IRC log for #koha, 2012-10-04

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01:04 mtj jcamins_away, ping...
01:04 mtj what was yr patch was that fixed the annoying warns, from my PBP patch?
01:22 jcamins_away mtj: you QAed it.
01:23 mtj heh, yeah i did…
01:23 mtj i want to apply it, the warns in the log are bugging me :)
01:25 jcamins_away Oh, those warns.
01:26 jcamins_away Lemme find it.
01:26 jcamins_away bug 8832
01:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8832 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , can't enter a tax rate on vendor or when ordering
01:27 jcamins_away Ummm...
01:27 jcamins_away bug 8823
01:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record  ($9 RLIN)
01:27 jcamins_away WAit, no.
01:27 jcamins_away *Wait
01:27 jcamins_away I have no idea.
01:28 jcamins_away Bug 8829
01:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , can't import authorities
01:32 mtj hmm, is that actually your cat on teh keybored again, pretending to be you... :/
01:38 jcamins_away lol
01:38 jcamins_away No, that last one was the bug.
01:48 eythian does Koha care about the case in cn_source?
01:58 mtj pass, tho convert to UPPER if poss, i think
02:02 eythian really? because it's lower in the classification sources admin screen.
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02:20 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:37 eythian wahanui: Cory Doctorow
03:37 wahanui eythian: what?
03:37 eythian wahanui: Cory Doctorow is not a real Doctor.
03:37 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:56 mtompset Why did you teach wahanui that, eythian?
03:56 eythian It could be important one day.
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05:28 Brooke_ 0/
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06:28 magnuse kia ora #koha!
06:29 magnuse eythian++ for thinking ahead :-)
06:29 eythian to be fair, it's more that dh-make-perl spits up a big warning :)
06:31 alex_a bonjour
06:31 wahanui que tal, alex_a
06:31 alex_a que tal, wahanui
06:31 wahanui hello, alex_a
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06:34 * magnuse was thinking about teaching wahanui :-)
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06:35 eythian magnuse: oh ah
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06:37 julian_m hello
06:38 Brooke_ bonjour juian
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06:48 magnuse hiya Brooke_
06:52 Brooke_ :)
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06:54 reiveune hello
06:55 Brooke_ hi reiveune
06:56 reiveune salut Brooke_ :)
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07:03 mtompset Greetings, everyone. What did eythian think ahead on?
07:04 mtompset Ah, copyright and permissions issues.
07:04 mtompset eythian++ # great attention to potential licensing issues.
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07:04 marcelr hi #koha
07:04 gaetan_B hello
07:04 wahanui privet, gaetan_B
07:05 marcelr hi gaetan_B
07:06 magnuse cory doctorow?
07:06 wahanui i guess cory doctorow is not a real Doctor.
07:06 magnuse that's what i was thinking about :-)
07:08 mtompset Why were you thinking that, magnuse?
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07:08 mtompset Greetings, marcelr gaetan_B magnuse
07:09 mtompset Salut, reiveune et sophie_m :)
07:09 reiveune salut mtompset :)
07:09 mtompset Sorry if I missed anyone. I'm not really paying too much attention. :)
07:09 reiveune haha
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07:11 magnuse mtompset: cause the mind works in mysterious ways...
07:12 drojf good day #koha
07:12 magnuse kia ora drojf
07:12 mtompset Greetings, drojf. Every time I see your name, I think dwarf.
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07:12 francharb bonjour #koha
07:13 drojf hi magnuse and mtompset
07:13 mtompset magandang hapon po, francharb. ;) -- That was Tagalog for good afternoon <politeness marker>. :)
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07:23 matts hi !
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07:32 kf mtj: around?
07:34 drojf and a wondeful good morning to you too kf :P
07:34 kf heh
07:34 kf good morning #koha and drojf
07:34 kf :)
07:34 drojf :)
07:35 kf I thought I could catch mtj maybe on bug 8462 - I am worried about this change
07:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8462 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , OpacHiddenItems and hidelostitems hide items, but query result count is off
07:35 kf making records suddenly reappear seems not good to me - if I didn't misunderstand
07:36 kf btw - numbers for koha in lib-web-cats are up from 1428 october 11 to 1750 today :)
07:39 drojf hmm that patch sure sounds wrong. i would be not amused if i relied on that feature and it suddenly stops working
07:39 rangi i agree
07:40 drojf hey rangi
07:41 rangi hey drojf
07:42 kf yep exactly
07:42 magnuse who will mark is failed qa?
07:42 kf drojf, rangi: maybe add a good/bad idea to the bug to get some more votes against?
07:42 kf I thought about marking in discussion
07:42 kf but that's why I was loking for mtj earlier
07:43 rangi reading the patch now
07:43 kf thx
07:43 rangi ah yes
07:43 rangi that will make things that were previously hidden now show
07:45 rangi there marked it in discussion
07:46 rangi surely the count being wrong is far less of a problem than suddenly showing things that are supposed to be hidden
07:46 rangi imho anyway
07:46 wahanui imho is, like, in wizzyrea's humble opinion
07:47 kf I agree
07:47 kf I can understand the cound being a problem, but we should have thoguht about that before introducing the feature
07:47 kf as we didn't - we can't just rip it out now
07:48 kf ok, I have 250 bugs list mails ... I am going to mark them read without reading them, trusting that others did ... hopefully :)
07:49 rangi :)
07:50 * magnuse did that to a thousand threads after the summer holiday and some procrastination
07:51 rangi (its been there since about feb)
07:51 rangi so yeah too late now
07:51 kf rangi: the feature?
