IRC log for #koha, 2012-10-25

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00:09 cait1 3127
00:09 drojf i can't make it stop using the yahoo server
00:09 drojf meh
00:10 cait1 oh?
00:10 drojf now it's gone. maybe the blocking addon was just confused
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01:10 cait1 ok
01:10 cait1 closed around 1000 bugs
01:11 cait1 from resolved fixed to closed fixed
01:13 rangi cait1++
01:13 rangi now go to sleep
01:14 eythian cait1: you are not good at this holiday thing
01:14 cait1 eythian: :)
01:15 cait @karma cait1
01:15 huginn cait: Karma for "cait1" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
01:15 cait heh
01:23 cjh cait++
01:23 cjh cait: have to transfer that karma over :)
01:24 cait :)
01:31 cait night all
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03:23 eythian master packages built and uploading, second day in a row :)
03:23 eythian (although they still don't build out of the box, just yet. One more patch.)
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03:25 Oak @wunder ny
03:25 huginn Oak: Error: No such location could be found.
03:25 * Oak waves
03:26 cjh heh
03:26 Oak :)
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05:28 Maxie2012 Hi!  Anyone can help me with installing VirtualBox?  I want to set it up so I can install Linux Debian, Apache etc. so that I then install Koha....
05:29 Maxie2012 How much RAM do I the recommended 384RAM sufficient?
05:29 Maxie2012 sorry...I meant 384MB RAM...
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05:43 Maxie2012 Hi!  Apologies to anyone reading my query earlier on re setting up of internet connection dropped off!
05:45 eythian Maxie2012: if you're setting it up for testing, that should be fine
05:52 eythian @later tell tcohen I've found an issue on bug 8773, but I'm out of time to diagnose it today. Can you have a look, hopefully it's an easy fix.
05:52 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
05:55 fredericd eythian: just leave a comment on bug 8773
05:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
05:55 fredericd and see your bug report
05:55 Maxie2012 great, thanks!
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05:56 eythian fredericd: I did that too, it's just we were discussing it earlier today, so I figured I'd provide a headsup so he knew I wouldn't be able to look at it for a while.
05:57 Maxie2012 I plan to install Debian Squeeze, which is Debian (64-bit) I'm assuming...and I guess 8GB virtual harddisk capacity is fine?
05:58 eythian Maxie2012: I find 8GB can get a bit tight, I'd suggest 15. It depends on the size of your data though.
06:00 Maxie2012 ya, I kinda felt it was a bit small...but I'm setting up VirtualBox for the first time and creating a new virtual machine, so it doesn't allow me to specify the size...guess there's another section to do that
06:01 eythian It should ask you during the process of setting up the vm
06:06 eythian fredericd: oh, I just saw your post. A patch that adds moose as an optional dep is actually in master now
06:06 Maxie2012 It just prompts me to select between 1. Do Not Add a virtual hard drive   2.  Create a virtual hard drive now   3.  Use an existing hard drive file
06:07 eythian Maxie2012: yes, and if you create a new one it asks you for the size.
06:07 Maxie2012 ...and there's a statement above the options saying that the Recommended Size of the Hard Drive is 8GB
06:08 eythian fredericd: my plan is to add the indexing daemon as an optional dep, and when we get a feeling for what people think, we can consider pulling your daemon into Koha.
06:09 * eythian is off home now. Bye all
06:15 Maxie2012 thanks, but I just clicked on a Hide Description button and it allows me to specify the size of the hard drive!
06:22 Maxie2012 Bye eythian
06:22 fredericd eythian: great. And thanks for your work. The new package for just the Koha dependencies is a big plus for me.
06:23 Maxie2012 oh you're still there eythian!
06:24 Maxie2012 can I ask you before you go home.....for the hard drive file type, is VDI or VMDK the better option?
06:24 Maxie2012 sorry to have to ask such BASIC questions
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06:36 reiveune hello
06:36 alex_a bonjour
06:36 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
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06:51 julian_m hello
06:51 wahanui bonjour, julian_m
06:52 asaurat hi
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07:02 matts hi !
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07:05 magnuse @wunder boo
07:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
07:05 lds hello
07:06 magnuse winter came last night...
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08:01 fredericd cait: hello
08:01 cait hi fredericd :)
08:01 fredericd cait: Is there a bug number for javascript strings non translatable?
08:01 cait hm, I think we didn't have an omnibus patch in the past - but I might be wrong
08:02 cait I think most were on separate bugs
08:02 fredericd 'Add to cart' on OPAC result page is not translated
08:02 cait oh, I thought it used to be
08:02 fredericd Shouldn't we have such a bug number?
08:02 cait did you try reloading the javascript? I sometimes had problems with scale files
08:02 fredericd line 126
08:03 cait I think we could have an omnibus bug
08:05 fredericd bug 8968
08:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8968 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , JavaScript String not translatable
08:09 cait :)
08:10 cait fredericd: have you seen the request for slovak as a new language on pootle?
08:10 fredericd no
08:12 cait it's here: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]tober/001968.html
08:12 cait he writes he wants to contribute translated files - so it might be worth including them in 3.10 I think
08:13 cait I mean it seems they are not just starting, but there is already work done
08:16 cait I am not making much sense this morning :)
08:17 Maxie2012 Hi!
