwee bugs (yet)
11:02 kf slef: there is a git-bz repo on kc-org now
11:02 drojf forkers :P
11:03 kf ok, anything that should be added to the minutes? #info etc?
11:03 thd paul_p: I think that your proposal to change bug status without necessarily changing resolution is much better than some hybrid non-standard resolution.
11:04 slef kf: was that announced and I just missed it?
11:05 kf slef: I am not sure
11:05 drojf i didn't know
11:05 drojf but that does not mean anything
11:05 slef ohhhh I see
11:05 * thd about to be involuntarily disconnected
11:05 kf #link[…]-bz.git;a=summary
11:05 slef people set up a repo on k-c because I wasn't including koha-specific changes (as I actually use git-bz for other things)
11:06 slef ?
11:06 kf maybe just set one pu because it's flexible
11:06 kf and a central place
11:07 drojf "Teach git-bz to optionally sign off when applying patches ... DO NOT USE THIS OPTION AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO ACTUALLY TESTING CODE."
11:07 * drojf giggles
11:07 slef argh, and it hardcodes koha-patches@...
11:07 kf we have reached an hour now - i would like to sset the date/time for next meeting
11:08 davidnind 6 February 2:00? (previous meetings: 7 Nov - 2:00, 5 Dec - 18:00, 9 Jan - 10:00)
11:08 kf #topic Time/date for next meeting
11:08 Topic for #koha is now Time/date for next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting)
11:08 drojf ah, the evil time. go nuts with the date, will be in bed :)
11:08 kf same here
11:09 kf davidnind: thx for looking upt eh times .)
11:09 kf davidnind++
11:09 slef slackers ;)
11:09 kathryn evil must mean happy for me :)
11:09 kf and noone who will be awake then is here?
11:09 kf I think something like 3/4 pm for you
11:09 kf iirc
11:09 slef 6 Feb looks ok to me at the mo
11:10 kathryn oh! 6 feb is public holiday in NZ so not ideal
11:10 drojf oh. maybe better take a week later then
11:10 kf kathryn: would 7th be ok?
11:10 slef kathryn: move by a day or two weeks?
11:10 kf I think having another meeting sooner is better, not postpone it too long
11:11 oleonard That time is okay for me, but if it's bad for everyone else let's not do it then
11:11 slef or you can go for 13th if you don't mind me missing
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11:11 kathryn day either side is no worries for the Catalyst lot so far as I know :)
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11:11 slef 7th?
11:11 wahanui 7th is worth a try
11:11 drojf oleonard: only bad for everyone else that likes today's time ;)
11:11 slef thanks wahanui
11:11 davidnind happy with day either side
11:11 kf I never got to be friends with the new meeting times
11:12 JDatTeTakere 7th is good
11:12 thd` 7th is better for being well after ALA midwinter.
11:12 kf ok, 7th
11:12 slef wahanui: gerundio's stomach?
11:12 wahanui gerundio's stomach is complaining too much
11:12 kf #info Next meeting is 7 February 2:00 UTC
11:12 kathryn (13th is fine too)
11:12 kf hope that was right
11:12 kf :)
11:12 davidnind kf++
11:12 kf #endmeeting
11:12 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 9 January 2013, at 10:00 UTC
11:12 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jan  9 11:11:16 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)
11:12 huginn Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-01-09-10.01.html
11:12 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-01-09-10.01.txt
11:12 huginn Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-10.01.log.html
11:13 kf thx all for being here - now back to work/bed! :)
11:13 paul_p bye all
11:13 drojf kf++
11:13 * oleonard returns to his breakfast
11:13 kathryn thanks kf, bye all
11:13 JDatTeTakere zzzzz...bed it in 8 hours.
11:14 davidnind thanks kf for chairing, off to bed (midnight here in NZ)
11:14 kf sleep well nzers :)
11:14 kathryn nightie night!
11:14 drojf maybe we should have a deadline for news about kohacon or else give it to the second location? :P
11:15 slef updated[…]g,_9_January_2013
11:15 slef Would someone else create the next meeting page, please?
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11:15 oleonard See you all in a couple of hours
11:16 slef so, where do I report bugs in the k-c git-bz?
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11:18 slef 3.12 RM?
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11:18 slef wahanui: RM?
11:18 wahanui RM is busy :) or paul_p
11:22 kf this was a horrible time for US - maybe not fair
11:22 kf forget RM
11:22 wahanui kf: I forgot rm
11:22 kf RM is jcamins
11:22 kf RM?
11:22 wahanui i think RM is jcamins
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11:25 Brooke o/
11:26 kf hi Brooke
11:26 Brooke Wie geht's?
11:27 kf gut
11:27 kf und dir?
11:27 Brooke nicht so gut aber
11:28 slef Toll! Ein Anderes Macht's!
11:28 kf team?
11:28 slef I just spotted another action not noted as an #action in the minutes of December's meeting.