07:51 wahanui rumour has it the feature is from the time was still alive
07:51 rangi the change to hide the biblio
07:51 rangi yep
07:53 * kf nods
07:53 magnuse wahanui: forget the feature
07:53 wahanui magnuse: I forgot feature
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08:27 mtompset Greetings, kf.
08:32 Brooke_ hi mtompset
08:33 mtompset Greetings, Brooke_
08:48 magnuse rangi: could it be possible to split the "Needs Signoff" part of the dashboard into enh and "real" bugs? guess we should be focussing on the bugs by now...
08:51 rangi yep can do
08:51 magnuse yay
09:02 rangi there we go, its not showing enhancements now
09:03 rangi and 10 of them
09:03 magnuse yay
09:03 magnuse rangi++
09:03 magnuse still says "5 Oldest bugs" though ;-)
09:04 drojf it still says "5"
09:04 drojf heh
09:04 magnuse not any longer
09:04 drojf :)
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09:23 mtompset Finally. The internet came back.
09:27 drojf why would there be a google+1 script trying to load in my opac detail in master?
09:32 drojf SocialNetworks_enabled_by_default--
09:32 drojf hi mtompset
09:33 mtompset social networks enabled by default?
09:35 rangi oh really? normally our rule is no new features on by default
09:35 drojf like paul_p said here[…]g.cgi?id=7470#c16
09:35 huginn Bug 7470: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Babeltheque improvement and social networks links (like, +1,...)
09:35 drojf but it is on for me
09:36 rangi annoying
09:37 drojf yes. i would not want to go through all my sysprefs after an update, i would my system to work as before by default
09:38 drojf would want even
09:38 rangi yep
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09:42 mveron Hi #koha
09:42 drojf hi mveron :)
09:42 mveron hi drojf
09:42 rangi hi mveron
09:43 mveron ...and hi rangi
09:43 mveron :-)
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09:55 drojf magnuse: i tried bug 8793 and it looks like opac detail is somewhat screwed up for normarc? (not related to your patch it seems)
09:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8793 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix materialTypeCode/typeOf008 icons for NORMARC XSLT
09:58 magnuse drojf: yeah, some things are floating to the right? it's on my list of things to look at...
09:58 drojf ok
09:58 drojf then i'll ignore that for the bug
09:59 magnuse thanks :-)
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10:18 slef can someone set on koha.lists.katipo to nomail  please?
10:19 slef rangi: ^^ ?
10:19 wahanui ^^ is, like, always wizzyrea's concern, weird stuff could happen
10:21 kf_mtg asleep i would think
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11:16 slef USians, I just saw this web straw poll from a GfK UK website: "Which candidate do you hope wins America's presidential election?" Barack Obama 61%, Mitt Romney 8%, Someone else 6%, I don't care 25%.
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11:16 slef pretty accurate reflection of sentiment over here...
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11:47 mtompset Sadly, slef, those 6% are dreaming. :(
11:50 * magnuse would worry more about the 25%
11:50 drojf i thought they were supposed to vote for wikileaks :P
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11:51 mtompset Why worry about the 25%?
11:51 mtompset Nice one, drojf. ;)
11:51 magnuse because they don't care?
11:52 mtompset Yes, but was the poll of UKians, or USians? My understanding was UKians. In which case, why would they care?
11:52 magnuse ah, i probably misunderstood then
11:52 magnuse gah
11:52 mtompset There's a chance I did too.
11:52 magnuse s/magnuse would worry more about the 25%//
11:53 mtompset Only slef can clarify... unless we can find the poll in question.
11:55 jcamins fredericd: around?
11:55 slef poll of UK
11:56 slef not sure the poll is public... I've a login for the site concerned
11:57 slef mtompset: well, the US can currently extradite any UK resident without much resistance.  The Mutual(haha!) Legal Assistance Treaty seems to have made us the 51st state... and not like in the film.
11:58 mtompset I thought Canada was the 51st state. ;)
11:59 slef[…]_2003#Controversy
12:03 fredericd jcamins: hi
12:04 jcamins fredericd: is there any chance you could attach a file with some good UNIMARC authorities to bug 8870?
12:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8870 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC authorities search doesn't display properly information
12:06 fredericd I have to ask authorization. Or create some myself, which is another story
12:07 slef mtompset: Canada is the 49th county and 101st departement, isn't it?
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12:08 mtompset Sorry, I don't get that reference, slef.
12:08 slef mtompset: suggesting it's part of both England and France ;)
12:09 jcamins fredericd: if you're able to that would be helpful.
12:09 mtompset Ah, well considering that the English and French both were parental countries, perhaps. ;)
12:09 mtompset Though, I don't think France would take Quebec back.
12:10 mtompset And I doubt Canada wishes to go back to either.
12:11 mtompset I think we did a good job building our national rep in the world wars.
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12:19 oleonard Hi #koha
12:20 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. :)
12:27 magnuse @get quote 123
12:27 huginn magnuse: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
12:27 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
12:27 magnuse @quote get 123
12:27 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:27 jcamins magnuse: uh-oh. What crazy thing have you just encountered?
