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jcamins_away |
cait1: why are you still awake? |
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* cait1 |
hides |
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rangi |
http://librarianfacts.tumblr.com/ |
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rangi |
@quote get 221 |
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huginn |
rangi: Quote #221: "I used to be sane like you, until I took a MARC data to the knee" (added by chrisc at 09:28 PM, October 23, 2012) |
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cjh |
hahaha |
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jcamins |
Another cait?!? |
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cait |
more fun! |
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WaylonR |
hiya all. SearchMyLibraryFirst ... what is it supposed to do in opac, with no userenv.. i.e no user logged in? |
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mtj |
probably nothing |
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mtj |
… theres no way for koha to know what your $library is |
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mtj |
in that state, currently |
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francharb |
morning |
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mtj |
heya francharb |
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wahanui |
francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
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francharb |
0/ mtj |
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mtj |
.. after eating a few of those little hambuger things, and all that walking - i was feeling pretty sleepy too |
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francharb |
:) |
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mtj |
hmm, i've got some weird OPAC behaviour with searching for 'available' items, on a koha 3.8.5, using DOM |
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mtj |
i get an ERROR from zebrasrv too, doing that search |
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mtj |
"19:17:28-26/10 zebrasrv(4) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @and @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 quest @and @not @attr 1=_ALLRECORDS @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8024 @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8002 @attr 4=109 @attr 2=3 0" |
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mtj |
the same 'availability' search seems to work OK using the old GRS1 stuff |
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mtj |
… anyone else spotted this/knows how it fix it, etc? |
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mtj |
ive just done a fresh make/make install, so the latest zebra/dom files are def. current |
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mtj |
. |
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mtj |
or phrased another way… does anyone have a DOM koha, with 'limit to available items' searches working? |
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alex_a_ |
bonjour |
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hello |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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clrh_ |
hello |
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wahanui |
bonjour, clrh_ |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985 hPa (Steady). |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
hola, reiveune |
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sophie_m |
hi #koha |
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matts |
hi ! |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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magnuse |
kia ora cait |
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cait |
hi magnuse :) |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
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cait |
good morning drojf |
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drojf |
hi cait |
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cait |
drojf++ mveron++ and all other translators I might have missed |
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mveron |
Hi #koha |
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cait |
hi mveron! |
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cait |
just discovered how far the gemran translation already is |
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cait |
that is awesome |
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mveron |
Thanks :-) I hope I did not to much mistakes :-) |
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magnuse |
mistakes can be improved later :-) |
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* magnuse |
hopes fredericd can figure out the problem with the nb-NO prefs file |
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* Oak |
waves |
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Oak |
magnuse |
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Oak |
Guten tag cait |
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Oak |
kittens will be fine. yes. |
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gerundio |
hi everyone, good morning |
| 09:24 |
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magnuse |
Oak - gah, not quick enough... :-) |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
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gerundio |
during a meeting with our faculty librabry coordinator I was told that a Koha community event is going to take place in Portugal, in the capital Lisbon I guess, sometime this year |
| 09:24 |
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gerundio |
does anyone has any info on that? |
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* magnuse |
has not heard about it |
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cait |
me neither - maybe there is somethong on the spanish speaking mailing list? |
| 09:25 |
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gerundio |
I found this reference online: http://www.koha.pt/?p=60 |
| 09:26 |
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cait |
ah, there you go :) |
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magnuse |
cool |
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gerundio |
I see is just a Portguese community event |
| 09:38 |
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gerundio |
I was hoping it was a more general one :) |
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gerundio |
well, you won't have the chance to visit sunny Portugal this time |
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drojf |
which reminds me |
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drojf |
someone at kohacon wanted to da a european koha thing, maybe in portugal |
| 09:40 |
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magnuse |
a EuroKohaCon? |
| 09:42 |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
we shoul dhave one in Germany... it's nice and central... ;) |
| 09:43 |
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magnuse |
yay |
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magnuse |
was that cait volunteering to organize i heard? |
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drojf |
i am in germany all the time. and southern germany is not central at all :P i vote for northern norway or portugal. or croatia ;) |
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cait |
not sure... |
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cait |
see that dagger i nmy back... |
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drojf |
:P |
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gerundio |
Portugal is nice and an entry point in Europe |
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cait |
I hink we have too many countries in europe... we can argue about this forever :) |
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* gerundio |
was born in Germany too actually :D |
| 09:46 |
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cait |
we should do it in nz again |
| 09:47 |
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drojf |
yeah, eurokohacon in nz \o/ |
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cait |
heh |
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magnuse |
lol |
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gerundio |
cait, I think you want some far away vacation :p |
| 09:47 |
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cait |
it's lovely there, you would like it |
| 09:47 |
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gerundio |
I'm sure I would |
| 09:47 |
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magnuse |
well, no reason to argue - whoever volunteers to host it first is the winner! |
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magnuse |
nz++ |
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gerundio |
I'm trying to plan my next long course vacation trip |
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gerundio |
I was thinking to go to Germany as a matter of fact |
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gerundio |
it's been almost 30 years since I've left and never got back |
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drojf |
it's overrated ;) |
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cait |
ignore drojf |
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cait |
gerundio: du sprichst deutsch? :) |
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gerundio |
I still have family in Köln |
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gerundio |
no cait :( |
| 09:49 |
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gerundio |
I left at a very young age |
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drojf |
did you grow up here? |
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gerundio |
and my parents always talked Portuguese around the house |
| 09:50 |
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gerundio |
so I never picked up any German at all |
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cait |
ah |
