IRC log for #koha, 2012-12-13

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00:52 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
00:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #976: FIXED in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/976/
00:52 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 9246: Koha installer crash with mysql error
00:53 jenkins_koha * romina: Bug 9275 Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag
00:53 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9275 follow-up: Add Romina Racca to history
00:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9246 blocker, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Upon running koha installer, mysql "Error 1166 at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed" appears and crashes install.
00:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9275 trivial, P5 - low, ---, rominaracca, Pushed to Master , Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag
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02:03 wizzyrea sup bshum
02:24 jcamins wizzyrea: welcome to... oh.
02:24 jcamins bshum: welcome to #koha, where wizzyrea usually is. :)
02:24 eythian wahanui: oh no is <reply>
02:24 wahanui OK, eythian.
02:25 wizzyrea oh no
02:25 jcamins oh no.
02:25 jcamins oh no?
02:25 wahanui
02:25 jcamins lol
02:25 jcamins Great picture.
02:31 eythian @wunder nzwn
02:31 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
02:32 wizzyrea omg perfect
02:32 * wizzyrea resists the urge to go outside and run around like a maniac
02:32 wizzyrea nz summer is fab.
02:33 wizzyrea oh sorry, it's a bit crap.
02:33 wizzyrea >.>
02:33 wizzyrea but mostly ok.
02:33 jcamins lol
02:33 eythian yeah, now you're getting in to the NZ spirit!
02:33 * wizzyrea has to tone down the american exuberance
02:33 ibeardslee the right sort of american exuberance is good
02:34 wizzyrea which kind is the right kind >.>
02:34 eythian it often gets a bit over the top quickly, I find.
02:34 ibeardslee wizzyrea: .. probably more that the wrong sort is bad
02:35 wizzyrea which sort is the wrong sort?
02:35 wizzyrea I can probably guess.
02:35 eythian The lack of inside voice gets annoying if you're sitting nearby.
02:35 jcamins lol
02:36 wizzyrea hmm
02:36 eythian It's really a thing, I've observed it in multiple countries.
02:36 eythian Not everyone does it, but those that do seem to escalate against each other.
02:36 wizzyrea lol
02:37 * wizzyrea takes notes
03:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:04 jcamins I have a storage problem.
03:04 * wizzyrea too
03:05 jcamins I have four trays of saltine toffee bark.
03:05 jcamins I have roughly zero containers.
03:05 wizzyrea I have very small closets.
03:05 wizzyrea ziploc bags?
03:05 wizzyrea grocery bags, for that matter.
03:06 wizzyrea (i tease, my closets are fine.)
03:06 rangi my mouth!
03:06 wizzyrea ^^^
03:19 mtj hey peeps
03:20 mtj random Koha Q… does anyone know/remember what the cli script is, to dump a buncha koha bibs, into marc/xml?
03:20 mtj … i know someone mentioned it recently on irc
03:21 mtj ?export? something
03:21 jcamins tools/
03:22 eythian that's a tricky name alright...
03:22 mtj aah, ok! i spotted that, just assumed it was gui only :/
03:22 mtj template_name => "tools/export.tmpl",
03:22 mtj authnotrequired => 0, etc...
03:23 jcamins It is also the only command-line interface I am aware of.
03:23 wahanui okay, jcamins.
03:23 jcamins it?
03:23 jcamins it?
03:23 wahanui it is probably the only command-line interface jcamins is aware of.
03:23 jcamins it?
03:23 wahanui it is the only command-line interface jcamins is aware of.
03:23 jcamins wahanui: forget it
03:23 wahanui jcamins: I forgot it
03:24 jcamins it is <reply>
03:24 jcamins it?
03:25 mtj call me stupid, but it looks like it wants auth via cgi, to run
03:26 mtj does that script really run correctly from a shell?!
03:28 eythian try it and find out?
03:28 rangi[…]vent-game-masters
03:29 mtj jcamins, i did! :) - it gave me a wodge of html, saying 'please auth'
03:30 mtj oops, sorry eythian , not jcamins
03:30 eythian ah right
03:30 eythian then maybe not CLI then :)
03:31 jcamins Bug 5600
03:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Bulk MARC biblio export script
03:31 mtj rangi, woah! ^^
03:32 jcamins tools/ --help
03:33 mtj jcamins, ah thanks! i was looking on a 3.8 system… oops
03:33 mtj awesome patch too! :)
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03:34 Manderson Hello everyone
03:35 rangi hi Manderson
03:36 mtj heya Manderson
03:36 wahanui it has been said that Manderson is going to monkey with it for a few...
03:36 mtj … congrats on the redhat stuff,
03:39 Manderson Oh, thanks
03:39 Manderson :D
03:39 Manderson hope it helps someone else.
03:39 wizzyrea i want to go to that gaming thing
03:39 wizzyrea at te papa
03:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #32: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/32/
03:42 jenkins_koha * romina: Bug 9275 Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag
03:42 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9275 follow-up: Add Romina Racca to history
03:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9275 trivial, P5 - low, ---, rominaracca, Pushed to Stable , Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag
03:43 mtj wizzyrea, yeah, me too
03:43 mtj "Game Masters offers the rare opportunity to play Yu Suzuki's full-body 1980s arcade games, through to testing yourself in a four-player version of Firemint's Real Racing 2."
03:44 mtj i'm v. keen to see the list of games
03:44 wizzyrea :)
03:45 mtj oooh! ->[…]s_for_website.pdf
03:45 wizzyrea i thought it was neat that they had the lich king on the posters.
03:45 mtj woah, they have an old defender!
03:45 wizzyrea i used to play WoW, but I have a rl now :P
03:46 wizzyrea starcraft though
03:47 mtj wow, a pretty classy selection too
03:47 wizzyrea mhm
03:48 * wizzyrea laughs at jcamins bug titles
03:48 wizzyrea paroxysms of horror
03:49 * mtj notes… lots of oohing and aaahing from me today :p
03:49 jcamins wizzyrea: thank you. :)
03:49 mtj the new ./tools/export .pl script is working a treat
04:16 bshum wizzyrea: jcamins: Oh, hello hello.
04:16 bshum Guess my IRC client got disconnected and came back in :)
04:17 * bshum goes back to quietly hanging around
04:29 jcamins I managed to find containers for one and a half trays worth.
04:29 jcamins And I just put a cover on the raspberry short bread in situ.
04:30 jcamins *shortbread
04:54 * jcamins gets a sugar high from licking excess chocolate and toffee off his fingers.