08:31 gerundio good morning
08:37 slef I misread that as "Bible AS Daily"
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08:42 Maxie2012 I am trying to install the Debian Squeeze in VirtualBox, on my Windows 7 desktop PC.  I have managed to install the VirtualBox and am now trying to download the Debian ISO file in order for me to install Koha
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08:43 Maxie2012 Can someone advise me on where is the best place to go to for this...on the premise that I am on Windows 7....?
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08:45 slef Maxie2012: wiki?
08:45 wahanui rumour has it wiki is
08:45 slef Maxie2012: mailing lists?
08:45 wahanui mailing lists are at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
08:46 slef Maxie2012: I've not used Windows much in years. I don't know if someone else awake here might have relevant experience. If not, try looking for a guide on the wiki or askingon the mailing lists or equivalent web forums.
08:47 Maxie2012 I was actually looking for the site where I can download the Debian ISO so that I can install it via the VirtualBox
08:49 Maxie2012 I found a link and it seems to have the ISO files for download, but there are 8 files of about 4GB each.  Do I need to download ALL 8 files?
09:02 slef Maxie2012: I doubt it. I'd expect you could just download one of the mini-install ISOs.
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09:03 slef Maxie2012: but I've not checked the VirtualBox installation instructions.
09:03 slef (where are they?)
09:04 gerundio Maxie2012, I think the correct link for the Debian download you're looking for is
09:05 gerundio just choose one of them, 32 or 64 bit setup
09:06 gerundio them follow these instructions in case you have any doubt:[…]ble/installmanual
09:19 gerundio Maxie2012, did those URLs help?
09:19 Maxie2012 Hi gerundio
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09:20 Maxie2012 I decided to take your suggestion and try to install Koha within Windows
09:22 Maxie2012 the URLs helped a lot...I managed to install VirtualBox!
09:24 Maxie2012 the thing is I'm now stuck on trying to download the Debian Squeeze ISO...I just managed to download a file from[…]ent/i386/iso-dvd/, but its in a WinZip file and I can Unzip it in Windows!
09:24 Maxie2012 I don't think I got the right link somehow....:(
09:25 cait Maxie2012: you don't unzip isos
09:25 cait ah
09:26 Maxie2012 ok...that explains it
09:27 cait hm you should end up with a file that has a .iso ending
09:27 cait and then you use that with your virtualbox
09:27 Maxie2012 so what should I do?  I only know!!
09:27 cait there are tutorials on the web
09:28 cait I would start for a basic virtualbox install linux thing and go from there once you get it running
09:28 Maxie2012 the problem is I've tried a few downloads today and none of them have a .iso ending
09:28 cait you can then start to learn a bit about linux itself
09:28 Maxie2012 what's a "basic virtualbox install linux thing"?
09:29 cait just a tutorial that will guide you for installing something with virtualbox
09:29 cait I am sure there is a lot on google
09:29 gerundio Maxie2012, they might have .iso ending
09:30 gerundio the problem is that probably you have hidden extensions in your windows explorer
09:30 gerundio do you see any endings (extensions) at all in any of your regular files?
09:31 gerundio follow these instructions to deactivate the "Hide extensions for known file types" setting[…]e-name-extensions
09:31 gerundio hopefully you'll see that the file you've downloaded is indeed a .iso :D
09:32 cait gerundio: good idea :)
09:33 Maxie2012 no...I have already deactivated the Hide extensions and no .iso...
09:35 Maxie2012 gerundio: I'll try the links you mention and try again
09:36 gerundio so if the extensions aren't hidden, tell us, what is the complete filename you see?
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09:40 Maxie2012 it comes out at ONE zipped file with no extension, but under the File Type description it says WinZip also has the WinZip icon beside the filename
09:43 cait Maxie2012: winzip is not really a file format - it might be .iso is associated with the winzip software on your computer
09:44 Maxie2012 oh so sorry!!  I just realised I inactivated the wrong thing re the hidden extensions!
09:49 gerundio Maxie2012, :)
09:49 gerundio cait, are you familiar with the Calendar tool in koha?
09:49 Maxie2012 I have a .iso file....but when I try to add the downloaded disk image boot on my virtual machine (Settings and Storage on VirtualBox), TWO messages appear saying "Failed to open the CD/DVD image" and "Could not get the storage format of the medium (VERR _NOT_SUPPORTED)
09:50 cait hm a bit, but it depends what you want to know :)
09:50 gerundio I'm trying to add repeatable holidays and I got a nasty error :|
09:50 cait thre has been a lot of work done on hourly loans and related features -not so familiar with that yet
09:50 cait oh
09:50 cait which version are you looking at?
09:50 gerundio 3.8
09:50 gerundio let me paste the error, just a second
09:50 cait so what did you try and what happened?
09:51 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "Error while addind a repeatable holiday" (6 lines) at
09:52 gerundio I just tried addind the New Year's Day as a holiday
09:52 cait did you click on "range" maybe?
09:52 gerundio in January 1st 2013
09:52 cait you want single repeated holiday, there should be 2 options to choose from
09:52 gerundio yes
09:52 gerundio my bad on choosing the wrong option
09:52 cait it shouldn't explode
09:53 gerundio I missed the "Holiday repeated yearly on the same date."
09:53 gerundio but yes, it shouldn't throw that error
09:53 cait but you will be able to add holidays - which is good. but could you maybe file a bug too for the wrong behaviour?