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gerundio |
drojf, I grew up in Portugal |
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cait |
we can teach you :P |
| 09:51 |
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cait |
but... sticking with english is probably a lot easier |
| 09:52 |
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WaylonR |
hmm.. kohacon 2013... whats the chances of getting livestream/ustream.tv feeds set up for the talks? |
| 09:53 |
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cait |
I don't know - gues sit depends on the costs and the host |
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drojf |
WaylonR: ask the hosts? |
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gerundio |
my parents still speak a little German from time to time |
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drojf |
would be nice of course |
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magnuse |
WaylonR: depends on the bandwidth of the venue too, i think |
| 09:54 |
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WaylonR |
would be fantastic. |
| 09:54 |
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WaylonR |
Since im not able to go for money reasons. |
| 09:55 |
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cait |
:( |
| 09:55 |
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drojf |
i wish we could have a stream. it would be so important for all koha users in the european world |
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* drojf |
hides |
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cait |
lol |
| 09:57 |
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WaylonR |
And as my org only uses a porton of Koha, may not see the relevance of me going to Con. Also, it would be classed as income, the travel and accom... and nz social security would count it as such, then adjust my benefit for the year accordingly, penalising me for it. |
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* WaylonR |
idly wonders how much such a trip could cost... |
| 09:58 |
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cait |
this sounds really complicated |
| 09:59 |
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WaylonR |
yea, which is the reason most beneficaries don't earn money. Too difficult to manage. |
| 10:01 |
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WaylonR |
omg! Reno, Nevada, is a huge place for couch surfing. |
| 10:01 |
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drojf |
anyway, we could try to revive that european thing. i remember paul_p and rafael from portugal came to me to talk about it. maybe have a european section on the website and try to have more "local" events, things like that. as long as it is not about fragmenting the community (like having a european google group…) i think that would not be a bad idea |
| 10:01 |
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WaylonR |
Couchsurfing = Free accomodation in exchange for.. well.. being yourself. |
| 10:07 |
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gerundio |
drojf, community fragmentation is always a risk in those cases, but if I remember it correctly, Drupal pulled it off |
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gerundio |
from what I can tell their community as events worldwide as is working as one |
| 10:08 |
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gerundio |
here are their guidelines http://drupal.org/community |
| 10:10 |
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* WaylonR |
nods. "Would love a Koha hackcon in Wellington someday/week. |
| 10:10 |
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WaylonR |
Group motivated koha hacking, yeah! |
| 10:10 |
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cait |
it's the best koha hacking :) |
| 10:11 |
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WaylonR |
Right now, alone, its hard to get motivated. I got so many tasks to port to current, and so little motivation. |
| 10:11 |
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drojf |
we have a regular hackfest in france (organized by biblibre) but apart from that there is not much inner-european stuff going on as far as i can tell. and the hackfest is nothing a "normal" librarian would visit i suppose. there are local workshops of course. |
| 10:11 |
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cait |
hm they had librarians testing last time |
| 10:11 |
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cait |
quite a lot of them actually |
| 10:11 |
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drojf |
ah ok |
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cait |
and translating |
| 10:11 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that translating is ok of course :) |
| 10:11 |
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drojf |
cool |
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drojf |
i didnt know that |
| 10:12 |
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WaylonR |
hackfest? |
| 10:12 |
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wahanui |
hackfest is probably slowly seing hackers leaving... |
| 10:12 |
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WaylonR |
huh? |
| 10:12 |
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WaylonR |
wahanui, forget hackfest |
| 10:12 |
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wahanui |
WaylonR: I forgot hackfest |
| 10:12 |
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drojf |
still its very nerdy, not something like the "main" kohacon |
| 10:12 |
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cait |
but I guess more the system librarians, having knowledge how to test |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
and I think biblibre helped setting up the servers with patches for them to test |
| 10:13 |
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WaylonR |
hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) |
| 10:13 |
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WaylonR |
hackfest? |
| 10:13 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) |
| 10:13 |
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WaylonR |
thanks cait |
| 10:13 |
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drojf |
which reminds me i should write something up about our workshop |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
oh yep |
| 10:18 |
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gerundio |
off-topic: is Koha's UI built around any usability guidelines? |
| 10:19 |
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drojf |
i like when people feel they have to label their koha-questions "off-topic" in #koha :P |
| 10:20 |
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gerundio |
:) |
| 10:20 |
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cait |
gerundio: there are some design patterns |
| 10:20 |
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cait |
and oleonard described them on the wiki |
| 10:20 |
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cait |
but I think that is not exactly what you were asking about? |
| 10:22 |
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gerundio |
not really cait, I meant usability for the amblyopic (I hope Google Translator got this one right :p) and color blind for instance |
| 10:23 |
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cait |
ther is a bug to improve accessibility with some ongoig work |
| 10:24 |
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cait |
bug 8712 |
| 10:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8712 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , We should use WAI-ARIA guidelines to help with accessibility -OMNIBUS bug |
| 10:25 |
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gerundio |
nice :) |
| 10:26 |
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gerundio |
just yesterday, during that meeting with our library coordinator, I was introduced to this new color codes for colorblind people |
| 10:27 |
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gerundio |
from what I can tell it looks like it's going to be big |
| 10:27 |
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gerundio |
http://coloradd.net |
| 10:28 |
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gerundio |
this new color identification system is already being ported to cloth info tags |
| 10:28 |
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gerundio |
our subway system for line identification |
| 10:29 |
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drojf |
but is that "the standard" or "one standard"? what is w3c saying about it? |
| 10:30 |
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gerundio |
don't really know |
| 10:30 |
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gerundio |
take a look at the overall chart http://www.colblindor.com/2010[…]or-coding-system/ |
| 10:30 |
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gerundio |
don't really know if this as that much publicity close to web developers' communities |
| 10:31 |
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* magnuse |
had not seen http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nterface_patterns before |
| 10:32 |
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gerundio |
and I don't think it caught w3's eye yet |
| 10:41 |
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gerundio |
ok, now the fun part of the meeting |
| 10:41 |
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cait |
hm? |
| 10:41 |
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gerundio |
I have some questions to check if I can manage to do some things in Koha |
| 10:43 |
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drojf |
ask? |
| 10:43 |
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wahanui |
Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 10:57 |
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drojf |
i suppose he meant to ask his people and not us then? |
| 11:02 |
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magnuse |
probably |
| 11:04 |
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magnuse |
