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| 00:01 |
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mtj |
yeah, a quick google says dbs on ssds is bad |
| 00:01 |
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mtj |
yeah |
| 00:06 |
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mtj |
hey trea , congrats on making it over, too! :) |
| 00:08 |
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trea |
hey thanks! |
| 00:08 |
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mtj |
did the bass rig make it over? |
| 00:09 |
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trea |
ha! should be here any day now. |
| 00:10 |
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mtj |
cool |
| 00:18 |
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| 00:20 |
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mib_9kf7xj |
hi i've tried unsuccesfully to use something link postfix, nullmailer, mailutils etc. to allow koha to send automated emails. I just don't know how to make it work. does anyone know of a good guide to set it up? the document files doesn't help me much |
| 00:20 |
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trea |
postfix? |
| 00:20 |
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wahanui |
postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
| 00:21 |
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trea |
koha just needs a standard smtp mailer. nothing sophisticated beyond standard smtp administration is required. |
| 00:22 |
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mib_9kf7xj |
i tried following the steps on both those sites.. but I've not ever managed to get emails to work. I know it sounds stupid, but i've done everything else succesfullly, lan networking, koha set up etc. just the emails doenst |
| 00:26 |
|
rangi |
http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix[…]Postfix_on_Debian |
| 00:52 |
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eythian |
mib_9kf7xj: are you using packages, if so did you run koha-enable-email instancename |
| 00:52 |
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eythian |
or maybe it's koha-email-enable |
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| 06:11 |
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| 06:12 |
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francharb |
hi |
| 06:12 |
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wahanui |
hello, francharb |
| 06:17 |
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cait |
hi frn |
| 06:17 |
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cait |
hi francharb :) |
| 06:18 |
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francharb |
morning cait 0/ |
| 07:05 |
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| 07:12 |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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| 07:26 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 07:26 |
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| 07:32 |
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magnuse |
kia ora jransom |
| 07:32 |
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magnuse |
...and laurence sophie_m lds |
| 07:32 |
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lds |
hello |
| 07:32 |
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laurence |
hi magnuse |
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| 07:39 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 07:41 |
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laurence |
bonjour reiveune |
| 07:41 |
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reiveune |
coucou laurence :) |
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| 07:42 |
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julian_m |
hello |
| 07:43 |
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cait |
hi all :) |
| 07:43 |
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cait |
and brb |
| 07:50 |
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| 07:51 |
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koyauni |
Defining circulation and fine rules, how can I clone the best rule for my university? |
| 07:51 |
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koyauni |
do you guys have any suggestion please? |
| 07:58 |
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sophie_m |
hi magnuse and #koha |
| 08:03 |
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matts |
hi ! |
| 08:12 |
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| 09:27 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
hi all. When I set the delay time for advance notice of item due, ie pre-due notice.. do i use lets say 3 days or -3 days? |
| 09:27 |
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| 09:27 |
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kf |
positive values |
| 09:27 |
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kf |
due date + 3 days |
| 09:27 |
|
kf |
um sorry |
| 09:28 |
|
kf |
3 days before due date |
| 09:28 |
|
kf |
now it makes more sense |
| 09:28 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
oh thanks, i wasn't sure about this |
| 09:28 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
so i just put a positive number in for predue notices right? |
| 09:29 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
i see what you mean, put in 3, which means "notice will be sent 3 days before due date" |
| 09:32 |
|
kf |
hm |
| 09:33 |
|
kf |
where are you putting those numbers? |
| 09:33 |
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kf |
it's a pull down in my installation with positive values |
| 09:36 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
in the overdue notice/status triggers. is this where you set pre-due notices..or another place? |
| 09:36 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
is this purely for overdue notices? |
| 09:41 |
|
kf |
no that are overdue notices |
| 09:41 |
|
kf |
predue are set somewhere else |
| 09:41 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
do you know where please? |
| 09:41 |
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kf |
first you need to activate your enhanced messaging in the system preferences |
| 09:41 |
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kf |
manual? |
| 09:41 |
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wahanui |
i guess manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 09:42 |
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kf |
and then take a look at patron category configuration in administration |
| 09:42 |
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kf |
and look into individual patron accounts |
| 09:42 |
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kf |
and search the manual for predue :) |
| 09:46 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
oh thanks, the thing is i updated to 3.8.6 today from 3.8.4 and messaging options wasn't available under patron category |
| 09:46 |
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mib_ozrkj4 |
thanks.. i didn't see this in the manual, late at night now i need sleep |
| 09:48 |
|
kf |
sleep well :) |
| 09:48 |
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kf |
koha will still be here in the morning |
| 09:48 |
|
kf |
the syspref turned on will fix it |
| 10:29 |
|
kf |
@later tell drojf ping me when you are around? :) |
| 10:29 |
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huginn |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:41 |
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| 10:41 |
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drojf1 |
good day #koha |
| 10:44 |
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| 10:45 |
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kf |
hi drojf1 :) |
| 11:06 |
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drojf1 |
:) |
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| 12:00 |
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magnuse |
hey libsysguy, did you mention something about a mechanized testing suite? |
| 12:01 |
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libsysguy |
yeah, did you read my morning company email ;) |
| 12:01 |
|
magnuse |
nope :-) |
| 12:01 |
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magnuse |
think it was mentioned at the last meeting ? |
| 12:02 |
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* magnuse |
is curious to see it :-) |
| 12:02 |
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libsysguy |
yes it was |
| 12:02 |
|
libsysguy |
actually after doing a bit of research i found there is a FOSS project doing exactly what I was trying to do |
| 12:02 |
|
libsysguy |
Selenium |
| 12:02 |
|
wahanui |
Selenium is, like, more things like "perform this action, ensure that this is the result" |
| 12:03 |
|
libsysguy |
and it has a generator for Perl |
| 12:03 |
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magnuse |
ah yes, i think someone already did a little bit of work on that and koha? |
| 12:03 |
|
libsysguy |
if wahanui knows about it probably so |
| 12:03 |
|
libsysguy |
I was going t us WWW::Mechanize initially with HTTP::Recorder |
| 12:04 |
|
libsysguy |
but selenium makes life a bit easier than re-inventing the wheel |
| 12:05 |
|
magnuse |
hehe |
| 12:05 |
|
magnuse |
there is a selenium/ folder: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=selenium;hb=HEAD |
| 12:06 |
|
libsysguy |
ahh yup |
| 12:06 |
|
libsysguy |
those are some selenium scripts |
| 12:06 |
|
libsysguy |
I wonder why it was abandoned |
| 12:07 |
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magnuse |
no idea |
| 12:07 |
|
* libsysguy |
is now nervous |
| 12:08 |
|
libsysguy |
anyway, thats the first step I'd like to take toward automated testing |
| 12:08 |
|
magnuse |
cool |
| 12:08 |
|
magnuse |
