| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:09 |
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wajasu |
fyi: apache-shared-intranet.conf i was looking to see if things are available and noticed: ls: cannot access /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/search.pl: No such file or directory |
| 00:09 |
|
wajasu |
this is tcohen's koha-common.deb |
| 00:10 |
|
wajasu |
but this is another issue maybe. |
| 00:10 |
|
wajasu |
ScriptAlias for /search in intranet. |
| 00:17 |
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jcamins |
wajasu: I don't know what is going on with that. |
| 00:19 |
|
eythian |
wajasu: sudo koha-enable dog? |
| 00:33 |
|
wajasu |
i remove dthe dog and created cat and did koha-enable. its working. |
| 00:39 |
|
wajasu |
ok. the webinstaller is running. it complained about wanting Template::Plugin::HtmlToText though |
| 00:39 |
|
wajasu |
maybe he left that out of the deps |
| 00:40 |
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| 00:41 |
|
eythian |
it's a relatively new addition |
| 00:43 |
|
wajasu |
ok. i'll just note it in the bug, that he needs to add the dep. |
| 00:44 |
|
eythian |
well, if he's testing something else he doesn't, it's in the core packages. |
| 00:47 |
|
wajasu |
so thats not his responsibility? having it in debian.packages or whatever drives the koha-common deps? |
| 00:47 |
|
jcamins |
wajasu: right. That has nothing to do with him. |
| 00:47 |
|
jcamins |
I think there's already a patch for it, too. |
| 00:48 |
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wajasu |
ok. ill just note my findings and signoff |
| 00:52 |
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| 00:52 |
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jcamins |
Is it morning again already and no one told me?!? |
| 00:52 |
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eythian |
no, it's just afternoon. |
| 00:53 |
|
jcamins |
eythian: then how do you explain oleonard's presence? |
| 00:53 |
|
eythian |
magic. |
| 00:53 |
|
oleonard |
8:50AM, time to start work! |
| 00:53 |
|
jcamins |
Maybe Ohio has seceded and is now 180 degrees out of phase with the rest of us. |
| 00:55 |
|
eythian |
the rest of you. From my point of view, they seceded long ago. |
| 00:57 |
|
* oleonard |
always ends up doing about half an hour of yak-shaving when working from his seldom-used VM at home |
| 00:57 |
|
jcamins |
oleonard: why on earth are you working at this hour? |
| 00:57 |
|
oleonard |
Got a bee in my bonnet |
| 00:57 |
|
oleonard |
Why on earth are *you* working at this hour? |
| 00:58 |
|
jcamins |
oleonard: uhhh... |
| 00:58 |
|
* jcamins |
checks. |
| 00:58 |
|
jcamins |
Aren't I usually? |
| 00:58 |
|
* oleonard |
wouldn't know :P |
| 00:59 |
|
oleonard |
Actually it seems like you work at all hours |
| 01:00 |
|
jcamins |
Pretty much. |
| 01:01 |
|
jcamins |
Being a business owner has its disadvantages. |
| 01:03 |
|
oleonard |
Yeah, that's how kados got to be #1 in IRC stats |
| 01:04 |
|
jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 01:04 |
|
* jcamins |
is actually going to stop working now. |
| 01:04 |
|
jcamins |
For a bit. |
| 01:09 |
|
wajasu |
io had to add NamedVirtualHost: 8080 and Listen:8080 to ports.conf to get the staff client to work for the .deb so i guess i must fail it. or is he going to gen a new one? |
| 01:09 |
|
jcamins_away |
wajasu: that has nothing to do with what you're testing. |
| 01:09 |
|
wajasu |
good. |
| 01:09 |
|
jcamins_away |
That is just the way packages work. |
| 01:09 |
|
eythian |
wajasu: normally people don't use 8080 for the packages |
| 01:10 |
|
jcamins_away |
If you want a non-standard Apache configuration, you need to configure it yourself. |
| 01:10 |
|
eythian |
if you want to use 8080, you have to know how to tell that to apache |
| 01:10 |
|
wajasu |
so where does the staff cleint default to these days? |
| 01:11 |
|
eythian |
:80 |
| 01:11 |
|
eythian |
but on a different virtual host |
| 01:11 |
|
wajasu |
its combined now? |
| 01:11 |
|
pastebot |
"mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "perl -wc" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/211 |
| 01:11 |
|
wajasu |
maybe its the warning about the overlap that threw me off. |
| 01:12 |
|
mtj |
does anyone know what thats about? ^^ |
| 01:12 |
|
eythian |
wajasu: you probably misconfigured something then, basically they end up on different hostnames. |
| 01:12 |
|
eythian |
assuming you set up /etc/koha-sites.conf correctly |
| 01:13 |
|
wajasu |
i didn't have koha-sites.conf or the DNS env vars stuff. |
| 01:13 |
|
mtj |
lots of 'Subroutine XXX redefined at C4/XXX.pm line XXX.' warns... |
| 01:13 |
|
eythian |
wajasu: yeah, that'll be why |
| 01:13 |
|
eythian |
I really need to make it ask those questions at install time. |
| 01:17 |
|
wajasu |
so i guess i'll just apply the patch to master and signoff as usual trusting his deb. |
| 01:19 |
|
mtj |
hmm, its seems to be all subs() in Reserves.pm have the weird 'redefined' warning :/ |
| 01:36 |
|
wajasu |
something with that Exporter? |
| 01:39 |
|
wajasu |
maybe the require Exporter; should be outside the BEGIN? like Search.pm has |
| 01:39 |
|
wajasu |
just grabbing at straws. |
| 01:43 |
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| 01:44 |
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mtj |
oooh, nice, weborange just corrected/updated their koha lists -> http://web.archiveorange.com/a[…]oha-community.org |
| 01:44 |
|
mtj |
Discussion list for the Koha Library system (Recent threads) koha.lists.katipo.co.nz |
| 01:44 |
|
oleonard |
Oh by the way, the owner of the Koha Live CD project on Sourceforge pulled the file |
| 01:44 |
|
oleonard |
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivecd/ |
| 01:44 |
|
eythian |
oh, good |
| 01:44 |
|
rgbv |
hi all |
| 01:45 |
|
mtj |
oleonard, awesome news |
| 01:46 |
|
mtj |
heya rgbv |
| 01:47 |
|
rangi |
wow oleonard is still around! |
| 01:47 |
|
oleonard |
Not still but again |
| 01:47 |
|
rangi |
ahh |
| 01:47 |
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| 01:48 |
|
mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:49 |
|
rgbv |
I want to add a span class to the status in the opac full bib view, looking for the right .tt to modify but I can't see it... |
| 01:49 |
|
oleonard |
Which status rgbv ? |
| 01:49 |
|
oleonard |
Editing the template isn't recommended, unless you're planning to submit a patch |
| 01:50 |
|
rgbv |
usually Available, On loan ... |
| 01:50 |
|
oleonard |
Is your goal to have a different style for each status? |
| 01:51 |
|
rgbv |
I want to use jquery to alter wording to , say On order for items that are on order |
| 01:52 |
|
oleonard |
rgbv, you should be able to do that by setting authorised values in the staff client |
| 01:52 |
|
rangi |
not really oleonard |
| 01:52 |
|
oleonard |
(although adding classes to that section would also be a worthwhile development) |
| 01:52 |
|
oleonard |
No, rangi? |
| 01:52 |
|
rangi |
because it needs to still be available, but say on order |
| 01:52 |
|
rangi |
ie they still want to be able to place holds on it |
| 01:53 |
|
oleonard |
http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-b[…]blionumber=269398 |
| 01:53 |
|
rangi |
if you use lost or one of those statuses with authorised values to mark it on order |
| 01:53 |
|
rangi |
then it cant have holds |
| 01:53 |
|
rangi |
and you can place a hold on that? |
| 01:53 |
|
oleonard |
Yes |
| 01:54 |
|
rangi |
cos that not for loan field |
| 01:54 |
|
rangi |
used to totally stop that |
| 01:54 |
|
* oleonard |
double-checks how we set it up |
| 01:55 |
|
oleonard |
If the NOT_LOAN authorised value has a negative value (in our this case, -1), it is available for holds |
| 01:55 |
|
rgbv |
ahhh |
| 01:55 |
|
rgbv |
let me test that :) |
| 01:56 |
|
rangi |
cool, that didnt used to happen, it used to be if it was non zero it was blocked for everything, i must have missed that change |
| 01:57 |
|
oleonard |
Yeah that was a pretty important feature for us to have |
| 01:59 |
|
rgbv |
great, that works a charm, you've made my day ;) |
| 01:59 |
|
oleonard |
Happy to have prevented an unnecessary template modification :) |
| 02:00 |
|
* oleonard |
still thinks we could toss in some more spans and classes there for customization anyway |
| 02:00 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 02:01 |
|
jcamins_away |
But note that -2 is a magic number. |
| 02:02 |
|
oleonard |
? |
| 02:02 |
|
jcamins_away |
for NOT_LOAN. |
| 02:02 |
|
jcamins_away |
-2 does something magical. |
| 02:03 |
|
jcamins_away |
I don't remember what. |
| 02:03 |
|
jcamins_away |
But I do remember that it will not work as you expect. |
| 02:06 |
|
oleonard |
Hmmm... Allows holds, allows checkout. |
| 02:07 |
|
* oleonard |
leaves again... can't do this late-night thing like the youngsters :P |
| 02:07 |
|
rangi |
-2 doesnt feature in Circulation.pm |
| 02:08 |
|
jcamins_away |
Lovely. The casting company has no idea when or where Shari is supposed to show up, but thinks it'll probably be in the morning. |
| 02:09 |
|
rangi |
helpful |
| 02:09 |
|
jcamins_away |
Especially if it's 6am out in Brooklyn. |
| 02:10 |
|
mtompset |
casting company? Is your wife an aspiring actress? |
| 02:10 |
|
jcamins_away |
mtompset: no, but she's been extra-ing. |
| 02:10 |
|
mtompset |
Ah... cool. |
| 02:11 |
|
* jcamins_away |
would not make a good extra. |
| 02:11 |
|
* jcamins_away |
expects professionalism from everyone he works with. |
| 02:12 |
|
jcamins_away |
Not knowing at 2200 hours if you they want you to leave for work at 0400 hours is something that only happens if you are dealing with *exceedingly* unprofessional individuals. |
| 02:12 |
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jcamins_away |
s/you they/they/ |
| 02:18 |
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| 02:18 |
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mib_4v1tbr |
. |
| 02:18 |
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| 02:22 |
|
eythian |
http://i.imgur.com/CMOGT.jpg |
| 02:23 |
|
eythian |
(it's apparently actually an ad for an e-book seller, but this'd be neat with free/pd/etc books) |
| 02:23 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 02:26 |
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jcamins_away |
, |
| 02:27 |
|
* jcamins_away |
leaves again, having contributed to the conversation. |
| 02:27 |
|
rangi |
heh |
| 02:41 |
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mtompset |
Cool link, eythian. |
| 03:43 |
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| 03:43 |
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Brooke_ |
o/ |
| 03:44 |
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rangi |
hi Brooke_ |
| 03:44 |
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Brooke_ |
kia ora |
| 03:47 |
|
eythian |
wow, you're on a jetstream connection. I didn't know they still existed. |
| 03:48 |
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mtompset |
jetstream connection? |
| 03:48 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Brooke_ |
| 03:49 |
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eythian |
It was a DSL brand by the major ISP here back in the early-mid 2000's. |
| 03:50 |
|
eythian |
Known for its blazing 128k down speeds and uncapped national traffic. |
| 03:50 |
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eythian |
Though that was a long time ago, I expect it's somewhat better now. |
| 03:51 |
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Brooke_ |
free interwebs ftw :D |
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| 04:33 |
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wajasu |
just set up apt-cacher-ng on my archlinux. booted my debian vm and configured sources.list with my apt-cacher-ng and passthru. apt-get update, and apt-get install koha-common. its pulling... |
| 04:33 |
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rangi |
Hehe I saw that email coming |
| 04:35 |
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wajasu |
done. now to try another vm build but pulling from that apt cache to see if its faster than debian.koha-community.org |
| 05:17 |
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| 05:23 |
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drojf |
cool, there is a live-cd fanbase |
| 05:29 |
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mtj |
hmm, the dselect thread is getting a little trolly |
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mtompset |
trolly? |
| 05:48 |
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mtompset |
mtj: How is the thread trolly? |
| 05:48 |
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mtompset |
I don't think there is anything terribly trolly. |
| 05:49 |
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mtompset |
drojf: They mostly seem to be in India. |
| 05:50 |
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mtompset |
Probably because of poor internet connectivity. |
| 05:50 |
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drojf |
from the reasoning it's more poor technical skills |
| 05:52 |
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mtompset |
But you don't gain technical skills unless you try. |
| 05:53 |
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mtompset |
Because of mtj's trolly comment, I decided against replying with why packages are better than a livecd. |
| 05:54 |
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magnuse |
kia ora #koha! |
| 05:54 |
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mtompset |
greetings, magnuse. |
| 05:54 |
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magnuse |
hiya mtompset |
| 05:54 |
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drojf |
that's right. but if you have an easy way that seems ok in a short term, you my stay with that for longer than you should instead of learning how it really works. that's one way to do it. |
| 05:54 |
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drojf |
hei magnuse |
| 05:54 |