@later tell jcamins bug 8805 needs a new patch when your new patch on bug 8665 gets pushed, right? |
| 11:04 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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jcamins_away |
bug 8805 |
| 12:08 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8805 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC |
| 12:08 |
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jcamins_away |
bug 8665 |
| 12:08 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8665 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records |
| 12:09 |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse: yes. |
| 12:10 |
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magnuse |
jcamins_away: ok, i'll obsolete my patch |
| 12:10 |
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* jcamins_away |
should sign off on 8805 once that happens. |
| 12:11 |
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jcamins |
mtj: "Limit to available" doesn't work. |
| 12:11 |
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jcamins |
Period. |
| 12:11 |
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jcamins |
Not in GRS-1 or DOM. |
| 12:12 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: a signoff would be great :-) |
| 12:12 |
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cait |
jcamins: maybe we should hide it :( |
| 12:13 |
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magnuse |
sounds like it |
| 12:13 |
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cait |
jcamins: what's the big problem? shouldn't it just limit onloan being something? |
| 12:13 |
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cait |
or not being? |
| 12:14 |
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jcamins |
cait: I think we should, yes. |
| 12:14 |
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jcamins |
cait: that would make sense, but that's not what it does. |
| 12:15 |
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cait |
:( |
| 12:15 |
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magnuse |
fix it or remove it (temporarily), i'd say |
| 12:15 |
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cait |
do I want to ask? probably not |
| 12:15 |
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cait |
I am more for fixing it... but not sure how hard itis |
| 12:15 |
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cait |
it's a popular feature in opacs |
| 12:15 |
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jcamins |
cait: very. |
| 12:15 |
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cait |
but can't leave it like it is |
| 12:15 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: very popular or very hard to fix? |
| 12:16 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: very hard. |
| 12:16 |
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magnuse |
:-( |
| 12:17 |
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cait |
:( |
| 12:17 |
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jcamins |
It is impossible to make it work with GRS-1, and making it work with DOM will be impractical at least until I've finished the funded parts of the search rewrite. |
| 12:17 |
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cait |
hm |
| 12:17 |
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jcamins |
At that point, it will merely be very difficult. |
| 12:17 |
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cait |
so what should it do? |
| 12:17 |
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magnuse |
sounds liek we should comment it out in the template until someone gets around to fixing it then |
| 12:18 |
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cait |
limit the search to records, that have at least one entry with onloan being empty? |
| 12:18 |
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cait |
ok, you would kick out electronic and serials this way, but it would do somewhat would you expcet |
| 12:18 |
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jcamins |
cait: we can't do that. |
| 12:18 |
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cait |
and what if we said something like... onloan not starting with 2? |
| 12:19 |
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cait |
something stupid? |
| 12:19 |
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jcamins |
The best we can do with GRS-1 is limit to records that do not have any checked out items. |
| 12:19 |
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cait |
becuse it has a date... so when there is one onloan field in the record that is not having a date... it would bring it up |
| 12:19 |
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cait |
jcamins: oh? |
| 12:19 |
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cait |
I was thinking about the itemtype limits |
| 12:19 |
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cait |
where is the big difference here? |
| 12:20 |
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jcamins |
cait: item types have data. |
| 12:20 |
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cait |
yeah |
| 12:20 |
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cait |
that's why I mant: not have a date |
| 12:20 |
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jcamins |
I think changing everything to understand onloan being set to a true value that isn't a date would be just as problematic as fixing the indexes. |
| 12:21 |
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WaylonR |
wow.. i would of thougth that bug was a huge bug... as in critical. |
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cait |
WaylonR: I think we agree with you... |
| 12:22 |
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WaylonR |
how has libraries, such as HLT, coped without it? |
| 12:22 |
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jcamins |
Libraries that only have a single copy of a given book aren't affected. |
| 12:22 |
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cait |
WaylonR: I think most libraires don't notice |
| 12:22 |
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cait |
you wouldn't think that |
| 12:22 |
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cait |
I agre |
| 12:22 |
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cait |
but they don't |
| 12:22 |
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cait |
I never got any bug report about it |
| 12:23 |
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WaylonR |
sounds like the librarians never tried the flag. |
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WaylonR |
and patrons didn't really mind the problem enough to complain. |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
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WaylonR |
or never had the will to complain.. "oh.. huh.. doesn't work. Okay.. hrm." |
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WaylonR |
Or didn't know who to complain to. |
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WaylonR |
But sooner or later, someone will notice, someone will complain, and we'll have to have a fix. |
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tcohen |
morning #koha! |
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tcohen |
its friday! |
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jcamins |
Yes, I would love to have it fixed. |
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jcamins |
I was hopeful it would be fixed as part of the DOM indexing project. |
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WaylonR |
DOM supports all the features of GRS-1? |
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jcamins |
And a lot more. |
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WaylonR |
how difficult is it to convert all the GRS-1 configs, to DOM? |
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cait |
that's been done I think |
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cait |
the problem is we don't want to convert them the way they are... I guess |
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cait |
bcause that means not making use of the dom features we want? |
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jcamins |
WaylonR: we already did that. It wasn't that hard. |
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magnuse |
jcamins: is that conversion just a starting point, or will we continue to generate the dom configs from the grs-1 config? |
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jcamins |
magnuse: just a starting point. |
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jcamins |
The GRS-1 to DOM script should *never* be run again. |
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* WaylonR |
has a GRS-1 custom config that i need to convert. |
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jcamins |
Unless someone has a custom record.abs they want to keep. |
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jcamins |
Which, granted, is probably going to be pretty common. |
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cait |
ah |
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WaylonR |
custom record.abs, modified bib1.att, and ccl.properties. |
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cait |
so I think I misunderstood what you wrote to the list earlier |
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WaylonR |
so yea.. an automated conversion process would be much appreciated. |
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jcamins |
WaylonR: you can keep your bib1.att and ccl.properties files. |
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WaylonR |
ah? dom only replaces record.abs? |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
It replaces indexing configuration. |
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magnuse |
jcamins: "The GRS-1 to DOM script should *never* be run again" --> that is once we start editing and improving the dom config? |
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WaylonR |
how do i get this GRS-1 to DOM script? |
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jcamins |
