Time Nick Message 23:44 libsysguy wow this sounds familiar http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/psa-transition-to-cyanogenmod-org 23:28 mtj Jurgens, congrats on your Koha :) 23:18 Jurgens At the moment we are just using it on a closed network - the reason being they meet monthly so they don't have a permanent library. But once we have the OPAC available I'm guessing that at least people can have access to their accounts from home and search for items etc. 23:16 Jurgens I know it can be done by myself - as long as I have a domain for it - but something to look at over the summer. 23:16 Jurgens yes, the next part of the implimentation - but probably a target of next year - is to get the OPAC hosted possibly using their website IT guys. 23:15 eythian awesome, a nice pretty public OPAC gets people quite keen on that sort of thing too 23:13 Jurgens Its the Auckland Patchworkers & Quilters Guild library - so mostly people focused on the artistic side! But I've noticed now that I've shown its possible they are keen to look at a lot more things like setting up blogs etc. So lots of excitement. 23:11 eythian haha :) 23:10 Jurgens My biggest hurdle will be to train the next head librarian! 23:10 eythian yeah, it's a fairly complex application, but once it's up and running, it tends to just keep going 23:10 Jurgens Yes. Thanks for that. 23:09 Jurgens No doubt I will have a lot of learning still ahead, but I am catching up. 23:09 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide <-- don't forget to add the details to this 23:09 Jurgens My problem is that I am a Chemical Materials Engineer - not software! So I had a steep learning curve - it seems to have gone well though. Things work now, and I just had the automated messages to learn. 23:08 Jurgens Yeah I'm in the process of setting up a library for my Mom's Guild - they've got quite a few thousand books and magazines and they were on the old card system. But it was getting to the point were it was a nightmare to manage and sort and keep track off. So i suggested this. 23:07 eythian cool, is this a new Auckland Koha library? 23:06 Jurgens Auckland to be specific. 23:06 eythian Wellington, hence asking :) 23:06 Jurgens And you? 23:06 Jurgens New Zealand. 23:06 eythian Jurgens: where are you based? 23:05 eythian cool 23:05 Jurgens ok.. seems that I am set now. Cheers. 23:05 Jurgens oh yeah thats right.. thank you again. 23:01 eythian it does that if you don't have mail enabled so the table doesn't get fuller and fuller 23:01 eythian koha-foreach --enabled --noemail /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl --mail 23:01 eythian wait, there is 23:01 eythian I'm not sure if there's a script that'll do that, but it's possible 23:01 eythian Jurgens: yeah, truncate the table is what I'd do 22:57 Jurgens I guess I can trucate the messages table in mysql... 22:57 melia I don't know of any way to clean out the notices tab, sorry 22:55 Jurgens so it doens't show in the notices section of each patron. 22:55 Jurgens another quick question.. I was working offline.. I can delete the messages before its sent using postfix no problem.. is there away to flush the messages sent to members? 22:52 eythian no worries :) 22:51 Jurgens it seems obvious now.. but when I tried it with the manuals .. i was just missing something. thank you very much 22:51 Jurgens now i will check to make sure that all the right members received emails and didn't miss any.. thank you so much for your help. 22:50 eythian sweet :) 22:50 melia great! 22:50 Jurgens i see sent messages.. and it appears to be sent to mailq succesfully 22:49 Jurgens ok seems that this is all working fantastically now. 22:46 Jurgens next step..process the queue.. brb 22:46 Jurgens that makes sense..thank you.. 22:46 Jurgens no.. i accidentally forgot to add it.. when adding it ..no error messages... 22:46 melia it means the notice goes out only when the item hits the trigger 22:45 eythian do you have '-t'? (not sure off the top of my head what it does) 22:45 eythian koha-foreach --enabled /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl 22:45 eythian koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t 22:45 eythian so the cron file runs: 22:45 Jurgens but what about the error messages i get when manually running the overdue script? 22:45 eythian if you're seeing messages marked as "pending", you're looking in the right place. 22:45 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Quote of the Day Feature in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/YQLH02PO" 22:44 melia overdue_notices.pl just puts the message in the queue. it doesn't get emailed anywhere until process_message_queue.pl runs. 22:44 melia oh wait a minute - are you just running overdue_notices.pl manually and then checking the patron's notices tab to see if there's a notice there? if so, you won't see it until you run process_message_queue, I think 22:43 eythian yeah, afaik it doesn't 22:41 melia don't think fines will have any effect on whether or not notices are sent out 22:41 Jurgens nope... should the fines be run before the overdue script? manually i mean.. because I am not including fine values in the notice... but line 659 in the overdue script is about processing fines. 22:40 melia is the code of the notice unique? (i.e., you don't have more than one notice with code ODUE, do you?) 22:39 Jurgens no patrons, a few don't have email addressess. but most have valid ones. now i corrected the overdue notice i see errors in line 659 and 670... 