11:29 kf oh
11:29 kf I didn't chair that :P
11:29 kf well not fair, I didn't chair because Iforgot.. and would probably have forgot that too
11:29 slef 18:44:51 <cait> i think if we advertise this [GPLv3 change], anyone intersted can show up next meeting
11:29 kf ah
11:29 Brooke heh, if you had a haypenny for each instance that happened, you'd be rich :P
11:29 slef kf: sorry you don't escape that easy ;)
11:29 kf it wasn't done becuse we already voted
11:29 kf that very meeting
11:29 slef Brooke: ha'penny = halfpenny, FWIW
11:29 Brooke yep
11:29 slef kf: oic. context fail.
11:30 Brooke that ended up being removed from the wiki agenda, also
11:32 slef mmmm so is it left for jcamins_away to drive?
11:35 kf slef: ?
11:36 slef the licence change
11:38 kf I think it will be done on release probably
11:53 slef kf: UK ICO backed down on implementing the cookie consent directive, so we stopped working on it.
11:56 kf slef: seems it's a topic for spain/portugal now
11:57 slef kf: oh right. Do you think they'll implement strict consent?
12:00 kf don't know
12:01 kf you should ask gerundio maybe
12:14 vfernandes meeting is over?
12:18 kf vfernandes: yes
12:19 kf there are minutes on the wiki
12:21 vfernandes one question: it's possible to have links in SQL reports
12:24 kf vfernandes: yes
12:25 kf there is an example on the reports page I think
12:25 kf reports library?
12:25 wahanui reports library is probably found at[…]L_Reports_Library
12:25 kf you use concat + html
12:25 kf concat('<a href....',biblionumber,'...)
12:25 kf it's very handy
12:27 vfernandes hummm thanks a lot kf
12:28 kf here is a full example:[…]rts_Library#Links
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12:49 vfernandes works fine :)
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12:53 slef so if we'd need to check about 2.8 old bugs per day to get through them in 3 months, how many would you like me to email out how often?
12:54 kf slef: I think something like weekly maybe
12:55 kf but opinions might differe here :)
12:55 kf and 30?
12:55 kf 25?
12:55 slef 2.8 * 7 = 19.6
12:55 kf I was hoping to get it done faster :)
12:55 kf 2.8*7
12:55 kf wahanui: 2.8*7
12:55 wahanui 19.6
12:56 slef I'd also go for something other than 7 so that it changes day each time
12:56 slef and I'll probably vary the sending time too
12:56 kf oh
12:56 slef if the batches get too big, will they all get checked?
12:56 kf :)
12:56 drojf you could vary the subject too. promise people stuff. free ipad, viagra...
12:56 kf drojf: lol
12:57 slef and do we think multiple people will check each one?
12:57 drojf -1 for multiple people checking single ancient bugs
12:58 kf slef: hm yeah, that's why a searched list would have been nice, can see what drops of by modification date
12:58 kf drops off
13:00 slef drojf: yeah but how do we stop it?
13:01 kf encourage people to reply to the mail with a new list minus worked on bugs?
13:01 kf not ideal.
13:01 drojf how many people do we realistically think will work on that? and how many of those do not hang around here?
13:02 drojf maybe a "i'll take a look at old_bug_number" on irc is enough?
13:02 drojf or some etherpad thingy like we had at gbsd sometimes
13:06 drojf or we spend 3 months writing a ticket system to hand out old bugs one by one ;)
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13:12 slef irc or etherpad should suffice
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13:15 oleonard Hi again #koha
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13:16 oleonard jcamins: Did you get the list of things we volunteered you to do during the meeting?
13:16 jcamins oleonard: I'm looking for the minutes now.
13:16 oleonard It's around here somewhere. Really long and complicated.
13:17 drojf "do all the things"
13:17 drojf wasn't that long
13:17 jcamins Heh.
13:17 oleonard That's the one.
13:17 jcamins Good, nothing of import.
13:19 slef how about this lead-in text: "Would you check some of these rather old bugs to suggest what to do, please? Ideally, tell #koha know that you're looking at a bug."
13:20 drojf i like it
13:21 jcamins Sounds good.
13:21 jwagner There was a meeting?
13:22 jcamins And, thd, the reason test plans are absolutely mandatory is that the RM is not going to read through a patch to see what it does, whether or not it would be trivial.
13:23 jcamins jwagner: yeah, oleonard sent a message to the mailing list yesterday.
13:23 * jwagner goes to look
13:23 slef jcamins: that wasn't the debate AIUI.
13:24 slef jcamins: it was why test plans should be repeated in the commit message rather than left on bz.
13:24 jcamins slef: see the above explanation.
13:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8977' into 3.12-master <[…]ecfb0c5e8a23b8af5>
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13:24 oleonard I created a basic wiki page for the next meeting with stock agenda items. Please feel free to edit, everyone.
13:24 oleonard[…],_7_February_2013
13:25 drojf oleonard++
13:26 drojf oh, it says kohacon. i'm excited
13:26 slef jcamins: but the commit message could be for a patch that misunderstands the bug report and so on. I feel QA should look at bz and RMs should read through patches, which is probably why I've not stood for those roles.