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magnuse |
hi drojf |
| 05:55 |
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mtompset |
actually, though the maintainer of the named livecd still supports it. He doesn't release as often as Koha. |
| 05:55 |
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mtompset |
bug fixes slower = bad. :( |
| 05:56 |
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drojf |
3.8.2. sounds great until they use fines |
| 05:57 |
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mtompset |
download livecd 600+MB vs. packages 40+MB ... bad. |
| 05:57 |
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mtompset |
(yes, the first time they do packages, there will be 400+MB libraries, but still) |
| 05:59 |
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mtompset |
livecd supprt (limited to issuer/users of livecd) vs. packages (a wider group of people)... less support = bad. |
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magnuse |
o/ |
| 06:08 |
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druthb |
Hi, magnuse. :) |
| 06:10 |
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druthb |
Since cait isn't here to tell me to go to bed... guess i don't have to. :P |
| 06:11 |
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magnuse |
get some sleep druthb :-) |
| 06:11 |
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rangi |
magnuse: https://i.chzbgr.com/completes[…]il2nQm0Bb3XQ2.jpg |
| 06:11 |
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druthb |
@later tell cait :P 1 am and I'm still up.... |
| 06:11 |
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huginn |
druthb: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:12 |
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magnuse |
rangi: h**l yeah! |
| 06:12 |
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druthb |
Hi rangi. :) |
| 06:12 |
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magnuse |
that's a monument to commemorate some viking battle |
| 06:14 |
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magnuse |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverd_i_fjell |
| 06:15 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 06:26 |
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magnuse |
hehe that sure looks like a cool ils! |
| 06:27 |
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drojf |
i thought that would appeal to norwegians! ;) |
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mtompset |
bonjour, laurence et paul_p. :) |
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paul_p |
bonjour mtompset |
| 06:47 |
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laurence |
bonjour mtompset |
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| 06:53 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:53 |
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wahanui |
niihau, reiveune |
| 06:53 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, reiveune. ;) |
| 06:54 |
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reiveune |
salut mtompset |
| 06:54 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, sturmtruppen. |
| 06:54 |
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* mtompset |
high fives reiveune. :) |
| 06:56 |
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sturmtruppen |
hi everyone |
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magnuse |
kia ora cait! |
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cait |
hi magnuse :) |
| 06:59 |
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cait |
hi matts :) |
| 06:59 |
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matts |
hi ! |
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druthb |
Hi cait. |
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| 07:00 |
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* druthb |
hides |
| 07:00 |
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cait |
hm could have sworn I saw druthb |
| 07:00 |
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julian_m |
hello |
| 07:01 |
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druthb |
Hehe |
| 07:01 |
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cait |
hi julian_m |
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cait |
at night... it's a bit spooky hehe |
| 07:05 |
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* magnuse |
finds extracting marc records from a 2.2.x database dump file harder than expected |
| 07:06 |
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drojf |
magnuse: importing did not work? |
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| 07:15 |
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WaqarAzeem |
hi! someone know why Image is missing from patron page in v3.08. see here: http://i.imgur.com/l5oK6.png |
| 07:15 |
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francharb |
good morning #koha |
| 07:22 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, francharb. |
| 07:22 |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... Can template toolkit have concatentation errors?! |
| 07:22 |
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mtompset |
opac-detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-detail.tt line 748. |
| 07:23 |
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rangi |
warning, not error |
| 07:23 |
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rangi |
and yes it can |
| 07:23 |
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mtompset |
Though, I must admit to adding some code in that loops. |
| 07:23 |
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mtompset |
Yes, warning. Sorry. |
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rangi |
WaqarAzeem: does the user have the permission set? |
| 07:32 |
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magnuse |
drojf: yeah, i got it into mysql after a looong time, now there are encoding problems |
| 07:37 |
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* magnuse |
hates encodings |
| 07:40 |
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WaqarAzeem |
@rangi is there any specific right? btw i have set all the permission And i also have tired from kohaadmin. |
| 07:40 |
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huginn |
WaqarAzeem: downloading the Perl source |
| 07:42 |
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WaqarAzeem |
Is there any working online demo copy (nighly build) of v3.08 where can i check it. |
| 07:43 |
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mtompset |
magnuse: encoding problems? |
| 07:43 |
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magnuse |
mtompset: yeah, things like vård |
| 07:44 |
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mtompset |
That doesn't look like valid Norwegian. :) |
| 07:45 |
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magnuse |
nope :-) |
| 08:33 |
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* mtompset |
is going into a meeting. |
| 08:33 |
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mtompset |
Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. :) |
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mveron |
Hi #koha |
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mveron |
@later tell nengard the age restriction info in the manual is very clear. I have nothing to add or comment about it. Thank you very much. :-) |
| 09:17 |
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huginn |
mveron: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:17 |
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mveron |
nengard ++ |
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fredericd |
jcamins_away: drop me a line when you're available. Authority display is broken for UNIMARC in 3.8 |
| 10:42 |
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drojf |
clrh: the link to the documentation does not work in the english version of your drupal opac module posting. it works fine in the french version. |
| 10:45 |
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clrh |
thanks drojf I correct it :) |
| 10:45 |
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clrh |
fix |
| 10:45 |
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drojf |
:) |
| 10:46 |
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clrh |
done, thanks a lot drojf |
| 10:47 |
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drojf |
you're welcome :) |
| 10:48 |
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jcamins_away |
fredericd: in 3.8? |
| 10:48 |
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drojf |
magnuse: d'oh, that does not look nice |
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magnuse |
drojf: there is probably a proper way to fix it, but i took the short road and a did a lot of s/Â¥/å/g :-) |
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drojf |
hehe, i hope you caught everything |
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fredericd |
jcamins: yes in 3.8 |
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fredericd |
Several issues language codes support, broader/narrower forms, etc. |
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fredericd |
I will submit a patch, not impacting MARC21 |
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fredericd |
which bug number? |
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wahanui |
well, which bug number is it? |
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jcamins |
fredericd: could you file a new bug for it, so that the patches don't get lost? |
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jcamins |
And, any chance you could attach some sample authorities to that bug, so that I can sign off? |
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jcamins |
I tested with UNIMARC, but I created my own authorities. |
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jcamins |
Probably incorrectly. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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drojf |
hi mtompset. i was just looking at the remastersys website too ;) |
| 10:57 |
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mtompset |
It would seem that the person generating the live cd/dvds didn't keep looking. |
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mtompset |
This whole live cd/dvd thing has got me thinking about how much should the librarian user need to understand about the koha installation. |
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mtompset |
I'm torn between ease of use and focusing on koha training, and making sure they understand how to duplicate an installation. |
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drojf |
if an experienced person does not keep up to date with the software he uses to create these cds, how can he expect users of a livecd to do so with the cd later. |
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drojf |
it's fine for training, to have a look etc. if you are aware that it is a snapshot for just that |
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mtompset |
I don't think he points that out though. |
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drojf |
it does not seem like people understand that. it seems more like people think "yeah, it just works" and use it forever |
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mtompset |
And it would seem, based on the email I just read... that he thinks it is okay. |
| 11:04 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: well, *he* doesn't provide any support at all. |
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drojf |
and, yes, i think for a library to use a highly specialized software product, there needs to be someone with technical skills present. either on site or outside support. you cannot expect something like that to just work with zero knowledge. what are we all doing here? why are there companies providing support if it's just a few clicks? it's not the way it works and you would not expect that from other software products |
| 11:05 |
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drojf |
it's not like it is impossible to master koha for all day use. but you have to know that you have to work on it, not just pop a cd in a computer |
| 11:05 |
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magnuse |
well, we do expect that from desktop software... |
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magnuse |
so people need to understand that koha is not a simple desktop program |
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drojf |
yes, that is the point. it's not a browser or whatever. and even a browser is complicated for some people if they have little rechnical knowledge. but koha as a professional, sophisticated special purpose software is nothing for an enduser to just play with (but s/he could, if technical skills are present) |
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drojf |
i think that is something people expect because its free software. everybody can use it. but that does not mean everybody is able to use it and that seems hard to understand |
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drojf |
and trowing livecds at people is really not helping with that |
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mtompset |
jcamins: You're right he doesn't provide support. :( |
| 11:12 |
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mtompset |
We only have three paid support companies in India. |
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mtompset |
(on the list) |
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drojf |
mtompset: i suppose we also have a lot of libraries without money for that in india |
| 11:15 |
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drojf |
ok the "workshop and testing" thing is blown… "I know many college libraries in Kerala with above 50000 records successfully running on Koha Live CD." |
| 11:15 |
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drojf |