09:54 gerundio sure
09:56 gerundio I don't really know the severity you guys consider of each kind of bug
09:57 gerundio in this case do you find it to be blocker?
09:57 gerundio as it throws this kind of error
09:57 gerundio or despite it, since is not a major feature, the severity should be lower than that?
09:58 rangi way lower than blocker
09:58 cait hm normal I would think
09:58 rangi yeah
09:58 rangi blocker is only for something that would stop a release
09:58 cait like losing data
10:03 slef Random aside: A bit disappointed yesterday to learn that there's a Big Ted, Hamble, Jemima and Humpty in Te Papa, which I didn't see when in NZ.
10:04 cait I wish I knew what those things are :)
10:05 cait ... and wish even more that I had been to Te Papa!
10:05 gerundio cait, got it :) each software as its own bug severity rules
10:05 cait probably :)
10:05 cait we should put some explanations somewhere easily accessible
10:05 cait wiki.
10:06 * cait makes a note
10:06 gerundio btw, the Component should be Tools, right?
10:06 gerundio cait, that's probably a good idea
10:06 gerundio no matter the effort we put in documentation it never seems to be enough :|
10:07 cait gerundio: if there is none for calendar or holidays - then tools :)
10:07 cait gerundio: true, but we can't stop trying
10:13 gerundio bug 8969
10:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8969 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Error while adding a repeatable holiday on the tools Calendar
10:21 rangi[…]idelines#Severity
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10:27 cait cool, thx rangi
10:33 gerundio cait, is there anyway in the koha admin interface to import serials for magazine publication for instance?
10:34 cait sorry, gerundio - not sure I understand what you want to do
10:34 gerundio ok, I'll try to explain it in more words :D
10:34 gerundio I imported some magazine records into my catalogue
10:35 gerundio for this example lets say its has a weekly release since 1992
10:36 gerundio which means I have add around 1000 entries to the 'serial' table for that magazine
10:36 gerundio right?
10:36 cait aah
10:36 cait ok
10:36 cait I am afraid that's not an easy answer
10:37 cait there is no iport script for serial issues
10:37 cait every system deals with them differently
10:37 gerundio ok
10:37 gerundio so in my case I made a dump from an existing koha installation
10:37 cait there is the history table you can use for noting holdings before using the serials module
10:37 gerundio made sure the biblionumber matched
10:37 cait ah ok
10:38 cait I think maybe youmissed a table if it's not working?
10:38 gerundio but somehow the serial issues are not showing up in my new koha installation
10:38 cait there are serials, subscriptions, something for the history and serialitems I think
10:38 cait the issues are linked to the subscription
10:39 cait did you get the subsciptions?
10:39 gerundio btw, can it be related to zebra indexes not being up to date yet?
10:39 gerundio the origin subscriptions table is empty
10:39 gerundio so I'm guessing that's not the case
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10:41 cait hm
10:41 cait are we talking about items in the items table
10:42 cait or about entries in serials?
10:42 cait what exactly did you do? :)
10:45 gerundio I import records for the 'serials' table
10:48 gerundio imported ^
10:48 gerundio I thought that the serials would 'auto-magically' show up in the respective biblio entries in OPAC
10:48 gerundio since they are related by the biblionumber value for each record
10:49 cait gerundio: they are linked to subscriptions normally
10:49 cait I wonder how someone managed to add them to your old installation without
10:50 cait see the subscriptionid is column 3
10:50 cait serialid - pk of the table, bilbionumber for the record and subscriptionid for the subscription
10:50 cait you can only add them in the interface when you have a subscription - so if that table is empty on your other installation, something is wrong or someone changed how koha works
10:51 gerundio ok
10:52 gerundio subscriptionid is set to 2
10:52 gerundio but there's no record in the subscription table
10:52 cait ew
10:52 gerundio not in my DB nor in the origin one
10:52 cait and it does show up right on the previous opac?
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10:52 cait i could imagine someone testing and not cleaning up properly too
10:52 gerundio yet the series show up in the origin OPAC view
10:53 cait can you share a link?
10:53 cait or as creenshot?
10:57 gerundio screenshot from the previous koha setup at
10:57 cait gerundio: that's very werid
10:57 cait because you see it says: 1 subscription associated
10:57 gerundio cait, I can't share a link since the installations are still hidden behind firewall rules
10:58 cait it looks perfectly normal for a filled subscriptions table
10:58 gerundio I'm following you on that
10:58 gerundio weird indeed
10:58 cait on the page below should be links to other "views" of the serial data
10:59 gerundio let me check a few other things and see if I come up with a reason for this behavior
10:59 cait you should be able to see the subscription id in one of the views
11:16 gerundio cait, my bad, the subscriptions table has records
11:16 gerundio explain later :)
11:17 cait ok - so that at least makes sense now :)
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12:19 cait karam++
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12:26 rjune I'm trying to setup koha 4.10.05 on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS I ran perl Makefile.PL. and did the export for the environment variables. But when I run plackup /opt/koha/etc/app.psgi I get the error "Error while loading /opt/koha/etc/app.psgi: Can't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /opt/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/ ..." Can anybody point me in the right direction
12:27 jcamins rjune: this is a channel for Koha.
12:27 jcamins What you have is LibLime Koha.
