IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-18

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00:10 jcamins_mib wajasu: the route to my VPS went down in flames, so I'll respond once I check the logs and know if you figured out your problem.
00:10 jcamins_mib Okay, yeah, you can just go through the webinstaller as usual. No problems yet.
00:11 jcamins_mib But you are done for the day, so you can do that tomorrow. :)
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00:24 wajasu can he run  in the koha-common ?  maybe he is doing a post-installl step.
00:24 jcamins No, that's always done.
00:24 jcamins It has nothing to do with the patch.
00:25 jcamins It's something that should probably be changed, but in practice it's pretty uncommon to run koha-create, *then* an update, without ever using the instance.
00:28 wajasu i see.
00:28 wajasu thx
00:29 wajasu he has me cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil.   its got alot of stuff. (Moose and friends)
00:47 jcamins It sure does.
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02:05 wajasu i think its my VM builder script.  i haven't build one since early august, and maybe i am pulling a newer one from  sqeeze main  I'm trying squeeze-dev  main  now.
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03:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:13 mtompset wajasu: You there?
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03:23 phlunk hey, I am just wanting to make some small changes to the koha rss output, can anyone tell me the name of the format the .tt template files are made in? trying to find out if I can add some logic in there so I don't need to adjust anything but the templates.
03:40 mtj phlunk ->
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03:53 phlunk thanks mtj
03:54 mtj sweet azz bruv ;)
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04:13 mtompset Greetings, mtj cait etc. :)
04:13 cait hi mtompset
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04:53 * mtompset grumbles about a netbook with only 2GB of ram trying to operate like a workstation.
04:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
04:54 mtompset mtj, I got a reply from Colin and have just posted a bug 780. :)
04:54 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=780 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, problems with koha upgrade script
04:54 mtompset Oops... bug 8780
04:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8780 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
04:54 mtompset Now back to testing doc on Debian git.
05:02 phlunk tx again mtj and also, 5pm!! ;) cyas
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05:38 * magnuse waves
05:39 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. How are you?
05:39 mtompset I'm about to test a patch to lower DateTime::TimeZone version number to 1.20
05:40 cait morning magnuse :)
05:43 magnuse fine thanks, mtompset
05:43 magnuse kia ora cait!
05:53 cait :)
05:58 mtompset slides?
05:58 wahanui kf should be writing slides
05:58 mtompset Is this still accurate?
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06:06 magnuse hiya mbalmer
06:08 cait mtompset: yeah...
06:08 cait again.
06:08 cait but not today.
06:08 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer.
06:11 mbalmer good morning!
06:11 cait morning mbalmer
06:17 alex_a bonjour tout le monde !
06:18 alex_a cait, mbalmer, mtompset \o
06:18 mbalmer cpan on my machine says Data::Paginator is up to date (0.05), yet in the Koha about page, the Perl modules listing, it is listed in red as Not Installed.
06:18 cait hi alex_a :)
06:18 mbalmer bonjour alex_a
06:18 mbalmer same for a few other modules.
06:18 mtompset mblamer... there are sub-dependencies which cause this to be the case.
06:19 mtompset I don't know why you would need these optional sub-dependencies, but seemingly you do to get a version number out of it.
06:19 mtompset I can't remember how I tracked them down, but I remember doing so recently.
06:19 mbalmer well, perl Makefile.PL shows no missing modules.  So I have no idea what is missing here.
06:20 cait mbalmer: you can ignore it unless you want to use solr I think
06:20 mtompset Exactly.
06:20 mtompset Data::Paginator is for Solr stuff.
06:20 mtompset And as far as I know, it is OPTIONAL.
06:20 mtompset bonjour, alex_a
06:23 mtj … still sounds like a bug, to me
06:24 mtj if ive got D::P installed, and koha says its not… its a bug, surely?
06:25 mbalmer yes, it is a bug.
06:25 mbalmer but then, there are many bugs in Koha ;)
06:26 cait there are many bugs in every software...
06:26 cait and we can fix all the bugz :)
06:29 mtompset It's not a bug in Koha. It's a bug in the installed dependencies which prevent it from properly reporting the version number.
06:29 mtj mbalmer, whats your point?
06:29 * mtompset mumbles something about "Moose" under his breath.
06:31 mtompset I suspect if you install "Log::Any" "Moose" "Hash::MoreUtils" "Carp::Assert" "Data::UUID" and "Time::Duration::Parse" (things I had to install to get the CHI and CHI::Driver::Memcached to display a version number correctly) it may fix your problem... but unless you are going to use Solar... DON'T INSTALL MOOSE!
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06:32 mtompset Let me see if I can recall the "perl -e" command line to trigger a version number, and the errors which led me down this path.
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06:34 mbalmer mtj, my point is that it is annoying to see these red bars when Koha is actually lying to us about missing modules.  It triggers an "alert" in every conscious sysadmins brain….
06:35 mtj mbalmer, no, the statement *after* that statement… whats your point?
06:36 mbalmer mtj, the one about bugs?
06:36 mtompset perl -e "use {module}; print {module}->VERSION,\"\n\";"
06:37 mtompset That should trigger the error on the missing dependency.
06:37 mtompset But it really isn't "missing".
06:38 mtj mbalmer, yeah that one… why say something that makes everyone feel bad?
06:39 mtompset Only if they read the IRC logs or are intentionally lurking, mtj. ;)
06:39 mbalmer haha, well, because it is very true, as it is for most software systems of a certain complexity.  just look at the bug database, there for sure are many bugs around.  no one should feel bad about that.  it's just an obvious fact.
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06:41 julian_m hello
06:41 mtompset greetings, julian_m
06:42 * mtompset dislikes got cloning a fresh copy.
06:42 mtompset ^got^git^
06:42 julian_m hello mtompset
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06:44 reiveune hello
06:47 mtompset So, mbalmer, if you wish to figure out what dependencies are missing, you can use: perl -e "use {module}; print {module}->VERSION,\"\n\";"
06:47 mbalmer ah, ok, thanks!
06:47 mtompset Then install them as they become apparent.
06:47 mtompset But you don't need to.
06:47 mtompset And if you end up installing Moose... so help you.
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07:04 * magnuse concludes that mtompset is not a fan of moose
07:04 mtompset Well, I haven't formed an opinion based on experience, just on what I have read.
07:05 mtompset The load times for Moose are... bad.
07:05 magnuse yeah, you would not want that without plack or something like it
07:05 magnuse or so i gather
07:05 mtompset I can't recall, but someone posted a few benchmarks.
07:11 magnuse yeah, there's no doubt that (a) moose is a big beast :-)
07:13 mtompset Which is why we were also discussing Mouse and Moo.
07:13 magnuse ah yes
07:14 mtompset All of them have a forward compatible with Moose syntax capability, and so I'm pretty sure the consensus in the discussion was that we should stick with Moose-like syntax.
07:14 mtompset this means we do go forward with plak and moose, we've got code that will transport well.
07:14 magnuse good plan
07:15 mtompset If we want to rework solr to be moo-based instead, we can do that, and still have compatibility.
07:15 mtompset (that was not really an option)
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07:19 rangi evening
07:22 mtompset Evening, rangi.
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07:25 magnuse kia ora rangi
07:25 mtompset Greetings, kf. :)
07:25 kf hi magnuse
07:25 kf hi rangi
07:25 rangi hi mtompset, magnuse and kf
07:39 drojf good morning #koha
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07:40 samuel hi everybody
07:40 mtompset Greetings, drojf and samuel
07:41 samuel question: we have problems to import items and link them with bibliographics records.
07:42 kf how are you trying to do it?
07:43 samuel so, we have first made an import of our bibliographic records....
07:44 samuel now, as our items are in another table, we want now import them but something is not clear for me....
07:44 mtompset Should not the items be in the same MARC file that is staged initially?
07:44 mtompset You split them, which seems strange to me.
07:45 samuel when i am in stage marc records for import, the item "record matching rule" is fixed on "do not looking for matching records". I can't choose another solution. That would may be the reason i can't link bib and items records? I've not tested with bulkmarcimport for the moment.