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12:28 magnuse none, i'm just preparing for the worst :-)
12:28 mtompset On a positive note, I have emailed back and forth with the LiveCD/DVD person about installation instructions.
12:29 mtompset I think he's understanding that there are multiple ways to install, and packages in best under Ubuntu. Though, perhaps I read too much into the email.
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12:35 magnuse kia ora trea!
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13:03 trea kia ora magnuse!
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13:48 wizzyrea <time of day>
13:48 wizzyrea :)
13:49 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:54 kf hi wizzyrea and oleonard :)
13:55 wizzyrea kf! <big hug>
13:55 kf yay!
13:56 kf <big hug back>
13:56 wizzyrea i'm sorry to have been so absent lately - I'll be back full force soon. :)
13:56 kf :)
13:56 * wajasu testing fines dedup script
13:56 kf excited?
13:57 wizzyrea *nod*
13:57 wizzyrea terrified.
13:57 wizzyrea (but manageably so)
13:58 mtompset terrified?
14:00 wizzyrea it's a long story :)
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14:07 mtompset As long as the story ends happily with you working full force on Koha. ;)
14:12 wajasu khall:  your script for fines.  i need guidance.  1) where should we put it?   misc/migration_tools?   2) what should we call it?  it passes perlcritic, do we need copyright? pod?
14:12 wizzyrea that's the goal :)
14:14 khall wajasu, I had not planned for it to be commited to the codebase. I was thinking we could just make it available from bugzilla for those who need it. If you want it in the codebase, I can fix it up and submit it as a patch.
14:19 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone. :)
14:21 wajasu khall: it will probably be handy for a vendor when they are in the midst of a migration and after the 1st nights run, dups!  they can just run what is in the enviroment.  without having to find and transport it to the environment.  but ask rangi or someone else later.  I'll signoff on the script as working now.
14:22 khall ok, I'll go ahead an convert it to a patch and submit it.
14:23 wajasu ok.  might as well since i have this environment set up.  and its easier to test it as part of the 8253 bug at the end.
14:27 wajasu khall: should that bug be targetting Version: rel_3_8  ?
14:27 wajasu thats what i'm testing against.
14:27 khall yeah, that makes sense
14:30 wajasu just rename it something more discernable.  that will withstand being in the misc/migration_tools  and not collide with future fines/accountlines scripts.
14:39 khall wajasu, patch submitted. I used your file name, but I put it in misc/maintenance
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15:05 gaetan_B bye !
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15:09 kf bye all
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15:33 drojf magnuse: is there a diff of marc21 and normarc available somewhere? i suppose there are not too much differences?
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16:14 wizzyrea iirc normarc is really close to marc21
16:28 drojf but they must have some differences and i bet it's something cool. like a field to classify northern lights
16:28 wizzyrea hehe
16:28 wajasu khall: the first patch for 8253, needs to be applied to master for folks going from <3.8 to master+.  can you add that as well?  or should we create a new bug targetting master? if we get the fix in for 3.10+ the dup removal script is not needed in those versions.
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17:00 libsysguy yo slef you around?
17:01 libsysguy also wajasu, thanks for the later
17:01 libsysguy I actually figured out why I wasn't getting fines but seeing it in the logs
17:01 libsysguy grace days :-/
17:02 magnuse drojf still around?
17:03 drojf yup
17:03 magnuse normarc is *mostly* a subset of marc21
17:03 magnuse there are something like 9 fields in normarc that are not in marc21
17:04 magnuse see here:
17:04 magnuse and there is nothing cool about it
17:04 magnuse :-)
17:04 magnuse oh yes, and some of the codes in 007 and 008 (or thereabouts) have different meaning
17:05 wajasu khall: i don't think we need another patch for 8253.  i was able to apply it cleanly to master, and put a comment that someone needs to QA against master after 3.8.x
17:05 magnuse so 008 pos 6 = a might mean adults in marc21 and children in normarc - that sort of thing
17:06 seneca Howdy all - anyone able to help me with an upgrade dilemma?
17:06 drojf magnuse: thanks, i'll have a look. and i bet i find something cool ;)
17:07 oleonard seneca: Not unless you ask your question ;)
17:07 seneca I initially used the VM that was available at one point, and have been using git to upgrade it periodically
17:07 seneca it's at 3.4.4 now
17:07 seneca went to do an upgrade today, using the same process/steps as I have before, and it seems that it loses all the perl modules
17:08 magnuse drojf: good luck! :-)
17:08 drojf thanks :)
17:08 slef libsysguy: ?
17:08 * magnuse saw the full moon and some northern lights a couple nights ago
17:08 libsysguy hey I had a question about you're reply do the devel list
17:08 libsysguy as far as passing xml around
17:08 * slef hides
17:08 libsysguy will it be all on the same domain
17:08 * drojf is jealous. northern lights hide from me
17:08 libsysguy or will it be cross domain
17:09 seneca After the last "git checkout master" I get error messages in the opac regarding missing modules and relates
17:09 libsysguy you may not know, I don't
17:09 slef libsysguy: domain in which sense?
17:09 libsysguy like from to
17:09 seneca koha_perl_deps claims that it needs every module...lists about 20 of them
17:10 drojf seneca: you are upgrading a 3.4.4 in git to master?
17:10 seneca yeah
17:10 seneca HOWEVER...