12:27 cait good moring jcamins
12:28 rjune jcamins, Koha the ILS right
12:28 cait rjune: you can download Koha from
12:28 jcamins rjune: yes. You can get Koha from
12:28 rjune LOL
12:28 jcamins The software you download from is a proprietary fork that no one here supports.
12:28 cait rjune: Liblime created a fork from koha that is only maintained by them - there is no community around it
12:28 cait the version numbering is confusing
12:28 rjune No worries. I wanted the community one.
12:29 cait the current stable release of Koha is 3.8 - soon there will be 3.10
12:29 cait download?
12:29 cait packages?
12:29 wahanui packages is at
12:29 cait and packages will ake your life easier :)
12:29 rjune me likey packages
12:30 rjune I really need to learn how to package debs
12:33 jcamins rjune: it's very easy.
12:34 rjune yeah, played with it a bit, but I haven't really needed it yet.
12:34 rjune I packaged quite a few rpms
12:34 jcamins We don't have any RPMs for Koha.
12:34 jcamins We'd love to, though.
12:34 jcamins (hint hint)
12:35 jcamins :)
12:35 rjune LOL
12:35 rjune I'll have to setup a fedora vm to work on
12:37 cait rjune: where are you from?
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12:47 rjune cait, Northern Indiana
12:47 magnuse hiya talljoy
12:48 cait ah
12:48 talljoy hi magnuse
12:49 cait Southern Germany
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12:55 gmcharlt good morning
12:57 rjune cait, Wie gehts?
12:58 cait gut, danke :)
12:58 cait hi gmcharlt :)
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13:00 cait and hi libsysguy
13:00 libsysguy hey cait
13:00 libsysguy sorry I missed you yesterday
13:00 libsysguy you said Hi and my internet dropped out
13:01 cait libsysguy: it's ok :)
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13:03 cait1 hm
13:03 cait1 now mine dropped
13:03 rjune ok, I installed the packages. Where does it put it's apache config?
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13:04 jcamins rjune: the usual place. /etc/apache2/sites-available
13:06 rjune jcamins, followed[…]ing_Koha_packages. Nothing with koha in /etc/apache2 anywhere
13:06 gerundio from your experience what would you say is the best combo to get the most amount of covers in Koha?
13:07 jcamins rjune: you should be following the instructions that cait pointed you to.
13:07 jcamins packages?
13:07 wahanui packages is at
13:07 gerundio I activated the Google Books cover fetch and it's already showing up some results
13:07 jcamins gerundio: it depends on your data.
13:08 gerundio jcamins, are the various 3rd party services set to work in fail over?
13:08 rjune jcamins, then the incorrect page should probably be removed.
13:08 jcamins rjune: what are you trying to do? There shouldn't be any need to edit that.
13:08 jcamins rjune: it's correct for Lucid.
13:08 jcamins However, I agree.
13:08 jcamins gerundio: no.
13:10 gerundio ok, and is there any predefined order, alphabetical as shown in the admin interface maybe?
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13:11 cait1 gerundio: they don't fall back, I think works probably best with only one activated
13:11 gerundio ok cait1, thanks
13:12 rjune jcamins, installing on precise. instructions are both very similar. One claims Debian, one Claims Ubuntu I went with the ubuntu ones
13:12 gerundio AWS requires an API key, right?
13:12 jcamins rjune: Lucid requires special instructions.
13:12 jcamins Precise and Debian are equivalent.
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13:12 tcohen morning #koha
13:13 cait1 gerundio: you can get covers without I think, not sure, I would try it out
13:13 rjune jcamins, can you see how I might have made that mistake?
13:13 jcamins gerundio: you don't need an API key for covers. And if you enable more than one source, all will show up.
13:13 cait1 gerundio: also try openlibrary
13:13 jcamins rjune: oh, certainly.
13:13 * jcamins has been arguing for removing most of the installation instructions for years.
13:14 * jcamins thinks they serve no useful purpose.
13:15 jcamins Unfortunately, people with more time than I have disagree, and keep on adding new pages that confuse the matter.
13:15 * cait1 hands jcamins a hot chocolate
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13:17 rjune spiked with mint liquer
13:18 rjune Installation instructions are great.
13:18 rjune but they have to be A) maintained. and B) complete
13:18 jcamins And C) comprehensible.
13:19 rjune Like the debian instructions. "Creating the koha instance"  here's the command to create it. Now go to the admin website
13:19 rjune Which is stupid.
13:19 oleonard Lots of work has been done on the instructions over the last few months. Is it incomplete or ineffective?
13:19 vfernandes hi guys... today happened one problem with one of my Koha instance... the items appears doesn't appear in the staff client record detail
13:19 rjune oleonard, both
13:19 jcamins oleonard: generally it has made it worse.
13:20 cait1 speaking about it... we should probably revise the INSTALL files before release?
13:20 rjune so where is the admin website? is it port 8080 someplace? is it something.domain
13:20 jcamins rjune: it's whatever you set it to several steps before.
13:21 jcamins With /etc/koha/sites.conf or whatever it is.
13:21 rjune ok, so it should be http://koha-intra.DOMAIN/ as per the docs
13:22 vfernandes anyone had this problem before?
13:22 cait1 vfernandes: hm they don't appear on the detal page in staff?
13:23 cait1 and in opac they do?