so it's an ongoing project? |
| 12:08 |
|
libsysguy |
yeah I am planning on working on it from now until the end of december full time |
| 12:08 |
|
libsysguy |
at least |
| 12:08 |
|
magnuse |
i got the impression from the meeting log that it was just waiting to be revealed to the world :-) |
| 12:09 |
|
magnuse |
oh very cool |
| 12:09 |
|
* magnuse |
wonders if jcamins_away has an opinon on selenium vs test::www::mechanize |
| 12:09 |
|
libsysguy |
heh |
| 12:10 |
|
libsysguy |
jcamins_away: has an opinion about everything :p |
| 12:10 |
|
magnuse |
:-) |
| 12:10 |
|
libsysguy |
jcamins_away: once told me that he found the color of my socks appalling |
| 12:10 |
|
libsysguy |
^^ only kidding |
| 12:10 |
|
magnuse |
hehe |
| 12:11 |
|
kf |
libsysguy: I ran into some problems with selenium - it might not work as well as your approach |
| 12:12 |
|
libsysguy |
i think an important part of getting more robust testing is forcing devels to submit tests with their code |
| 12:12 |
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libsysguy |
kf, what kind of problems? |
| 12:12 |
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kf |
I was using the browser plugin |
| 12:12 |
|
kf |
and had problems recording some things |
| 12:12 |
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kf |
also with the base urls |
| 12:13 |
|
kf |
it seems recording was fine, but replaying it after a week or so, or in another installation... |
| 12:13 |
|
kf |
I gave up on it |
| 12:13 |
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libsysguy |
ahh I gotcha |
| 12:13 |
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libsysguy |
it records on ID's so that may have been the problem you were seeing but WWW::Mechinize would suffer the same fate |
| 12:14 |
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kf |
I think francharb tried out selenium too |
| 12:14 |
|
* magnuse |
has written test::www::mechanize teste for the digital signs and didn't find it horrible :-) |
| 12:14 |
|
kf |
what's the problem with http:recorder? |
| 12:15 |
|
kf |
magnuse: yeah, I did one with rangi at kohacon |
| 12:15 |
|
kf |
seemed not too hard and being able to see more about what is going on |
| 12:15 |
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libsysguy |
it does the exact same thing as selenium |
| 12:15 |
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magnuse |
kf: but you didn't submit it? |
| 12:15 |
|
kf |
nah, it was only for playing :) |
| 12:15 |
|
kf |
to learn how to use it |
| 12:16 |
|
libsysguy |
it seems like whoever submitted the selenium stuff didn't update the baseurl or host |
| 12:16 |
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magnuse |
ah |
| 12:16 |
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libsysguy |
HDL... |
| 12:16 |
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libsysguy |
:p |
| 12:21 |
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magnuse |
how would i run the existing tests in selenium/ ? just as regular perl scripts? or through something like prove? |
| 12:23 |
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libsysguy |
i think you can run them as perl scripts |
| 12:23 |
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magnuse |
okelydokely |
| 12:23 |
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libsysguy |
though you will probably have to change the host |
| 12:23 |
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magnuse |
yeah, looks like it |
| 12:23 |
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magnuse |
i'll have to investigate some more later, i guess |
| 12:26 |
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libsysguy |
well don't worry I've got all day dedicated to it |
| 12:26 |
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libsysguy |
I can post the results somewhere if you guys want |
| 12:30 |
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libsysguy |
ha I got it to work with the old test |
| 12:32 |
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libsysguy |
but I think these tests were written for an old version |
| 12:32 |
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magnuse |
yeah, probably |
| 12:32 |
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libsysguy |
so with test you did have to run them with prove |
| 12:33 |
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libsysguy |
but I think for the WWW version you can just run the script |
| 12:33 |
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magnuse |
looks like they were added in 2009 - 3 years ago now |
| 12:33 |
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libsysguy |
yeah I think oleonard would agree…too old for the current UI |
| 12:34 |
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* magnuse |
likes prove :-) |
| 12:34 |
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libsysguy |
it is handy for sure |
| 12:34 |
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libsysguy |
they need subfunctions "prove by contrapositive" |
| 12:37 |
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francharb |
kf, I tried selenium, yep! but the firefox plugin doesn't work with firefox last versions .... I didn't have time to retest rangi httprecorder script but I guess it's a better option for now... |
| 12:40 |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse: libsysguy: I prefer Test::WWW::Mechanize where it is sufficient. |
| 12:40 |
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jcamins_away |
Selenium requires a web browser. |
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| 12:41 |
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magnuse |
jcamins_away: requires a web browser - for creating the tests, or for running them too? |
| 12:41 |
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libsysguy |
running them |
| 12:41 |
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libsysguy |
so it can also run the javascript |
| 12:42 |
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kf |
libsysguy: as I found selenium not well working for me, I kinda like http::recorder more at the moment |
| 12:42 |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse: running them. |
| 12:44 |
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libsysguy |
:'( |
| 12:46 |
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magnuse |
ah, being able to run (and test) javascript is cool, though |
| 12:46 |
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libsysguy |
yeah that is why I like it |
| 12:47 |
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libsysguy |
we can do both |
| 12:47 |
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libsysguy |
but its really nice to be able to verify the page looks the way its supposed to |
| 12:49 |
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kf |
hm guess the javascript is a plus again :) |
| 12:50 |
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libsysguy |
I think so, considering we are relying on it more heavily |
| 12:50 |
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magnuse |
i suspect we will not be too choosy - if "someone" makes lots of selenium tests that do a good job they will hardly be turned away because they are written for the wrong framework? |
| 12:51 |
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libsysguy |
well my goal is to make it stupidly easy for libraries to write their own tests |
| 12:51 |
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magnuse |
yay :-) |
| 12:51 |
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libsysguy |
and I think selenium does that |
| 12:52 |
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libsysguy |
it has a FF plugin |
| 12:52 |
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kf |
libsysguy: it's is not sutpidly easy |
| 12:52 |
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kf |
even with the plugin :( |
| 12:52 |
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kf |
I had problems when the page took too long to load and stuff like that |
| 12:52 |
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libsysguy |
well maybe not now…I want to make it that way :p |
| 12:52 |
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kf |
but that was a few versions ago |
| 12:53 |
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kf |
and maybe it was just me being too stupid :) |
| 12:53 |
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libsysguy |
whatever kf you're a smarty-pants |
| 12:54 |
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kf |
lol |
| 12:54 |
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kf |
I can just pretend the software has improved a lot since last time I used it - whatever happens :) |
| 12:54 |
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libsysguy |
I'm just happy to be working on something other than the calendar |
| 12:55 |
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libsysguy |
is about ready to torch the calendar |
| 12:55 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
| 12:56 |
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libsysguy |
speaking of the calendar |
| 12:56 |
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libsysguy |
when is DBIx::Class going to get some QA love :p |
| 13:01 |
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magnuse |
dbic++ |
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| 13:31 |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
| 13:32 |
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libsysguy |
hi oleonard |
| 13:32 |
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oleonard |
fredericd around? |
| 13:45 |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse: no, of course, any Selenium tests will be joyfully accepted. |
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oleonard |