07:45 samuel i have not choice, our old ils separate bibliographic and items
07:45 samuel it would be logic to have both in one file
07:46 * mtompset steps aside for some expert to answer, because I don't know a simple solution.
07:49 mtompset Have you used MarcEdit before? I haven't tried the Join tool, but it may be what you need.
07:49 kf samuel: hm
07:50 kf samuel: how are you trying to match them? in which format is the file you are trying to import?
07:50 kf samuel: and which version of Koha are you looking at?
07:50 samuel mtompset: join tool, why not, i'll try it :-)
07:50 samuel kf: i use 3.8
07:50 mtompset Take backup copies. :)
07:51 kf I wonder why you can't change the setting - you shoudl be able to - but only after selecting a mjatch point
07:51 kf so you need a field in both the bilbiographic imported records and the same field in the items that match
07:51 kf so the system knows what to link
07:51 samuel kf: my files are in marc
07:52 mtompset so basically, you have a working koha, but if you search for a biblio, it has no items.
07:52 mtompset because the items were in a separate file.
07:52 samuel mtompset: yes, that's the situation
07:53 kf samuel: yes, but what are you matching on?
07:53 kf you need to deifne a matching rule for what you are trying to do
07:53 kf if you have not set up one, that' sprobably why you can't select the option to match
07:59 samuel i have 995 field in my bibliographic records and 995 field in my items records
08:02 kf hm, I don't think that will work
08:02 kf you need to pick a field that is indexed
08:02 kf and it needs to have the same value in both bibliographic and item records
08:03 mtompset 995? UNIMARC?
08:03 kf sorry, I have to go to a meeting
08:03 samuel mtompset: yes
08:04 mtompset Sorry, I have no experience with UNIMARC at all.
08:05 mtompset I couldn't help, even if I wanted to. :(
08:07 samuel i understand, don't worry
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09:01 mtompset If only samuel was here now, you might have been able to help him, paul_p. :)
09:01 mtompset Bonjour. :)
09:01 paul_p hello
09:01 paul_p (forgot to launch xchat this morning...)
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09:14 kf hi paul_p
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09:37 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
09:41 magnuse hiya jcamins - another early morning?
09:43 jcamins magnuse: it started pouring and woke me up. Since our blinds are made of paper, I decided to get up and check that the rain wasn't blowing in through the windows.
09:43 jcamins Then I was awake.
09:43 kf good morning jcamins
09:43 kf and go back to sleep ;)
09:45 magnuse quarter to 6? yeah, go back to bed and count bugs or something :-)
09:45 jcamins I went to bed early last night. I got a good 7 hours of sleep.
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09:50 magnuse ok, no reason to not hack koha, then!
09:51 magnuse please proceed
09:51 magnuse ;-)
09:53 kf heh
09:53 kf jcamins: yep, you have to upload 2 patches
09:54 jcamins Hehe.
09:54 jcamins I'm pruning my git repo.
09:54 jcamins I'm down to 100 branches.
09:55 jcamins 99.
09:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #178 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:00 magnuse sounds dangerous, so early in the morning
10:01 jcamins magnuse: most of the pruning was done last night. This morning I don't particularly feel like finishing the job.
10:02 magnuse heh
10:07 mtompset bug 8780
10:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8780 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
10:07 mtompset anyone? ;)
10:10 mtompset BTW, jcamins, I was checking out debian.packages and it is lacking a few things. Looks like another bug report based on output again. :)
10:11 jcamins mtompset: there's already a bug.
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10:12 jcamins Myshkin does not want his nails trimmed.
10:12 kf you should rethink that plan then
10:12 mtompset which bug?
10:13 mtompset 7409?
10:13 jcamins bug 7409
10:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Missing dependencies for Debian package
10:13 jcamins That's one, at least.
10:15 kf one nail?
10:15 jcamins Yup.
10:15 kf oh
10:16 jcamins Two!
10:18 jcamins Three.
10:18 mtompset what is this debian/control thing of which I am reading?
10:18 jcamins This is going to take all morning.
10:18 kf if you keep using one hand for typing, probably
10:18 kf :)
10:22 jcamins I don't know how Shari does it.
10:22 kf probably she is bribing him
10:23 jcamins He just won't keep still.
10:23 kf would you?
10:23 jcamins lol
10:23 jcamins Probably not.
10:23 kf see
10:23 kf maybe invest in a scratching post :)
10:23 kf or however the correct translation for thos things is
10:23 kf whatever? whatever.
10:24 drojf don't you have some nice furniture that he could trim his nails on all by himself?
10:24 jcamins We have a scratching post.
10:24 jcamins Why do you think he has 20 daggers for evisceration?
10:24 drojf lol
10:24 * kf had to look that up first
10:27 * kf is on Myshkin's sidein this
10:29 jcamins One paw done!
10:29 drojf heh
10:29 drojf wow. don't cut the whole paw!
10:29 jcamins lol
10:30 kf drojf: want to bet on the scratches jcamins will get before paw 2 is done? :)
10:30 jcamins No, Myshkin doesn't scratch.
10:30 jcamins He's very good.
10:30 jcamins It's just a lot of rolling around on the floor.
10:31 magnuse jcamins: count yourself lucky it's not a puffindog - they have at least 6 toes on each foot :-)
10:31 jcamins The problem is that he likes sitting on my lap, and his claws are so sharp that he draws blood just sitting there.
10:31 kf oh
10:31 kf ok
10:32 kf maybe I am persuaded now that this is not a totally bad idea
10:32 drojf magnuse: at least??
10:35 magnuse drojf: sometimes they have 7
10:35 drojf crazy norwegian dogs :)
10:35 magnuse yup :-)
10:35 * magnuse has three
10:36 jcamins At least 72 toes!
10:36 drojf lol
10:36 kf three toes?
10:36 drojf german wikipedia makes it sound like you can fold them together quite nicely
10:37 drojf special neck, special ears, less teeth...
10:37 jcamins Fold... dogs together?
10:37 jcamins lol
10:37 drojf Dogs of this breed are able to bend their head backwards along their own spine and turn their forelegs to the side at a 90-degree horizontal angle to their body, much like human arms. Their pricked, upright ears can be folded shut to form a near-tight seal by folding forward or backward.
10:38 jcamins Perfect for traveling. :)
10:38 magnuse yup, pretty perfect allround, in fact :-)
10:39 magnuse jcamins: 73, one of them has 7 on one foot
10:39 jcamins There's a cat asleep right where I would like to put my chair.
10:39 jcamins Well, exercise ball.
10:43 drojf cats are always one step ahead. they know where you would like to go before you know it. and love to sleep exactly there
10:43 kf yep
10:51 mtompset 72 toes?!
10:51 magnuse 73. on 3 dogs
10:52 mtompset Oh.
10:52 mtompset 3 dogs.
10:59 kf magnuse: that is a bit weird.
10:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #178: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/178/
10:59 jenkins_koha fridolyn.somers: Bug 8420: tool 6858) and hourly loan(bz5549)
10:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8420 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , tool 6858) and hourly loan(bz5549)
11:00 magnuse kf: :-)
11:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #179 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:00 jcamins[…]9_656865637_n.jpg
11:00 jcamins ^^ Myshkin
11:00 wahanui i heard ^^ Myshkin was a cat genius.
11:00 drojf aaaw
11:00 jcamins lol
11:00 jcamins You're right.
11:02 jcamins I think he appreciates me getting up early.
11:12 mtompset Hmmm... jcamins, did you know about debian/list-deps?
11:13 mtompset It looks like it could be a perl precursor to
11:14 jcamins mtompset: No, I didn't do the Debian packaging.
11:18 mtompset I only looked in the debian directory because of bug 8402.
11:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , replace 'install_misc/debian.packages' file with '' script
11:19 * mtompset smirks, "It doesn't handle GD very well" ;)
11:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 8627 Followup for removing tabs <[…]b055c01a4bebd8ab5> / 8627 Fixing pipe values in controlfield 008 authorities <[…]b234e825a8ad94e09> / Bug 8693 - Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name <
11:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #838 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
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11:51 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "Why you should read source code" (11 lines) at
11:52 kf heh
11:52 jcamins mtompset: yeah, I love that comment.