04:54 * jcamins goes to bed.
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05:31 mtj ooh, i felt that one  ->[…]aland/2012p938451
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07:10 cait good morning #koha
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07:42 reiveune hello
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08:05 drojf good morning #koha
08:16 matts hi #koha !
08:17 drojf hi matts
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08:54 cjh good night #koha :)
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09:10 gaetan_B hello
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09:14 samuel hi everybody,
09:15 samuel could someone explains to me the meaning of "invalid holding branch"? I've this error during import
09:16 kf probably your branchcode is not matching with your configuration
09:16 kf does your import file have 952$a and $b with correct branchcodes?
09:17 samuel it's 995 (because unimarc) I've 995$b BIB . So, i need the same in 995$a?
09:18 kf yeh I think so
09:18 kf not sure about the right subfields for unimarc
09:23 samuel 995$b is linked to items.homebranch and 995$c to items.holdingbranch
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09:30 kf you need both with the branchcode - most often it's the same
09:41 samuel yes
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09:53 samuel i keep errors during import. It gives differents hodlingbranch but my branchcode is "BIB" and i have this in 995$b and 995$c
10:12 kf do you have any spaces inthe name maybe?
10:12 kf what is the error message?
10:12 wahanui the error message is on the link above
10:12 kf how does your 995 field look like?
10:20 samuel i will pastebin an exemple, it would be more easy
10:22 samuel oups, i've seen a big error in my file
10:31 samuel  --> an example
10:32 kf samuel: ah right
10:32 kf that won't work
10:32 kf you need all the subfiels in one firled
10:32 kf field
10:32 kf 995 \\$cBIB$bBIB - and now space!
10:33 kf no space... sorry for my bad typiing
10:33 samuel don't worry, it's clear
10:33 kf also the itemtype needs to be the branchcode too
10:33 kf should have the same capitalization too
10:34 kf are you using itemlevel itypes or bibliolevel?
10:34 samuel for which field?
10:34 kf I am not familiar with 995 - so a bit hard to guess which field is what
10:34 kf your itemtypes - do you have them on biblio or item level?
10:35 samuel both.
10:35 kf which is the field in your example?
10:36 samuel =995  \\$wLivre
10:36 samuel (book, i translate)
10:36 kf and is Livre the code for your itemtype in koha?
10:36 samuel yes
10:36 kf also 995$o - I think this is notforloan?
10:37 kf spelled Livre, not LIVRE?
10:37 kf if it's not for loan, you need to give the numeric value
10:37 kf from authorised values
10:37 samuel ok
10:37 kf same for locations and collections of you use those
10:44 kf hope this helps
10:44 kf i think the biggest problem was not having the data in one field, when you change that, it shoudl get easier
11:01 samuel .Item not added (bib 25341, item tag #2, barcode ): invalid homebranch BIB |  France Item not added (bib 25341, item tag #7, barcode ): invalid holdingbranch  France
11:02 kf hm how does your field look like now?
11:02 kf and is France one of your holding branches?
11:02 samuel =995  \\$bBIB$cBIB
11:03 kf and after $c?
11:03 samuel nothing
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12:05 H Hey all
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12:06 H a question - i got my koha server running works fine on ip now the network people gave me the folowing adres but there i get a white page with the koha login annyone has some suggestions how to fix this
12:08 drojf what do you mean by "white page with the koha login"?
12:08 H i take a screen shot
12:08 drojf ah my bad i can just click the url you gave ^^
12:08 drojf ah i see
12:09 drojf that looks funny
12:10 H
12:11 H on ip it works fine probably appache koha configuration
12:11 H is there information how to ?
12:12 drojf i have little experience with apache config and dns. a wild guess is "did you enable the rewrite module?"
12:12 H yes
12:13 drojf sorry, i won't be of any help to you then
12:13 H it is installed the old way so not with the sudo apt-get install koha-common
12:14 H maybe someone shows up later who know more :)
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12:52 tcohen morning #koha
12:55 drojf hi tcohen
12:56 tcohen hi drojf
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13:04 H hey :) thx for responce
13:15 kf hm someone from biblibre around?
13:18 tcohen np H
13:18 H :)
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13:19 H my network admin wants to try to solve it first iff he cant i get an other adress :)
13:20 oleonard Hi #koha
13:20 H hey
13:42 slef is blank for everyone or just me?
13:42 slef s/blank/devoid of questions/
13:42 oleonard Same for me
13:43 slef unless anyone has a quick fix, that's another bug to report :(
13:43 H its loading but it keeps loading
13:44 H ah it loads ... but slaow i got text
13:49 slef H: Q+As or just headings?
13:53 drojf slef: headings for me it is
13:56 jcamins_away H: it is not possible to set up Koha on a subfolder.
13:56 jcamins You'll need to use something like
14:07 * tcohen is about to start his Git intro
14:07 jcamins tcohen++
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14:24 vfernandes hi :)
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14:53 * oleonard wonders if he should go to a code4lib conference someday.
14:54 kf apparently they still have tickets :)
14:54 oleonard I just got back from a conference, I can't ask for another one for a while :)
14:55 kf ooh...
14:56 druthb code4lib is pretty awesome.  Good chance to hear about some bleeding-edge coding going on.
14:57 * druthb prefers YAPC::NA for a broader, non-library-centric base of mad new ideas to look at.
14:59 slef yeah you probably know I've currently complained about the suggested code4lib women-only subgroup... and someone flamed me because I put an "a" inside the quote marks in error :-/
15:01 druthb I got burned really hard on the current "geek feminist" movement after YAPC::NA last year, so have stayed out of that hairy mess.  noirin dismissed me from the discussion by saying "you're trans, so you're different", even though I was *agreeing* with her, because I advocate a less-antagonistic and less-divisive course of action.
15:03 druthb My support for the Ada Foundation dried up completely on that day.  What they want, on paper, is a great idea, but their actual actions seem to be mostly geared toward making men feel guilty, and I don't support that.
15:03 kf woman in something things always feel a little weird to me
15:05 druthb kf:  I agree--it feels wierd to create a deliberately-exclusive group as a response to a grouping that may or may not be deliberately exclusive.
15:05 * kf wants to be with the cool kids
15:06 * druthb isn't a cool kid, so you may have picked the wrong room.
15:06 kf gender doesn't matter :)
15:06 kf don't be silly
15:08 drojf what is wrong with a women-only group of something?
