Time  Nick                 Message
23:57 wajasu               thx.
23:57 wajasu               drop this.  the day is over for me.
23:55 wajasu               the webinstaller/login page comes up.
23:54 wajasu               it stared unpacking the old (possibly uninstalling the original one), then had an error, missing libtext-unaccent-perl, so i apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl, and after that installs it automatically retries the new koha-common.
23:53 wajasu               this VM already has koha-common installed and everything ready at boot.  i just usually hit the webinstaller and init the db.  but what i did was cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil and then dkpg -i koha-common
23:51 jcamins              If you do, the patch doesn'twroork.
23:51 jcamins              Or, you shouldn't.
23:51 jcamins              No.
23:51 jcamins              8lbs apples. :)
23:51 jcamins              Here we go.
23:50 wajasu               do i have to have KOHA_CONF set up
23:49 jcamins              I'm thinking massive volumes of apple crisp.
23:48 jcamins              *ignore
23:48 jcamins              Blargh.
23:47 jcamins              You can giignore those errors.
23:47 jcamins              That's all.
23:47 wajasu               no. i'll try.
23:47 jcamins              wajasu: oh, you didn't go through the web installer.
23:46 wajasu               apple sauce
23:46 wajasu               apple pie
23:46 wajasu               i ran koha_perl_deps and had none missing that were required.
23:46 jcamins              Does anyone have any ideas what to do with 1.5 pecks of apples, if you're not someone who is terribly fond of eating raw apples (and if you are getting another peck of apples in two days)?
23:45 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
23:45 wajasu               it finishes that quick and starts the koha-common   (see bug 8773  " initial test...." attachment
23:44 wajasu               ok
23:43 jcamins              Or maybe it's `apt-get -f install`
23:43 jcamins              (`apt-get install`)
23:42 jcamins              If you run apt-get install it will install the missing dependencies that it is able.
23:41 wajasu               ok
23:41 wajasu               do you think it uninstalled all original koha-common, and then had missing deps?
23:41 jcamins              wajasu: you're going to run into lots of errors because Master\'s dependencies can't be installed on Squeeze.
23:40 wajasu               jcamins: i ran tcohen's koha-common but got an error for about every line of code it hit.  1st i had a libtext-unaccent-perl that it needed.
23:39 talljoy              i just filled her in.
23:39 jcamins_away         khall or talljoy might be able to tell you approximately how many people were at the last KohaCon.
23:38 melia                ah well. thanks jacmins_away :)
23:38 jcamins_away         melia: they should be, but I think they are not.
23:36 melia                are the attendance numbers for past KohaCons anywhere?  I looked on the wiki but maybe not in the right place...
22:45 * wajasu             off phone now. i'm downloading your new one.
22:32 tcohen               bye #koah
22:32 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
22:32 * tcohen             waves happily as he's got bug 8773 ready for testing
22:23 tcohen               wajasu, please download the new koha-common package first
22:15 tcohen               i can't belive i had just one typo :-D
22:15 tcohen               I had a typo
22:15 tcohen               wajasu: WAIT
22:14 * wajasu             on phone with client so stalled.
22:13 * wajasu             vm created.  booting, then will transfer deb into VM with ssh, then dpkg -i it...
22:04 * wajasu             the VM build is taking longer because i put the deps for pbuilder in.  its installing perl modules... 92% done
21:57 * wajasu             90% done creating VM and installing base software...
21:53 tcohen               wajasu, did u make it work?
21:43 * wajasu             debian net install in VM running...base...core...
21:39 jcamins              Definitely better to keep the Tamil indexer in a separate package.
21:37 wajasu               give me 20 min
21:37 wajasu               i'll cpan it
21:37 wajasu               ok lets get through this one.
21:37 wajasu               if its separate, later if we want to use plack as a server, that talks to zebra, it might be easier if its a separate package.
21:36 tcohen               that's another bug this depends on
21:35 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
21:35 tcohen               bug 8774
21:35 wajasu               i thought you were going to build a  Koha::Contrib::Tamil  .deb  for putting into the kc.org repo
21:35 tcohen               i was not sure what was the best
21:35 tcohen               it can be done (including tamils code into koha)
21:33 wajasu               oh. you are just getting the init script into koha common
21:33 wajasu               whats in your koha-common?  i thought it was the Tamil stuff?
21:32 tcohen               !!
21:32 tcohen               and u need to cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil too
21:32 wajasu               my vm build script applies the kc koha-common.  so after the first boot, i will transfer your deb into the VM and try to apply it.
21:30 tcohen               hmm, dependecies, try installing koha-common from the debian.koha-communty.org repo first so it pulls all the deps
21:29 wajasu               i'm creating a new VM.  give me a few minutes
21:28 tcohen               don't try it on your production server hehe
21:28 jcamins              wajasu: it will replace the current version of koha-common.
21:28 * jcamins            was actually typing "Just koha-common" when tcohen said it, but thought that repeating him was silly.
21:28 wajasu               can i do it on a VM that already has koha-common installed, or a fresh VM?
21:28 tcohen               (i'm not a packages expert at all)
21:28 jcamins              Yup.
21:28 tcohen               right jcamins?
21:27 tcohen               just koha-common
21:27 wajasu               .deb
21:27 wajasu               so i assume you want me to install the koha-common and the koha ones.
21:24 tcohen               http://es.koha-community.org/kc_files/
21:22 wajasu               let me know
21:22 jcamins              wajasu: use dpkg -i ${file}
21:22 wajasu               ok
21:22 tcohen               dpkg -i <file>
21:22 wajasu               tcohen: sure.  i just haven't installed debs directly.  can i use agt-get or such?
21:19 wajasu               i guess i can just try master and send diacritics, then mark them resolved.  ok then.
21:19 jcamins              If they are, mark them as resolved.
21:18 jcamins              They may well be obsolete.
21:18 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
21:18 wajasu               the reason i am looking at these is because when if fixed bug 8378  i think i addressed NFC coding and display of email subject/header fields  and also the attachment filenames, so one can have unicode diacritics in them too.
21:16 jcamins              That means the patch predates the creation of the "Needs signoff" etc. statuses.
21:16 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4420 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , umlauts or diacritics in subject of notices are deleted
21:16 wajasu               i wonder if bug 4420 is a dup.
21:16 tcohen               (once I get it created)
21:16 tcohen               wajasu, can I provide u with a koha-common*.deb  file for you to test?
21:16 jcamins              Oh, on an existing bug?
21:16 jcamins              wajasu: it means do not use that status.
21:14 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6130 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, henridamien, Pushed to Master , Letters: Fixing Subject encoding
21:14 wajasu               what does "PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE)" mean. Though it says pushed to master.  bug 6130
20:58 jcamins              Hehe. Agreed.
20:57 bag                  sekjal should be required to sign in here more :)
20:57 jcamins              Hi!
20:56 * sekjal             waves
20:56 sekjal               anyway, I've got to get to my bus.  just wanted to pop in and wave "hi"
20:56 sekjal               thankfully, I've got a pretty good immune system
20:55 * sekjal             still gets devoured
20:54 jcamins              Yeah, though I'm growing out of it as I age. :P
20:53 bag                  so I guess that means you're sweet too (heh) ;)
20:53 bag                  she's sweet ;)
20:53 bag                  Sonja is one too
20:53 bag                  oh sorry
20:53 jcamins              That I knew. I am a mosquito magnet.
20:52 bag                  Basically always be careful of misquitos biting you - if you're going into a mosquito area - wear some bug repellant  :)
20:51 bag                  we studied mosquitos - near bird nests in maryland…
20:50 jcamins              Huh. You learn something new every day.
20:50 bag                  I used to study birds - pre koha - and a west nile study was one that I was invovled in
20:50 bag                  oh west nile - most of the mosquitos on the east coast have got it (well most = high percentage)
20:49 jcamins              I have to tell you, those two things were not issues that I had previously considered.
20:49 bag                  now EEE that's a different issue
20:48 bag                  us being middle aged decently healthly people
20:48 bag                  it's like the flu for us
20:48 bag                  enh west nile is not that big a deal to us - but to younglings and oldlings - it is
20:47 jcamins              Reasons 1 and 2 to not move to Massachusetts: West Nile virus and East Equine Encephalitis.
20:47 bag                  wow
20:47 sekjal               hopefully we'll get our first hard frost soon
20:46 jcamins              Yikes!
20:46 sekjal               4 cases of EEE so far
20:46 jcamins              That's different.
20:46 jcamins              Wow.
20:46 wahanui              Of course!
20:46 jcamins              Uhhhh... really?
20:46 sekjal               and speaking of swarms, all evening activities are cancelled due to West Nile and East Equine Encephalitis risk
20:45 sekjal               jcamins: bumpin'.  all the students have swarmed back
20:45 jcamins              Hi there, sekjal. How's UMass? :)
20:41 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
20:41 jcamins              Bug 8623.
20:41 sekjal               hi, bag
20:41 bag                  wb sekjal
20:40 jcamins              Hehe. I'll get the bug number for you.
20:39 tcohen               he
20:39 tcohen               i'm at home and wanted to get that .debs built
20:39 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
20:39 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins
20:39 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI
20:39 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8290 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace Greybox library with jQueryUI Dialog
20:39 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin
20:39 jcamins              @query yui
20:38 huginn               tcohen: There were no matching configuration variables.
20:38 tcohen               @search yui
20:06 wajasu               ok
20:06 tcohen               we'll figure it out
20:06 wajasu               i don't have a local one.
20:06 wajasu               i will need a repo to pull them from
20:06 tcohen               bye #koha!
20:06 tcohen               wajasu, i'll bring you the packages tomorrow
20:05 wajasu               time to write tests
20:05 wajasu               i'm off the hook then
20:05 tcohen               maybe tomorrow
20:05 tcohen               hehe
20:05 tcohen               so, my hands are empty and gotto leave!
20:05 jcamins              Oh. Oops. :/
20:05 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
20:05 tcohen               so, I didn't get MY debs (for bug 8773) but just master ones
20:05 jcamins              tcohen: that's good. :)
20:04 tcohen               process
20:04 tcohen               i was testing the ,deb building oricess
20:04 tcohen               damn
20:04 jcamins              tcohen++
20:03 oleonard             Bye #koha
20:03 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
20:03 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
20:03 tcohen               two fixes for bug 8233 and bug 8623 to get them
20:02 wajasu               so i looks like tcohen got debs.
20:01 jcamins              Right.
20:01 wajasu               its probably not on master yet
20:00 jcamins              wajasu: I think you signed off on it, too. :)
20:00 wajasu               ok
20:00 jcamins              wajasu: yes.
20:00 wajasu               jcamins: just for the record.  when i was testing the famfam patch, i noticed the suggestion HASH() showing.  did you already address that in another bug?
19:58 jcamins              Have a safe trip.
19:58 rangi                Ok my stop gotta get the rental
19:58 rangi                Could maybe use
19:57 rangi                Opensuse have a build farm
19:57 rangi                Yep
19:56 jcamins              rangi: yeah, I've thought about that. It's one of those things that is permanently on my to-do list but never at the top.
19:55 rangi                Build then shut it down
19:55 rangi                For building could fire up a beastly ec2
19:54 rangi                There are searchable archives linked from that page too
19:53 jcamins              koyauni: it's very simple. You send an e-mail to the list, everyone who subscribes receives the e-mail, and anyone who wants to can respond.
19:52 koyauni              I got that, already member, but got lost already :(
19:52 jcamins              rangi: they tell me that current desktops are superior to 2yo laptops. ;)
19:51 jcamins              koyauni: ^^ look there.
19:51 wahanui              mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
19:51 jcamins              mailing lists?
19:51 koyauni              so people can share experiences
19:51 jcamins              koyauni: we already have mailing lists.
19:51 rangi                Hmm 20 mins on my desktop
19:51 drojf                for anything
19:51 drojf                no google please
19:50 koyauni              is nit better to create a google group forum for Koha, https://groups.google.com/forum/
19:50 rangi                Maybe after we finish dealing with lawyers over spurious trademarks we can revisit joining spi, then have a way to handle donations and set up a build farm :-)
19:50 jcamins              tcohen: I have my laptop e-mail me when the build finishes, it takes so long.