22:38 melia because if not, he would go into the print overdue that gets sent to the library, so you wouldn't see any email on his notices tab 22:38 melia if particular patron, does he/she have a valid email address? 22:38 melia are you seeing no overdue notice for a particular patron? or for all patrons? 22:37 eythian just make them look funny 22:37 melia I have seen that error, too, with no problems 22:37 eythian hmm, OK. That shouldn't prevent the sending though. 22:37 Jurgens because in line 670 of the script this is what it points to. 22:37 eythian I think I have seen that error before, hasn't caused problems that I know of. 22:37 Jurgens i think i found the problem.. it in the message body i have <item>"<<biblio.title>>.......but no closing </item> 22:37 eythian I'm not sure, it tends to work for me :) 22:34 melia well I don't think that bug's your problem then 22:34 Jurgens 3.8.6 22:33 melia did anyone already ask what version of Koha you are running? I remember some bugs a while back with overdue notices (like 8607) 22:33 Jurgens this is printed several times 22:33 Jurgens use of uninitialized value in pattern matc (m//) at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 670 22:32 Jurgens if i manually run the over_due.pl script.. if i say like sudo koha-foreach --enabbled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl i get the following output 22:31 melia that's about all of the ideas I have, anyway :) 22:30 melia maybe something in here will help you: http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/11/09/troubleshooting-notices/ 22:29 Jurgens i set the specific library for 3 days... and the default as 3 days... does this confilct? 22:29 Jurgens yes triggers...3 days past due 22:28 melia (for the overdue notices, that is) 22:27 eythian but you will have to configure your triggers in Tools, as melia says. 22:27 Jurgens yes... packages setup 22:26 eythian in a package setup, these are all pre-configured for you. 22:26 melia you need the advance notice one, the overdue notice one, and process_message_queue all turned on for this to work 22:26 eythian typically every 15 minutes or so 22:26 melia also, do you have the cron jobs set up correctly? 22:26 eythian pending means that it hasn't been sent yet. Sending happens whenever the process_messages cron job runs. 22:25 melia have you set the triggers for overdue notices in Tools? 22:25 Jurgens The status of the hold avialable message is pending.. there aren't any overdue notices that were generated,pending or sent at all. only hold messages. 22:25 melia the status of the hold available is pending? or you see overdue notices with status pending? 22:24 Jurgens the status is pending 22:24 Jurgens but no overdues. 22:24 Jurgens ok.. so just checked the table - and confirmed in koha under the specific patron notices section that there are hold available for pick up notices. 22:18 eythian *by 22:18 eythian you can tell my looking in the message_queue table 22:18 eythian so as for the overdues, does it create them and not send them, or not create them at all? 22:17 Jurgens hi 5. 22:17 eythian excellent 22:17 eythian :) 22:17 eythian because that isn't nothing 22:17 Jurgens yay!... 22:17 Jurgens oh wait.. it did work now 22:17 eythian <Jurgens> when I try to pass the arguement --doit the terminal just spews up stuff saying it doens't understand it 22:16 eythian when you say nothing, what do you mean? 22:16 Jurgens i did try --doit at the end.. did nothing. 22:16 Jurgens I would rather have overdues sent than advanced notices and hold notices etc... 22:16 eythian put '--doit' at the end should work 22:16 Jurgens To be honest, this is of little concern to me at this point, i just don't seem to be able to get any overdue messages sent at all. 22:15 Jurgens what is the best way to alter this to get it to force messaging defaults. 22:14 Jurgens so the standard line to my knowledge is: sudo koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults 22:08 eythian so it almost certainly understands it 22:08 eythian 'doit' => \$doit, 22:08 eythian my $result = GetOptions( 22:08 eythian because this is in the code: 22:08 eythian what exactly does it say? 22:06 Jurgens when I try to pass the arguement --doit the terminal just spews up stuff saying it doens't understand it 22:00 cait good night #koha 21:52 eythian use '--help' for info 21:52 eythian as you need to pass it '--doit' to actually have it apply the changes. 21:52 eythian also, you should look at the docs for force-borrower-messaging-defaults 21:52 eythian oh 21:51 eythian overdue notices should work, they are only calculated daily however. 21:51 eythian oh, prefix that with sudo -u koha-library env 21:50 eythian you could try running the command by hand. Along the lines of: PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults 21:50 Jurgens My question really is why am I automatically able to send check-in and check-out emails for manually adjusted for patrons, but the overdue messages doesn't work - i thought that should always be able to be sent when you've enabled emails. 21:49 Jurgens so i just ran sudo koha-list --enabled --email and it prints the instance name. I have in the past told koha to enable sending emails. 21:49 eythian hmm 21:49 eythian ok, that's an OK response. 