15:08 druthb The discussion in #yapcna got positively tacky, so I quit going there.  Basically, noirin was asserting her right to flirt with whomever she wanted, at any time and place, and would not allow anyone else to flirt back without accusing them of sexual harassment.  I find that--erm....hypocritical.  At best.
15:14 oleonard What a strange stance to take.
15:17 druthb yah.  If I want my public persona to be more flirty and sassy and like I might just have...erm...round heels, then I should, quite rightly, expect at least *some* response from people who find that attractive.  If I were cute enough to pull that off, I just might.
15:18 * druthb 's current public persona is more like "crazy old cat lady" than "flirty and sassy."
15:19 kf didn't I say don't be silly?
15:20 druthb :P
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15:43 slef druthb: do you know the saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? ;-)
15:43 slef bad tab-complete
15:43 slef drojf: do you know the saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? ;-)
15:44 slef druthb: IOW, can you overcome discrimination by discriminating?
15:45 jcamins I just read an interesting article from HBR that made that point.
15:45 slef grrr tab-complete I am so annoyed with you
15:45 druthb See, that's my position--and why I just refuse to engage in such battles, for the most part.  As a transwoman, I'm supposed to be all pissed about the Michigan Women's Festival excluding us, but I'm not.  *shrug*
15:46 druthb It's a free market--the Ohio Women's Festival does not exclude me, and in time, the marketplace of ideas will decide which fest prospers, and which does not.  As I have little interest in going to either event, the outcome does not concern me much.
15:46 slef druthb: yeah, I've yet to find a way to beat illogical pro-discrimination arguments with logical ones... :-/
15:47 * jcamins grumbles.
15:47 slef druthb: ah well, if you want the market to do it, maybe you should inform those who are buying in it.
15:48 slef arrrrrrgh the payment processor has slowed to a crawl. Is Christmas shopping happening or something?
15:48 druthb Oh, I do.  If I were going to go to one or the other, I'd absolutely rather go to Ohio, than the Trans Camp of protestors on the fringes of MichFest.  And I encourage transwomen that want to, to go to Ohio, and let MichFest have their party without us.
15:49 slef druthb: s/transwomen/everyone/ ;)
15:49 druthb true 'nuf.
15:50 druthb Just like I'm not against the Masons, or women's clubs, or whatever.  It's a free market, and for folks who want that, it's their business.  I pick the spaces I would rather be in, and people I like, I encourage to join me in those spaces.
15:51 druthb My preference is for spaces that wouldn't blink an eye at a cigar-chomping hairy angry drag queen, someone dressed (solely) in a leather g-string, or other bizarre behaviors, because it means I can be practically invisible.
15:51 slef I'm against them, but won't act against them unless they try to be "in my name" in some way... which is where I feel code4libwomen crossed the line.
15:52 * druthb used to *be* a Mason, and got tossed out without so much as a letter of notification, for the heinous crime of being a woman.
15:52 * slef tries to picture druthb with a cigar-chomping hairy angry drag queen dressed (solely) in a leather g-string... then decides he has enough odd mental images and returns to thinking about kitten bone kebabs
15:53 * druthb giggles.
15:53 jcamins lol
15:55 * druthb flirts outrageously with jcamins, just to give slef another disturbing image.
16:03 jcamins jcamins?
16:03 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
16:03 jcamins jcamins?
16:03 wahanui you are brilliant
16:03 jcamins jcamins?
16:03 wahanui you are very, very irascible.
16:03 jcamins ^^ remember that, folks!
16:03 druthb :P
16:04 oleonard jcamins is also the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
16:04 wahanui okay, oleonard.
16:04 jcamins lol
16:04 druthb oleonard++
16:06 jcamins @later tell rangi Bug 8843 is yours.
16:06 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:07 jcamins Well... at least the Passed QA queue is down to zero?
16:09 drojf slef: i don't read code4lib, but in general, after watching the german pirate party failing miserably at "being postgender" which turned out as mostly just sexist and patriarchy-preservative my view on that issue changed and i think that people that feel the need to create safespaces should do so. if women feel that they need a group of their own then so be it. i'm quite puzzled about excluding trans people though, i think they are usually included (if t
16:10 jcamins I can't seem to get the last follow up on 7067 to apply correctly.
16:10 * jcamins tries again.
16:13 jcamins Okay, now I can't get the second-to-last follow-up to apply either.
16:14 slef bug 7067
16:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
16:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8039 follow-up: replace tabs by 4 spaces (QA process) <[…]db26bfbadb7f23bdb> / Bug 8039: Try userid if cardnumber borrower search fails in SIP <[…]d98627c3543a765d7> / Bug 5709: Add the ability to translate HTML5 placeholder text in an input field <http:/
16:14 slef jcamins: you won't like my suggestion ;)
16:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #977 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
16:14 jcamins slef: what's that?
16:14 wahanui well, that is not correct, though.
16:15 * drojf heads home
16:15 slef jcamins: branch master at the signoff date, bz apply, rebase
16:15 jcamins slef: right, not happening.
16:15 jcamins And the problem isn't rebasing against master.
16:16 jcamins The only changes I see to the file that's conflicting are the ones made by earlier patches.
16:21 jcamins khall: I am having merge issues with the QA follow-ups on bug 7067. Assuming I can manage to apply it, and assuming it still works, the last follow-up addresses all but one of my concerns: the unit test does not create the "Kyle Hall" user.
16:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
16:21 slef jcamins: odd
16:22 slef wahanui: forget that
16:22 wahanui slef: I forgot that
16:22 jcamins slef: yeah, very.
16:23 slef wahanui: druthb's preference?
16:23 wahanui druthb's preference is for spaces that wouldn't blink an eye at a cigar-chomping hairy angry drag queen, someone dressed (solely) in a leather g-string, or other bizarre behaviors, because it means I can be practically invisible.
16:23 khall jcamins: do you mean I missed adding a test for that?
16:23 slef and yes, wahanui learned that itself
16:23 * druthb cackles maniacally.
16:24 slef wahanui: so do you like being dressed (solely) in a leather g-string?
16:24 wahanui slef: no idea
16:24 jcamins khall: right now the unit test requires that the "Kyle Hall" user already exist.
16:24 jcamins I think.
16:24 jcamins Once I've figured out the merges, I'll confirm that.
16:26 khall jcamins, I don't think there is a problem. The test uses 'Kyle Hall' first as a new pending patron, and second just as a rename for an existing user. The test should work just fine on the default test data, and really any data where there are at least a couple borrowers in the databse.