11:53 mtompset I suspect it is from our friend eythian.
11:54 kf git blame can tell you
11:54 mtompset But I could be totally wrong.
11:54 mtompset I don't know how to use git blame.
11:54 kf git blame -L start,endline file
11:56 mtompset Ah... Lars W.
11:56 mtompset And Galen Charlton
11:57 kf he was RM back then
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11:59 mtj its lars or robin, for sure
12:00 jcamins That was back during the 3.2 release cycle. I don't think eythian was around yet.
12:00 mtompset I did the git blame.
12:00 mtompset It's Lars and Galen.
12:00 jcamins mtompset: I know.
12:01 jcamins I'm commenting to mtj that he could've figured it out based on when it was. ;)
12:10 liw who what me? I deny everything
12:14 santy_ Hi everybody!... I have to install koha on centos 5.8 64bit and would also like to make a howto on that.  Does anyone know about a good guide (centos/redhat 5) to start with? I searched but could only find the fedora 7 guide in the wiki.
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12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
12:23 mtompset santy_: Don't install on 5.8
12:23 mtompset There is a wiki page for 6.2  which should work for 6.3 too
12:23 santy_ gush! why not? is there a specific reason?
12:24 mtompset Koha 3.6 and higher requires perl 5.10
12:24 mtompset 5.8 only has 5.8.8
12:24 mtompset 6.3 has 5.10
12:24 mtompset[…]n_Centos_6.2_i386
12:24 mtompset Also, CentOS is NOT a recommended or supported OS.
12:25 mtompset So, your mileage may vary.
12:25 santy_ nor RedHat?
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12:25 mtompset No, Debian is the recommended OS.
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12:26 santy_ ok, I will have to convince the gvmnt agency then... to use ubuntukoha, it'll be hard...
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12:26 mtompset santy_: I said DEBIAN.
12:27 santy_ ok, to use a debian system
12:27 mtompset Ubuntu is a debian-based OS, but Debian is the recommended OS.
12:27 mtompset Ubuntu will work (I use it).
12:27 mtompset But it is not the official recommendation.
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12:27 santy_ would you recommend ubuntukoha?
12:28 mtompset If you want support, use Debian.
12:28 mtompset More people here can support you with that.
12:28 santy_ ah ok, good to know
12:29 mtompset If you use ubuntu, you will get support, but it won't be at the same level.
12:29 oleonard It's not fair to say "If you want support, use Debian" That makes it sound like it's all or nothing.
12:29 mtompset Yes, yes... I poorly worded that.
12:29 santy_ yea I understand
12:29 mtompset More developers here use Debian.
12:30 santy_ ok... should my client insist on installing on centos 5.8, which koha version could possibly fully work?
12:31 mtompset That being said, the install instructions[…]on_Debian_Squeeze work with little variation under Ubuntu.
12:31 mtompset If they insist on CentOS 5.8, you would have to upgrade the perl.
12:31 mtompset I think perlbrew/homebrew or something might come into play.
12:32 mtompset Then you have the headaches of getting the dependencies.
12:32 santy_ ok, I'll find out
12:32 mtompset The CentOS page I linked you to has tackled some of those headaches.
12:32 mtompset But that was for 6.2
12:33 santy_ ok thanks mtompset
12:33 mtompset Sorry for the not so great news.
12:33 mtompset You're welcome.
12:34 santy_ If I have to, then ill write a howto
12:34 samuel hi, i come back with my items problem: i've created matching rules but the problem stay the same.
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12:35 mtompset paul_p, you around?
12:35 kf samuel: can you give all your steps when uploading and staging?
12:35 paul_p mtompset yep. Playing with bug 8597 ;-)
12:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Passed QA , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
12:35 kf maybe a screenshot of how you staged the records?
12:36 samuel kf: yes, a screenshot would be more easy
12:36 mtompset Ah, okay. this was the person who had the UNIMARC import in two parts.
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12:36 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
12:36 samuel mtompset: yes, exotic situation
12:36 tcohen hi mtompset
12:37 jcamins khall: I'd suggest just setting UseICU to "don't" (re: bug 8783). Escaping parentheses tends to break oddly.
12:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8783 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT
12:38 khall I'll try that
12:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #179: SUCCESS in 1 hr 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/179/
12:39 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8705: Software error on help of main page
12:39 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8714 - Poorly ordered and triggers warning in
12:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8705 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error on help of main page
12:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8714 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Poorly ordered and triggers warning in
12:40 khall that works, what are the repurcussion of turning off icu?
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12:41 jcamins khall: you don't have ICU on, so, none.
12:41 khall excellent, thanks!
12:41 jcamins ICU breaks double quotes.
12:41 jcamins Hence the braces.
12:42 jcamins Zebra doesn't use curly braces without ICU enabled, though, so it has to be togglable.
12:42 * jcamins switched the XSLTs to curly braces at a time when he was using ICU exclusively.
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12:49 samuel kf:  --->it's  for my bibliographic records
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12:57 kf samuel: is that the stagingor managing screen?
12:57 kf have you set up matching rules? did you select one of those from the pull down?
12:58 samuel kf: it's the Stage MARC records for import
12:58 samuel i've set up matching rules but i've not selected it
13:00 kf h
13:00 kf m
13:01 kf I understood that you want to import bibliographic records and items in 2 batches
13:01 kf if that is correct what I would do is:
13:01 kf 1. import bibliographic records into the catalog
13:01 kf wait for everything to be reindexed
13:01 samuel kf: i've not many choice with the data i have
13:02 kf 2. import the item records, don't overlay the bibliographic part but attach the items
13:03 samuel ok
13:03 kf what is important is that for 2. you need a key to match on
13:03 kf what do you want to match the data on?
13:03 kf do you have a record number in 001 or something like this to match them on?
13:04 samuel kf:ok so... when i import item records, i choose the matching rule i've created
13:04 kf yes
13:04 kf but you have to be careful to choose a good field to match on
13:04 kf that is indexed
13:04 kf by zebra
13:05 kf for example you could put the same number in the bibliographic record and the item record both in 001 field
13:05 kf that would be indexed as Control-number
13:05 kf and you could build a matching rule on htat
13:06 samuel oups, i think i've not understood at the beginning. I thought i have to add 995 field in my bibliographic records and then, match on it.
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13:08 samuel kf: i will paste an extract of my files
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13:11 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8336 Support Sip Renewal Transaction
13:11 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8336 follow-up, tabs to space
13:11 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8275: xml parsing error when the webservice GetPatronInfo/show_loans is called
13:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3782: Remove broken z39.50 targets from sample files
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8336 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP Server does not process renewal transaction correctly
13:11 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 8717 - Wrong subscription notes are showing in catalogue detail view of serials in staff client
13:11 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8709: Subfield 0 does not show in MARC detail in intranet
13:11 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 4321: clean C4::Biblio::GetBiblio and uses
13:11 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8757: longer descriptions for authorised values
13:11 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: bug 8757 follow-up DBRev number
13:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8693 - Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8275 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , xml parsing error when the webservice GetPatronInfo/show_loans is called
13:11 jenkins_koha * 8627 Fixing pipe values in controlfield 008 authorities
13:11 jenkins_koha * 8627 Followup for removing tabs
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3782 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , delivered z39.50 targets wrong for NY Public Library and NY University Library
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8717 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Wrong subscription notes are showing in catalogue detail view of serials in staff client
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8709 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Subfield 0 does not show in MARC detail in intranet
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Biblio::GetBiblio is badly coded
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Longer size text for authorised values "lib"
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8693 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name
13:11 samuel kf:   --->example of my bibliographic records
13:12 oleonard Cool it tweetbot`
13:13 samuel kf:  --->item records
13:13 jcamins gmcharlt: please kick tweetbot`
13:13 jcamins tweetbot`: shutdown
13:13 oleonard ...or chris_n, or Guest6947
13:13 oleonard Or even mtj
13:13 jcamins mtj: if you're around, please kill tweetbot.