Hm, ccsr theme has no favicon. |
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oleonard |
The code which chooses the "default" include if it's not present in ccsr probably ignores favicon.ico. Not sure why favicon.ico is in includes anyway. |
| 14:26 |
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tcohen |
how was the pprocedure to change a commit message? |
| 14:26 |
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tcohen |
(we run out of coffee this morning, sorry) |
| 14:27 |
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kf |
tcohen: different ways to do it I think - git commit --amend maybe? |
| 14:28 |
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tcohen |
thanks kf |
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oleonard |
There are not packages for Data::Pagination , Data::Paginator, or Template::Plugin::HtmlToText ? |
| 14:51 |
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tcohen |
there are |
| 14:51 |
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tcohen |
for squeeze-dev i think |
| 14:52 |
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* oleonard |
is on Ubuntu 12.04 |
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tcohen |
oh, sorry, i was talking about debian.koha-community.org |
| 14:53 |
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tcohen |
eythian packaged those, but you need to add k-c repository |
| 15:01 |
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tcohen |
http://debian.koha-community.o[…]a/pool/main/libt/ |
| 15:02 |
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tcohen |
oleonard: looks like Data::Pagination doesn't have a package yert |
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kf |
tcohen: I think it's onl yneededfor solr - jcamins would now |
| 15:05 |
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kf |
know |
| 15:05 |
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kf |
sorry, bad typing |
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tcohen |
khall, when you did those tests for holidays, what did the RM say about adding them to all languages? |
| 15:06 |
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tcohen |
thanks kf, i was answering oleonard |
| 15:07 |
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tcohen |
jcamins_away |
| 15:07 |
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wahanui |
well, jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it! |
| 15:07 |
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tcohen |
r u there? |
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| 15:07 |
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* oleonard |
is trying an install of 3.10.x with an empty database |
| 15:07 |
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khall |
tcohen, it's been a while, what's the bug number on that one? |
| 15:08 |
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tcohen |
bug 8110 |
| 15:08 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 normal, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add tests for Calendar modules |
| 15:08 |
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tcohen |
i'm just about to post some more tests |
| 15:09 |
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tcohen |
and needed to know whether i should add them to all languages or not |
| 15:09 |
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kf |
tcohen: ah sorry, should read back first :) |
| 15:10 |
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khall |
tcohen: I would err on the side of all languages ( you can always make them a separate patch ) |
| 15:11 |
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tcohen |
oh, i remember fr didn't have the MPL branch defined |
| 15:11 |
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kf |
bye all |
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| 15:12 |
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khall |
tcohen, I think the answer is to add an MPL branch for all languages |
| 15:12 |
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tcohen |
thanks khall |
| 15:12 |
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tcohen |
(i agree) |
| 15:13 |
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khall |
always glad to help! |
| 15:16 |
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oleonard |
Is the system preferences Local Use tab supposed to be reserved for prefs which shouldn't really be changed? |
| 15:17 |
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oleonard |
If so, should it include OpacPrivacy and printcirculationslips? |
| 15:17 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: I am now. |
| 15:17 |
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tcohen |
i'm writing a few db-dependant tests |
| 15:17 |
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tcohen |
(holidays) |
| 15:18 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: the Local Use tab is for sysprefs that are being used for something other than system preference-y data. |
| 15:18 |
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jcamins |
(and local sysprefs) |
| 15:18 |
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tcohen |
would the RM want them on all languages? |
| 15:18 |
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tcohen |
or just en for sandbox testing? |
| 15:18 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: your tests should pass under all languages. |
| 15:19 |
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jcamins |
They do not have to be translated, however. |
| 15:19 |
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tcohen |
jcamins, do all db_dependent pass on all languages right now? |
| 15:19 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: all but the branch-related ones, I think. |
| 15:20 |
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jcamins |
(missing sample data) |
| 15:20 |
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tcohen |
so it is possible that Holidays.t fails fr non-en languages right now |
| 15:20 |
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tcohen |
(MPL branch is used) |
| 15:21 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, MPL is the branch that is missing from the non-en sample data. |
| 15:21 |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
| 15:22 |
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tcohen |
oops, exception holidays are not passing my tests :-( |
| 15:23 |
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tcohen |
i guess they will once 8800 is pushed |
| 15:24 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: that'd be a good thing to test. |
| 15:24 |
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jcamins |
*check |
| 15:24 |
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jcamins |
We like tests that fail when there's a bug and succeed when there isn't. |
| 15:26 |
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tcohen |
no, it won't fix it |
| 15:26 |
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tcohen |
theres another bug |
| 15:26 |
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jcamins |
Don't you hate that? |
| 15:26 |
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jcamins |
Fix a bug, and you find more. |
| 15:28 |
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tcohen |
with infinite time we'll fix them all |
| 15:28 |
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tcohen |
:-D |
| 15:29 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 15:29 |
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jcamins |
Something just struck me. |
| 15:30 |
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tcohen |
jcamins, is it ok if I make the patch depend on bug 8800? |
| 15:30 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
| 15:30 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: of course. |
| 15:30 |
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jcamins |
Right now, C4::VirtualShelves is not really Plack-safe, since any time the database connection times out, it fails to detect the new connection. |
| 15:31 |
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jcamins |
However, I seem to be the first person to have noticed this. |
| 15:31 |
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jcamins |
Does that mean that under Plack + MySQL database connections *never* time out? |
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* drojf |
sneaks in |
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* jcamins |
waves |
| 15:40 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 15:44 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: in some side remark on some authority-related bug you mentioned something about automating the creation of narrower/broader heading, so if i say "A is broader than B", "B is narrower then A" is automatically added. any concrete plans for that? |
| 15:48 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: not yet. |
| 15:48 |
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magnuse |
okelydokely |
| 15:51 |
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tcohen |
jcamins, fr-F R doesn't even have an 'optional' dir |
| 15:51 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: it's called something different. |
| 15:51 |
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tcohen |
(so it-IT and nb-NO) |
| 15:52 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: 1-Optionel |
| 15:52 |
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tcohen |
ok |
| 15:52 |
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tcohen |
it-IT doesnt have an alternate name |
| 15:52 |
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tcohen |
(nb-NO does) |
| 15:53 |
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jcamins |
It may simply be missing. |
| 15:53 |