21:48 Jurgens koha-list --enabled --email says grep: /etc/apace2/sites-available/library: Permission denied then on the next line prints library which is the instance name 21:47 Jurgens and the overdues and advanced message script 21:46 Jurgens I am able to have an email sent out when an item is checked in and out... but no other notices are being sent.. even when i run the process_message_queue script. 21:46 eythian does koha-list --enabled --email do what you'd expect? 21:46 eythian I haven't used that script, so I can't tell you for sure, but I would expect that to work. 21:45 Jurgens when i ran the borrowers-force-messaging-defaults still no boxes are ticked. 21:45 Jurgens Hi. had to go offline for a sec. i checked my default messaging options under home>administration>patron categories and its set to include item due and advance notice. 21:39 Guest5645 brb... 21:38 Guest5645 so what is the default? because it doesn't seem to have changed any thing in the messaging options, nothing is ticked. 21:38 eythian the default is whatever you set in the patron category settings section of administration 21:38 eythian Guest5645: it should, yes 21:37 Guest5645 Hi. If I run: sudo koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults - then this should enable the default messaging options for all patrons, correct? what is the default? 21:29 eythian hi cait 21:28 eythian Well, it is on CPAN already. I've filed a bug against the module, and emailed the author, but had no response. 21:28 cait and hi eythian :) 21:27 cait he/she 21:27 cait eythian: so the author should fix it, I think? if he wants it on CPAN? 21:25 eythian http://www.perlfoundation.org/cpan_licensing_guidelines <-- here's the rules (even though it says guidelines) for licensing CPAN modules. This module violates the "must" rules by providing no licensing information. 21:25 cait [off] https://twitter.com/mbreeding/status/268818733454204929 21:21 * eythian looks to see if there's a standard rule for this 21:20 eythian if so, that's great. This one has no license information at all. 21:20 tcohen i thought all cpan modules where distributed under the same terms Perl is 21:20 eythian and so shouldn't really be using it. 21:20 tcohen ouch 21:19 cait ouch 21:19 eythian tcohen: I don't plan to package Data::Pagination as we aren't allowed to distribute it. 21:09 oleonard See ya #koha 20:47 chris_n tnx cait && oleonard 20:46 chris_n glad to know its working, though 20:46 chris_n hmm... bug spray must have worked too well 20:45 * chris_n hasn't had a mail from koha-bugs since may for some reason 20:45 oleonard Me too 20:45 wahanui the patch is, like, in koha-patches 20:45 cait and the patch 20:45 cait I see your change to needs signoff 20:44 cait hm and it really didn't get there? 20:44 chris_n but it alos excludes koha-bugs 20:44 cait it#s not sent to you, because you filed it 20:44 cait ah I know I think 20:44 cait it looks a bit weird, yes, but my newly filed bugs went through I think 20:44 chris_n also, git-bz failed to set the status in spite of being told to do so 20:44 cait hm 20:43 chris_n should not updates to the status field be sent to someone? 20:43 chris_n seems broken 20:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9085 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Installer will not run with DEBUG set 20:43 chris_n koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org 20:43 chris_n Excluding: 20:43 chris_n no one 20:43 chris_n Email sent to: 20:43 chris_n Changes submitted for bug 9085 20:43 chris_n interesting: 20:40 bag heya cait 20:40 cait hi bag 20:38 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 41 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days 20:38 bag @seen sekjal 20:30 cait maximep: I think he takes smaller amounts too ;) 20:21 maximep well if I had 10000$ I would sponsor the rewrite :p 20:19 cait we use almost all of them in various libraries 20:19 oleonard I'm guessing it's not you cait. I work with notices very little though. 20:17 cait and I am waiting for someone to tell me it's me 20:16 cait I am filing bugs while testing notices :( 20:15 oleonard ? 20:15 cait oleonard: can I just be imagining all those little and big things i find while testing? 20:15 francharb` good night all 20:15 jcamins_away oleonard: he hears all and sees all, fear not. :) 20:14 oleonard Hey, what happened to that friendly neighborhood C & P representative? 20:13 jcamins (but you can help with the completion of the search rewrite, just speak to your friendly neighborhood C & P representative about signing on as a sponsor) 20:13 jcamins (with cataloging, not the search rewrite) 20:13 jcamins Finished. 20:12 wahanui search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 20:12 jcamins search rewrite? 20:12 jcamins It is within your power to make that come sooner! 20:12 maximep well then I can't wait for the search rewrite haha 20:12 wahanui hmmm... good news is it looks like it's running properly. 20:12 jcamins Good news! 20:12 maximep in koha :p 20:12 maximep yeah... I can't wait for a stable and feature complete solr 20:12 jcamins Once the search rewrite is finished (hint hint) it will be on the same level of support as Zebra. 20:11 maximep used it in a couple of projects and I just love it 20:11 jcamins You just can't use authorities with it. 20:11 jcamins maximep: it's there. 