13:13 jcamins Wait, you must be around.
13:13 wajasu ban tweetbot
13:14 jcamins Thanks.
13:14 mtj oops, full disk
13:14 kf samuel: those will not work :(
13:15 mtj DBD::SQLite::st execute failed: database or disk is full at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Bot​/BasicBot/Pluggable/Store/ line 81.
13:15 kf samuel: you need all the item information in one 995 per item
13:16 kf samuel: I don't know the item format for UNIMARC records very well, but I think you will also need home and holing library fields with the branch code in Koha
13:16 mtj … that was a pretty awesome disk-full fail :/
13:16 samuel kf: so, not subfield , all in one field
13:16 jcamins samuel: you need some way to associate those items with bibliographic records.
13:16 kf and the barcode and the itemtype
13:16 kf is 995$r the title you want to use to match the records on?
13:16 santy_ hi again mtompset... the other alternative my client has to offer is to install koha on a windows 2003 R'' Enterprise x64 sp2 server, how about that vs centos 5.8?
13:16 kf it should be in 200$a I think (not quite sure about UNIMARC here)
13:17 jcamins santy_: you could run a VM under Windows, but that's about it.
13:17 mtompset Yes, a VM... not the greatest solution, but that would let you do a debian install in the VM on the Windows OS of their chosing.
13:18 jcamins santy_: if I were you, I'd run KVM on the CentOS machine, and run Debian on it.
13:18 samuel kf:ok
13:18 santy_ so, installing directly on windows is not recommended?
13:18 jcamins santy_: indeed, it cannot be done.
13:18 mtompset No, it isn't recommended.
13:19 mtompset jcamins: given enough time and energy I'm sure it could be.
13:19 mtompset But no one has attempted it in recent years.
13:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6151' <[…]b6874bb3cd93d0e73> / Bug 6151 follow-up fix POD <[…]3a73862694231e776> / Bug 8597 follow-up DBRev number <[…]d713ccfc946d07c5b
13:19 santy_ do you know about a specific koha/zebra feature that would not work?
13:20 mtompset The problem is the perl library dependencies tend not to get ported quickly enough to perl versions that run natively under windows.
13:20 jcamins Right, given enough time and effort. chris_n spent years trying to get it work, and eventually managed.
13:20 jcamins But his conclusion was "just use a VM."
13:20 santy_ ok, thanks for your KVM suggestion
13:20 santy_ sounds cool
13:21 jcamins Or, you know, your preferred virtualization platform.
13:21 jcamins But I know that CentOS 5.8 is often used as a KVM host.
13:21 santy_ ok I'll find out and suggest that... one other question...
13:21 magnuse so, what's our preferred incantation for invoking perlcritic? just "perlcritic" or some extra magic?
13:21 mtompset Actually, its funny, because one of our offsite backups is a CentOS box, but the VM I have set up is Ubuntu. :)
13:22 jcamins magnuse: I think that's it.
13:22 santy_ I have talked here about centos 5.8... but what they really have is redhat el5
13:22 mtompset Why haven't they moved to 6?
13:22 santy_ only I can't test on redhat
13:22 jcamins In that case, I would insist on the VM.
13:23 santy_ don't know... its a gvrnmt agency, thay may have other apps already working...
13:23 magnuse thanks jcamins, i'll run with that
13:23 mtompset The nice thing about a VM is... they update the host OS, as long as you get the virtualization environement running again, the setup will continue to work.
13:23 santy_ good point
13:23 jcamins Even if you get it working on your test environment, you'll have to repeat the troubleshooting process to move to production.
13:24 mtj magnuse, try cd koha ; perlcriticrc --profile ./t/perlcriticrc
13:24 santy_ hey thanks a lot for your suggestions
13:24 mtompset We do try to be helpful. :)
13:25 jcamins santy_: I know several people have tried installing Koha on RedHat, and had really bad experiences.
13:25 santy_ they are great, I hope my client has a sufficiently open mind
13:25 jcamins None of those people frequent the channel, though.
13:25 libsysguy I tired Koha on Centos once
13:25 libsysguy never again
13:25 mtompset I tried to install on CentOS 5.8 and got frustrated. ;)
13:25 magnuse ah, thanks mtj
13:26 jcamins libsysguy: oh yeah, I forgot you tried it.
13:26 mtompset I didn't get a chance to try 6.3 yet.
13:26 mtj magnuse, yeah the './t/perlcriticrc' file has some tweaks for Modern::Perl
13:26 libsysguy I tried on 5.5 so you have me beat
13:27 mtompset Like I said, the biggest problem was the wrong version of perl.
13:27 mtompset I didn't want the hassle of trying to upgrade it.
13:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #839 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
13:27 santy_ and the upgrade... would it have been very hard?
13:29 mtompset upgrading perl?
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13:29 santy_ yes, perl
13:29 mtompset I've never used homebrew/perlbrew.
13:29 santy_ con centos 5.8
13:29 jcamins wizzyrea!
13:29 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA
13:30 mtompset So it would have been a major learning curve for me.
13:30 wizzyrea hi :)
13:30 mtompset You can get it running on CentOS 6.3, but you may have to do the evil CPAN thing.
13:31 santy_ ok, i'll learn about kvm on redhat/centos... do you know any other easy to setup vm on those oses?
13:31 mtompset Unless you are familiar with packaging. ;)
13:31 wizzyrea jcamins++
13:31 mtompset Sorry, I virtualize on a 2GB netbook under Windows, not exactly good enough for a production environment. :)
13:31 jcamins santy_: I suspect there is no "easy" VM system suitable for servers, but I don't think that any should be that hard for someone familiar with the OS.
13:32 magnuse oh why on earth would perlcritic refer to *pages* in the perl best practices book?
13:33 jcamins magnuse: hehe. I've wondered about that.
13:33 santy_ hmmm their redhat is already virtualized... and they don't want no more virtual machines... will have to convince them somehow
13:33 mtj magnuse, coz the author of perlcritic was inspired, after reading PBP
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13:33 mtompset Their redhat is virtualized on what?
13:33 jcamins santy_: then have them spin up a Debian VM? :)
13:34 santy_ they don't want no more vms..  ill have to change their mind
13:34 mtompset Don't run a VM in a VM.
13:34 santy_ I dont know which vm they are using
13:34 magnuse mtj: yeah, sure. and i have the book, but not a printed version, so page numbers are not the most useful...
13:34 drojf yo dawg, i heard you like VMs...
13:35 santy_ hehe debian inside centos inside another vm would be akward
13:35 mtompset Oh, I bet they are using some virtualization product that charges per VM.
13:36 santy_ ill find out
13:36 kf magnuse: hm you could download the pdf from oreilly
13:36 drojf but the vm in centos may be an option for the guys we visited for the conference last weekend, turns out they run koha on centos :/
13:36 kf magnuse: so you get the page numbers - but it's still weird :)
13:37 magnuse kf: yup :-)
13:38 santy_ if they have a vmed redhat, do not want more vms on that server, and have another win2003server it might probably best to install vbox on the windows machine then and debian inside
13:40 * magnuse wanders off
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13:55 * mtompset nods, "Sadly, santy_."
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14:15 * mtompset waves bye.
14:17 gmcharlt jcamins_away: are you still accepting cherry-picks for 3.6.9; if so, I nominate 3a10cbda9ac4 for bug 8293
14:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8293 critical, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when clicking on first or last result of each page on OPAC
14:26 jcamins_away gmcharlt: are we seeing that on 3.6.x? I had tried replicating it and did not see it.
14:27 gmcharlt jcamins_away: yes, a customer of ours ran into it, but it was strangely intermittent
14:27 gmcharlt appear to affected only the first hit on the second page of search results
14:28 gmcharlt what's  weird is that the call to searchResults in was so broken prior to that fix that it shouldn't have worked at all
14:28 jcamins_away gmcharlt: on 3.6.8? I pushed a patch for that to 3.6.6...
14:29 gmcharlt jcamins_away: the customer was running 3.6.6 when they encountered it
14:30 jcamins_away gmcharlt: I thought it went into 3.6.6. I'll check.