magnuse: right. |
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magnuse |
jcamins: thanks |
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jcamins |
Once the configuration has been created and signed off, DOM configs will necessarily start diverging. |
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jcamins |
WaylonR: misc/maintenance/grs1-to-dom or something like that. |
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magnuse |
WaylonR: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ecord_abs;hb=HEAD |
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jcamins |
That's the one. |
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magnuse |
this is also involved: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]zebra.xsl;hb=HEAD |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl is still used. |
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magnuse |
i followed the two steps at the very bottom here to generate the dom config : http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_to_dom_indexing |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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WaylonR |
Oh yeah! my secure search mod works well. |
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jcamins |
WaylonR: what does it do? |
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WaylonR |
so, from one koha install, one koha db, one apache server, multiple virtuhosts can equal multiple libraries, and those libraries, unless the user is logged in, will only be able to access their own records. |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
You told me about this. |
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WaylonR |
yup |
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cait |
hey oleonard :) |
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cait |
it's good to see you |
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cait |
and your many patches! |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
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jcamins |
Now you can submit a patch. :) |
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magnuse |
@arewethereyet |
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huginn |
magnuse: Not yet - wait 27 days |
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magnuse |
ooh... |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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cait |
hi gmcharlt :) |
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WaylonR |
then, once the user is logged in, if they have been given access to other libraries, in secure mode, they are able to search their branch + assigned others, assigned by branchcode extended attributes. |
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cait |
we were discussing dom and indexing questions earlier |
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cait |
WaylonR: sounds good :) whatabout records with items from mulitple libraries? |
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jcamins |
My electrical bill is almost reasonable this month. |
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jcamins |
Well- reasonable for this apartment. |
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jcamins |
Which is not reasonable at all. |
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WaylonR |
And, if multiple library searching mode is on, they get the abilty to select via checkboxes on a dropdown, which libraries to do a search on, in advanced search. |
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WaylonR |
yes, cait.. it searches based on branch: |
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WaylonR |
so.. that means home branch of an item? |
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cait |
do you see the items of other branches on the records? we were discussing ways to limit to the library only at work |
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cait |
oh, and records without any items (serials) |
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WaylonR |
records without any items.. ah.. don't show up.. yeah, didn't think about that. |
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WaylonR |
not sure how to handle that. |
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WaylonR |
all our pdfs get given branches to belong to. |
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* jcamins |
heads into the city. |
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WaylonR |
and items get automatically created accordingly. |
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WaylonR |
hmm.. heres an explaination of our library.. |
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WaylonR |
waylon? |
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wahanui |
waylon is, like, the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for Mandumah.com, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10 |
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WaylonR |
so... journals have volumes, then issues, then articles. |
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WaylonR |
so.... we have a journal table, that says what branches a journal belongs to. |
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WaylonR |
each time we enter a article in, it gets the journal inputted. |
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WaylonR |
and system creates an item or items in the branches accordingly. |
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WaylonR |
make sense, cait? |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
trying :) but I guess it does :) |
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WaylonR |
cait, so, in your case... hmm.. yeah, in searches, you'd be restricted to items in your specific branch or branches allocated. But you'd see that they are in other branches you don't have access to. |
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WaylonR |
since thats an output of XSLT right? |
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WaylonR |
locations available. |
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cait |
hm not strictly only the xslt |
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cait |
xslt in results |
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WaylonR |
right. |
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cait |
items table from the database in details |
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WaylonR |
yes.... but yea.. can't see how to stop users from seeing that other branches exist. |
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WaylonR |
other than not show them locations available. |
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gerundio |
... and back |
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gerundio |
all universities in Portugal just suffered a internet outage :| |
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gerundio |
cait, drojf, wahanui still around? |
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cait |
yes |
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gerundio |
lets see if I can post my questions now :) |
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gerundio |
earlier I was saying that |
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gerundio |
we have an in-house academic managment system with all our to-be patron details |
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gerundio |
is it possible to extend the patron's profile with a new attribute who's value would be a contatenation of a fixed URL + an id mapped from LDAP? |
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cait |
i am not sure I understand what you want/need to do |
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cait |
you can define your own patron attributes in koha but I think there is a patch waiting for sign off to make this work with ldap |
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cait |
you could also always reuse one of the existing fields I think |
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gerundio |
yes, I'll be testing that later on |
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gerundio |
the doubt here is if the field can be a sum of a fixed part + a value from LDAP |
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gerundio |
lets assume the fixed URL part is http://koha:8080/cgi-bin/koha/[…]l?borrowernumber= |
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gerundio |
and the borrowernumber would come from a field in LDAP |
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cait |
what do you want to use that for? |
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gerundio |
I know this is far fetched |
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gerundio |
but I got asked about this |
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cait |
I mean if the part is fix for all borrowers... do you really need to have it there? |
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cait |
couldn't the system using the value just add it? |
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cait |
in display? |
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gerundio |
the borrower URL was just ment as an example |
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cait |
yep I know |
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cait |
but if the fixed part is fixed... |
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gerundio |
library staff want a direct link from the koha patron details screen to our own academic record where there are additional details |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
you could use jquery to do that |
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cait |
you will have to use jquery, to add the anchor tag anyway |
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gerundio |
ok, so the straight answer is "no possible" :D |
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gerundio |
not ^ |
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cait |
well everything is possible - it's open source :) |
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cait |
