IRC log for #koha, 2012-08-30

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00:06 rangi mtj++ #writing tests
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00:07 Judit MORNING
00:07 Judit sorry
00:09 jcamins EVENING! :D
00:09 Judit :D
00:09 * jcamins thinks everyone should be that excited about their time of day.
00:10 Judit i am
00:13 jcamins Okay, what about this compromise for 8523: start out with replicating the existing functionality for non-UNIMARC, with a follow-up patch adding a cron job to generate bidirectional links from unidirectional data.
00:13 rangi that works
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00:15 jcamins *?
00:16 rangi as a compromise
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00:19 jcamins I don't want to do anything too big with this because the feature currently works with UNIMARC, and the larger the change, the more likely it is to break that.
00:19 rangi *nod*
00:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #147: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/147/
00:21 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8626: Fix encoding in cart emails for use of quoted-printable
00:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8596 - Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates
00:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8626 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Encoding problem with = in cart emails
00:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates
00:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #148 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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00:31 jcamins mtj: not quite working there.
00:31 rangi hmm nope still reporting old already reported stuff
00:37 rangi 49!
00:37 mtj meh, im gonna give that birdy a rest ...
00:38 rangi probably twitter screwing with their api again
00:38 rangi they are a great case in point why building a business model on someone elses proprietary platform is a dumb move
00:39 mtj what was the platform?
00:39 rangi twitter
00:39 rangi[…]d-you-care-965306
00:39 mtj aah , i thought you meant twitter build their platform, on another proprietary platform
00:40 rangi it's also a case why open api's aren't enough
00:40 rangi apis too
00:40 rangi if its not free software, you are still not in control
00:42 rangi http://catalogue.bu.univ-renne[…]ish&searchOn=OPAC
00:42 rangi purty!
00:45 rangi they really did a lovely job on the css there
00:46 jcamins Nice!
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00:52 dcook Morning #koha!
00:52 rangi heya dcook
00:52 rangi hows canada?
00:52 jcamins Welcome back to this side of the Pacific/Atlantic.
00:52 dcook Thanks, jcamins :)
00:53 dcook Hey rangi. Vancouver is certainly growing on me again
00:53 dcook How've the past few weeks gone?
00:54 rangi not too bad, busy, but can't complain
00:56 dcook That's good to hear. I downloaded about 1200 emails, but it was a reasonable amount of work left in the end. Yay for filters.
00:58 rangi :)
01:11 mtj wow, rennes is the best koha opac i've ever seen
01:12 loui mtj kindly post his OPAC url here. tnx
01:12 jcamins loui: it was just posted a half hour ago by rangi.
01:13 mtj[…]2-08-30#i_1062517
01:14 loui Sorry wasn't paying attention to previous messages.
01:14 loui Thank you mtj.
01:14 mtj loui, and now you know where the logs are :)
01:14 dcook Wow, that is a beauty
01:15 mtj i like the red person, with a head made of books
01:15 loui yeah wow.. nice opac.
01:15 libsysguy i like the cover images moved over
01:16 rangi yeah they look nice on the left
01:16 libsysguy it makes it feel more stream lined
01:16 rangi *nod*
01:16 libsysguy also the refine your search options are nicely spaced and laid out
01:16 jcamins That's why I wanted to sign off on the change from <table> to <div> for results.
01:16 libsysguy
01:17 rangi *nod*
01:17 rangi use tables for things that should be tabular, the end
01:17 libsysguy sometimes I cheat and use them for forms :-/
01:18 jcamins lol
01:18 jcamins Good content on that website.
01:18 libsysguy indeed
01:18 libsysguy classy
01:18 rangi sometimes you have to .. depending if you have to support horrible old browsers
01:18 rangi but really for koha, we dont need to
01:19 rangi not anymore anyway
01:20 libsysguy sometimes I get a little nostalgic about the good ol' days of IE6
01:20 libsysguy :p
01:22 * dcook twitches
01:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #148: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/148/
01:23 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 8663 Fix the use of hardcoded date format for the calendar widget of hard due date
01:23 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8621: Alternative template for cart email
01:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8663 normal, P3, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Stable , Circulation rules hard due date calendar wrong format
01:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8621 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Template for sending out carts not formatting correctly
01:25 libsysguy so I bought Perl Best Practices last week and have rather enjoyed reading it.  Does anybody have other reading suggestions?  I'm about to start working on a testing suite *hint* *hint*
01:25 rangi modern perl
01:25 wahanui rumour has it modern perl is a good one too
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01:26 libsysguy dang it play store doesn't have it
01:27 libsysguy but its $5 on the kindle
01:27 jcamins libsysguy: O'Reilly?