13:23 cait1 all items or only some? what has happened between them showing and them not showing?
13:24 vfernandes neither in OPAC
13:24 vfernandes http://catalogo.biblioteca.isc[…]biblionumber=3185
13:24 vfernandes should have 2 items
13:24 jcamins vfernandes: if I had to guess, I'd say you somehow managed to delete your items.
13:24 jcamins You're using 3.2, which means that items are stored in the MARC record.
13:25 vfernandes the records are in the MARC, i've checked the database are the items are also in the items table
13:25 cait1 jcamins: I think the detail screens go back to the item tables - so maybe worth checking the database tables?
13:25 vfernandes maybe a index problem?
13:25 jcamins cait1: oh, true.
13:25 jcamins No, nothing to do with indexing.
13:26 jcamins Indexing only affects search results.
13:26 vfernandes the items are in the database... i've already checked
13:26 cait1 http://catalogo.biblioteca.isc[…]biblionumber=3185
13:26 cait1 they are in the marc view
13:26 cait1 did you set something in opachiddenitems maybe?
13:26 cait1 or the parameter to hide damaged/lost items?
13:27 vfernandes i don't think so
13:27 vfernandes yesterday was working fine
13:27 vfernandes and no configuration was changed
13:27 jcamins vfernandes: something must have changed. Any idea what it was?
13:27 cait1 you could check action_logs if someone hcanged preferences since yesterday :)
13:27 jcamins ^^ good idea
13:28 cait1 vfernandes: hm this is unimarc, right?
13:29 vfernandes yes
13:29 cait1 yes, title in 200
13:29 cait1 hm I owuld still think something like opachiddenitems
13:29 cait1 there seems to be nothing in opacuserjs causing this, so it's koha somehow doing it
13:30 vfernandes the last change on system preferences was at 2012-07-16
13:30 cait1 ohhm.
13:31 cait1 jcamins: any other ideas? :(
13:31 vfernandes it looks like it's a mysql connection problem
13:31 cait1 the result lists show the items too
13:32 vfernandes the database is in another server
13:32 cait1 and the marc views do
13:32 cait1 hm but there are other things pulled from the database
13:32 cait1 that look ok
13:33 jcamins vfernandes: the whole record is getting pulled from the database.
13:36 jwagner vfernandes, I see two items on that title
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13:36 mveron Hi #koha
13:36 mveron @wunder Basel
13:36 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 14.1°C (3:32 PM CEST on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
13:37 tcohen fredericd, has something changed in latest koha-index-daemon that breaks it?
13:38 vfernandes DBD::mysql:st execute failed
13:39 vfernandes can't create/write to file '/var/tmp/mysql....'
13:39 jcamins vfernandes: your MySQL server is out of disk space.
13:42 vfernandes ok... thanks. I don't have access to the mysql server... :/
13:42 vfernandes so I don't know the disk space left
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13:45 jcamins vfernandes: that's my guess based on the fact that MySQL can't write to disk.
13:45 jcamins I've had that happen before.
13:45 jcamins If that's the case, you should shut it down _immediately_.
13:46 jcamins Leaving it running will just make data corruption more likely.
13:49 cait1 hi mveron
13:49 mveron Hi cait1 :-)
13:50 cait1 :)
14:06 rjune how do I tell koha to dump the default patron and library data?
14:07 cait1 you can truncate the borrowers table
14:07 cait1 and the branches table after that I think
14:07 cait1 or reinstall and don't install the sample data
14:07 cait1 well some of it, but not those parts
14:07 rjune nmind, found it.
14:08 rjune yeah. that's what I saw. missed that the first time
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14:17 hdl fredericd: around ?
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14:19 hdl @later tell fredericd bug 7421 set to failed QA, things are not working at all the way it used to with grs1 indexing, maybe some pairing could speed things up
14:19 huginn hdl: The operation succeeded.
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14:36 hdl hi libsysguy
14:36 libsysguy sup hdl
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14:37 rjune ok, does koha by default charge $5 to check out a book?
14:37 libsysguy i don't think so
14:38 jcamins rjune: I think there might be some sample data that adds that.
14:38 jcamins rjune: you can adjust it in the item types administration screen.
14:38 rjune jcamins, ah, where is that controlled?
14:38 rjune fantastic, thanks
14:41 rjune Can Koha automatically pull covers from someplace, say amazon? or does that have to be done manually?
14:42 drojf it can pull covers from several places
14:43 drojf local, amazon, google, openlibrary. i may have forgotten something
14:43 rjune where in the setup do I enable it?
14:43 drojf enhanced content
14:44 rjune administration->ehanced content?
14:46 drojf i think so
14:48 rjune found it. system prefs->enhanced content
14:50 rjune thanks all
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14:52 cait1 wow
14:53 cait1 that was fast?
15:14 jcamins paul_p: are you able to import records using the staged MARC tools under Plack?
15:16 drojf jcamins: i was
15:16 drojf or
15:16 drojf sorry incoherent thinking :D
15:17 drojf ignore me, i am a confused person
15:18 jcamins drojf: you were?
15:18 jcamins Huh.
15:19 cait1 drojf: take a cookie
15:19 drojf jcamins: i think i wasn't. but i am really not sure right now
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15:19 drojf so just ignore me ;)
15:19 jcamins drojf: ah.