and free software |
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gerundio |
I know |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
I think easiest way to do is safe it into the database |
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cait |
and do some jquery magic to make the informatoin appear as a link and add the fixed part there |
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cait |
because only a link in the field will still require copy and paste |
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cait |
hm or |
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cait |
you could enhance the patron attributes to have a new option for an ulr |
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cait |
url |
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cait |
that should not be so hard |
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cait |
hm hope that makes sense |
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gerundio |
but our premise around here is "use what's provided on the official package so we can reduce maintenance costs over time" |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
i was thinking giving that back as a new feature :) |
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cait |
because it would be nice |
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cait |
so change once ... and get it in standard koha before your next update |
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cait |
and jquery would also be a way to do it safe |
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gerundio |
that's our premise too, like the LDAP patch :) |
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gerundio |
but this feature is low priority, so I wouldn't get the expectations too high |
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cait |
yeah I understand |
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cait |
as I said, adding some local jquery should work I think to give you a link |
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cait |
I have to do some reading now - will be bck later :) |
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gerundio |
2nd question: is it possible to assign two different categories for a single patron? |
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cait |
no |
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cait |
the category dictates the issuing rules |
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cait |
if you need more, maybe using the bsort statistics fields and/or patron attribures will help |
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WaylonR |
okay... hmm... am i missing something here.... |
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gerundio |
we have this rule for books which are bought from our research projects |
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WaylonR |
two different borrower categories? |
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WaylonR |
or two different branches? |
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cait |
gerundio: what is the rule? |
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WaylonR |
Yes, thats the best question. |
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gerundio |
sorry, got a visit in office :s |
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WaylonR |
I'll hold. |
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gerundio |
so just picture this, lets say I'm a teacher here at the faculty |
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gerundio |
I'm assign to a teacher patron category which allows me to do 15 checkouts for a loan period of 150 days |
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gerundio |
on another perspective I'm also doing reaserch on some project |
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gerundio |
and bought a few books which are given to the library and are a part of the catalogue |
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cait |
hm if you can't use different itemtypes, you will have to use the specify due date feature and or different patron accounts with different categories i think... something like that |
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gerundio |
so, the exception is that if I checkout one of this project books I can have them for unlimited (or a lot longer period) time |
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gerundio |
have you been faced with this problem before? |
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cait |
if the project books are a special part of the collection, you could give them a separate itemtype |
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cait |
oleonard: the preselected new search terms is a really bad idea |
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cait |
I commented on the bug. - I had a library requesting this for a project... no fun. |
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oleonard |
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. I feel like I'm coming off as belligerent in that bug |
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cait |
no you are doing good |
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oleonard |
What do you think about adding "and" to the basic form? Useful? Too much information? |
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cait |
and would it work with the cloning of fields? I have only taken a short look at the codeand your comment |
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cait |
I think it's what people expect, so we don't need to show it |
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cait |
if you enter more than one term... you want your results to have both |
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cait |
I think? |
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oleonard |
Yeah I wouldn't expect an inexperienced user to think they would get an "OR" search |
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drojf |
no idea what bug you are talking about but +1 from me. everything else than default "and" is crazy and useless and makes me angry |
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oleonard |
I can see the accessibility argument that the fields need labels though. Not sure how important it is |
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cait |
bug 8712 |
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oleonard |
How I might style it: http://screencast.com/t/AHX9xhM2 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8712 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , We should use WAI-ARIA guidelines to help with accessibility -OMNIBUS bug |
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drojf |
and i think if i want to be able to change this, i have an advanced search page to do that |
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cait |
drojf: the discussion is about the more and fewer options |
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cait |
oleonard: hm, I think I like it better the way it is |
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cait |
but if we need it, yours doesn't look bad |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
oleonard: btw - I have a bug reported for the bad behaviour of koha here... somewhre in bugzilla |
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oleonard |
I like getting suggestions about accessibility, but I don't like hearing them second-hand. It'd be nice to have a discussion on the list |
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cait |
yeah |
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oleonard |
Ha, I Googled for studies on advanced search form usability and found a report from 1999 comparing HotBot, AltaVista, and Lycos! |
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jcamins |
oleonard: how to AltaVista and Lycos stack up? :P |
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oleonard |
I don't know, after the screenshots started my eyes started to hurt and I left |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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jcamins |
You know, I don't think I ever used the advanced search screen on the OPAC. |
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oleonard |
When I do it's usually to limit by collection code (which in my library means audience+format) |
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jcamins |
Oh, you're right. |
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jcamins |
Occasionally I do it for limiting. |
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cait |
same here |
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cait |
and searching for new books using date range |
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cait |
I never use the search options I think, only the limits |
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cait |
and the date range |
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wahanui |
the date range is in the item record and nengard's records don't have items |
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jcamins |
I think I mostly use yr,gt:2000, but possibly I've used that feature, too. |
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sophie_m |
hello : could someone send me the list of languages to load as authorised value LANG in authroised_values table in english (I've only got it in french). Thank you |
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jcamins |
sophie_m: that's not a default category. |
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jcamins |
You'll have to just translate the French to English, I think. |
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cait |
sophie_m: i think it#s currently only used in UNIMARC for cataloguing |
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sophie_m |
cait: it is also use to limit search on languages, don't you use it in marc21 ? |
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wahanui |
okay, sophie_m. |
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jcamins |
sophie_m: that's not from authorized values. |