01:27 libsysguy[…]words=modern+perl
01:27 libsysguy ?
01:28 libsysguy hey I read that head first java book when I was in highschool
01:28 libsysguy I really enjoyed it
01:28 jcamins Oh, Modern Perl isn't an OReilly book.
01:28 loui So I need to study perl to be able to modify Koha codes?:(
01:28 rangi yes
01:29 libsysguy mmhmm
01:29 libsysguy to know perl is to know the language of the programming gods
01:29 libsysguy :p
01:29 loui Never used perl before. I just got interested when I tested KOHA.:D
01:30 jcamins At least the trickster gods.
01:30 jcamins Koha isn't an acronym, so the only letter you need to capitalize is the 'K.'
01:30 loui Ok its time to understand God. lol
01:30 rangi
01:30 jcamins lol
01:30 jcamins A favorite. :)
01:30 libsysguy personal favorite
01:31 libsysguy ok rangi I bought that book
01:31 libsysguy it better be good :p
01:32 rangi it is
01:32 jcamins If only there were a place from which you could borrow books for free.
01:32 libsysguy yeah idk where that would be
01:32 rangi anything by chromatic is good
01:32 libsysguy I couldn't get a library card
01:32 jcamins Maybe there could be one in every community.
01:32 libsysguy so I think I am out of options
01:32 jcamins Or even associated with every school.
01:32 rangi[…]atic_(programmer)
01:32 jcamins Naw.
01:32 jcamins That'd be crazy.
01:33 rangi
01:33 rangi i get it from there
01:33 libsysguy if only these places could be not so exclusive
01:33 rangi and donate to the other
01:33 rangi publishes are dicks and i dont want to encourage them :)
01:34 libsysguy agreed
01:34 loui I am working in a library with 35 thousand collections with only 2 perl old books.:(
01:35 libsysguy well perl is old anyway
01:35 libsysguy but not crusty
01:35 jcamins loui: libsysguy lives in a city with at least a half dozen libraries.
01:35 loui And these 2 books was never used. heh
01:35 libsysguy jcamins don't encourage loui to make fun of me :p
01:35 loui libsysguy you are lucky.
01:36 libsysguy i recently moved here
01:36 libsysguy but I used to work at a library (academic)
01:36 libsysguy it was…enlightening
01:39 loui anyone for perl vs php?;)
01:39 jcamins loui: Koha is written in Perl.
01:39 * jcamins thinks this is a signal benefit of Perl over PHP.
01:40 loui jcamins you are right. I really need to learn Perl. My boss really likes Koha.
01:41 jcamins Koha is great. :)
01:42 loui Guys any suggestion of Perl IDE for windows?
01:42 jcamins loui: vim. I don't think IDEs work well with Perl.
01:42 jcamins (if you prefer, you can use Emacs, or any other text editor, of course)
01:43 * libsysguy recommends emacs
01:43 jcamins You're going to need to set up a Linux system to do your development on.
01:43 libsysguy don't listen to these guys VI and VIM are evil
01:43 libsysguy :p
01:43 jcamins You can use VirtualBox to run a virtual machine with Debian.
01:43 jcamins
01:43 loui ok tnx guys.
01:43 libsysguy I'm just kidding, use whatever you're comfortable with
01:48 libsysguy loui the way I started learning Koha was to think up a spall something I wanted to do and then try and do it
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02:36 * dcook glares at staff client search result formatting/punctuation
02:38 dcook It appears that series title doesn't appear in the staff client search results, but series volume does...and it appears right after the title and before the author...
02:39 * dcook wonders where the best place to put series information would be in the search results
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03:40 Oak Ahoy me hearties
03:40 Oak and crickets
03:56 dcook Allo Oak :)
03:59 Oak :)
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04:13 mtompset Woo hoo! I found the case that breaks it!
