IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-11

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00:37 wajasu jcamins_away: when running  i got: Use of uninitialized value $authorized_heading in string eq at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 670.    oAuth error: Database unavailable (109) authorities Bib-1
00:38 wajasu it ran fine though
00:38 wajasu i think its from wa recent check_valid_auth   fix
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01:14 jcamins_away wajasu: that error means that Zebra crashed.
01:51 wajasu hmm.  i didn't have this problem a few weeks ago.
01:52 wajasu i ran links_to_bibs again leaving the authoriteis in the auth_header file and it ran through with no errors.
01:52 wajasu but i had run rebuild -b -r and rebuild -a -r  this time around
01:53 wajasu the 1st time when it crashed it had  "nnumber of heading linked: 16009"
01:53 wajasu the second time it had 45105
01:53 wajasu i ran a third time and it was 45105
01:54 wajasu maybe my having deleted the auth_headers, the biblios needed their dangling links cleaned.
01:56 wajasu anyway 29096 auth_header recs,  1414 biblio, and 29096 links
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02:21 wajasu oooo  my searches are matching better with allt he foreign diacrtics :)
02:21 wajasu my subjects headings seem ok too.
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03:23 * druthb is trying to join the multitudes who have coded a WordPress plugin.
03:24 eythian_ wahanui: php
03:24 wahanui php is like perl, not the other way around ;)
03:24 eythian_ wahanui: php
03:24 wahanui php is[…]al-of-bad-design/
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03:31 WaylonR okay! now that ive got a commit fully rebased.. my mod is ready to be tested.. how do i go from here?
03:32 WaylonR i need to create a patch file from a commit?
03:33 jcamins_away git?
03:33 wahanui git is[…]Control_Using_Git
03:33 jcamins_away WaylonR: ^^ that explains how to do it
03:33 * jcamins_away leaves again
03:33 WaylonR thanks
03:38 WaylonR so yea, ill send to the bug database first, to get some discussion on it.
03:40 jcamins_away All patches need to be submitted via Bugzilla.
03:40 jcamins_away patch workflow?
03:40 wahanui it has been said that patch workflow is at[…]nt-patch_Workflow
03:41 jcamins_away ^^ see that page for an explanation of how patches get into Koha
03:41 WaylonR okay, my mod touches on authentication, and searches and opac... so.. how do i choose just one category?
03:42 WaylonR or do i create multiple bugs, and link them, and put the patch in one of those bugs?
03:42 jcamins_away Choose one.
03:42 jcamins_away No one cares.
03:46 WaylonR as this patch contains binaries (gif/png files) i create a tar.gz instead of a straight text file yes?
03:46 jcamins_away No.
03:46 jcamins_away You must submit a patch.
03:46 jcamins_away No one will look at anything that isn't a git patch.
03:51 WaylonR okay.. so what do i do with the gif/png files then?
03:52 jcamins_away They have to be in the git patch.
03:54 jcamins_away[…]/gittutorial.html <-- this might help
03:55 WaylonR a git patch, isn't just a text file then?
03:56 WaylonR ah.. MIME / uuencoded?
03:57 jcamins_away Or something like that.
04:04 druthb The good news, WaylonR, is that you don't really need to worry about it.  git add the jpg or whatever to the tree, then when you git format-patch your changes, it takes care of it.  It formats it as text for shipping back and forth, but you don't need to spend any time thinking about those matters.
04:04 WaylonR cool
04:30 WaylonR jcamins_away, druthb bug 9055
04:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, ASSIGNED ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
04:30 WaylonR whew!
04:31 WaylonR my first git patch.
04:31 WaylonR okay, time to go have shower. Comments are welcome. back in 30/60 minutes.
04:36 eythian_ WaylonR: not a rule, but a guideline: the first thing on the first line of a commit message should be "Bug 1234"
04:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED WORKSFORME, Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching
04:36 eythian_ also, git-bz understands that, which is nice
04:37 eythian_ below that should be a good description of the patch, otherwise looking at git log is not nearly so useful
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04:38 eythian_ also, I haven't checked, but if you're putting JS on the OPAC make sure it degrades gracefully so that people with legacy browsers or no JS can still use it, or at least it doesn't break stuff.
04:39 eythian_ hi wizzyrea
04:39 wizzyrea hi
04:39 wahanui what's up, wizzyrea
04:43 druthb hi wizzyrea :)
04:44 eythian_ managed to adjust to the light winds around these parts yet?
