IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-17

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01:02 Waylon hiya all
01:03 Waylon okay, using the old zebra config of mandumah gives 1011 error, bad user or password. the master zebra config works fine. ive checked the passwd file for both, and they are exactly the same.
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01:06 Waylon anyone have any idea whats going on?
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01:45 mtj Waylon, most likely a typo
01:46 mtj in your confg files
01:47 mtj last nite you had your old zebra configs working, just fine?
01:47 Waylon nope
01:47 Waylon had the master zebra config files working
01:48 Waylon switched back to old zebra config files.. reindexed... error 1011
01:49 mtj heres what i would do then....
01:49 mtj make a git branch
01:50 mtj reset your branch to relevant v3.0.x tag
01:50 mtj copy your zebra mods to it, then save the commit
01:51 mtj switch to your master branch, attempt to cherry-pick your modded commit
01:51 mtj that way, you now have a commit that contains your mod, at least....
01:52 mtj (something you dont have currently)
01:52 mtj ie: you currently have no idea what zebra changes you've made ( i assume)
01:54 mtj and you cant intergrate your changes…. if you dont know what they are in the 1st place
01:58 mtj and if you 'switch' your configs using git, rather than using cp...
01:58 mtj … you also see to see the diff of whats changed between them
01:59 mtj thats a pretty useful bit of info, there...
02:00 wajasu error 1011 bad username/password
02:00 mtj aaah, the many real-world uses of git...
02:01 mtj … saves my stupid ass every day :p
02:02 mtj bad user/password caused by a bad file path? pointing to a bad zebra db?, etc...
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02:07 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:08 mtompset Attempting a fresh netinstall of Debian.
02:08 wajasu hi
02:08 mtompset I couldn't get my last one to do something as simple as "sudo apt-get update" without an error.
02:08 wajasu docmaster testing his instructions?
02:09 mtompset Yes, yes I am. These instructions are going to be da bomb.
02:10 wajasu jcamins told me i should instal/runl zebrasrv as root.  but i told him the INSTALL infers root.  sudo used before the commands.  but i think if we can run it as koha, we should document it.
02:11 mtompset Okay, wajasu... Do you use Debian?
02:12 wajasu I run archlinux.  i run debian in a VM to develop.
02:12 mtompset Because last install, I had to go through a hassle to get sudo to work, because I didn't set a root password, so the root account is disabled by default.
02:13 mtompset Should I just cave and set a root password?
02:13 wajasu in that auto install script, i set a root user/password (koha/koha)
02:14 wajasu the one i pasted the other day.
02:14 mtompset Right. Okay... not disabled it is. Let's try that way.
02:15 wajasu if you have libvirt running under debian, you could probably run my script and watch it all go by.
02:15 mtompset I'm running Windows 7 and virtualbox.
02:15 mtompset Yes, I know. A ridiculed platform.
02:16 wajasu nevermind.
02:19 mtompset Yes, the day after I set up my debian... the sudo apt-get update broke, because something decided to not exist.
02:20 wajasu if you refer to my script, which, you can see which apt-get and repos I set.  i don't know if the preferred whay to install is to use koha-common now.
02:20 mtompset And as I have no idea what to fix, I'm just doing a fresh install today in hopes that it works now.
02:20 wajasu do you have to grant sudo to koha?
02:21 mtompset No.
02:21 mtompset not that I know of.
02:22 mtompset Though, I do recall having to grant cron or at access. Can't recall which.
02:22 mtompset But that was a post-install problem, not an install problem. :)
02:22 wajasu let me look at my VM script.
02:27 wajasu in my preseed.cfg there is a place for account setup that mentions: "Skip creation of a root account (normal user account will be able to
02:27 wajasu # use sudo)."   though i do set the root password to koha.
02:29 wajasu i have:   koha ALL=(ALL) ALL   in my /etc/sudoers
02:32 mtj wajasu, thats a bad bad thing….
02:33 wajasu i put that in my preseed.cfg  because i had issues as well i guess.  I had top chmod +rw the file, edit it, and chmod 0440 afterward.  i believe the file must be secured with the correct permissions  before sudoers will work.
02:33 wajasu i know.
02:33 wajasu its a dev VM.
02:34 wajasu but maybe you can specificy what koha may run as root.
02:35 rangi why would the koha user need to run anything as root?
02:35 wajasu why do we have sudo in INSTALL?
02:35 rangi you dont install with the koha user
02:36 rangi the koha user is who should own the files after install (or some user that does most definitely not have root privileges)
02:36 rangi thats the entire point
02:37 wajasu i usually do make install as root.
02:37 rangi and?
02:37 wahanui hmmm... and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ?
02:37 rangi thats immaterial
02:37 mtompset I have to agree that koha ALL=(ALL) ALL is bad.
02:38 mtompset The point is to limit access for the koha account, not create another hackable point.
02:38 rangi anyway, i have work to do, ill leave you to your madness
02:39 wajasu so the the commands in INSTALL that have sudo before them infer what?  koha has sudo abilites for those commands, OR one should be root .  Maybe we should say "As root:"
02:39 mtompset When a person makes a system, they don't usually create the koha account first. They create their own first.
02:40 mtompset The koha account creation is AFTER.
02:41 mtompset And, from what I can tell, it is only necessary for a "standard" install, which is typically a tarball install.
02:41 wajasu are these instructions for koha-common at all.  If so, I think koha-common creates the koha account in a pre/post install script.
02:41 wajasu 3 years ago i used git.  pulled things as koha.
02:41 mtompset Which instructions?
02:41 mtompset Because perhaps that's a point I need to clarify.
02:41 wajasu the ones you are editing/writing.   I am only looking at INSTALL right now.
02:42 mtompset Link or filename, please.
02:42 wajasu kohaclone/INSTALL
02:42 mtompset That's not the file I am editing.
02:42 wajasu oh
02:43 mtompset I am currently editing[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
02:44 mtompset I have put out INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04
02:44 mtompset but that is tarball install focused.
02:44 wajasu koha-common isn't even something that I consider in production yet.  its not mentioned in the git INSTALLs.
02:45 mtompset No, because there are three kinds of installs:
02:45 mtompset packages (koha-common)
02:45 mtompset git (dev)
02:45 mtompset and tarball (standard)
02:45 mtompset Both git and tarball need to be built.
02:46 mtompset When building git, you normally answer dev.
02:46 mtompset This means it goes into your home directory.
02:46 mtompset There's no need for a koha user.
02:46 mtompset It all runs as you.
02:46 mtompset It's a development system.
02:46 wajasu packages is new to me.   this third way needs to be mentioned in INSTALL as an option.  If its production ready.
02:47 wajasu right.
02:47 mtompset When building tarball (the old way of doing install prior to Koha 3.4)...
02:47 mtompset you answer standard.
02:47 mtompset You need the koha account.
02:47 wajasu the standard install is what i use.   thats all i would know about from the git.
02:47 mtompset Because that is what everything runs as after the installation and everything is set up.
02:48 mtompset I think a standard install from git is possible, but it seems bizarre to mix development with what would normally be in production.
02:49 wajasu there is no wiki in my setup world.  why?  we don't refer to it in the gt INSTALLS.   if something changed in 3.4  i wouldn't know. i'm someone updateing from 3.0 -> 3.10 (i hope).
02:50 wajasu so i go to git. pull code.  read INSTALL.   and have no clue about wiki or koha-common.  i just think that is there is a new way, ie packages, we need to mention it in the INSTALL.
02:50 mtompset wajasu: That's why I was asking my questions on the koha-devel list.
02:51 mtompset Sadly, no one has replied with answers yet.
02:52 mtompset You'll notice that my very first question was about the recommended upgrade path from pre-3.4 to current.
02:53 mtompset Well, archlinux is not a debian-based OS, so you can probably continue to get away with tarball installs.
02:53 wajasu just as a techie, with open source, etc     I would assume a tech, 1) grabs code from git. 2) reads README, and INSTALL, and INSTALL wiith distribution suffix.  If nothing mentions packages, he won't go there, and it might take months to discover their existence.
02:54 mtompset Actually, I would assume:
02:54 mtompset Go to wiki
02:54 mtompset Look for OS
02:54 mtompset Look for Install
02:54 rangi no one does either of those
02:54 rangi they go to or
02:55 wajasu maybe for new gen.   for old gen guys like me, its been  what i wrote since the 1980s.
02:55 rangi heh
02:55 rangi git hasnt existed
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02:55 wajasu git, sv, cvs, zmodem, bbs, whatever
02:55 rangi and why you would install from git not a released version ....
02:56 rangi how old are you wajasu?
02:56 wajasu because its opensource :)
02:56 rangi thats ridiculous
02:56 wajasu 45
02:56 mtompset Okay... but if they go to they are going to get a tarball.
02:56 rangi yeah you dont have many years on me :) so you cant pull the old gen card on me
02:56 mtompset For a debian-based OS, that's an initial mis-step.
02:57 rangi yep, which is why the release notes tell people to use the packages, and when they are in debian proper, ppl will install from there rather than going to either
02:58 wajasu are the release notes in the git kohaclone directory?
02:58 rangi yes
02:58 wajasu well then we are cool then :)
02:58 rangi ppl who are running from git are the .00001% anyway
02:59 wajasu its the root of everything. (though not its distributed :)
02:59 rangi i mean running a non released version in production ...
02:59 wajasu i know folks do that.
02:59 rangi i know they do
02:59 mtompset That percentage will increase as khall's VM images become more popular. :)
02:59 rangi doesnt mean we should encourage that
02:59 rangi yes that's why its a bad idea
02:59 rangi the and VM should run from packages
03:00 wajasu lets write what you said in the install  "It is suggested to..."   because what i did 3 years ago was:
03:02 wajasu pull source.   see install.   spend weeks  pulling deps.   almost bailm and say, this is junk.  but persisted.  ran zebrasrv under root, though i wanted to run it as koha user.  started migrating old lib db to koha "test environment"
03:02 wajasu then folks said, its a go. and there was know time to install over and over with all those cpan deps.
03:03 wajasu plus using VMs was newer then.
03:03 schnydszch if i delete the data in import_records and import_items table, could there be a problem? like it would delete bibliographic records and item records? or any other problems?
03:03 mtompset Okay, good the pages link to the old packages install info under Lucid.
03:04 wajasu because the install did not say "debian" is ...,   i assume any linux/unix would suffice, becuase its perl., so archlinux.
03:04 wajasu but then i got burned after it ran for a year.
03:05 wajasu archlinux update (pacman (rpm/apt-get))  installed perl 14, now its per 5.16.1
03:05 wajasu bam. koha broke.
03:05 wajasu had to rollback crippled. at 3.0.145
03:05 rangi or you could have just cpanned the modules into 14
03:06 wajasu each year, waiting for a version working as well as 3.0.145 to migrate to.
03:06 rangi i have an old 2.2.9 running under perl 5.16
03:07 mtompset Actually, I was wondering if a "Requirements" link to could be added to the page.
03:07 rangi koha itself wont have broken just modules it depends on will no longer by compiled for the right version of perl, and/or installed in a findable path
03:07 wajasu the real problem i found with running perl, groovy, or scripting stuff, is if the OS breaks the perl libs (archlinux was new with perl) and hardly had perl stuff.
03:07 mtj wajasu, if you choose an advanced/expert install on uncommon distros, expect unique problems
03:08 wajasu i did.