04:16 dcook Nice one, mtompset
04:16 mtompset I can now move forward with getting my patch processed.
04:17 dcook Always a handy thing ;)
04:17 mtompset give this a whirl: cataloguing, cataloguing search: 9876543210, check the error logs.
04:18 dcook Alas, I don't have much time these days, my good man, or I certainly would
04:18 * dcook is at 1.5 days a week while he finishes off his degree.
04:19 dcook Much rather be Kohaing than studying, but c'est la vie
04:20 mtompset Cool. Don't want to distract you from studying. :)
04:22 dcook Well, I am working atm ;). Looking at porting bug 8033 back to 3.2
04:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
04:23 dcook Mmm...forgot about the template differences
04:23 * dcook facepalm
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04:44 mtompset Ah yes. template differences.
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05:20 mtompset Greetings, Oak and cait.
05:22 cait hello
05:28 Oak hello :)
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05:32 drojf good morning #koha
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05:55 cait good morning Viktor :)
05:56 mtompset Greetings, Viktor.
05:57 mtompset Oak: Last night/This morning... I believe it was bag and mtj doing pirate greetings. You're done with the pirate greetings? :)
05:59 Oak nah I did the pirate greeting this morning... then electricity went out, and when it came back, my IRC client auto connected...
06:01 mtompset Ah.
06:01 mtompset Okay, I missed it.
06:01 Oak :)
06:01 mtompset I guess I'll be walkin' da plank. ;)
06:01 Oak and how are you today mtompset ?
06:02 mtompset (need to reboot)
06:02 Oak is not it morning?
06:02 mtompset Tired. A backup failed last night, and I got it redone before going to bed.
06:02 Oak ah
06:02 mtompset It's 2pm.
06:02 mtompset (in my timezone)
06:02 mtompset Be back in a bit.
06:03 mtompset Yes, I typed that, because acronyms suck. :)
06:03 Oak okay :)
06:26 alex_a bonjour !
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06:32 mtompset Finally! Got my headphone jack tweaked enough to work.
06:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui hey, reiveune
06:40 mtompset bonjour, reiveune
06:40 mtompset greetings, mbalmer
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06:41 marcelr hi koha
06:41 mbalmer good morning. mtompset, all
06:42 marcelr hi mbalmer
06:42 mtompset Greetings, marcelr
06:42 marcelr and mtompset
06:42 wahanui mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months!
06:45 dcook Quick question for git bz gurus...
06:45 dcook If I use git bz to apply a patch...and then that patch is re-submitted...would I have to revert that first patch before trying its replacement?
06:46 dcook In this scenario, they're not using follow-ups, but...maybe people do actually use follow-ups instead?
06:46 mtompset Sorry, I am not the guru on this.
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06:47 dcook Hmm, I suppose if this situation arose...I could do a diff and then make my own local follow-up for my git...hmm
06:47 dcook Thanks anyways :)
06:52 dcook Hmm, looks like bug 8033 has conflicts with 3.8 anyway...
06:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
06:52 dcook At least 3.8.0...
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07:02 dcook Aha! Applying 8111 first helped resolve the conflict/lack of context
07:05 marcelr bug 8111
07:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
07:36 dcook Blah...looks like there are other things preventing 8033 from working
07:36 dcook Although there are no warnings...just no content
07:36 * dcook takes a look at and
07:41 * mtompset cheers on dcook in his coding quest.
07:49 mtompset Hmmm... shouldn't the C4::Breeding in 3.8.x have a LOWER version number than the C4::Breeding in master?
07:51 dcook I would think so yes
07:52 dcook And thanks for the cheers, but I'm defeated for the day. I'll have to try again on Monday ;)
07:52 mtompset I don't think my master is broken... but the version is 3.7 something vs. 3.8.x's 3.8 something.
07:53 dcook Hmm, mine is the same
07:53 dcook In hindsight, it might be more complicated
07:54 mtompset Well, I'm going to ignore it.. and just generate a patch up. :)
07:54 dcook And perhaps more local than the whole instance?
07:55 dcook Anyway, I got to jet
07:55 dcook Good luck!