17:11 drojf i would assume that there may be 20 new dependencies since 3.4.4
17:11 seneca I'm wondering if at this point it would be better to roll out a new debian server and transfer koha over to it (install via apt, mv over the db)
17:11 drojf yes it would
17:11 drojf if that is a production system
17:11 seneca it is
17:12 seneca the VM was initially for a test...
17:12 seneca I guess when it worked, it became the production server
17:12 drojf heh
17:12 wajasu should he read up on koha-common packages?
17:13 drojf i would set up a debian server, install packages for 3.8.5, import data and run that script to remove items (whatever it is called)
17:13 slef libsysguy: I'm confused by the question.
17:13 libsysguy slef, the reason I bring it up is because doing cross domain calls is…difficult…with XML
17:13 libsysguy but json is easy
17:13 slef libsysguy: surely it's up to whoever configures things?
17:13 seneca script to remove items?
17:13 slef libsysguy: XML and json are just file formats. They don
17:13 slef libsysguy: XML and json are just file formats. They don't call anything.
17:14 libsysguy right but the REST api that is passing them back and fourth does
17:14 seneca I've read up on the debian install a bit, saw that "koha-common" is recommended over "koha"
17:14 slef libsysguy: the API just listens and acts on them. I think you're describing the problems javascript has accessing other domains?
17:14 drojf seneca: items are stored diffently in newer versions. you don't throw them away, you just put them somewhere else. i forget whether that is needed from 3.2 to 3.4 or from 3.4 to >3.4
17:14 libsysguy yeah that
17:14 wahanui well, yeah that is fine as it is
17:14 libsysguy :p
17:14 drojf seneca: but you will be told about it when installing packages
17:15 slef libsysguy: well, if you want to call it cross-domain, either set them up on the same domain, ReverseProxy the API into the domain serving the javascript or use something better than javascript. ;-)
17:15 seneca I will read ay messages then.  Thanks for the tip.
17:15 slef libsysguy: or use JSON and the tricks.
17:15 libsysguy mmm json tricks
17:16 libsysguy yup so you got it
17:16 slef libsysguy: hang on, how do you call cross-domain with json? (I could ask our jquery guru, but you're here now ;*) )
17:16 libsysguy excellent
17:16 libsysguy well you pass json
17:16 libsysguy like you said above
17:16 seneca I've set up a few cronjobs on the VM installation for running scripts for late notices, and other things... will those need to be brought over to the new server, or do the apt packages handle that stuff now?
17:16 slef oh, callbacks?
17:16 libsysguy the same way you'd pass xml
17:16 libsysguy yeah
17:17 slef nah, I'd prefer not to use callbacks... or javascript, for that matter. ;-)
17:17 libsysguy i might have misread that thread
17:17 libsysguy thats what I get for reading more than one email at once :p
17:17 slef dunno - it's a related problem
17:17 libsysguy they are trying to develop a REST-ful service for Koha right?
17:18 libsysguy so that Drupal can make calls?
17:18 slef yeah, but drupal is PHP, so the javascript same-domain restriction doesn't matter if it's running drupalside
17:18 slef AFAIK
17:19 libsysguy now im confused
17:19 seneca how much of a pain is it to move an installation to another server? export/import the db and what else?
17:20 libsysguy the same domain restriction still exists even on other sub domains
17:20 libsysguy is that what you're getting at?
17:20 slef seneca: grab the /etc/koha or /etc/koha/sites/NAME for good measure IMO
17:20 slef libsysguy: no. I'm saying that there is no domain restriction for PHP code like drupal.
17:21 libsysguy so how are you getting today data to and from drupal
17:21 seneca ok - just in case I need to reference an old config?
17:21 libsysguy to koha
17:21 wajasu seneca: you will need to do crontab -l  for your cronjobs, and set them up as needed in the new VM.  read up on bugs on your target version, to see if they affect you, and work toward a version that makes sense.
17:22 * libsysguy is genuinely interested and not trying to be a pain
17:22 libsysguy i promise
17:22 slef libsysguy: I think you should ask the biblibrans how it works. I don't do much with drupal any more.
17:22 libsysguy heh i like that, biblibrains
17:22 slef libsysguy: I've done more with the svc and SRU/SRW
17:22 libsysguy gotcha
17:22 seneca thanks wajasu
17:22 wajasu seneca: yes you can dump the db and load it.  the webinstaller will upgrade accordingly.
17:22 libsysguy yeah I have 0 exp there
17:22 slef wahanui: svc?
17:22 wahanui i don't know, slef
17:23 slef wahanui: svc API?
17:23 wahanui somebody said svc API was[…]ha_/svc/_HTTP_API
17:23 libsysguy ok well thanks for entertaining my wandering thoughts slef :)
17:23 slef wahanui: SRU?
17:23 wahanui SRU is Search/Retrieval via URL or or SRU Record Update
17:23 slef wahanui: you are not the most helpful for SRU
17:23 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow....
17:23 slef libsysguy: no worries. Maybe you'll make something surprising with this info.
17:24 libsysguy heh here's to hoping
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17:42 jcamins_away gmcharlt: if you wanted to take a look at the patch on bug 8665, it would be appreciated.
17:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8665 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records
17:48 gmcharlt jcamins_away: at first glance, looks like on the right track, but what's this admixture of the 450 and index_heading_conditional stuff tag doing in the patch?