03:08 rangi thats why using cpan, if you can use packaged versions of modules, is discouraged .. so on .deb based or even rpm based ones (later centos anyway)
03:08 rangi upgrading perl, would upgrade those modules too
03:08 rangi if you have used cpan, you need to upgrade them yourself
03:09 rangi same as if you had installed them from their tarballs, or because they are opensource, cloned each one and installed from there
03:09 mtj wajasu, i asked people what distro i should use, people recommended debian - ive had a painless install experience ever since...
03:09 rangi there are people running various ranges, even BSD
03:09 wajasu that was the problem.  arch only had like 3 of the deps.  i used a script for the other 50-80+.  later when the dist added packages, they collided.
03:10 wajasu anyway. arch changes too often to be a server.  it better for desktop devel.
03:10 mtj wajasu, if you asked/followed peoples advice , you would have had a painless install expereince too
03:10 mtompset If a "Requirements" link to was added to the page this would provide a preventive step under debian-based OSes. :)
03:10 mtompset (preventitive of tarball installs)
03:11 wajasu oh. you have to remember, that LL stuff was going on, and it confused everything.
03:11 mtompset LL?
03:12 wajasu rangi knows.
03:12 wajasu who, what is koha
03:13 wajasu lime.
03:13 mtj wajasu, what does LL have to do with running a prod koha from git, on archlinux ?
03:13 rangi they might have told him to, sounds like something they would say
03:14 mtompset LL... Okay, clued in.
03:14 wajasu never spoke with them, but the net had links everywhere then, and I didn't know for sure which was koha.
03:14 wajasu i would go with either.
03:14 wajasu i just wanted the source to prove the code worked.
03:15 wajasu the other thing i did after std install was the make test.  i never really got throught them at that point.
03:17 wajasu i had to figure out how to create marc records, write a dump from legacy, import staged, etc.  that took all my time.  i let the user play with the product and never investigated it until it was in production.
03:17 wajasu i hoped to get them moved to a vendor.
03:17 wajasu which i will after 3.10, i hope.
03:18 mtj wajasu, well, congrats on being the 1st person to ever run a production Koha on archlinux
03:19 wajasu for 3 years.
03:19 mtj ….from git, too
03:20 mtompset I can see an INSTALL.archlinux "Why are you even thinking of this?! Are you crazy?"
03:20 mtj me... i just stuck with what the developers recommended, debian
03:20 Waylon im thinking, might be best to examine all the zebra marc setup of old zebra, and make sure the setup is the same in the new zebra config.
03:20 Waylon instead of trying to use this old config.
03:20 * mtompset nods.
03:21 mtj … and now i run from the deb packages… my experience has been smooth and painless
03:22 wajasu i found the debian packages by accident.  i likes the debian packages as well.  my dev VM uses them.  gathering the cpan modules is the beast.
03:22 mtj so in every situation… first ask the advice of people wiser than you
03:23 wajasu there aren't too many out there these days.
03:24 wajasu without the IRC, all one had was INSTALL.
03:24 wajasu the wiki is golden now
03:25 wajasu plus i never could bring myself to run  make upgrade.
03:25 mtompset rangi: Do you know the answers to my 5 questions on koha-devel?
03:26 rangi maybe
03:26 rangi its not a tl;dr mail is it?
03:26 * rangi has limited hours before a big conference nexxt week
03:27 mtompset tl;dr?
03:27 rangi too long; didnt read
03:27 mtompset It's one screen on my computer (19" monitor)
03:27 mtompset Though I think the "great wall of install" may have discouraged you from reading it. ;)
03:30 rangi there quick answer
03:30 mtj … and the words 'hidden' throughtout it
03:32 wajasu i noticed bug 4460 never made it (i posted that in 2010).  and now bug 8679 is in there.
03:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4460 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Amazon's AssociateID tag not used in links so referred revenue lost
03:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove usage of Amazon API
03:33 wajasu not that a labrary would want revenue. if its available.
03:33 rangi never made it because they kept changing their API, and more importantly their T&C
03:33 wajasu i don't mind.
03:34 wajasu its just because the accessid was in the preferences, and it cause us to go get one.  we didn't need it.
03:45 * wajasu reading koha-devel.  no need to send patches to koha-patches list?
03:46 rangi no need, its still nice practice for new ones, don't bother sending signed off ones
03:46 wajasu now i can spend more time on test plan and writing tests.
03:46 rangi also, if i go mad one day and rm -rf the server that runs bugzilla
03:46 rangi you'd be glad they were in the mailing list archives
03:46 rangi in newer git
03:46 rangi you dont even need to do a format-patch
03:47 wajasu you mean i can push?
03:47 rangi git send-email  does it for you
03:47 wajasu gotcha
03:49 wajasu whats the deal with bug 7844
03:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , plack scripts for developers
03:50 wajasu i looked at it.  i wish it would use whatever my KOHA_CONF environment is out of the box/git.
03:51 mtj send a follow-up patch?
03:52 wajasu i can install via cpanm, but does won't need to get plack and other modules as "optional" dependencies?
03:53 wajasu ok followup. suggestion patch.
03:53 Waylon plack not ready for production?
03:54 rangi not even close
03:54 rangi thats why its scripts for developers
03:54 Waylon same answer for nginx?
03:54 rangi nginx is fine
03:54 rangi but you should not what you are doing
03:54 rangi s/not/know/
03:55 Waylon right.
03:59 mtompset KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB environment variables depend on your build.
04:00 wajasu yes.
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04:22 Waylon hmm... comp crashed.
04:29 Waylon hmmmmmmm... old zebra setup has alot of missing attributes from bib1.att.... curious. yet in koha 3.0 it worked fine..
04:31 Waylon does the more attributes in bib1.att, equal more time to index the db?
04:36 Waylon .......... -facepalms- bad password due to bad path.
04:36 Waylon thankyou diff -r.
04:38 rangi 14:00 < mtj> bad user/password caused by a bad file path? pointing to a bad zebra db?, etc...
04:38 Waylon yes.
04:38 Waylon had to diff it to find it.]
04:40 Waylon hmm.. odd.. subject(s) line, the subjects arn't split into a list, but instead, is one link, with lotsa and queries.
04:55 drojf good morning #koha
04:55 Waylon good morning drojf
04:55 drojf hi Waylon
04:58 mtompset Greetings, drojf and sorry for the massive delay in acknowledgement: Waylon. :)
04:58 drojf hi mtompset
05:03 Waylon anyone know why the subject list in Normal view, becomes one long link?
05:03 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
05:03 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 14.0°C (6:42 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
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05:03 mtompset Woo hoo! Kudos go out to my friends in the Computer Science Club at the University of Waterloo in Canada. I can sudo apt-get update!
05:05 mtompset Okay... fresh debian install... let's see what happens.
05:14 Waylon to alter what information gets displayed in search results, and where/how it looks, i edit xslt?
05:16 Waylon xslt?
05:16 wahanui somebody said xslt was a maze of twisty turny passages, all alike. or and the pages at may be useful for learning the basics.
05:17 drojf Waylon: if you have xslt turned on (i think four sysprefs, results and detail for each staff client and opac) then yes
05:17 Waylon right, so all results get delivered, in full, to XSLT?
05:17 Waylon or does one have to actually declare what fields make it to XSLT
05:17 Waylon ?
05:17 drojf but you can also specify visibility options for subfields in your MARC frameworks
05:18 drojf not all fields are in xslt by default, you can add what you like
05:19 Waylon okay, how do i give fields to XSLT?
05:19 drojf what i would do is open the xslt file you would like to edit and have a look there how it is done for fields that are present
05:20 Waylon ah? so koha does infact expose all fields to the XSLT system, and the file picks the ones it needs?
05:22 drojf you can check whether a field is available, check indicators, check subfields and then do stuff with that
05:22 drojf like <xsl:if test="marc:datafield[@tag=777]">
05:23 drojf to see if you have that field
05:23 drojf and then <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[@tag=777]">
05:23 drojf to do stuff for all your 777-fields
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05:25 * drojf is off to the shower
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05:50 cait good morning #koha
05:53 drojf good morning cait :)
05:53 cait good morning drojf :)
05:53 cait are you as tired as me today?
05:54 cait hm as tired as I am?
05:55 drojf no, because i spend a lot of time relaxing yesterday while you had to ride the train for 10 hours
05:56 drojf spent even
05:56 cait make it 11
05:56 drojf did you have a good trip home?
05:56 drojf uh
05:56 cait suicide/accident
05:57 cait somewhere in the black forrest
05:57 drojf omg
05:57 drojf :(
05:57 cait it was a long day
05:58 drojf so much for coming here more often
05:58 cait :)
05:58 cait next time maybe take the plane...
05:58 drojf wouldn't it be better by plane actually?
05:58 drojf heh
05:58 cait :)
05:58 magnuse kia ora #koha!
05:59 drojf hei magnuse
05:59 cait hi magnuse
06:00 magnuse hiya drojf and cait
06:00 cait ups
06:00 cait wrong window
06:06 magnuse nice pics though
06:06 cait hmpf
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06:35 alex_a bonjour
06:35 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
06:37 drojf hi alex_a
06:39 magnuse bonjour alex_a
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06:41 reiveune hello
06:41 wahanui niihau, reiveune
06:43 mtompset Greetings, all who came in and I didn't get around to acknowledging. :)
06:44 * mtompset proceeds into the madness of doing a tarball install on Debian. ;)
06:44 * mtompset notes that this will help with a git install too, so it isn't as evil as it sounds.
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06:47 julian_m hello
06:47 wahanui hello, julian_m
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07:01 gaetan_B hello
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07:07 mtompset Yes, there are files to update. :)
07:07 * mtompset cackles with gleeful madness.
07:09 * mtompset is following Ubuntu tarball instructions on Debian, "How much more wrong can I get?"
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07:19 drojf mtompset: "debian" sounded right, the rest not so much :P
07:28 * mtompset grins.
07:29 mtompset Well, the interesting this is I get to use my script (which I haven't in a while).
07:29 mtompset Turns out there are several dependencies missing in the debian.packages file under install_misc
07:30 mtompset This makes for more commands to do a simple git install (which is something people who wish to develop should be doing)
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07:41 mtompset Hmmm?
07:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #177 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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07:56 kf good morning #koha
07:57 mtompset Greetings, kf.
07:57 kf hi mtompset
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08:04 schnydszch i'm having problem running a perl script specifically rebuild_zebra, i'm getting this error messsage: DBI connect('dbname=__DB_NAME__;host=__DB_HOS​T__;port=__DB_PORT__','__DB_USER__',...) failed: Unknown MySQL server host '__DB_HOST__' (1) at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/ line 758 Unknown MySQL server host '__DB_HOST__' (1) at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/C
08:04 schnydszch how do i fix the problem?
08:07 mtompset What are you using?
08:08 schnydszch koha 3.8.1 on debian
08:09 schnydszch it's a virtual machine actually, i've installed webmin
08:09 schnydszch I tried running the rebuild zebra script in webmin and in command line but I get that error message, what could be the problem?
08:10 schnydszch I didn't do anything with my database
08:13 mtompset Where did you get the virtual machine?
08:15 schnydszch kyle hall's virtual machine
08:16 mtompset I thought he had a newer one which is 3.8.4
08:16 schnydszch oh the previous one
08:16 wahanui the previous one is probably now closed as a duplicate - stick to 6481
08:16 schnydszch that was working ok last week
08:17 drojf wahanui: forget the previous one
08:17 wahanui drojf: I forgot previous one
08:17 schnydszch is there a new one?