15:20 drojf i could try to do it when i'm home if that helps. i think i had problems and used apache to do that
15:20 drojf cait1: cookies! :)
15:20 jcamins Nah, that's fine. I'll file a bug.
15:22 * jcamins chuckles at his "bibliographic box of cereal" commit message.
15:25 oleonard Yay, Bug 7067 passes QA!
15:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , allow patron self registration via the opac
15:26 cait1 but we are in string freeze...
15:27 oleonard It's marked version rel_3_12
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15:30 koyauni hi koha, does any one know why my search result give NO TITLE when list the search please? http://library.koyauniversity.[…]
15:39 oleonard No suggestions for koyauni? I have no idea.
15:40 gmcharlt koyauni: at first glance it might be a defect in your MARC frameworks which somehow aren't mapping the 245$a to biblio.title
15:40 reiveune bye
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15:40 gmcharlt that seems a little odd, though
15:41 jcamins koyauni: try reindexing.
15:41 jcamins koha-rebuild-zebra --full library
15:41 gmcharlt turning on the OPACXSLTResultsDisplay syspref would be another way of working around the problem
15:41 cait1 it could also be that the wrong marc format is selected
15:41 cait1 because marc21 has title in 245$a and unimarc in 200$a
15:42 jcamins gmcharlt: I suspect the problem will still exist there.
15:42 cait1 ah, but detail pages are correct
15:42 jcamins This is probably the result of a Zebra configuration that was mangled.
15:42 gmcharlt cait1: yeah, but the author is being displayed correctly
15:42 cait1 gmcharlt: you are right, and detail pages too
15:42 gmcharlt and in koyauni's catalog is showing MARC21 tagging
15:43 cait1 yeah, so zebra?
15:43 jcamins gmcharlt: the title thing happens if you've screwed up your indexes by manually editing them.
15:43 jcamins It's always just title.
15:47 jcamins Sadly if a reindex doesn't fix it, I have no idea what the next step is.
15:48 drojf i'm sure you will figure it out
15:49 koyauni I am re-indexing, but it use to work perfectly for Latin character I amnot sure what has happened
15:49 jcamins drojf: not today I won't.
15:49 jcamins Something you changed caused problems.
15:49 drojf i migh guess "icu"
15:49 drojf might
15:50 koyauni reindexing did not help, so I check other suggestion here,
15:51 koyauni where do I find this OPACXSLTResultsDisplay please
15:51 gmcharlt koyauni: it's one of the OPAC system preferences
15:51 gmcharlt you can change it in the staff interface by going to Administration | Global system preferences
15:55 koyauni is default OK as setting
15:56 koyauni for OPACXSLTResultsDisplay
15:56 gmcharlt koyauni: yep
15:57 koyauni there we go it works now :)
15:59 koyauni I am still struggling with listing and indexing no Latin character in the search result, no one on the network seams to know how to fix it :(
16:02 koyauni Oppes it worked at OPAC side but not in Admin side!
16:03 Oak_ @wunder dc
16:03 huginn Oak_: The current temperature in Eckington Pl, NE, Washington, District of Columbia is 17.7°C (12:02 PM EDT on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
16:04 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
16:04 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 11.2°C (5:42 PM CEST on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
16:04 Oak_ @wunder konstanz
16:04 huginn Oak_: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.3°C (6:00 PM CEST on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
16:04 Oak_ @wunder islamabad
16:04 huginn Oak_: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 18.0°C (9:00 PM PKT on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
16:04 drojf we will be getting frost this weekend.
16:05 Oak_ :)
16:05 Oak_ seasons!
16:05 jcamins @wunder 11375
16:05 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 15.0°C (11:42 AM EDT on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
16:05 drojf "APRSWXNET" sounds like a lovely place
16:06 jcamins drojf: doesn't it? :)
16:06 Oak_ how do you pronounce it?
16:06 oleonard Just like it's spelled!
16:08 oleonard I assume it's this:
16:08 drojf "Automatic Position Reporting System as a WX NETwork"
16:08 drojf wx? weather+x?
16:12 * drojf packs his stuff and wanders off
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16:41 oleonard I'm sorely tempted to change the default sort on the hold queue report from patron to call number, considering the librarian would probably search for items by call number
16:41 oleonard Anyone have an opinion?
16:45 oleonard I'm also planning to change the default staff client template background to hot pink with animated sparkles.
16:45 oleonard Anyone have an opinion?
16:46 oleonard Don't say I didn't warn you!
16:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8914: Blank search that returns invalid authorities fails under Plack <[…]fac22a7eea6ecf77c> / Bug 8213 - "Cancel All" button on holds over tab cancels both holds over and holds... <[…]9c20afd383cca27de> / Question marks in series title facet links <http:
16:49 Oak_ :)
16:50 Oak_ as long as the animated sparkles are of rainbow colors i'm okay with it.
16:51 Oak_ anything more would be too much.
16:52 Oak_ and no more than 5 pictures of cats.
16:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #916 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:03 cait1 Oak_: but if it's kittens it can be more right?
17:03 cait1 because the cat weight matters?
17:03 cait1 oleonard: I am all for hot pink with sprinkles
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17:58 drojf what a peaceful channel
18:03 cait1 heh
18:04 * jcamins_away readds the missing line.
18:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #916: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/916/
18:05 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8910 - silent warnings triggered in
18:05 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8905: Error when accessing invalid authority
18:05 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8895 - Warning in Use of uninitialized value in length...
18:05 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8895 follow-up fix for Jonathan's QA comment
18:05 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8234: fixes date sort on 'Transfers to receive' page
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8910 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , silent warnings triggered in
18:05 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8885 - OPAC with ccsr theme in IE9
18:05 jenkins_koha * koha: Question marks in series title facet links
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8905 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Error when accessing invalid authority
18:05 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8213 - "Cancel All" button on holds over tab cancels both holds over and holds waiting
18:05 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8914: Blank search that returns invalid authorities fails under Plack
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8895 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Warning in Use of uninitialized value in length...
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8234 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Dates are not well sorted on Transfers to receive
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8885 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC with ccsr theme in IE9
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8213 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , "Cancel All" button on holds over tab cancels both holds over and holds waiting
18:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8914 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Blank search that returns invalid authorities fails under Plack
18:34 drojf mveron++
18:47 oleonard Afternoon git dead zone. *yawn*
18:47 jcamins_away oleonard: switch your computer to use git via http?
18:47 oleonard It's okay, it's working again
18:55 oleonard Why doesn't the acquisitions process automatically fill in the vendor name in "source of acquisition"on the item record?
18:58 oleonard nengard: When testing Bug 8676 what setting do you have for AcqCreateItem?
18:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8676 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , show vendor name in source of acquisition
18:58 nengard when ordering
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19:01 rangi morning
19:01 oleonard Hi rangi
19:02 oleonard When adding an item upon ordering, why is there no relation between the "Cost, normal purchase price" field and the "vendor price" in accounting details?
19:02 oleonard Or do I misunderstand how it works?
19:06 rangi i used to know how it worked, so many people have 'fixed' it since then, i have no idea anymore
19:07 oleonard nengard: When you add items upon ordering the booksellerid column in items is automatically filled with the vendor id?
19:08 nengard nope, only after you receive
19:08 nengard when you receive the price, replacement price and vendor are filled in
19:09 oleonard Okay, but eventually you end up with a numeric value in items.booksellerid which corresponds to the vendor id?
19:09 nengard the vendor id is entered when you receive ? sorry ? not the vendor name
19:10 nengard the name is never entered in the holdings table
19:10 oleonard And items.booksellerid is a numeric value which corresponds to the vendor id?
19:11 nengard i'm kind of jet lagged, but what I'm saying is that the vendor ID should be in the items table in the db - but the name should show in the staff client for those who don't memorize ids
19:11 nengard yes, it is and it should be
19:12 nengard just like it shows the collection code description instead of the collection code
19:13 nengard and the lost description instead of the lost authorized value
19:13 oleonard What is to prevent someone from typing a vendor name into "e - Source of acquisition" when adding the item?
19:13 nengard nothing
19:13 nengard and there shouldn't be anything preventing that
19:13 nengard some people use it for things like 'gift' or 'donation'
19:13 oleonard Then how is Koha to know whether the value there is a vendor id or a text string which shouldn't be formatted?
19:13 nengard good question
19:13 nengard how does it know on the items tab
19:14 oleonard I assume it doesn't
19:14 nengard see //cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/mo​
19:14 nengard it shows the name not the id
19:14 nengard that's what was confusing the libraries who asked me to report that
19:15 oleonard I can't follow that link nengard
19:15 nengard hehe
19:15 nengard i know that, i meant on your system - the items tab on the bib record ? i really shouldn't be talking today
19:18 nengard i think i need to go lay down ? and maybe tomorrow i can be clearer about what we're looking for
19:19 oleonard I see what you mean nengard
19:19 nengard whew :)
19:19 oleonard ...but that page pulls the vendor information directly from acquisitions tables based on the item number
19:20 nengard i figured
19:20 oleonard So it's not showing information based on items.booksellerid
19:22 nengard so it's not possible
19:23 oleonard I neither understand how your records are getting a vendor id into items.booksellerid or can imagine how you would accommodate manual entry in other cases
19:23 rangi mtj: you could edit your reply to his reply too
19:23 rangi you just sent a 38k mail :)
19:23 oleonard mtj: And revise the subject line?
19:27 mtj yeah, i guess i was attempting to show by example, why its a bad thing to do
19:28 rangi ahh, im not sure that will work
19:28 mtj … but the subtlety of my point is probably lost
19:28 rangi *nod*
19:28 jcamins_away Am I the only one who has absolutely no idea what that e-mail is about?
19:28 nengard oleonard, i understand it all, but can't explain right now ;)
19:28 mtj a failed reply, to a failed email
19:28 rangi if you cut and paste 20 pages of herp derp
19:28 rangi then it might work
19:28 rangi and probably make as much sense :)
19:28 jcamins_away lol
19:30 jcamins_away Why on earth does he change the subject to include the name of the person whose e-mail he is replying to?
19:31 rangi no idea
19:31 mtj it is a bit of a fail to not edit the herp-derp in your email that asks someone to remove the herp-derp from their email
19:31 rangi hehe yup :)
19:31 rangi its going in my book :)
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19:32 * jcamins_away won't be responding to his messages because of the digest-quoting and changed subjects.
19:32 oleonard Why on earth does someone assume that if you respond to their mailing list message you want to engage them personally in all future exchanges? People simply don't know how to use email.