19:49 tcohen               wow, I got the .debs finally
19:48 tcohen               we bought some 128GB servers last month, if they're not full of VM right now i'll ask for some RAM for testing
19:47 wajasu               on tmpfs.
19:47 wajasu               i tried it with a 6GB VM (why because i had 12GB RAM).  but can't recall what i ran into.
19:46 jcamins              I'd like to set it up building on tmpfs when I get my new server... at least until I need the spare RAM for other things. :)
19:46 jcamins              tcohen: I am not sure, no.
19:46 tcohen               maybe i'll try with a tmpfs
19:46 tcohen               do u know how many GB does the pbuilder stuff need for building Koha?
19:45 jcamins              tcohen: hehe. It does take a while.
19:44 * tcohen             needs an ssd on his workstation to test .deb building without freaking out
19:44 jcamins              But understand you may not get an immediate response. All the people in the Koha community who help out are doing it for free.
19:44 koyauni              ok I try
19:43 jcamins              koyauni: you should send a message to the mailing list. Perhaps someone else will have done it recently.
19:43 jcamins              oleonard: looks like JS for YUI is ~212kb, and CSS is ~89k.
19:42 rangi                Testing hardware
19:42 koyauni              jcamins do you think there will be an answer to my issue or this room is the best I get on koha
19:42 rangi                Te takere opens soon
19:42 * rangi              is off to get a rental car then to Levin
19:41 jcamins              koyauni: there is a mailing list.
19:41 oleonard             The mailing list is that koyauni
19:41 koyauni              <jcamins> there is not community base forum for koha then
19:40 rangi                Yep
19:40 jcamins              rangi: only with GPL3/3+.
19:40 rangi                Cool that's compatible
19:40 jcamins              No, it's a website.
19:40 jcamins              *questions on the website
19:40 koyauni              but it does not have that option do it, I mean it is not a forum I guess
19:40 cait                 good morning rangi :)
19:40 jcamins              Use the mailing list.
19:40 jcamins              koyauni: answers on the website are not answered.
19:40 jcamins              rangi: Apache 2.0.
19:40 rangi                What's the license on bootstrap?
19:40 jcamins              oleonard: looks like bootstrap is a lot smaller than YUI.
19:40 koyauni              http://koha-community.org/wp-admin/user/
19:40 koyauni              no I want to just post a question see if anyone can help
19:39 rangi                Eythian's joke
19:39 oleonard             rangi: ?
19:38 oleonard             And the CSS can be slimmed down because we don't need all of it
19:38 oleonard             cait: Bootstrap js: 25KB, bootstrap CSS: 96KB
19:37 tcohen               hi rangi
19:37 rangi                Hehe that joke fell flat
19:37 rangi                Morning
19:35 cait                 120k of assets?
19:34 jcamins              Yay!
19:34 oleonard             Definitely worth another 120K of assets, especially if we're dropping YUI for it
19:34 cait                 yay :)
19:34 cait                 :)
19:33 oleonard             Wow, Bootstrap widgets are REALLY easy to use.
19:27 jcamins              Why are you trying to edit the website?
19:26 jcamins              koyauni: what?
19:26 koyauni              this Koha community page is not active is it? I have created membership, and when I log in, all I can see is WorkPress member area,
19:26 jenkins_koha         * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up, fix HTML4 coding guideline
19:26 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in
19:26 jenkins_koha         * kyle: Bug 6151 - Followup - Change 'itemnumber' to 'barcode'
19:26 jenkins_koha         * kyle: Bug 6151 - Followup - Display message for failed returns on circulation.pl when returning via issues table.
19:25 jenkins_koha         * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up DBREv & removing useless `
19:25 jenkins_koha         * ian.walls: Bug 6151: Add AllowReturnToBranch system preference
19:25 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #837: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/837/
19:20 jcamins              The one time I tried building packages on master, it failed before it started because the Solr dependencies can't be installed.
19:19 jcamins              No, I never even got that far in the build process to get that error.
19:18 tcohen               is there a bug for that?
19:17 tcohen               ok, i'll do it
19:17 jcamins              tcohen: here's a thought for a temporary solution: just delete those files in debian/rules
19:16 tcohen               anyone from biblibre?
19:15 jcamins              It's not that the changes are inherently hard, but they do have to be done correctly, and it would be very easy to mess up other things.
19:15 jcamins              koyauni: no, it will not.
19:14 koyauni              then it will not be easy
19:14 jcamins              tcohen: maybe add those files to debian/rules and stick them in /etc/koha/[whatever their path is in the repo]?
19:13 jcamins              wajasu: right. :)
19:13 wajasu               jcamins: ok i turned on the XSLT with "default" and see the BK.png in my details in opac and staff client.  goning to just add a comment (no signoff needed) right?
19:13 jcamins              koyauni: I do not know, and I am not going to encourage you to do something that might break your system.
19:12 koyauni              http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/31484686/zebra%20configuration%20for%20regional%20language%20searching
19:12 tcohen               but don't know if they need to be installed in koha/sites/<site>
19:12 koyauni              jaxmins: can this one be the solution please
19:12 tcohen               they look like might be installed in /etc/koha
19:12 jcamins              tcohen: I don't know. I have been wondering that ever since they were pushed.
19:11 tcohen               jcamins, what should be done with those solr files that break the build process??
19:10 jcamins              oleonard: as I recall, the only substantial objection was SIPServer's license, and and that has been relicensed to 2+.
19:10 drojf                +1 for punish :P
19:09 oleonard             punish them
19:09 cait                 stick it to liblime?
19:09 oleonard             (though doing that would be a bonus)
19:09 oleonard             Actually it should be simpler now if we don't include "stick it to Liblime" as one of the main goals
19:09 jcamins              Hopefully we'll be able to agree.
19:08 cait                 and then return to it a year later and repeat?
19:08 jcamins              oleonard seems to understand the procedure.
19:08 jcamins              lol
19:08 oleonard             Bicker about it for several months, do nothing.
19:08 cait                 do we have to get all developers to agree or can we update gpl a bit easier?
19:07 cait                 what is the procedure for updating?
19:07 cait                 one more reason to revisit the discussion soon
19:07 cait                 ah
19:07 jcamins              cait: Apache 2.0 and GPL 2 are incompatible.
19:07 jcamins              But there is nothing in the way of us upgrading to GPLv3+, now that SIPServer has been relicensed.
19:06 cait                 oh?
19:06 jcamins              Exactly.
19:06 oleonard             Right because right now we couldn't use Bootstrap because of the license?
19:06 jcamins              Then we could potentially switch from YUI to bootstrap. :)
19:05 cait                 jcamins: sounds good to me
19:05 cait                 yay :)
19:05 jcamins              After the 3.12 elections are over, we should pick up the discussion about GPL3+ again.
19:05 oleonard             It has lots of stuff.
19:04 oleonard             http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/components.html#buttonDropdowns
19:04 cait                 oleonard: bootstrap has menus? :)
19:03 jcamins              Especially ditching YUI.
19:03 jcamins              Sounds good to me.
19:03 * oleonard           hates to add yet another different library but we should use what works
19:02 oleonard             At least Bootstrap is being actively developed, unlike YUI, and has working menus, unlike jQueryUI
19:01 oleonard             Right now we've got jqueryUI and YUI, we might do jqueryUI + Bootstrap
19:01 oleonard             jcamins: Only if we decided to dump jQueryUI in favor of all Bootstrap
19:00 jcamins              oleonard: does that mean I'd lose my sortable? :(
19:00 oleonard             For the OPAC I think.
19:00 jcamins              oleonard: mtj was doing a proof of concept with bootstrap.
18:59 oleonard             Bootstrap's UI widgets offer a compelling alternative to YUI buttons and menus (not to mention jQueryUI's)
18:57 jcamins              Yes please.
18:57 jcamins              tcohen: make sure you include instructions for building packages for master (how you skipped the tests, and any other gotchas you encountered).
18:57 tcohen               both previous patches are pushed, and should i obsolete them?
18:57 jcamins              tcohen: yes please.
18:57 jcamins              And I'm not going to suggest you try instructions that I don't know for sure are good, because you'd end up in a much worse situation.
18:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
18:57 tcohen               jcamins, should I send a folowup for bug 8623 to fix that debian/rules file?
18:56 jcamins              Probably, but I don't know of any off the top of my head.
18:55 koyauni              :( is there any instruction around I can follow please
18:55 jcamins              koyauni: it is not enabled by default. As I said, configuring it is rather involved.
18:54 koyauni              there is setting in Home › Administration › System preferences › Searching preferences for ICU, but it says that ICU should be enabled, do you think a installation by koha-common would have the this enabled
18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Thank you jcamins!
18:52 wajasu               ok
18:50 tcohen               as building the packages for testing that patch is currently broken
18:50 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
18:50 tcohen               if you're talking about bug 8773 hold on
18:50 wajasu               creating the .deb packages
18:49 tcohen               you mean my patch? or creating .deb packages for Koha::Contrib::Tamil?
18:49 wajasu               tcohen: after i look at this famfamfam patch, do you still want me to try the pbuilder for Koha::Contrib::Tamil?
18:48 wajasu               yeah. thats sufficient.
18:47 tcohen               wajasu, just use my patches you signed, and change the interval to 10''?
18:46 jcamins              wajasu: but that would mean maintaining an additional set of search routines, which is not something we want to do. ;)
18:45 wajasu               jcamins: you know that idea i mentioned about the composable search plugin.  what really fueled it was, when cataloging, a search for a bib is not immediately available(against zebra).  so if we find no results, we could have a secondary search query directly against some of the database fields.
18:40 tcohen               (fixed debian/rules for opac at least, trying again)
18:40 jcamins              Possibly this is not the issue after all, then.
18:39 jcamins              tcohen: really? I didn't actually check whether the patch I was thinking of had been pushed or not.
18:39 tcohen               mmm, koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/yui is not on master yet
18:39 koyauni              if I find instruction I might be able to do it
18:38 koyauni              http://library.koyauniversity.org/
18:38 jcamins              koyauni: you have to configure it by editing the configuration manually. Unfortunately, it is a bit involved.
18:38 koyauni              I thought Koha is UTF8 enabled and language would not matter
18:37 wahanui              ICU is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra
18:37 koyauni              where do I find this ICU
18:37 jcamins              tcohen: koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/lib/yui and koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/yui
18:36 wahanui              i heard path was set in C4/Templates.pm
18:36 tcohen               path?
18:36 wahanui              icu is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra
18:36 jcamins              icu?
18:36 jcamins              koyauni: you need to activate ICU. I am not sure if there are instructions you could easily follow.
18:36 tcohen               link to the new yui libs?
18:36 jcamins              Plus, the Solr dependencies can't be built on Squeeze, so I wouldn't be able to test anyway.
18:35 koyauni              when you search in Arabic it always shows the same records, any idea how this can be fixed please
18:35 jcamins              I can't test that now.
18:35 jcamins              If you change the yui lines to refer to the new yui location, that might fix it.
18:35 koyauni              We are new user of Koha for our university Library, it has multi lingual records, but the search is giving accurate result in English only,
18:34 jcamins              tcohen: well, debian/rules is failing. It's not a test. That's the actual build process.
18:33 koyauni              hello koha!
18:33 * tcohen             finds disturbing that he can't build deb packages even when using DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck
18:31 jcamins              (looking at the way we install YUI using packages)
18:30 jcamins              Wow... that's... different.
18:29 jcamins              Also, bug 5024 should probably be fixed.
18:29 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
18:29 jcamins              No, this would be a follow-up to bug 8623.
18:28 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins
18:28 oleonard             Bug 5024?
18:28 huginn               jcamins: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
18:28 jcamins              @more
18:28 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
18:28 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins
18:28 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI
18:28 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8290 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace Greybox library with jQueryUI Dialog
18:28 huginn               jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin
18:28 jcamins              @query yui
18:28 jcamins              Never saw that issue before.
18:28 jcamins              No.
18:28 wahanui              i guess bug # is there
18:28 tcohen               bug #?
18:28 jcamins              I didn't realize that debian/rules had a special set of instructions for installing YUI.
18:28 tcohen               are there patches for that?
18:27 jcamins              I guess we need a follow-up for that.
18:27 tcohen               i don't have enough scroll lines
18:27 jcamins              Hmm.