08:17 drojf schnydszch: have you checked that mysql-server is running?
08:18 schnydszch it's running
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08:18 mtompset drojf: I think he is running the script from the wrong directory, or something.
08:18 schnydszch at least in webmin
08:18 mtompset those values scream of blib.
08:18 schnydszch the mysql server
08:18 mtompset (prior to installation)
08:19 mtompset is there a /usr/share/koha directory?
08:19 schnydszch no, since kyle hall's different
08:19 mtompset you checked?
08:19 schnydszch i think it's in /home/koha/kohaclone something like that, i'm no linux expert yet..
08:20 drojf i'm sorry i don't know anything about that virtual machine
08:20 schnydszch i've checked
08:20 drojf oh it's a git installation?
08:20 mtompset None of us do, and unfortunately khall is idle.
08:20 schnydszch no /usr/share/koha directory
08:22 schnydszch hours ago, my koha virtual machine hanged when i was editing biblio records, so i stopped the virtual machine, when I run rebuild_zebra -b -a -z I got the errots
08:22 schnydszch errors
08:24 magnuse how do you run rebuild_zebra?
08:24 magnuse which dir are you in when you run it?
08:24 schnydszch in webmin: $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migrati​on_tools/ -b -a -z >/dev/null
08:25 schnydszch in command line /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/mi​gration_tools/rebuild_zebra
08:25 schnydszch Environment variable KOHA_CONF = /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml
08:25 magnuse hm, that should be ok i think
08:25 schnydszch Environment variable PERL5LIB = /home/koha/kohaclone
08:26 schnydszch those were predefined I think but now I got the problem
08:26 magnuse no wait, KOHA_CONF might be wrong
08:26 drojf from the error it seems like it is
08:26 schnydszch where should or could it be?
08:26 magnuse is there a dir called /home/koha/koha-dev ?
08:27 schnydszch yes
08:27 schnydszch should i point it there?
08:27 magnuse yup
08:28 magnuse /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
08:28 schnydszch but there is no koha-conf.xml there.. will try anyway
08:28 magnuse well, if there is no /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml it will not work
08:29 eythian 'locate koha-conf.xml'?
08:30 schnydszch ah okay there is.. /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/blib/K​OHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml
08:30 schnydszch in three directories
08:30 magnuse /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml is the one to use, then
08:33 schnydszch i think it is the rebuild zebra is already running i'm just waiting for it to finish, how could that happen when /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml was working?
08:36 magnuse no idea ;-)
08:39 mtompset Oh...
08:39 mtompset WRONG config file.
08:39 drojf i don't think i like ready-built virtual machines much more than live-cds
08:40 mtompset ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml?
08:42 mtompset drojf, I think this virtual machine is a DEV machine.
08:43 mtompset Does that file I said exist, schnydszch?
08:44 mtompset Oh well... I was probably on the right track.
08:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #177: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/177/
08:45 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 7409 : Missing dependency on DBD::Mock
08:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Missing dependencies for Debian package
08:45 drojf mtompset: it appears to be a git installation. i'm not really sure as to why you would want to give that out ready-made, which to me kind of implies you can use it without knowledge of the system
08:47 mtompset The advantage of a git system is updating it becomes very easy.
08:48 mtompset And less bandwidth consuming than downloading a whole new image.
08:50 mtompset Actually, that bug above, reminds me of a bug I want to post.
08:50 mtompset datetime-timezone is only 1.20, but the minimum is 1.26
08:51 rangi not as easy as the packages, and you can mess up a git installation a lot easier and make it harder to recover than packages
08:51 mtompset I don't know how they got 1.26
08:52 mtompset Well, yes, that is true too, Rangi.
08:53 mtompset Any ideas on how to get DateTime::Timezone 1.26 considering the default repos, including only have 1.20?
08:54 mtompset And I decided to go look at debian repos for items without candidate numbers, and there is a 1.46, but it seems strange to have to go to the repos like this for DEBIAN.
09:02 * drojf goes out to get some sun while it's out there
09:04 * mtompset grumbles, "Good thing I put this section in here about checking the repos for unmarked versions."
09:05 * mtompset grumbles, "Debian. BAH! Just as bad as Ubuntu for installing non-packages."
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09:19 mtj i think Kyle's git VM is to show people how a git koha works
09:20 schnydszch thanks for the help guys.. it is now okay..
09:20 mtj … so they can learn to configure there very own git koha
09:21 mtj if people do goofy things with it, thats not really Kyle's fault
09:34 eythian mtompset: I wonder if the minimum of 1.26 was actually checked for
09:35 eythian I could build higher versions, but it would be better that the versions were real minimums for everybody.
09:35 mtompset It's part of the script.
09:35 mtompset If I'm doing a git install, I still have to run that.
09:35 eythian yes, but is it the real minimum, or is it just what was tested?
09:35 eythian If <1.26 wouldn't do the job, fair enough
09:35 eythian But if it would work fine, then the minimum should be reduced.
09:36 kf hey eythian
09:36 eythian hiya kf
09:37 mtompset I see what you mean, and it would make my life easier. :)
09:38 eythian I've not noticed any issues with the packaged version, but I haven't looked either
09:39 mtompset I went to CPAN... no bug reports for 1.20 ;)
09:39 mtompset ACTIVE bugs.
09:40 eythian @wunder den haag
09:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Green Valley Ranch Golf Club, Denver, Colorado is 8.4°C (3:37 AM MDT on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
09:40 eythian ...
09:40 eythian @wunder the hague
09:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in VOORBURG, Netherlands is 18.2°C (11:37 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
09:40 eythian ...
09:40 eythian @wunder the hauge
09:40 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Teresina Aeroporto, Brazil is 24.0°C (6:00 AM BRT on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
09:40 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.5°C (11:35 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:40 eythian seriously
09:41 eythian I suppose voorburg isn't so far from here
09:41 mtj hmm, this might be a good patch for koha ->[…]ly-using-env.html
09:42 mtj #!/usr/bin/env perl  ?
09:42 eythian mtj: it's in violation of debian policy
09:43 eythian > Perl policy §5.1 states:
09:43 eythian > "All packaged perl programs must start with `#!/usr/bin/perl' and may append such flags as are required."
09:43 mtj eythian, impressive quoting :p
09:45 eythian It was in my email, there was a discussion about it on debian-perl recently :)
09:45 mtj aaah, ok - its all news to me
09:46 eythian mtj: this doesn't mean we couldn't have a debian-specific patch for it if was generally thought to be more agreeable.
09:48 mtj yeah, either/or,  i think it goes on the too-hard pile…
09:48 eythian @later tell dpavlin[…]rt.cgi?bug=687427
09:49 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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10:00 mtompset Now I know what happened yesterday.. my son kicked out the cable!
10:11 drojf mtompset: you just figuered out that you have been working without electricity all day?
10:12 mtompset No. Internet cable.
10:12 mtompset My netbook has wireless and wired.
10:12 mtompset My son kicked out the wired connection.
10:13 mtompset That explains why I found the dsl router falled and my cable disconnected yesterday.
10:13 mtompset fallen... Whatever.
10:17 drojf ah, ok. i would have found the electricity option more fascinating ;)
10:33 kf eythian++
10:33 eythian what'd I do?
10:33 kf funny email
10:33 eythian ah right :)
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10:41 vfernandes hi guys... one request: anyone uses XSLT and MARC21? i'm having a problem with subject search because it only searches the subfield $a.... for example if the subject is Medicine -- Periodicals, I want to search all the subfields and not only "Medicine"
10:41 vfernandes[…]iblionumber=84469
10:42 vfernandes anyone has this modification on the XSLT?
10:43 eythian vfernandes: I don't think the XSLT and the search are related
10:43 vfernandes eythian... the problem is that the a href is built on the XSLT
10:43 eythian oh right, so no the search but the search string
10:44 vfernandes yes.. my bad :)
10:44 eythian I see your issue
10:44 vfernandes maybe someone had already done this modification to the XSLT
10:45 eythian vfernandes: one of our clients has this: https://library.plantandfood.c[…]iblionumber=43440
10:45 eythian which seems to work fine
10:47 vfernandes that's exactly what I want, besides that being a "bad" example because the subject searches redirects to the same record and not gives the impression that being working fine
10:48 vfernandes but the url seems to be well built :D
10:48 vfernandes can you send me the XSLT file?
10:50 vfernandes PS: like the clean look of your OPAC :)
10:50 eythian looking for the file, I'm not sure how it differs from the current one.
10:51 eythian and yeah, it was just an example I grabbed without looking too closely.
10:51 eythian We have a good design team who do our OPACs
10:52 eythian[…]eads/mykoha-3.6.x <-- vfernandes
10:53 eythian keep in mind that this is still 3.6, so it may not work well with 3.8,  but you can probably pull out the bits you want
10:54 vfernandes ok eythian... thank you so much for the help
11:01 jcamins_away vfernandes: there is a syspref you can use to set it to search all subfields.
11:02 vfernandes ok thanks jcamins :)
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11:29 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
11:29 kf good morning jcamins
11:35 magnuse kia ora jcamins
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11:37 drojf good morning jcamins
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11:49 kf bye äkoha
11:49 kf hm #koha
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11:54 mtompset Greetings, nengard.
11:55 nengard morning!
11:55 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
11:55 nengard hmmm
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12:11 slef hi. Is the "don't use the system superlibrarian (kohaadmin as was)" tip on the websites somewhere? Not in the FAQ AFAICS
12:12 jcamins slef: I thought we added it to the FAQ.
12:12 slef
12:12 jcamins You're right.
12:12 jcamins I don't see it.
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12:26 magnuse is there a bug for it? i thought someone was talking about limiting the db user to creating libraries and users?
12:26 jcamins magnuse: someone was, but that hasn't happened yet.
12:27 * magnuse wasn't expecting miracles ;-)
12:28 magnuse Bug 8689
12:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8689 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , disable login via Koha's $database account
12:32 oleonard Hi #koha
12:32 magnuse kia ora oleonard
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12:39 magnuse koha gets a mention:[…]rce-products.html
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12:44 wajasu mtompset:  i always edit koha_perl_deps to have DateTime  as 1.20  and have been running like that since june.  no 1.26 in squeeze.
12:44 mtompset So perhaps it is as eythian though, and the minimum should be reduced.
12:45 mtompset Though, I should grep the code to see what actually uses it.
12:45 mtompset Perhaps there is a way to replace the dependency with something we already have, and thus simplify.
12:46 jcamins mtompset: DateTime is a very core requirement at this point. Removing it is not an option.
12:47 mtompset No, DateTime::Timezone.
12:47 mtompset wajasu didn't type the full name.
12:47 wajasu yes that the one
12:47 jcamins Ah.
12:47 mtompset Debian doesn't have 1.26 by default.
12:47 wajasu i just woke up.
12:47 mtompset It only has 1.20
12:48 mtompset I'll forgive you, wajasu. :)
12:48 mtompset So trying to do a git installation or a tarball install won't work.
12:49 jcamins The solution is to change the minimum version, not introduce subtle new bugs, I think.
12:49 mtompset And the datetime::timezone that doesn't have a candidate number in the repos has too many other dependencies to try to sort out.
12:50 wajasu someone here told me to reduce the version.  some months back. its the best option.
12:51 wajasu i tried to suggest makeing this a bug and fixing it in git in a subsequent release.  maybe they should in 3.10
12:51 jcamins File a bug and submit a patch.
12:51 jcamins We know the change you made works, right?