13:26 oleonard drojf++ # because we don't downvote people for their opinions around here
13:26 slef wahanui: 2.8*6
13:26 wahanui 16.8
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13:26 jcamins slef: I read through the patches, and I remove bugzilla.
13:27 slef jcamins: remove bugzilla?
13:27 jcamins *read through
13:27 jcamins However, as long as no one is paying me one red cent, I am not spending hours trying to figure out what the patches are _for_ or how to test them.
13:27 slef yay autocomplete
13:27 oleonard Has anyone put together or found a saved Bugzilla search showing what bugs might be covered in a proposed mass closing?
13:28 jcamins My time is much better spent actually testing things.
13:28 slef oh sure I know it's all about reducing the load
13:28 slef oleonard: yes
13:28 slef oleonard:[…]t=advanced&v1=700 might be it
13:28 slef not saved yet tbh
13:29 slef if I save it, can I access it with a shorter URL?
13:29 oleonard Not much shorter, but you can share it with others
13:29 * slef tries
13:29 oleonard ...inside Bugzilla
13:29 slef[…]medcmd=old%20bugs
13:29 slef how do I share it?
13:30 slef that doesn't work if I'm not logged in
13:31 slef ah Preferences: Saved Searches
13:31 slef still doesn't work from scripts :-/
13:31 slef is it possible to make them public?
13:34 jcamins Oh dear. Sounds like the flooring in Te Tekare buckled.
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13:34 slef jcamins: which is Te Tekare?
13:34 jcamins Jo's new library.
13:34 slef not built on rubber blocks then? :-/
13:35 jcamins Apparently not.
13:36 oleonard drojf: That right, the "academic" version has never been open
13:37 drojf interesting. so what is between us and the software freedom law center?
13:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #1005 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:38 jcamins Agreement from more developers, I think.
13:38 H Problem ---- all my search result dissapeared afther reindexing ? anny tips what that could be the indexing did not give an error before i could search my data aftherwards it was gone (koha 3.8.7)
13:39 slef drojf: SFLC is an advice centre. I think thd-away asked them for advice in the past.
13:39 oleonard And the notion that if they're "sharing" the code with the sponsoring library that counts?
13:39 jcamins H: sounds like you might have run rebuild_zebra as the wrong user... what user did you use?
13:39 jcamins oleonard: that's what AGPL is for.
13:40 H koha user
13:40 wahanui koha user is probably who should own the files after install (or some user that does most definitely not have root privileges)
13:40 slef s/is for/is claimed to be for/
13:41 jcamins Whatever.
13:42 slef ok, first attempt at old bugs report emailed
13:42 slef let me know what you think
13:43 H
13:43 drojf oleonard: i doubt there is only liblime code in it so that does not make sense to me. re-use gpl code, be gpl, put source code on website for download. or use crazy own licence, don't use gpl code of others
13:44 jcamins Myshking is walking back and forth on my desk hitting my chin with his forehead every time he passes.
13:44 oleonard drojf: That is the result of thinking like a sane and rational person.
13:44 drojf slef: SFLC provided lawyers for some cases
13:44 oleonard drojf: Now try thinking like Smeagol.
13:44 drojf oleonard: ah, that problem again ;)
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13:45 drojf The Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) is an organization that provides pro bono legal representation and related services to not-for-profit developers of free software/open source software
13:45 jcamins H: did anything change between the last time it worked and now?
13:46 drojf what are "not for profit" developers?
13:46 drojf people that work for free?
13:46 drojf or people that develop (and get paid) and put out the software for free
13:46 H i did add a bulk off data first
13:47 H then to make sure it was indexed i did do the re indexing
13:47 H result empty screen
13:48 jcamins Oh, so there was no output from running rebuild_zebra?
13:49 H yes was ok
13:50 H
13:51 slef drojf: so what did you mean "what is between us and the [SFLC]"?
13:52 slef drojf: and yes, "not for profit" is an ambiguity people can (and do) drive trucks through.
13:53 slef drojf: like, if you pay your chief exec a million euros a year but don't distribute any dividend to shareholders, you can claim to be "not for profit".
13:56 drojf understanding that koha is licensed under gpl and ll academic koha is licensed under ihavenoidea but uses gpl code i was wondering if that isn't exactly the kind of dispute the SFLC was created for
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13:57 oleonard Hi libsysguy, you're looking well-rested ;)
13:58 libsysguy I feel well rested
13:58 slef drojf: yes but you'd need a ll academic koha purchaser to request the source code. Compare with GPL-Violations handling of routers.
13:58 libsysguy my cat was late to wake me up
13:59 slef drojf: AGPL debatably helps slightly with such cases, as it allows any user (and not only the server buyer) to request it, but it brings too many other complications for my taste.
14:00 drojf slef: i assumed you would need a koha developer that knows his source code is used
14:00 slef drojf: that too
14:01 drojf i don't think anyone who knows the slightest about free software would purchase ll academic
14:01 slef drojf: as we are the ones who can hold them to the licence or seek damages for infringement of our copyright, but we still need some licensee to try and fail to obtain source from their upstream ll
14:02 slef drojf: s/free//
14:02 slef drojf: but hey, this is a market for lemons :(
14:03 drojf as a creator of free software you cannot yourself request the license being respected (as in "show me the source code you used it in")?