17:49 jcamins_away gmcharlt: I have no idea... all I did was regenerate the Zebra defs.
17:49 jcamins_away Oh.
17:49 jcamins_away I know what it is.
17:49 jcamins_away I added that for authorities.
17:49 jcamins_away No changes to the bib indexing, so I didn't regenerate biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl.
17:50 jcamins_away When I went back and made one-line changes to the bib indexing configuration, it required me to regenerate.
18:02 * oleonard thought Little Elm Public Library must be in Ohio because their logo is shaped like our state http://www.littleelmlibrary.or[…]ages/lel_logo.gif
18:11 wajasu khall: if 8253 gets applied to master, 8112 won't be needed, correct?  so why don't we comment about that at the bottom of 8253 and possibly retire this patch. what do you think?
18:12 wajasu khall: so we won't need to test/qa 8112, which seems to be an earlier bandaid.
18:13 khall wajasu, I don't think 8112 is related.
18:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7986' <[…]ee5540e4e1b48704d> / Bug 7986: Followup: Hide the export link unless sysprefs are set <[…]0d60511aec8b356a1> / Bug 6716: Update biblioitems tables <[…]=koha.git;a=commi
18:14 khall nope, I'm wrong
18:15 khall wajasu, why don't you just mark it as a duplicate of 8253, since that will render this bug obsolete
18:15 wajasu ok.
18:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #868 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #864 2 days 2 hr ago)
18:41 nengard okay ? the manual has gotten too big to save ? I need a more powerful app for writing/editing it becuase I kinda need it to dave and I need it to be one file if we're giong to link from section to section ?. ideas for a wysiwyg docbook editor that will run on Mac?
18:43 * oleonard knows not of docbook editors
18:45 wajasu nengard: see if       is useful.
18:48 wajasu or[…]me&substr=dblatex
18:49 tcohen LyX++
19:24 jcamins_away mtj: different package.
19:36 oleonard Quick Bootstrap OPAC test: Minimal style, but following current layout
19:36 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
19:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #868: FIXED in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/868/
19:36 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716 - Fix alt contact field documentation
19:36 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Update biblioitems tables
19:36 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7986: Followup: Hide the export link unless sysprefs are set
19:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, P3, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
19:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Export issues
19:38 rangi morning
19:39 oleonard Hi rangi
19:39 nengard looks good oleonard
19:40 wizzyrea mornin
19:40 oleonard Not much to see, but it's nice to get a gauge on how difficult it is to get it started.
19:40 nengard yeah
19:41 wizzyrea I like that oleonard
19:41 wizzyrea the cart with a briefcase is a bit odd
19:41 wizzyrea lol. :)
19:41 oleonard Yeah, just playing around with Bootstrap default icons
19:41 oleonard They don't have a cart :P
19:46 nengard well i never liked it being a cart anyway :)
19:49 mtj jcamins_away, lol ah yep :)
19:50 rangi you might want to follow that up :)
19:52 rangi ah eythian already did
19:58 mtj ...and then me
19:59 mtj oleonard++ nice themage ^^
20:00 oleonard mtj: I hope you'll weigh in on the discussion I'm trying to start on the devel list
20:00 mtj yep, absolutely
20:02 oleonard mtj: How far did you get with your OPAC Bootstrap work?
20:04 mtj hmm, only as far as i showed you some weeks(months?) ago
20:04 oleonard Were you just testing one page?
20:04 * oleonard has only worked on the logic and structure of the main page so far
20:05 mtj i was fiddling with adding the mutli theme stuff ->[…]
20:05 mtj …from the 'preview' tab, up top
20:07 mtj then i put it on hold (until after the 3.10 release)
20:09 mtj yeah, i was just testing  (main, search, details) pages, in opac
20:09 oleonard It looks really good
20:11 mtj i played a little with the layout, just for fun - but i was really focusing on the 'dynamic' css-switching thing
20:13 mtj … and thanks! :)
20:13 oleonard The grid and responsive layout are important issues to me
20:14 jcamins_away responsive_layout++
20:14 cait oleonard: looks nice, very clean
20:15 oleonard Just trying to start from scratch with regard to the style, not trying to push the minimal design
20:15 mtj oleonard, yeah, i agree
20:16 cait :) cleaned up css files :)
20:16 oleonard And maybe we even need to agree on a plan for requiring some kind of CSS-tidy and/or minimization
20:17 rangi yep
20:17 jcamins_away What's too bad is that there's no way to figure out easily which CSS styles are just not used at all anymore.
20:17 rangi you'd think there would be a plugin for that
20:17 jcamins_away I feel like there are probably large portions of opac.css that are essentially no-ops.
20:18 rangi could be
20:18 rangi however our css is pretty tiny, in the scheme of things
20:19 jcamins_away Yeah, I had in mind more making it easier to maintain.
20:19 rangi and with a cache header, is only fetched once
20:19 rangi *nod*
20:19 rangi[…]yles-in-a-website
20:20 rangi[…]ust-me-selectors/
20:20 rangi done :)
20:20 oleonard Yeah I've tried that addon before... trouble is it's hard to use across multiple pages
20:21 rangi luckily there arent that many pages in the opac
20:21 jcamins_away rangi: I tried that, but it doesn't seem to be possible to make it keep track across an entire site.