07:55 mtompset As far as I can tell, it won't affect my patch.
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08:10 mtompset Greetings, eythian.
08:10 eythian hallo
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08:31 kf good morning #koha
08:32 eythian hi kf
08:32 kf hi eythian
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09:01 mtompset Does anyone know what "rc" means in the output of dpkg -l?
09:04 eythian r=remove c=config files still around
09:06 mtompset So how do I toast the config files?
09:06 eythian apt-get remove --purge
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09:15 mtompset Seems I have to get lower "dpkg --purge", but thanks. :)
09:15 mtompset eythian++
09:16 eythian oh, yeah. If it's already removed I suppose apt-get won't do anything.
09:17 ibeardslee things like synaptic seem to be able to track that and completely remove more
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10:32 mtompset you don't have synaptic installed on a server, ibeardslee . :)
10:33 kf_mtg eythian++
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11:15 mtompset What does an "assignee" have to do for a bug report?
11:15 jcamins_away mtompset: write the patch.
11:15 jcamins_away Generally.
11:15 jcamins_away Sometimes a bug report is assigned to the wrong person.
11:16 mtompset Okay... I've done that. I even figured out what to do to test it.
11:16 mtompset bug 8350
11:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
11:20 jcamins mtompset: put the test plan on the bug.
11:20 mtompset It's in the comments on the bug.
11:21 mtompset not to mention... the description is it.
11:21 jcamins Good.
11:21 mtompset I even attached 3.6, 3.8, and master patches.
11:22 mtompset though the 3.8 and master patches are essentially identical.
11:22 jcamins You should only attach separate patches if the patch for master won't apply to the previous branches.
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11:23 mtompset well there were line number shifts between 3.6 and 3.8
11:24 mtompset oh... does it make sense that the C4::Breeding version is smaller in master than 3.8?
11:25 jcamins git will handle line number changes, if the lines in that area are the same.
11:25 jcamins Doesn't matter.
11:26 mtompset okay, so I patch over-killed.
11:28 jcamins I will test your patch.
11:28 mtompset Thanks, jcamins.
11:29 jcamins Hm.
11:29 jcamins I need to prune some branches, I think.
11:30 jcamins Are all three patches identical?
11:31 jcamins Yup.
11:31 mtompset 3.6 has line shifts.
11:32 mtompset I've never attempted to apply a patch, so I wasn't sure how that works.
11:32 jcamins All identical. :)
11:32 mtompset Identical in content, but they were all done in the systems they are labeled. :P
11:33 jcamins Right, you forgot to label 3.6.x.
11:33 jcamins However, it doesn't matter because there should only be one patch.
11:34 mtompset I suppose you could sign one off and obsolete the rest. ;)
11:34 jcamins I am doing so.
11:34 jcamins If it works.
11:35 mtompset One bad patch, and I get "if". :P
11:35 jcamins Looks good.
11:38 mtompset Thanks for testing it, jcamins.
11:42 jcamins When writing patch messages, please be sure to A) put a brief -- ~50 character --  description on the first line, B) put an enlarged description manually wrapped at 72 characters starting on the third line, and C) use carriage returns.
11:43 * jcamins fixed it for this patch, just for the future.
11:46 mtompset (a) Yes, I figured that after the fact, (b) 65 all the way, baby ;), and (c) 1 d0n't L1k3 cR's. ;)
11:47 mtompset jcamins++
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11:47 mtompset pootle?
11:47 wahanui rumour has it pootle is down for me - can someone else check
11:47 mtompset wahanui, I wanted a URL.
11:47 wahanui mtompset: sorry...
11:47 jcamins forget pootle
11:47 wahanui jcamins: I forgot pootle
11:48 jcamins pootle is
11:48 jcamins mtompset: 65-character wrapping is fine, too.
11:48 mtompset Why is it called pootle?
11:48 jcamins That's the software.
11:49 mtompset Ah... Well, pootle is down for me too.
11:49 mtompset pootle?
11:49 wahanui i heard pootle was
11:49 jcamins It's up for me.
11:49 jcamins forget pootle
11:49 wahanui jcamins: I forgot pootle
11:49 jcamins pootle is
11:50 jcamins I must have misspelled something.