i should propose that to my library, we have less records |
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mtompset |
That's my point, drojf. That's NOT supposed to be the case. |
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* jcamins |
has nothing against using livecds that *work* in production. |
| 11:16 |
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jcamins |
But 100% of my experience with livecds has been negative. |
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jcamins |
(Koha livecds) |
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drojf |
i never tried to use a livecd in production. i could make some for our workshop :) |
| 11:17 |
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drojf |
instead of doing an installation workshop ;) just hand out the livecd and send everyone home |
| 11:18 |
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jcamins |
drojf: if you do that, *you* are answering all their questions about Zebra. |
| 11:19 |
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mtompset |
Now drojf! Actually, if the LiveCD is like the Ubuntu LiveCD and let's you actually install a proper standard installation, that wouldn't be so bad... but this doesn't seem to be the case. |
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drojf |
if the livecd would destroy itself after two months and make you either get a newer one or install koha from deb packages, that wouldn't be so bad |
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mtompset |
Actually, if the livecd installed on your computer as if you installed from packages, that would be good. ;) |
| 11:22 |
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mtompset |
Do the install, throw the CD away... boot normally into Koha. :) |
| 11:22 |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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drojf |
it could just display the up to date "install with packages" wiki page |
| 11:22 |
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drojf |
until you follow that |
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mtompset |
Greetings, cait. |
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drojf |
hi cait :) |
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jcamins |
I wonder if it would be possible to do a install-to-desktop livecd using packages. |
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mtompset |
Hypothetically, it should be. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: reasonably, I mean. |
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mtompset |
When I return to Canada, buy my dream machine, and *if* I can find financial partners, this would be something I'd like to test. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: you should test it on your netbook. :P |
| 11:30 |
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mtompset |
Uh, no. :P |
| 11:36 |
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mtompset |
drojf++ # love the humour. |
| 11:36 |
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mtompset |
Did you just notice the +1 in the mailing list? |
| 11:36 |
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drojf |
mtompset: so you are volunteering to be future livecd manager? |
| 11:36 |
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drojf |
i noticed |
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drojf |
also i noticed it said nothing about using it in production |
| 11:37 |
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mtompset |
Are you volunteering to make donations on my behalf to Wycliffe Germany? ;) |
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drojf |
mtompset: as an atheist, no :P |
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mtompset |
I can respect that. |
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drojf |
:) |
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mtompset |
What do you mean it didn't say anything about using it in production... "and so on" :P |
| 11:41 |
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drojf |
uh. you're right :( |
| 11:41 |
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mtompset |
Sometimes I am. :) |
| 11:42 |
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mtompset |
Actually... another pet project I'd like to look at in Koha on Windows. ;) |
| 11:42 |
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mtompset |
Though, I think one of the Chris' will advise me to abandon such madness. |
| 11:44 |
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drojf |
hm. i am quite happy that people have to consider a real OS to use koha. i would not want to give them back the idea that a server should run on windows |
| 11:45 |
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drojf |
also that would bring us a lot more google groups than we can handle |
| 11:46 |
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drojf |
apart from that, from what i have heard it is madness ;) |
| 11:52 |
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mtompset |
cpan all the way, baby. ;) |
| 11:52 |
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mtompset |
I know... React O/S... it's free and graphical. ;) |
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drojf |
it would probably make more sense for a free and open source library system to be available on non-debian-based linux distributions before more people fall in the battle with/against windows |
| 11:57 |
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drojf |
but if you insist on something even harder… your choice ;) |
| 11:58 |
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mtompset |
Actually, to be more realistic RPMs were higher on the list. |
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drojf |
i have a friend that loves opensuse and insists that all is very easy with the suse build system (or what it is called). no idea if that would help with koha |
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jcamins |
dcook uses Koha on OpenSuSE. |
| 12:01 |
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drojf |
we also started with open suse from a tarball, but i made it give us debian to use the packages |
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drojf |
made IT |
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drojf |
jcamins: but not building rpm packages? |
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mtompset |
I was hoping to aim at CentOS. :) |
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drojf |
mtompset: i know a library in my area that would be very happy |
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drojf |
they might end up with a debian after the workshop though :) |
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mtompset |
That's a future dream right now, drojf. :) |
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mtompset |
I just looked at Vil's website... he points to a third party's Ubuntu installation. :( |
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jcamins |
Who is Vil? |
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mtompset |
The guy pushing live cds. |
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mtompset |
vimal. |
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jcamins |
Vimal. |
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mtompset |
Sorry. |
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jcamins |
What do you mean? |
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jcamins |
(by "third party Ubuntu installation") |
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drojf |
i read that like "third party live cd", but maybe that was not intended |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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jcamins |
Good morning, oleonard. Long time, no see. |
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drojf |
hi oleonard |
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oleonard |
My sleep deficit wishes it was longer jcamins |
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drojf |
mtompset: did you come across source code of remastersys by any chance? it says it's GPL but the sf site is empty |
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mtompset |
not Koha's Ubuntu install instructions. |
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mtompset |
It's hidden: http://www.remastersys.com/repository/ |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... can't find the newer version! |
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drojf |
you can only search the forum if you have an account. i think i don't like it |
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jcamins |
drojf: https://launchpad.net/remastersys |
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drojf |
ah cool, thanks jcamins. ddg did not know that |
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jcamins |
drojf: nor did Google. |
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drojf |
where did you find it? |
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jcamins |
A forum posting. |
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mtompset |
as long as it wasn't a google group. ;) |
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jcamins |
wtf? |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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drojf |
oleonard: nice answer on the list, and i suppose we will not here anything more now |
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drojf |
good morning tcohen |
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oleonard |
If anyone didn't hear about it last night, I asked the owner of that Sourceforge Koha Live CD to take down the download and they did |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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drojf |
i thought jcamins send the email *confused* |
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drojf |
oh but you posted a comment i think |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I sent an e-mail. |
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oleonard |
I sent a message through Sourceforge which the owner replied to |
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drojf |
jcamins++ |
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drojf |
oleonard++ |
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* oleonard |
credits jcamins' email in which kneecap-breaking was insinuated |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
what did i miss? :) |
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cait |
have no idea what you all are talking about :) |
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oleonard |
cait: Yesterday we were discussing a Koha Live CD available on Sourceforge which was based on 3.2 or something old like that |
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drojf |
we express our love for outdated livecds mainly |
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cait |
aah |
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cait |
I see :) |
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magnuse |
and there was talk of starting a googlegroup to celebrate the dissemination of outdated kohas on plastic discs :-) |
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drojf |
i propose to have the google group run from a livecd |
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drojf |
you could ask questions without internet access |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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drojf |
and receive about the same amount of useful answers |
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cait |
lol |
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drojf |
but i think we are getting blind sided by ignorance, enough ranting |
| 13:08 |
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mtompset |
jcamins++ |
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mtompset |
oleonard++ |
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mtompset |
magnuse: No, no... 8" floppies. ;) |
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cait |
stone tables? |
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mtompset |
Oh yes! yes! Like the fisher price my first record player! |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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magnuse |
and it's not even friday ;-) |
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* jcamins |
is trying to write a Bibliographer's Note. That makes it something like Friday. |
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mtompset |
http://youtu.be/6sE57VdMjFA (Starwards My First Record Player Fisher Price) |
| 13:12 |
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mtompset |
Starwars... DOH! |
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magnuse |
and what, prey tell, is a Bibliographer's Note? |
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jcamins |
magnuse: the note one puts at the beginning of a bibliography to explain *why* weird decisions were made. |
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fredericd |
jcamins: Can you show me a working 3.8 Koha, with MARC21 authority hierachies? |
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magnuse |
jcamins: ah. and writing that turns any day into a pizzaday? cool! |
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jcamins |
fredericd: MARC21 authority hierarchies aren't in 3.8. |
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jcamins |
Just master. |
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cait |
fredericd: have you seen the screenshot and my examples on the bug? |
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fredericd |
cait: no |
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cait |
I couldn't attach records because of the linking, but I noted how I catelogued them in the message |