20:21 rangi no, but thats what a print out is for
20:21 rangi print out the unused styles on the first page
20:22 rangi then look at the others, cross out any that are now used, its gonna be annoying to do, but doable
20:22 oleonard Or you could just start over from scratch like I'm proposing :)
20:22 rangi yep
20:24 rangi working code will win, i mean warning people you are thinking about working on something is perfect, but waiting for consensus before begininning isn't ;)
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20:24 oleonard Well I'm beginning, but I want to do it openly because I think the CCSR theme could've been done better with wider input
20:24 rangi yup
20:25 oleonard ...and I haven't been in the opac-customization game in a while, so those issues aren't fresh in my mind
20:25 rangi true
20:25 * jcamins_away is definitely going to consider his work on rebasing the CCSR theme time well-spent if it results in people thinking about OPAC usability.
20:25 jcamins_away :)
20:26 rangi my main thing that would make life easier for customisation
20:26 rangi a class or an id on everything ;)
20:26 rangi thats what the designers here complain about
20:26 rangi its getting better all the time, but there are still somethings you have to resort to jquery to do, becuase you cant select them with css
20:30 mtj haay, have folks spotted this yet ->
20:30 mtj[…]nd-line-interface
20:31 oleonard "Don't use IDs in selectors?!"
20:31 oleonard Uh-wha?
20:32 oleonard And on that high note, oleonard out.
20:32 rangi heh
20:32 cait bye oleonard :)
20:32 cait hah, was fast enough :)
20:33 wajasu rangi: please review what khall an i did today for bug 8253.  my changing it for rel_3_8 with a request to test for master, and specifying a duplicate bug. etc
20:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8 (or later)
20:33 mtj … and the follow-up ->
20:36 rangi looks fine to me, just needs a qa person to check it, and then im happy to push to 3.8
20:36 wajasu great
20:38 rangi since i helped author it, i do want someone else to test it (i have used it in production though and it works)
20:40 drojf are the XSLT stylesheets supposed to be left like they are unless there are errors (and further changes are done locally only) or should we submit patches for missing fields? i just added marc21 field 511 to mine and wonder if i'm supposed to submit a patch
20:41 cait drojf: I think you could submit  a patch
20:41 rangi i lean towards submitting patchs
20:41 cait @marc 511
20:41 huginn cait: The names of the participants, players, narrators, presenters, or performers. (Repeatable) [a,6,8]
20:41 cait ah, sounds good :)
20:53 cait good night all
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21:02 wajasu rangi: on bug 8849, the perlcritic patch. do you think it was errantly attached to 8849?  maybe after a patch was posted, bugzilla might have forwarded to the next one to fix, and he attached the perlcritic fix?  its for which 8849 doesn't address.
21:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Error log generated when not a demo system
21:04 rangi yep looks liek wrong bug
21:06 wajasu and the one he references 8739  is pushed to stable.  i could reattach it to 8739.
21:07 wajasu or another bug that touches
21:07 wajasu and this is for 3.8
21:08 rangi id just ask him
21:10 wajasu fredericd: is that followup perlcritic bug on 8849 misplaced?  was it meant for 8739?   if so maybe you can move it to some other bug that touches
21:11 seneca OK...feeling kinda dumb.... I just installed koha in debian via koha-common and koha-create... how do I get to the admin site? heading to the IP of the new server gives me the "maintenance" page
21:11 wizzyrea ip:8080
21:11 wizzyrea ?
21:11 seneca that's what I thought...
21:11 rangi it wont be that
21:11 seneca nothing answering at that port...
21:12 rangi unless you told it to be when you set up the file before running koha-create
21:12 seneca in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf?
21:13 rangi yep
21:13 seneca Ah. I was following this:[…]tep:_Install_Koha
21:13 wajasu at least you can use koha-remove <site-name> fairly easily.
21:13 rangi can you paste it into
21:13 seneca but it seemed to me like that wasn't enough info...
21:13 rangi packages?
21:13 wahanui i think packages is at
21:14 seneca so I'll need to remove this instance, fix the file, then create an instance again
21:14 rangi depends
21:14 rangi can you paste what is in the file first
21:14 seneca yeah
21:14 rangi[…]ial_Configuration
21:15 rangi if you arent doing name based hosting you will need to set the INTRAPORT to something
21:15 seneca
21:15 seneca this will be the only thing running on this server (koha, and its related apache, etc.)
21:16 rangi i usually just do name based hosting, but if you want to use ports, you have 2 options
21:16 rangi you can edit that file
21:16 rangi and remove/create
21:16 rangi or you can edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/instancename
21:16 rangi and make the intranet listen on port 8080
21:17 seneca by "name-based" do you mean koha=opac and koha/admin=admin?
21:17 rangi maybe, but it could be anything
21:17 seneca but that's what you mean, and not ":port" right?
21:17 seneca just trying to make sure I got it
21:17 rangi yep
21:17 seneca hah
21:18 wajasu is the name based hosting where the apache server chooses the  opc or admin app based on the  URL?
21:18 seneca that emoticon-ed on me... looks funny
21:18 rangi[…]s/name-based.html
21:18 seneca is there a recommendation for name-based or ports?