04:47 wizzyrea ok, regarding the wind
04:47 wizzyrea I think it's ok?
04:47 wizzyrea ok today was a bit drizzly and dreary
04:47 wizzyrea dunno, i'm not a weather snob
04:47 wizzyrea 43C with no wind is a whole lot suckier
04:48 wizzyrea imo
04:48 wizzyrea :)
04:48 eythian_ It is, yes. Some people hate the wellington wind though. Personally I don't care unless I'm biking :)
04:49 eythian_ (and even then, 75% of the time it's a headwind downhill into town, and a tailwind uphill on the way back)
04:51 wizzyrea dunno, we've got (not quite as extreme) wind in kansas, and really shitty other weather. We get maybe, MAYBE 10-20 days a year when we can open the windows
04:51 wizzyrea so it's all central climate control all the time
04:51 wizzyrea with the energy and health concerns that brings
04:52 wizzyrea oops I cursed in the channel >.<
04:52 wizzyrea oh and hi druthb
04:53 wizzyrea if the weather in the last two weeks is typical spring weather, it's cool by me
04:53 eythian_ yeah, central heating never caught on here. It's not quite so necessary.
04:53 * druthb was wondering if she'd forgotten to remove her invisibility cloak.  :)
04:53 wizzyrea no I'm just bad at reading :)
04:53 eythian_ It is. Basically alternating between nice and crappy on a day-to-day basis. Summer is more consistently "not too bad"
04:54 eythian_ though it's been snowing still down south according to my parents :)
04:54 eythian_ (at least, last week)
04:54 wizzyrea ! wowie!
04:55 eythian_ not serious snow, but still hitting the ground
04:55 eythian_ I used to do farm work in southland in the spring, as it was lambing time. Pretty much every year there was a solid dump of snow.
05:06 WaylonR eythian, the jquery dropdown code says it degrades gracefully.
05:07 WaylonR just converts to a multiselect optionbox.
05:07 WaylonR I believe.
05:14 druthb wizzyrea: Saw this last week, and thought of your lil Doctor fan:[…]ination-ever-pics
05:15 eythian_ WaylonR: if so, that's great (and what I'd expect from a good jquery plugin), worth testing though.
05:16 WaylonR message sent to koha-devel too.
05:16 eythian_ usually all that's needed is a git send-email --to=koha-patches@... HEAD^
05:16 eythian_ but if it's your first, worth asking explicitly
05:17 WaylonR yes, im no longer a patch virgin!
05:19 WaylonR WaylonR?
05:19 WaylonR huh.
05:19 WaylonR Waylon?
05:19 wahanui rumour has it Waylon is the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10
05:19 eythian_[…]ongid=720583&q=hi <-- very tangentally related
05:19 WaylonR wahanui, forget Waylon
05:19 wahanui WaylonR: I forgot waylon
05:19 WaylonR god.. forgotten so easily.
05:19 druthb wahanui: druthb?
05:19 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
05:19 * druthb nods.
05:20 eythian_ wahanui: Waylon gives me mind-worms!
05:20 wahanui eythian_: sorry...
05:20 eythian_ wahanui: Waylon gives me mind-worms
05:20 wahanui eythian_: huh?
05:20 eythian_ wahanui: Waylon gives \me mind-worms
05:20 wahanui eythian_: excuse me?
05:20 WaylonR hahha
05:20 eythian_ wahanui: Waylon \gives me mind-worms
05:20 wahanui eythian_: huh?
05:20 * eythian_ gives up
05:20 druthb :P
05:21 WaylonR WaylonR is  the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. So far so good, with one patch on bugzilla already. Bug 9055.
05:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, ASSIGNED ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
05:21 WaylonR waylonr?
05:21 wahanui you are the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. So far so good, with one patch on bugzilla already. Bug 9055.
05:22 WaylonR cool. okay, idling. back in about 4 hours.
05:24 eythian_ wahanui: the 33rd developer of Koha is really Shaun Evans.
05:24 wahanui OK, eythian_.
05:24 eythian_ ;)
05:24 * druthb wonders how a newer developer got a number than she did.
05:24 WaylonR|Away huh really?
05:24 * WaylonR|Away doublechecks.
05:24 druthb yah.  If your patch gets pushed Right Now, you'd be the 195th.