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jcamins |
That's from the language stuff. |
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cait |
the advanced search builds on the language tables |
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cait |
the descriptions and pull down there |
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cait |
and in cataloguing catalogers enter the codes and use the plugin for the controlfield |
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cait |
jcamins: that right? |
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jcamins |
You can look in installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/subtag_registry.sql |
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jcamins |
That's correct, yes. |
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cait |
ok, i am off to the super market - bbiab |
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sophie_m |
thank you cait and jcamins |
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jcamins |
For fennel? :) |
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cait |
jcamins: hm I have fennel, maybe a mango |
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cait |
bread most of all |
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jcamins |
Yay! |
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cait |
:) |
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phasefx |
hey guys, for the OPACNoResultsFound system preference, are there any macros/variables available there where we could say, propogate search terms to other catalogs/engines via the HTML placed there? |
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jcamins |
phasefx: no. |
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jcamins |
There was a patch do add that, but it didn't work consistently. |
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jcamins |
Bug... |
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phasefx |
jcamins: thanks. I tried suggesting something to someone involving javascript and parsing the location object, but it was a bit much |
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jcamins |
Bug 7620 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7620 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , OPACNoResult, add search string to available parameters |
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phasefx |
jcamins++ |
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jcamins |
Oh, there's a new patch. |
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jcamins |
You should test it and sign off if it works. |
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* phasefx |
shall so endeavor |
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lavamind |
Hi, I just upgrade my Debian Koha packages, but having a problem with indexing. rebuild_zebra.pl now only works as root, running with the -koha user (while no error message appears) doesn't produce any *.mf index files... |
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jcamins |
lavamind: you should not be running rebuild_zebra.pl directly when using packages. |
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jcamins |
Do a chown -R user-koha:user-koha /var/lib/koha/user/[whatever] |
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jcamins |
Then run sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full user |
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jcamins |
(substituting your instance name for "user") |
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lavamind |
jcamins: I made sure to set the environment variables in the command, following whats in koha-rebuild-zebra |
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jcamins |
lavamind: ah, that was wise. |
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jcamins |
In that case, probably you just need to change the ownership on the files and rebuild. |
| 15:10 |
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jcamins |
Why were you running rebuild_zebra directly? |
| 15:11 |
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lavamind |
jcamins: I've checked ownership, everything is owned by the correct user... |
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jcamins |
lavamind: oh, did you use su -? If you just use su, sometimes the effective UID gets screwed up. |
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lavamind |
jcamins: I resorted to rebuild_zebra.pl after trying koha-rebuild-zebra unsuccessfully, leading me to figure out that running it as root produced the files |
| 15:13 |
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lavamind |
no, sudo -u <user> -H command, as in koha-r-z |
| 15:13 |
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jcamins |
lavamind: hm. Definitely ownership issue then. |
| 15:13 |
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jcamins |
Okay, sudo -u sets the effective UID correctly. |
| 15:13 |
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jcamins |
And you just upgraded koha-common? |
| 15:13 |
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lavamind |
could other directories or files be involved ? |
| 15:13 |
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jcamins |
From which version to which version? |
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lavamind |
3.2.5 to 3.8.6 |
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jcamins |
Wow. Big jump. |
| 15:14 |
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jcamins |
So you moved from a non-package install to a package install. |
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lavamind |
no, the previous install was from packages as well |
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jcamins |
3.2.5? |
| 15:15 |
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lavamind |
yes |
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jcamins |
I didn't think Koha was packaged until 3.4. |
| 15:15 |
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jcamins |
Apparently I was wrong. |
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lavamind |
I can check my dpkg logs, one sec |
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jcamins |
No, I just checked. |
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jcamins |
There _were_ packages for 3.2. |
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lavamind |
/var/log/dpkg.log:2012-10-25 12:08:28 upgrade koha-common 3.2.5-1 3.8.6-1 |
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* jcamins |
didn't know that. |
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jcamins |
Did you run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 or whatever the script is? |
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lavamind |
the package upgrade ran them automatically, as far as I can tell |
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reiveune |
bye |
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lavamind |
after upgrading the packages and updating translations, everything looked pretty fine |
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lavamind |
I must say, aside from this zebra pain, I was surprised how streamlined the upgrade went, Koha has great Debian packagers |
| 15:19 |
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cait |
:) eythian++ |
| 15:19 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, packages are great. |
| 15:20 |
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lavamind |
here's a log of rebuild_zebra.pl as my koha user : http://pastebin.com/3e9VwCUp |
| 15:20 |
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jcamins |
It has to be permissions, but I don't know exactly which directory it's likely to be. |
| 15:20 |
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lavamind |
with -v -v |
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gerundio |
cait, sorry for the long absence |
| 15:21 |
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gerundio |
hate to leave people hanging |
| 15:21 |
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gerundio |
even more when I'm the one asking the questions :) |
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cait |
gerundio: it's ok - I was at the super market in the meantime ;) |
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gerundio |
;) |
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jcamins |
What does `ls -lR /var/log/koha` give you? |
| 15:22 |
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gerundio |
the project books are regular books for all that matters |
| 15:22 |
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gerundio |
if a patron, other than the project researchers, want to checkout one of these books |
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gerundio |
they would follow the normal circulation rules |
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lavamind |
jcamins: empty zebra-* logs |
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lavamind |
and root-owned intranet- and opac- logfiles (!) |
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cait |
sorry gerundio, I don't think koha has a feature specific for that workflow |
| 15:24 |
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gerundio |
I don't think it's possible to use koha to this extent |
| 15:24 |
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gerundio |
exactly my thoughts |
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jcamins |
lavamind: I'm interested in the ownership of the folders. |
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jcamins |
Wait. |
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jcamins |
I meant `ls -lR /var/lib/koha` |
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jcamins |
Sorry. |
| 15:24 |
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* jcamins |
was looking in logs for something else. |
| 15:25 |
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gerundio |
the only workaround I see is to define a specific item type to the books of each project |
| 15:25 |
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gerundio |
but even so, there's no way to identify the project members |
| 15:25 |
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gerundio |