20:11 maximep I can't wait for solr in koha 20:10 maximep haha 20:10 cait we already got java in the mix now with solr 20:10 cait maximep: I think we shouldn't start making use of every language possible, but that's only my opinion :) 20:08 maximep o_O 20:08 jcamins Just so long as it's not on my server. 20:08 jcamins maximep: no, Ruby's fine. 20:08 maximep :P 20:08 maximep you don't like ruby ? 20:07 maximep less requires node.js... way worst. But I guess bootstraps doesnt *require* less :p 20:07 jcamins Good. 20:07 oleonard No 20:06 jcamins Bootstrap doesn't require Ruby, does it? 20:05 oleonard I think sass and less are much more useful when you're frequently building sites from scratch. I don't see them as being so useful with the kind of incremental changes we usually deal with. 20:03 jcamins maximep: right. No Ruby dependencies. 20:03 maximep sass generates good old css 20:03 maximep well it requires ruby for developers 20:02 * cait supports jcamins 20:01 * jcamins will not be pushing anything that requires Ruby during 3.12. 20:01 maximep it sucks for windows folks :p 20:01 maximep not always fun to install 20:01 maximep and sass requires ruby :/ 20:00 oleonard ...but that's a big step from saying "let's use it" 20:00 maximep sass has variables 20:00 maximep yes, but you do it for every html tag 20:00 oleonard I could see that being a useful feature if we wanted to build a custom CSS configuration tool in the staff client, allowing users to generate their own theme 20:00 jcamins Isn't that the entire point of a stylesheet? 20:00 jcamins maximep: can't you do that in CSS too? 20:00 * cait sighs. 19:59 maximep I really think sass is the future 19:59 maximep etc, all in 1 config file 19:59 maximep you can have config files in foundation (in sass) and change all the fonts, colors 19:58 maximep because my coworker just convinced me 19:58 * maximep is 19:57 * oleonard isn't convinced that sass or less would make a big difference for Koha 19:57 * jcamins is not the final word on this- if oleonard said "we should use sass," I would be convinced. 19:56 maximep ha ok 19:55 oleonard It can be built using less, but doesn't have to be. 19:54 maximep i can understand not wanting to use sass, but bootsrap uses less, no ? 19:53 chris_n now, if it really is only that easy :-) 19:52 maximep foundation has some http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/javascripts.php 19:51 rangi bbl 19:51 rangi right, training time 19:51 maximep I guess we only use it's grid 19:51 maximep oh youre looking to use bootstrap's widgets ? I didnt even know it included widgets 19:50 rangi which can't hurt 19:49 rangi gplv3 offers the patent protection 19:49 maximep but I can understand 19:49 oleonard maximep: It looks like it's mostly just a gride framework? It doesn't have the interface widgets that Bootstrap offers 19:49 maximep we switched to it on all our projects 19:49 maximep yeah, but it is really amazing 19:48 jcamins It requires a compilation step. 19:48 * jcamins isn't 100% comfortable with sass. 19:47 oleonard maximep: I haven't looked at it, but I'm more comfortable with Bootstrap just from the point of view of its large community 19:46 jcamins maximep: the MIT license is compatible, but upgrading to GPLv3+ is a good idea anyway. 19:44 cait does someone know where the opac news on the checkin slip is supposed to come from? I added news for opac in 2 languages and for slip, but none of those show up 19:44 maximep I guess mit works with gpl2, right ? 19:44 maximep and based around sass 19:44 maximep pretty much same features as bootstrap, but mit license 19:43 maximep oleonard: have you looked at http://foundation.zurb.com/ ? 19:37 chris_n nengard++ # for an excellent qod tutorial 19:37 * chris_n watches nengard's qod tutorial and notes a bug in qod feature 19:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Quote of the Day Feature in Koha 3.10 http://t.co/NJ12w7O4 #kohails" 19:16 cait thx :) 19:15 cait now I only hope I got the time right :) 19:15 gmcharlt cait: yeah, I"ll be there 19:15 wahanui i guess next meeting is December 5th 18 UTC 19:15 cait next meeting? 19:15 cait next meeting is December 5th 18 UTC 19:15 wahanui cait: I forgot next meeting 19:15 cait forget next meeting 19:15 * gmcharlt dials up his TARDIS 19:15 jcamins Hm. Probably not. 19:15 cait hm wroooong wahanui 19:15 wahanui next meeting is, like, 18 July 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 19:15 cait next meeting? 19:15 gmcharlt cait: when is the next meeting? 19:08 cait gmcharlt: will you be able to attend the next meeting? or maybe move to the mailing list? 19:08 jcamins Though if "History" and "History of Science" are both options for a link, that suggests there's something wrong with the UNIMARC Zebra configuration. 19:07 rangi yeah it sounds good to me 19:07 * jcamins approves of that. 19:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9072 enhancement, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Add sort order option to Linker 19:07 rangi bug 9072 19:07 cait lol 19:07 rangi heh 19:07 gmcharlt and as long as we all survie jcamins' stream of cute kitty pictures... 19:06 gmcharlt sounds like a plan, then 19:06 cait gmcharlt: sounds ok to me too - if we get people from different timezones we should get it covered 19:05 cait morning rangi :) 19:04 trea morning rangi 19:04 rangi morning trea 19:03 * jcamins is fine with that as long as he isn't one of those people. 