11:52 mtompset No, it came up... I blame my internet.
11:52 mtompset I was just running through my list of 25 bugs from the top.
11:53 mtompset first two, can't solve.
11:53 mtompset This pootle thing looked possible. But I noticed kf seems to have touched spanish already.
11:54 mtompset So I'll have to ask kf later about it.
11:54 eythian anyone can always add more translations
11:54 mtompset Yes, but she commented on my bug report.
11:54 mtompset So, I figured maybe she fixed it.
11:54 jcamins Yeah, that wasn't a real bug.
11:55 mtompset Well, if you can't install spanish, it is. :P
11:55 kf_mtg hm?
11:56 kf_mtg oh i didn't fix it
11:56 kf_mtg someone else seems to have
11:56 jcamins You can install Spanish even with that.
11:57 kf_mtg but not for 3.8.2 probably
11:57 kf_mtg jcamins: I didn't test it - sometimes you can, sometimes the parser gets too confused and dies
11:58 jcamins kf_mtg: oh, I didn't realize those error messages were ever a serious problem- I've seen them many times, and it installs just fine.
11:58 kf_mtg yeah, but they can be serious - it depends
11:58 kf_mtg some are fatal
11:58 kf_mtg those probably isn't
11:58 kf_mtg since they changed the output of the script it got a bit hard to tell without -v
12:00 mtompset Oh, your name was kf_mtg, I didn't want to disturb you, kf.
12:01 * kf_mtg nick kf
12:01 kf_mtg it's ok, I am back
12:01 kf_mtg but quite busy - leaving earlier today and was away for 2 days because of our koha workshop
12:02 mtompset how did the workshop go?
12:03 kf_mtg ah, it went well :)
12:04 eythian kf_mtg: your nick change didn't work
12:04 kf yeah... I always do that
12:11 mtompset Aren't irc clients supposed to be smart enough to know what you meant? ;)
12:12 kf I hate it when things are trying to be smarter than I am - better leave it like this
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12:27 mtompset Actually, the funny thing is... I was looking at the .po file and the second error in my bug report was a result of what seemed like commented out rules.
12:29 mtompset which means there may be a bug.
12:29 mtompset But I'll look at that... tomorrow.
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12:38 oleonard Hi #koha
12:38 kf hi oleonard
12:38 kf :
12:38 kf :)
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12:43 mtompset Greetings, oleonard.
12:44 mtompset Thanks for the assignment, oleonard. I figured out a test plan for bug 8350, and jcamins was kind enough to sign it off.
12:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
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12:46 oleonard Glad to hear it mtompset
12:51 * eythian notes that "delete reading history" doesn't seem to work.
12:51 jcamins eythian: better it do nothing than erase all reading history everywhere.
12:51 eythian well, better still it delete the correct history.
12:52 jcamins True.
12:54 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone.
12:54 eythian later
12:56 drojf what will koha do if i import records via "tools" and some have identical barcodes?
12:57 jcamins drojf: blank the barcodes, I think.
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12:58 drojf oh that would be friendly :) so having blank barcodes would be an option if i know which items are problematic beforehand?
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12:59 jcamins No, I don't think it gives you a choice.
12:59 jcamins I haven't tried it, but I think it just blanks the barcodes silently.
12:59 oleonard Okay, meeting time. bbl.
12:59 drojf no i mean before i import the data, i could prepare the data with blank barcodes and that would be ok to import?
12:59 jcamins Oh.
13:00 jcamins Yes.
13:00 jcamins But why do you have duplicate barcodes?
13:01 drojf because we did not have barcodes in the old system. so we decided to use call number as barcode for import and then switch to real barcodes when it is imported. now that some call numbers got changed, some are ambigous
13:01 * jcamins scratches his head.
13:01 jcamins So what are you importing?
13:01 drojf what do you mean?
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13:02 drojf the plan was to put the call number both into the call number and barcode fields when importing
13:02 jcamins Right.
13:02 jcamins So what are the duplicate barcodes?
13:03 jcamins Wait- why are you doing that?
13:03 drojf sorry for confusing you :)
13:03 drojf you mean why the copy of call number to the barcode field?
13:03 jcamins Right.