12:51 wajasu yes. i 've been running like that since June
12:52 mtompset Actually, if I don't find it in use at all in the code, it could be removed as a dependency.
12:52 mtompset Then the problem doesn't exist.
12:55 jcamins mtompset: only if you can prove that it's definitely not required.
12:55 jcamins Which is, unfortunately, much harder than it sounds.
12:55 wajasu i'll make a patch today.  i grepped, I don't see it in master    find . -name "*.*" -exec grep -Hn "DateTime::Timezone" {} \;
12:56 jcamins But we may not be `use`ing it directly.
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12:57 wajasu I'll run my VM create script and create a fresh environment without it, and see what complains
12:57 mtompset C4::Context uses it.
12:57 mtj curious - when was the 1.26 requirement added?
12:57 mtompset DateUtils.t uses it as well.
12:58 jcamins bug 5549
12:58 wahanui rumour has it bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale
12:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans
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13:03 wajasu how do you guys do a historical git search where somethings like DateTime::TimeZone or "1.26" in C4/Installer/ would have shown up?
13:03 wajasu is something like that available in gitweb?
13:03 mtompset Yes, jcamins you grok git good. How search?
13:06 mtj $ git blame -L 204  ./C4/Installer/
13:06 mtj c82d114f (Colin Campbell
13:06 mtj so, colin added those deps...
13:07 mtj ask him why he decided on 1.26 ?
13:07 wajasu i guess, with those hashes on the left, one could find/associate what commit and bug#?
13:07 mtj poss. as a dep of DateTime-0.58 ?
13:08 tcohen morning #koha
13:09 jcamins wajasu: yes, that's how I got bug 5549
13:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans
13:09 jcamins Though I could've told you which bug without checking, actually. ;)
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13:12 wajasu now i remember. eythian is robin :)  the pbuilder expert?
13:12 jcamins Yes.
13:12 eythian since when did I become an expert?
13:12 wajasu who else builds packages?
13:13 eythian jcamins and magnuse have both built packages.
13:13 eythian I'm sure others have too
13:13 wajasu good to know.
13:13 jcamins eythian: since liw left the Debian packaging to you.
13:13 eythian it's designed not to be too much of an ivory tower process :)
13:13 oleonard I'm sticking with expert.
13:14 * liw points at eythian and says "expert"
13:14 eythian aww man
13:14 mtompset But if DateTime 0.58 requires 1.26, then why does 0.61 only require 1.20?
13:14 liw eythian, you have no escape, you're an expert now :)
13:15 wajasu i started to build packages in my debian VM, but i think i needed too much disk space in it, or something.  then someone shoed me the kc repo
13:15 eythian mtompset: probably because they revised the dependencies
13:15 eythian wajasu: it can take a fair bit of disk sometimes.
13:15 jcamins mtompset: there's no point in speculating. Ask Colin.
13:16 mtompset Sorry, but the name is just a name to me. Ask how?
13:16 jcamins Post a note on the bug?
13:16 jcamins Or send an e-mail?
13:16 jcamins I don't think he's on IRC much anymore.
13:18 wajasu the other thing.  when i was building archlinux, i did a grep search/replace script to use #!/usr/bin/env  perl   and things ran fine.  I think i recal finding some rogue perl being called and required a manulal edit though.
13:19 jcamins eythian++
13:19 eythian what'd I do now?
13:19 jcamins wajasu: /usr/bin/perl is required by Debian.
13:19 eythian also there are non-specific security issues.
13:19 jcamins eythian: Recommended against writing a logger from scratch.
13:19 eythian ah right
13:19 eythian I used to live in the java world
13:19 eythian it was a very common thing there
13:20 jcamins eythian: where everyone writes their own loggers?
13:20 eythian yeah
13:20 wajasu slf4j
13:20 jcamins wtf?
13:20 eythian before they discover lig4j or commons-logging or whatever
13:20 * jcamins thinks the Java world must be a very strange place.
13:21 eythian It's usually the defining line between someone with experience and someone without, whether they go and do that.
13:21 jcamins Hehe.
13:22 * eythian wrote one, and then later changed it to all be log4j or whatever it is
13:22 wajasu strong typed dev, with a team  vs dynamic typing annd lots of bugs later and work pushed to QA and tests needed even more.
13:23 jcamins wajasu: I like strongly-typed languages, but it wouldn't even occur to me to write my own logger from scratch.
13:23 eythian oh, actually, apparently I use Java's inbuilt logging system
13:24 eythian which makes a bit of sense I guess
13:24 wajasu most everyone uses  API, and its pluggable.
13:25 jcamins wajasu: yeah, that makes sense to me as the *first* approach would try, not the last. :)
13:26 eythian I think the SDK one is a bit simpler, but if you need fancier stuff later, you can just drop in sfl4j and it'll become the manager for the internal stuff. or something like that.
13:26 * eythian pokes through some java code I haven't looked at since 2009
13:28 khall just finished a new solution for bug 8559, this one should satisfy oleonard. It forces a librarian to either cancel the waiting hold, or revert it to a non-waiting hold when issuing a currently waiting item to a different patron.
13:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8559 normal, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , conflicting item statuses
13:28 oleonard Thanks khall I will test it today
13:28 * oleonard is finishing his follow-up for Bug 7067
13:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
13:28 khall excellent! It should be pretty easy to test.
13:29 khall also good news! Let me know when you post your patch, and I'll give it a test.
13:30 * khall wonder what the record is for most comments on a bug. 7067 has 93 at the moment.
13:30 oleonard khall: 7067 doesn't hold the record, I checked :)
13:30 khall heh, do you know which bug is the current record holder?
13:31 oleonard Bug 5327 holds the record
13:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---,, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
13:31 khall wow, 241. That's impressive.
13:31 jcamins Sure is.
13:31 jcamins Maybe time to open a new bug for that.
13:32 eythian star ratings only made it up to 91 :(
13:32 mtompset Well, email sent off to Colin regarding DateTime::TimeZone.
13:32 eythian I think that 5327 is cheating however, as it's a rolling bug
13:33 wajasu i'm glad your are persuing this mtompset. :)
13:33 khall it would be better to use it as a parent bug with many blocks, but I think that's me wanting to normalize it like a database.
13:33 jcamins khall: no, I think I'm in agreement with you.
13:34 jcamins It gets to be a bit much.
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13:34 jcamins (241 comments much!)
13:34 eythian that's often how we structure things internally
13:34 mveron Hi #koha
13:34 mtompset I thought bugs were supposed to be short, tiny, testable pieces?
13:34 eythian this is a bug about testing
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13:35 wajasu do you guys use that debian unstable repo for things like latter cpan modules?
13:35 eythian no
13:36 eythian I build them myself if I must
13:36 jcamins No, I roll my own packages if I need something on in Squeeze.
13:36 mib_yqrzg1 Hello, where can I find which languages the Koha software is available in?
13:36 eythian translations?
13:36 wahanui translations are always committed on the stable branches
13:36 eythian hmm
13:36 jcamins translate?
13:36 eythian no wahanui, translations is
13:37 jcamins no, wahanui, translations is
13:37 wahanui i already had it that way, jcamins.
13:37 jcamins Oops.
13:37 eythian heh
13:37 jcamins mib_yqrzg1: you can look at that page to see the status of the various translations.
13:37 eythian mib_yqrzg1: that URL is the answer
13:37 khall is there any reason we shouldn't just use cpan minus and put all Koha it's own perl land separate from the OS's? We could then put the deps in the git repo and simplify installation.
13:37 jcamins Is there an echo in here?
13:37 eythian Echo?
13:38 jcamins lol
13:38 khall Echo?
13:38 wajasu ethian.  have you thought about using carton and cpanfile  to build a local::lib  of koha modules?  i can use -L to "contain" everything without using the OS distribution.
13:38 eythian wahanui: echo is <reply>echo#
13:38 wahanui OK, eythian.
13:38 eythian wahanui: echo =~ s/#/?/
13:38 wahanui OK, eythian
13:38 eythian echo?
13:38 wahanui echo?
13:38 jcamins khall: I don't know enough about cpan minus to comment.
13:38 mib_yqrzg1 Thank you. So, if I am understanding it correctly, the Polish version of Koha (to take one example) is in progress but not yet ready to be used?
13:38 eythian wajasu: nope. I just make .deb files and put them in the repo
13:39 khall it's a great tool. I've been using it for catalyst framework based applications.
13:39 eythian mib_yqrzg1: you'd have to have a look, it might well be the OPAC is well translated but the staff client isn't so much
13:39 wajasu i see carton and cpanfile in wheezy.
13:39 mib_yqrzg1 Thank you for your help!
13:39 jcamins mib_yqrzg1: the OPAC is mostly translated for 3.8.x.
13:39 jcamins Staff client, not so much.
13:40 Waylon Is there an echo in here?
13:40 Waylon hmmm.
13:40 mib_yqrzg1 I see. Thanks for explaining it to me.
13:40 Waylon wahanui, Is there an echo in here? =~ s/#/echo in here/
13:40 Waylon Is there an echo in here?
13:40 Waylon okay.. i fail.
13:41 wajasu Waylon: i am thinking of doing my migration form 3.0 to master this week, now that I see your struggles.  I'll keep notes.
13:41 jcamins wahanui: \is there an echo in here is <reply> echo in here#
13:41 wahanui OK, jcamins.
13:41 Waylon cool. but what mods you got to deal with?
13:41 jcamins is there an echo in here?
13:41 wahanui echo in here#
13:41 jcamins wahanui: echo =~ s/#/?/
13:41 wahanui That doesn't contain '#', jcamins
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13:42 jcamins wahanui: \is there an echo in here =~ s/#/?/
13:42 wahanui I didn't have anything matching '\is there an echo in here', jcamins
13:42 jcamins Sorry, Waylon, I tried.
13:42 * jcamins packs up and heads into the city.
13:42 Waylon wahanui, forget is there an echo in here
13:42 wahanui Waylon: I forgot is there an echo in here
13:43 Waylon wahanui: \is there an echo in here is <reply> echo in her
13:43 wahanui OK, Waylon.
13:43 Waylon ahf..
13:43 Waylon wahanui, forget is there an echo in here
13:43 wahanui Waylon: I forgot is there an echo in here
13:43 Waylon wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here?
13:43 wahanui waylon: bugger all, i dunno
13:43 Waylon hahaha
13:43 Waylon wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here\?
13:43 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, waylon
13:43 Waylon wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here
13:43 wahanui OK, Waylon.
13:43 Waylon Is there an echo in here?
13:43 wahanui echo in here
13:44 wajasu this bot reminds me of a program i downloaded off a BBS in 1979 called eliza.  it was a psychologist that prompted conversation.
13:45 Waylon wajasu, how much modding do you need to port to koha master?
13:45 Waylon i have something like 25 mods.
13:45 Waylon wahanui, are you a bot?
13:45 wahanui wish i knew, waylon
13:46 wajasu   wow my memory is in  wikipedia
13:46 eythian wajasu: you'll also find it in the 'help' menu of emacs
13:46 Waylon ah.. not 25.. 16 or so
13:46 wajasu Waylon: custom XSLT, patron images, some javascript for custom cart/list buttons
13:47 wajasu Waylon: removing biblioitems script.
13:47 Waylon ah... not as bad as mine then, wajasu
13:47 Waylon wahanui, version?
13:47 wahanui waylon: no idea
13:48 Waylon wahanui, help?