18:27 tcohen               $(TMP)/usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui
18:27 tcohen               rm -r \
18:26 tcohen               install -m 0644 koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui/skin.css I think
18:26 jcamins              tcohen: really? What files?
18:26 jcamins              YoungPublicLibrarian: the report you were looking at was written by khall. He may be able to help you refine it to do what you want, since he has access to your system.
18:26 tcohen               no, missing files on cp or rm -r
18:25 jcamins              I keep on trying to fix that.
18:25 jcamins              tcohen: spaces instead of tabs?
18:24 tcohen               debian/rules failed in several lines
18:24 jcamins              tcohen: no, I don't think we do.
18:24 YoungPublicLibrarian The only problem with that link, drojf, is that some of the reports there don't work the way they are described to work...
18:24 bag                  good morning :)
18:24 tcohen               do we have nightly master .deb packages? I mean, is anyone able to build .deb packages from master?
18:24 drojf                i guess my wireless cable fell out
18:23 drojf                hm
18:22 drojf                jcamins: ocs looks fancy
18:21 cait                 hm it still might be ;)
18:21 drojf                so they did not poison us :D
18:21 cait                 waiting for a baking pumpkin :)
18:21 cait                 also better
18:21 drojf                better. how are you?
18:20 cait                 how is your head?
18:20 cait                 lol
18:20 jcamins              lol
18:20 drojf                i thought i saw cait waving, but then this huge, loud jenkins-huginn-train drove by
18:19 jenkins_koha         Starting build #837 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
18:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8765 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add series title to intranet search results
18:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8713 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Warning message triggered by clicking keyword to marc mapping.
18:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8727 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Correct help text in rebuild_zebra_sliced.sh
18:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7690 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , hidelostitems not working in Normal Display
18:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8714 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Poorly ordered and triggers warning in marctagstructure.pl
18:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8705 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Software error on help of main page
18:19 jenkins_koha         * Paul Poulain: Bug 8765 follow-up replace tabs by spaces
18:18 jenkins_koha         * dcook: Bug 8765 - Add series title to intranet search results
18:18 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4491 trivial, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cleaning some weird code in *search.pl
18:18 jenkins_koha         * mtompset: Bug 8713 - Warning message triggered by clicking Keywords to MARC mapping
18:18 jenkins_koha         * colin.campbell: Bug 8727 Minor stylistic change to help text
18:18 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7991 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display in a holding summary tab informations about serial record
18:18 jenkins_koha         * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7690: hidelostitems not working in Normal Display
18:18 jenkins_koha         * mtompset: Bug 8714 - Poorly ordered and triggers warning in marctagstructure.pl
18:18 jenkins_koha         * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8705: Software error on help of main page
18:18 jenkins_koha         * jonathan.druart: Bug 4491: FIX buildQuery if called with an empty limit
18:18 jenkins_koha         * jonathan.druart: Bug 4491: fix weird code in search scripts
18:18 jenkins_koha         * jonathan.druart: Bug 7991: Add itemcallnumber into the serial collection tab
18:18 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #836: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/836/
18:18 cait                 sounds like an interesting find
18:18 * cait               waves
18:18 cait                 :)
18:16 jcamins              I mean, I'm not sure that's what's going on here, but it seems possible.
18:16 jcamins              drojf: exactly right.
18:16 drojf                old church slavonic? (or how that is said in english)
18:16 jcamins              Maybe it's the OCS alphabet!
18:14 drojf                YoungPublicLibrarian: i heard the wiki is kind of an expert http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
18:12 jcamins              SJeffery: I didn't say I understood Greek, just that it wasn't unusual.
18:11 SJeffery             Well good, you can handle all of our Greek stuff from now on:)
18:09 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone! I'm looking for a total expert on creating reports in Koha.
18:09 jcamins              Or something that looks remarkably like the Imperial seal.
18:09 jcamins              SJeffery: Greek is not unusual. What's unusual is that it's using the Cyrillic alphabet and is around the Imperial seal of Russia.
18:08 SJeffery             Welcome to my world:)
18:08 jcamins              It is Greek.
18:06 cait                 that's what I meant ... ;)I
18:05 jcamins              Perplexing is what it is!
18:04 cait                 sounds nice :)
18:04 jcamins              With the Russian Imperial seal.
18:03 jcamins              Ooh. A bookplate in a language that might or might not be Greek.
17:58 libsysguy            its fancy
17:58 libsysguy            uses jquery-ui mobile for his drupal site
17:57 datadoctor           And I am ++++ for jquery mobile - I think it is very cool!
17:56 datadoctor           I mean teasing...
17:56 datadoctor           I'm testing oleonard, I use jquery on all my websites. Nonetheless I think the YUI tools are pretty cool.
17:56 * libsysguy          can deal
17:55 jcamins              But changing the API between versions is really, *really* annoying.
17:55 libsysguy            jQuery +1 from me
17:54 jcamins              For the record, I really like jQuery.
17:54 oleonard             datadoctor: And jquery hasn't "insinuated itself" into anything. It has become popular.
17:54 datadoctor           Yes! YUI is the coolest. I vote for YUI!
17:53 libsysguy            or yui
17:53 oleonard             datadoctor: http://yuilibrary.com/ ?
17:53 jcamins              Maybe.
17:53 libsysguy            if they don't use jquery they use mootools or scriptilous
17:53 datadoctor           just like we became dependent on java, until Oracle ate it!
17:53 jcamins              datadoctor: ... ones with blink tags? ;)
17:52 datadoctor           jquery has insinuated itself into everything - is there a website that doesn't use it?
17:52 libsysguy            hey now, you're hitting a little close to home there jcamins :p
17:52 jcamins              But an awesome one, of course.
17:52 jcamins              ;)
17:52 jcamins              jQuery is just a nuisance.
17:51 jcamins              The XSLT results are where you can find a famfamfam icon.
17:51 datadoctor           got it!
17:51 jcamins              datadoctor: those are two different conversations.
17:51 datadoctor           am thinking it was a relative path problem - maybe the css was conistent between jquery mobile versions -  what do you see as the problem with the xslt results?
17:50 libsysguy            so now we have to upgrade
17:50 libsysguy            but the add has to be attached to the cursor, so you're forced to click on it.  I'm pretty sure thats only a feature in jquery 1.8
17:49 libsysguy            ^^
17:49 datadoctor           now I
17:49 jcamins              SJeffery: with a banner going across the top of the page saying "You win!"
17:49 libsysguy            SJeffery please do, I really want some flashing banner adds on the intranet side
17:49 jcamins              (on the OPAC)
17:49 jcamins              All those little icons.
17:49 jcamins              Oh. XSLT results page.
17:48 libsysguy            -_-
17:48 libsysguy            jquery
17:48 libsysguy            guess where the conflicts are
17:48 SJeffery             Wait a minute, we can have bouncing effects? Can we also use the blink tag? I will submit an enhancement request!
17:48 libsysguy            so I just went to rebase my working branch
17:48 jcamins              wajasu: they're all over. Let me think.
17:47 wajasu               jcamins: I am sitting here with 8624 applied as a standard install.  with the SIGNED off patch.  any place/page i can go to confirm a fam icon?
17:47 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6151 follow-up, fix HTML4 coding guideline <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9acabe44a40dbd8aa6ce2662fea174a9ca51f8ae> / Bug 6151 - Followup - Change 'itemnumber' to 'barcode' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf61215e9e257fe7a388e44b4f2fcd47cf4a7a51> / Bug 6151 - Followup - Display message for failed returns on circulation.pl when retur... <http://git.koha-c
17:47 jcamins              lol
17:46 libsysguy            but how else am I supposed to engage the patrons by having their results use the quad-bounce-flash effect as they come in through my ajax queries
17:46 wajasu               tcohen: saw the email.  thx :)
17:46 jcamins              libsysguy: if you use bouncing effects in the OPAC, you are dead to me. :P
17:45 datadoctor           We just updated our jquery mobile and it broke a lot of our css.
17:45 libsysguy            all those bouncing effects
17:45 libsysguy            think of all the features we are missing out on :p
17:45 jcamins              And jQuery is already up to 1.8 something.
17:44 libsysguy            code*
17:44 libsysguy            we need a bot to pull in the latest stable releases for our releases that include other cod
17:44 jcamins              Huge scope for regressions.
17:44 libsysguy            sweet baby jesus
17:44 libsysguy            we were on 1.3.2 o_0
17:43 jcamins              But he doesn't.
17:43 * jcamins            will allow that he is not rangi, so rangi might have a different opinion.
17:43 jcamins              And the scope for regressions with a jQuery upgrade from 1.3.2 to 1.7.1 is *massive*.
17:42 jcamins              Mostly.
17:42 libsysguy            ^^ honest question
17:42 libsysguy            is it just because only bug fixes get pushed and not enhancements?
17:42 * libsysguy          just saw that email from oleonard
17:42 jcamins              libsysguy: that is, I know the answer. It will not be.
17:41 jcamins              libsysguy: no.
17:41 libsysguy            jcamins, rangi, paul_p
17:41 libsysguy            anybody know if the latest version of jquery will be pushed to the stable branches
17:41 SJeffery             If I search for an OCLC number and have it search two servers, and both return one results, the results are not in the same order each time.
17:40 jcamins              Unless you're only searching one server, in which case I am utterly perplexed.
17:40 SJeffery             Hmm. I suppose that makes sense.
17:39 jcamins              SJeffery: I didn't know that Koha did, but I'll speculate that it depends on which server responds first.
17:38 SJeffery             Does anyone know why Koha changes the order that Z39.50 results are displayed in depending on the results?
17:36 jcamins_away         Wow, nice!
17:33 wahanui              i guess jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
17:33 tcohen               oh, jcamins_away
17:32 tcohen               jcamins,wajasu: did u get my email?
17:23 tweetbot`            [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Setting Circ & Fine Rules in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/xY4zvLsb"
17:23 tweetbot`            [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Easier to find Koha tutorial videos http://t.co/wTv5BIDJ"
17:23 chris_n              broken_stable--
17:22 chris_n              but I'm not entirely focused on ils foo right now, so have not had time to shake it out yet
17:22 jcamins              ... or maybe it did break entirely
17:22 * chris_n            has been having some issues with od notices on 3.8.3
17:22 jcamins              chris_n: but I use 3.6.x exclusively, and my libraries don't circulate.
17:21 jcamins              chris_n: I think it did not.
17:21 chris_n              so sending overdue notices did not break?
17:13 jcamins              chris_n: sending baskets entirely stopped working for a while, and I think a change to overdue notices broke some of the placeholders.
17:12 chris_n              jcamins: what sort of problems
17:11 jenkins_koha         Starting build #836 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
17:07 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8765 follow-up replace tabs by spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cbca4e8b0e2143fe5ec1bb221ace0e51597ac308> / Bug 8765 - Add series title to intranet search results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=308654bad48d096299d3e7fbd37e9eab1317a4bc> / Bug 8713 - Warning message triggered by clicking Keywords to MARC mapping <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
17:05 * jcamins            waves to datadoctor, whispers about Koha's theme functionality.
17:03 wajasu               ok. i'll do a standard install.
17:02 mbalmer              yes, don't backport bugs, indeed.
17:01 jcamins              mbalmer: it's working now, and has had problems in 3.8.x and master. Why risk importing those problems to 3.6.x?
17:01 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , famfamfam should be outside theme directory
17:01 jcamins              Could someone respond to bug 8624 saying that A) I tested it with a standard install initially, but a lot has been pushed since then, B) it's only famfamfam because small changes are better than big ones.
17:00 mbalmer              ???
17:00 jcamins              I mean I won't accept patches that touch Koha's e-mail generating code.
17:00 jcamins              No.
17:00 wajasu               what does that mean.  you only pull from bugzilla?
16:59 jcamins              And I am refusing all e-mail-related patches at this time, since they only seem to cause more problems than they solve. :(
16:59 jcamins              At least, they seem to be.
16:59 wajasu               ok
16:58 jcamins              (in 3.6.x)
16:58 jcamins              wajasu: overdue notices are working.
16:58 wajasu               maybe its not broken in 3.6, so i will forget about that.
16:57 wajasu               are there alot of 3.6.x folks deployed.  i wonder if i should attach a 3.6.x patch to the bug as well.  so they can get their overdues notices running again.