19:02 rangi id be ok with that 19:02 gmcharlt one option - do what EG does and have a group of people manually approving new accounts 19:02 rangi is what i watch 19:01 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ANewPages&namespace=all&username= 18:58 cait [off] http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Finding_Turn-around_Stock_Investing_Opportunities :( 18:53 gmcharlt cait: sure 18:53 * cait holds up picturs of cute cats 18:52 cait maybe if there is no other way by getting more people to delete it 18:52 cait I added a topic to the next meeting, I was wondering if we could find a way to stop spam on the wiki more effectively 18:52 cait gmcharlt: as you are here... 18:52 cait phew 18:52 cait ah he is back 18:51 gmcharlt heh 18:51 * jcamins is too busy cowering, sorry. 18:51 jcamins lol 18:51 cait should we do something about gmcharlt? 18:51 cait jcamins: I am not sure that would stop it from being cute 18:51 jcamins I don't think so. It's a different breed. 18:50 jcamins You wouldn't find it so cute if it's clumsy little needle-sharp claws were flying at your face as it wiggled around trying to catch it's balance. :P 18:50 * gmcharlt looks at photo, dies from cuteness 18:50 cait maybe it will get to be blue when it#s grown up? 18:50 cait more a cute attack 18:50 jcamins Cat attack! 18:49 jcamins https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/59622_964307957209_1015748123_n.jpg 18:49 jcamins Gray. 18:49 cait which color is it? 18:49 jcamins The blue cat is old enough that he doesn't fall off tables. 18:49 cait oh a new kitten? 18:48 jcamins Actually, it was my client's new kitten. 18:48 cait today is wednesday. 18:48 cait but the blue one 18:48 cait oh, but it was not myshkin 18:48 jcamins It seems to be fine. 18:48 cait oh no! 18:47 jcamins The kitten just fell off the table. 18:46 cait oleonard++ #again :) 18:45 cait and would help with some things like bootstrap 18:45 cait yeah, gpl3 seems easier 18:44 oleonard Well if no one wants to start the conversation by lobbying for something I'll start it by explaining my goal 18:43 jcamins Yeah, that was rangi's point. :) 18:43 wahanui i think GPL3 is rangi's default 18:43 jcamins GPL3? 18:43 wahanui hmmm... other is to add additional counts. 18:43 jcamins cait: what other? 18:43 cait but the other might be easier to achieve 18:42 rangi Ok my stop 18:41 rangi Yep 18:41 rangi Just a general buy in 18:41 jcamins Still a good idea to do it, of course. 18:41 rangi Nope 18:41 * jcamins hadn't thought of that. 18:40 jcamins Oh, you're right, it doesn't, does it? 18:40 rangi And doesn't even need permission but it is nice to get a consensus 18:40 rangi Moving from 2 or later to 3 or later shouldn't be an issue 18:39 rangi It was agpl3 that was contentious 18:39 * druthb hands rangi the tarn-x, and hands jcamins a cookie. 18:39 rangi But I would push for gpl3 18:38 jcamins I'm grouchy. 18:38 rangi I'm tarnished 18:38 * chris_n fears it will bog down again 18:37 cait same for me - not sure about the details 18:36 oleonard mtj proposed doing so a couple months ago but asked for someone else to volunteer. I don't think I understand the details well enough to do it. Is anyone else willing? 18:35 jcamins +1 18:35 oleonard Okay, so let's officially restart the license discussion 18:34 jcamins oleonard: yes we did. 18:34 oleonard Did y'all tell me that adding Bootstrap dependencies was not going to work until we upgraded Koha's license, because Apache 2.0 is incompatible? 18:31 cait aw 18:30 rangi Wizzyrea and I 18:29 chris_n nice, broad, pronoun 18:29 rangi Hehe I meant we 18:29 jcamins rangi: sounds good to me, so long as "you" was to someone other than me. :P 18:29 rangi There's only 2 patches so far 18:28 rangi We are thinking you move 3.6.x to a 2 month cycle. So 3.6.11 in December 18:27 rangi Hmm I should declare a 3.8.7 string freeze 18:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Remove unused famfamfam icons 18:24 oleonard Speaking of famfamfam, Bug 8662 would be so much fun to sign off on! 18:23 jcamins Probably. 18:23 jcamins Hehe. 18:22 cait my bet is on brooke 18:22 chris_n hi rangi 18:22 jcamins True. 18:21 wahanui it has been said that Now is good time with holidays coming up 18:21 jcamins Now? 18:21 jcamins Now is apparently a good time for the cats to get into trouble. 18:20 jcamins oleonard: so does wahanui. 18:19 wahanui jcamins: wish i knew 18:19 jcamins wahanui: who told you that morning was whenever the cat wants breakfast? 18:19 oleonard I wonder who said that. 18:19 oleonard Did they indeed wahanui? 18:19 wahanui somebody said morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:19 jcamins Morning. 18:19 cait morning rangi 18:19 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:19 rangi Morning 18:17 cait oleonard++ 17:59 tcohen bye koha 17:59 tcohen gotta leave 17:48 tcohen ouch 17:44 tcohen they are not :-D 17:44 jcamins tcohen: are you sure those two are enhancements? 17:44 * jcamins would like signoffs on those three today or tomorrow... I should e-mail the list. 17:37 libsysguy geez somebody has been busy 17:36 jcamins Oh, not 9041, sorry. 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9041 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Hourly fines does not work in koha 3.8.6 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , is_holiday should honour holiday exceptions 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9074 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , DB dependent tests for is_holiday 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour 17:36 jcamins libsysguy: bug 8800, bug 9074, bug 9078, bug 9041 17:32 jcamins We're nearing the release of 3.10. 