as they can be students or teachers |
| 15:26 |
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gerundio |
I guess they'll just hear a 2nd no :) |
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lavamind |
jcamins: http://pastebin.com/gfaDJ4qb |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
sorry, I have no idea for a work around |
| 15:26 |
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jcamins |
lavamind: what's the ownership on /var/lib/koha/prof and /var/lib/koha/prof/biblios? |
| 15:28 |
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lavamind |
drwxr-xr-x 53 root root 4,0K 11 oct 11:59 koha ---- drwxr-xr-x 6 prof-koha prof-koha 4,0K 25 oct 12:09 biblios |
| 15:29 |
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gerundio |
meanwhile I've started looking for that LDAP related bug you wanted me to sign off |
| 15:29 |
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gerundio |
bug 8919 |
| 15:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8919 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP |
| 15:30 |
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gerundio |
since I'm a noob at koha I'll need some guidance :) |
| 15:30 |
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lavamind |
jcamins: I think I've got it |
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jcamins |
lavamind: oh? |
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gerundio |
the ExtendedPatronAttributes refered in the bug are the ones defined in the Patron attribute types admin area, right? |
| 15:30 |
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lavamind |
jcamins: in /var/lock/koha/prof there's a couple of root-owned files |
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lavamind |
-rw------- 1 root root 10 26 oct 10:29 state..LCK |
| 15:31 |
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jcamins |
lavamind: that might be it. |
| 15:32 |
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jcamins |
lavamind: Do a `sudo service koha-common stop` followed by a `sudo service koha-common start` and see if that fixes it. |
| 15:32 |
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lavamind |
jcamins: running koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full prof |
| 15:34 |
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lavamind |
jcamins: what do you think about adding a line or two about which directories to check for ownership to http://koha-community.org/faqs[…]ch-stuff-up-help/ |
| 15:34 |
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jcamins |
I think that's an excellent idea. |
| 15:35 |
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jcamins |
I'll just have to figure out who has write access who I can ask to add it. |
| 15:35 |
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lavamind |
jcamins: sucess! search is back |
| 15:35 |
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jcamins |
Hooray! |
| 15:36 |
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lavamind |
jcamins: so yeah, /var/lib/koha/<user> and /var/lock/koha/<user> |
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cait |
jcamins: interesting question with liz moving! |
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lavamind |
jcamins: I'd be enclined to also remove the "(or root, depending on your setup)" passages 1) you're note supposed to run that stuff as root and 2) if you are, you'd better know what you're doing |
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jcamins |
lavamind: that's a good point. |
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lavamind |
jcamins: perhaps introducing some kind of basic sanity check for ownership in koha-rebuild-zebra could also help |
| 15:45 |
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jcamins |
lavamind: brilliant! |
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lavamind |
jcamins: do you happen to know who's responsible for koha-common ? |
| 15:49 |
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jcamins |
lavamind: eythian. I reported a bug on the packaging, and with luck he'll be able to patch koha-rebuild-zebra before I can. |
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mib_78v6t5 |
hello!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:50 |
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wahanui |
hello are u there? |
| 15:51 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
yeah |
| 15:51 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 15:51 |
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jcamins |
Wonder who taught him that. |
| 15:51 |
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jcamins |
mib_78v6t5: wahanui is a bot. |
| 15:51 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
lol |
| 15:51 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
is my 1st time here |
| 15:52 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
I'm searching and learning how to use koha |
| 15:52 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
(: |
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jcamins |
Perhaps I shouldn't have told you... you could have provided a Turing test for him. ;) |
| 15:52 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
lol |
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mib_78v6t5 |
thanks for that, now is too late |
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mib_78v6t5 |
haha |
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jcamins |
A good place to start is the manual. |
| 15:52 |
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jcamins |
manual? |
| 15:52 |
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wahanui |
manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 15:52 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
yes, I've read it |
| 15:52 |
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jcamins |
The Koha website is, of course, koha-community.org. |
| 15:52 |
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jcamins |
Excellent! |
| 15:53 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
I really need to, we gonna use it from now on in this library |
| 15:53 |
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jcamins |
The latest stable version of Koha is 3.8.6. |
| 15:53 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
and I work here |
| 15:53 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8947: [SIGNED-OFF] XSLT fallback logic backwards <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b888da5af503b89c5> / Bug 8939 follow-up welcome to Robert Williams 194th contributor <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1d85d1470be52f135> / Bug 8939 : Fines being charged during the grace period <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb |
| 15:55 |
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jcamins |
Welcome to the Koha community. :) |
| 15:55 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
Thank you! |
| 15:56 |
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mib_78v6t5 |
Happy weekend to everyone, see you guys on Monday lol! |
| 15:56 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #917 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:56 |
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cait |
bye :) |
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lavamind |
jcamins: thanks for the bug report, I think that will make a great enhancement -- on the short-term though, I think updating the documentation page I brought up would still be pretty relevant. problems with zebra seem endemic amoing new/inexperienced koha admins |
| 16:09 |
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jcamins |
Agreed. |
| 16:09 |
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jcamins |
The person I'd usually ask to make the change is currently moving... 18 time zones. |
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jcamins |
Alas, the hurristormpocalypse may cause our CSA pick up to be rescheduled. |
| 16:16 |
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cait |
jcamins: 18! |
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jcamins |
cait: GMT-6 to GMT+12 |
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bag |
tag 010 |
| 16:30 |
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jcamins |
@marc 010 |
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jcamins |
huginn: noooo!!!! What has happened to you? |
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huginn |
jcamins: A unique number assigned to a MARC record by the Library of Congress. Valid MARC prefixes for LC control numbers are published in MARC 21 Format for Bibliographic Data. [a,b,z,8] |
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huginn |
jcamins: I suck |
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jcamins |
Oh. Nothing. |
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wahanui |
i guess nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though |
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bag |
thanks jared |
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jcamins |
You're welcome. You probably want 010$a. |
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| 16:47 |
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tcohen |
anyone, a jquery plugin for making ul collapsable? oleonard? |
| 16:47 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: the tree view one might do it. |
| 16:47 |
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jcamins |
Don't remember what it's called... |
| 16:47 |
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oleonard |
we don't use anything standard at the moment tcohen, but jqueryUI has the accordion plugin which might also work |
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jcamins |
jstree. |
| 16:48 |
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jcamins |
jstree is standard! |
| 16:48 |
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tcohen |
https://github.com/jzaefferer/jquery-treeview |
| 16:48 |
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tcohen |
ok! |
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jcamins |
I'm the only one using it. |
| 16:48 |