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jcamins |
fredericd: where exactly are you seeing problems in 3.8? |
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fredericd |
Parallel forms are not displayed, with language name in front of heading |
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fredericd |
Used for and See also are inverted |
| 13:20 |
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fredericd |
Semantic relation are not displayed anymore: BT/NT |
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fredericd |
What is the bug number for current work on authorities on master? |
| 13:22 |
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jcamins |
There are a lot of bugs. Bug 8204 is also in 3.8, but also related are bug 8210 and bug 8523. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8204 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Headings in OPAC bib details should link to authority record |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC |
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cait |
fredericd: oh :( hope it's all solvable |
| 13:25 |
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jcamins |
You might also take a look at bug 7943. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search |
| 13:25 |
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nengard |
slef around? |
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nengard |
does anyone here know of a tool that will add closed captions to videos on the web? or that will show text as a video is being watched? |
| 13:28 |
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fredericd |
So it does mean I have to work on master, since I will have to edit code/templates that are in master and not in 3.8.x |
| 13:29 |
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fredericd |
Is there also pending patch? not yet pushed on master? |
| 13:29 |
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jcamins |
fredericd: it depends what the problem is, but probably. |
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jcamins |
I think everything has been pushed. |
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jcamins |
I'll check. |
| 13:30 |
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jcamins |
Yes, everything authority-related has been pushed. |
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fredericd |
I have to modify C4::AuthoritiesMarc.pm, authorities-search-results.inc, and opac-auth-detail.tt |
| 13:30 |
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fredericd |
ok, I continue on master |
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jcamins |
I suspect most of the problem is in C4::AuthoritiesMarc. |
| 13:32 |
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fredericd |
yes, sometime, the hashref sent to template is not compte, no heading for example... |
| 13:32 |
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fredericd |
not complete |
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slef |
nengard: hi. I don't know of a subtitling tool. I'm pretty sure mplayer can play subtitle files. |
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* wajasu |
hurray! got my apt-cacher-nq running, and my .deb downloads are fast (4minutes to build a deb VM ,koha-common and perl deps) |
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nengard |
thanks slef |
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nengard |
I have a person who is hard of hearing asking for this for my tutorial videos |
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nengard |
and I have over 100 of them so I can't transcribe them to text now |
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slef |
the evil youtube has CC doesn't it? No idea how well it performs or how you use it. |
| 13:33 |
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nengard |
it does and it's not that great |
| 13:33 |
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nengard |
but I might point to that |
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slef |
nengard: aha, mplayer has an option -sub <subtitlefile1,subtitlefile2,...> |
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jcamins |
nengard: Jubler? http://www.jubler.org/ |
| 13:34 |
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jcamins |
Not sure if that'll do what you want. |
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slef |
nengard: I'm trying to find the file format |
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slef |
hmm, there's also a -vobsub file option |
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drojf |
nengard: so you want to display subtitles or create them? |
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drojf |
s/so/do/ |
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nengard |
either or ? or both |
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nengard |
whatever this person needs to be able to watch the videos and "hear" them |
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jcamins |
I'm not certain, but I'd think you'd need to write the subtitles first, which would require them to be transcribed no matter how the subtitles are delivered. |
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drojf |
you can display subtitles in html5 <track> element. it's not really finished and browsers do it all differently or not at all, but there are javascript polyfills that work. i had a patch to do that in koha but i think that died with my git. i used http://www.delphiki.com/html5/playr/. anyway you would have to create the subtitles first |
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drojf |
(and have video that works with html5 video probably) |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #865 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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slef |
nengard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubStation_Alpha looks like a better bet than VOB files. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8585 follow-up Passing syspref to template <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]294489b633cfb5853> / Bug 8585 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a11a0cd153ee78e32> / Bug 8585 : Add System Preference to specify Holds to Pull List Start Date <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=comm |
| 13:45 |
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nengard |
so it looks like all the options available require me to write the subtitles |
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nengard |
nothing that can try to guess them ? like closed captioning |
| 13:45 |
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nengard |
i need to restart ? I'll brb |
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drojf |
closed captioning guesses the text in the video? |
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slef |
drojf: no |
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drojf |
i would have been surprised :) |
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slef |
well maybe youtube's might |
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slef |
As I understand it, live TV CC has a control human repeating what is said in the video to a text recognition software trained on them. |
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drojf |
yes that would make sense |
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jcamins |
slef: I think they also have a special type of hardware speech recognizer card. |
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oleonard |
We call that a protocol droid nowadays |
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drojf |
a lot to try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]ognition_in_Linux |
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slef |
http://charlieswinbourne.com/2[…]ople-any-favours/ |
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nengard |
back |
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slef |
nengard: <drojf> closed captioning guesses the text in the video? |
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nengard |
yes |
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slef |
Where? |
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slef |
as in, whose closed captioning? |
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nengard |
that's what i always thought |
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nengard |
the closed captioning on our local news is pretty crap |
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slef |
http://charlieswinbourne.com/2[…]ople-any-favours/ includes "the method by which subtitles are created" |
| 13:50 |
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nengard |
so i just figured it was a computer |
| 13:50 |
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slef |
which is my understanding of how they're done in the UK |
| 13:51 |
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slef |
"made either by a stenographer typing what’s been said onto a phonetic keyboard as they listen to a show, or by speech recognition, where dialogue is repeated more clearly into a microphone during a programme, with a computer automatically recognising the words" |
| 13:51 |
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slef |
live stuff like news, they have to try to do live |
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slef |
Recorded shows are usually done by typing, maybe using stenography or recognition as a start. |
| 13:52 |
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nengard |
okay |
| 13:52 |
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nengard |
so i'm screwed |
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slef |
To be honest, when I've done transcripts, it's almost better to start from scratch with a player that does an easy backskip. |
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drojf |
nengard: maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]cognition_Engines or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]tware#Open_Source but from my experience (with a closed, commercial product) you have to train these things a lot |
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* jcamins |
wonders briefly whether some of the errors in recorded shows might not be due to steganography rather than stenography. :D |
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drojf |
lol jcamins |
| 13:53 |
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slef |
I still love "arch bitch of Canterbury" |
| 13:54 |
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slef |
nengard: depends who's asking, but here we'd have to take reasonable steps to provide subtitles or transcripts. |
| 13:54 |
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slef |
nengard: expecting 100 videos to be done immediately isn't reasonable, but we'd need to do something. |
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wajasu |
my favorite contradiction of bisness requirements: a) make website more accessible b) install captcha to prevent machines from spamming. thus handicapped use machines to aid in using the web, and have difficulty in accessing sites. |
| 13:55 |
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slef |
nengard: I'd love to help but we're still working on kohacon12 videos :-/ |
| 13:55 |
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nengard |
slef no one expects it to be done immediately - but i do a video each week |
| 13:55 |
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nengard |
so goingthrough the backlog and doing the new videos ? i'd have no time for any other work |
| 13:56 |
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slef |
nengard: do you work from a script? |
| 13:56 |
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nengard |
heck no |
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nengard |
I suck at reading/referring to scripts |
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slef |
me too... but I also suck at talking without a script... you may have noticed this ;) |
| 13:57 |
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nengard |
hehe |
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nengard |
I did not notice |
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slef |
nengard: so slow down to a video a fortnight and use the off-weeks to transcribe? |
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nengard |
i actually don't like listening to people reading from a script |
| 13:58 |
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slef |
but it's an annoying situation |
| 13:58 |
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nengard |
i like people just talking to me even if they have to stop and think |
| 13:58 |
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slef |
oh some people are good at reading scripts |
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slef |
they used to be radio presenters |
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slef |
now we prefer celebrities |
| 13:58 |
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slef |
bleah |
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slef |
wajasu: captcha doesn't prevent spamming. I think I'll go to lunch rather than rant at you ;) bbl |
| 13:58 |
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jcamins |
slef: I think that was the point. |
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wajasu |
i was thinking we should write a script with Test::WWW:Mechanize to walk the pages of the entire site, and take a snapshot (as png or such). |
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jcamins |
wajasu: that wouldn't work because WWW::Mechanize does not render anything. |
| 14:01 |
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wajasu |
so folks have images for slides, and videos, and we can refer to them in tests. |
| 14:02 |
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wajasu |