13:48 eythian wahanui: info
13:48 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
13:48 eythian wahanui: status
13:48 wahanui Since Wed Aug 29 09:23:54 2012, there have been 896 modifications and 255 questions.  I have been awake for 19 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, 39 seconds this session, and currently reference 21198 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
13:48 eythian that's the one
13:48 wajasu no holdings, no circ, no budgets,   just bibs,
13:48 Waylon wahanui, karma for liblime?
13:48 wahanui i haven't a clue, waylon
13:48 eythian @karma liblime
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13:48 huginn eythian: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 13 times for a total karma of -13.
13:49 eythian @karma C
13:49 huginn eythian: Karma for "C" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16.
13:49 wajasu but, there are lots of auths with duplicates  and maybe buggy dups I need to research.
13:49 Waylon ah.. wahanui isn't tracking karma?
13:49 eythian no, huginn does that here
13:49 Waylon @karma php
13:49 huginn Waylon: php has neutral karma.
13:49 Waylon @karma PHP
13:49 huginn Waylon: PHP has neutral karma.
13:49 gmcharlt @quote random
13:49 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
13:49 Waylon php--
13:49 oleonard khall: Follow-up submitted for 7067
13:49 oleonard php++
13:49 oleonard :P
13:49 gmcharlt C++ # gives us speedy and useful things like Yaz and Zebra
13:51 Waylon php is a language that melts brains.
13:52 Waylon okay, im done for night.
13:52 Waylon gnight all.
13:52 Waylon bug 7067
13:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
13:53 Waylon ah
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13:53 * Waylon idly curious.
13:53 Waylon bug 42
13:53 huginn Bug[…]how_bug.cgi?id=42 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, could prompt user to send testing results in
13:54 Waylon hmm.. how... uninteresting.
13:54 eythian bug -1
13:54 eythian aww
13:54 eythian bug 0
13:54 huginn Bug[…]show_bug.cgi?id=0 was not found.
13:54 Waylon bug 1
13:54 huginn Bug[…]show_bug.cgi?id=1 major, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Missing uploadedmarc table definition
13:54 Waylon bug 666
13:54 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=666 major, P2, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Unnecessary use of non-core perl module
13:54 jcamins_away bug 5773 # happy new year
13:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Allow the librarians to specify the search indexes for advanced search
13:54 jcamins_away Nice!
13:54 * jcamins_away really leaves, now.
13:55 Waylon bug 777
13:55 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=777 minor, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, permissions for librarians
13:55 Waylon hmm? indexes for advanced search?
14:01 mtompset OOO.... nasty karma counts.
14:01 mtompset @karma mtompset\
14:01 huginn mtompset: mtompset\ has neutral karma.
14:01 mtompset @karma mtompset
14:01 huginn mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 20 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 19.
14:03 mtompset I thought php was a language written by people with melted brains. ;)
14:05 mtompset Anyways. I'm still recovering from this sore throat and ear ache mess. Better get some regular hours of sleep.
14:05 mtompset Good day (24 hour period), #koha.
14:05 oleonard Exactly. People who like things we don't like are stupid.
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14:06 mtompset melted brains != stupid... smart overloaded. :)
14:07 * mtompset waves.
14:15 tcohen eythian, i'm amazed of your response to that weird paul
14:15 eythian heh
14:15 oleonard eythian++
14:19 wajasu i see my bug 8378 got pushed to master.  yay?   chris said i need to create patch for 3.8.
14:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
14:19 wajasu i can do that.
14:20 eythian @later tell druthb does your migration toolkit stuff handle symphony unicorn?
14:20 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
14:34 * oleonard grumbles that no one added a test plan as a result of his plea for test plans
14:34 oleonard Although khall++ for adding one when asked directly
14:36 * libsysguy sympathizes with oleonard
14:37 libsysguy actually jcamins++ for generally always having a test plan
14:39 oleonard Can someone please explain this syntax to me?
14:39 oleonard ($it->{'author'} eq '') and $it->{'author'} = ' ';
14:40 eythian oleonard: erm
14:40 eythian that's weird
14:40 eythian oh
14:40 eythian no it's not
14:40 eythian if author is '', then make it be ' '
14:40 eythian same as $boolean && do_something()
14:41 oleonard Okay, thanks
14:41 libsysguy that seems like a weird way to do it
14:41 libsysguy or at least not the most obvious way
14:43 oleonard Commit message for that change: " cleaned up. I think you'll like the difference. Less"
14:43 eythian it's a common shorthand, though I think I prefer using && as it looks a bit more distinctive.
14:43 eythian (the precedence differs though
14:44 eythian )
14:44 * oleonard wonders if there was supposed to be more to that commit message
14:44 eythian heh
14:45 * oleonard can't understand why an $author '' should be converted to $author ' '
14:45 eythian I was ignoring that as it was strange
14:46 slef Plack Handbook
14:46 * tcohen is looking for a good soul with .deb-generating skills to provide packages to test Bug 8773
14:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
14:49 eythian tcohen: there was another bug along those lines too
14:50 eythian bug 8774
14:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
14:51 tcohen yes, i've added the dependecy on that bug
14:51 tcohen but I'd like to test it anyway
14:53 tcohen do u know who can help on getting Koha::Contrib::tamil to be packaged?¿
14:53 wajasu i originally tested that bug.  i might take a shot at trying to build a deb package.  i can try.
14:54 tcohen wajasu, it's the same use of koha-index-daemon, adjusted to .deb per instance setup
14:55 wajasu i remember now. i am running debian in a VM.  and to build a deb pacakge pbuilder needs to bootstrap another debian (or chroot) within i think, and i hadn't allocated enought VM disk space, so i bailed. let me see if i can.
14:56 eythian yeah, you should have a fair bit of space
14:56 eythian enough for a minimal debian install
14:56 * eythian has to go, bye all
14:57 tcohen bye eythian
14:59 wajasu i have to do a patch for 3.8 first, so i'll try later today.
15:02 tcohen wajasu: no problem
15:07 reiveune1 bye
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15:20 tcohen anyone, how can I completely reset my pbuild base system?
15:23 jcamins tcohen: sudo pbuilder create
15:24 tcohen thanks jcamins
15:24 tcohen $ sudo pbuilder --create --distribution precise --architecture amd64
15:24 tcohen ?
15:25 jcamins That should work.
15:25 jcamins Wait, without the -- before create
15:25 jcamins It's just sudo pbuilder create
15:25 jcamins (plus whatever arguments you want to pass it)
15:25 tcohen the result would be an overwrite of base.tgz?
15:26 jcamins So far as I understand, yes.
15:26 tcohen perfect
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15:27 tcohen do u know whos responsible of creating perl packages for
15:27 jcamins eythian.
15:27 wahanui i guess eythian is a good influence or located somewhere.
15:31 oleonard Nice to hear eythian is located somewhere.
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15:42 wajasu ahh
15:44 tcohen jcamins, is there a GUI tool for cherry-picking or is it done in command-line?
15:44 jcamins tcohen: command-line.
15:44 jcamins Well, there may be a GUI tool, but I don't use it.
15:45 tcohen i tried gitg
15:45 * jcamins uses git log and a steady hand.
15:45 jcamins :)
15:45 tcohen :)
15:46 tcohen everything a RM needs :-P
15:47 jcamins tcohen: and horse sense.
15:47 jcamins And a cool head and a keen eye.
15:48 wajasu and a horse with no name
15:48 oleonard It takes judgement, brains, and maturity
15:49 jcamins oleonard++ # for getting the reference
15:52 * oleonard learned the song in roundabout way, from a Stan Freberg album on which he does a version
15:54 jcamins Good enough for me. :)
15:59 tcohen i get an error message when applying patch fr Bug 8773 (on friday It didn't cause this trouble)
15:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
15:59 tcohen fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8
15:59 tcohen it is strange that the patch says:
15:59 tcohen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
15:59 tcohen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
15:59 tcohen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
16:00 jcamins tcohen: if you open up the patch in a text editor, you can remove the second Content-Type line, and it will start working again.
16:01 tcohen do u know if it is a bug in git bz? or my own setup?
16:01 tcohen (maybe gmail...)
16:01 tcohen (nevermind, used git-bz, no gmail)
16:01 jcamins No, git does it.
16:01 jcamins I don't know why.
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16:02 jcamins Ooh! Maybe this was one of Cristophe's ancestors! A bookseller in Paris ca. 1789!
16:05 wajasu jcamins: was it that .gitconfig [format]  things that everyone did.  then i found that in newer git versions thats not needed.
16:05 jcamins wajasu: removing that line fixes the problem, and doesn't garble UTF-8 commits?
16:06 wajasu i took headers = "content-Type: ... line out.   so no dups when patches are applied.
16:06 wajasu yes
16:06 jcamins Cool!
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16:06 jcamins You should update the wiki to note that isn't required on recent versions of git.
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16:06 jcamins :)
16:06 wajasu it seems to have been needed in the past, but if you are in a newer git vesion you get dups.
16:06 wajasu that means i need to get a login.
16:07 jcamins Yes it does.
16:07 tcohen jcamins, do u know how to disable tests for building ,debs?
16:07 jcamins Or you can delegate to someone else who is here who can log in to the wiki at present (not me).
16:07 jcamins tcohen: I do not, no. I've always wanted them to run.
16:07 tcohen wajasu, I can login to wiki
16:08 tcohen jcamins, they fail right now, and need to test that patch
16:08 jcamins tcohen: they fail?
16:08 jcamins Oh dear.
16:08 tcohen #   Failed test 'use C4::HoldsQueue;'
16:08 jcamins I think you can skip tests using an environment variable.
16:09 wajasu tcohen: just put a note: that on recent git versions  (, one doesn't need the format headers = content-type line.
16:10 tcohen ok
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16:10 wajasu i'm on version 1.7.12, but if you search the irc logs you will se i had this conversation about this in june or august and i might have mentioned the git version this was fixed.
16:10 wajasu git version
16:11 jcamins tcohen: unfortunately, I can't figure out which environment variable that would be.
16:12 tcohen wajasu, jcamins, ok
16:14 jcamins eythian would know, but he's not here.
16:14 * mveron says hello to cait
16:15 jcamins liw: I don't suppose you know how to make pbuilder skip tests?
16:15 jcamins (when using build-git-snapshot)
16:16 liw jcamins, do you mean how to tell pbuilder to tell the package to not run its build-time tests?
16:16 jcamins liw: right.
16:16 * cait waves :)
16:17 liw jcamins, in that case,[…]bianrules-options specifies the env var to set (DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck), but I don't recall how to get pbuilder to set it (maybe: sudo DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck pbuilder ....)
16:17 cait liw++ :)
16:19 jcamins liw++
16:19 jcamins tcohen: that seems promising.
16:19 tcohen yes jcamins, thanks liw
16:20 liw no worries
16:20 tcohen if it doesnt work I'll empty t/  :-P
16:23 wajasu tcohen: i found the day i had the same discussion with jcamins.[…]g/koha/2012-08-30     no git version mentioned though.
16:24 jcamins huginn: do you warn people you are a bot?
16:24 huginn jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
16:24 tcohen i think is a git bug anyway
16:24 wajasu huginn: when will RDA be ready?
16:24 huginn wajasu: downloading the Perl source
16:25 wajasu huginn: do you know eliza?
16:25 wahanui i think eliza is the one you're thinking of
16:25 huginn wajasu: downloading the Perl source
16:34 tcohen liw, jcamins, it worked
16:34 jcamins Woohoo!