21:19 rangi its up to you
21:19 seneca our original koha server (this is a replacement) used ports, but it is OLD
21:19 seneca ok
21:19 rangi if you have dns
21:19 rangi id use names
21:19 rangi they are easier to remember
21:19 seneca heh
21:19 seneca yeah, but THEN I'd have to go fix all my bookmarks ;P
21:21 seneca ok, so if I wanted to do name-based, say and, do I need to edit the file and recreate?
21:21 rangi you can
21:21 seneca or can I just go edit the apache configs?
21:21 rangi or you can just edit the apcache configs
21:21 seneca heh
21:21 seneca awesome
21:21 seneca thanks!
21:22 wajasu i see.  you need the DNS setup to differentiate.
21:23 drojf dear sir, does koha run on this?
21:23 rangi i bet it does
21:23 rangi if it can run perl
21:24 wajasu i run that for my DNS server
21:24 wajasu ;)
21:24 rangi however not being networked means it wont be that useful :)
21:24 drojf rangi: i'd appreciate a video tutorial on how to set it up :P
21:25 rangi thats not demanding enough :)
21:25 rangi provide me a video tutorial!
21:26 wizzyrea yea, you expressed appreciation
21:26 wizzyrea that's a no no
21:26 wizzyrea ;)
21:26 wizzyrea j/k
21:26 drojf lol
21:28 drojf it's awfully quiet on the livecd front
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21:39 seneca hey rangi, to start with I altered the apache config so that Intranet has <VirtualHost *:8080> and restarted apache, but I'm still not getting a response on that port, oddly. Anything special I need to do for koha?
21:39 seneca FYI: I've not yet run the web installer yet... that's what I'm trying to get to so that I can finish the setup
21:40 rangi check ports.conf
21:40 rangi make sure it has a Listen 8080
21:40 rangi line
21:41 seneca ah, that would do it, wouldn't it. sorry about that. I bet that's it
21:41 rangi no worries, easy to miss
21:41 wizzyrea i've done that.
21:42 seneca been a while since I configured apache... :)
21:47 seneca My guess is no, but if I change database names and users from the default (koha_koha) will it cause me pain when I go to upgrade the server?
21:48 rangi yes
21:48 rangi dont do that
21:48 seneca ha
21:48 seneca oki
21:49 eythian actually, it shouldn't. All the tools should use the database in the config. That said, I've never done it.
21:52 rangi hmm true
21:52 rangi so, maybe :)
21:52 eythian try it, and if something breaks, make a patch ;)
21:52 seneca hehe
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21:58 drojf can i get local cover images into koha together with my records somehow with
21:58 jcamins_away drojf: no, though that'd be pretty cool.
21:58 rangi it sure would
22:02 seneca if I had an sql dump from version 3.4 and wanted to import it into my newly created install, what's the recommended way to do that?
22:03 jcamins Myshkin is currently trying to get at the little container of change I keep on my desk.
22:03 jcamins No, excuse me. He's gotten bored. He's trying to make a phone call.
22:03 jcamins seneca: you used packages, yes?
22:03 seneca yeah, debian koha-common
22:03 jcamins Good.
22:04 jcamins You created an instance?
22:04 seneca yep
22:04 jcamins You do not have any data in it?
22:04 seneca right
22:04 jcamins Good.
22:05 jcamins I think you can just do `sudo koha-mysql instancename < sqlfile`
22:05 seneca nifty!
22:05 jcamins However, I always get confused about sudo and redirection, so that might not work.
22:05 seneca I'll give it a try
22:05 rangi that will work
22:06 seneca ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 3143: Can't create table 'koha_koha.letter' (errno: 150)
22:06 seneca mean anything to anyone?
22:07 seneca it worked for a while then gave that and exited
22:07 jcamins Cool. sudo works with redirected input, just not redirected output?
22:07 eythian seneca: there's something about the letter table that is problematic
22:07 seneca what is the letter table?
22:07 eythian it's just a table called letter
22:07 seneca well alright. does it hold anything?
22:07 eythian I fix it by deleting everything
22:08 seneca deleting everything?
22:08 eythian you're importing a dump right, so you can delete everything in the database safely?
22:08 jcamins eythian: sounds like a bug.
22:09 eythian jcamins: it is, but I've never actually pinned down where it comes from.
22:09 seneca oh, you mean like drop all tables in the new db and import the dump?
22:09 rangi its a foreign key issue
22:09 eythian jup
22:09 rangi you can either delete everything
22:09 rangi or
22:10 rangi edit you dump file
22:10 rangi and put
22:10 pastebot "eythian" at pasted "script to delete everything from a database" (55 lines) at
22:10 rangi SET foreign_check_keys=0
22:10 rangi then turn it back on after its created
22:11 eythian I use that script, it also ensures there are no stray tables hanging around.
22:12 seneca do I need to run that script from someplace specific?
22:12 seneca oh... no. I bet I need to export some path stuff
22:13 eythian yeah
22:13 eythian you need to export KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB
22:13 * eythian really needs to write a koha-shell command do take care of this
22:13 eythian *to
22:14 seneca anyone know where the PERL5LIB lives by default in new debian+koha installs? ;)
22:14 eythian /usr/share/koha/lib off the top of my head
22:14 eythian yep, that
22:14 wahanui somebody said yep, that was what I did. I had been pulling from HEAD and wondered after I did this if it would roll me back to 3.2.x
22:15 seneca nice
22:15 seneca thanks
22:16 seneca how's your script know which db to use?