16:27 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "Unit test results" (38 lines) at
16:28 reiveune bye
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16:29 jcamins khall: would you mind if I squashed patches 1 and 2, and 6 and 7?
16:29 jcamins (I'll do it only once I've confirmed that everything's ready for pushing)
16:30 khall jcamins: squash away!
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16:30 jcamins Ooh, I _love_ the pre-filled login box.
16:32 jcamins Where do the update requests appear?
16:33 jcamins Should be on
16:34 vfernandes koha translate is down?
16:34 druthb vfernandes:  temporarily...I'll have it back up in a moment.
16:34 druthb should be breathing now.
16:35 vfernandes ok... so it's time for coffee :)
16:35 druthb I'm trying to gear up to move it.  made a copy of the db, but transferring it to its' new home is *sssslllloooowww*
16:36 vfernandes i'm doing a big bust this days to portuguese translation for 3.8
16:37 druthb awesome! :)
16:37 jcamins khall: okay, I'm a little confused... when creating a *new* patron, does that require confirmation on the staff side?
16:37 khall the new patron does not actually get created, it's just testing the ability to add a patron that would need to be approved before being created
16:38 jcamins Sorry, I meant in the user interface.
16:38 jcamins I'm going through your test plans.
16:39 khall did you see the update requests on
16:39 oleonard Creating a new patron via the OPAC does not require confirmation on the staff side
16:40 khall They should show where the suggestions waiting for approval are
16:40 khall near the bottom
16:40 jcamins oleonard: thanks.
16:40 oleonard khall: Not for new patrons, only for patrons requesting updates
16:40 jcamins That matches what I was seeing.
16:42 khall it's been a while since I've dealt with that code, oleonard probably knows it better than I do right now ; )
16:43 jcamins We're getting close. :)
16:46 jcamins Well, that's problematic.
16:54 jcamins khall: I just posted what I hope should be the end-but-one of the 7067 saga.
16:57 khall jcamins: I'll followup on it. Also, as per your comment at the bottom, I agree which is why it definitely a pref choice and is disabled by default
17:00 oleonard jcamins: I think the idea is that the library creates a sufficiently-limited patron category and then "upgrades" the account after the patron has verified their address or whatever.
17:00 chris_n debugging rule #1: The problem is syntax
17:00 chris_n debugging rule #2: The problem is over-complication
17:00 jcamins chris_n: debugging rule #0: The problem is that you failed to reload the code
17:00 oleonard jcamins: That limited category is the one assigned to patrons registered via the opac
17:00 chris_n debugging rule #3: See rules 1 & 2
17:01 chris_n jcamins: we all know that in the final analysis all problems are due to user error ;-)
17:01 chris_n even if the user is a dev
17:02 chris_n I mean, its a computer so it can't be wrong
17:02 chris_n right?
17:02 khall hah!
17:03 maximep hey, rebuild zebra question for you guys. It seems when I do a "-a -r" I have "mf_write: isambD-b error (4) no more space" for the shadow. Is it ok to add "-w" to skip the shadow when doing a full rebuild ?
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17:03 jcamins maximep: yes it is.
17:04 maximep ok, thanks
17:05 khall I'm having trouble applying the second patch for 7067, fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/, any ideas?
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17:08 libsysguy a bad hash?
17:08 libsysguy weird
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17:09 libsysguy 128 comments…nevermind lol
17:15 jcamins khall: I will post my rebased patches.
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17:16 khall jcamins: thanks, that will help me a lot!
17:16 jcamins Actually, why don't I squash 1-2 and 6-7 now.
17:16 khall jcamins: for issue 2, do you mean output that says what each test is doing when the test file is run?
17:17 jcamins Right.
17:17 jcamins For example:
17:17 jcamins is($var1, $var2, 'Successfully updated patron')
17:17 jcamins You just have to add another argument to is/ok/whatever
17:18 khall that's what I thought, but I wanted to confirm. Thanks
17:21 jcamins Okay, rebased patches attached.
17:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #977: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/977/
17:23 jenkins_koha * koha-preprod: Bug 5709: Add the ability to translate HTML5 placeholder text in an input field
17:23 jenkins_koha * srdjan: Bug 8039: Try userid if cardnumber borrower search fails in SIP
17:23 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8039 follow-up: replace tabs by 4 spaces (QA process)
17:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, brice.sanchez, Pushed to Master , Adding the ability to translate HTML5 placeholder text in an input field
17:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8039 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Self Checkout/SIP: Allow authentication with userid and password
17:23 jcamins Yay! Success!
17:34 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "libsysguy: syntax errors" (10 lines) at
17:34 libsysguy interesting...
17:34 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
17:34 libsysguy in this case, bad
17:34 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie
17:34 wahanui :)
17:35 libsysguy jcamins what browser are you using?
17:35 libsysguy I don't get that error
17:36 jcamins Firefox.
17:36 wahanui hmmm... firefox is koha's preferred browser
17:36 * libsysguy goes to test in firefox
17:37 jcamins I can confirm the syntax error.
17:37 jcamins That's lousy syntax.
17:37 libsysguy are you sure you don't have some crusty code laying around in there
17:37 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "libsysguy: wtf?" (10 lines) at
17:38 jcamins Pretty sure.
17:39 jcamins Yeah, the second patch adds a bunch of invalid lines.
17:39 libsysguy the javascript degrade patch?
17:39 jcamins Yup.
17:39 jcamins Unless "n true;" means something I don't know about.
17:40 libsysguy i can confirm that that line doesn't exist in my patch...
17:41 pastebot Someone at pasted "commit 1fea35d58c93d32fa1c2bc8" (31 lines) at
17:41 jcamins That was me.
17:41 jcamins The line doesn't exist in your patch?
17:41 libsysguy right
17:42 libsysguy[…]ment.cgi?id=14025
17:42 jcamins No, indeed it doesn's.
17:42 jcamins *doesn't
17:43 * jcamins does a git fsck.
17:44 jcamins Well, this is going to take forever.
17:44 libsysguy heh
17:46 jcamins Actually, that wasn't too bad.
17:49 jcamins Right... I copied and pasted your changes and they worked.
17:49 libsysguy okay cool
17:50 jcamins So I'm going to replace your patch with mine, and have you confirm it works for you.
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17:50 libsysguy okay
17:50 jcamins (and sign off on it)
17:50 jcamins And if all goes as planned, I will push it when I get back.