well, then use whatever tool that does. |
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drojf |
nengard: there is a linguistics tool called "ELAN" for transcribing field recordings. it has a window showing the video and also shows you the wave of the audio. i never got the wave part to work on linux but have not tried in a while. there is also a windows version. i don't remember what export file options you have. http://tla.mpi.nl/tools/tla-tools/elan/ |
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drojf |
you might also search the web for "fansubbing software" or something similar. |
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jcamins |
Grr. |
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jcamins |
I'm having trouble with this sentence. |
| 14:40 |
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jcamins |
Can anyone think of a synonym for gestalt that doesn't sound snooty? |
| 14:43 |
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cait |
isn't gestalt a german word? |
| 14:43 |
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drojf |
it doesn't sound snooty in german ;) |
| 14:43 |
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drojf |
heh |
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* cait |
nods |
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cait |
what is your sentence? |
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jcamins |
cait: I'm in the midst of rewriting it. |
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cait |
shape, figure, form, build, design, likeness, stature |
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cait |
coherent perception :P |
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cait |
says leo |
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jcamins |
Right, it means exactly what I want. |
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cait |
hm? |
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* wajasu |
its interesting that Gestalt Therapy was developed by Fritz Perls. "perls! get it! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #865: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/865/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* mtompset: Bug 8737 - Incorrect icon at login in staff client |
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* dcook: Bug 8585 : Add System Preference to specify Holds to Pull List Start Date |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8737 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect icon at login in staff client |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8585 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add System Preference to specify Holds to Pull List Start Date |
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* mtompset |
feels the trickling patches love. :) |
| 14:53 |
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jcamins |
"In contrast to the first section, the second section's focus is the flourishing of popular interest in gardening, a gestalt that would be obscured by pagination formulæ." |
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* magnuse |
waves to wizzyrea and trea |
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trea |
magnuse greetings! |
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magnuse |
\o/ |
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mtompset |
\/o\ |
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jcamins |
cait: ^^ my use of "gestalt" |
| 14:55 |
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jcamins |
I couldn't find a way to get rid of it. |
| 14:55 |
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mtompset |
O that is dumb. :( |
| 14:55 |
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mtompset |
/o\ |
| 14:55 |
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mtompset |
Sort of. |
| 14:55 |
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cait |
aha |
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cait |
sounds... really interesting? |
| 14:56 |
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jcamins |
cait: not really. |
| 14:56 |
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magnuse |
or weird? |
| 14:56 |
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wahanui |
i guess weird is normal after a while :) |
| 14:56 |
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jcamins |
Mass culture is not really my thing. |
| 14:56 |
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* magnuse |
ducks |
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wizzyrea |
hi peeps :) |
| 14:56 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, wizzyrea. |
| 14:56 |
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magnuse |
hiya wizzyrea |
| 14:56 |
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jcamins |
But can anyone see how to remove "gestalt" from that sentence without losing the meaning? |
| 14:56 |
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magnuse |
phenomenon? |
| 14:56 |
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cait |
I am not sure I get the meaning |
| 14:56 |
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mtompset |
clarity? |
| 14:56 |
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* magnuse |
neither |
| 14:57 |
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jcamins |
The second section consists of 150 books which are entirely uninteresting. |
| 14:57 |
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cait |
not sure your client woud like oyu writing it like that |
| 14:58 |
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jcamins |
I am making the rather weak claim that when you look at *all* 150 books, something interesting appears. |
| 14:58 |
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jcamins |
The only word I know of that means "a whole greater than the sum of its parts" is "gestalt." |
| 14:59 |
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cait |
hm |
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wizzyrea |
wow that's a weird problem - returning items in dropbox mode and it erases the fine, but leaves no record of it? |
| 15:01 |
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jcamins |
See? A very problematic sentence. |
| 15:01 |
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jcamins |
I keep on ending up back where I started. |
| 15:02 |
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mtompset |
What is wrong with gestalt? |
| 15:02 |
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cait |
hm rcord like? |
| 15:02 |
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wizzyrea |
record like in accountlines |
| 15:02 |
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cait |
ah |
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jcamins |
mtompset: it sounds snooty?\ |
| 15:02 |
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cait |
it just deletes the liine? |
| 15:02 |
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cait |
I think it used to be like that.. because you pretend the find never happened |
| 15:02 |
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cait |
probably |
| 15:02 |
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cait |
so waiving or paying it would be not right |
| 15:03 |
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wizzyrea |
well, this was for an item tht was several days overdue |
| 15:03 |
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wizzyrea |
it should only erase one day, not the whole fine? |
| 15:03 |
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* wizzyrea |
goes to consult the bug db |
| 15:03 |
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cait |
hm |
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mtompset |
Sounds like a conditional failure? |
| 15:03 |
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jcamins |
Isn't there a bug about dropbox erasing all fines? |
| 15:03 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, it does |
| 15:03 |
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wizzyrea |
bug 8338 |
| 15:03 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8338 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , fines not cleared with dropbox mode |
| 15:04 |
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wizzyrea |
but we aren't on 3.8 |
| 15:04 |
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jcamins |
I thought there was an older bug report. |
| 15:04 |
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wizzyrea |
some of this stuff on bug 5644 sounds about right too |
| 15:04 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5644 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date |
| 15:06 |
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tcohen |
any good sould wanting to test bug 8800 so it is pushed soon? |
| 15:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. :) |
| 15:08 |
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tcohen |
greetings mtompset |
| 15:09 |
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tcohen |
only with 8800 we got our due dates set properly |
| 15:11 |
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mtompset |
Hey, where is our friend, oleonard? |
| 15:12 |
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jcamins |
Well, I sent it with the word "gestalt" in the introduction. |
| 15:13 |
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mtompset |
If whoever doesn't like it, then you can worry about revising it. |
| 15:13 |
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drojf |
jcamins: if it's exactly what you want to say i see no problem with that |
| 15:13 |
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drojf |
but i'm not really with the use of that word in english so i have no feeling for it |
| 15:13 |
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drojf |
not really familiar |
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tcohen |
conductism? |
| 15:14 |
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jcamins |
drojf: yeah. I try very hard to *not* write like everyone else who writes like me (it sounds absurd, but it isn't), but sometimes borrowed words really are the best option. |
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mtompset |
who is everyone else who writes like you? |
| 15:19 |
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mtompset |
who? |
| 15:19 |
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mtompset |
Good wahanui didn't learn that. |
| 15:19 |
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mtompset |
who is everyone else who writes like you, jcamins? |
| 15:21 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: people who read too much academese. |
| 15:22 |
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jcamins |
Also, people who use the words "gestalt" and "zeitgeist" in conversation. |
| 15:22 |
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jcamins |
(and don't speak German!) |
| 15:24 |
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jcamins |
That set of people tends to overlap with the set of people who use "i.e." and "e.g." correctly, and are bothered when others do not. |
| 15:26 |
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cait |
jcamins: I can't remember using that words in conversations |
| 15:26 |
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wajasu |
lol :) |
| 15:26 |
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jcamins |
cait: apparently you doubly don't write like me. :P |
| 15:27 |
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cait |
it seems likely |
| 15:27 |
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cait |
couldn't you use the words you used to describe to us? |
| 15:28 |
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cait |
that the 150 book shave to be taken as a collection and looked at altogether to grasp their meaningfulness (fill in better word here) |
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jcamins |
I was not having any luck communicating that. |
| 15:29 |
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* wajasu |
likes my apt-cacher-ng. my debian preseed builds pull from it just fine. no need to slam kc.org |
| 15:29 |
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drojf |
funny since i wrote "for example" instead of "e.g." for the first time ever i think (and to my own surprise) somewhere here in the last days. |
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jcamins |
It was coming across -- not inaccurately -- as a negative comment on the materials. |
| 15:30 |
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cait |
hm |
| 15:30 |
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koyauni |
jcamins, hi, back to our discussion last night on ICU this guys says he has got it to work, http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]nuary/022270.html |
| 15:30 |
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cait |
while every piece of the collection is <someting postitive> the real interesting stuff begins when... ? :P |
| 15:30 |
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jcamins |
Yes, many people have gotten it to work. |
| 15:30 |
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cait |
ok, I am not helping |
| 15:30 |
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* wajasu |
visions of "Did you mean this book? (You stupid user)" |
| 15:31 |
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jcamins |
lol |
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koyauni |
hahah |
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* wajasu |
and I'm going to fine you another $10.00 just being so. |
| 15:32 |
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koyauni |
well you guys are involve with this application why a vital function such as this should be so painful :) |
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jcamins |
koyauni: the reason it's difficult is that no one has been paid to make it 100% foolproof yet. |