14:32 gmcharlt jcamins_away: ok, I've checked as well - the fix for 7894 didn't make it into 3.6.x until 3.6.7
14:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #839: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/839/
14:33 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Improve template markup to prepare for mobile
14:33 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Create new CCSR theme
14:33 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Add mobile functionality to ccsr theme
14:33 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8597: fix hardcoded references to prog in ccsr
14:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
14:33 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8597: Add CSS, JS, and images to ccsr theme
14:33 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Add system preferences to configure the mobile view.
14:33 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8597 follow-up DBRev number
14:33 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up fix POD
14:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in
14:33 jcamins_away bug 7894
14:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
14:33 jcamins_away That's the one I was thinking of.
14:34 jcamins_away oleonard: the last patch for bug 8597 was not pushed.
14:34 gmcharlt jcamins_away: so looking at this more, I withdrawn my request, or at least lessen it
14:35 gmcharlt 8253 *does* fix a problem where the call to searchResults simply has the wrong number of parameters
14:36 gmcharlt but is arguably one without visible effect
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14:36 gmcharlt that said, it still gives me a twitch to have a supported branch with such an errant call :)
14:36 jcamins_away Heh.
14:37 jcamins_away oleonard: the last patch for bug 8597...
14:37 jcamins_away oh, I already said that.
14:38 oleonard Okay. I thought that since it was there it was ready.
14:39 jcamins_away oleonard: it should've been.
14:39 jcamins_away I'm not sure why it wasn't.
14:39 jcamins_away The patch is on the bug.
14:45 * wajasu having good progress with tcohen's koha-common now
14:48 wajasu tcohen: i had success installing koha-common. i want to give it one more run through.  outside of cpan Koha:Contrib::Tamil, i needed libtest-strict-perl and libdevel-cover-perl besides the typical deb pkgs.
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14:49 wajasu tcohen: it brought down my running koha-common services, and brought up the new ones automatically (plus indexer).
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15:07 reiveune bye
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16:17 jcamins_away paul_p: did you see my note on bug 8597?
16:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
16:17 paul_p jcamins_away yep, will deal with it later. Strange, but possible, there were a lot of encoding issues (doubled UTF8) when I applied the patches. What's strange is that I made many tests and saw nothing...
16:19 jcamins_away paul_p: oleonard said it actually came out looking mostly okay, which speaks well of our templates.
16:19 paul_p (in fact, this explain a tiny strange thing I saw in the display: tabs are not looking like tabs)
16:19 oleonard These small things are important! :)
16:20 paul_p oleonard = right ;)
16:24 jcamins_away paul_p: you're almost done with my authority patches. :)
16:24 jcamins_away I think bug 2060 and bug 8523 are the last ones.
16:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client
16:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
16:24 paul_p jcamins_away fine ;-)
16:25 jcamins_away Oh, and...
16:25 jcamins_away @query did you mean
16:25 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
16:25 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
16:25 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
16:25 jcamins_away Bug 8726, which I'm having some trouble fixing.
16:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
16:25 jcamins_away But I'll get it. :)
16:35 jcamins_away oleonard: ooh, I like the idea of non-javascript-based modifications.
16:35 jcamins_away It'd be easy to do with...
16:35 jcamins_away sortable!
16:35 jcamins_away :D
16:36 oleonard Right, an interface in the staff client where you can check a box next to the choices you want to offer and--sure--sort them too
16:36 jcamins_away :)
16:36 oleonard And why not do the same for the advanced search page?
16:36 * jcamins_away just likes excuses to mention how cool sortable is.
16:36 jcamins_away +inf
16:36 jcamins_away Well- translation.
16:37 jcamins_away If you add an entirely custom field, it's not translatable.
16:37 jcamins_away But I guess that's no different from the way it is now.
16:38 oleonard What do you mean, add an entirely custom field?
16:38 oleonard I was thinking the choices would be hard-coded (and thus translatable), but numerous
16:38 jcamins_away Like the way the ANS added "journal title."
16:39 oleonard ...and then when someone came up with a new one we could accept a patch adding the option without rehashing this again
16:39 jcamins_away But if that's not translatable, it's no different than the situation with javascript now.
16:40 jcamins_away (and the standard, non-wtf-y options could be translatable easily enough)
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16:43 tcohen wajasu, that'sgood news!
16:43 tcohen i managed to get it working out-of-the-box on a fresh install / koha-create instance setup
16:44 tcohen i filled a bug for that problem of try-to-upgrade-not-complete-installed-instan e
16:49 jcamins_away oleonard: BTW, I am pro-"minimum number of options"
16:55 * chris_n hands jcamins_away a swiss army knife
16:56 mbalmer better hand him a basler laeckerli...
16:57 jcamins_away chris_n: I didn't say that *I* was adding the new sortable configuration.
16:57 chris_n mbalmer: as in
16:58 mbalmer exaclty ;)
16:58 mbalmer the ones we (mveron and I) bring to every Koha meeting
16:58 chris_n looks good
16:58 * jcamins_away is still disappointed mveron doesn't make them in the dishwasher.
16:58 mbalmer HAHAHA ;)
16:59 jcamins_away His creativity with cooking things in the dishwasher impressed me.
16:59 chris_n lol
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17:29 bornie21 Hey everyone I am trying to host multiple websites on a machine with Koha but upon setting the name based virtual hosts I can access the sites on the physical machine but when I try it on the LAN it resolves to the KOHA Opac page.
17:36 gmcharlt bornie21: does the machine have two network interfaces?
17:36 gmcharlt one possibility is that your vhost definitions are listening on the external interface but not the internal one
17:36 bornie21 No it has one interface
17:36 gmcharlt and if Koha is the default, that would account for the behavior
17:37 bornie21 How do I change it from being the default then
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17:39 mveron Hi #koha
17:41 jcamins_away bornie21: if you change the default, you'll just have a different site showing up. The problem is somewhere in the NameVirtualHost configuration.
17:42 jcamins_away apache2ctl -S may help.
17:43 * jcamins_away would theorize that some of your hosts are not listening on all addresses.
17:43 bornie21 Ok let me run that and see
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17:46 jcamins_away magnuse: I'm cataloging a book in Norwegian. :)
17:51 bornie21         is a NameVirtualHost          default server HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6)          port 80 namevhost HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6)       HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:100)           HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6)
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17:51 cait has nengard been hacked?
17:51 jcamins_away Please use in the future.
17:51 cait oh and hi #koha :)
17:51 jcamins_away But I think you want to set everything to listen on *.
17:52 bornie21 the above is the result of apachectl -S. Sorry for pasting directly
17:52 jcamins_away Wait, there's only the one site enabled.
17:52 jcamins_away You should enable the other sites, then run apachectl -S.
17:52 bornie21 ok had disabled the for test purposes
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18:56 bornie21 <jcamins_away>:I don't knw if this is a recommended  but i have placed my new site inside the Koha Opac htdocs and accessing it over the LAN. Can it b hosted thusly
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19:15 oleonard Bootstrap toolbar buttons and menus using default icons and styles:
19:16 cait can we update the license tomorrow? :)
19:17 oleonard Speaking of which, who is going to raise the issue on the list again? mtj?
19:17 cait mj or mtj I think
19:17 cait or chris_n?
19:17 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
19:17 rangi Not for a while I hope
19:18 oleonard Not til after 3.12 roles are chosen rangi ?
19:18 rangi After the release at least, hopefully tm is all sorted by then too
19:18 oleonard Ah right the tm. :(
19:18 * oleonard grumbles
19:18 rangi Or it will just derail
19:19 rangi However the gpl 2+
19:19 rangi Allows you to upgrade your copy
19:20 rangi And include bootstrap
19:20 rangi So don't need to wait for testing etc
19:20 oleonard Upgrade your copy?
19:20 tcohen wajasu, r u there?