05:25 druthb where are you checking?
05:25 WaylonR|Away oh.. your talking number of developers on git.
05:25 druthb how else?
05:25 WaylonR|Away im talking way back when we were dealing with svn
05:26 eythian_ I'm talking history.txt :)
05:26 druthb Interesting.  the history.txt file makes no distinction--the "xth" committer to Koha.
05:27 WaylonR|Away this was way back in koha 2.something
05:28 druthb Ah!  there you are.  34th.
05:28 WaylonR|Away 34th?
05:28 eythian_ been demoted eh ;)
05:29 WaylonR|Away June 2 2005Waylon Robertson becomes the 33rd committer to Koha [ ]
05:29 druthb June 2 2005 Waylon Robertson becomes the 34th committer to Koha  #History.txt
05:29 WaylonR|Away okay.. thats wierd
05:29 eythian_ quite
05:29 WaylonR|Away wheres the history.txt file?
05:29 druthb typos happen.  one or the other.     it's in docs
05:30 WaylonR|Away ah.. in master.. right... ill look at it when i get back.
05:30 WaylonR|Away odd.
05:31 WaylonR|Away afk
05:40 rangi there were 2 8s
05:40 rangi i fixed the number may 31 2011
05:42 rangi[…]eb39cef9a43c1cf18
05:43 rangi Finlay and Pat were both numbered 8, so when that was fixed it was renumbered
05:44 rangi and for the record, it was cvs, not svn :) we skipped svn went from cvs straight to git
05:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #225 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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05:59 wizzyrea haha that's cute
05:59 dgl-library hi #koha
06:00 dgl-library I have a question about printing labels.
06:00 dgl-library in Koha
06:01 wizzyrea shoot :)
06:02 dgl-library I want to export them as PDF with the call number broken up into 3 lines. But…
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06:02 dgl-library …that never works. The call nums come out on a single line. So I have to go through a crazy export process to reformat the labels, and…
06:02 dgl-library …I'm leaving the project soon, and I'm sure whoever takes over won't be able to do that, so…
06:03 dgl-library …how can I split the call numbers? Is it just about margins? And if so, is there a way to choose a fixed-width font, which will make it easier?
06:08 rangi i dont think you can, basically pdf is a horrible thing to work with, and the labels module is going to be rewritten sometime in the future
06:09 dgl-library Ouch. So what do you do? Right now I export to OpenOffice, and it's this crazy Rube Goldberg solution that no one else will want to follow.
06:10 rangi i dont use the label printer at all, neither do any of my clients, so I probably won't ever be working on it
06:10 dgl-library Wow! So where do the labels come from?
06:10 rangi they all buy preprinted labels, which works out more cost effective
06:11 dgl-library I'm talking about spine labels, not barcodes.
06:11 rangi probably the reports module
06:11 dgl-library So your clients use the reports module to print spine labels?
06:11 rangi i do know they have never wanted to use the labels module
06:12 dgl-library Thanks for the perspective, rangi. But I'm sure #wizzyrea or some of the other super-users must have had some experience with this.
06:12 dgl-library oops, I meant @wizzyrea
06:14 dgl-library Our little library is now using Koha and we have always created the spine labels in Koha, but through this crazy method. So I really would like to find a solution.
06:17 rangi you could help fund the rewrite, once they are controlled by html/css then it would be dead simple to change things like font size, and line wrap
06:17 * rangi wanders off
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06:24 newa34 hello everyone
06:24 dgl-library I would if I were with a library system instead of a volunteer with a Buddhist nunnery in the Himalayas
06:24 dgl-library hello @newa34
06:26 newa34 i jst installed latest version of Koha but i am having problem with "Fine" . Can anyone tell me its bug or something wrong?
06:26 newa34 in my configuration
06:27 newa34 The fine is calculated but the previously fined fine is not overwritten by today's fine. It jst add up and the total amount becomes twice the day before
06:36 rangi newa34: hmm, that sounds like it might be your config, what do you ahve set up for the fine?
06:37 rangi and are you running 3.8.6 ?
06:37 rangi what did you set for fine charging interval?
06:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #225: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/225/
06:37 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC
06:37 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8988: item status uses authorized value description for intranet
06:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8805 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC
06:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8988 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , item status uses authorized value description for intranet
06:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #226 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:39 newa34 yes i tried with 3.8.6 version....the same circualtion and fine rules are working fine on my 3.4.x version,
06:41 newa34 fine charging  interval =1day after loan period of 15 days
06:41 rangi you ran the database upgrade eh? because it was pretty important
06:43 rangi 3.8.6 supports hourly loans, so there was a change, in that duedates are stored with times now as well as the date
06:43 rangi do you have access to your db?
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06:43 newa34 when i see the "Fine Tab of Patrons " the amount is added everyday after loan period. e.g {11/09/2012 Biochemistry 10/19/2012 View item Biochemistry 18.00 18.00} & {11/11/2012 Biochemistry 10/19/2012 00:00 View item Biochemistry 19.00 19.00 }
06:44 newa34 in older version 11/09/2012 is overwritten by 11/11/2012 values
06:44 rangi yep
06:44 newa34 (11/10/2012 -weekend here ...calender configured) so not calculate.
06:45 rangi there is a fix for that will be in 3.8.7, but it wont help you now you have already upgraded to 3.8.6
06:45 newa34 @rangi aa ok ...
06:45 huginn newa34: I've exhausted my database of quotes
06:45 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253
06:45 huginn Bug 8253: critical, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8 (or later)
06:45 rangi the problem is the old fiens dont have a time
06:46 rangi the new ones do, so it cant match, so it doubles up
06:46 newa34 @rangi but the unit i used it days not hour
06:46 huginn newa34: I've exhausted my database of quotes
06:46 rangi ie makes a new one, instead of updates the old one
06:46 rangi newa34: that doesnt matter
06:47 rangi there is a script you can use to fix it up
06:47 rangi (with days, the date due is now the day 23:59)
06:48 rangi[…]704ceb63d7b98cb3b
06:48 newa34 it tat mean if i installed newer ...not upgrade and rewrite the rules then it wont happen
06:49 rangi newa34: if you upgrade from pre 3.8.x to 3.8.6 it will happen, if you install new it wont, if you wait for 3.8.7 (out on 22/11/2012)
06:49 rangi you can upgrade fine
06:50 rangi if you have already upgraded your production server, you could try that script on a copy of the db
06:51 newa34 not i think i will wait for 22/11/2012.. i am just trying it .as i have to create newer LIVE DVD(GSLDKoha Live DVD)  here
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06:52 newa34 with many other older and newer library software on it.
06:52 newa34 to help some of the library science student ....
06:52 rangi make sure you use the debian packages, then people will be able upgrade easily
06:54 newa34 u mean using apt source?
06:54 rangi packages?
06:54 wahanui packages is at
06:54 rangi those ones
06:54 rangi then if ppl install from the cd
06:55 rangi they can just apt-get upgrade
06:55 rangi in the future (or use synaptic or whatever they want)
06:55 rangi to keep up to date
06:55 newa34 well i have created my own manuals of installation and materials to help them.. i tried  it once last couple of months before bt i couldnt get it i will try it  hope i can get help from you guys too
06:56 newa34 with debian packages.
06:56 rangi you have seen the official livecd built with the packages eh?
06:57 newa34 none jst quite busy with other stuff ....hope after my holidays i can go through ur suggestion
06:57 newa34 :) thank u @rangi
06:57 rangi no problem
07:01 newa34 @rangi m lil confuse abt Unit on Circulation.. u said we have to set 23.59
07:01 huginn newa34: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
07:01 newa34 wht the unit to be selected?
07:02 rangi no
07:02 rangi if you choose day, it will be set to date 23:59
07:02 newa34 and if hour?
07:02 rangi whatever it should be
07:02 rangi if you choose 1 hour
07:02 rangi then 1 hour from when it was issued
07:03 newa34 ok it different than previous... thanks it really helped me alot :)
07:04 rangi
07:05 newa34 Kyle Hall too have Live cd  i guess
07:07 rangi his one is out of date
07:07 rangi there are at least 5 livecds out there
07:07 rangi but Vimal's is the most up to date
07:08 newa34 yes gsdlkoha livecd is on 3.4.x version..we created a year ago
07:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #226: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/226/
07:16 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7921: Software error while placing order
07:16 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8996: In result page items with negative notforloan are available
07:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7921 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error while placing order
07:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8996 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , In result page items with negative notforloan are available
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07:39 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:39 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.2°C (8:35 AM CET on November 11, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
09:43 WaylonR|Away dgl-library?