19:32 jcamins_away I'd never be able to follow the discussion.
19:32 jcamins_away oleonard: touche.
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19:33 mtj rangi, yeah , its a good one… AND CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SHOUTING IN THIS #IRC CHANNEL!
19:33 jcamins_away Hehe.
19:33 oleonard I'm lucky to have cut my mailing list teeth on a list which was run with an iron fist with regard to etiquette
19:34 oleonard Or maybe unlucky, since now all infractions bug me all the more
19:38 mtj oleonard, curious …. what was the list?
19:39 oleonard Webdesign-L
19:40 mtj ah, ok
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19:41 * jcamins_away used e-mail before mail clients automatically hid quoted text. That pretty much taught a person not to include digests.
19:42 oleonard Uh... You would think? But not in my experience.
19:42 jcamins_away "Gee, I think I'd love to receive all of yesterday's messages tomorrow, too!"
19:43 * oleonard would make the digest option die if he were king
19:43 oleonard How can you properly reply to anything if you're subscribed to the digest? It should be read-only.
19:43 drojf and an optional google group for digest readers!!1!
19:44 jcamins_away drojf: yeah! That'd fix it!
19:46 oleonard Gosh is there *anything* a  Google Group can't fix?
19:46 jcamins_away oleonard: nothing!
19:46 wahanui nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
19:49 oleonard That was deep wahanui
19:49 jcamins_away the void?
19:49 drojf windows 8 is only 30€. woohoo. bargain.
19:49 jcamins_away abyss?
19:49 jcamins_away the abyss?
19:49 jcamins_away Wahanui has something about the abyss staring back at you, but I don't know where.
19:49 wahanui jcamins_away: huh?
19:50 drojf i thought that was MARC staring back at you when you look into it
19:50 drojf MARC?
19:50 wahanui
19:50 jcamins_away drojf: same thing.
19:50 jcamins_away @search stares
19:50 huginn jcamins_away: There were no matching configuration variables.
19:50 jcamins_away @quote get stare
19:50 huginn jcamins_away: Error: 'stare' is not a valid id.
19:51 jcamins_away @quote search stare
19:51 huginn jcamins_away: 1 found: #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21,..."
19:51 jcamins_away @quote get 184
19:51 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21, MARC21 STARES BACK INTO YOU!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:58 PM, January 30, 2012)
19:51 jcamins_away There we go.
19:51 * oleonard is still perplexed by Bug 8710
19:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Do not show the images tab in the OPAC if the record has no local cover images
19:52 oleonard sub ListImagesForBiblio returns undef if no images are found, but "$template->{VARS}->{localimages} = \@images;" is passing *something* to the template which is evaluating as true
19:54 jcamins_away Hmm.
19:54 jcamins_away That's...
19:55 jcamins_away weird.
19:55 jcamins_away Check localimages.size?
19:55 jcamins_away [% IF ( localimages.size ) %]?
19:55 oleonard localimages.size = 1
19:56 jcamins_away Really?
19:56 * oleonard swears
19:56 jcamins_away That's...
19:56 jcamins_away Really, really weird.
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20:02 oleonard Uh-yup.
20:11 oleonard jcamins_away: What about changing ListImagesForBiblio so that it returns @imagenumbers in all cases, rather than returning undef?
20:12 oleonard I see other examples which simply "return $sth->fetchrow_hashref();"
20:12 jcamins_away oleonard: Makes sense to me.
20:14 jcamins_away oleonard: but fetchrow_hashref will only return a single image.
20:15 oleonard Sorry, bad example
20:15 * oleonard will tinker more tomorrow
20:15 oleonard Bye #koha
20:16 rangi cya oleonard
20:16 cait1 bye oleonard - have a nice evening
21:08 * rangi giggles at bug 8972
21:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Due Date set to 100 years ago.
21:09 rangi i vote we should make it set it 3000 years in the future instead
21:09 cait1 :)
21:09 rangi seriously there is no right answer except, use 4 digit years
21:09 rangi anything else is a guess
21:10 rangi the computer cant possibly know what xx12 you mean
21:11 cait1 with the date picker there is no reason people should type
21:11 rangi speed?
21:11 wahanui hmmm... speed is important however.
21:11 cait1 hm not sure it's really faster
21:11 rangi probably not
21:11 ibeardslee yeah unless they are tabbing and typing
21:11 cait1 not with the /
21:11 rangi so ppl are allergic to mice
21:11 rangi so=some
21:19 magnuse jcamins_away: too away for a quick question?
21:21 magnuse ok, i'll try again tomorrow
21:21 magnuse have fun, #koha!
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21:38 slef wahanui: windows 8?
21:38 wahanui windows 8 is, like, due in a few days. cool. may it bring us lots of new linux users :)
21:39 cait1 no kebabs tonight?
21:40 eythian hi
21:40 cait1 hi eythian :)
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22:08 cait1 @wunder Konstanz
22:08 huginn cait1: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on October 26, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
22:36 eythian <-- First annual "Just Solve The Problem" month. This year, file-formats.
22:39 rangi[…]veiled-at-airport
22:43 mveron @wunder Allschwil
22:43 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Basel, Switzerland is 9.7°C (12:40 AM CEST on October 26, 2012). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
23:29 mveron Good night #koha

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