14:04 drojf (or even "put that source code on your website for everyone to see")
14:06 kf H: is your zebrasrv running?
14:06 kf never mind...broken scrolling again
14:07 jcamins Actually, I was about to ask that.
14:07 drojf scrolling does not "break"
14:07 jcamins H: could you please confirm that zebrasrv is running?
14:07 drojf or, how does scrolling break??
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14:08 kf drojf: wasn't the difference that they don't give the code to anyone but do only host? (no external servers?)
14:09 H yes
14:09 kf drojf: it stops autoscrolling
14:09 kf so I miss there is more to read
14:09 H was testing sorry
14:09 drojf kf: oh, just stops? that's odd
14:10 drojf kf: ah, now i understand. they say it is cloudbased and people do not install it themselves
14:12 drojf sorry, slow brain
14:13 jcamins To check, run `ps aux | grep zebrasrv`
14:14 slef pgrep zebrasrv
14:15 H ok did not wanna spawn
14:15 slef found bug, fixed bug, resent old bug report
14:15 drojf slef: what do you mean by complication AGPL brings?
14:15 drojf complications even
14:16 H
14:16 slef drojf: no, licensors cannot force publication and only disclosure to themselves if they are also a licensee of the modified version.
14:16 slef drojf: the licensor's freedom to swing their arms stops at the licensee's noses.
14:17 jcamins H: that looks right to me, but you might try restarting Zebra.
14:17 jcamins H: how did you install Koha?
14:17 slef drojf: costs of downloading by all users, plus a couple of ambiguities in the licence - that's what the co-operative exceptions are intended to mitigate.
14:18 H on that server manualy i had some help in the chat here (not with packages)
14:18 jcamins In that case, you can restart Zebra with
14:19 H not found
14:19 H probably need a path
14:19 jcamins Yeah, I'm not sure where it is.
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14:21 slef oleonard: what's your bugzilla email address?
14:21 H ok he did restart
14:22 H sudo /usr/share/koha/bin/ restart Restarting the Zebra Server
14:22 H reindexing again ?
14:22 slef found it nm
14:23 jcamins You shouldn't need to reindex again. Do another search.
14:23 oleonard slef:
14:23 kf slef++ for the mail
14:23 slef old bug 3707 updated
14:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page
14:24 slef is the Patron Reading History Paginated these days?
14:25 H still nothing
14:25 wahanui i heard nothing was a requirement, we have guidelines though
14:25 H does the fact that i dont use the default framework for import has some influence ?
14:25 jcamins Hm.
14:25 jcamins It shouldn't.
14:25 oleonard In the staff client it is paginated via JS plugin slef
14:25 jcamins I can't figure out why it would have suddenly just stopped working.
14:26 H reimport and try again ?
14:26 H but i had the problem before
14:26 slef updating[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2647
14:26 huginn Bug 2647: enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make Patron Reading History be Paginated
14:26 jcamins I thought this was a new problem?
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14:26 H i tried a few times
14:26 H it always dissapear afther indexing
14:27 slef oleonard: any idea on the OPAC?
14:27 jcamins In that case, I think perhaps your records are corrupted.
14:27 kf customuzing templates?
14:27 H yes
14:27 slef kf: should have been customising
14:27 oleonard slef: It is not in the OPAC
14:27 kf slef: that's a really bad idea you know
14:27 kf the typo was mine
14:28 slef kf: but still possible. We should support child themes if we don't already but I'm not even going to suggest that one.
14:28 kf for translations and for updates - because you will need to maintain your own po files too
14:28 kf yeah, but it's even more horrible if you have more than one language to maintain
14:28 H ok i keep searching maybe i find a sollution
14:29 kf and all our customers are at least using German and English
14:29 slef kf: oh actually they'd be better off doing that as a en-XX language and merging in updates from en-GB or whatever.
14:29 kf ?
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14:29 slef kf: if they want to use odd language, define their own po file containing the odd language.
14:30 kf we don't use custom po files
14:30 kf but if you mess with the templates, you would have to
14:30 slef it would be better to not mess with the templates and still create a custom po file, no?
14:31 kf why would youwant a custom po? it's nightmarish :)
14:32 oleonard kf: Not if you're just changing certain sections of an existing translation, no?
14:32 * oleonard has never tried it
14:32 slef kf: purely to fix what they perceive as bug 3707
14:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page
14:33 slef would I be right to say that the WONTFIX that by adding a system preference?
14:33 slef ...that we WONTFIX...
14:34 slef has the label printer been changed since 2008-08-09?
14:34 slef (I'm looking at bug 2499)
14:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed
14:34 oleonard chris_n doesn't seem to be interested in working on that anymore
14:34 kf oleonard: it's doable, but you will have to think about the change every time you update koha
14:34 kf oleonard: and especially in that place, every library wants their own text
14:36 oleonard Maybe jwagner can provide a rebased patch for Bug 3474
14:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Handling of and report for expired or cancelled holds, display expiration dates
14:37 slef e751044 f4d4622 6860310
14:38 slef 9755514
14:38 slef so the new label creator was summer 2009
14:38 slef updating the bug
14:39 kf oleonard: hm not sure, but hasn't that seen some changes since?