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16:39 * chris_n just could not resist
16:39 chris_n jumping into the melodrama that is :-)
16:40 jcamins lol
16:46 * jcamins wonders if Christophe is related to Andre Croullebois, bookseller at the end of the eighteenth century.
16:47 wajasu tcohen: are you working on the pbuilder for the Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexDaemon? should i try now?
16:47 jcamins Someone from BibLibre: you should ask him. Inquiring minds want to know. :)
16:57 wajasu are there alot of 3.6.x folks deployed.  i wonder if i should attach a 3.6.x patch to the bug as well.  so they can get their overdues notices running again.
16:58 wajasu maybe its not broken in 3.6, so i will forget about that.
16:58 jcamins wajasu: overdue notices are working.
16:58 jcamins (in 3.6.x)
16:59 wajasu ok
16:59 jcamins At least, they seem to be.
16:59 jcamins And I am refusing all e-mail-related patches at this time, since they only seem to cause more problems than they solve. :(
17:00 wajasu what does that mean.  you only pull from bugzilla?
17:00 jcamins No.
17:00 jcamins I mean I won't accept patches that touch Koha's e-mail generating code.
17:00 mbalmer ???
17:01 jcamins Could someone respond to bug 8624 saying that A) I tested it with a standard install initially, but a lot has been pushed since then, B) it's only famfamfam because small changes are better than big ones.
17:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , famfamfam should be outside theme directory
17:01 jcamins mbalmer: it's working now, and has had problems in 3.8.x and master. Why risk importing those problems to 3.6.x?
17:02 mbalmer yes, don't backport bugs, indeed.
17:03 wajasu ok. i'll do a standard install.
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17:05 * jcamins waves to datadoctor, whispers about Koha's theme functionality.
17:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8765 follow-up replace tabs by spaces <[…]21ace0e51597ac308> / Bug 8765 - Add series title to intranet search results <[…]bd37e9eab1317a4bc> / Bug 8713 - Warning message triggered by clicking Keywords to MARC mapping <
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17:12 chris_n jcamins: what sort of problems
17:13 jcamins chris_n: sending baskets entirely stopped working for a while, and I think a change to overdue notices broke some of the placeholders.
17:21 chris_n so sending overdue notices did not break?
17:21 jcamins chris_n: I think it did not.
17:22 jcamins chris_n: but I use 3.6.x exclusively, and my libraries don't circulate.
17:22 * chris_n has been having some issues with od notices on 3.8.3
17:22 jcamins ... or maybe it did break entirely
17:22 chris_n but I'm not entirely focused on ils foo right now, so have not had time to shake it out yet
17:23 chris_n broken_stable--
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17:32 tcohen jcamins,wajasu: did u get my email?
17:33 tcohen oh, jcamins_away
17:33 wahanui i guess jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
17:36 jcamins_away Wow, nice!
17:38 SJeffery Does anyone know why Koha changes the order that Z39.50 results are displayed in depending on the results?
17:39 jcamins SJeffery: I didn't know that Koha did, but I'll speculate that it depends on which server responds first.
17:40 SJeffery Hmm. I suppose that makes sense.
17:40 jcamins Unless you're only searching one server, in which case I am utterly perplexed.
17:41 SJeffery If I search for an OCLC number and have it search two servers, and both return one results, the results are not in the same order each time.
17:41 libsysguy anybody know if the latest version of jquery will be pushed to the stable branches
17:41 libsysguy jcamins, rangi, paul_p
17:41 jcamins libsysguy: no.
17:42 jcamins libsysguy: that is, I know the answer. It will not be.
17:42 * libsysguy just saw that email from oleonard
17:42 libsysguy is it just because only bug fixes get pushed and not enhancements?
17:42 libsysguy ^^ honest question
17:42 jcamins Mostly.
17:43 jcamins And the scope for regressions with a jQuery upgrade from 1.3.2 to 1.7.1 is *massive*.
17:43 * jcamins will allow that he is not rangi, so rangi might have a different opinion.
17:43 jcamins But he doesn't.
17:44 libsysguy we were on 1.3.2 o_0
17:44 libsysguy sweet baby jesus
17:44 jcamins Huge scope for regressions.
17:44 libsysguy we need a bot to pull in the latest stable releases for our releases that include other cod
17:44 libsysguy code*
17:45 jcamins And jQuery is already up to 1.8 something.
17:45 libsysguy think of all the features we are missing out on :p
17:45 libsysguy all those bouncing effects
17:45 datadoctor We just updated our jquery mobile and it broke a lot of our css.
17:46 jcamins libsysguy: if you use bouncing effects in the OPAC, you are dead to me. :P
17:46 wajasu tcohen: saw the email.  thx :)
17:46 libsysguy but how else am I supposed to engage the patrons by having their results use the quad-bounce-flash effect as they come in through my ajax queries
17:47 jcamins lol
17:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6151 follow-up, fix HTML4 coding guideline <[…]2fea174a9ca51f8ae> / Bug 6151 - Followup - Change 'itemnumber' to 'barcode' <[…]b4f2fcd47cf4a7a51> / Bug 6151 - Followup - Display message for failed returns on when retur... <http://git.koha-c
17:47 wajasu jcamins: I am sitting here with 8624 applied as a standard install.  with the SIGNED off patch.  any place/page i can go to confirm a fam icon?
17:48 jcamins wajasu: they're all over. Let me think.
17:48 libsysguy so I just went to rebase my working branch
17:48 SJeffery Wait a minute, we can have bouncing effects? Can we also use the blink tag? I will submit an enhancement request!
17:48 libsysguy guess where the conflicts are
17:48 libsysguy jquery
17:48 libsysguy -_-
17:49 jcamins Oh. XSLT results page.
17:49 jcamins All those little icons.
17:49 jcamins (on the OPAC)
17:49 libsysguy SJeffery please do, I really want some flashing banner adds on the intranet side
17:49 jcamins SJeffery: with a banner going across the top of the page saying "You win!"
17:49 datadoctor now I
17:49 libsysguy ^^
17:50 libsysguy but the add has to be attached to the cursor, so you're forced to click on it.  I'm pretty sure thats only a feature in jquery 1.8
17:50 libsysguy so now we have to upgrade
17:51 datadoctor am thinking it was a relative path problem - maybe the css was conistent between jquery mobile versions -  what do you see as the problem with the xslt results?
17:51 jcamins datadoctor: those are two different conversations.
17:51 datadoctor got it!
17:51 jcamins The XSLT results are where you can find a famfamfam icon.
17:52 jcamins jQuery is just a nuisance.
17:52 jcamins ;)
17:52 jcamins But an awesome one, of course.
17:52 libsysguy hey now, you're hitting a little close to home there jcamins :p
17:52 datadoctor jquery has insinuated itself into everything - is there a website that doesn't use it?
17:53 jcamins datadoctor: ... ones with blink tags? ;)
17:53 datadoctor just like we became dependent on java, until Oracle ate it!
17:53 libsysguy if they don't use jquery they use mootools or scriptilous
17:53 jcamins Maybe.
17:53 oleonard datadoctor: ?
17:53 libsysguy or yui
17:54 datadoctor Yes! YUI is the coolest. I vote for YUI!
17:54 oleonard datadoctor: And jquery hasn't "insinuated itself" into anything. It has become popular.
17:54 jcamins For the record, I really like jQuery.
17:55 libsysguy jQuery +1 from me
17:55 jcamins But changing the API between versions is really, *really* annoying.
17:56 * libsysguy can deal
17:56 datadoctor I'm testing oleonard, I use jquery on all my websites. Nonetheless I think the YUI tools are pretty cool.
17:56 datadoctor I mean teasing...
17:57 datadoctor And I am ++++ for jquery mobile - I think it is very cool!
17:58 libsysguy uses jquery-ui mobile for his drupal site
17:58 libsysguy its fancy
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18:03 jcamins Ooh. A bookplate in a language that might or might not be Greek.
18:04 jcamins With the Russian Imperial seal.
18:04 cait sounds nice :)
18:05 jcamins Perplexing is what it is!
18:06 cait that's what I meant ... ;)I
18:08 jcamins It is Greek.
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18:08 SJeffery Welcome to my world:)
18:09 jcamins SJeffery: Greek is not unusual. What's unusual is that it's using the Cyrillic alphabet and is around the Imperial seal of Russia.
18:09 jcamins Or something that looks remarkably like the Imperial seal.
18:09 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone! I'm looking for a total expert on creating reports in Koha.
18:11 SJeffery Well good, you can handle all of our Greek stuff from now on:)
18:12 jcamins SJeffery: I didn't say I understood Greek, just that it wasn't unusual.
18:14 drojf YoungPublicLibrarian: i heard the wiki is kind of an expert[…]L_Reports_Library
18:16 jcamins Maybe it's the OCS alphabet!
18:16 drojf old church slavonic? (or how that is said in english)
18:16 jcamins drojf: exactly right.
18:16 jcamins I mean, I'm not sure that's what's going on here, but it seems possible.
18:18 cait :)
18:18 * cait waves
18:18 cait sounds like an interesting find
18:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #836: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/836/
18:18 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7991: Add itemcallnumber into the serial collection tab
18:18 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 4491: fix weird code in search scripts
18:18 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 4491: FIX buildQuery if called with an empty limit
18:18 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8705: Software error on help of main page
18:18 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8714 - Poorly ordered and triggers warning in
18:18 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7690: hidelostitems not working in Normal Display
18:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7991 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display in a holding summary tab informations about serial record
18:18 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8727 Minor stylistic change to help text
18:18 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8713 - Warning message triggered by clicking Keywords to MARC mapping
18:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4491 trivial, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cleaning some weird code in *
18:18 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 8765 - Add series title to intranet search results
18:19 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8765 follow-up replace tabs by spaces
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8705 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Software error on help of main page
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8714 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Poorly ordered and triggers warning in
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7690 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , hidelostitems not working in Normal Display
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8727 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Correct help text in
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8713 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Warning message triggered by clicking keyword to marc mapping.
18:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8765 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add series title to intranet search results
18:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #837 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
18:20 drojf i thought i saw cait waving, but then this huge, loud jenkins-huginn-train drove by
18:20 jcamins lol
18:20 cait lol
18:20 cait how is your head?
18:21 drojf better. how are you?
18:21 cait also better
18:21 cait waiting for a baking pumpkin :)
18:21 drojf so they did not poison us :D
18:21 cait hm it still might be ;)
18:22 drojf jcamins: ocs looks fancy
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18:23 drojf hm
18:24 drojf i guess my wireless cable fell out
18:24 tcohen do we have nightly master .deb packages? I mean, is anyone able to build .deb packages from master?
18:24 bag good morning :)
18:24 YoungPublicLibrarian The only problem with that link, drojf, is that some of the reports there don't work the way they are described to work...
18:24 jcamins tcohen: no, I don't think we do.
18:24 tcohen debian/rules failed in several lines
18:25 jcamins tcohen: spaces instead of tabs?
18:25 jcamins I keep on trying to fix that.
18:26 tcohen no, missing files on cp or rm -r
18:26 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: the report you were looking at was written by khall. He may be able to help you refine it to do what you want, since he has access to your system.
18:26 jcamins tcohen: really? What files?
18:26 tcohen install -m 0644 koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui/skin.css I think
18:27 tcohen rm -r \
18:27 tcohen $(TMP)/usr/share/koha/opac/htd​ocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui
18:27 jcamins Hmm.
18:27 tcohen i don't have enough scroll lines
18:27 jcamins I guess we need a follow-up for that.