17:50 * jcamins leaves
17:51 libsysguy gracias
18:05 tcohen hi libsysguy, did u have time to do something about circ test?
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18:15 rangi Morning
18:15 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:23 libsysguy @later tell jcamins I think there is something wrong with the patch you attached to 8033.  The hashes don't match up
18:23 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
18:23 libsysguy sorry tcohen I was doing my morning workout
18:23 libsysguy what did you want tested?
18:23 tcohen you've already tested it, i'm waiting for QA
18:24 tcohen i was asking about Circulation mocked tests
18:24 tcohen that you said were about to work on
18:37 libsysguy ohh yeah
18:37 * libsysguy has been running around with his head cut off
18:39 tcohen is there a way to search on google for english-isms translated to other languages?
18:41 libsysguy hehe
18:42 gmcharlt tcohen: English-englishms, Australian-englishims, Indian-englishims, NZ-englishisms, USA-englishms ... ?
18:42 gmcharlt be precise! ;)
18:42 tcohen "running around with his head cut off"
18:43 tcohen i mean, libsysguy is not a zombie, right?
18:43 oleonard More precisely tcohen, "running around like a chicken with its head cut off" I think
18:43 libsysguy BRAINS!!!
18:43 tcohen heh
18:44 * libsysguy imagines himself headless
18:44 tcohen that's more graphical thanks oleonard
18:44 * libsysguy is not as handsom that way
18:45 jcamins_away libsysguy: you tried it on a new branch?
18:46 jcamins_away The three patches on the bug must be applied in that order, and without your original second patch.
18:46 libsysguy yes
18:47 libsysguy I applied them in the order they are listed in BZ
18:47 jcamins_away The last upstream commit I have in both my release repo and my working repo is 049d74dd66b973bce822678db26bfbadb7f23bdb
18:47 jcamins_away Does that match what you have?
18:48 libsysguy indeed it does
18:48 libsysguy 809
18:48 libsysguy 8039**
18:48 jcamins_away Yup.
18:48 jcamins_away And applying those three patches does not work.
18:48 jcamins_away Odd.
18:49 libsysguy maybe they need re-ordered?
18:49 jcamins_away Ooh, let me try something.
18:49 libsysguy squash them into 1?
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18:49 jcamins_away There.
18:50 jcamins_away Now try applying all three.
18:50 libsysguy trying
18:50 anvo Hi all! Is it possible to use Koha with a locally installed LAMPP server?
18:51 jcamins_away anvo: of course.
18:51 libsysguy yes with the right apache configs
18:51 jcamins_away In fact, if the second P is "PHP," you only need a LAMP server.
18:51 anvo Hmmm... Where's the documentation of it...>
18:51 anvo ?
18:51 jcamins_away packages?
18:51 wahanui rumour has it packages is at
18:52 jcamins_away Installing Linux is outside the scope of the Koha project, of course.
18:52 libsysguy jcamins that did it
18:53 jcamins_away libsysguy: no idea why, but I'm glad.
18:53 * libsysguy shrugs
18:53 libsysguy maybe you just wanted to flood my infox from bz
18:53 jcamins_away Yeah, good excuse!
18:53 libsysguy so do you want me to signoff on all 3?
18:54 jcamins_away Yes please.
18:54 jcamins_away anvo: that link earlier was for you.
18:54 libsysguy sweet it works for me still
18:54 jcamins_away anvo: I recommend using oldstable. 3.8 is getting pretty stable at this point.
18:56 anvo OK
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18:56 cait brrrr
18:57 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:57 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.2°C (7:55 PM CET on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
18:57 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
18:57 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is -2.0°C (7:00 PM CET on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
18:57 drojf ok you win
18:58 jcamins_away I wish huginn's weather reports didn't screw up putty.
18:59 drojf it does?
18:59 jcamins_away Oh yeah.
18:59 tcohen smuxi too
18:59 drojf why? what does it do?
18:59 drojf s/why/how
19:00 tcohen invalid charset?
19:00 jcamins_away It looks like putty thought that this was Latin-1 not UTF-8.
19:00 jcamins_away drojf: it does weird misalignment things.
19:00 jcamins_away @wunder 11375
19:00 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 7.2°C (1:55 PM EST on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling).
19:00 drojf ah right. i stopped noticing the ? that i get instead of °
19:01 jcamins_away Actually, that appears to have fixed it.
19:01 jcamins_away I changed the character set to UTF-8.
19:01 libsysguy jcamins do you want it passed QA or just signed off?
19:01 jcamins_away libsysguy: you can set it back to Passed QA.
19:02 libsysguy gracias
19:02 libsysguy didn't want to overstep my QA bounds
19:03 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
19:03 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 29.0°C (3:00 PM ART on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
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19:24 druthb Any active translators awake and want to do a little testing?
19:24 druthb cait?   ^^
19:24 druthb tcohen++
19:26 jcamins_away khall: this is not going to block my pushing 7067 (pending a last test to confirm everything's working), but a possible follow-up if you want more karma with jenkins would be to fill out the test coverage to (in addition to what it's doing right now) 1) update an existing borrower modification, 2) add a null modification, 3) test getting the pending modifications (and count) for a particular branch, 5) add POD for ->new() which ...
19:26 jcamins_away ... explains when to use it and what arguments it accepts, and 6) make sure to cover both options in conditionals with the unit tests.
19:26 rangi back
19:26 tcohen druthb, what happened?
19:29 druthb I've got the other server breathing, tcohen, and want someone who actually *does* translation to take a peek.  Then I'll work with rangi on a live cutover time to move the DNS.
19:29 druthb
19:30 gmcharlt general question - would we be better off having a dedicated translation server so that the new TM doesn't *have* to recreate it each time?
19:30 druthb gmcharlt, that's what I've been hoping to get to here.
19:31 gmcharlt druthb: ok, cool
19:31 tcohen hopefully this time will last
19:31 druthb We find some other sucker^Wvolunteer, and I just hand over the keys...
19:31 tcohen heh
19:32 druthb it seems to be *much* faster now.
19:33 tcohen yes, its like match 2 i guess
19:33 druthb Still some fiddly bits to do; I need to shut down mysql and move it out to the /srv partition, but I've got memcache doing its' job, looks like.
19:34 tcohen does it use Apache in from of it? or is just django talking to the world?
19:34 druthb Apache, definitely.
19:34 jcamins_away Doesn't support nginx?
19:35 druthb Pootle does, yes.