16:47 jcamins              Someone from BibLibre: you should ask him. Inquiring minds want to know. :)
16:47 wajasu               tcohen: are you working on the pbuilder for the Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexDaemon? should i try now?
16:46 * jcamins            wonders if Christophe is related to Andre Croullebois, bookseller at the end of the eighteenth century.
16:40 jcamins              lol
16:39 chris_n              jumping into the melodrama that is :-)
16:39 * chris_n            just could not resist
16:34 jcamins              Woohoo!
16:34 tcohen               liw, jcamins, it worked
16:25 huginn               wajasu: downloading the Perl source
16:25 wahanui              i think eliza is the one you're thinking of
16:25 wajasu               huginn: do you know eliza?
16:24 huginn               wajasu: downloading the Perl source
16:24 wajasu               huginn: when will RDA be ready?
16:24 tcohen               i think is a git bug anyway
16:24 huginn               jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
16:24 jcamins              huginn: do you warn people you are a bot?
16:23 wajasu               tcohen: i found the day i had the same discussion with jcamins. http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-08-30     no git version mentioned though.
16:20 tcohen               if it doesnt work I'll empty t/  :-P
16:20 liw                  no worries
16:19 tcohen               yes jcamins, thanks liw
16:19 jcamins              tcohen: that seems promising.
16:19 jcamins              liw++
16:17 cait                 liw++ :)
16:17 liw                  jcamins, in that case, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules-options specifies the env var to set (DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck), but I don't recall how to get pbuilder to set it (maybe: sudo DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck pbuilder ....)
16:16 * cait               waves :)
16:16 jcamins              liw: right.
16:16 liw                  jcamins, do you mean how to tell pbuilder to tell the package to not run its build-time tests?
16:15 jcamins              (when using build-git-snapshot)
16:15 jcamins              liw: I don't suppose you know how to make pbuilder skip tests?
16:14 * mveron             says hello to cait
16:14 jcamins              eythian would know, but he's not here.
16:12 tcohen               wajasu, jcamins, ok
16:11 jcamins              tcohen: unfortunately, I can't figure out which environment variable that would be.
16:11 tweetbot`            [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Easier to find Koha tutorial videos http://t.co/7cj7igUt #kohails"
16:10 wajasu               git version
16:10 wajasu               i'm on version 1.7.12, but if you search the irc logs you will se i had this conversation about this in june or august and i might have mentioned the git version this was fixed.
16:10 tcohen               ok
16:09 wajasu               tcohen: just put a note: that on recent git versions  (, one doesn't need the format headers = content-type line.
16:08 jcamins              I think you can skip tests using an environment variable.
16:08 tcohen               #   Failed test 'use C4::HoldsQueue;'
16:08 jcamins              Oh dear.
16:08 jcamins              tcohen: they fail?
16:08 tcohen               jcamins, they fail right now, and need to test that patch
16:07 tcohen               wajasu, I can login to wiki
16:07 jcamins              tcohen: I do not, no. I've always wanted them to run.
16:07 jcamins              Or you can delegate to someone else who is here who can log in to the wiki at present (not me).
16:07 tcohen               jcamins, do u know how to disable tests for building ,debs?
16:07 jcamins              Yes it does.
16:06 wajasu               that means i need to get a login.
16:06 wajasu               it seems to have been needed in the past, but if you are in a newer git vesion you get dups.
16:06 jcamins              :)
16:06 jcamins              You should update the wiki to note that isn't required on recent versions of git.
16:06 jcamins              Cool!
16:06 wajasu               yes
16:06 wajasu               i took headers = "content-Type: ... line out.   so no dups when patches are applied.
16:05 jcamins              wajasu: removing that line fixes the problem, and doesn't garble UTF-8 commits?
16:05 wajasu               jcamins: was it that .gitconfig [format]  things that everyone did.  then i found that in newer git versions thats not needed.
16:02 jcamins              Ooh! Maybe this was one of Cristophe's ancestors! A bookseller in Paris ca. 1789!
16:01 jcamins              I don't know why.
16:01 jcamins              No, git does it.
16:01 tcohen               (nevermind, used git-bz, no gmail)
16:01 tcohen               (maybe gmail...)
16:01 tcohen               do u know if it is a bug in git bz? or my own setup?
16:00 jcamins              tcohen: if you open up the patch in a text editor, you can remove the second Content-Type line, and it will start working again.
15:59 tcohen               Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
15:59 tcohen               Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
15:59 tcohen               Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
15:59 tcohen               it is strange that the patch says:
15:59 tcohen               fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8
15:59 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
15:59 tcohen               i get an error message when applying patch fr Bug 8773 (on friday It didn't cause this trouble)
15:54 jcamins              Good enough for me. :)
15:52 * oleonard           learned the song in roundabout way, from a Stan Freberg album on which he does a version
15:49 jcamins              oleonard++ # for getting the reference
15:48 oleonard             It takes judgement, brains, and maturity
15:48 wajasu               and a horse with no name
15:47 jcamins              And a cool head and a keen eye.
15:47 jcamins              tcohen: and horse sense.
15:46 tcohen               everything a RM needs :-P
15:45 tcohen               :)
15:45 jcamins              :)
15:45 * jcamins            uses git log and a steady hand.
15:45 tcohen               i tried gitg
15:44 jcamins              Well, there may be a GUI tool, but I don't use it.
15:44 jcamins              tcohen: command-line.
15:44 tcohen               jcamins, is there a GUI tool for cherry-picking or is it done in command-line?
15:42 wajasu               ahh
15:31 oleonard             Nice to hear eythian is located somewhere.
15:27 wahanui              i guess eythian is a good influence or located somewhere.
15:27 jcamins              eythian.
15:27 tcohen               do u know whos responsible of creating perl packages for debian.k-c.org?
15:26 tcohen               perfect
15:26 jcamins              So far as I understand, yes.
15:25 tcohen               the result would be an overwrite of base.tgz?
15:25 jcamins              (plus whatever arguments you want to pass it)
15:25 jcamins              It's just sudo pbuilder create
15:25 jcamins              Wait, without the -- before create
15:25 jcamins              That should work.
15:24 tcohen               ?
15:24 tcohen               $ sudo pbuilder --create --distribution precise --architecture amd64
15:24 tcohen               thanks jcamins
15:23 jcamins              tcohen: sudo pbuilder create
15:20 tcohen               anyone, how can I completely reset my pbuild base system?
15:07 reiveune1            bye
15:02 tcohen               wajasu: no problem
14:59 wajasu               i have to do a patch for 3.8 first, so i'll try later today.
14:57 tcohen               bye eythian
14:56 * eythian            has to go, bye all
14:56 eythian              enough for a minimal debian install
14:56 eythian              yeah, you should have a fair bit of space
14:55 wajasu               i remember now. i am running debian in a VM.  and to build a deb pacakge pbuilder needs to bootstrap another debian (or chroot) within i think, and i hadn't allocated enought VM disk space, so i bailed. let me see if i can.
14:54 tcohen               wajasu, it's the same use of koha-index-daemon, adjusted to .deb per instance setup
14:53 wajasu               i originally tested that bug.  i might take a shot at trying to build a deb package.  i can try.
14:53 tcohen               do u know who can help on getting Koha::Contrib::tamil to be packaged?¿
14:51 tcohen               but I'd like to test it anyway
14:51 tcohen               yes, i've added the dependecy on that bug
14:50 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
14:50 eythian              bug 8774
14:49 eythian              tcohen: there was another bug along those lines too
14:47 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
14:46 * tcohen             is looking for a good soul with .deb-generating skills to provide packages to test Bug 8773
14:46 slef                 Plack Handbook http://bit.ly/PqZnJU
14:45 eythian              I was ignoring that as it was strange
14:45 * oleonard           can't understand why an $author '' should be converted to $author ' '
14:44 eythian              heh
14:44 * oleonard           wonders if there was supposed to be more to that commit message
14:44 eythian              )
14:43 eythian              (the precedence differs though
14:43 eythian              it's a common shorthand, though I think I prefer using && as it looks a bit more distinctive.
14:43 oleonard             Commit message for that change: "circulation.pl cleaned up. I think you'll like the difference. Less"
14:41 libsysguy            or at least not the most obvious way
14:41 libsysguy            that seems like a weird way to do it
14:41 oleonard             Okay, thanks
14:40 eythian              same as $boolean && do_something()
14:40 eythian              if author is '', then make it be ' '
14:40 eythian              no it's not
14:40 eythian              oh
14:40 eythian              that's weird
14:40 eythian              oleonard: erm
14:39 oleonard             ($it->{'author'} eq '') and $it->{'author'} = ' ';
14:39 oleonard             Can someone please explain this syntax to me?
14:37 libsysguy            actually jcamins++ for generally always having a test plan
14:36 * libsysguy          sympathizes with oleonard
14:34 oleonard             Although khall++ for adding one when asked directly
14:34 * oleonard           grumbles that no one added a test plan as a result of his plea for test plans
14:20 huginn               eythian: The operation succeeded.
14:20 eythian              @later tell druthb does your migration toolkit stuff handle symphony unicorn?
14:19 wajasu               i can do that.
14:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
14:19 wajasu               i see my bug 8378 got pushed to master.  yay?   chris said i need to create patch for 3.8.
14:15 oleonard             eythian++
14:15 eythian              heh
14:15 tcohen               eythian, i'm amazed of your response to that weird paul
14:07 * mtompset           waves.
14:06 mtompset             melted brains != stupid... smart overloaded. :)
14:05 oleonard             Exactly. People who like things we don't like are stupid.
14:05 mtompset             Good day (24 hour period), #koha.
14:05 mtompset             Anyways. I'm still recovering from this sore throat and ear ache mess. Better get some regular hours of sleep.
14:03 mtompset             I thought php was a language written by people with melted brains. ;)
14:01 huginn               mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 20 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 19.
14:01 mtompset             @karma mtompset
14:01 huginn               mtompset: mtompset\ has neutral karma.
14:01 mtompset             @karma mtompset\
14:01 mtompset             OOO.... nasty karma counts.
13:55 Waylon               hmm? indexes for advanced search?
13:55 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=777 minor, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, permissions for librarians
13:55 Waylon               bug 777
13:54 * jcamins_away       really leaves, now.
13:54 jcamins_away         Nice!
13:54 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Allow the librarians to specify the search indexes for advanced search
13:54 jcamins_away         bug 5773 # happy new year
13:54 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=666 major, P2, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Unnecessary use of non-core perl module
13:54 Waylon               bug 666
13:54 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1 major, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Missing uploadedmarc table definition
13:54 Waylon               bug 1
13:54 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=0 was not found.
13:54 eythian              bug 0
13:54 eythian              aww
13:54 eythian              bug -1
13:54 Waylon               hmm.. how... uninteresting.
13:53 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=42 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, installer.pl could prompt user to send testing results in
13:53 Waylon               bug 42
13:53 * Waylon             idly curious.
13:53 Waylon               ah
13:52 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
13:52 Waylon               bug 7067
13:52 Waylon               gnight all.
13:52 Waylon               okay, im done for night.
13:51 Waylon               php is a language that melts brains.
13:49 gmcharlt             C++ # gives us speedy and useful things like Yaz and Zebra
13:49 oleonard             :P
13:49 oleonard             php++
13:49 oleonard             khall: Follow-up submitted for 7067
13:49 Waylon               php--
13:49 huginn               gmcharlt: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
13:49 gmcharlt             @quote random
13:49 huginn               Waylon: PHP has neutral karma.
13:49 Waylon               @karma PHP
13:49 huginn               Waylon: php has neutral karma.
13:49 Waylon               @karma php
13:49 eythian              no, huginn does that here
13:49 Waylon               ah.. wahanui isn't tracking karma?
13:49 wajasu               but, there are lots of auths with duplicates  and maybe buggy dups I need to research.
13:49 huginn               eythian: Karma for "C" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16.
13:49 eythian              @karma C
13:48 huginn               eythian: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 13 times for a total karma of -13.
13:48 eythian              @karma liblime
13:48 wahanui              i haven't a clue, waylon
13:48 Waylon               wahanui, karma for liblime?