09:43 wahanui i heard dgl-library was in India
09:44 WaylonR dgl-library is apparently, a volunteer at a Buddhist nunnery in the Himalayas, which runs Koha. Wow.
09:44 WaylonR waylonr?
09:44 wahanui you are the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. So far so good, with one patch on bugzilla already. Bug 9055.
09:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, ASSIGNED ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
09:45 WaylonR WaylonR is the 34th developer of Koha, currently working for, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. So far so good, with one patch on bugzilla already. Bug 9055.
09:45 WaylonR rangi, ^^^^^^^^
10:59 newa34 Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/ line 659. while running
10:59 newa34 koha version3.8
10:59 newa34 sorry 3.6.8
11:00 newa34 3.0806000
11:02 cait maybe related to bug 8378?
11:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
11:02 cait could be harmless, if your overdues look ok
11:02 newa34 bt it wont let u calculate fine
11:02 cait ah, maybe the bug then, look at the description
11:03 cait you mean printing the fine? or writing the fine into the patron account?
11:03 newa34 writing fine on Patron Fine Tab
11:04 cait that is not done by overdue_notices
11:04 cait but by the fines cronjob
11:04 newa34 while running
11:05 cait make sure you also have activated fine calculation in your system preferences - finesmode
11:05 newa34 ok aa sorry i have mixed up the both cronjob on single line back after runnig it again
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13:28 libsysguy has anybody here used Selenium?
13:48 cait hm now he was gone too fast
14:10 WaylonR greeting cait
14:10 cait hi WaylonR
14:10 WaylonR cait, 9055
14:11 WaylonR bug 9055
14:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, ASSIGNED ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
14:11 WaylonR patch submitted.
14:12 cait I saw :)
14:13 WaylonR what you think?
14:13 WaylonR does it look coherient?
14:15 jcamins WaylonR: I posted my comments on the bug.
14:16 cait WaylonR: sorry, working on something else right now
14:16 jcamins Those comments are not exhaustive, of course, but what I noticed upon first review.
14:17 WaylonR hmm? update syspref.sql? thought we now use a file based pref system, not a sql based one? or do you mean, to set sensible defaults?
14:17 jcamins The sysprefs have to go in the database.
14:18 jcamins The description is pulled from the .pref file, but the actual data has to be in MySQL.
14:18 jcamins sysprefs?
14:18 wahanui sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage
14:18 jcamins That didn't help, wahanui.
14:18 wahanui jcamins: excuse me?
14:19 jcamins wahanui: system preferences are also -- see[…]ystem_Preferences if you are a developer looking to add one
14:19 jcamins system preferences?
14:19 wahanui system preferences is[…]ystem_Preferences
14:19 jcamins system preferences?
14:19 wahanui somebody said system preferences was[…]ystem_Preferences
14:19 jcamins system preferences?
14:19 wahanui i guess system preferences is[…]ystem_Preferences
14:19 jcamins system preferences?
14:19 wahanui system preferences is[…]ystem_Preferences
14:20 jcamins Hm.
14:20 jcamins Oh well.
14:20 cait But sensible defaults in there are also good
14:20 jcamins Yes.
14:20 jcamins You must have sensible defaults.
14:21 WaylonR ah.. okay.
14:22 WaylonR so, i edit my branch, commit, and do a further git patch? or do i uncommit, edit, then git patch with all the changes?
14:22 jcamins I would prefer that you amended the commit.
14:23 jcamins Make the changes, do git add, then do `git commit --amend`
14:24 WaylonR ahh
14:24 WaylonR so it commits back to the same commit.
14:24 jcamins Right.
14:24 jcamins And while you're amending the commit you can change the commit message.
14:24 * jcamins is _very_ strict about commit messages.
14:25 * cait cheers for jcamins
14:25 jcamins One note about the defaults- they should be as close to the current behavior as possible.
14:28 WaylonR right.. meaning ALL and multibranch disabled.
14:28 jcamins Yes.
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17:21 cait @wunder konstanz
17:21 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (6:00 PM CET on November 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
17:22 druthb @wunder 66046
17:22 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 1.2°C (11:21 AM CST on November 11, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
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18:23 rangi Morning
18:23 wahanui it has been said that Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:24 cait morning
18:24 cait economics--
18:25 rangi Hehe
18:25 mveron Hi #koha
18:25 cait hi mveron :)
18:25 mveron :-)
18:25 cait I have started some work on the german webinstaller - hope it's ok
18:25 cait I wanted to ask you to sign off, but kyle now already did
18:26 mveron I did not have to much time this weekend...