19:35 * druthb doesn't.  Or hasn't, in the past.
19:35 rangi druthb: now might be a good time
19:35 jcamins_away You should switch to that if speed has been an issue.
19:35 rangi to set it up with git
19:35 jcamins_away rangi++
19:35 rangi since we have our brand new repo
19:35 rangi cos pootle can commit straight to git
19:35 jcamins_away Yeah!
19:35 rangi which will save you a metric craptonne of time
19:35 * druthb nods.
19:36 jcamins_away Preach!
19:36 rangi heh
19:36 rangi also
19:36 rangi
19:36 jcamins_away ... sorry, I'm working with catalog records for people connected witht he nineteenth century religious revivals.
19:38 druthb I mostly want to get paul_p and vfernandes and cait and tcohen off my neck, at the moment.  Then I can make things *better*.
19:38 cait what did I do?
19:39 * cait is still thawing fromspending 3 hours  at the christmas market
19:39 jcamins_away *for works by people connected with the nineteenth century religious revivals
19:39 druthb cait:    #test, please?
19:41 cait lots faster
19:41 cait tcohen++ druthb++
19:41 cait hope it stays that way :)
19:42 cait pootle seems to be.. abit difficult
19:44 jcamins_away Setting up Pootle with nginx looks to be pretty straightforward.
19:46 * jcamins_away favors FastCGI and/or unix sockets FWIW.
19:48 jcamins_away It just seems more elegant.
19:50 rangi[…]01/in/photostream
19:50 cait yay :)
19:51 oleonard Rolling Hills has a nice one
19:51 rangi yep
19:52 rangi i like that darla from alaska sent me her actual card :)
19:53 cait oh wow
19:53 cait her own?
19:53 oleonard We librarians don't need cards anyway, right? We know our card number by heart.
19:53 jcamins_away Being a librarian she can probably get a replacement crd without needing to pay the fee.
19:53 rangi bottom right
19:53 rangi yup
19:53 rangi sorry second from the right
19:53 rangi bottom row
19:54 rangi bottom right is bridgton in maine
19:54 wizzyrea hey I gave you my actual nexpress card :)
19:54 rangi oh yeah i have wizzyrea's card too :)
19:55 wizzyrea :)
19:55 wizzyrea but you know, I don't *need* it anymore so... there's that.
19:55 * wizzyrea does miss having ILL's delivered to her desk
19:56 rangi talk to jo :)
19:56 trea not like you were going to use it :P
19:56 wizzyrea hehe
19:56 wizzyrea well considering I pass TWO libraries on my way to and from work
19:56 wizzyrea I could just pop in.
19:56 wizzyrea well one is slightly out of the way, but only barely
19:56 jcamins_away wizzyrea: are they Koha libraries?
19:57 wizzyrea no.
19:57 cait eew
19:57 jcamins_away Aww.
19:57 wizzyrea which really is a darn shame.
19:57 wizzyrea i love the wcl, however - some of their policies are pants.
19:58 wizzyrea and they don't use koha.
19:58 * wizzyrea wonders how many fees they could drop if they didn't have licensing fees.
19:59 drojf shout "oh look, a squirrel over there on the shelf" and when they are distracted, update their system. suddenly koha.
19:59 rangi about 400k worth
19:59 * wizzyrea sighs
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20:03 cait for some... it takes a long time to learn
20:03 chris_n oleonard: looks like fulfillment is hoping to be released early next year
20:03 oleonard chris_n: Who says?
20:03 chris_n I'm not sure how tightly integrated with evergreen it is, though
20:03 chris_n the README seems to think it might be a bit tight
20:04 chris_n
20:04 chris_n "It is anticipated that FulfILLment version 1.0-RC1 will be available in the spring/summer of 2013."
20:04 chris_n the code is in an svn repo
20:04 chris_n[…]pname=FulfILLment
20:05 jcamins_away chris_n: I thought they switched to git?
20:05 oleonard I contacted someone at FulfILLment and offered to help test with Koha, even providing some test data, but never heard anything back.
20:05 chris_n gmcharlt may be able to comment further
20:05 chris_n jcamins: dunno
20:05 wizzyrea I tried to install it, and I got it installed... and that was where the documentation ended
20:05 wizzyrea ok, it's installed... what do I do?
20:05 chris_n sounds very un-fulfilling atm ;-)
20:06 wizzyrea well, yes
20:06 wizzyrea it could be cool, a replacement for something like AGent
20:06 slef wizzyrea: are you busy in the next few hours?
20:06 chris_n last commit to the svn repo looks to be 28 days ago
20:06 wizzyrea yes, sadly, but what did you need?
20:07 * wizzyrea may have some time later
20:08 slef wizzyrea: I've updated and expanded the patch for bug 6890 and if you were free soon, I'd rush-upload it, but I'll do it after dinner.
20:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Patch doesn't apply , Add reserves to modification logging
20:08 wizzyrea Ooh!
20:08 wizzyrea <3
20:08 wizzyrea oh yes, do it after dinner :)
20:08 wizzyrea but that is quite nice - something I've been wishing for
20:09 slef if anyone has tips on nicer ways to make the object link back to the biblio in the category than just adding an <a href...> to the tt, I'd love to read it ;)
20:11 chris_n oleonard: there's even #fulfillment over on freenode
20:13 jcamins_away Did Koha 3.6 have comments?
20:13 rangi yes
20:13 jcamins_away Excellent.
20:13 rangi they have been there since 2ish
20:13 rangi called reviews in 2 tho
20:13 jcamins_away Yay!
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20:22 jcamins_away I know 3.6 doesn't have star reviews, but since I'm going to be curating my new reading list, it didn't really need star ratings.
20:22 rangi :)
20:24 cait jcamins_away: what do you use 3.6 for?
20:24 jcamins_away cait: everything.
20:24 wahanui rumour has it everything is grilled
20:24 cait oh
20:25 jcamins_away See: jcamins' intense paranoia
20:25 cait oh right
20:25 * wizzyrea is coming around to 3.8 finally
20:25 cait how are the christmas treats?
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20:25 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I'll change to 3.8 in the next few months.
20:25 cait hey wizzyrea :)
20:26 jcamins_away I think I'm going to have to stop at eight varieties.
20:26 wizzyrea hi cait
20:26 jcamins_away I have one empty container in the house.
20:26 jcamins_away *One*.
20:27 cait wizzyrea: could you take a look at the mailing list page maybe? the browse through and mailing list links seems to be a bit messed up?