19:21 rangi You can say this version with bootstrap is gpl3+
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19:22 rangi And can distribute for ppl to test
19:23 rangi Just don't release it
19:23 rangi Or call it it version 64644
19:23 rangi Or something
19:23 rangi :-)
19:24 wizzyrea that's awfully pretty oleonard
19:24 wajasu tcohen: yes
19:24 oleonard In other words rangi, I don't have to board up my windows and ready my shotgun while I tinker with Bootstrap
19:25 oleonard I can't take any credit wizzyrea, it's all Bootstrap-pretty.
19:25 wizzyrea yes but you put it there :P
19:25 wizzyrea own your awesome, oleonard. :)
19:26 magnuse jcamins_away: which book?
19:28 rangi Yes you can distribute it
19:29 rangi You could always play with it, cos of the +
19:29 tcohen hi wajasu, i've been out on a meeting
19:29 tcohen did you succeed?
19:30 wajasu tcohen:i'm just did a fresh debina install, then cpan, then now Koha::Contrib::Tamil   , then doing webinstaller.
19:30 wajasu i am trying again, because of an issue.
19:30 wajasu the indexer keeps respawning
19:31 rangi But if you note you are distributing under 3 you can share it too
19:31 tcohen what does koha-indexer-output.log say about it?
19:32 * rangi hopes early morning rangi is making sense
19:32 wajasu i'm about to run dpkg. 1 minute
19:33 oleonard rangi I'm pretty slow with license stuff, so I'm sure I'll have to ask again
19:33 tcohen what the question is?
19:33 wahanui i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
19:33 mbalmer 42
19:33 tcohen wahanui: 42
19:33 wahanui tcohen: i'm not following you...
19:33 mbalmer 42, and, PostgreSQL
19:34 mbalmer and going to sleep ;)
19:34 tcohen we are having two FOSS licence specialists to speak at UNC next friday
19:34 tcohen if it helps...
19:37 wajasu tcohen: dpkg installs and restart the zebra and adds the indexer.  the koha-indexer-output.log is empty, and the koha-indexer-error.log  kicks out: client (pid 15476) exited with 1 status  (so its the daemon that logs and it tries every 30 seconds.
19:38 tcohen so, it is not working for u?
19:38 tcohen i've had it running on my dev workstation since our last chat
19:38 wajasu right.  i can't figure it out.  i don't have any superflous KOHA_CONF or PERL5LIB configured.
19:39 tcohen are the tables created¿
19:39 wajasu remind me the name
19:40 tcohen zebraqueue?
19:40 wahanui it has been said that zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes.
19:41 wajasu yes it their and empty.
19:41 wajasu thre
19:41 wajasu there
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19:43 tcohen my koha-indexer-error.log is empty
19:43 wajasu now when i install Koha::Contrib::Tamil, i ran it twice so some deps were available from the first run and it succeeded.  i did not have the KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB configured during the Koha::Config::Tamil module this time, thought i tried that in a prior effort.
19:44 wajasu it must have to do with the Tamil module.  let me see.
19:44 tcohen yes, you need to have Koha::Contrib::Tamil before running the daemon (which is triggered when you create an instance)
19:46 * wajasu trying to reinstall the Koha::Contrib::Tamil    its GPL3 you know :)
19:47 wajasu do I need Koha::Contrib::Indexer as well?  maybe thats it
19:47 rangi Yep can't include with Koha for distribution
19:48 wajasu Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
19:48 rangi But you can get it from clan
19:48 rangi Cpan
19:48 tcohen If you cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil it installs the IndexDaemon stuff
19:48 wajasu got it from cpan
19:49 wajasu ok just checking
19:49 tcohen I hope eythian packages it as a .deb in koha's repo
19:49 tcohen bug 8774
19:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
19:50 rangi Probably cant
19:50 tcohen wajasu, you're using the latest koha-common*.deb from, right?
19:50 wajasu yes.  i saw your update.  even downloaded today.
19:50 rangi Maybe a Sep repo to make it clear its not part of kohs
19:51 rangi Koha
19:51 tcohen oh, that's the thing about that libs...
19:53 tcohen if i had known..
19:54 chris_n yoyo internet... gotta love it
19:56 rangi Hehe
19:57 wajasu rangi:  i started think we could just implement the smae thing with plack.  i have another idea too: when we write zebraqueue, we touch a file in a directory, and have lib notify call a zebraindex script.
19:57 rangi There's a zillion ways to do it.bigger fish to fry at the moment
19:58 wajasu yup
19:58 rangi Once the search rewrite is done
19:58 rangi Could be worth revisiting
19:59 cait .. which is agood moment to point out it still needs funding maybe
19:59 cait *hint* :)
19:59 * wizzyrea provides nudging
20:00 rangi I wonder if we can get an update in the newsletter
20:00 cait about the current status of fnding?
20:00 rangi Yeah
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20:01 * cait summons jcamins to tell him he should do that
20:04 wajasu rangi: is the search rewrite the solr work?
20:04 rangi No
20:04 wajasu jcamins work?
20:04 rangi My stop someone paste the link bbiab
20:04 cait wajasu: not for solr, but woudl be a good foundation for better solr integration I tihnk
20:04 cait search rewrite?
20:04 wahanui search rewrite is, like,[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC
20:05 wajasu ahh
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20:08 * wajasu wonders if apache lucy is being used, or just webservice calls.
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20:13 cait wajasu: ?
20:13 wajasu yes
20:13 cait good morning kathryn
20:13 cait :)
20:14 kathryn oh hello cait! :) I've been quiet, running....
20:14 cait running? :)
20:14 kathryn neh, not the actual excercise kinda ;)
20:15 kathryn -a
20:20 oleonard See y'all later
20:32 cait kathryn: ah :)
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20:48 rangi back
20:49 wajasu cait: thanks for finding that <fine> issue. i'm assuming 8378 is going to make it to 3.10 if its in master
20:49 cait hm?
20:49 * cait fails 7572
20:49 cait wajasu: I don't think it was me really finding it :(
20:49 cait I didn't even get to test it
20:50 wajasu you were the one that told me about the dollar amount not showing, right?
20:51 cait oh
20:51 cait maybe
20:51 cait and I am really glad if it gets fixed
20:51 cait because this would make our libraries really really unhappy
20:52 wajasu mine won't upgrade from 3.0 until its fixed. so i'll be happy.
20:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5357: Follow-up - layout and EAN search <[…]a487249283d64f191> / Bug 5357: Adds a new page for searching subscriptions <[…]2c80c9662820fb347> / Bug 7751: Decrease Loans for Items in Demand for Holds <[…]p=koha.git;a=comm
20:54 wajasu rangi: were you serious about not being able to take gpl3 code?  or is anything in cpan OK even if it says it gpl3?  i am wondering if i should continue debugging Koha::Contrib::Tamil with tcohen
20:56 wajasu i am realizeing feature freeze is just 4 days away.
20:56 rangi wajasu: that's not part of koha, its a sep thing, so debugging is fine
20:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #840 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 16 days ago)
20:57 rangi we can't bundle it with, and distribute the whole thing as gpl2 tho
20:57 wajasu i think thats what he was expecting.
20:57 rangi so it needs to stay separate unless we want to distribute as gpl3
20:57 rangi which isnt a decision we can make now
20:59 wajasu if its separate i don't see it being worth testing time, since he can run it inhouse without being part of koha.
20:59 wajasu plus, it got Moose and firends, which is a hefty.
20:59 tcohen wajasu, what is worth testing is the patch for bug 8773 i think
20:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
20:59 rangi you can run inhouse
21:00 rangi you can't distribute
21:00 rangi there is a difference
21:00 rangi the gpl2+ clause
21:00 rangi lets him have his own version being 3, he can even then distribute it as 3 if he wants
21:00 rangi it says
21:01 rangi # Koha is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the
21:01 rangi # terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
21:01 rangi # Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later
21:01 rangi # version.
21:01 rangi what we can't do, is bundle it in our release and try to distribute the release as gpl2+
21:01 rangi quite different things
21:01 rangi but its entirely legal for me to get koha
21:01 rangi then get the indexer
21:01 rangi and run them both
21:02 tcohen rangi, could we provide (as gpl3) a .deb package for koah::contrib::tamil and use it from that scripts of bug 8773
21:02 tcohen ?