13:48 wajasu               no holdings, no circ, no budgets,   just bibs,
13:48 eythian              that's the one
13:48 wahanui              Since Wed Aug 29 09:23:54 2012, there have been 896 modifications and 255 questions.  I have been awake for 19 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, 39 seconds this session, and currently reference 21198 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
13:48 eythian              wahanui: status
13:48 wahanui              eythian: excuse me?
13:48 eythian              wahanui: info
13:48 Waylon               wahanui, help?
13:47 wahanui              waylon: no idea
13:47 Waylon               wahanui, version?
13:47 Waylon               ah... not as bad as mine then, wajasu
13:47 wajasu               Waylon: removing biblioitems script.
13:46 wajasu               Waylon: custom XSLT, patron images, some javascript for custom cart/list buttons
13:46 Waylon               ah.. not 25.. 16 or so
13:46 eythian              wajasu: you'll also find it in the 'help' menu of emacs
13:46 wajasu               http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA   wow my memory is in  wikipedia
13:45 wahanui              wish i knew, waylon
13:45 Waylon               wahanui, are you a bot?
13:45 Waylon               i have something like 25 mods.
13:45 Waylon               wajasu, how much modding do you need to port to koha master?
13:44 wajasu               this bot reminds me of a program i downloaded off a BBS in 1979 called eliza.  it was a psychologist that prompted conversation.
13:43 wahanui              echo in here
13:43 Waylon               Is there an echo in here?
13:43 wahanui              OK, Waylon.
13:43 Waylon               wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here
13:43 wahanui              bugger all, i dunno, waylon
13:43 Waylon               wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here\?
13:43 Waylon               hahaha
13:43 wahanui              waylon: bugger all, i dunno
13:43 Waylon               wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here?
13:43 wahanui              Waylon: I forgot is there an echo in here
13:43 Waylon               wahanui, forget is there an echo in here
13:43 Waylon               ahf..
13:43 wahanui              OK, Waylon.
13:43 Waylon               wahanui: \is there an echo in here is <reply> echo in her
13:42 wahanui              Waylon: I forgot is there an echo in here
13:42 Waylon               wahanui, forget is there an echo in here
13:42 * jcamins            packs up and heads into the city.
13:42 jcamins              Sorry, Waylon, I tried.
13:42 wahanui              I didn't have anything matching '\is there an echo in here', jcamins
13:42 jcamins              wahanui: \is there an echo in here =~ s/#/?/
13:41 wahanui              That doesn't contain '#', jcamins
13:41 jcamins              wahanui: echo =~ s/#/?/
13:41 wahanui              echo in here#
13:41 jcamins              is there an echo in here?
13:41 Waylon               cool. but what mods you got to deal with?
13:41 wahanui              OK, jcamins.
13:41 jcamins              wahanui: \is there an echo in here is <reply> echo in here#
13:41 wajasu               Waylon: i am thinking of doing my migration form 3.0 to master this week, now that I see your struggles.  I'll keep notes.
13:40 Waylon               okay.. i fail.
13:40 Waylon               Is there an echo in here?
13:40 Waylon               wahanui, Is there an echo in here? =~ s/#/echo in here/
13:40 mib_yqrzg1           I see. Thanks for explaining it to me.
13:40 Waylon               hmmm.
13:40 Waylon               Is there an echo in here?
13:39 jcamins              Staff client, not so much.
13:39 jcamins              mib_yqrzg1: the OPAC is mostly translated for 3.8.x.
13:39 mib_yqrzg1           Thank you for your help!
13:39 wajasu               i see carton and cpanfile in wheezy.
13:39 eythian              mib_yqrzg1: you'd have to have a look, it might well be the OPAC is well translated but the staff client isn't so much
13:39 khall                it's a great tool. I've been using it for catalyst framework based applications.
13:38 eythian              wajasu: nope. I just make .deb files and put them in the repo
13:38 mib_yqrzg1           Thank you. So, if I am understanding it correctly, the Polish version of Koha (to take one example) is in progress but not yet ready to be used?
13:38 jcamins              khall: I don't know enough about cpan minus to comment.
13:38 wahanui              echo?
13:38 eythian              echo?
13:38 wahanui              OK, eythian
13:38 eythian              wahanui: echo =~ s/#/?/
13:38 wahanui              OK, eythian.
13:38 eythian              wahanui: echo is <reply>echo#
13:38 wajasu               ethian.  have you thought about using carton and cpanfile  to build a local::lib  of koha modules?  i can use -L to "contain" everything without using the OS distribution.
13:38 khall                Echo?
13:38 jcamins              lol
13:37 eythian              Echo?
13:37 jcamins              Is there an echo in here?
13:37 khall                is there any reason we shouldn't just use cpan minus and put all Koha it's own perl land separate from the OS's? We could then put the deps in the git repo and simplify installation.
13:37 eythian              mib_yqrzg1: that URL is the answer
13:37 jcamins              mib_yqrzg1: you can look at that page to see the status of the various translations.
13:37 eythian              heh
13:37 jcamins              Oops.
13:37 wahanui              i already had it that way, jcamins.
13:37 jcamins              no, wahanui, translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/
13:36 eythian              no wahanui, translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/
13:36 jcamins              translate?
13:36 eythian              hmm
13:36 wahanui              translations are always committed on the stable branches
13:36 eythian              translations?
13:36 mib_yqrzg1           Hello, where can I find which languages the Koha software is available in?
13:36 jcamins              No, I roll my own packages if I need something on in Squeeze.
13:36 eythian              I build them myself if I must
13:35 eythian              no
13:35 wajasu               do you guys use that debian unstable repo for things like latter cpan modules?
13:34 eythian              this is a bug about testing
13:34 mtompset             I thought bugs were supposed to be short, tiny, testable pieces?
13:34 mveron               Hi #koha
13:34 eythian              that's often how we structure things internally
13:34 jcamins              (241 comments much!)
13:34 jcamins              It gets to be a bit much.
13:33 jcamins              khall: no, I think I'm in agreement with you.
13:33 khall                it would be better to use it as a parent bug with many blocks, but I think that's me wanting to normalize it like a database.
13:33 wajasu               i'm glad your are persuing this mtompset. :)
13:32 eythian              I think that 5327 is cheating however, as it's a rolling bug
13:32 mtompset             Well, email sent off to Colin regarding DateTime::TimeZone.
13:32 eythian              star ratings only made it up to 91 :(
13:31 jcamins              Maybe time to open a new bug for that.
13:31 jcamins              Sure is.
13:31 khall                wow, 241. That's impressive.
13:31 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, bart.tj, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
13:31 oleonard             Bug 5327 holds the record
13:30 khall                heh, do you know which bug is the current record holder?
13:30 oleonard             khall: 7067 doesn't hold the record, I checked :)
13:30 * khall              wonder what the record is for most comments on a bug. 7067 has 93 at the moment.
13:29 khall                also good news! Let me know when you post your patch, and I'll give it a test.
13:28 khall                excellent! It should be pretty easy to test.
13:28 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
13:28 * oleonard           is finishing his follow-up for Bug 7067
13:28 oleonard             Thanks khall I will test it today
13:28 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8559 normal, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , conflicting item statuses
13:28 khall                just finished a new solution for bug 8559, this one should satisfy oleonard. It forces a librarian to either cancel the waiting hold, or revert it to a non-waiting hold when issuing a currently waiting item to a different patron.
13:26 * eythian            pokes through some java code I haven't looked at since 2009
13:26 eythian              I think the SDK one is a bit simpler, but if you need fancier stuff later, you can just drop in sfl4j and it'll become the manager for the internal stuff. or something like that.
13:25 jcamins              wajasu: yeah, that makes sense to me as the *first* approach would try, not the last. :)
13:24 wajasu               most everyone uses slf4j.org  API, and its pluggable.
13:24 eythian              which makes a bit of sense I guess
13:23 eythian              oh, actually, apparently I use Java's inbuilt logging system
13:23 jcamins              wajasu: I like strongly-typed languages, but it wouldn't even occur to me to write my own logger from scratch.
13:22 wajasu               strong typed dev, with a team  vs dynamic typing annd lots of bugs later and work pushed to QA and tests needed even more.
13:22 * eythian            wrote one, and then later changed it to all be log4j or whatever it is
13:21 jcamins              Hehe.
13:21 eythian              It's usually the defining line between someone with experience and someone without, whether they go and do that.
13:20 * jcamins            thinks the Java world must be a very strange place.
13:20 eythian              before they discover lig4j or commons-logging or whatever
13:20 jcamins              wtf?
13:20 wajasu               slf4j
13:20 eythian              yeah
13:20 jcamins              eythian: where everyone writes their own loggers?
13:19 eythian              it was a very common thing there
13:19 eythian              I used to live in the java world
13:19 eythian              ah right
13:19 jcamins              eythian: Recommended against writing a logger from scratch.
13:19 eythian              also there are non-specific security issues.
13:19 jcamins              wajasu: /usr/bin/perl is required by Debian.
13:19 eythian              what'd I do now?
13:19 jcamins              eythian++
13:18 wajasu               the other thing.  when i was building archlinux, i did a grep search/replace script to use #!/usr/bin/env  perl   and things ran fine.  I think i recal finding some rogue perl being called and required a manulal edit though.
13:16 jcamins              I don't think he's on IRC much anymore.
13:16 jcamins              Or send an e-mail?
13:16 jcamins              Post a note on the bug?
13:16 mtompset             Sorry, but the name is just a name to me. Ask how?
13:15 jcamins              mtompset: there's no point in speculating. Ask Colin.
13:15 eythian              wajasu: it can take a fair bit of disk sometimes.
13:15 eythian              mtompset: probably because they revised the dependencies
13:15 wajasu               i started to build packages in my debian VM, but i think i needed too much disk space in it, or something.  then someone shoed me the kc repo
13:14 liw                  eythian, you have no escape, you're an expert now :)
13:14 mtompset             But if DateTime 0.58 requires 1.26, then why does 0.61 only require 1.20?
13:14 eythian              aww man
13:14 * liw                points at eythian and says "expert"
13:13 oleonard             I'm sticking with expert.
13:13 eythian              it's designed not to be too much of an ivory tower process :)
13:13 jcamins              eythian: since liw left the Debian packaging to you.
13:13 wajasu               good to know.
13:13 eythian              I'm sure others have too
13:13 eythian              jcamins and magnuse have both built packages.
13:12 wajasu               who else builds packages?
13:12 eythian              since when did I become an expert?
13:12 jcamins              Yes.
13:12 wajasu               now i remember. eythian is robin :)  the pbuilder expert?
13:09 jcamins              Though I could've told you which bug without checking, actually. ;)
13:09 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans
13:09 jcamins              wajasu: yes, that's how I got bug 5549
13:08 tcohen               morning #koha
13:07 mtj                  poss. as a dep of DateTime-0.58 ?
13:07 wajasu               i guess, with those hashes on the left, one could find/associate what commit and bug#?
13:07 mtj                  ask him why he decided on 1.26 ?
13:06 mtj                  so, colin added those deps...
13:06 mtj                  c82d114f (Colin Campbell
13:06 mtj                  $ git blame -L 204  ./C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm
13:03 mtompset             Yes, jcamins you grok git good. How search?
13:03 wajasu               is something like that available in gitweb?
13:03 wajasu               how do you guys do a historical git search where somethings like DateTime::TimeZone or "1.26" in C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm would have shown up?
12:58 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans
12:58 wahanui              rumour has it bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale
12:58 jcamins              bug 5549
12:57 mtompset             DateUtils.t uses it as well.
12:57 mtj                  curious - when was the 1.26 requirement added?
12:57 mtompset             C4::Context uses it.
12:57 wajasu               I'll run my VM create script and create a fresh environment without it, and see what complains
12:56 jcamins              But we may not be `use`ing it directly.
12:55 wajasu               i'll make a patch today.  i grepped, I don't see it in master    find . -name "*.*" -exec grep -Hn "DateTime::Timezone" {} \;
12:55 jcamins              Which is, unfortunately, much harder than it sounds.
12:55 jcamins              mtompset: only if you can prove that it's definitely not required.
12:52 mtompset             Then the problem doesn't exist.
12:52 mtompset             Actually, if I don't find it in use at all in the code, it could be removed as a dependency.
12:51 wajasu               yes. i 've been running like that since June
12:51 jcamins              We know the change you made works, right?
12:51 jcamins              File a bug and submit a patch.