20:27 cait[…]ha-mailing-lists/
20:27 wizzyrea yea I"ve been meaning to look at that
20:27 wizzyrea I just haven't had time. Someone deleted the header.
20:27 cait ah :) cool! wizzyrea++
20:27 cait i think someone might have shortened the list
20:27 cait I thought we had the german list there once, which is why I was looking at it
20:28 wizzyrea ah yea, it was pruned
20:28 wizzyrea but not by me
20:28 * cait nods
20:28 cait not me at least
20:28 * wizzyrea knows who, it's not worth being upset about.
20:30 wizzyrea jaredrecommends
20:30 jcamins_away Well, that's 2-0 in favor of jaredrecommends, so we'll go with that. :)
20:30 wizzyrea yep
20:31 wizzyrea no?
20:31 wahanui
20:31 oleonard Oh wizzyrea did you see the problem with the FAQ page?
20:31 cait if you get to it - can you replace the the german translation list with the new german list? koha-de - much easier :)
20:32 wizzyrea no
20:32 wizzyrea yes
20:32 cait poor wizzyrea
20:32 wizzyrea (in order)
20:32 jcamins_away wizzyrea: good, because I would've been insulted if you were.
20:32 wizzyrea :)
20:32 cait wizzyrea webadminsnack cookies ;)
20:32 * oleonard sees that the FAQ page works now, thanks wizzyrea
20:32 wizzyrea lol
20:32 * wizzyrea didn't do anything
20:37 wizzyrea cait - mailing lists should be back in order
20:38 rangi because its friday
20:38 rangi[…]ded&v=2RA3rc2303o
20:38 cait wizzyrea: canyou maybe remove the support bit? we decided to keep the other list for owrking on translations
20:39 cait people seemed to get scared away by the i18n
20:39 cait stuff
20:39 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "jcamins oleonard: re fulfillment" (9 lines) at
20:39 wizzyrea oh it's caching
20:39 wizzyrea just wait a minute :P
20:39 wizzyrea or 10
20:39 wizzyrea you're not actually seeing the updated page.
20:39 wizzyrea I did take that out.
20:40 * chris_n points jcamins_away at the paste mentioned above
20:40 jcamins_away chris_n: yeah, sounds about right.
20:40 jcamins_away Very bulky.
20:40 chris_n so it sounds like if we want ILL foo we need to write it ourselves as a feature
20:40 jcamins_away In order to run EG on a 2GB system, I had to basically disable everything.
20:42 cait thx a lot :)
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20:47 jcamins_away chris_n: I would suppose that if Koha had an OpenSRF connector it would be easy to use FulfILLment with Koha.
20:47 chris_n excepting the bulk
20:48 cait i think a general ill interface would be nice
20:48 cait we want to make our ILL service work with koha next year
20:48 cait but not sure yet how to achieve some of the things
20:48 jcamins_away Well, yeah, but what's the point of a competing ILL system that doesn't work with anything but Koha?
20:50 jcamins_away Seems to me that bulk notwithstanding, it'd be better to work with FulfILLment.
20:50 jcamins_away And maybe even help them pare away the unnecessary bulk.
20:51 oleonard Unnecessary bulk as in code in FulfILLment which works around interoperation barriers between it and Koha?
20:52 jcamins_away No, unnecessary bulk as in "bits of Evergreen that aren't actually needed for ILL at all."
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21:01 jcamins_away A (very quick) glance at the source suggests to me that the only services that should be needed for FulfILLment would be the basic OpenSRF messaging system and CStore, which is Evergreen's configuration... thingy.
21:01 rangi oleonard: i like you jshint idea
21:01 rangi also jasmine
21:01 rangi[…]ipt-with-jasmine/
21:02 rangi we can do unit tests for our js too
21:02 oleonard Is jasmine something you use at Catalyst?
21:02 rangi yup
21:02 oleonard It's something I want to learn more about
21:02 rangi im thinking things like the acquisitions js could really use unit tests
21:02 rangi selfcheck too
21:02 rangi jenkins can then run them too
21:03 oleonard I'm starting to look at ways to make our js more modular so that it will more testable.
21:03 jcamins_away Cool!
21:03 rangi so if something busts the tax calculations (again)
21:03 rangi it will spaz out :)
21:03 rangi oleonard: that is a great idea too
21:04 oleonard I learned a little about using build tools for js, which ideally could do linting, testing, minifying, and concatenation all in one process
21:04 rangi sweet
21:04 rangi the other thing people are using here is sass stuff for css
21:05 rangi
21:05 rangi i know nothing about that
21:05 rangi except it seems cool
21:05 rangi takes care of all the ie exceptions etc
21:05 oleonard Yeah, that's another thing on my list, SASS or LESS
21:05 rangi much like jquery does for js
21:05 rangi sweet
21:06 oleonard I'd be interested in hearing why folks there chose SASS over LESS
21:06 rangi ill ask
21:07 oleonard rangi: I'd also be interested to know if anyone there is using require.js. That was a hot topic at the JavaScript training I went to.
21:07 rangi not require
21:07 rangi angular
21:08 rangi
21:08 rangi at least one project here is using that
21:09 jcamins_away The concern I have with sass/less is that unless we redo all our CSS, as I understand it we'd just be adding a compilation step for no real benefit.
21:09 rangi luckily we have most (all) our css in one file
21:09 maximep we chose sass pretty much only because ruby is easier to install/manage than nodejs
21:10 rangi redoing it is not an impossibility
21:10 maximep they are very feature equal
21:10 rangi oh thats a pretty good reason
21:10 jcamins_away And I have trouble seeing how we could do it gradually and have it useless.
21:10 jcamins_away *not be useless
21:10 jcamins_away Also, of course, ruby's a bit of an issue.
21:11 maximep we use sass for new projects. I don't think we ever converted an old project
21:11 rangi im pretty sure you woulndt ship the scss
21:11 rangi but the rendered css files
21:11 rangi ie, thats what would go in the tar.gz and the packages
21:11 jcamins_away Right, but that means all developers would have to have ruby.
21:11 jcamins_away And it would have to work.
21:11 jcamins_away And probably have to be the exact same version because they *love* incompatible changes.
21:12 rangi all devs changing css anyway
21:12 jcamins_away Right.
21:12 rangi which i havent done in 4 years
21:12 maximep ruby is easy to install. Any > 1.8.7 works fine
21:12 jcamins_away maximep: yes, until you want to use it.