21:02 rangi yep
21:02 rangi however its not going to make it for 3.10
21:02 wajasu does he really need to integrate with koha-common?
21:03 rangi so best to wait, then discuss licensing after the release and aim for koha being gpl3+ for 3.12
21:03 rangi imho
21:03 rangi of course its free software, anyone can do whatever they want within the license conditions :)
21:04 wajasu would he ever replace koha-common?  or should he just make it more of a bolt-on?
21:05 tcohen bolt-on?
21:05 wajasu a separate daemon, with its own lifecyle that reads from zebraqueue
21:06 tcohen all this non-existent zebraqueue daemon is non-sense IMHO
21:06 wajasu if you embed you script in koha-common, who is to say, your deb won't have all that robin's has.
21:08 tcohen the daemon scripts need to be release-dependent, and hence not a separate thing
21:11 wajasu i agree.
21:11 santy_ hello again everyone! I was able to convince my client to set up another vm on which to install koha, so now it's up to me to decide which OS to use.  I have been told to use debian.  If the goal is to set up a production server with about 500000 biblios and the need for the zebra z39.50 server, which combination of debian/koha versions would you recommend?
21:12 tcohen i did that. and abandoned those patches when i was told of the existence of fredericd's scripts
21:13 tcohen this is just another iteration of the same story, now trying to make it easy to include those scripts in koha
21:15 wajasu so tcohen. if its not going into 3.10, there is time. i guess i need to shift to other efforts.  i totally understand what you are saying.
21:16 tcohen wajasu, i'm fine with that. i know i did my part :-D
21:16 wajasu you surely did.  i love the feature, its sped up my testing.
21:16 libsysguy santy_: I would suggest debian squeeze with koha 3.6
21:17 cait hi libsysguy :)
21:17 libsysguy we have had quite a bit of trouble with 3.8.x branches
21:17 libsysguy hey cait
21:17 libsysguy whatcha up to
21:17 rangi otoh i have clients running 3.8.4
21:17 rangi with no issues
21:17 libsysguy the issue that I am aware of with 3.8.4 is with hourly loans
21:17 wajasu i did just provide a patch for the overdue_notices for 3.8.x
21:18 tcohen we had to apply some of colin's patches for dates/calendars to get 3.8.x work flawlessly
21:18 libsysguy so santy_ if you're not worried about that then go with 3.8
21:18 rangi tcohen: they are all in 3.8.x now the last of them just added so will all be in 3.8.5 most were in 3.8.4
21:18 tcohen nice rangi
21:19 tcohen so, i'd say Ubuntu 12.04 (:-P) with 3.8.5 as soon as they land
21:20 rangi id strongly advise debian squeeze over ubuntu
21:20 rangi ubuntu 12.04 ships with mysql anonymous logins
21:21 rangi ymmv
21:21 santy_ why debian squeeze over ubuntu 12.04?
21:21 rangi read above
21:21 tcohen rangi, i haven't noticed that
21:22 rangi ahh well you should look, it does, it broke packaging we had to add a patch to get round it
21:22 tcohen ah, you mean that dpkg has access to mysql?
21:23 rangi no
21:23 rangi[…]ing-mysql-server/
21:24 rangi By default, a MySQL installation has an anonymous user, allowing anyone
21:24 rangi to log into MySQL without having to have a user account created for
21:24 rangi them.  This is intended only for testing, and to make the installation
21:24 rangi go a bit smoother.  You should remove them before moving into a
21:24 rangi production environment.
21:24 rangi no one reads tht bit
21:24 rangi :)
21:25 magnuse gah! found the culprit that was eating my swap space: zebra
21:25 magnuse stopped and started all my zebras and swap usage fell dramatically
21:26 santy_ ok in terms of security ubuntu 1204 (w/o anonymous logins) and debian squeeze are both ok
21:26 tcohen rangi, read it, but cannot figure how to test to see if its true
21:27 * magnuse calls it a day
21:27 rangi its true
21:28 rangi[…]curity-mysql.html
21:29 santy_ what about support?... mtompset says there is a greater chance to get things solved on pure debian
21:29 santy_ as far as I understood
21:29 tcohen ubuntu is a debian derivative, backed by Canonical
21:30 tcohen ubuntu relies on debian's development
21:30 tcohen we use ubuntu in our datacenter, because Canonical is focused
21:30 cait magnuse: good night!
21:30 tcohen on providing smooth integration with cloud-oriented tools
21:30 cait and good night #koha :)
21:32 tcohen santy_, what you mean by support?
21:33 santy_ by support I mean the speed knowledge is gained by the supporters... is koha being improved, tested and fixed on debian first?
21:36 tcohen debian
21:36 rangi sorry triying to diagnose hardware via phone
21:37 tcohen if that's the parameter that makes your choice, then go for debian
21:37 santy_ ok, so it is more likely that a patch will be available on debian quicker
21:37 tcohen not sure
21:38 tcohen there is no ubuntu-specific package or something
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21:38 tcohen squeeze and precise are almost binary identical...
21:38 tcohen in fact, you will use the same packages on both
21:40 tcohen (the same repos, etc)
21:40 santy_ I am considering the following factors: security, performance, support, stability, documentation, setup
21:40 tcohen i think its a matter of taste
21:41 tcohen i'd say ubuntu has official docs, and commercial support if you want it
21:41 tcohen i love debian
21:41 tcohen and work on a ubuntu environment, and feel comfortable
21:44 santy_ well the proof of concept i did setup was on ubuntu natty.  Things worked out pretty smoothly (koha 3.8).  I have not tried the zebra z39.50 server yet though, or checked out the hourly loans
21:44 tcohen for a server, stick to LTS releases
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21:44 tcohen (5 year support)
21:45 tcohen it makes you have enough time to design you OS upgrade steps
21:45 tcohen 18 months its less than you belive
21:46 santy_ how about the debian koha packages? are they more up-to-date than ubuntus?
21:46 tcohen the only koha packages are those from
21:46 tcohen you use them for both OS's
21:46 tcohen (distros)
21:47 tcohen they ARE the same
21:47 santy_ ok
21:49 tcohen here you can get instructions for most common things
21:50 tcohen i recommend you see the ufw (firewall) instructions if going production
21:50 tcohen it works on debian too
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21:52 santy_ I think I'll go for ubuntu 12.04+koha 3.8.5
21:53 santy_ just because i'm more familiar with ubuntu and your suggestions about upgrading
21:54 tcohen no no, don't do it
21:54 tcohen debianers on this IRC will hate me :-D
21:54 santy_ lol
21:55 santy_ I understand debian or ubuntu are both feasible alternatives for a koha production server with full functionality
21:56 tcohen in my university, we are pleased to use them both
21:56 tcohen we also use CentOS, OpenSuSE and Debian
21:56 tcohen but are moving towards Ubuntu in the mid-term
21:57 santy_ I was strongly suggested not to install koha on centos 5.8 today
21:59 tcohen santy_ don't
21:59 tcohen on 6.3 we can speak
21:59 santy_ ok 6.3... there is even a howto
21:59 tcohen i was just listing what we have in our infrastructure
22:00 tcohen we have koha on Ubuntu
22:00 tcohen (both the apache front-ends and separate mysl cluster)
22:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #840: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/840/
22:02 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8211: Add exploded search options
22:02 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8210: add links to authorities to headings in OPAC
22:02 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8210: add links to authorities in normal mode headings
22:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search
22:02 jenkins_koha * srdjan: Bug 7993: Save reports with Group/Subgroup hierarchy
22:02 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 7993 follow-up DBRev number
22:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 7751: Decrease Loans for Items in Demand for Holds
22:02 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5357: Adds a new page for searching subscriptions
22:02 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5357: Follow-up - layout and EAN search
22:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Headings in OPAC bib details should link to authority record
22:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
22:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds
22:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Subscription search and displays
22:03 wajasu sweet
22:05 santy_ Do you know a good guide to estimate disk space and ram requirements for koha? I have searched but did not find
22:05 santy_ it in the koha docs nor the wiki (might be mistaken)
22:08 tcohen it depends on the amount of records you have
22:08 santy_ there will be about 500000
22:08 tcohen and the mysql server will be on the same hardware?