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jcamins |
:P |
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oleonard |
Where jcamins? |
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wahanui |
somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. |
| 16:48 |
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jcamins |
Ergo, 100% of our tree usage is jstree. |
| 16:48 |
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jcamins |
:) |
| 16:48 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: authority hierarchies. |
| 16:48 |
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oleonard |
Oh right, I remember now |
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tcohen |
thanks jcamins,oleonard |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #917: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/917/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* mathieu.saby: Bug 8958: Make facets more UNIMARC compliant (revision 1) |
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jenkins_koha |
* williams: Bug 8939 : Fines being charged during the grace period |
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jenkins_koha |
* Paul Poulain: Bug 8939 follow-up welcome to Robert Williams 194th contributor |
| 17:04 |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8947: [SIGNED-OFF] XSLT fallback logic backwards |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8958 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Facets are not fully UNIMARC compliant |
| 17:04 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8939 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Fines Charged During Grace Period |
| 17:04 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8947 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Search does not work with CCSR theme and language = nb-NO |
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cait |
hmm |
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cait |
http://www.sanjuanislander.com[…]nformation-system |
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jcamins |
Looks like they need to think about Koha. :) |
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cait |
hm thy don't say how big they are |
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drojf |
can i put several things in one cookie value? something like 'piwik=yes+socialnetworks=no+amazon=no+google=yes' or is that bad for some reason? i would prefer not to use one cookie per possible privacy setting |
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jcamins |
drojf: sure. You just have to URLencode it, I think. |
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drojf |
cool |
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drojf |
i have baked cookies before, but setting them… |
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cait |
heh |
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drojf |
hm. i think i have to bake cookies. thanks, brain |
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cait |
cookies yay! |
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* cait |
tell your brain her address for the package |
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drojf |
he |
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drojf |
reminds me that i forgot to send in my broken headphones :( |
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drojf |
thanks again, brain |
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oleonard |
SJL's 2010 annual report says their circ was 177,077. Not very big. |
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cait |
ah nope |
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cait |
that's not exactly good publicity for wms |
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oleonard |
Why would they switch back to something that they know they have to switch away from again? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: anything is better than WMS? |
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cait |
oleonard: perhaps because the contract was still there? |
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oleonard |
Now I'm curious about how bad WMS is. |
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cait |
I mean they could go back to it maybe for less cost and no trainingfor staff |
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cait |
of course... everything is only a guess |
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jcamins |
drojf: around? |
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drojf |
jcamins: a minute maybe :9 why? |
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jcamins |
drojf: wondering about RAM usage for Plack without Starman. |
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jcamins |
What's the virtual memory size of Koha under Plack? |
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drojf |
sorry phone |
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drojf |
i think i have something around 60mb x2 for plackup, two more plackup with ~6mb and mysql with… 50mb or something |
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drojf |
for virtual size, let me have a look |
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drojf |
i don't think my numbers are fair anyway since it never ran really long or was heavily used |
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jcamins |
drojf: I'm wondering for a development machine. |
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jcamins |
I'm using starman instead of plackup, and I don't know how the memory usage compares. |
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drojf |
2230 mysql 20 0 321m 53m 5664 S 0,3 22,9 0:07.12 mysqld 2624 koha-koh 20 0 70588 54m 5132 S 0,0 23,4 0:29.31 /usr/bin/placku |
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drojf |
2619 koha-koh 20 0 42880 31m 3360 S 0,0 13,5 0:08.08 /usr/bin/placku |
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drojf |
heh not very useful paste |
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drojf |
321m 53m mysqld |
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drojf |
70588 54m /usr/bin/placku |
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drojf |
42880 31m /usr/bin/placku |
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drojf |
but i had just restartet it |
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drojf |
i have never managed to run starman. how much ram does that take? |
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jcamins |
A lot more. |
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drojf |
keep in mind i font have much more and i dont know if it would just die if it's "really" used |
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drojf |
s/font/don't/ |
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drojf |
i will try it with the 512mb ram version next week i hope |
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jcamins |
I still haven't figure out _exactly_ how much it's using, but VSZ is 200-something MB, and the debug console reports memory usage as 64MB. |
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jcamins |
*figured |
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drojf |
how many threads did you enable in starman? |
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jcamins |
Ummm... |
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jcamins |
2. |
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jcamins |
No point in having lots if it's just me. |
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bag |
@seen sekjal |
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huginn |
bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days |
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user00 |
@seen nengard |
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huginn |
user00: nengard was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 20 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <nengard> oleonard, i understand it all, but can't explain right now ;) |
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nengard |
hi |
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rhcl |
hey, u make it home ok? We had a 6 hour delay out of SFO |
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nengard |
i had a 30 min delay out of san jose |
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nengard |
and a 2 hour delay out of msp |
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nengard |
but yes, i made it home! |
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nengard |
6 hour is crazy!!! |
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o/ |
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o/ |
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hi Brooke |
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hallo |
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wie geht's? |
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cait |
gut :) |
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@wunder wellington, nz |
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cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on October 27, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
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throws a pink flag. |
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Brooke |
Taunting. 15 Yard penalty. Loss of Down. |
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Okay, how do I get a report to return the "Librarians Only" messages in a query? |
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YoungPublicLibrarian: i think it is weekend in most parts of the world already |
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YoungPublicLibrarian |
Like, the "borrowers.borrowernotes" returns the notes in the Circ field under EDIT, "messages.message" gives the "Patron" messages, but nothing that I can find gives the "Librarians Only" messages... |
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drojf: I thought that might be the case. I guess I'll try Monday or Wednesday...Just very odd that I can't find that one particular field in the schema... |
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