14:39 oleonard kf: holds expirations?
14:39 kf forget it, I am tired today
14:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1005: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1005/
14:42 jenkins_koha stephane.delaune: Bug 8977:replace unitialized directory var in printoverdues
14:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8977 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , call an uninitialized variable
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15:01 nengard hi all, i'm trying to find the new GetMarcNotes preference but I don't see it ? I didn't have the new File::Find::Rule Perl module (I must have installed it on my other computer not this one) until now ? was that needed to get Koha to prompt me for a db upgrade?
15:01 nengard bug 9162
15:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9162 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Add a system preference to set which notes fields appears on title notes/description separator
15:02 nengard oh look the pref name is wrong
15:02 nengard NotesBlacklist
15:02 jcamins File::Find::Rule isn't actually required anymore.
15:02 jcamins I should remove it from the list.
15:03 nengard oh okay
15:03 nengard jcamins the commit message on the bug has the wrong preference name
15:03 nengard just fyi for the release notes
15:03 jcamins It doesn't list the preference name.
15:04 nengard in the commit body it does
15:04 jcamins No it doesn't. That's the name of the routine that retrieves MARC notes.
15:04 nengard oh ?. well that's confusing
15:04 nengard okay
15:05 jcamins This is why newer patches are required to have detailed commit messages.
15:19 chris_n oleonard: kf is correct, text wrapping is a moving target
15:20 chris_n what I wrote works in "most" cases, but can get messy
15:22 kf huh?
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15:23 chris_n <oleonard> chris_n doesn't seem to be interested in working on that anymore
15:23 chris_n <kf> oleonard: it's doable, but you will have to think about the change every time you update koha
15:23 chris_n <kf> oleonard: and especially in that place, every library wants their own text
15:23 oleonard chris_n: That was in regards to custom translations
15:23 chris_n or did I splice together two unrelated threads of conversation? :-P
15:23 kf maybe
15:23 chris_n in any case, that's the long and short of it
15:24 kf not sure where to sort in text wrapping
15:24 chris_n text wrapping depends on lots of parameters which the current code does not account for
15:24 chris_n but it works in "most" cases, as I said
15:25 kf text wrapping of what?
15:25 chris_n at this point it will take time+money to fix (with emphasis on time)
15:25 chris_n labels text
15:25 kf oh
15:25 chris_n particularly title fields
15:25 kf I wasn't talking about labels
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15:29 chris_n since the catalogers within who's reach I dwell seem relatively content atm, it just remained at the bottom of my filo todo buffer
15:29 jatara Hi, all. Have a question if you have a minute.
15:29 * chris_n wonders briefly about the plural possessive of who
15:30 jcamins "whose"
15:30 jcamins jatara: go ahead and ask your question. If someone can help, they will.
15:30 chris_n I hate irregular words
15:31 jatara I'm trying to add links to reports to our news section. Problem is, the links work fine when I'm viewing the table of news items in the tools section, but they return 404 errors when you click on the links directly from the news item.
15:32 oleonard jatara: Sounds like a problem with the path in the link
15:32 oleonard jatara: Is it a root-relative or fully-qualified URL?
15:32 jatara fully qualified
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15:33 oleonard How do the links differ in each place? You can try copying the link and pasting them to compare (since the 404 error rewrites the location)
15:36 jatara ohhh...that's interesting
15:37 jatara what it SHOULD be:[…]n%20this%20report
15:37 jatara what i see on the news item:[…]n%20this%20report
15:38 jatara how is that possible? I used the news interface to add this link.
15:38 jatara and if i go to the news interface, it works fine (link #1)
15:38 jcamins Sounds like a relative rather than absolute URL.
15:38 oleonard Are you looking at the rich text version? Perhaps check the source in the news editor?
15:39 oleonard (click the "html" button)
15:41 jatara That worked! I cut and pasted the full URL, not realizing that the software was going to truncate my entry. The truncating process went a little too far, but everything works now.
15:42 jatara Thank you!
15:42 oleonard You're welcome
15:48 nengard kf you said bywater site was slow for you before - is it better now that we upgraded?
15:50 oleonard Seems speedy to me nengard, FWIW
15:50 nengard yeah it does to me too!
15:50 nengard Loving it
15:50 nengard :)
15:51 kf nengard: I will try :)
15:51 kf nengard: a bit
15:51 kf but it might not be the website itself, but something with networks
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16:08 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 7 February 2013, at 2:00 UTC
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16:11 slef chris_n: kitten kebabs are irregular words
16:30 gmcharlt kitten kebabs?  scrollback must be *very* interesting
16:41 vfernandes people what you think about this new OPAC design?
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16:42 oleonard Looks great vfernandes
16:42 jcamins vfernandes: nice!
16:42 jcamins Hi, sekjal.
16:42 sekjal hi, jcamins
16:42 kf yes, looks nice .)