22:08 santy_ yes... one virtualized server for everything
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22:10 tcohen you should consider that your DB will be 1.5GB or 2GB (raw disk space)
22:10 bag freeze?
22:10 tcohen and you'd want to have it in RAM
22:11 bag heh just checking to see if wahanui had a definition
22:11 tcohen (tuned mysql)
22:11 tcohen so, I'd say 4GB RAM and 3 or more cores
22:12 tcohen zebra indexes might take 40GB
22:12 tcohen so 120GB HD?
22:12 santy_ 40 GB?
22:13 tcohen a 50K registers DB takes 2GB (checking right now)
22:14 santy_ hmm I don't know... but I recall having set up the zebra indexes tables to run on myisam instead of innodb to avoid transactional data to pile up, those 40GB are taking that into account?
22:14 tcohen nope
22:14 tcohen zebra is a separate full-text indexing DB
22:15 tcohen you're mixing with zebraqueue table
22:15 santy_ oh ok
22:15 tcohen which is always busy but its content disposable
22:15 santy_ understand
22:16 santy_ of course indexing every word occurrence in a separate dbms, right?
22:16 tcohen that's what zebra does
22:16 tcohen zebra's indexes are fat
22:17 tcohen those are the ones I say might eat 40GB easily
22:17 rangi disk is cheap
22:17 rangi get lots
22:18 rangi Ive never heard someone say, 'oh damn, I got too much disk"
22:18 santy_ ok.. as for the zebraqueue tables... has that issue been resolved for 3.8.5?
22:18 tcohen hehe
22:18 santy_ :)
22:18 santy_ (your right... gonna recommend 250 gb disk)
22:19 tcohen that's not what our sysadmins told me when I got a LUN on the storage server with 30TB of free space for
22:19 tcohen some scans :-D
22:19 rangi *sigh*
22:19 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/
22:19 tcohen 10GB average each book
22:20 * rangi fixes some
22:20 santy_ 10GB thats a lot
22:21 jcamins_away rangi: does jenkins not automatically run updatedatabase?
22:22 rangi oh those ones im not worried about
22:22 rangi it was the pod tets
22:22 rangi test
22:22 jcamins_away Yeah, I know which one is worrying. :)
22:22 jcamins I just can't figure out why those are showing up.
22:22 rangi and the one that has been there for 3 months
22:22 tcohen yes santy_, they are master copies of jesuitic material
22:24 santy_ yea too valuable to let time damage it further
22:25 jcamins santy_: run the cron job that truncates zebraqueue every day.
22:25 santy_ tcohen, do you know about that zebraqueue tables getting big problem? ist it fixed?
22:25 santy_ ok cron job
22:25 wahanui i think cron job is only needed for *new* records.
22:26 santy_ just cron job truncating or also changing table engine to myisam?
22:26 jcamins santy_: I thought it defaulted to MyISAM, but just truncating daily should be fine.
22:27 santy_ cool tip
22:27 santy_ thanks a lot to every one!
22:27 tcohen take a look at the script
22:27 tcohen bin/cronjobs/
22:27 jcamins Also, use memcached for sessions.
22:28 tcohen and the example usage in bin/cronjobs/crontab.example
22:28 tcohen (both distributed with koha)
22:29 santy_ I will, I promise you, I will
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22:35 rangi sheesh i hate hardware
22:35 jcamins rangi: I guess you've run into some problems with the hardware at Te Tekare?
22:36 rangi nothing insoluble
22:36 rangi just annoying
22:41 rangi when you scan your card koha sends a message
22:41 rangi that includes how much you owe
22:41 rangi say $2
22:41 rangi the selfcheck machine sees this as fines
22:41 rangi then if i issue a rental item that costs $2
22:42 rangi in the checkout message we send BV2.00
22:42 rangi the self check goes oh, this cost $2
22:42 rangi all good so far right
22:42 jcamins Yup.
22:42 rangi except, you finish and print a slip
22:42 rangi you get 2 lines
22:42 rangi Total fines $2
22:42 rangi Total fees $2
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22:42 rangi ppl go wtf
22:43 martian523 hi, i have run across some problems when searching through the catalog
22:43 rangi do i owe $2 or $4
22:43 rangi whats the diff
22:43 rangi etc
22:43 rangi so im gonna try to get it saying $total owing $4
22:43 rangi with less $
22:44 jcamins Makes sense.
22:45 martian523 i have chinese books in my catalog with chinese title and the transliteration title.  when i click on the chinese title, it shows error 404 came up, but when i clicked on the the transliterated title, it's ok
22:45 martian523 what is this error 404?
22:46 rangi is the url the same for both?
22:46 martian523 An error has occurred! Error 404 This error means that the link was broken and that the page doesn't exist To report this error, you can email the Koha administrator. Use top menu bar to navigate to another part of Koha.
22:47 martian523 one is opac, and one is catalogue, i guess there's a difference?
22:49 rangi yes, what are the biblionumbers?
22:49 martian523 biblionumbers are the same
22:50 rangi one must be a bad url then, what are the actual urls?
22:51 rangi where are you from martian523 ?
22:53 martian523 me? from CA
22:53 rangi cool, just being nosey
22:54 santy_ oh, one question... when will the date/calendar fix be available (version 3.8.5)?
22:54 martian523 the link that has error 404 is[…]iblionumber=22259
22:55 martian523 the link that works is[…]iblionumber=22259
22:55 rangi no idea then im afraid
22:56 martian523 i just see one difference
22:56 martian523 and catalogue/
22:56 martian523 - vs /
22:58 jcamins Try turning off XSLT for the search results.
22:58 jcamins In the staff client only.
22:58 jcamins And what version are you using?
22:59 martian523 3.8.3
23:00 jcamins Yes, turning off the XSLT will fix your problem.
23:01 martian523 what is xslt again?
23:02 jcamins Among other things, it's controlled by a syspref.
23:02 jcamins XSLTResultsDisplay, I think, is what it's called.
23:05 martian523 ok...fix that
23:05 martian523 now i think i'm going back to a problem that i've asked before
23:05 martian523 i have entered the transliterated title in 245, and the chinese title in 880
23:06 santy_ I have to install koha by next week, should I wait for the 3.8.5 release or just go with 3.8.4?
23:06 jcamins santy_: 3.8.4 it is, since 3.8.5 isn't coming out until the end of the week. :P
23:06 martian523 when i searched the catalog, only the transliterated title shows up, and not the chinese title
23:06 rangi you aren't going into production next week are u?
23:06 jcamins santy_: however, the upgrade is easy.
23:07 jcamins rangi: oh my. What an awful thought.
23:07 santy_ ok great
23:07 martian523 what i prefer is to have the chinese title show up instead of the transliterated title
23:07 martian523 is there a way to fix that?
23:07 jcamins martian523: not without development work, no.
23:08 santy_ I was comparing the instalation guides of debian squeeze and ubuntu LTS... why is ubuntuses guide so much longer?
23:08 rangi santy_: you should only install from the packages for production/testing .. and git for development
23:09 jcamins santy_: because the person who wrote the Ubuntu guide liked detail.
23:09 martian523 so if i want the chinese title to show up, i would be better off putting the chinese title in the 245 field?
23:09 rangi <-- follow that
23:09 rangi it works for ubuntu too
23:09 jcamins ^^ that's the one to follow
23:09 santy_ ok ok got it
23:09 santy_ great
23:09 santy_ thx
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23:19 santy_ do you know about any issues for koha running on an operating system (ubuntu) that has a language different than english?
23:20 jcamins santy_: you'll have to translate any error messages you want to ask about.
23:20 santy_ lol good point
23:21 jcamins That said, if you follow the instructions that rangi pointed to, you won't run into any errors that matter.
23:21 jcamins (and probably none at all)
23:21 jcamins Just make sure you use a UTF-8 locale.
23:22 santy_ ok jcamins
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23:43 santy_ thanks a lot everyone for your help and time, good bye hope we meet again soon
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