18:27 mveron What did you change with teh web installer?
18:27 cait I added some things that were missing
18:27 cait like the notice templates for circulation slips
18:28 cait and some authorized values we had no examples for
18:28 cait and translated the new permissions, it should be ok
18:28 mveron Bug 9023, I suppose
18:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9023 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Update installer txt files to have more accurate information
18:28 cait hm
18:28 cait bug 9025
18:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9025 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Add new icons for item types
18:28 cait hm not that one
18:28 cait bug 9024
18:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9024 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Add additional sample data to German installer
18:29 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:29 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 12, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
18:31 mveron cait: While signing off Bug 8954 I found that in table language_descriptions a lot of language names are not translated in German
18:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8954 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Languages list in advanced search always in english
18:31 cait mveron: I didn't know how it worked back then I think
18:31 cait so I am not sure if I touched that file at all
18:31 cait we coudl add them, maybe use 9024 fo rthat too?
18:34 mveron I already prepared insert statements and I am about to file a bug. I'm not sure where to add the statements, I was hinking about because similar stuff is there for Norwegian.
18:35 mveron Alternativ would be subtag_registry.sql, but as far as I understand it is only used while installing.
18:35 rangi You need it in both
18:35 cait yep
18:35 rangi One for ppl upgrading
18:35 cait definitely add it to the web installer files
18:35 rangi One for new installs
18:36 mveron I file a new bug then.
18:38 cait cool
18:55 mveron In subtag_registry.sql I see things like  Fran&ccedil;ais instead of Français . Is this historic or shoud I encode Umlauts as e.g. ä -> &auml;  ?
18:58 cait hm
18:59 cait I think it should be a utf-8 encoded file
18:59 cait we have umlauts in the other sql files, and that works ok
18:59 mveron Ok, I just wanted to be sure
19:01 cait mveron: maybe just check in your editor that the file is encoded correctly
19:01 cait and then do a test installation?
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19:32 rangi hey trea
19:32 trea kia ora
19:33 cait hi trea :)
19:33 trea hi cait!
19:33 cait is wizzyrea off to work? :)
19:36 trea indeed
19:37 cait :)
19:41 cait trea: how are you doing?
19:41 trea good. just catching up on emails
19:41 trea how are you today?
19:42 cait pretty happy right now - finished the last mandatory parts for my current distance study course 5 minutes ago :)
19:42 trea cool
19:42 cait will be so happy to be done with that topic
20:22 mtj morning #koha
20:24 cait morning mtj
20:30 mtj hey cait  :)
20:30 cait :)
20:30 cait mtj++
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21:11 mveron cait: I did the German (and some French)  translation for the language descriptions. Could only test at the moment, umlauts are OK. See Bug 9056.
21:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9056 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
21:11 cait mveron: nice :)
21:11 cait my vacation ends tomorrow
21:12 cait hope to get started on more koha work then
21:12 eythian hi
21:12 wahanui bonjour, eythian
21:12 cait hi eythian :)
21:12 cait how is the new coworker?
21:12 mveron cait: Gutes Beginnen und Gelingen :-)
21:12 mveron Good night #koha
21:12 cait mveron: thx :)
21:13 mveron quit
21:13 cait gute nacht!
21:13 eythian cait: not on line or I'd make jokes ;)
21:13 cait eythian: we can wait until she is here
21:13 cait hm why does this qa script not work...
21:15 eythian wahanui: excuse
21:15 wahanui eythian: Boredom in the Kernel.
21:16 eythian cait: that's why
21:16 cait excuse?
21:16 wahanui cait: The monitor needs another box of pixels.
21:16 cait aah
21:16 * cait goes to refill
21:17 jcamins mtj: you are hereby summoned to tell your QAM how the script works.
21:18 mtj cait, whats the error?
21:19 cait missing a module  ithink
21:19 cait libtest-perl-critic-progressive-perl
21:19 cait ah not that
21:19 cait Can't locate Test/Perl/Critic/ in @INC (@INC contains: /home/katrin/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at line 28.
21:19 cait BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at line 28.