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tcohen |
ok, i'll add the new sample holidays for those that have |
| 15:53 |
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tcohen |
and fill a bug for those that doesn't hace sample data |
| 15:58 |
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jcamins |
Sounds good, thanks! |
| 16:00 |
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magnuse |
for nb-NB it's mandator = Obligatorisk and optional = Valgfritt |
| 16:00 |
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magnuse |
i'm not sure using those names were a good idea, though |
| 16:00 |
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magnuse |
s/nb-NB/nb-NO/ |
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* cait |
waves |
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reiveune |
bye |
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* oleonard |
shakes his fist at Firfox for crashing while he was entering a bug |
| 17:10 |
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libsysguy |
shoulda used chrome |
| 17:10 |
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libsysguy |
:p |
| 17:32 |
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jcamins |
We're nearing the release of 3.10. |
| 17:36 |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: bug 8800, bug 9074, bug 9078, bug 9041 |
| 17:36 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
| 17:36 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9074 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , DB dependent tests for is_holiday |
| 17:36 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , is_holiday should honour holiday exceptions |
| 17:36 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9041 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Hourly fines does not work in koha 3.8.6 |
| 17:36 |
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jcamins |
Oh, not 9041, sorry. |
| 17:37 |
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libsysguy |
geez somebody has been busy |
| 17:44 |
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* jcamins |
would like signoffs on those three today or tomorrow... I should e-mail the list. |
| 17:44 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: are you sure those two are enhancements? |
| 17:44 |
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tcohen |
they are not :-D |
| 17:48 |
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tcohen |
ouch |
| 17:59 |
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tcohen |
gotta leave |
| 17:59 |
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tcohen |
bye koha |
| 18:17 |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
| 18:19 |
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rangi |
Morning |
| 18:19 |
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wahanui |
Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:19 |
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cait |
morning rangi |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
Morning. |
| 18:19 |
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wahanui |
somebody said morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:19 |
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oleonard |
Did they indeed wahanui? |
| 18:19 |
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oleonard |
I wonder who said that. |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
wahanui: who told you that morning was whenever the cat wants breakfast? |
| 18:19 |
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wahanui |
jcamins: wish i knew |
| 18:20 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: so does wahanui. |
| 18:21 |
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jcamins |
Now is apparently a good time for the cats to get into trouble. |
| 18:21 |
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jcamins |
Now? |
| 18:21 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that Now is good time with holidays coming up |
| 18:22 |
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jcamins |
True. |
| 18:22 |
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chris_n |
hi rangi |
| 18:22 |
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cait |
my bet is on brooke |
| 18:23 |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 18:23 |
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jcamins |
Probably. |
| 18:24 |
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oleonard |
Speaking of famfamfam, Bug 8662 would be so much fun to sign off on! |
| 18:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Remove unused famfamfam icons |
| 18:27 |
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rangi |
Hmm I should declare a 3.8.7 string freeze |
| 18:28 |
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rangi |
We are thinking you move 3.6.x to a 2 month cycle. So 3.6.11 in December |
| 18:29 |
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rangi |
There's only 2 patches so far |
| 18:29 |
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jcamins |
rangi: sounds good to me, so long as "you" was to someone other than me. :P |
| 18:29 |
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rangi |
Hehe I meant we |
| 18:29 |
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chris_n |
nice, broad, pronoun |
| 18:30 |
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rangi |
Wizzyrea and I |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
aw |
| 18:34 |
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oleonard |
Did y'all tell me that adding Bootstrap dependencies was not going to work until we upgraded Koha's license, because Apache 2.0 is incompatible? |
| 18:34 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: yes we did. |
| 18:35 |
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oleonard |
Okay, so let's officially restart the license discussion |
| 18:35 |
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jcamins |
+1 |
| 18:36 |
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oleonard |
mtj proposed doing so a couple months ago but asked for someone else to volunteer. I don't think I understand the details well enough to do it. Is anyone else willing? |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
same for me - not sure about the details |
| 18:38 |
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* chris_n |
fears it will bog down again |
| 18:38 |
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rangi |
I'm tarnished |
| 18:38 |
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jcamins |
I'm grouchy. |
| 18:39 |
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rangi |
But I would push for gpl3 |
| 18:39 |
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* druthb |
hands rangi the tarn-x, and hands jcamins a cookie. |
| 18:39 |
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rangi |
It was agpl3 that was contentious |
| 18:40 |
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rangi |
Moving from 2 or later to 3 or later shouldn't be an issue |
| 18:40 |
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rangi |
And doesn't even need permission but it is nice to get a consensus |
| 18:40 |
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jcamins |
Oh, you're right, it doesn't, does it? |
| 18:41 |
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* jcamins |
hadn't thought of that. |
| 18:41 |
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rangi |
Nope |
| 18:41 |
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jcamins |
Still a good idea to do it, of course. |
| 18:41 |
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rangi |
Just a general buy in |
| 18:41 |
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rangi |
Yep |
| 18:42 |
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rangi |
Ok my stop |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
but the other might be easier to achieve |
| 18:43 |
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jcamins |
cait: what other? |
| 18:43 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... other is to add additional counts. |
| 18:43 |
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jcamins |
GPL3? |
| 18:43 |
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wahanui |
i think GPL3 is rangi's default |
| 18:43 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that was rangi's point. :) |
| 18:44 |
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oleonard |
Well if no one wants to start the conversation by lobbying for something I'll start it by explaining my goal |
| 18:45 |
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cait |
yeah, gpl3 seems easier |
| 18:45 |
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cait |
and would help with some things like bootstrap |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
oleonard++ #again :) |
| 18:47 |
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jcamins |
The kitten just fell off the table. |
| 18:48 |
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cait |
oh no! |
| 18:48 |
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jcamins |
It seems to be fine. |
| 18:48 |
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cait |
oh, but it was not myshkin |
| 18:48 |
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cait |
but the blue one |
| 18:48 |
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cait |
today is wednesday. |
| 18:48 |
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jcamins |
Actually, it was my client's new kitten. |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
oh a new kitten? |
| 18:49 |
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jcamins |
The blue cat is old enough that he doesn't fall off tables. |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
which color is it? |
| 18:49 |