16:42 gmcharlt vfernandes:  looks very nice indeed
16:42 jatara When I create a new report, is there a way to increase the number of rows displayed on the screen. I want to be able to see all my results on one page
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16:42 vfernandes I can't see no more CSS :D
16:45 sekjal quite the auspicious day:  happy birthday paul_p, bag and libsysguy!
16:45 libsysguy indeed
16:45 libsysguy and thank you
16:45 bag hey sekjal
16:45 bag THANKS!
16:46 oleonard Happy birthday to the three of you. We got you each one third of a cake!
16:46 bag how you been sekjal ?
16:46 gmcharlt wow
16:46 gmcharlt happy birthday!
16:46 sekjal bag:  doing alright. starting to get into some open hardware projects
16:46 paul_p sekjal  thanks
16:47 gmcharlt (while the cats the away, the mice will play - I've fixed the needs signoff link on the dashboard)
16:47 bag thanks oleonard and gmcharlt
16:47 * libsysguy doesn't like this cake sharing idea oleonard
16:47 paul_p bag = happy birthday !
16:47 bag hey there is paul_p - happy birthday to you!
16:47 libsysguy happy bday paul_p and bag
16:47 paul_p libsysguy = it's your birthday to ? wow, should we ask this requirement to be a QA team member ? :D
16:47 sekjal I propose we make today some kind of official Koha-liday
16:47 bag heh
16:48 paul_p happy birthday libsysguy
16:48 libsysguy I think on you're cake day all your patches pass!!
16:48 jcamins Yes, I suggest that it be International QAing Day!
16:48 nengard hehe
16:48 paul_p a (real life joke) = yesterday, my wife bought for me a ... anti-aging cream. Nice birthday gift :\ (I'm 45 today)
16:49 bag HA
16:49 libsysguy HA
16:49 slef sekjal has been scaring rails users ;)
16:49 gmcharlt paul_p_wife++ ;)
16:49 libsysguy Anna got me a new kitchen sink
16:49 paul_p sophie (our support team manager) told me this morning "it's a prevention measure Paul, don't worry" :D
16:49 libsysguy I'll take it over any wrinkle cream
16:49 jcamins lol
16:49 jcamins Looks like I may be getting a new kitchen floor soon.
16:50 libsysguy really?
16:50 jcamins Yeah.
16:50 libsysguy what are you putting in?
16:50 jcamins Our upstairs neighbor flooded our kitchen Thursday night.
16:50 libsysguy and didn't the bathtub get ruined too ;)
16:50 sekjal slef: if only I could scare folks away from Ruby on Rails entirely....
16:50 * sekjal is not a fan
16:50 jcamins The insurance adjuster came, looked around and said "right, the entire floor has got to go."
16:50 jcamins Stupid laminate that traps moisture underneath it.
16:51 jcamins Yeah, but the bathtub problems predated our insurance policy.
16:51 libsysguy damn
16:52 Dyrcona sekjal: Just tell them jcamins story, but say Ruby on Rails caused it.
16:53 jcamins lol
16:55 rambutan Happy Birthday to the Three!
16:56 rambutan sekjal: doing anything with 3D printers (open hardware)?
16:56 sekjal rambutan:  a friend has purchased one, so I'm pondering what to commission
16:56 sekjal my library may also be considering one
16:56 rambutan we're trying to get into the biz
16:56 jcamins sekjal: ... something that runs Koha? :)
16:57 rambutan you could print a Pi case, and run Koha on it
16:57 sekjal though given the amount of work my friend has to do to get his Replicator 2 to run, we may need a dedicated staff member
16:57 sekjal rambutan:  yes!
16:57 slef a koru-shaped Pi case?
16:58 rambutan that might look cool?
16:59 sekjal I'm sure there could be something neat done with Arduinos in the stacks... perhaps emitting some kind of homing signal?
17:01 sekjal write a mobile app that can listen to pings coming from the Arduino, so you can guide a person to a book...
17:01 jatara Is there a way I can increase the number of results (rows) from a report on my screen?
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17:04 oleonard jatara: I don't think so
17:05 oleonard jatara: For printing?
17:05 jatara Yes, for printing
17:05 jatara don't want to page through the rows..just have them all on one screen
17:07 oleonard jatara: The CSV download option won't work for you?
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17:08 jatara It works fine, but our librarians prefer to be able to print the whole thing out without having to go through that extra step.
17:09 oleonard The reports system is designed to prevent the possibility of returning a result set so large that it would crash your browser
17:12 jatara I can understand that. I just want to be able to retrieve a result set of no more than 50-60 and have them display on the same page.
17:15 oleonard sorry, I don't think it's possible without changing the way Koha works.
17:19 reiveune bye
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17:20 jatara Thanks so much.
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17:36 slef oleonard: so it would be an enhancement request?
17:36 * slef runs
17:37 oleonard It certainly could be.
17:37 * oleonard has no problem with enhancement requests
17:42 jatara Yep...enhancement request. Will send to our support company.