17:10 libsysguy :p 17:10 libsysguy shoulda used chrome 17:07 * oleonard shakes his fist at Firfox for crashing while he was entering a bug 16:39 reiveune bye 16:23 * cait waves 16:00 magnuse s/nb-NB/nb-NO/ 16:00 magnuse i'm not sure using those names were a good idea, though 16:00 magnuse for nb-NB it's mandator = Obligatorisk and optional = Valgfritt 15:58 jcamins Sounds good, thanks! 15:53 tcohen and fill a bug for those that doesn't hace sample data 15:53 tcohen ok, i'll add the new sample holidays for those that have 15:53 jcamins It may simply be missing. 15:52 tcohen (nb-NO does) 15:52 tcohen it-IT doesnt have an alternate name 15:52 tcohen ok 15:52 jcamins tcohen: 1-Optionel 15:51 tcohen (so it-IT and nb-NO) 15:51 jcamins tcohen: it's called something different. 15:51 tcohen jcamins, fr-F R doesn't even have an 'optional' dir 15:48 magnuse okelydokely 15:48 jcamins magnuse: not yet. 15:44 magnuse jcamins: in some side remark on some authority-related bug you mentioned something about automating the creation of narrower/broader heading, so if i say "A is broader than B", "B is narrower then A" is automatically added. any concrete plans for that? 15:40 * magnuse waves 15:36 * jcamins waves 15:33 * drojf sneaks in 15:31 jcamins Does that mean that under Plack + MySQL database connections *never* time out? 15:31 jcamins However, I seem to be the first person to have noticed this. 15:30 jcamins Right now, C4::VirtualShelves is not really Plack-safe, since any time the database connection times out, it fails to detect the new connection. 15:30 jcamins tcohen: of course. 15:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour 15:30 tcohen jcamins, is it ok if I make the patch depend on bug 8800? 15:29 jcamins Something just struck me. 15:29 magnuse yay! 15:28 tcohen :-D 15:28 tcohen with infinite time we'll fix them all 15:26 jcamins Fix a bug, and you find more. 15:26 jcamins Don't you hate that? 15:26 tcohen theres another bug 15:26 tcohen no, it won't fix it 15:24 jcamins We like tests that fail when there's a bug and succeed when there isn't. 15:24 jcamins *check 15:24 jcamins tcohen: that'd be a good thing to test. 15:23 tcohen i guess they will once 8800 is pushed 15:22 tcohen oops, exception holidays are not passing my tests :-( 15:21 chris_n g'morning 15:21 jcamins Yeah, MPL is the branch that is missing from the non-en sample data. 15:20 tcohen (MPL branch is used) 15:20 tcohen so it is possible that Holidays.t fails fr non-en languages right now 15:20 jcamins (missing sample data) 15:19 jcamins tcohen: all but the branch-related ones, I think. 15:19 tcohen jcamins, do all db_dependent pass on all languages right now? 15:19 jcamins They do not have to be translated, however. 15:18 jcamins tcohen: your tests should pass under all languages. 15:18 tcohen or just en for sandbox testing? 15:18 tcohen would the RM want them on all languages? 15:18 jcamins (and local sysprefs) 15:18 jcamins oleonard: the Local Use tab is for sysprefs that are being used for something other than system preference-y data. 15:17 tcohen (holidays) 15:17 tcohen i'm writing a few db-dependant tests 15:17 jcamins tcohen: I am now. 15:17 oleonard If so, should it include OpacPrivacy and printcirculationslips? 15:16 oleonard Is the system preferences Local Use tab supposed to be reserved for prefs which shouldn't really be changed? 15:13 khall always glad to help! 15:12 tcohen (i agree) 15:12 tcohen thanks khall 15:12 khall tcohen, I think the answer is to add an MPL branch for all languages 15:11 kf bye all 15:11 tcohen oh, i remember fr didn't have the MPL branch defined 15:10 khall tcohen: I would err on the side of all languages ( you can always make them a separate patch ) 15:09 kf tcohen: ah sorry, should read back first :) 15:09 tcohen and needed to know whether i should add them to all languages or not 15:08 tcohen i'm just about to post some more tests 15:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 normal, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add tests for Calendar modules 15:08 tcohen bug 8110 15:07 khall tcohen, it's been a while, what's the bug number on that one? 15:07 * oleonard is trying an install of 3.10.x with an empty database 15:07 tcohen r u there? 15:07 wahanui well, jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it! 15:07 tcohen jcamins_away 15:06 tcohen thanks kf, i was answering oleonard 15:06 tcohen khall, when you did those tests for holidays, what did the RM say about adding them to all languages? 15:05 kf sorry, bad typing 15:05 kf know 15:05 kf tcohen: I think it's onl yneededfor solr - jcamins would now 15:02 tcohen oleonard: looks like Data::Pagination doesn't have a package yert 15:01 tcohen http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/libt/ 14:53 tcohen eythian packaged those, but you need to add k-c repository 14:53 tcohen oh, sorry, i was talking about debian.koha-community.org 14:52 * oleonard is on Ubuntu 12.04 14:51 tcohen for squeeze-dev i think 14:51 tcohen there are 14:51 oleonard There are not packages for Data::Pagination , Data::Paginator, or Template::Plugin::HtmlToText ? 14:28 tcohen thanks kf 14:27 kf tcohen: different ways to do it I think - git commit --amend maybe? 