13:04 drojf because you need the barcode to check out stuff. it will take some time until everything has a real barcode
13:05 kf drojf: I think there is an importoption to deal with duplicate barcodes
13:05 kf eythian developed it
13:05 kf but not sure in which version
13:05 jcamins kf: that's for bulkmarcimport.
13:05 kf oh,
13:06 jcamins I think stage records has always handled it.
13:06 kf that happens when you just read back...
13:06 kf that's possible
13:06 jcamins drojf: okay, I am with you so far.
13:06 kf but I thought it would just not import them at all
13:06 jcamins Then we get to the duplicate issue.
13:06 jcamins Why are you expecting duplicates?
13:06 kf we have "overwritten" items in the past where some items had been missing
13:06 kf and I think the duplicated didn't get added.. hm.
13:07 jcamins kf: I haven't tried in a long time, but I thought it added them anyway, wreaking havoc upon the poor unsuspecting catalog. Easy enough to test.
13:07 jcamins Once we understand what drojf is doing. :)
13:07 kf jcamins: dealing with crazy data I guess
13:08 drojf jcamins: because up until a few weeks ago, all call numbers were distinct, so the copy in the barcode field would have been too. that changed unfortunately, because somebody decided to have the same call number for several items
13:08 drojf kf: yes
13:08 jcamins drojf: okay.
13:08 jcamins Now I understand.
13:09 jcamins There is a problem either way the stage import handles it.
13:09 jcamins If it blanks them, when someone tries to check out the second item that was imported, they'll end up with the wrong book on their record.
13:09 eythian drojf: it's never worth overloading fields like that, someone always changes something that causes problems like this.
13:09 jcamins If it doesn't add the item, you won't have an item.
13:10 jcamins Here's what you need to do:
13:10 kf drojf: would leaving them empty be an option?
13:10 jcamins Figure out which call numbers are duplicated, and don't fill in the barcode for *any* of the items with those call numbers.
13:10 jcamins Any other option is worse.
13:11 drojf jcamins: okay, i will do that. thanks a lot
13:11 eythian ah, bug 6506
13:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , deleting patron history missing errors
13:12 drojf jcamins++ # one day i will find a question you cannot answer ;)
13:12 eythian wahanui: woodchuck
13:12 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
13:12 eythian wahanui: woodchuck is how much would could a jcamins chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
13:12 wahanui OK, eythian.
13:13 eythian no wahanui, woodchuck is how much wood would a jcamins chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
13:13 wahanui okay, eythian.
13:13 * eythian : filling wahanui with useless factoids since 2010 or so
13:21 * druthb chucks skittles, not wood.
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13:22 kf byeall :)
13:22 Joubu hi all
13:23 Joubu jcamins: hi :) For Bug 7992: In fact I think this plugin is not used. "am123" is the name of a BibLibre's customer.
13:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7992 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , new plugin about Automatic Number incrementing inventory. Prefix management from a authorised values list
13:23 jcamins Oh, I thought that was "am" = French for "prefix" and "123" = example number.
13:23 Joubu I agree with you, it is not userfriendly to remove an existing plugin.
13:24 Joubu no :) am= Aix Marseille 2 cities
13:24 kf Joubu: I think it is used
13:24 * jcamins doesn't know the French word for "prefix."
13:24 kf there are more countries using stocknumbers :)
13:24 Joubu jcamins: it's "préfixe" :)
13:24 jcamins Hehe.
13:25 mbalmer FOLKS!
13:25 kf but I have to leave now :)
13:25 kf bye all
13:25 mbalmer do we have a vectorized Koha logo around somewhere?  PDF or PS that is.
13:25 drojf bye kf
13:25 jcamins There's a PS somewhere.
13:25 Joubu kf: ok if you think it's in used, we have to keep it. But is not too much to have 3 plugins for stocknumber?
13:26 kf Joubu: if they work in different ways... I think it might not be a problem
13:26 mbalmer jcamins, do you know where?
13:26 wahanui jcamins, is, like, there something identifiably unique about them
13:26 jcamins Joubu: they do different things in different ways, so I think it's not a problem.
13:26 jcamins jcamins?
13:26 wahanui i heard jcamins was A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
13:26 jcamins where?