12:51 wajasu               i tried to suggest makeing this a bug and fixing it in git in a subsequent release.  maybe they should in 3.10
12:50 wajasu               someone here told me to reduce the version.  some months back. its the best option.
12:49 mtompset             And the datetime::timezone that doesn't have a candidate number in the repos has too many other dependencies to try to sort out.
12:49 jcamins              The solution is to change the minimum version, not introduce subtle new bugs, I think.
12:48 mtompset             So trying to do a git installation or a tarball install won't work.
12:48 mtompset             I'll forgive you, wajasu. :)
12:47 mtompset             It only has 1.20
12:47 wajasu               i just woke up.
12:47 mtompset             Debian doesn't have 1.26 by default.
12:47 jcamins              Ah.
12:47 wajasu               yes that the one
12:47 mtompset             wajasu didn't type the full name.
12:47 mtompset             No, DateTime::Timezone.
12:46 jcamins              mtompset: DateTime is a very core requirement at this point. Removing it is not an option.
12:45 mtompset             Perhaps there is a way to replace the dependency with something we already have, and thus simplify.
12:45 mtompset             Though, I should grep the code to see what actually uses it.
12:44 mtompset             So perhaps it is as eythian though, and the minimum should be reduced.
12:44 wajasu               mtompset:  i always edit koha_perl_deps to have DateTime  as 1.20  and have been running like that since june.  no 1.26 in squeeze.
12:39 magnuse              koha gets a mention: http://szabgab.com/perl-based-open-source-products.html
12:32 magnuse              kia ora oleonard
12:32 oleonard             Hi #koha
12:28 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8689 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , disable login via Koha's $database account
12:28 magnuse              Bug 8689
12:27 * magnuse            wasn't expecting miracles ;-)
12:26 jcamins              magnuse: someone was, but that hasn't happened yet.
12:26 magnuse              is there a bug for it? i thought someone was talking about limiting the db user to creating libraries and users?
12:12 jcamins              I don't see it.
12:12 jcamins              You're right.
12:12 slef                 http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
12:12 jcamins              slef: I thought we added it to the FAQ.
12:11 slef                 hi. Is the "don't use the system superlibrarian (kohaadmin as was)" tip on the websites somewhere? Not in the FAQ AFAICS
11:55 nengard              hmmm
11:55 wahanui              morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
11:55 nengard              morning!
11:54 mtompset             Greetings, nengard.
11:53 mtompset             [off] I just had to join in the off fun. ;)
11:49 kf                   hm #koha
11:49 kf                   bye äkoha
11:40 Waylon               [off] must say though, he did not say 'so you can finish it in a month' he said 'full time, every day, as a full time job, for a month'
11:39 drojf                [off] Waylon i think your boss might need a careful rebase to reality
11:37 drojf                good morning jcamins
11:35 magnuse              kia ora jcamins
11:29 kf                   good morning jcamins
11:29 jcamins              Good morning, #koha.
11:26 jcamins_away         [off] Definitely not, sorry.
11:24 Waylon               [off] wow. Boss wants me to make my part-time job, fulltime, full steam for a month on upgrading our koha 3.0 mods to koha 3.10. given the task list, think one month isn't enough... fun.
11:02 vfernandes           ok thanks jcamins :)
11:01 jcamins_away         vfernandes: there is a syspref you can use to set it to search all subfields.
10:54 vfernandes           ok eythian... thank you so much for the help
10:53 eythian              keep in mind that this is still 3.6, so it may not work well with 3.8,  but you can probably pull out the bits you want
10:52 eythian              http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt;h=d1e82f032bcd02085417f0831ac35f8a000b345a;hb=refs/heads/mykoha-3.6.x <-- vfernandes
10:51 eythian              We have a good design team who do our OPACs
10:51 eythian              and yeah, it was just an example I grabbed without looking too closely.
10:50 eythian              looking for the file, I'm not sure how it differs from the current one.
10:50 vfernandes           PS: like the clean look of your OPAC :)
10:48 vfernandes           can you send me the XSLT file?
10:48 vfernandes           but the url seems to be well built :D
10:47 vfernandes           that's exactly what I want, besides that being a "bad" example because the subject searches redirects to the same record and not gives the impression that being working fine
10:45 eythian              which seems to work fine
10:45 eythian              vfernandes: one of our clients has this: https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha//opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=43440
10:44 vfernandes           maybe someone had already done this modification to the XSLT
10:44 eythian              I see your issue
10:44 vfernandes           yes.. my bad :)
10:43 eythian              oh right, so no the search but the search string
10:43 vfernandes           eythian... the problem is that the a href is built on the XSLT
10:43 eythian              vfernandes: I don't think the XSLT and the search are related
10:42 vfernandes           anyone has this modification on the XSLT?
10:41 vfernandes           http://catalogo.ubi.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=84469
10:41 vfernandes           hi guys... one request: anyone uses XSLT and MARC21? i'm having a problem with subject search because it only searches the subfield $a.... for example if the subject is Medicine -- Periodicals, I want to search all the subfields and not only "Medicine"
10:33 eythian              ah right :)
10:33 kf                   funny email
10:33 eythian              what'd I do?
10:33 kf                   eythian++
10:17 drojf                ah, ok. i would have found the electricity option more fascinating ;)
10:13 mtompset             fallen... Whatever.
10:13 mtompset             That explains why I found the dsl router falled and my cable disconnected yesterday.
10:12 mtompset             My son kicked out the wired connection.
10:12 mtompset             My netbook has wireless and wired.
10:12 mtompset             No. Internet cable.
10:11 drojf                mtompset: you just figuered out that you have been working without electricity all day?
10:00 mtompset             Now I know what happened yesterday.. my son kicked out the cable!
09:49 huginn               eythian: The operation succeeded.
09:48 eythian              @later tell dpavlin http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687427
09:48 mtj                  yeah, either/or,  i think it goes on the too-hard pile…
09:46 eythian              mtj: this doesn't mean we couldn't have a debian-specific patch for it if was generally thought to be more agreeable.
09:45 mtj                  aaah, ok - its all news to me
09:45 eythian              It was in my email, there was a discussion about it on debian-perl recently :)
09:43 mtj                  eythian, impressive quoting :p
09:43 eythian              > "All packaged perl programs must start with `#!/usr/bin/perl' and may append such flags as are required."
09:43 eythian              > Perl policy §5.1 states:
09:42 eythian              mtj: it's in violation of debian policy
09:42 mtj                  #!/usr/bin/env perl  ?
09:41 mtj                  hmm, this might be a good patch for koha -> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/finding-bash-perl-python-portably-using-env.html
09:41 eythian              I suppose voorburg isn't so far from here
09:40 eythian              seriously
09:40 huginn               kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.5°C (11:35 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:40 huginn               eythian: The current temperature in Teresina Aeroporto, Brazil is 24.0°C (6:00 AM BRT on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
09:40 kf                   @wunder Konstanz
09:40 eythian              @wunder the hauge
09:40 eythian              ...
09:40 huginn               eythian: The current temperature in VOORBURG, Netherlands is 18.2°C (11:37 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
09:40 eythian              @wunder the hague
09:40 eythian              ...
09:40 huginn               eythian: The current temperature in Green Valley Ranch Golf Club, Denver, Colorado is 8.4°C (3:37 AM MDT on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
09:40 eythian              @wunder den haag
09:39 mtompset             ACTIVE bugs.
09:39 mtompset             I went to CPAN... no bug reports for 1.20 ;)
09:38 eythian              I've not noticed any issues with the packaged version, but I haven't looked either
09:37 mtompset             I see what you mean, and it would make my life easier. :)
09:36 eythian              hiya kf
09:36 kf                   hey eythian
09:35 eythian              But if it would work fine, then the minimum should be reduced.
09:35 eythian              If <1.26 wouldn't do the job, fair enough
09:35 eythian              yes, but is it the real minimum, or is it just what was tested?
09:35 mtompset             If I'm doing a git install, I still have to run that.
09:35 mtompset             It's part of the koha_perl_deps.pl script.
09:35 eythian              I could build higher versions, but it would be better that the versions were real minimums for everybody.
09:34 eythian              mtompset: I wonder if the minimum of 1.26 was actually checked for
09:21 mtj                  if people do goofy things with it, thats not really Kyle's fault
09:20 mtj                  … so they can learn to configure there very own git koha
09:20 schnydszch           thanks for the help guys.. it is now okay..
09:19 mtj                  i think Kyle's git VM is to show people how a git koha works
09:05 * mtompset           grumbles, "Debian. BAH! Just as bad as Ubuntu for installing non-packages."
09:04 * mtompset           grumbles, "Good thing I put this section in here about checking the repos for unmarked versions."
09:02 * drojf              goes out to get some sun while it's out there
08:54 mtompset             And I decided to go look at debian repos for items without candidate numbers, and there is a 1.46, but it seems strange to have to go to the repos like this for DEBIAN.
08:53 mtompset             Any ideas on how to get DateTime::Timezone 1.26 considering the default repos, including debian.koha-community.org only have 1.20?
08:52 mtompset             Well, yes, that is true too, Rangi.
08:51 mtompset             I don't know how they got 1.26
08:51 rangi                not as easy as the packages, and you can mess up a git installation a lot easier and make it harder to recover than packages
08:50 mtompset             datetime-timezone is only 1.20, but the minimum is 1.26
08:50 mtompset             Actually, that bug above, reminds me of a bug I want to post.
08:48 mtompset             And less bandwidth consuming than downloading a whole new image.
08:47 mtompset             The advantage of a git system is updating it becomes very easy.
08:45 drojf                mtompset: it appears to be a git installation. i'm not really sure as to why you would want to give that out ready-made, which to me kind of implies you can use it without knowledge of the system
08:45 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Missing dependencies for Debian package
08:45 jenkins_koha         Chris Cormack: Bug 7409 : Missing dependency on DBD::Mock
08:45 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_3.8.x build #177: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/177/
08:44 mtompset             Oh well... I was probably on the right track.
08:43 mtompset             Does that file I said exist, schnydszch?
08:42 mtompset             drojf, I think this virtual machine is a DEV machine.
08:40 mtompset             ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml?
08:39 drojf                i don't think i like ready-built virtual machines much more than live-cds
08:39 mtompset             WRONG config file.
08:39 mtompset             Oh...
08:36 magnuse              no idea ;-)
08:33 schnydszch           i think it is the rebuild zebra is already running i'm just waiting for it to finish, how could that happen when /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml was working?
08:30 magnuse              /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml is the one to use, then
08:30 schnydszch           in three directories
08:30 schnydszch           ah okay there is.. /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml
08:29 eythian              'locate koha-conf.xml'?
08:28 magnuse              well, if there is no /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml it will not work
08:28 schnydszch           but there is no koha-conf.xml there.. will try anyway
08:28 magnuse              /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
08:27 magnuse              yup
08:27 schnydszch           should i point it there?
08:27 schnydszch           yes
08:26 magnuse              is there a dir called /home/koha/koha-dev ?
08:26 schnydszch           where should or could it be?
08:26 drojf                from the error it seems like it is
08:26 magnuse              no wait, KOHA_CONF might be wrong
08:26 schnydszch           those were predefined I think but now I got the problem
08:25 schnydszch           Environment variable PERL5LIB = /home/koha/kohaclone
08:25 magnuse              hm, that should be ok i think
08:25 schnydszch           Environment variable KOHA_CONF = /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml
08:25 schnydszch           in command line /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra
08:24 schnydszch           in webmin: $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null
08:24 magnuse              which dir are you in when you run it?
08:24 magnuse              how do you run rebuild_zebra?
08:22 schnydszch           errors
08:22 schnydszch           hours ago, my koha virtual machine hanged when i was editing biblio records, so i stopped the virtual machine, when I run rebuild_zebra -b -a -z I got the errots
08:20 schnydszch           no /usr/share/koha directory
08:20 mtompset             None of us do, and unfortunately khall is idle.
08:20 drojf                oh it's a git installation?
08:20 schnydszch           i've checked
08:20 drojf                i'm sorry i don't know anything about that virtual machine
08:19 schnydszch           i think it's in /home/koha/kohaclone something like that, i'm no linux expert yet..
08:19 mtompset             you checked?
08:19 schnydszch           no, since kyle hall's different
08:19 mtompset             is there a /usr/share/koha directory?