21:19 mtj $ cpanm Test/Perl/Critic/
21:19 cait oh
21:20 cait eew a cpan module hehe
21:20 mtj yeah sorry, me lazy :/
21:21 mtj looks like theres no deb package, only cpan
21:21 cait and smart comments
21:21 cait tss
21:21 cait :)
21:21 cait ah, that's seems to be packaged
21:22 eythian mtj: dh-make-perl --build --cpan Module::Name :)
21:22 cait and Moo *moo*
21:22 jcamins eythian: unless you're using Ubuntu Precise, in which case that does all sorts of weird things that do not result in a deb.
21:23 cait mtj: thx :)
21:23 eythian cait: you mean "apt-get moo" ?
21:23 mtj ive been meaning to write a carton? file to pull the modules from cpan, as a starter...
21:23 cait eythian: moo went fine
21:23 eythian jcamins: oh really? I don't think I've done it on precise.
21:23 cait trying to figure out the next complaint now :)
21:23 jcamins eythian: don't.
21:23 mtj eythian thanks!, ill try that :) ^^
21:24 jcamins eythian: debuild works properly, though.
21:24 eythian[…]ur-name-on-at-the
21:24 cait hah!
21:24 eythian ah right, I often fall back to debuild as dh-make-perl doesn't produce .changes files it seems.
21:24 jcamins lol
21:24 eythian but I do use dh-make-perl to get started
21:24 jcamins What a legacy.
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21:35 eythian cait: so yes, as I was saying, I'm not sure about this new person, they seem a bit fishy and speak funny!
21:36 eythian oh no! there they are!
21:36 wizzyrea >.>
21:36 wizzyrea <.<
21:37 wizzyrea I do talk funny, that's true
21:39 cait eythian: ah i see
21:39 cait eythian: guess you are glad you got some practice in dealing with moon languages
21:40 eythian ita vera
21:41 wizzyrea moon languages?
21:41 eythian it's what cait speaks normally.
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21:59 cait eythian: you should have heard magnuse talking :)
22:03 eythian heh
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22:18 wizzyrea i love listening to magnuse talk
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22:24 cait wizzyrea: in norwegian? :)
22:25 cait but yeah :)
22:25 cait me too!
22:25 cait wizzyrea: how is work? :)
22:26 magnuse huh?
22:27 * magnuse blushes
22:27 cait lol
22:27 cait why are you still here? :)
22:27 eythian cait: she's still being taught everything she needs to know
22:28 cait germs?
22:28 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
22:28 cait hope you are not the one teaching her false facts :P
22:28 eythian it's all true!
22:28 cait that's what I mean
22:28 magnuse ooh wizzyreas first day in the new job?
22:29 eythian wahanui: radioactivity is <reply>Radioactivity gave Curie super strength, but ultimately her power killed her.
22:29 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:29 eythian magnuse: yep
22:29 magnuse yay
22:31 magnuse have fun wizzyrea
22:31 magnuse and good night-or-other-time-of-the-day #koha
22:32 eythian later magnuse
22:32 cait bye magnuse
22:36 eythian science is <reply>It's easy to make assumptions about puppies strapped to missiles, but good science requires testing.
22:36 eythian wahanui: science is <reply>It's easy to make assumptions about puppies strapped to missiles, but good science requires testing.
22:36 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian.
22:36 eythian oh good.
22:36 cait lol
22:36 cait science?
22:36 wahanui It's easy to make assumptions about puppies strapped to missiles, but good science requires testing.
22:36 cait eythian?
22:36 wahanui eythian is a good influence or located somewhere.
22:37 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
22:37 wahanui thanks cait :)
22:37 cait bye all :)
22:37 eythian cya
22:37 cait left #koha
22:37 eythian wahanui: moore's law is <reply>Moore's Law states that every two years we double the amount of time we waste on computers.
22:37 wahanui OK, eythian.
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23:27 mtj wizzyrea, about?
23:28 mtj i had an idea about editing the page, and recomending to use the deb packages...
23:28 mtj and probably this page too ->
23:29 mtj but - i cant edit either page, afaict
23:31 mtj the theory is , when beginners make an incorrect choice when installing a koha (using the tarball method)
23:31 mtj … those are the 2 pages they hit first
23:32 mtj so, if we put warnings there - we can can probably stop much of that sillyness
23:39 jcamins I can edit the latter, I think, if there's consensus. Not the first, though.

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