13:26 Joubu jcamins: ok but as I said, am123 is not a good name :)
13:27 * jcamins has no idea where wahanui got that from.
13:27 jcamins mbalmer: I do not. Possibly the wiki.
13:27 mbalmer np, tnx anyways
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13:27 jcamins I think it makes sense to keep the name as it is now.
13:28 * eythian is off to a bbq
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13:28 jcamins mtj made it.
13:29 tcohen hi #koha
13:29 jcamins No idea where to find it, though.
13:29 jcamins slef might have a copy.
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13:30 Joubu jcamins: I will propose a new patch
13:30 jcamins Thanks.
13:31 tcohen is there a way we can have suspensions logged the same way fines are?
13:31 slef whowhat?
13:32 slef ah logos
13:32 tcohen a user is suspended by, we'd like to be able to have a way of looking for suspensions on a user for a period of time?
13:32 jcamins Right.
13:32 jcamins tcohen: I don't think there is.
13:32 tcohen oh my
13:32 jcamins tcohen: there should be, though.
13:32 tcohen i'll have to implement it !
13:33 slef there are three around - one on the wiki and two I can send but can't currently upload to the wiki because I'm mobile.
13:33 tcohen I had for 3.0.x
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14:20 WaqarAzeem Hello! i tried to install the gnome-desktop-environment on squeeze virtual appliance... after reboot got a blank screen. the error log shows: No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section"
14:22 jcamins WaqarAzeem: that sounds like an X issue. Unfortunately, I don't know how you would fix it. As an aside, it's generally a better idea not to run a desktop environment on servers.
14:24 WaqarAzeem thanks for the reply. yeah that's rigth not to install the UI. but its wired to find this.
14:26 jcamins My guess (keeping in mind that I haven't had problems with X since xfree86 was current) is that either A) it's the graphics card driver, or B) the X autoconfig didn't run and you don't have any screens configured.
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14:48 jcamins mveron: I heard you don't bake cookies in your dishwasher!
14:52 mveron jcamins: No... But it would be a nice idea... :-)
14:54 * mveron faces an evening shift for some work that urgently has do be done...
14:54 rambutan ah, isn't overtime pay great?
14:55 mveron rambutan: Not if you are your own boss :-)
14:56 rambutan Well, give yourself a raise! :)
14:57 mveron Will do...
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15:08 Brooke o/
15:09 reiveune bye
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15:29 Brooke hey Owen :)
15:30 oleonard Hi
15:30 wahanui privet, oleonard
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16:05 Joubu bye++
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16:27 libsysguy in accountlines, what is the difference between amount and amountoutstanding?
16:28 druthb amount is the original fine amount, and amountoutstanding is how much they owe.
16:33 libsysguy thanks druthb
16:33 druthb yabetcha.
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16:44 nengard hello #koha - at training for a new koha library
16:44 nengard say hello :)
16:45 druthb Hi there!  :)
16:45 * druthb waves from eastern Kansas
16:47 * jcamins waves from New York City.
16:50 * oleonard waves from southeast Ohio
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16:56 oleonard Did mbalmer ever find the Koha logo he was looking for?
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16:57 oleonard It's in misc/interface_customization
16:59 oleonard @later tell mbalmer You can find the Koha logo in various formats in misc/interface_customization
16:59 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
17:03 * oleonard falls under the can't-connect-to-git cloud again
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17:35 gmcharlt quick poll - what would folks think of having call number searches (under staff and opac advanced search) default to callnum,phr,rt ?
17:35 gmcharlt i.e., automatically truncated left-anchored phrase searches?
17:35 jcamins +1
17:39 gmcharlt we have achieved unanimity! ;)
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17:42 * oleonard enthusiastically votes for whatever is in the majority!
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18:22 slef "    The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Users.
18:22 slef You must confirm your e-mail address before editing pages. Please set and validate your e-mail address through your user preferences.
18:22 slef What the heck, wiki???
18:22 slef oh
18:22 slef it's logged me out AGAIN
18:24 drojf slef: still on mobile internet?