22:17 eythian it takes it from the KOHA_CONF you specify
22:17 seneca ah
22:17 seneca what's the syntax? I see the "--delete-everything"...
22:18 eythian that's it
22:18 seneca oh, ok
22:18 eythian it's very simple, also fairly dangerous
22:19 seneca heh
22:19 rangi heh i was looking for stuff about dbix::class and found my own blogpost
22:19 rangi[…]ixclass-and-koha/
22:19 seneca heh
22:20 seneca once I delete everything, I can koha-mysql the dump back in?
22:20 eythian that's right
22:20 wahanui I know.
22:21 jcamins Cool!
22:21 eythian ?
22:22 jcamins eythian: rangi's blog post.
22:22 eythian ah
22:22 seneca so there was no schema change from 3.4 to 3.8, eh?
22:23 jcamins seneca: there is, but that's what koha-upgrade-schema does.
22:23 seneca should I run that after the dump?
22:23 eythian you can
22:23 jcamins After you've finished loading it.
22:24 eythian if you don't, the staff interface will do it for you
22:24 seneca oh
22:24 seneca cool
22:24 seneca very slick ;)
22:24 jcamins But if you let the staff interface do it for you, you won't be able to tell when it's finished.
22:24 seneca ah
22:24 eythian yeah, that upgrade can take a while
22:24 seneca well ok
22:24 eythian (sometimes, depends on your data)
22:24 seneca I'll do it myself (said like a pouty little kid)
22:25 seneca is there special syntax for the upgrade script?
22:25 seneca does it just use the KOHA_CONF as well?
22:25 jcamins sudo koha-upgrade-schema koha
22:25 eythian just give it the name of the instance
22:25 seneca got it
22:26 seneca woah
22:26 seneca that was actually really quick
22:26 seneca but we're tiny
22:26 jcamins seneca: how tiny is tiny?
22:26 seneca prob about 20k items
22:26 jcamins I found the upgrade from 3.6 to 3.8 took painfully long.
22:26 eythian it's mostly if you have a huge issue history that it takes time
22:26 jcamins Oh.
22:26 jcamins That'd be why.
22:26 seneca heh
22:27 seneca small independent school in Ohio
22:28 jcamins Why does it look like there is going to be a tornado?
22:28 jcamins I live in New York City... not exactly tornado central.
22:29 eythian jcamins: there's going to be a tornado.
22:29 seneca hmm...
22:29 seneca well, all my patrons are there
22:29 jcamins Other than this summer, when we've had... five?
22:29 jcamins seneca: tell them to get indoors, it looks like a tornado.
22:29 seneca no items, it seems
22:29 seneca a tornado?
22:29 seneca where?
22:30 eythian seneca: you may have to rebuild zebra
22:30 jcamins Outside. In New York.
22:30 seneca ah
22:30 jcamins (city)
22:30 eythian sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f koha
22:30 seneca yeah, don't mess with tornados
22:30 jcamins No tornado warning, though.
22:30 seneca they always win
22:30 seneca thanks eythian
22:31 seneca (and everyone else)
22:31 eythian we had a severe wind warning today, but that just means it's a day that ends in 'y' really.
22:31 eythian sweet as
22:32 seneca I asked this earlier today, but just to be sure - is it true that I will have to copy over all my koha script-related cronjobs from the old server?
22:32 rangi no
22:32 jcamins What cronjobs?
22:32 wahanui cronjobs are essential
22:32 rangi but you will want to look at
22:32 eythian the packages do all that for you
22:32 rangi /etc/cron.d/koha-common
22:32 wahanui rumour has it /etc/cron.d/koha-common is where the indexing lives
22:32 seneca like rebuilding zebra, overdue notices, holds, etc
22:32 jcamins If they're the cronjobs that Koha provides, no.
22:32 rangi cron.daily/
22:32 rangi cron.hourly
22:32 rangi too
22:33 jcamins If you wrote custom scripts, they won't be in the packages.
22:33 rangi check the koha-common in there
22:33 rangi make sure all the jobs you want to run are going to be run
22:33 rangi also
22:33 seneca awesome
22:33 rangi your machine wont send any email
22:33 seneca there's some great polish on the latest version of koha!
22:33 rangi until you do koha-email-enable
22:33 seneca kudos developers!
22:33 seneca I did read that, thanks
22:34 seneca 22383 records from my zebra rebuild, just to be exact
22:34 eythian cool
22:36 seneca we use ldap as well... any changes in that config syntax?
22:37 eythian don't think so
22:39 seneca sweet! copy/paste of the ldap config works great
22:40 eythian awaesome :)
22:40 eythian -a
22:41 drojf waesome?
22:41 drojf good night #koha
22:41 eythian yeah, get out of here drojf ;)
22:52 seneca I'm assuming postfix should be working before I try to have koha send email...
22:52 eythian it's probably a good idea, yes
22:53 seneca doh! ;)
22:57 seneca there we go...
22:57 seneca and I think I'm done...
22:57 seneca db moved, cronjobs set, postfix works, email enabled, ldap set up...
22:57 seneca I'm sure the librarian will tell me what I missed tomorrow... ;)
22:59 seneca and I shall happily help her, as she is my wife!
22:59 seneca thanks again everyone!
22:59 eythian heh
22:59 eythian no worries
22:59 seneca koha's community wins again
22:59 eythian :)
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