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jcamins |
Gray. |
| 18:49 |
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jcamins |
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net[…]_1015748123_n.jpg |
| 18:50 |
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jcamins |
Cat attack! |
| 18:50 |
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cait |
more a cute attack |
| 18:50 |
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cait |
maybe it will get to be blue when it#s grown up? |
| 18:50 |
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* gmcharlt |
looks at photo, dies from cuteness |
| 18:50 |
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jcamins |
You wouldn't find it so cute if it's clumsy little needle-sharp claws were flying at your face as it wiggled around trying to catch it's balance. :P |
| 18:51 |
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jcamins |
I don't think so. It's a different breed. |
| 18:51 |
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cait |
jcamins: I am not sure that would stop it from being cute |
| 18:51 |
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cait |
should we do something about gmcharlt? |
| 18:51 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 18:51 |
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* jcamins |
is too busy cowering, sorry. |
| 18:51 |
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gmcharlt |
heh |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
ah he is back |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
phew |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
gmcharlt: as you are here... |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
I added a topic to the next meeting, I was wondering if we could find a way to stop spam on the wiki more effectively |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
maybe if there is no other way by getting more people to delete it |
| 18:53 |
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* cait |
holds up picturs of cute cats |
| 18:53 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: sure |
| 19:01 |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ace=all&username= |
| 19:02 |
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rangi |
is what i watch |
| 19:02 |
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gmcharlt |
one option - do what EG does and have a group of people manually approving new accounts |
| 19:02 |
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rangi |
id be ok with that |
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| 19:03 |
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* jcamins |
is fine with that as long as he isn't one of those people. |
| 19:04 |
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rangi |
morning trea |
| 19:04 |
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trea |
morning rangi |
| 19:05 |
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cait |
morning rangi :) |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
gmcharlt: sounds ok to me too - if we get people from different timezones we should get it covered |
| 19:06 |
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gmcharlt |
sounds like a plan, then |
| 19:07 |
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gmcharlt |
and as long as we all survie jcamins' stream of cute kitty pictures... |
| 19:07 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 19:07 |
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cait |
lol |
| 19:07 |
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rangi |
bug 9072 |
| 19:07 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9072 enhancement, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Add sort order option to Linker |
| 19:07 |
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* jcamins |
approves of that. |
| 19:07 |
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rangi |
yeah it sounds good to me |
| 19:08 |
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jcamins |
Though if "History" and "History of Science" are both options for a link, that suggests there's something wrong with the UNIMARC Zebra configuration. |
| 19:08 |
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cait |
gmcharlt: will you be able to attend the next meeting? or maybe move to the mailing list? |
| 19:15 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: when is the next meeting? |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
next meeting? |
| 19:15 |
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wahanui |
next meeting is, like, 18 July 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
hm wroooong wahanui |
| 19:15 |
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jcamins |
Hm. Probably not. |
| 19:15 |
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* gmcharlt |
dials up his TARDIS |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
forget next meeting |
| 19:15 |
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wahanui |
cait: I forgot next meeting |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
next meeting is December 5th 18 UTC |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
next meeting? |
| 19:15 |
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wahanui |
i guess next meeting is December 5th 18 UTC |
| 19:15 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: yeah, I"ll be there |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
now I only hope I got the time right :) |
| 19:16 |
|
|
Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 5 December 2012 18:00 UTC |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
thx :) |
| 19:37 |
|
* chris_n |
watches nengard's qod tutorial and notes a bug in qod feature |
| 19:37 |
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chris_n |
nengard++ # for an excellent qod tutorial |
| 19:43 |
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maximep |
oleonard: have you looked at http://foundation.zurb.com/ ? |
| 19:44 |
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maximep |
pretty much same features as bootstrap, but mit license |
| 19:44 |
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maximep |
and based around sass |
| 19:44 |
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maximep |
I guess mit works with gpl2, right ? |
| 19:44 |
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cait |
does someone know where the opac news on the checkin slip is supposed to come from? I added news for opac in 2 languages and for slip, but none of those show up |
| 19:46 |
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jcamins |
maximep: the MIT license is compatible, but upgrading to GPLv3+ is a good idea anyway. |
| 19:47 |
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oleonard |
maximep: I haven't looked at it, but I'm more comfortable with Bootstrap just from the point of view of its large community |
| 19:48 |
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* jcamins |
isn't 100% comfortable with sass. |
| 19:48 |
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jcamins |
It requires a compilation step. |
| 19:49 |
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maximep |
yeah, but it is really amazing |
| 19:49 |
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maximep |
we switched to it on all our projects |
| 19:49 |
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oleonard |
maximep: It looks like it's mostly just a gride framework? It doesn't have the interface widgets that Bootstrap offers |
| 19:49 |
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maximep |
but I can understand |
| 19:49 |
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rangi |
gplv3 offers the patent protection |
| 19:50 |
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rangi |
which can't hurt |
| 19:51 |
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maximep |
oh youre looking to use bootstrap's widgets ? I didnt even know it included widgets |
| 19:51 |
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maximep |
I guess we only use it's grid |
| 19:51 |
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rangi |
right, training time |
| 19:51 |
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rangi |
bbl |
| 19:52 |
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maximep |
foundation has some http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/javascripts.php |
| 19:53 |
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chris_n |
now, if it really is only that easy :-) |
| 19:54 |
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maximep |
i can understand not wanting to use sass, but bootsrap uses less, no ? |
| 19:55 |
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oleonard |
It can be built using less, but doesn't have to be. |
| 19:56 |
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maximep |
ha ok |
| 19:57 |
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* jcamins |
is not the final word on this- if oleonard said "we should use sass," I would be convinced. |
| 19:57 |
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* oleonard |
isn't convinced that sass or less would make a big difference for Koha |
| 19:58 |
|
* maximep |
is |
| 19:58 |
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maximep |
because my coworker just convinced me |
| 19:59 |
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maximep |
you can have config files in foundation (in sass) and change all the fonts, colors |
| 19:59 |
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maximep |
etc, all in 1 config file |
| 19:59 |
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maximep |
I really think sass is the future |
| 20:00 |
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* cait |
sighs. |
| 20:00 |