08:18 mtompset             (prior to installation)
08:18 schnydszch           the mysql server
08:18 mtompset             those values scream of blib.
08:18 schnydszch           at least in webmin
08:18 mtompset             drojf: I think he is running the script from the wrong directory, or something.
08:18 schnydszch           it's running
08:17 drojf                schnydszch: have you checked that mysql-server is running?
08:17 schnydszch           is there a new one?
08:17 wahanui              drojf: I forgot previous one
08:17 drojf                wahanui: forget the previous one
08:16 schnydszch           that was working ok last week
08:16 wahanui              the previous one is probably now closed as a duplicate - stick to 6481
08:16 schnydszch           oh the previous one
08:16 mtompset             I thought he had a newer one which is 3.8.4
08:15 schnydszch           kyle hall's virtual machine
08:13 mtompset             Where did you get the virtual machine?
08:10 schnydszch           I didn't do anything with my database
08:09 schnydszch           I tried running the rebuild zebra script in webmin and in command line but I get that error message, what could be the problem?
08:09 schnydszch           it's a virtual machine actually, i've installed webmin
08:08 schnydszch           koha 3.8.1 on debian
08:07 mtompset             What are you using?
08:04 schnydszch           how do i fix the problem?
08:04 schnydszch           i'm having problem running a perl script specifically rebuild_zebra, i'm getting this error messsage: DBI connect('dbname=__DB_NAME__;host=__DB_HOST__;port=__DB_PORT__','__DB_USER__',...) failed: Unknown MySQL server host '__DB_HOST__' (1) at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/Context.pm line 758 Unknown MySQL server host '__DB_HOST__' (1) at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/C
07:57 kf                   hi mtompset
07:57 mtompset             Greetings, kf.
07:56 kf                   good morning #koha
07:42 jenkins_koha         Starting build #177 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:41 mtompset             Hmmm?
07:30 mtompset             This makes for more commands to do a simple git install (which is something people who wish to develop should be doing)
07:29 mtompset             Turns out there are several dependencies missing in the debian.packages file under install_misc
07:29 mtompset             Well, the interesting this is I get to use my check_deps.sh script (which I haven't in a while).
07:28 * mtompset           grins.
07:19 drojf                mtompset: "debian" sounded right, the rest not so much :P
07:09 * mtompset           is following Ubuntu tarball instructions on Debian, "How much more wrong can I get?"
07:07 * mtompset           cackles with gleeful madness.
07:07 mtompset             Yes, there are files to update. :)
07:01 gaetan_B             hello
06:47 wahanui              hello, julian_m
06:47 julian_m             hello
06:44 * mtompset           notes that this will help with a git install too, so it isn't as evil as it sounds.
06:44 * mtompset           proceeds into the madness of doing a tarball install on Debian. ;)
06:43 mtompset             Greetings, all who came in and I didn't get around to acknowledging. :)
06:41 wahanui              niihau, reiveune
06:41 reiveune             hello
06:39 magnuse              bonjour alex_a
06:37 drojf                hi alex_a
06:35 wahanui              bonjour, alex_a
06:35 alex_a               bonjour
06:06 cait                 hmpf
06:06 magnuse              nice pics though
06:00 cait                 wrong window
06:00 cait                 ups
06:00 magnuse              hiya drojf and cait
05:59 cait                 hi magnuse
05:59 drojf                hei magnuse
05:58 magnuse              kia ora #koha!
05:58 cait                 :)
05:58 drojf                heh
05:58 drojf                wouldn't it be better by plane actually?
05:58 cait                 next time maybe take the plane...
05:58 cait                 :)
05:58 drojf                so much for coming here more often
05:57 cait                 it was a long day
05:57 drojf                :(
05:57 drojf                omg
05:57 cait                 somewhere in the black forrest
05:56 cait                 suicide/accident
05:56 drojf                uh
05:56 drojf                did you have a good trip home?
05:56 cait                 make it 11
05:56 drojf                spent even
05:55 drojf                no, because i spend a lot of time relaxing yesterday while you had to ride the train for 10 hours
05:54 cait                 hm as tired as I am?
05:53 cait                 are you as tired as me today?
05:53 cait                 good morning drojf :)
05:53 drojf                good morning cait :)
05:50 cait                 good morning #koha
05:25 * drojf              is off to the shower
05:23 drojf                to do stuff for all your 777-fields
05:23 drojf                and then <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[@tag=777]">
05:23 drojf                to see if you have that field
05:22 drojf                like <xsl:if test="marc:datafield[@tag=777]">
05:22 drojf                you can check whether a field is available, check indicators, check subfields and then do stuff with that
05:20 Waylon               ah? so koha does infact expose all fields to the XSLT system, and the file picks the ones it needs?
05:19 drojf                what i would do is open the xslt file you would like to edit and have a look there how it is done for fields that are present
05:19 Waylon               okay, how do i give fields to XSLT?
05:18 drojf                not all fields are in xslt by default, you can add what you like
05:17 drojf                but you can also specify visibility options for subfields in your MARC frameworks
05:17 Waylon               ?
05:17 Waylon               or does one have to actually declare what fields make it to XSLT
05:17 Waylon               right, so all results get delivered, in full, to XSLT?
05:17 drojf                Waylon: if you have xslt turned on (i think four sysprefs, results and detail for each staff client and opac) then yes
05:16 wahanui              somebody said xslt was a maze of twisty turny passages, all alike. or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSLT and the pages at http://cs.au.dk/~amoeller/XML/transformation/ may be useful for learning the basics.
05:16 Waylon               xslt?
05:14 Waylon               to alter what information gets displayed in search results, and where/how it looks, i edit xslt?
05:05 mtompset             Okay... fresh debian install... let's see what happens.
05:03 mtompset             Woo hoo! Kudos go out to my friends in the Computer Science Club at the University of Waterloo in Canada. I can sudo apt-get update!
05:03 huginn               drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 14.0°C (6:42 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
05:03 drojf                @wunder berlin, germany
05:03 Waylon               anyone know why the subject list in Normal view, becomes one long link?
04:58 drojf                hi mtompset
04:58 mtompset             Greetings, drojf and sorry for the massive delay in acknowledgement: Waylon. :)
04:55 drojf                hi Waylon
04:55 Waylon               good morning drojf
04:55 drojf                good morning #koha
04:40 Waylon               hmm.. odd.. subject(s) line, the subjects arn't split into a list, but instead, is one link, with lotsa and queries.
04:38 Waylon               had to diff it to find it.]
04:38 Waylon               yes.
04:38 rangi                14:00 < mtj> bad user/password caused by a bad file path? pointing to a bad zebra db?, etc...
04:36 Waylon               thankyou diff -r.
04:36 Waylon               .......... -facepalms- bad password due to bad path.
04:31 Waylon               does the more attributes in bib1.att, equal more time to index the db?
04:29 Waylon               hmmmmmmm... old zebra setup has alot of missing attributes from bib1.att.... curious. yet in koha 3.0 it worked fine..
04:22 Waylon               hmm... comp crashed.
04:00 wajasu               yes.
03:59 mtompset             KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB environment variables depend on your build.
03:55 Waylon               right.
03:54 rangi                s/not/know/
03:54 rangi                but you should not what you are doing
03:54 rangi                nginx is fine
03:54 Waylon               same answer for nginx?
03:54 rangi                thats why its scripts for developers
03:54 rangi                not even close
03:53 Waylon               plack not ready for production?
03:53 wajasu               ok followup. suggestion patch.
03:52 wajasu               i can install via cpanm, but does won't need to get plack and other modules as "optional" dependencies?
03:51 mtj                  send a follow-up patch?
03:50 wajasu               i looked at it.  i wish it would use whatever my KOHA_CONF environment is out of the box/git.
03:49 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , plack scripts for developers
03:49 wajasu               whats the deal with bug 7844
03:47 wajasu               gotcha
03:47 rangi                git send-email  does it for you
03:47 wajasu               you mean i can push?
03:46 rangi                you dont even need to do a format-patch
03:46 rangi                in newer git
03:46 rangi                you'd be glad they were in the mailing list archives
03:46 rangi                also, if i go mad one day and rm -rf the server that runs bugzilla
03:46 wajasu               now i can spend more time on test plan and writing tests.
03:46 rangi                no need, its still nice practice for new ones, don't bother sending signed off ones
03:45 * wajasu             reading koha-devel.  no need to send patches to koha-patches list?
03:34 wajasu               its just because the accessid was in the preferences, and it cause us to go get one.  we didn't need it.
03:33 wajasu               i don't mind.
03:33 rangi                never made it because they kept changing their API, and more importantly their T&C
03:33 wajasu               not that a labrary would want revenue. if its available.
03:32 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove usage of Amazon API
03:32 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4460 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Amazon's AssociateID tag not used in links so referred revenue lost
03:32 wajasu               i noticed bug 4460 never made it (i posted that in 2010).  and now bug 8679 is in there.
03:30 mtj                  … and the words 'hidden' throughtout it
03:30 rangi                there quick answer
03:27 mtompset             Though I think the "great wall of install" may have discouraged you from reading it. ;)
03:27 mtompset             It's one screen on my computer (19" monitor)
03:27 rangi                too long; didnt read
03:27 mtompset             tl;dr?
03:26 * rangi              has limited hours before a big conference nexxt week
03:26 rangi                its not a tl;dr mail is it?
03:26 rangi                maybe
03:25 mtompset             rangi: Do you know the answers to my 5 questions on koha-devel?
03:25 wajasu               plus i never could bring myself to run  make upgrade.
03:24 wajasu               the wiki is golden now
03:24 wajasu               without the IRC, all one had was INSTALL.
03:23 wajasu               there aren't too many out there these days.
03:22 mtj                  so in every situation… first ask the advice of people wiser than you
03:22 wajasu               i found the debian packages by accident.  i likes the debian packages as well.  my dev VM uses them.  gathering the cpan modules is the beast.
03:21 mtj                  … and now i run from the deb packages… my experience has been smooth and painless
03:20 * mtompset           nods.
03:20 Waylon               instead of trying to use this old config.
03:20 Waylon               im thinking, might be best to examine all the zebra marc setup of old zebra, and make sure the setup is the same in the new zebra config.
03:20 mtj                  me... i just stuck with what the developers recommended, debian
03:20 mtompset             I can see an INSTALL.archlinux "Why are you even thinking of this?! Are you crazy?"
03:19 mtj                  ….from git, too
03:19 wajasu               for 3 years.
03:18 mtj                  wajasu, well, congrats on being the 1st person to ever run a production Koha on archlinux
03:17 wajasu               which i will after 3.10, i hope.
03:17 wajasu               i hoped to get them moved to a vendor.
03:17 wajasu               i had to figure out how to create marc records, write a dump from legacy, import staged, etc.  that took all my time.  i let the user play with the product and never investigated it until it was in production.
03:15 wajasu               the other thing i did after std install was the make test.  i never really got throught them at that point.
03:14 wajasu               i just wanted the source to prove the code worked.
03:14 wajasu               i would go with either.
03:14 wajasu               never spoke with them, but the net had links everywhere then, and I didn't know for sure which was koha.
03:14 mtompset             LL... Okay, clued in.
03:13 rangi                they might have told him to, sounds like something they would say
03:13 mtj                  wajasu, what does LL have to do with running a prod koha from git, on archlinux ?
03:13 wajasu               lime.
03:12 wajasu               who, what is koha
03:12 wajasu               rangi knows.
03:11 mtompset             LL?
03:11 wajasu               oh. you have to remember, that LL stuff was going on, and it confused everything.
03:10 mtompset             (preventitive of tarball installs)
03:10 mtompset             If a "Requirements" link to http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ was added to the http://download.koha-community.org/ page this would provide a preventive step under debian-based OSes. :)
03:10 mtj                  wajasu, if you asked/followed peoples advice , you would have had a painless install expereince too
03:10 wajasu               anyway. arch changes too often to be a server.  it better for desktop devel.
03:09 wajasu               that was the problem.  arch only had like 3 of the deps.  i used a script for the other 50-80+.  later when the dist added packages, they collided.
03:09 rangi                there are people running various ranges, even BSD
03:09 mtj                  wajasu, i asked people what distro i should use, people recommended debian - ive had a painless install experience ever since...