18:28 tcohen are there patches for that?
18:28 jcamins I didn't realize that debian/rules had a special set of instructions for installing YUI.
18:28 tcohen bug #?
18:28 wahanui i guess bug # is there
18:28 jcamins No.
18:28 jcamins Never saw that issue before.
18:28 jcamins @query yui
18:28 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin
18:28 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8290 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace Greybox library with jQueryUI Dialog
18:28 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI
18:28 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins
18:28 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
18:28 jcamins @more
18:28 huginn jcamins: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
18:28 oleonard Bug 5024?
18:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins
18:29 jcamins No, this would be a follow-up to bug 8623.
18:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
18:29 jcamins Also, bug 5024 should probably be fixed.
18:30 jcamins Wow... that's... different.
18:31 jcamins (looking at the way we install YUI using packages)
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18:33 * tcohen finds disturbing that he can't build deb packages even when using DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck
18:33 koyauni hello koha!
18:34 jcamins tcohen: well, debian/rules is failing. It's not a test. That's the actual build process.
18:35 koyauni We are new user of Koha for our university Library, it has multi lingual records, but the search is giving accurate result in English only,
18:35 jcamins If you change the yui lines to refer to the new yui location, that might fix it.
18:35 jcamins I can't test that now.
18:35 koyauni when you search in Arabic it always shows the same records, any idea how this can be fixed please
18:36 jcamins Plus, the Solr dependencies can't be built on Squeeze, so I wouldn't be able to test anyway.
18:36 tcohen link to the new yui libs?
18:36 jcamins koyauni: you need to activate ICU. I am not sure if there are instructions you could easily follow.
18:36 jcamins icu?
18:36 wahanui icu is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra
18:36 tcohen path?
18:36 wahanui i heard path was set in C4/
18:37 jcamins tcohen: koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/lib/yui and koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/yui
18:37 koyauni where do I find this ICU
18:37 wahanui ICU is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra
18:38 koyauni I thought Koha is UTF8 enabled and language would not matter
18:38 jcamins koyauni: you have to configure it by editing the configuration manually. Unfortunately, it is a bit involved.
18:38 koyauni
18:39 koyauni if I find instruction I might be able to do it
18:39 tcohen mmm, koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/yui is not on master yet
18:39 jcamins tcohen: really? I didn't actually check whether the patch I was thinking of had been pushed or not.
18:40 jcamins Possibly this is not the issue after all, then.
18:40 tcohen (fixed debian/rules for opac at least, trying again)
18:45 wajasu jcamins: you know that idea i mentioned about the composable search plugin.  what really fueled it was, when cataloging, a search for a bib is not immediately available(against zebra).  so if we find no results, we could have a secondary search query directly against some of the database fields.
18:46 jcamins wajasu: but that would mean maintaining an additional set of search routines, which is not something we want to do. ;)
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18:47 tcohen wajasu, just use my patches you signed, and change the interval to 10''?
18:48 wajasu yeah. thats sufficient.
18:49 wajasu tcohen: after i look at this famfamfam patch, do you still want me to try the pbuilder for Koha::Contrib::Tamil?
18:49 tcohen you mean my patch? or creating .deb packages for Koha::Contrib::Tamil?
18:50 wajasu creating the .deb packages
18:50 tcohen if you're talking about bug 8773 hold on
18:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
18:50 tcohen as building the packages for testing that patch is currently broken
18:52 wajasu ok
18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Thank you jcamins!
18:54 koyauni there is setting in Home › Administration › System preferences › Searching preferences for ICU, but it says that ICU should be enabled, do you think a installation by koha-common would have the this enabled
18:55 jcamins koyauni: it is not enabled by default. As I said, configuring it is rather involved.
18:55 koyauni :( is there any instruction around I can follow please
18:56 jcamins Probably, but I don't know of any off the top of my head.
18:57 tcohen jcamins, should I send a folowup for bug 8623 to fix that debian/rules file?
18:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
18:57 jcamins And I'm not going to suggest you try instructions that I don't know for sure are good, because you'd end up in a much worse situation.
18:57 jcamins tcohen: yes please.
18:57 tcohen both previous patches are pushed, and should i obsolete them?
18:57 jcamins tcohen: make sure you include instructions for building packages for master (how you skipped the tests, and any other gotchas you encountered).
18:57 jcamins Yes please.
18:59 oleonard Bootstrap's UI widgets offer a compelling alternative to YUI buttons and menus (not to mention jQueryUI's)
19:00 jcamins oleonard: mtj was doing a proof of concept with bootstrap.
19:00 oleonard For the OPAC I think.
19:00 jcamins oleonard: does that mean I'd lose my sortable? :(
19:01 oleonard jcamins: Only if we decided to dump jQueryUI in favor of all Bootstrap
19:01 oleonard Right now we've got jqueryUI and YUI, we might do jqueryUI + Bootstrap
19:02 oleonard At least Bootstrap is being actively developed, unlike YUI, and has working menus, unlike jQueryUI
19:03 * oleonard hates to add yet another different library but we should use what works
19:03 jcamins Sounds good to me.
19:03 jcamins Especially ditching YUI.
19:04 cait oleonard: bootstrap has menus? :)
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19:05 oleonard It has lots of stuff.
19:05 jcamins After the 3.12 elections are over, we should pick up the discussion about GPL3+ again.
19:05 cait yay :)
19:05 cait jcamins: sounds good to me
19:06 jcamins Then we could potentially switch from YUI to bootstrap. :)
19:06 oleonard Right because right now we couldn't use Bootstrap because of the license?
19:06 jcamins Exactly.
19:06 cait oh?
19:07 jcamins But there is nothing in the way of us upgrading to GPLv3+, now that SIPServer has been relicensed.
19:07 jcamins cait: Apache 2.0 and GPL 2 are incompatible.
19:07 cait ah
19:07 cait one more reason to revisit the discussion soon
19:07 cait what is the procedure for updating?
19:08 cait do we have to get all developers to agree or can we update gpl a bit easier?
19:08 oleonard Bicker about it for several months, do nothing.
19:08 jcamins lol
19:08 jcamins oleonard seems to understand the procedure.
19:08 cait and then return to it a year later and repeat?
19:09 jcamins Hopefully we'll be able to agree.
19:09 oleonard Actually it should be simpler now if we don't include "stick it to Liblime" as one of the main goals
19:09 oleonard (though doing that would be a bonus)
19:09 cait stick it to liblime?
19:09 oleonard punish them
19:10 drojf +1 for punish :P
19:10 jcamins oleonard: as I recall, the only substantial objection was SIPServer's license, and and that has been relicensed to 2+.
19:11 tcohen jcamins, what should be done with those solr files that break the build process??
19:12 jcamins tcohen: I don't know. I have been wondering that ever since they were pushed.
19:12 tcohen they look like might be installed in /etc/koha
19:12 koyauni jaxmins: can this one be the solution please
19:12 tcohen but don't know if they need to be installed in koha/sites/<site>
19:12 koyauni[…]guage%20searching
19:13 jcamins koyauni: I do not know, and I am not going to encourage you to do something that might break your system.
19:13 wajasu jcamins: ok i turned on the XSLT with "default" and see the BK.png in my details in opac and staff client.  goning to just add a comment (no signoff needed) right?
19:13 jcamins wajasu: right. :)
19:14 jcamins tcohen: maybe add those files to debian/rules and stick them in /etc/koha/[whatever their path is in the repo]?
19:14 koyauni then it will not be easy
19:15 jcamins koyauni: no, it will not.
19:15 jcamins It's not that the changes are inherently hard, but they do have to be done correctly, and it would be very easy to mess up other things.
19:16 tcohen anyone from biblibre?
19:17 jcamins tcohen: here's a thought for a temporary solution: just delete those files in debian/rules
19:17 tcohen ok, i'll do it
19:18 tcohen is there a bug for that?
19:19 jcamins No, I never even got that far in the build process to get that error.
19:20 jcamins The one time I tried building packages on master, it failed before it started because the Solr dependencies can't be installed.
19:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #837: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/837/
19:25 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6151: Add AllowReturnToBranch system preference
19:25 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up DBREv & removing useless `
19:26 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 6151 - Followup - Display message for failed returns on when returning via issues table.
19:26 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 6151 - Followup - Change 'itemnumber' to 'barcode'
19:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in
19:26 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up, fix HTML4 coding guideline
19:26 koyauni this Koha community page is not active is it? I have created membership, and when I log in, all I can see is WorkPress member area,
19:26 jcamins koyauni: what?
19:27 jcamins Why are you trying to edit the website?
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19:33 oleonard Wow, Bootstrap widgets are REALLY easy to use.
19:34 cait :)
19:34 cait yay :)
19:34 oleonard Definitely worth another 120K of assets, especially if we're dropping YUI for it
19:34 jcamins Yay!
19:35 cait 120k of assets?
19:37 rangi Morning
19:37 rangi Hehe that joke fell flat
19:37 tcohen hi rangi
19:38 oleonard cait: Bootstrap js: 25KB, bootstrap CSS: 96KB
19:38 oleonard And the CSS can be slimmed down because we don't need all of it
19:39 oleonard rangi: ?
19:39 rangi Eythian's joke
19:40 koyauni no I want to just post a question see if anyone can help
19:40 koyauni
19:40 jcamins oleonard: looks like bootstrap is a lot smaller than YUI.
19:40 rangi What's the license on bootstrap?
19:40 jcamins rangi: Apache 2.0.
19:40 jcamins koyauni: answers on the website are not answered.
19:40 jcamins Use the mailing list.
19:40 cait good morning rangi :)
19:40 koyauni but it does not have that option do it, I mean it is not a forum I guess
19:40 jcamins *questions on the website
19:40 jcamins No, it's a website.
19:40 rangi Cool that's compatible
19:40 jcamins rangi: only with GPL3/3+.
19:40 rangi Yep
19:41 koyauni <jcamins> there is not community base forum for koha then
19:41 oleonard The mailing list is that koyauni
19:41 jcamins koyauni: there is a mailing list.
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19:42 * rangi is off to get a rental car then to Levin
19:42 rangi Te takere opens soon
19:42 koyauni jcamins do you think there will be an answer to my issue or this room is the best I get on koha
19:42 rangi Testing hardware
19:43 jcamins oleonard: looks like JS for YUI is ~212kb, and CSS is ~89k.
19:43 jcamins koyauni: you should send a message to the mailing list. Perhaps someone else will have done it recently.
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19:44 koyauni ok I try
19:44 jcamins But understand you may not get an immediate response. All the people in the Koha community who help out are doing it for free.
19:44 * tcohen needs an ssd on his workstation to test .deb building without freaking out
19:45 jcamins tcohen: hehe. It does take a while.
19:46 tcohen do u know how many GB does the pbuilder stuff need for building Koha?
19:46 tcohen maybe i'll try with a tmpfs
19:46 jcamins tcohen: I am not sure, no.
19:46 jcamins I'd like to set it up building on tmpfs when I get my new server... at least until I need the spare RAM for other things. :)
19:47 wajasu i tried it with a 6GB VM (why because i had 12GB RAM).  but can't recall what i ran into.
19:47 wajasu on tmpfs.
19:48 tcohen we bought some 128GB servers last month, if they're not full of VM right now i'll ask for some RAM for testing
19:49 tcohen wow, I got the .debs finally
19:50 jcamins tcohen: I have my laptop e-mail me when the build finishes, it takes so long.