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jcamins |
maximep: can't you do that in CSS too? |
| 20:00 |
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jcamins |
Isn't that the entire point of a stylesheet? |
| 20:00 |
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oleonard |
I could see that being a useful feature if we wanted to build a custom CSS configuration tool in the staff client, allowing users to generate their own theme |
| 20:00 |
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maximep |
yes, but you do it for every html tag |
| 20:00 |
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maximep |
sass has variables |
| 20:00 |
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oleonard |
...but that's a big step from saying "let's use it" |
| 20:01 |
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maximep |
and sass requires ruby :/ |
| 20:01 |
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maximep |
not always fun to install |
| 20:01 |
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maximep |
it sucks for windows folks :p |
| 20:01 |
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* jcamins |
will not be pushing anything that requires Ruby during 3.12. |
| 20:02 |
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* cait |
supports jcamins |
| 20:03 |
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maximep |
well it requires ruby for developers |
| 20:03 |
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maximep |
sass generates good old css |
| 20:03 |
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jcamins |
maximep: right. No Ruby dependencies. |
| 20:05 |
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oleonard |
I think sass and less are much more useful when you're frequently building sites from scratch. I don't see them as being so useful with the kind of incremental changes we usually deal with. |
| 20:06 |
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jcamins |
Bootstrap doesn't require Ruby, does it? |
| 20:07 |
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oleonard |
No |
| 20:07 |
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jcamins |
Good. |
| 20:07 |
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maximep |
less requires node.js... way worst. But I guess bootstraps doesnt *require* less :p |
| 20:08 |
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maximep |
you don't like ruby ? |
| 20:08 |
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maximep |
:P |
| 20:08 |
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jcamins |
maximep: no, Ruby's fine. |
| 20:08 |
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jcamins |
Just so long as it's not on my server. |
| 20:08 |
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maximep |
o_O |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
maximep: I think we shouldn't start making use of every language possible, but that's only my opinion :) |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
we already got java in the mix now with solr |
| 20:10 |
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maximep |
haha |
| 20:11 |
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maximep |
I can't wait for solr in koha |
| 20:11 |
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jcamins |
maximep: it's there. |
| 20:11 |
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jcamins |
You just can't use authorities with it. |
| 20:11 |
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maximep |
used it in a couple of projects and I just love it |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
Once the search rewrite is finished (hint hint) it will be on the same level of support as Zebra. |
| 20:12 |
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maximep |
yeah... I can't wait for a stable and feature complete solr |
| 20:12 |
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maximep |
in koha :p |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
Good news! |
| 20:12 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... good news is it looks like it's running properly. |
| 20:12 |
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maximep |
well then I can't wait for the search rewrite haha |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
It is within your power to make that come sooner! |
| 20:12 |
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jcamins |
search rewrite? |
| 20:12 |
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wahanui |
search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
Finished. |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
(with cataloging, not the search rewrite) |
| 20:13 |
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jcamins |
(but you can help with the completion of the search rewrite, just speak to your friendly neighborhood C & P representative about signing on as a sponsor) |
| 20:14 |
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oleonard |
Hey, what happened to that friendly neighborhood C & P representative? |
| 20:15 |
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jcamins_away |
oleonard: he hears all and sees all, fear not. :) |
| 20:15 |
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francharb` |
good night all |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
oleonard: can I just be imagining all those little and big things i find while testing? |
| 20:15 |
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oleonard |
? |
| 20:16 |
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cait |
I am filing bugs while testing notices :( |
| 20:17 |
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cait |
and I am waiting for someone to tell me it's me |
| 20:19 |
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oleonard |
I'm guessing it's not you cait. I work with notices very little though. |
| 20:19 |
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cait |
we use almost all of them in various libraries |
| 20:21 |
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maximep |
well if I had 10000$ I would sponsor the rewrite :p |
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cait |
maximep: I think he takes smaller amounts too ;) |
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bag |
@seen sekjal |
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huginn |
bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 41 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days |
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cait |
hi bag |
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bag |
heya cait |
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chris_n |
interesting: |
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chris_n |
Changes submitted for bug 9085 |
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chris_n |
Email sent to: |
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chris_n |
no one |
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chris_n |
Excluding: |
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chris_n |
koha-bugs lists.koha-community.org |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9085 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Installer will not run with DEBUG set |
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chris_n |
seems broken |
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chris_n |
should not updates to the status field be sent to someone? |
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cait |
hm |
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chris_n |
also, git-bz failed to set the status in spite of being told to do so |
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cait |
it looks a bit weird, yes, but my newly filed bugs went through I think |
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cait |
ah I know I think |
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cait |
it#s not sent to you, because you filed it |
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chris_n |
but it alos excludes koha-bugs |
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cait |
hm and it really didn't get there? |
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cait |
I see your change to needs signoff |
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cait |
and the patch |
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wahanui |
the patch is, like, in koha-patches |
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oleonard |
Me too |
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* chris_n |
hasn't had a mail from koha-bugs since may for some reason |
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chris_n |
hmm... bug spray must have worked too well |
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chris_n |
glad to know its working, though |
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chris_n |
tnx cait && oleonard |
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oleonard |
See ya #koha |
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eythian |
tcohen: I don't plan to package Data::Pagination as we aren't allowed to distribute it. |
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cait |
ouch |
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tcohen |
ouch |
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eythian |
and so shouldn't really be using it. |
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tcohen |
i thought all cpan modules where distributed under the same terms Perl is |
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eythian |
if so, that's great. This one has no license information at all. |
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* eythian |
looks to see if there's a standard rule for this |
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eythian |