03:09 rangi                same as if you had installed them from their tarballs, or because they are opensource, cloned each one and installed from there
03:08 rangi                if you have used cpan, you need to upgrade them yourself
03:08 rangi                upgrading perl, would upgrade those modules too
03:08 rangi                thats why using cpan, if you can use packaged versions of modules, is discouraged .. so on .deb based or even rpm based ones (later centos anyway)
03:08 wajasu               i did.
03:07 mtj                  wajasu, if you choose an advanced/expert install on uncommon distros, expect unique problems
03:07 wajasu               the real problem i found with running perl, groovy, or scripting stuff, is if the OS breaks the perl libs (archlinux was new with perl) and hardly had perl stuff.
03:07 rangi                koha itself wont have broken just modules it depends on will no longer by compiled for the right version of perl, and/or installed in a findable path
03:07 mtompset             Actually, I was wondering if a "Requirements" link to http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ could be added to the http://download.koha-community.org/ page.
03:06 rangi                i have an old 2.2.9 running under perl 5.16
03:06 wajasu               each year, waiting for a version working as well as 3.0.145 to migrate to.
03:05 rangi                or you could have just cpanned the modules into 14
03:05 wajasu               had to rollback crippled. at 3.0.145
03:05 wajasu               bam. koha broke.
03:05 wajasu               archlinux update (pacman (rpm/apt-get))  installed perl 14, now its per 5.16.1
03:04 wajasu               but then i got burned after it ran for a year.
03:04 wajasu               because the install did not say "debian" is ...,   i assume any linux/unix would suffice, becuase its perl., so archlinux.
03:03 mtompset             Okay, good the koha-community.org pages link to the old packages install info under Lucid.
03:03 schnydszch           if i delete the data in import_records and import_items table, could there be a problem? like it would delete bibliographic records and item records? or any other problems?
03:03 wajasu               plus using VMs was newer then.
03:02 wajasu               then folks said, its a go. and there was know time to install over and over with all those cpan deps.
03:02 wajasu               pull source.   see install.   spend weeks  pulling deps.   almost bailm and say, this is junk.  but persisted.  ran zebrasrv under root, though i wanted to run it as koha user.  started migrating old lib db to koha "test environment"
03:00 wajasu               lets write what you said in the install  "It is suggested to..."   because what i did 3 years ago was:
02:59 rangi                the and VM should run from packages
02:59 rangi                yes that's why its a bad idea
02:59 rangi                doesnt mean we should encourage that
02:59 mtompset             That percentage will increase as khall's VM images become more popular. :)
02:59 rangi                i know they do
02:59 wajasu               i know folks do that.
02:59 rangi                i mean running a non released version in production ...
02:59 wajasu               its the root of everything. (though not its distributed :)
02:58 rangi                ppl who are running from git are the .00001% anyway
02:58 wajasu               well then we are cool then :)
02:58 rangi                yes
02:58 wajasu               are the release notes in the git kohaclone directory?
02:57 rangi                yep, which is why the release notes tell people to use the packages, and when they are in debian proper, ppl will install from there rather than going to either
02:56 mtompset             For a debian-based OS, that's an initial mis-step.
02:56 rangi                yeah you dont have many years on me :) so you cant pull the old gen card on me
02:56 mtompset             Okay... but if they go to download.koha-community.org they are going to get a tarball.
02:56 wajasu               45
02:56 rangi                thats ridiculous
02:56 wajasu               because its opensource :)
02:56 rangi                how old are you wajasu?
02:55 rangi                and why you would install from git not a released version ....
02:55 wajasu               git, sv, cvs, zmodem, bbs, whatever
02:55 rangi                git hasnt existed
02:55 rangi                heh
02:55 wajasu               maybe for new gen.   for old gen guys like me, its been  what i wrote since the 1980s.
02:54 rangi                they go to download.koha-community.org or koha-community.org
02:54 rangi                no one does either of those
02:54 mtompset             Look for Install
02:54 mtompset             Look for OS
02:54 mtompset             Go to wiki
02:54 mtompset             Actually, I would assume:
02:53 wajasu               just as a techie, with open source, etc     I would assume a tech, 1) grabs code from git. 2) reads README, and INSTALL, and INSTALL wiith distribution suffix.  If nothing mentions packages, he won't go there, and it might take months to discover their existence.
02:53 mtompset             Well, archlinux is not a debian-based OS, so you can probably continue to get away with tarball installs.
02:52 mtompset             You'll notice that my very first question was about the recommended upgrade path from pre-3.4 to current.
02:51 mtompset             Sadly, no one has replied with answers yet.
02:50 mtompset             wajasu: That's why I was asking my questions on the koha-devel list.
02:50 wajasu               so i go to git. pull code.  read INSTALL.   and have no clue about wiki or koha-common.  i just think that is there is a new way, ie packages, we need to mention it in the INSTALL.
02:49 wajasu               there is no wiki in my setup world.  why?  we don't refer to it in the gt INSTALLS.   if something changed in 3.4  i wouldn't know. i'm someone updateing from 3.0 -> 3.10 (i hope).
02:48 mtompset             I think a standard install from git is possible, but it seems bizarre to mix development with what would normally be in production.
02:47 mtompset             Because that is what everything runs as after the installation and everything is set up.
02:47 wajasu               the standard install is what i use.   thats all i would know about from the git.
02:47 mtompset             You need the koha account.
02:47 mtompset             you answer standard.
02:47 mtompset             When building tarball (the old way of doing install prior to Koha 3.4)...
02:47 wajasu               right.
02:46 wajasu               packages is new to me.   this third way needs to be mentioned in INSTALL as an option.  If its production ready.
02:46 mtompset             It's a development system.
02:46 mtompset             It all runs as you.
02:46 mtompset             There's no need for a koha user.
02:46 mtompset             This means it goes into your home directory.
02:46 mtompset             When building git, you normally answer dev.
02:45 mtompset             Both git and tarball need to be built.
02:45 mtompset             and tarball (standard)
02:45 mtompset             git (dev)
02:45 mtompset             packages (koha-common)
02:45 mtompset             No, because there are three kinds of installs:
02:44 wajasu               koha-common isn't even something that I consider in production yet.  its not mentioned in the git INSTALLs.
02:44 mtompset             but that is tarball install focused.
02:44 mtompset             I have put out INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04
02:43 mtompset             I am currently editing http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
02:42 wajasu               oh
02:42 mtompset             That's not the file I am editing.
02:42 wajasu               kohaclone/INSTALL
02:42 mtompset             Link or filename, please.
02:41 wajasu               the ones you are editing/writing.   I am only looking at INSTALL right now.
02:41 mtompset             Because perhaps that's a point I need to clarify.
02:41 mtompset             Which instructions?
02:41 wajasu               3 years ago i used git.  pulled things as koha.
02:41 wajasu               are these instructions for koha-common at all.  If so, I think koha-common creates the koha account in a pre/post install script.
02:41 mtompset             And, from what I can tell, it is only necessary for a "standard" install, which is typically a tarball install.
02:40 mtompset             The koha account creation is AFTER.
02:39 mtompset             When a person makes a system, they don't usually create the koha account first. They create their own first.
02:39 wajasu               so the the commands in INSTALL that have sudo before them infer what?  koha has sudo abilites for those commands, OR one should be root .  Maybe we should say "As root:"
02:38 rangi                anyway, i have work to do, ill leave you to your madness
02:38 mtompset             The point is to limit access for the koha account, not create another hackable point.
02:37 mtompset             I have to agree that koha ALL=(ALL) ALL is bad.
02:37 rangi                thats immaterial
02:37 wahanui              hmmm... and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ?
02:37 rangi                and?
02:37 wajasu               i usually do make install as root.
02:36 rangi                thats the entire point
02:36 rangi                the koha user is who should own the files after install (or some user that does most definitely not have root privileges)
02:35 rangi                you dont install with the koha user
02:35 wajasu               why do we have sudo in INSTALL?
02:35 rangi                why would the koha user need to run anything as root?
02:34 wajasu               but maybe you can specificy what koha may run as root.
02:33 wajasu               its a dev VM.
02:33 wajasu               i know.
02:33 wajasu               i put that in my preseed.cfg  because i had issues as well i guess.  I had top chmod +rw the file, edit it, and chmod 0440 afterward.  i believe the file must be secured with the correct permissions  before sudoers will work.
02:32 mtj                  wajasu, thats a bad bad thing….
02:29 wajasu               i have:   koha ALL=(ALL) ALL   in my /etc/sudoers
02:27 wajasu               # use sudo)."   though i do set the root password to koha.
02:27 wajasu               in my preseed.cfg there is a place for account setup that mentions: "Skip creation of a root account (normal user account will be able to
02:22 wajasu               let me look at my VM script.
02:22 mtompset             But that was a post-install problem, not an install problem. :)
02:22 mtompset             Though, I do recall having to grant cron or at access. Can't recall which.
02:21 mtompset             not that I know of.
02:21 mtompset             No.
02:20 wajasu               do you have to grant sudo to koha?
02:20 mtompset             And as I have no idea what to fix, I'm just doing a fresh install today in hopes that it works now.
02:20 wajasu               if you refer to my script, which, you can see which apt-get and repos I set.  i don't know if the preferred whay to install is to use koha-common now.
02:19 mtompset             Yes, the day after I set up my debian... the sudo apt-get update broke, because something decided to not exist.
02:16 wajasu               nevermind.
02:15 mtompset             Yes, I know. A ridiculed platform.
02:15 mtompset             I'm running Windows 7 and virtualbox.
02:15 wajasu               if you have libvirt running under debian, you could probably run my script and watch it all go by.
02:14 mtompset             Right. Okay... not disabled it is. Let's try that way.
02:14 wajasu               the one i pasted the other day.
02:13 wajasu               in that auto install script, i set a root user/password (koha/koha)
02:13 mtompset             Should I just cave and set a root password?
02:12 mtompset             Because last install, I had to go through a hassle to get sudo to work, because I didn't set a root password, so the root account is disabled by default.
02:12 wajasu               I run archlinux.  i run debian in a VM to develop.
02:11 mtompset             Okay, wajasu... Do you use Debian?
02:10 wajasu               jcamins told me i should instal/runl zebrasrv as root.  but i told him the INSTALL infers root.  sudo used before the commands.  but i think if we can run it as koha, we should document it.
02:09 mtompset             Yes, yes I am. These instructions are going to be da bomb.
02:08 wajasu               docmaster testing his instructions?
02:08 mtompset             I couldn't get my last one to do something as simple as "sudo apt-get update" without an error.
02:08 wajasu               hi
02:08 mtompset             Attempting a fresh netinstall of Debian.
02:07 mtompset             Greetings, #koha.
02:02 mtj                  bad user/password caused by a bad file path? pointing to a bad zebra db?, etc...
02:01 mtj                  … saves my stupid ass every day :p
02:00 mtj                  aaah, the many real-world uses of git...
02:00 wajasu               error 1011 bad username/password
01:59 mtj                  thats a pretty useful bit of info, there...
01:58 mtj                  … you also see to see the diff of whats changed between them
01:58 mtj                  and if you 'switch' your configs using git, rather than using cp...
01:54 mtj                  and you cant intergrate your changes…. if you dont know what they are in the 1st place
01:52 mtj                  ie: you currently have no idea what zebra changes you've made ( i assume)
01:52 mtj                  (something you dont have currently)
01:51 mtj                  that way, you now have a commit that contains your mod, at least....
01:51 mtj                  switch to your master branch, attempt to cherry-pick your modded commit
01:50 mtj                  copy your zebra mods to it, then save the commit
01:50 mtj                  reset your branch to relevant v3.0.x tag
01:49 mtj                  make a git branch
01:49 mtj                  heres what i would do then....
01:48 Waylon               switched back to old zebra config files.. reindexed... error 1011
01:47 Waylon               had the master zebra config files working
01:47 Waylon               nope
01:47 mtj                  last nite you had your old zebra configs working, just fine?
01:46 mtj                  in your confg files
01:45 mtj                  Waylon, most likely a typo
01:06 Waylon               anyone have any idea whats going on?
01:03 Waylon               okay, using the old zebra config of mandumah gives 1011 error, bad user or password. the master zebra config works fine. ive checked the passwd file for both, and they are exactly the same.
01:02 Waylon               hiya all