14:26 tcohen (we run out of coffee this morning, sorry) 14:26 tcohen how was the pprocedure to change a commit message? 13:52 oleonard The code which chooses the "default" include if it's not present in ccsr probably ignores favicon.ico. Not sure why favicon.ico is in includes anyway. 13:48 oleonard Hm, ccsr theme has no favicon. 13:45 jcamins_away magnuse: no, of course, any Selenium tests will be joyfully accepted. 13:32 oleonard fredericd around? 13:32 libsysguy hi oleonard 13:31 oleonard Hi #koha 13:01 magnuse dbic++ 12:56 libsysguy when is DBIx::Class going to get some QA love :p 12:56 libsysguy speaking of the calendar 12:55 magnuse hehe 12:55 libsysguy is about ready to torch the calendar 12:54 libsysguy I'm just happy to be working on something other than the calendar 12:54 kf I can just pretend the software has improved a lot since last time I used it - whatever happens :) 12:54 kf lol 12:53 libsysguy whatever kf you're a smarty-pants 12:53 kf and maybe it was just me being too stupid :) 12:52 kf but that was a few versions ago 12:52 libsysguy well maybe not now…I want to make it that way :p 12:52 kf I had problems when the page took too long to load and stuff like that 12:52 kf even with the plugin :( 12:52 kf libsysguy: it's is not sutpidly easy 12:52 libsysguy it has a FF plugin 12:51 libsysguy and I think selenium does that 12:51 magnuse yay :-) 12:51 libsysguy well my goal is to make it stupidly easy for libraries to write their own tests 12:50 magnuse i suspect we will not be too choosy - if "someone" makes lots of selenium tests that do a good job they will hardly be turned away because they are written for the wrong framework? 12:50 libsysguy I think so, considering we are relying on it more heavily 12:49 kf hm guess the javascript is a plus again :) 12:47 libsysguy but its really nice to be able to verify the page looks the way its supposed to 12:47 libsysguy we can do both 12:46 libsysguy yeah that is why I like it 12:46 magnuse ah, being able to run (and test) javascript is cool, though 12:44 libsysguy :'( 12:42 jcamins_away magnuse: running them. 12:42 kf libsysguy: as I found selenium not well working for me, I kinda like http::recorder more at the moment 12:41 libsysguy so it can also run the javascript 12:41 libsysguy running them 12:41 magnuse jcamins_away: requires a web browser - for creating the tests, or for running them too? 12:40 jcamins_away Selenium requires a web browser. 12:40 jcamins_away magnuse: libsysguy: I prefer Test::WWW::Mechanize where it is sufficient. 12:37 francharb kf, I tried selenium, yep! but the firefox plugin doesn't work with firefox last versions .... I didn't have time to retest rangi httprecorder script but I guess it's a better option for now... 12:34 libsysguy they need subfunctions "prove by contrapositive" 12:34 libsysguy it is handy for sure 12:34 * magnuse likes prove :-) 12:33 libsysguy yeah I think oleonard would agree…too old for the current UI 12:33 magnuse looks like they were added in 2009 - 3 years ago now 12:33 libsysguy but I think for the WWW version you can just run the script 12:32 libsysguy so with test you did have to run them with prove 12:32 magnuse yeah, probably 12:32 libsysguy but I think these tests were written for an old version 12:30 libsysguy ha I got it to work with the old test 12:26 libsysguy I can post the results somewhere if you guys want 12:26 libsysguy well don't worry I've got all day dedicated to it 12:23 magnuse i'll have to investigate some more later, i guess 12:23 magnuse yeah, looks like it 12:23 libsysguy though you will probably have to change the host 12:23 magnuse okelydokely 12:23 libsysguy i think you can run them as perl scripts 12:21 magnuse how would i run the existing tests in selenium/ ? just as regular perl scripts? or through something like prove? 12:16 libsysguy :p 12:16 libsysguy HDL... 12:16 magnuse ah 12:16 libsysguy it seems like whoever submitted the selenium stuff didn't update the baseurl or host 12:15 kf to learn how to use it 12:15 kf nah, it was only for playing :) 12:15 magnuse kf: but you didn't submit it? 12:15 libsysguy it does the exact same thing as selenium 12:15 kf seemed not too hard and being able to see more about what is going on 12:15 kf magnuse: yeah, I did one with rangi at kohacon 12:14 kf what's the problem with http:recorder? 12:14 * magnuse has written test::www::mechanize teste for the digital signs and didn't find it horrible :-) 12:14 kf I think francharb tried out selenium too 12:13 libsysguy it records on ID's so that may have been the problem you were seeing but WWW::Mechinize would suffer the same fate 12:13 libsysguy ahh I gotcha 12:13 kf I gave up on it 12:13 kf it seems recording was fine, but replaying it after a week or so, or in another installation... 12:12 kf also with the base urls 12:12 kf and had problems recording some things 12:12 kf I was using the browser plugin 12:12 libsysguy kf, what kind of problems? 