19:50 rangi Maybe after we finish dealing with lawyers over spurious trademarks we can revisit joining spi, then have a way to handle donations and set up a build farm :-)
19:50 koyauni is nit better to create a google group forum for Koha,
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19:51 drojf no google please
19:51 drojf for anything
19:51 rangi Hmm 20 mins on my desktop
19:51 jcamins koyauni: we already have mailing lists.
19:51 koyauni so people can share experiences
19:51 jcamins mailing lists?
19:51 wahanui mailing lists are at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
19:51 jcamins koyauni: ^^ look there.
19:52 jcamins rangi: they tell me that current desktops are superior to 2yo laptops. ;)
19:52 koyauni I got that, already member, but got lost already :(
19:53 jcamins koyauni: it's very simple. You send an e-mail to the list, everyone who subscribes receives the e-mail, and anyone who wants to can respond.
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19:54 rangi There are searchable archives linked from that page too
19:55 rangi For building could fire up a beastly ec2
19:55 rangi Build then shut it down
19:56 jcamins rangi: yeah, I've thought about that. It's one of those things that is permanently on my to-do list but never at the top.
19:57 rangi Yep
19:57 rangi Opensuse have a build farm
19:58 rangi Could maybe use
19:58 rangi Ok my stop gotta get the rental
19:58 jcamins Have a safe trip.
20:00 wajasu jcamins: just for the record.  when i was testing the famfam patch, i noticed the suggestion HASH() showing.  did you already address that in another bug?
20:00 jcamins wajasu: yes.
20:00 wajasu ok
20:00 jcamins wajasu: I think you signed off on it, too. :)
20:01 wajasu its probably not on master yet
20:01 jcamins Right.
20:02 wajasu so i looks like tcohen got debs.
20:03 tcohen two fixes for bug 8233 and bug 8623 to get them
20:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
20:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
20:03 oleonard Bye #koha
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20:04 jcamins tcohen++
20:04 tcohen damn
20:04 tcohen i was testing the ,deb building oricess
20:04 tcohen process
20:05 jcamins tcohen: that's good. :)
20:05 tcohen so, I didn't get MY debs (for bug 8773) but just master ones
20:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
20:05 jcamins Oh. Oops. :/
20:05 tcohen so, my hands are empty and gotto leave!
20:05 tcohen hehe
20:05 tcohen maybe tomorrow
20:05 wajasu i'm off the hook then
20:05 wajasu time to write tests
20:06 tcohen wajasu, i'll bring you the packages tomorrow
20:06 tcohen bye #koha!
20:06 wajasu i will need a repo to pull them from
20:06 wajasu i don't have a local one.
20:06 tcohen we'll figure it out
20:06 wajasu ok
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20:38 tcohen @search yui
20:38 huginn tcohen: There were no matching configuration variables.
20:39 jcamins @query yui
20:39 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin
20:39 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8290 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace Greybox library with jQueryUI Dialog
20:39 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI
20:39 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins
20:39 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
20:39 tcohen i'm at home and wanted to get that .debs built
20:39 tcohen he
20:40 jcamins Hehe. I'll get the bug number for you.
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20:41 bag wb sekjal
20:41 sekjal hi, bag
20:41 jcamins Bug 8623.
20:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
20:45 jcamins Hi there, sekjal. How's UMass? :)
20:45 sekjal jcamins: bumpin'.  all the students have swarmed back
20:46 sekjal and speaking of swarms, all evening activities are cancelled due to West Nile and East Equine Encephalitis risk
20:46 jcamins Uhhhh... really?
20:46 wahanui Of course!
20:46 jcamins Wow.
20:46 jcamins That's different.
20:46 sekjal 4 cases of EEE so far
20:46 jcamins Yikes!
20:47 sekjal hopefully we'll get our first hard frost soon
20:47 bag wow
20:47 jcamins Reasons 1 and 2 to not move to Massachusetts: West Nile virus and East Equine Encephalitis.
20:48 bag enh west nile is not that big a deal to us - but to younglings and oldlings - it is
20:48 bag it's like the flu for us
20:48 bag us being middle aged decently healthly people
20:49 bag now EEE that's a different issue
20:49 jcamins I have to tell you, those two things were not issues that I had previously considered.
20:50 bag oh west nile - most of the mosquitos on the east coast have got it (well most = high percentage)
20:50 bag I used to study birds - pre koha - and a west nile study was one that I was invovled in
20:50 jcamins Huh. You learn something new every day.
20:51 bag we studied mosquitos - near bird nests in maryland…
20:52 bag Basically always be careful of misquitos biting you - if you're going into a mosquito area - wear some bug repellant  :)
20:53 jcamins That I knew. I am a mosquito magnet.
20:53 bag oh sorry
20:53 bag Sonja is one too
20:53 bag she's sweet ;)
20:53 bag so I guess that means you're sweet too (heh) ;)
20:54 jcamins Yeah, though I'm growing out of it as I age. :P
20:55 * sekjal still gets devoured
20:56 sekjal thankfully, I've got a pretty good immune system
20:56 sekjal anyway, I've got to get to my bus.  just wanted to pop in and wave "hi"
20:56 * sekjal waves
20:57 jcamins Hi!
20:57 bag sekjal should be required to sign in here more :)
20:58 jcamins Hehe. Agreed.
21:14 wajasu what does "PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE)" mean. Though it says pushed to master.  bug 6130
21:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6130 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, henridamien, Pushed to Master , Letters: Fixing Subject encoding
21:16 jcamins wajasu: it means do not use that status.
21:16 jcamins Oh, on an existing bug?
21:16 tcohen wajasu, can I provide u with a koha-common*.deb  file for you to test?
21:16 tcohen (once I get it created)
21:16 wajasu i wonder if bug 4420 is a dup.
21:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4420 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , umlauts or diacritics in subject of notices are deleted
21:16 jcamins That means the patch predates the creation of the "Needs signoff" etc. statuses.
21:18 wajasu the reason i am looking at these is because when if fixed bug 8378  i think i addressed NFC coding and display of email subject/header fields  and also the attachment filenames, so one can have unicode diacritics in them too.
21:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
21:18 jcamins They may well be obsolete.
21:19 jcamins If they are, mark them as resolved.
21:19 wajasu i guess i can just try master and send diacritics, then mark them resolved.  ok then.
21:22 wajasu tcohen: sure.  i just haven't installed debs directly.  can i use agt-get or such?
21:22 tcohen dpkg -i <file>
21:22 wajasu ok
21:22 jcamins wajasu: use dpkg -i ${file}
21:22 wajasu let me know
21:24 tcohen
21:27 wajasu so i assume you want me to install the koha-common and the koha ones.
21:27 wajasu .deb
21:27 tcohen just koha-common
21:28 tcohen right jcamins?
21:28 jcamins Yup.
21:28 tcohen (i'm not a packages expert at all)
21:28 wajasu can i do it on a VM that already has koha-common installed, or a fresh VM?
21:28 * jcamins was actually typing "Just koha-common" when tcohen said it, but thought that repeating him was silly.
21:28 jcamins wajasu: it will replace the current version of koha-common.
21:28 tcohen don't try it on your production server hehe
21:29 wajasu i'm creating a new VM.  give me a few minutes
21:30 tcohen hmm, dependecies, try installing koha-common from the repo first so it pulls all the deps
21:32 wajasu my vm build script applies the kc koha-common.  so after the first boot, i will transfer your deb into the VM and try to apply it.
21:32 tcohen and u need to cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil too
21:32 tcohen !!
21:33 wajasu whats in your koha-common?  i thought it was the Tamil stuff?
21:33 wajasu oh. you are just getting the init script into koha common
21:35 tcohen it can be done (including tamils code into koha)
21:35 tcohen i was not sure what was the best
21:35 wajasu i thought you were going to build a  Koha::Contrib::Tamil  .deb  for putting into the repo
21:35 tcohen bug 8774
21:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
21:36 tcohen that's another bug this depends on
21:37 wajasu if its separate, later if we want to use plack as a server, that talks to zebra, it might be easier if its a separate package.
21:37 wajasu ok lets get through this one.
21:37 wajasu i'll cpan it
21:37 wajasu give me 20 min
21:39 jcamins Definitely better to keep the Tamil indexer in a separate package.
21:43 * wajasu debian net install in VM running...base...core...
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21:53 tcohen wajasu, did u make it work?
21:57 * wajasu 90% done creating VM and installing base software...
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22:04 * wajasu the VM build is taking longer because i put the deps for pbuilder in.  its installing perl modules... 92% done
22:13 * wajasu vm created.  booting, then will transfer deb into VM with ssh, then dpkg -i it...
22:14 * wajasu on phone with client so stalled.
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22:15 tcohen wajasu: WAIT
22:15 tcohen I had a typo
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22:15 tcohen i can't belive i had just one typo :-D
22:23 tcohen wajasu, please download the new koha-common package first
22:32 * tcohen waves happily as he's got bug 8773 ready for testing
22:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
22:32 tcohen bye #koah
22:45 * wajasu off phone now. i'm downloading your new one.
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23:36 melia are the attendance numbers for past KohaCons anywhere?  I looked on the wiki but maybe not in the right place...
23:38 jcamins_away melia: they should be, but I think they are not.
23:38 melia ah well. thanks jacmins_away :)
23:39 jcamins_away khall or talljoy might be able to tell you approximately how many people were at the last KohaCon.
23:39 talljoy i just filled her in.
23:40 wajasu jcamins: i ran tcohen's koha-common but got an error for about every line of code it hit.  1st i had a libtext-unaccent-perl that it needed.
23:41 jcamins wajasu: you're going to run into lots of errors because Master\'s dependencies can't be installed on Squeeze.
23:41 wajasu do you think it uninstalled all original koha-common, and then had missing deps?
23:41 wajasu ok
23:42 jcamins If you run apt-get install it will install the missing dependencies that it is able.
23:43 jcamins (`apt-get install`)
23:43 jcamins Or maybe it's `apt-get -f install`
23:44 wajasu ok
23:45 wajasu it finishes that quick and starts the koha-common   (see bug 8773  " initial test...." attachment
23:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
23:46 jcamins Does anyone have any ideas what to do with 1.5 pecks of apples, if you're not someone who is terribly fond of eating raw apples (and if you are getting another peck of apples in two days)?
23:46 wajasu i ran koha_perl_deps and had none missing that were required.
23:46 wajasu apple pie
23:46 wajasu apple sauce
23:47 jcamins wajasu: oh, you didn't go through the web installer.
23:47 wajasu no. i'll try.
23:47 jcamins That's all.
23:47 jcamins You can giignore those errors.
23:48 jcamins Blargh.
23:48 jcamins *ignore
23:49 jcamins I'm thinking massive volumes of apple crisp.
23:50 wajasu do i have to have KOHA_CONF set up
23:51 jcamins Here we go.
23:51 jcamins 8lbs apples. :)
23:51 jcamins No.
23:51 jcamins Or, you shouldn't.
23:51 jcamins If you do, the patch doesn'twroork.
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23:53 wajasu this VM already has koha-common installed and everything ready at boot.  i just usually hit the webinstaller and init the db.  but what i did was cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil and then dkpg -i koha-common
23:54 wajasu it stared unpacking the old (possibly uninstalling the original one), then had an error, missing libtext-unaccent-perl, so i apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl, and after that installs it automatically retries the new koha-common.
23:55 wajasu the webinstaller/login page comes up.
23:57 wajasu drop this.  the day is over for me.
23:57 wajasu thx.

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