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drojf |
or volunteered their time |
| 15:34 |
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koyauni |
I am working to get Koha to google summer code so we can get people to work on part of |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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koyauni |
the guy provide a link which is not active any more, what do you think he wanted other users to apply |
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jcamins |
koyauni: this: http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]2150b6234bb8c7dbf |
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mtompset |
Well, have a good day (24 hour period), everyone. |
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koyauni |
thanks, in the xml file it says icu_chain locale="fr-FR" do I have to change this to Arabic |
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jcamins |
I do not know. |
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drojf |
koyauni: try 'yaz-icu -p l' to see what locales are available |
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drojf |
koyauni: also try 'man yaz-icu' for more information |
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koyauni |
thanks let me check these |
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koyauni |
this guy says that > yaz-icu is installed from the indexdata repository. |
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koyauni |
how do I do this please |
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drojf |
this information is probably from a time when also zebra was installed from the ID repo. |
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drojf |
it should be in the debian repositories |
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koyauni |
when I run yaz-icu -p l -bash: yaz-icu: command not found |
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drojf |
if you have not installed yaz-icu then it won't work |
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koyauni |
can I install it now |
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drojf |
i don't see why not |
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koyauni |
can you please tell the command |
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koyauni |
I have Debian 6 |
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drojf |
the same you used to install koha-common |
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drojf |
only with the package name changed |
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drojf |
apt.get install yaz-icu |
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drojf |
apt-get install yaz-icu |
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koyauni |
did not like it apt.get install yaz-icu -bash: apt.get: command not found |
| 16:13 |
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koyauni |
now worked and there is ar_IQ |
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drojf |
then i guess you shoukd put that in your file |
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koyauni |
can I have several local? |
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koyauni |
I do not see any Kurdish ku-KU |
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drojf |
i suppose you would use one <icu_chain locale> section per locale you want to use |
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drojf |
but it's just a guess |
| 16:18 |
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drojf |
you might want to start with one and get that working before you try more |
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koyauni |
so can I just copy that section and repeat that then |
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jcamins |
koyauni: we don't know. No one has tried. |
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jcamins |
I would suggest you get it working at all before you worry about trying something new. |
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drojf |
as i said, i dont know. do it for one locale first to see if it works |
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drojf |
it will make finding problems easier |
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koyauni |
I am will be tester here, if works, I will post the instruction |
| 16:23 |
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koyauni |
lets try with one local first |
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wajasu |
mtj: i was thinking of testing 8253. i will build a 3.6 environment, generate a fine. move to master environment, run updatedatabase.pl. see fines doubled, THEN do it all with your patch on master. |
| 16:29 |
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koyauni |
in this t.idx file in first paragraph |
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koyauni |
http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]2150b6234bb8c7dbf |
| 16:29 |
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koyauni |
the guy has two set of firstinfield 1, one commented and one not, do you think he has made mistake |
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drojf |
i only see it commented in that file |
| 16:30 |
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drojf |
oh no |
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drojf |
it its probably about the order. but i dont know |
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koyauni |
in next paragraph it is commented again |
| 16:32 |
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drojf |
well, i have no idea what that line does. what do you think? |
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koyauni |
first in field 1, it means data in the field maybe |
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drojf |
and do you think it is needed for icu? |
| 16:34 |
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koyauni |
I leave it there and if it does not work I will comment that and try again |
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drojf |
good idea |
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wizzyrea |
bug 8859 makes me laugh. |
| 16:41 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8859 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item level holds not trapped if circ rules for item type are set to 'no holds allowed' |
| 16:41 |
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wizzyrea |
in a |
| 16:41 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 123 |
| 16:41 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 16:41 |
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wizzyrea |
kind of way. |
| 16:42 |
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wizzyrea |
we should probably just assume that every black or white choice we put into Koha should have an override. |
| 16:42 |
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wizzyrea |
for the properly privileged user. |
| 16:42 |
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koyauni |
what does he try to say here , Using root the rebuild_zebra.pl script is run first with -a and then with -b (I don't know if this was necessary). |
| 16:43 |
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drojf |
koyauni: who are you talking about? |
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koyauni |
drojf: |
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drojf |
also, all your instructions are really old. reindex your files with the package commands |
| 16:44 |
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drojf |
and never run rebuild_zebra as root, it will screw up permissions |
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drojf |
never run it at all, use koha-rebuild-zebra |
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koyauni |
I need to refurbish that and I am doing it, what will be common command |
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koyauni |
sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v library |
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drojf |
looks good |
| 16:49 |
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koyauni |
Nop, search stop working http://library.koyauniversity.org/ |
| 16:50 |
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koyauni |
last step he says restart the server, what does that mean? |
| 16:51 |
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drojf |
restart zebra i suppose |
| 16:51 |
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koyauni |
I did this sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart |
| 16:51 |
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drojf |
koha-restart-zebra |
| 17:01 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8739 follow-up fixing perlcritic error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6c7ba51d92656bcd4> / Bug 8739 - Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7a7fcae225031eb24> |
| 17:04 |
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koyauni |
it does not work, no HOPE! |
| 17:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #866: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/866/ |
| 17:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8744: Thesaurus in authorities should not lock fields |
| 17:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
* kyle: Bug 8759 - Add labels for library and sorting on opac advanced search |
| 17:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
* dcook: Bug 8454 - Holds to Pull : Show pull list on load. Otherwise, it looks like the pull list is empty. |
| 17:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
* dcook: Bug 8454 - Holds to Pull : Show pull list on load. Otherwise, it looks like the pull list is empty. |
| 17:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
* mtj: Bug 7589 - tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates |
| 17:05 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8744 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Thesaurus in authorities should not lock fields |
| 17:05 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add labels for library and sorting on opac advanced search |
| 17:05 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8454 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Holds to Pull : Show pull list on load. Otherwise, it looks like the pull list is empty. |
| 17:05 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7589 blocker, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates |
| 17:05 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #867 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #864 1 day 0 hr ago) |
| 17:06 |
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tcohen |
wajasu, can u elaborate on your comment for bug 8773? |
| 17:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup |
| 17:06 |
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tcohen |
(the respawn until zebradb is initialized) |
| 17:08 |
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koyauni |
drojf what this can be in common pack command Using root the rebuild_zebra.pl script is run first with -a and then with > -b (I don't know if this was necessary). |
| 17:09 |
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jcamins |
koyauni: that was koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v library |
| 17:09 |
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koyauni |
well I did that and still does not work :( |
| 17:10 |
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jcamins |
koyauni: It would seem the instructions do not work anymore. |
| 17:11 |
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jcamins |
They are quite old. |
| 17:18 |
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koyauni |
I refurbish that per this one http://kl1p.com/koyauni |
| 17:18 |
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koyauni |
is it still old? |
| 17:19 |
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jcamins |
Yes, instructions from 2010 are old. |
| 17:20 |
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koyauni |
then we need to work hard to find out how to fix this |
| 17:22 |
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drojf |
what do you suggest to find out how to make it work? |
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| 17:22 |
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Morthland1 |
Hey, is there a way to add custom fields for patron data? |
| 17:23 |
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jcamins |
Morthland1: yes. Enable extended patron attributes. |
| 17:23 |
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jcamins |
(that's a syspref) |
| 17:23 |
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Morthland1 |
Allright. |
| 17:25 |
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Morthland1 |
And then where do I add them? |
| 17:25 |
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wajasu |
tcohen: 8773 - about the indexer respawn? |
| 17:25 |
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jcamins |
Morthland1: Administration -> Patron attribute types |
| 17:26 |
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Morthland1 |
Thanks |
| 17:26 |
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tcohen |
yeap |
| 17:27 |
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tcohen |
do u think there shuld be a follow up that inits the zebradb on koha-create? |
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| 17:29 |
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koyauni |
Drojf, I think the whole Zebra indexing should only work with UTF-8 for any records it is entered despite the language |
| 17:29 |
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wajasu |
tcohen: it might be worth it. my VM builder builds without a hitch, and everything is running out of the box. but i would hate that if left alone, the respawning would just fill up disk (though maybe its being rotated), and cpu. thinking of vendors hosting in VPS servers here. |