12:12 libsysguy i think an important part of getting more robust testing is forcing devels to submit tests with their code 12:11 kf libsysguy: I ran into some problems with selenium - it might not work as well as your approach 12:10 magnuse hehe 12:10 libsysguy ^^ only kidding 12:10 libsysguy jcamins_away: once told me that he found the color of my socks appalling 12:10 magnuse :-) 12:10 libsysguy jcamins_away: has an opinion about everything :p 12:09 libsysguy heh 12:09 * magnuse wonders if jcamins_away has an opinon on selenium vs test::www::mechanize 12:09 magnuse oh very cool 12:08 magnuse i got the impression from the meeting log that it was just waiting to be revealed to the world :-) 12:08 libsysguy at least 12:08 libsysguy yeah I am planning on working on it from now until the end of december full time 12:08 magnuse so it's an ongoing project? 12:08 magnuse cool 12:08 libsysguy anyway, thats the first step I'd like to take toward automated testing 12:07 * libsysguy is now nervous 12:07 magnuse no idea 12:06 libsysguy I wonder why it was abandoned 12:06 libsysguy those are some selenium scripts 12:06 libsysguy ahh yup 12:05 magnuse there is a selenium/ folder: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=selenium;hb=HEAD 12:05 magnuse hehe 12:04 libsysguy but selenium makes life a bit easier than re-inventing the wheel 12:03 libsysguy I was going t us WWW::Mechanize initially with HTTP::Recorder 12:03 libsysguy if wahanui knows about it probably so 12:03 magnuse ah yes, i think someone already did a little bit of work on that and koha? 12:03 libsysguy and it has a generator for Perl 12:02 wahanui Selenium is, like, more things like "perform this action, ensure that this is the result" 12:02 libsysguy Selenium 12:02 libsysguy actually after doing a bit of research i found there is a FOSS project doing exactly what I was trying to do 12:02 libsysguy yes it was 12:02 * magnuse is curious to see it :-) 12:01 magnuse think it was mentioned at the last meeting ? 12:01 magnuse nope :-) 12:01 libsysguy yeah, did you read my morning company email ;) 12:00 magnuse hey libsysguy, did you mention something about a mechanized testing suite? 11:06 drojf1 :) 10:45 kf hi drojf1 :) 10:41 drojf1 good day #koha 10:29 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:29 kf @later tell drojf ping me when you are around? :) 09:48 kf the syspref turned on will fix it 09:48 kf koha will still be here in the morning 09:48 kf sleep well :) 09:46 mib_ozrkj4 thanks.. i didn't see this in the manual, late at night now i need sleep 09:46 mib_ozrkj4 oh thanks, the thing is i updated to 3.8.6 today from 3.8.4 and messaging options wasn't available under patron category 09:42 kf and search the manual for predue :) 09:42 kf and look into individual patron accounts 09:42 kf and then take a look at patron category configuration in administration 09:41 wahanui i guess manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 09:41 kf manual? 09:41 kf first you need to activate your enhanced messaging in the system preferences 09:41 mib_ozrkj4 do you know where please? 09:41 kf predue are set somewhere else 09:41 kf no that are overdue notices 09:36 mib_ozrkj4 is this purely for overdue notices? 09:36 mib_ozrkj4 in the overdue notice/status triggers. is this where you set pre-due notices..or another place? 09:33 kf it's a pull down in my installation with positive values 09:33 kf where are you putting those numbers? 09:32 kf hm 09:29 mib_ozrkj4 i see what you mean, put in 3, which means "notice will be sent 3 days before due date" 09:28 mib_ozrkj4 so i just put a positive number in for predue notices right? 09:28 mib_ozrkj4 oh thanks, i wasn't sure about this 09:28 kf now it makes more sense 09:28 kf 3 days before due date 09:27 kf um sorry 09:27 kf due date + 3 days 09:27 kf positive values 09:27 mib_ozrkj4 hi all. When I set the delay time for advance notice of item due, ie pre-due notice.. do i use lets say 3 days or -3 days? 08:03 matts hi ! 07:58 sophie_m hi magnuse and #koha 07:51 koyauni do you guys have any suggestion please? 07:51 koyauni Defining circulation and fine rules, how can I clone the best rule for my university? 07:43 cait and brb 07:43 cait hi all :) 07:42 julian_m hello 07:41 reiveune coucou laurence :) 07:41 laurence bonjour reiveune 07:39 reiveune hello 07:32 laurence hi magnuse 07:32 lds hello 07:32 magnuse ...and laurence sophie_m lds 07:32 magnuse kia ora jransom 07:26 * magnuse waves 07:12 alex_a bonjour 06:18 francharb morning cait 0/ 06:17 cait hi francharb :) 06:17 cait hi frn 06:12 wahanui hello, francharb 06:12 francharb hi 00:52 eythian or maybe it's koha-email-enable 00:52 eythian mib_9kf7xj: are you using packages, if so did you run koha-enable-email instancename 00:26 rangi http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#Installing_and_Configuring_Postfix_on_Debian 00:22 mib_9kf7xj i tried following the steps on both those sites.. but I've not ever managed to get emails to work. I know it sounds stupid, but i've done everything else succesfullly, lan networking, koha set up etc. just the emails doenst 00:21 trea koha just needs a standard smtp mailer. nothing sophisticated beyond standard smtp administration is required. 00:20 wahanui postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html 00:20 trea postfix? 00:20 mib_9kf7xj hi i've tried unsuccesfully to use something link postfix, nullmailer, mailutils etc. to allow koha to send automated emails. I just don't know how to make it work. does anyone know of a good guide to set it up? the document files doesn't help me much 00:10 mtj cool 00:09 trea ha! should be here any day now. 00:08 mtj did the bass rig make it over? 00:08 trea hey thanks! 00:06 mtj hey trea , congrats on making it over, too! :) 00:01 mtj yeah 00:01 mtj yeah, a quick google says dbs on ssds is bad