http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]ensing_guidelines <-- here's the rules (even though it says guidelines) for licensing CPAN modules. This module violates the "must" rules by providing no licensing information. |
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cait |
eythian: so the author should fix it, I think? if he wants it on CPAN? |
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cait |
he/she |
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cait |
and hi eythian :) |
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eythian |
Well, it is on CPAN already. I've filed a bug against the module, and emailed the author, but had no response. |
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eythian |
hi cait |
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Guest5645 |
Hi. If I run: sudo koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults - then this should enable the default messaging options for all patrons, correct? what is the default? |
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eythian |
Guest5645: it should, yes |
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eythian |
the default is whatever you set in the patron category settings section of administration |
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Guest5645 |
so what is the default? because it doesn't seem to have changed any thing in the messaging options, nothing is ticked. |
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Guest5645 |
brb... |
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Jurgens |
Hi. had to go offline for a sec. i checked my default messaging options under home>administration>patron categories and its set to include item due and advance notice. |
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Jurgens |
when i ran the borrowers-force-messaging-defaults still no boxes are ticked. |
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eythian |
I haven't used that script, so I can't tell you for sure, but I would expect that to work. |
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eythian |
does koha-list --enabled --email do what you'd expect? |
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Jurgens |
I am able to have an email sent out when an item is checked in and out... but no other notices are being sent.. even when i run the process_message_queue script. |
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Jurgens |
and the overdues and advanced message script |
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Jurgens |
koha-list --enabled --email says grep: /etc/apace2/sites-available/library: Permission denied then on the next line prints library which is the instance name |
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eythian |
ok, that's an OK response. |
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eythian |
hmm |
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Jurgens |
so i just ran sudo koha-list --enabled --email and it prints the instance name. I have in the past told koha to enable sending emails. |
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Jurgens |
My question really is why am I automatically able to send check-in and check-out emails for manually adjusted for patrons, but the overdue messages doesn't work - i thought that should always be able to be sent when you've enabled emails. |
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eythian |
you could try running the command by hand. Along the lines of: PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults |
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eythian |
oh, prefix that with sudo -u koha-library env |
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eythian |
overdue notices should work, they are only calculated daily however. |
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eythian |
oh |
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eythian |
also, you should look at the docs for force-borrower-messaging-defaults |
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eythian |
as you need to pass it '--doit' to actually have it apply the changes. |
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eythian |
use '--help' for info |
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cait |
good night #koha |
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Jurgens |
when I try to pass the arguement --doit the terminal just spews up stuff saying it doens't understand it |
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eythian |
what exactly does it say? |
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eythian |
because this is in the code: |
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eythian |
my $result = GetOptions( |
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eythian |
'doit' => \$doit, |
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eythian |
so it almost certainly understands it |
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Jurgens |
so the standard line to my knowledge is: sudo koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults |
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Jurgens |
what is the best way to alter this to get it to force messaging defaults. |
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Jurgens |
To be honest, this is of little concern to me at this point, i just don't seem to be able to get any overdue messages sent at all. |
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eythian |
put '--doit' at the end should work |
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Jurgens |
I would rather have overdues sent than advanced notices and hold notices etc... |
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Jurgens |
i did try --doit at the end.. did nothing. |
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eythian |
when you say nothing, what do you mean? |
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eythian |
<Jurgens> when I try to pass the arguement --doit the terminal just spews up stuff saying it doens't understand it |
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Jurgens |
oh wait.. it did work now |
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Jurgens |
yay!... |
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eythian |
because that isn't nothing |
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eythian |
:) |
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eythian |
excellent |
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Jurgens |
hi 5. |
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eythian |
so as for the overdues, does it create them and not send them, or not create them at all? |
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eythian |
you can tell my looking in the message_queue table |
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eythian |
*by |
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Jurgens |
ok.. so just checked the table - and confirmed in koha under the specific patron notices section that there are hold available for pick up notices. |
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Jurgens |
but no overdues. |
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Jurgens |
the status is pending |
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melia |
the status of the hold available is pending? or you see overdue notices with status pending? |
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Jurgens |
The status of the hold avialable message is pending.. there aren't any overdue notices that were generated,pending or sent at all. only hold messages. |
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melia |
have you set the triggers for overdue notices in Tools? |
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eythian |
pending means that it hasn't been sent yet. Sending happens whenever the process_messages cron job runs. |
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melia |
also, do you have the cron jobs set up correctly? |
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eythian |
typically every 15 minutes or so |
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melia |
you need the advance notice one, the overdue notice one, and process_message_queue all turned on for this to work |
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eythian |
in a package setup, these are all pre-configured for you. |
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Jurgens |
yes... packages setup |
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eythian |
but you will have to configure your triggers in Tools, as melia says. |
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melia |
(for the overdue notices, that is) |
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Jurgens |
yes triggers...3 days past due |
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Jurgens |
i set the specific library for 3 days... and the default as 3 days... does this confilct? |
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melia |
maybe something in here will help you: http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]shooting-notices/ |
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melia |
that's about all of the ideas I have, anyway :) |
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Jurgens |
if i manually run the over_due.pl script.. if i say like sudo koha-foreach --enabbled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl i get the following output |
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Jurgens |
use of uninitialized value in pattern matc (m//) at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 670 |
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Jurgens |
this is printed several times |
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melia |
did anyone already ask what version of Koha you are running? I remember some bugs a while back with overdue notices (like 8607) |