| 17:30 |
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* oleonard |
waves |
| 17:30 |
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koyauni |
what is Koha can integrate a google search API instead of Zebra |
| 17:30 |
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tcohen |
hi oleonard |
| 17:30 |
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tcohen |
shh, SolR |
| 17:31 |
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jcamins |
koyauni: someone would have to implement any changes to Koha. |
| 17:32 |
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wajasu |
tcohen: it is hard for one to figure out why the respawn happens, and witht he ease of creating db instances... I am only recalling all this from the Tamil testing. |
| 17:34 |
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tcohen |
oh, when I tested I didn't notice the respawn thing |
| 17:34 |
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tcohen |
maybe an old version of tamil code? |
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| 17:34 |
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dcook |
Morning #koha |
| 17:35 |
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wajasu |
i just put a note so when you try again just look in the log right after install. i can't remember with all the retesting of various bugs these days. |
| 17:36 |
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tcohen |
ok, if it emerges I'll look for patching it |
| 17:36 |
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wajasu |
great |
| 17:36 |
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oleonard |
Hi dcook |
| 17:36 |
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tcohen |
as soon as I finish our dspace upgrade i'll be trying to roll our own .debs |
| 17:37 |
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dcook |
hey oleonard |
| 17:37 |
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wahanui |
oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 17:37 |
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tcohen |
for koha-common (for internal use) with these patches applied for further testing |
| 17:39 |
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koyauni |
jcamins: see what it says the release note of 3.8 http://koha-community.org/koha-3-8-0-released/ search for ICU |
| 17:39 |
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wajasu |
tcohen: i finally got apt-cacher-ng installed and my VM builder builds koha VM in 4minutes. so i can test things like this more quickly. |
| 17:39 |
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tcohen |
is that a mirroring tool? |
| 17:40 |
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dcook |
(By chance, has anyone tried applying bug 8261. Git bz seems to refuse to delete sysprefs-admin-search.inc. Is this just an issue on my end?) |
| 17:40 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8261 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab |
| 17:40 |
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jcamins |
koyauni: did it work for you out of the box? |
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| 17:41 |
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drojf |
koyauni: do you seriuosly suggest to complete rewrite of search based on you having problems with icu? others have done it before, if it is too much work to fiddle around with that for a few days until it works, how would you rewrite the complete search? |
| 17:41 |
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Morthland |
How can I print Extended Attributes on patron cards? |
| 17:41 |
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tcohen |
wajasu: we have a local ubuntu mirror here, do u use libvirt + qemu for your VM? |
| 17:42 |
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jcamins |
Morthland: I'm not sure you can, but I've never tried. |
| 17:43 |
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oleonard |
Morthland, I think extended patron attributes were added after the patron card creator went in, so I'm guessing you can't, out of the box |
| 17:43 |
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drojf |
s/complete/completely/ |
| 17:43 |
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Morthland |
I think you are right. |
| 17:43 |
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Morthland |
I will have to work on a patch. |
| 17:43 |
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Morthland |
For now I will enter them in as another unused field |
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| 17:44 |
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Morthland |
Can I change field descriptions in the create-a-patron page? |
| 17:44 |
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oleonard |
Morthland, You can using jQuery. |
| 17:44 |
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oleonard |
jquery library? |
| 17:44 |
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wahanui |
i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 17:45 |
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oleonard |
I'll bet there's something there |
| 17:46 |
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Morthland |
Found the correct Item, how can I use the Jquery? |
| 17:46 |
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oleonard |
Instructions are at the top of that page Morthland |
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oleonard |
Morthland, do those instructions make sense? |
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santy |
Hi all again! Does anyone have an estimate of the distribution of linux distros used by libraries as platforms for Koha? Is Ubuntu the most used one? Or Debian? How about CentOS or even Redhat? |
| 17:50 |
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jcamins |
santy: 90%+ Debian or Ubuntu. |
| 17:51 |
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jcamins |
Beyond that, I don't really know. |
| 17:54 |
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wajasu |
tcohen: i use libvirt + qemu, with a bash script that does it all automatically with a preseed.cfg ( ubuntu can use preseed scripts too). apt-cacher-ng is fast and i put it in my preseed.fg as a proxy. |
| 17:54 |
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santy |
thanks jcamins! |
| 17:55 |
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tcohen |
wajasu, I use: ubuntu-vm-builder kvm precise --domain XXX etc |
| 17:57 |
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wajasu |
tcohen: my host os is archlinux, so i didn't have apt and friends. but my script runs on any distro. and i am about to test lxc containers. |
| 17:57 |
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tcohen |
sweet wajasu, if u publish it, just let me know |
| 17:58 |
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wajasu |
tcohen: i am cleaning it up. |
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Morthland |
I'm having a hard time employing this jquery |
| 18:00 |
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oleonard |
How are you doing it Morthland? |
| 18:00 |
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oleonard |
Morthland, use paste.koha-community.org to paste the contents of your IntranetUserJS preference |
| 18:01 |
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wajasu |
tcohen: i bumped my box to 12GB and /tmp is tmpfs (handling about half of mem) so i generate a new koha-debian-install.iso from the debian squeeze one. then copy it to /tmp. then build the kvm in /tmp with libvirt and that iso. it boots first time with web installer ready. |
| 18:01 |
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koyauni |
in /usr/share/idzebra-2.0/tab/ I found another icu.idx file, I think this is the one which need to be edited |
| 18:01 |
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pastebot |
"Morthland" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "$("#memberentry_library_manage" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/212 |
| 18:02 |
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koyauni |
at the top of it it says # ICU indexing for words and phrases.. Otherwise similar # to default.idx . |
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drojf |
koyauni: have you checked idzebra-2.0-doc? |
| 18:02 |
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drojf |
there is some documentation |
| 18:02 |
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Morthland |
Oh, I'mseeing my problem |
| 18:03 |
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bornie21 |
hey everyone is there a way of suspending users in Koha maybe because of misbehaviour or something |
| 18:03 |
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jcamins |
bornie21: yes, you can restrict users. |
| 18:03 |
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bornie21 |
how do I do that |
| 18:04 |
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jcamins |
bornie21: you click the "restricted" checkbox when editing the patron. |
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| 18:06 |
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bornie21 |
Ah thanx would you happen to know the database field that makes that possible. We want to restrict users with unpaid tuition based on balances from the accounts dpt |
| 18:06 |
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jcamins |
I'm not sure. debarred, maybe? |
| 18:07 |
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oleonard |
borrowers.debarred, and it takes a date |
| 18:07 |
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oleonard |
Set the date to far in the future if you don't want the restriction to expire |
| 18:07 |
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oleonard |
(at least in the latest version of Koha) |
| 18:08 |
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bornie21 |
Yeah I noticed the date data type and that confused me. btw we are using version 3.6 |
| 18:08 |
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bornie21 |
Was kinda of expecting a boolean value |
| 18:09 |
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oleonard |
The date type allows the "suspension in days" feature, where a patron can be restricted for a certain number of days as a consequence of having overdues |
| 18:09 |
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wajasu |
khall: on bug 8253 what if Mason's patch also has and description NOT like '%23:59' or some variation to handle hourly loans existing. |
| 18:09 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling |
| 18:11 |
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bornie21 |
k thanx:oleornard |
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| 18:12 |
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khall |
wajasu: that would cover the case I mentioned in comment 19. The only big problem is it doesn't cover libraries with already duplicated fines. However, I'd rather see his patch get in to prevent future upgraders from having problems. I can post my de-duplication script to the wiki for anyone to use who already has upgraded and has duplicated fines. |
| 18:12 |
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rangi |
its not for that |
| 18:12 |
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rangi |
yes, that patch fixes it for people upgrade to 3.8.x |
| 18:13 |
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rangi |
from before |
| 18:13 |
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santy |
does anyone know if koha packages are being supported in any way by Canonical? |
| 18:13 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #867: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/867/ |
| 18:13 |
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jenkins_koha |
* kyle: Bug 8739 - Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly |
| 18:13 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Paul Poulain: Bug 8739 follow-up fixing perlcritic error |
| 18:13 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8739 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly |
| 18:13 |
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cait |
morning rangi |
| 18:13 |
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rangi |
and anyone alreay upgraded, it wont affec |
| 18:13 |
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rangi |
t |
| 18:13 |
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jcamins |
santy: they are not, no. |
| 18:13 |
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rangi |
because it changes an updatedatabase.pl call earlier |
| 18:13 |
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rangi |
the sooner it can go in the better |
| 18:13 |
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rangi |
then a fix for those who have already upgraded and have duplicates can follow |
| 18:13 |
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wajasu |
ok: i am just about to test it now. |
| 18:14 |
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khall |
yeah, i have to agree. |
| 18:14 |
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santy |
and therefore they are not included by default in their repositories, right? |
| 18:14 |
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rangi |
khall: can you update the bug to say that please |
| 18:14 |
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pastebot |
"Morthland" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "$(memberentry.pl).ready(functi" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/213 |
| 18:15 |
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jcamins |
santy: Koha packages are not included in the default Ubuntu repos because they haven't been accepted (or submitted). |
| 18:15 |
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santy |
ok thanks |
| 18:15 |
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khall |
sure |
| 18:15 |