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18:00 sekjal gtg; NISO webinar
18:02 * oleonard reminds sekjal too late to B his OB
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18:22 Shane-S I am having issue with the label maker for barcodes, the PDFs are coming up invalid. Just started happening today, I restarted the server and still have this issue Koha Version:
18:23 Shane-S Anything I can try or check, it generates the PDF but adobe and Sumatra PDF readers error on the file. I can upload the file somewhere if need be
18:29 chris_n Shane-S: open the corrupt pdf in a text editor and paste the error
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18:33 rambutan Koha In the log viewer, when I click on an Item under the info column which has no associated transaction number...
18:33 rambutan I get "Software error: Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 1396."
18:33 rambutan I don't see this listed as a known bug, am I missing it?
18:34 rambutan selecting an item with a transaction number (is that what it is?) does work as expected
18:34 jcamins rambutan: I don't recall hearing a bug like that.
18:34 jcamins Those should be item/biblio numbers.
18:36 rambutan ah, correct
18:40 rambutan[…]es/213/circ1.png/
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18:41 jcamins Maybe those are items you have deaccessioned?
18:41 jcamins That looks really weird.
18:41 rambutan but in any event that error message should be more informative
18:42 jcamins Agreed, but I have no idea why there's an error message at all.
18:42 jcamins And I was wrong, because there are five entries for 10135, and only one of them is missing a barcode.
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18:47 Shane-S chris_n: Wide character in compress at /usr/share/perl5/PDF/ line 819
18:47 Shane-S sorry ti took me so long got interrupted
18:48 chris_n it looks like you are running afoul of the unicode problem in the pdf stuff
18:48 chris_n it may also be a bad marc record
18:48 chris_n in either case, if you can locate and isolate the offending record, you should be able to print
18:49 chris_n unless you have lots of diacriticals and non-latin chars
18:49 chris_n in which case the pdf based tools are probably useless for you
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18:50 Shane-S okay, well it was a batch so I will have to see what is in it
18:51 chris_n iirc you can export each item in a batch by itself; time-consuming if you have large batches though
18:56 Shane-S chris_n: found it the webinterface have diamond with a question mark
18:56 Shane-S removed that item and it worked
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19:29 Dyrcona jcamins: That little vineyard in Marlborough is looking might attractive right now.
19:29 jcamins lol
19:30 Dyrcona ^might^mighty
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19:31 jcamins You can alternate your time between crushing grapes and crushing bugs.
19:31 oleonard Presumably sometimes both
19:32 Dyrcona Weta bugs....
19:32 * Dyrcona is the "Chief Bug Wrangler" for Evergreen, btw.
19:32 jcamins Still, despite having resigned twice since I started lurking on #evergreen.
19:32 Dyrcona That's it! I'll have a cricket farm.... Cricket! It's the new chicken!
19:33 druthb eeeewwwww
19:33 jcamins Better to farm locusts... they're kosher.
19:33 druthb grossgrossgross...
19:33 jcamins Crickets are not due to the height of their legs compared to their wingspan or something like that.
19:34 wizzyrea ...they don't have cloven hooves, I guess that's cool
19:34 jcamins Meanwhile #evergreen is actually doing serious work.
19:34 wizzyrea hey I just started my day ;)
19:34 Dyrcona I could farm them without much real work.... ;)
19:35 jcamins wizzyrea: me too, and I've been around for 6 hours. :(
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19:37 oleonard I can't remember, what did we volunteer wizzyrea for during the meeting?
19:38 jcamins oleonard: fixing ALL THE THINGS!
19:38 cait hi #koha
19:38 cait oleonard: cleaning out 50 bugs I think
19:38 cait of the old ones
19:38 cait :P
19:39 jcamins Wow, I have to say that the specification for field 034 $d-$g is remarkably unhelpful.
19:40 wizzyrea hm
19:40 jcamins I figured out what I needed eventually.
19:41 * chris_n contributes a few mealworm patties to the bug conversation
19:41 cait wizzyrea: did you see the email on the list asking about the routing list mails?
19:41 jcamins But the prescriptive instructions which are actually just descriptive are not very helpful.
19:43 wizzyrea ha no
19:43 wizzyrea I haven't gotten there yet
19:44 cait @marc 034
19:44 huginn cait: The coded form of the mathematical data contained in field 255 (Mathematical Data Area) of the bibliographic record. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,m,n,p,r,s,t,x,y,z,2,6,8]
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19:44 cait oh
19:45 wizzyrea ha that is hilariously the exact same question I got just 3 days ago
19:45 cait jcamins: and you say I have weird libraries? :)
19:45 jcamins cait: you do.
19:45 cait yours are weirder :)
19:50 * wizzyrea does a righteous copy/paste to answer that question
19:51 wizzyrea oh fooey
19:51 wizzyrea because I so daftly attached screenshots my message is in moderation
19:51 wizzyrea is there anyone around who can release it?
19:52 wizzyrea @wunder wgtn
19:52 huginn wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
19:52 wizzyrea @wunder wellington, nz
19:52 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on January 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
19:53 wizzyrea hm really
19:53 wizzyrea again, they don't mention the rather forceful winds.