18:24 slef drojf: yep
18:24 slef drojf: maybe less than a week to go
18:25 drojf ok that is not too long anymore
18:30 drojf in the manual, is the example for a matching rule correct? it has tag '001', subfield 'a' set to match control number, but the control fields don't have subfields AFAIK http://manual.koha-community.o[…]cordmatchingrules
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18:32 jcamins drojf: I suspect not.
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18:47 wajasu hopes that bug 8378 is signed off so that bug 8607 works with <fine> as well
18:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
18:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , overdue_notices is broken
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18:51 * oleonard encourages wajasu to create an entry on
18:55 * oleonard wonders what might be causing this template error: "unexpected end of input at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/ line 128."
18:55 jcamins oleonard: missing an [% END %]
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18:58 oleonard You're right jcamins, I just hadn't found it yet.
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19:21 * wizzyrea waves
19:25 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
19:34 oleonard I'm working, why not, on Bug 1917, and thinking about RSS feeds for private lists. A good idea?
19:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1917 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add RSS Feeds for Lists
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19:34 oleonard I've seen some sites offer "private" RSS feeds, which are merely feeds with long obscure URLs
19:35 oleonard Hm, but Koha would still ask that the user be logged in without some rewriting...
19:41 drojf "This sounded like a pretty easy enhancement to develop." … 2008-03-04
19:42 oleonard It is, if you take the time to do it :)
19:42 drojf :)
19:42 * oleonard plans to be the last man on Earth still using RSS
19:43 drojf you have to have dreams in life!
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19:44 drojf hi nengard, got a minute? documentation question
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19:45 oleonard Oooh burn.
19:45 slef heh
19:45 drojf well, i tried ;)
19:46 slef hang on... is squeeze-dev head and squeeze 3.8.x?
19:46 jcamins Yes.
19:46 drojf i think so
19:46 slef bah, it's late and I was blindly following someone else's notes which said squeeze-dev
19:46 slef which I don't want on a production system, do I?
19:46 * slef backs stuff out
19:46 drojf the wiki? have done that before
19:48 drojf slef: no, you don't want that on a production system unless you are very adventurous :)
19:48 drojf or your client is
19:48 slef drojf: they're not. Only just persuaded them off 3.0... I think head might be a bit of a shock
19:49 drojf you'll never know if you don't try ;)
19:50 slef I want a quiet life ;)
19:57 slef is it right that there's no tv coverage of the paralympics in the US?
19:58 oleonard[…]948--finance.html
19:58 oleonard "U.S. audiences must contend with 5 1/2 hours of programming — some of which will air only after the 11-day competition in London has concluded on Sept. 9."
19:59 slef ok, so our presenters exaggerated or I misheard
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19:59 oleonard Oh nice, private shelves are no longer private in 3.8.x
19:59 oleonard >:(
20:00 slef oleonard: o_O
20:04 slef (ot:paralympics) ah but all except the 60 minutes highlights show a week after the event are on cable. Well that sucks.
20:05 oleonard A "private" list I created in the ByWater demo: http://catalog.bywatersolution[…]elf=29&sortfield=
20:06 drojf oleonard: looks very secret to me
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20:14 slef ERROR 1044 (42000) at line 4: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' to database 'koha_main'
20:14 slef hrmph
20:15 slef that doesn't usually happen
20:16 oleonard git bisect blames Bug 7310
20:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
20:16 slef improved, huh?
20:17 drojf depends on the perspective i guess
20:17 jcamins I have to say- I prefer the Koha installation procedure to the Evergreen installation procedure.
20:17 oleonard Are you getting into the Evergreen biz jcamins?
20:19 jcamins oleonard: heck no.
20:19 jcamins I just want to install it because I like their QueryParser.
20:19 * oleonard must leave
20:19 drojf oleonard: "3 Share private lists with another patron (as described before). Can be turned on/off with a preference." sounds like you should be able to change the behaviour somewhere
20:19 oleonard Bye #koha
20:20 drojf what is it with people running off after i write to them? maybe i should take a bath
20:21 jcamins lol
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21:25 drojf good night
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21:29 * cait waves
21:29 jcamins How was the picnic?
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21:37 cait picnic?
21:37 jcamins Didn't you make cole slaw for a picnic?
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22:47 mtj interesting apple/samsung discussion ->[…]20120828225612963
22:52 mtj doublefail, both patent and legal systems
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