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Morthland |
What do I have wrong here? |
| 18:15 |
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jcamins |
santy: there is an official Koha apt repo. |
| 18:16 |
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wajasu |
i'll test it. then if khall tells me the bug for the post-upgrade emergency fix tool :) i'll test that as well, while i'm in the mood. |
| 18:16 |
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santy |
the one we use for the installation, right? |
| 18:17 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 18:17 |
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| 18:17 |
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khall |
wajasu: if you just take my patch and turn it into a stand alone script, that's pretty much it, but I can find my original and post it. |
| 18:17 |
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Morthland |
Fixed. |
| 18:18 |
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santy |
During development and bugfixing, everything gets implemented, fixed and tested on Debian/Ubuntu first, and later on other distros, including Centos and Redhat? |
| 18:18 |
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jcamins |
No. |
| 18:18 |
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jcamins |
Most developers use Debian or Ubuntu. |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
A couple use other OSes. |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
Any platform-specific bugs are found on Debian or Ubuntu long before they're noticed anywhere else. |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
However, there are very few platform-specific bugs. |
| 18:19 |
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wajasu |
khall: ok. paste your orignal and i'll write script. |
| 18:20 |
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pastebot |
"wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "please review my test plan before i start for 8253" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/214 |
| 18:20 |
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khall |
I think i've found it |
| 18:20 |
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jcamins |
There are no RPMs available for Koha, and most people give up before they manage to get Koha working on CentOS or Redhat. |
| 18:21 |
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santy |
So, there is a chance that platform specific bugs that only affect Redhat for example simply won't get fixed over time |
| 18:21 |
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wajasu |
khall: check my test plan to see if i'm on the right track. |
| 18:21 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 18:21 |
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jcamins |
Indeed, I would say it is almost a certainty that Redhat-only bugs are not getting fixed by any current Koha developer. |
| 18:22 |
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khall |
wajasu: that looks like a great test plan |
| 18:22 |
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santy |
okay |
| 18:23 |
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wajasu |
ok |
| 18:35 |
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rangi |
If it's in plain English its hardly rss anymore :) |
| 18:35 |
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koyauni |
drojf: I can not find this idzebra things |
| 18:36 |
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* oleonard |
loves everything about RSS except the fact that the best RSS reader comes with built-in spying |
| 18:36 |
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wizzyrea |
what's the best reader? |
| 18:37 |
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oleonard |
Google Reader |
| 18:38 |
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drojf |
koyauni: maybe you did not install it. apt-get install idzebra-2.0-doc or something like that |
| 18:38 |
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oleonard |
Alternatively, Google Reader is the worst RSS reader, except for all the others. |
| 18:39 |
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dcook |
lol |
| 18:39 |
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rangi |
I still like my cli ones |
| 18:39 |
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rangi |
But of the saas ones ur right |
| 18:40 |
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rangi |
It's the best of a bad bunch |
| 18:40 |
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magnuse |
http://www.newsbeuter.org/ anyone? |
| 18:40 |
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koyauni |
it is already installed idzebra-2.0-doc is already the newest version. |
| 19:13 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #191 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 19:20 |
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wajasu |
khall: just confirming. when do the dups show up? after running fines.pl in version 3.6 or after an upgrade to 3.8? |
| 19:20 |
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rangi |
only after an upgrade |
| 19:20 |
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wajasu |
ok. |
| 19:20 |
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rangi |
and running fines |
| 19:20 |
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wajasu |
ok. after running fines after and upgrade. |
| 19:21 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 19:21 |
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rangi |
and only if you had fines before in 3.6 |
| 19:22 |
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rangi |
hmm i now count 9 features pushed after feature freeze |
| 19:22 |
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rangi |
i hope this stops soon |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
yeah |
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mtj |
moring #koha, and hi paul |
| 19:34 |
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cait |
hi mtj and paul_p |
| 19:34 |
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mtj |
moring cait |
| 19:53 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #191: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/191/ |
| 19:53 |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8581: don't display parentheses when we don't have a type |
| 19:53 |
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jenkins_koha |
* mtompset: Bug 8350: warning in logs when searching for nonexistent ISBN |
| 19:53 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8581 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority display doesn't like GND records |
| 19:53 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding |
| 19:53 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #192 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #192: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/192/ |
| 20:31 |
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jenkins_koha |
* frederick.capovilla: Bug 8583 : Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from biblio edition page. |
| 20:31 |
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jenkins_koha |
* oleonard: Bug 8711 - alternating colors messed up on reports |
| 20:31 |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8744: Thesaurus in authorities should not lock fields |
| 20:31 |
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jenkins_koha |
* kyle: Bug 8739 - Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly |
| 20:31 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Paul Poulain: Bug 8739 follow-up fixing perlcritic error |
| 20:31 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8583 minor, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Stable , Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from the "Edit biblio record" page |
| 20:31 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8711 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , alternating colors messed up on reports |
| 20:31 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8744 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Thesaurus in authorities should not lock fields |
| 20:31 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8739 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
jcamins: I've made live CDs with different configurations that install like normal, it's not very hard. It would be possible to make one that installed the packages. The hard part is things that'll configure everything in a meaningful way. |
| 21:45 |
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jcamins |
eythian: yeah, but the current livecds don't do a good job of that either, and at least a livecd that installed Debian and the Koha packages would be vaguely supportable. |
| 21:47 |
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eythian |
yeah. Personally, I think energy is better spent making the regular configuration easier. |
| 21:47 |
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* jcamins |
agrees. |
| 21:47 |
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eythian |
Maybe I'll spend some time this week improving the debconf stuff. |
| 21:48 |
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eythian |
my current migration has a catalogue large enough that the import and rebuild takes an hour or two, giving me some downtime. |
| 21:48 |
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jcamins |
I was more going to suggest that the people who are so staunchly pro-livecd might create one that can be supported by those of us who answer questions. |
| 21:48 |
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jcamins |
eythian: ooh! What about enabling DOM and ICU in packages? :D |
| 21:49 |
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eythian |
that's different :) (and actually would be better after debconf so it can ask what you want by default, then you can use something like 'koha-enable-icu' or whatever to toggle it on an instance basis. |
| 21:49 |
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eythian |
) |
| 21:49 |
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eythian |
I don't really know enough about DOM/ICU to do those. |
| 21:49 |
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eythian |
I should do some experimenting. |
| 21:50 |
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jcamins |
If you go through Makefile.PL and make, it will generate all the needed configuration files. |
| 21:51 |
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eythian |
well, I'd need to know how to switch it on a live system. |
| 21:51 |
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jcamins |
Rerun the installer... |
| 21:51 |
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eythian |
I'll pretend you didn't say that :) |
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| 21:52 |
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jcamins |
No, actually, for ICU you just change a few lines in one file, if all the configuration files have been installed. |
| 21:52 |
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eythian |
yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 21:54 |
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jcamins |
All you change is etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx. |
| 21:54 |
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* cait |
nods |
| 21:54 |
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eythian |
yeah, that would be automatable. |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
not sure why it didn't work for koyauni |
| 21:54 |
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cait |
maybea missing file |
| 21:54 |
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jcamins |
cait: missing files. |
| 21:54 |
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eythian |
that's something else I'd like to implement: something that brings zebra up in debug mode so these problems are easier to see. |
| 21:56 |
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* jcamins |
thinks there should be a koha-shell command, too. |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
that'd be easy enough. |
| 21:57 |
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jcamins |
Useful for if you want to run link_bibs_to_authorities or the like. |
| 21:57 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 21:58 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #193 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:59 |
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wajasu |
mtj: ok bug 8253 is done. |
| 21:59 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8 |
| 22:02 |
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mtj |
thanks wajasu++ |
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wajasu |
mtj: your welcome. |
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* wajasu |
needs a break |
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| 22:22 |
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wajasu |
rangi: FYI in my notes for the 8253, http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=12667 i mention an ADD CONTRAINTS error. for 3.6.x to 3.8.x. just so you are aware. |
| 22:24 |
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rangi |
yep foreign key error |
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* rangi |
hopes no one answers the troll |
| 22:35 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #193: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/193/ |
| 22:35 |
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jenkins_koha |
mtj: Bug 7589 - tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates |
| 22:35 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7589 blocker, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates |
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* jcamins |
observes for the record that 380g of green beans are not very filling. |