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Jurgens |
3.8.6 |
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melia |
well I don't think that bug's your problem then |
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eythian |
I'm not sure, it tends to work for me :) |
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Jurgens |
i think i found the problem.. it in the message body i have <item>"<<biblio.title>>.......but no closing </item> |
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eythian |
I think I have seen that error before, hasn't caused problems that I know of. |
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Jurgens |
because in line 670 of the script this is what it points to. |
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eythian |
hmm, OK. That shouldn't prevent the sending though. |
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melia |
I have seen that error, too, with no problems |
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eythian |
just make them look funny |
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melia |
are you seeing no overdue notice for a particular patron? or for all patrons? |
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melia |
if particular patron, does he/she have a valid email address? |
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melia |
because if not, he would go into the print overdue that gets sent to the library, so you wouldn't see any email on his notices tab |
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Jurgens |
no patrons, a few don't have email addressess. but most have valid ones. now i corrected the overdue notice i see errors in line 659 and 670... |
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melia |
is the code of the notice unique? (i.e., you don't have more than one notice with code ODUE, do you?) |
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Jurgens |
nope... should the fines be run before the overdue script? manually i mean.. because I am not including fine values in the notice... but line 659 in the overdue script is about processing fines. |
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melia |
don't think fines will have any effect on whether or not notices are sent out |
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eythian |
yeah, afaik it doesn't |
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melia |
oh wait a minute - are you just running overdue_notices.pl manually and then checking the patron's notices tab to see if there's a notice there? if so, you won't see it until you run process_message_queue, I think |
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melia |
overdue_notices.pl just puts the message in the queue. it doesn't get emailed anywhere until process_message_queue.pl runs. |
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eythian |
if you're seeing messages marked as "pending", you're looking in the right place. |
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Jurgens |
but what about the error messages i get when manually running the overdue script? |
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eythian |
so the cron file runs: |
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eythian |
koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t |
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eythian |
koha-foreach --enabled /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl |
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eythian |
do you have '-t'? (not sure off the top of my head what it does) |
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melia |
it means the notice goes out only when the item hits the trigger |
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Jurgens |
no.. i accidentally forgot to add it.. when adding it ..no error messages... |
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Jurgens |
that makes sense..thank you.. |
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Jurgens |
next step..process the queue.. brb |
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Jurgens |
ok seems that this is all working fantastically now. |
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Jurgens |
i see sent messages.. and it appears to be sent to mailq succesfully |
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melia |
great! |
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eythian |
sweet :) |
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Jurgens |
now i will check to make sure that all the right members received emails and didn't miss any.. thank you so much for your help. |
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Jurgens |
it seems obvious now.. but when I tried it with the manuals .. i was just missing something. thank you very much |
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eythian |
no worries :) |
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Jurgens |
another quick question.. I was working offline.. I can delete the messages before its sent using postfix no problem.. is there away to flush the messages sent to members? |
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Jurgens |
so it doens't show in the notices section of each patron. |
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melia |
I don't know of any way to clean out the notices tab, sorry |
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Jurgens |
I guess I can trucate the messages table in mysql... |
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eythian |
Jurgens: yeah, truncate the table is what I'd do |
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eythian |
I'm not sure if there's a script that'll do that, but it's possible |
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eythian |
wait, there is |
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eythian |
koha-foreach --enabled --noemail /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl --mail |
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eythian |
it does that if you don't have mail enabled so the table doesn't get fuller and fuller |
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Jurgens |
oh yeah thats right.. thank you again. |
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Jurgens |
ok.. seems that I am set now. Cheers. |
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eythian |
cool |
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eythian |
Jurgens: where are you based? |
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Jurgens |
New Zealand. |
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Jurgens |
And you? |
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eythian |
Wellington, hence asking :) |
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Jurgens |
Auckland to be specific. |
| 23:07 |
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eythian |
cool, is this a new Auckland Koha library? |
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Jurgens |
Yeah I'm in the process of setting up a library for my Mom's Guild - they've got quite a few thousand books and magazines and they were on the old card system. But it was getting to the point were it was a nightmare to manage and sort and keep track off. So i suggested this. |
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Jurgens |
My problem is that I am a Chemical Materials Engineer - not software! So I had a steep learning curve - it seems to have gone well though. Things work now, and I just had the automated messages to learn. |
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eythian |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_Users_Worldwide <-- don't forget to add the details to this |
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Jurgens |
No doubt I will have a lot of learning still ahead, but I am catching up. |
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Jurgens |
Yes. Thanks for that. |
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eythian |
yeah, it's a fairly complex application, but once it's up and running, it tends to just keep going |
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Jurgens |
My biggest hurdle will be to train the next head librarian! |
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eythian |
haha :) |
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Jurgens |
Its the Auckland Patchworkers & Quilters Guild library - so mostly people focused on the artistic side! But I've noticed now that I've shown its possible they are keen to look at a lot more things like setting up blogs etc. So lots of excitement. |
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eythian |
awesome, a nice pretty public OPAC gets people quite keen on that sort of thing too |
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Jurgens |
yes, the next part of the implimentation - but probably a target of next year - is to get the OPAC hosted possibly using their website IT guys. |
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Jurgens |
I know it can be done by myself - as long as I have a domain for it - but something to look at over the summer. |
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Jurgens |
At the moment we are just using it on a closed network - the reason being they meet monthly so they don't have a permanent library. But once we have the OPAC available I'm guessing that at least people can have access to their accounts from home and search for items etc. |
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mtj |
Jurgens, congrats on your Koha :) |
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libsysguy |
wow this sounds familiar http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blo[…]o-cyanogenmod-org |
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