19:53 wizzyrea temp is nice tho
19:54 wizzyrea ooh gust of 87km/h
19:54 khall jcamins and anybody else interested, new Plugin system code is posted on bug 7804 . Be warned, it is not completed, but is completely usable!
19:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Add Koha Plugin System
19:54 wizzyrea average is 57km/h
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19:57 maximep I can't wait for this plugin system!
19:58 jcamins Then test it!
19:59 jcamins Karma for anyone tests bug 7804!
19:59 * jcamins awaits the hordes of testers descending on bug 7804...
19:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Add Koha Plugin System
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20:17 jcamins khall: bad news... I have spotted a few issues: 1) merge marker in sysprefs.sql (easy to fix, for when you upload the next iteration), 2) there doesn't seem to be a way to disable plugins by editing the koha-conf.xml file, 3) there don't appear to be any links to the plugin pages, 4) there should be a detailed test plan.
20:18 jcamins Oh, look, there's a new patch addressing those things.
20:18 jcamins Thanks.
20:18 khall There still a long todo list, I'll fix the merge marker right now
20:19 jcamins Why did you use Config::General instead of Config::Simple? I have no preference, just wondering.
20:19 khall actually, that's a dead dependency. It needs removed
20:19 khall and new deps need added
20:25 khall fixed, i also removed the dead deps and I think all the new ones have been added
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21:37 wizzyrea does it seem odd that if a native koha user exists with a username and password, if using LDAP, a second, duplicate user will be created with the same username and password when that user logs in (for the first time, it doesn't keep creating duplicates)
21:37 wizzyrea this is a bug, right?
21:38 wizzyrea or, this isn't behaviour that we should be expecting.
21:38 cait that sounds evil
21:39 cait especially the doubled up user name in the database
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21:39 wizzyrea yea, that's what I thought
21:39 jcamins That's a bug.
21:39 jcamins What version are you seeing it in?
21:39 wizzyrea this is gonna be.... 3.8
21:39 wizzyrea one sec for revision
21:40 wizzyrea 3.8.7
21:40 wizzyrea for example, we migrated a library from sirsi
21:41 wizzyrea so we had borrowers existing, then when they logged in, they were getting dupes with higher borrowernumbers
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21:41 wizzyrea but the same login credentials
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21:42 cait wizzyrea: there is a bug for username no being forced to be unique
21:42 cait I have seen some weird thing once with doubled up user names
21:42 cait I ended up in the wrong patron account
21:42 wizzyrea were they using external authentication?
21:42 wizzyrea like ldap or CAS
21:42 cait no
21:42 cait patron import does do that too :(
21:42 cait the field in the database is not unique
21:42 wizzyrea ew
21:43 wizzyrea that is very not super ungood
21:43 wizzyrea er
21:43 cait heh
21:43 wizzyrea no that's a double negative.
21:43 cait yeah
21:43 cait I get you :)
21:43 wizzyrea very super bad.
21:43 wizzyrea let's just go with that.
21:44 wizzyrea ha and you can't edit that dupe patron because the interface claims it's username is already used.
21:45 wizzyrea so the interface would enforce unique usernames
21:45 wizzyrea but the db doesn't
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21:45 wizzyrea that erm... seems not good.
21:45 * wizzyrea wonders why ldap doesn't look to see if there is already one, and insert it's data into the existing user.
21:48 * jcamins is thinking big huge bad awful bug.
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21:50 jcamins The rutabaga bisque is cooking now.
21:50 wizzyrea noice
21:50 wizzyrea ok well, I'm going to file this bug then.
21:50 jcamins I'm thinking I might also make some sweet potato biscuits.
21:50 wizzyrea well look for an existing one that needs to be bumped.
21:51 wizzyrea bug 8148 is kind of related
21:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8148 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ldap authentication should FAIL if ldap contains NEW password, and user types the PREVIOUS password
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21:51 jcamins I can call dinner the "First Agonalia Bisque & Biscuit."
21:52 Dyrcona :)
21:52 jcamins Or "iPhone Anniversary Bisque & Biscuit," but I think the first is better.
21:52 wizzyrea hehe
21:53 Dyrcona jcamins: You're making me hungry, and it's an hour until I can get home to the crickets......
21:53 jcamins One of the nice things about working from home.
21:53 jcamins We're also having leftover balsamic caramelized onion and mushroom and herb crostini.
21:56 druthb Dyrcona: to the crickets?   EW.
21:56 jcamins "Balsamic, bisque & biscuit"?
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22:03 cait jcamins: don't make me hungry :)
22:04 jcamins cait: what did you eat for dinner?
22:04 cait hm
22:04 cait plum pie (in the cafe where I tried to learn until they kicked me out)
22:05 cait well and some toast with things
22:05 cait boring :)
22:05 jcamins Crostini!
22:05 jcamins Call it crostini and suddenly it's interesting. :)
22:05 cait hehe
22:14 wizzyrea all right, bug 9375
22:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9375 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Logging in with LDAP creates duplicate users
22:14 cait wizzyrea++
22:29 cait good night all
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