21:12 maximep works fine in windows, mac and linux
21:12 cait rangi: you are an exception I think :)
21:12 jcamins_away At which point it spontaneously combusts and tries to reinstall itself over on top of the version you installed using a .deb.
21:13 maximep how is that different from perl ?
21:13 maximep :S
21:13 tcohen druthb:[…]pref.po/download/
21:13 rangi oleonard: Sass can hook into compass
21:13 jcamins_away Then, you discover that you have an incompatibility between the gem used for opening files and the base system, which is a problem because without being able to open files, you can't choose which version of the gem you'd like to use.
21:13 rangi oleonard: which can do sprite compiling and stuff apparently
21:13 druthb thanks, tcohen.  lemme look at that.
21:14 tcohen np
21:14 jcamins_away The solution is to never use a packaged version of Ruby, I think.
21:14 rangi oleonard: thats why our design team chose it over less
21:14 oleonard Okay, good to know rangi
21:14 tcohen "permission denied"
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21:14 * oleonard 's brain is still melting from the JS training... way too much to learn
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21:15 cait oleonard: one step at a time :)
21:16 * oleonard waves goodbye to #koha
21:16 rangi cya oleonard
21:16 cait good night #koha
21:16 cait left #koha
21:16 tcohen bye #koha
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21:39 eythian hi
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21:43 drojf hi eythian
21:44 druthb @later tell tcohen got the permissions problem fixed!
21:44 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
21:46 bgkriegel Hi druthb, just tried and works
21:48 bgkriegel tcohen tell me to try the site
21:50 slef rangi: I think SASS annoyed me the last time I looked at it. Why would anyone want to turn CSS into a compiled language you can't tweak in browser extensions like firebug?
21:56 cjh you can write sass and then compile it and serve it up as css
21:58 rangi who wants to have to code for all the broken browsers out there, if sass can compile me css so i dont have to know how to deal with ie7 im happy
21:59 rangi also
21:59 rangi this line
21:59 cjh also gives us variables so we dont have to have the same hardcoded values everywhere, etc. it's generally much nicer than dealing with plain css
21:59 rangi (defined $handles{$table}) and return $handles{$table};
21:59 rangi in C4::Letters
21:59 rangi is bad wrong and evil
21:59 rangi EVIL!
22:00 cjh shouldnt that be `return $handles{$table} if exists $handles{$table}` ?
22:00 rangi thats better
22:00 rangi but still broken
22:00 eythian that has different semantics
22:00 rangi because what we are doing is handing back an $sth handle containing a prepared query
22:01 eythian may return undef which the first one won't
22:01 rangi without checking the db is still there
22:01 cjh eythian: yeah, I assumed the undef case was part of the incorrectness.
22:01 eythian oh right, %handles contains prepared statements? '
22:01 eythian that's not idea.
22:01 eythian ideal
22:01 rangi nope
22:01 rangi results in blank emails
22:04 eythian why has everyone decided that cross-posting to both lists is a good thing to do, recently?
22:05 rangi yeah we shoudl fix that
22:05 slef eythian: to irritate me, I think.
22:05 slef rangi: hold crossposts for moderation? <eg>
22:07 rangi or we could just reply to one and note in our reply why we have done it
22:07 rangi that would annoy me less than having to moderate more stuff
22:08 rangi Replying only to the devel lists as this is where this belongs, please don't crosspost
22:09 rangi or something like that
22:09 rangi i blame ppl who use readers that hide the crosspostingness
22:09 rangi gmail will do that, you will only see the message once
22:10 rangi you know what is more annoying than crossposting
22:10 rangi crossposting and apologises for it
22:10 rangi "i know this is a dick move, but im doing it anyway"
22:10 rangi is what i read
22:11 trea pretty much
22:23 eythian[…]-web-we-lost.html
22:24 slef rangi: I see it as "I don't care about anyone else's time, so please don't care about mine."
22:27 trea eh, part of the old addage that it's easier to beg forgiveness and ask permission
22:27 trea s/and/than
22:34 slef so I just found this line in, just after a load of template variables are set:
22:34 slef #module   => 'fix this', #this seems unused in actual code
22:35 slef does that mean all the [% IF ( module == 'CIRCULATION' ) %] and similar tests in will never be true?
22:35 * slef checks both lines in master
22:36 eythian maybe it actually gets set somewhere else?
22:37 slef eythian: I think it's behaving like not.  The object column in log views doesn't seem to be a link.  There's a loopro.module... I could rewrite the [% %] tests to use that.
22:42 slef yeah if I make them loopro.module, it behaves much better
22:43 slef well except that it thinks CIRCULATION module entries are members not biblios
22:44 slef well except that it thinks CIRCULATION module entries' objects are members not biblios
22:48 jcamins libsysguy: please correct your e-mail address with git on ByWater's test server.
22:49 libsysguy oops
22:49 libsysguy will do
22:51 * jcamins contemplates blue cheese biscuits.
22:53 jcamins Gee, Myshkin is having the worst day ever.
22:54 jcamins First Shari left, then I left, then I came back, but Shari didn't, and then he got sprayed with the water bottle for trying to pull the network switch off the wall.
23:00 drojf ouch. rough teaching method
23:00 slef jcamins: and you sprayed the network switch with water, killing it?
23:00 jcamins slef: nope.
23:01 jcamins drojf: I tried making it so he couldn't get to the switch, and dragging him away, and scolding him.
23:02 drojf that must be one interesting network switch then
23:03 drojf myshkin tries to get direct access to internet cat content
23:03 drojf or become internet cat content himself
23:03 jcamins lol
23:04 slef hmmm... should I write "member" or "Borrower"?
23:05 slef odlis?
23:05 wahanui it has been said that odlis is
23:07 slef odlis says Borrower
23:07 slef hmmm... but says member elsewhere... any thoughts?
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23:08 jcamins slef: I'm glad you're the one trying to figure it out and not me?
23:08 slef jcamins: ha!
23:08 * slef does a few grep -c
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23:11 slef 424 for member, 795 for borrower
23:12 slef I think we have a problem there, but if I use borrower, I'm siding with the majority ;-)
23:13 slef 1242 for patron
23:13 * slef cries
23:14 slef ODLIS says "patron - Any person who uses the resources and services of a library, not necessarily a registered borrower. Synonymous with user. Compare with client."
23:26 jcamins Do I look like someone who wanted to do original cataloging for Modern Perl?
23:34 jcamins (I wasn't, but I found a source for copy)

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