IRC log for #koha, 2012-08-29

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01:33 mtj oooh, gitweb with plack ->
01:34 mtj i might give that a go….
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02:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:06 mtompset Do I have a data problem?
02:14 mtj hmm, yeah perhaps…? :/
02:15 mtompset Could you check, mtj...
02:15 mtompset Open up OPAC.
02:16 mtompset go to any opac detail.
02:16 mtompset on the side there is a "Save Record" section.
02:16 mtompset Choose "Dublin Core XML"
02:16 mtompset Click Go.
02:17 mtompset This may or may not exist in a version other than 3.6.x.
02:17 mtompset I then go look at the koha-opac-error_log
02:17 mtj what i would do ….
02:18 mtompset Never mind... It probably is a data error.
02:18 mtompset I did it for a different record, and it didnt' generate the error.
02:18 mtj load the db into a test koha
02:19 mtj then test on the latest stable (3.8.4)
02:19 mtj does the problem still exist?
02:19 mtompset Yes, I'll have to do that.
02:20 mtompset I think I have a VM with it... I was working with packages for this install too... It'll be good to give it a test run.
02:20 mtj fyi: i get the same error too :)
02:21 mtj Argument "\\x{20}" isn't numeric in numeric eq (==) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Crosswalk/ line 541.,
02:21 mtompset But it isn't on every record.
02:21 mtompset Are you running 3.8.x?
02:22 mtj pass, and no
02:23 mtj i'm testing on unstable/master
02:23 mtj so…. log a bug :)
02:24 mtompset Yes, I will, but it would be nicer to be able to figure out what triggers it, so it is easier to fix.
02:25 mtj hmm, related to this? ->[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6040
02:25 huginn Bug 6040: normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , can throw an untrapped error when trying to export an invalid record
02:26 mtj good news… the .xml file looks correct to me :)
02:26 mtj so , poss. just a warn - and no data lost?
02:26 mtj bbiab
02:27 mtompset Actually, the XML file... does your have a blank, but valid, date?
02:33 mtompset And why is the date three times?
02:40 mtompset And it is only the Dublin Core XML one that triggers the errors.
02:45 mtj no date on my record
02:45 mtj mine looks fine, ftw
02:46 bag garsh - it be evening time here on this coast
02:46 pastebot "mtj" at pasted "moof" (15 lines) at
02:46 mtj me looky all goody
02:47 bag heya mtj - sorry just being silly and talking like a pirate for the ginny dragon
02:47 mtj aayee, it be of no harm to me….. arrghh
02:48 bag garsh
02:48 mtj ooh arrrh...
02:48 mtj me hearties...
02:48 * mtj runs out of pirate phrases… :/
02:49 mtj arghh arhh…. rum?
02:49 bag arrrggghh me maties - there be treasure in those nappies
02:50 * mtj gotta stop this sillyness
02:50 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "Strange triplicate copyright date, but one is blank?!" (27 lines) at
02:51 mtj ?do you have three dates in your orig. record?
02:52 mtompset No.
02:52 mtompset That's the strange thing.
02:52 mtompset I'll check the DB directly.
02:55 mtompset Nope.
03:10 mtompset Could it be that 260$c is cYYYY.?
03:32 mtj pass, all i can say is test it on latest-stable
03:32 mtj coz my records are saving OK
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04:46 WaqarAzeem good everning!
04:48 WaqarAzeem (evening+morning)
04:50 mtj hi WaqarAzeem
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04:55 schnydszch i want to extract xmls in bibli record with mysql, i did it already so i can have an excel file in columns of the data i needed, however i want the subjects to be in column too but if i have many subjects on a biblio record, i don't know how to do it. could anyone please directr me how to do it. thank you
05:10 schnydszch is there a tool/software to convert from MARC to excel?
05:15 mtompset Sorry, I don't know, schnydszch.
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05:32 drojf good morning #koha
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05:40 mbalmer nice, thundbird now has irc support
05:41 drojf why would an email client need irc support?
05:43 mbalmer no idea, but it is becoming more and more a messaging central, it seems
05:44 drojf eierlegende wollmilchsau? ;)
05:45 mbalmer yes, looks like ...
06:05 mtompset Greetings, drojf.
06:05 drojf hey mtompset
06:05 wahanui well, mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months!
06:05 drojf how are the projects going? :)
06:05 mtompset Slowly. They won't all get finished. :(
06:07 drojf sorry to hear that
06:16 alex_a goog morning
06:18 drojf bonjour alex_a
06:23 alex_a bonjour drojf
06:24 mtompset Greetings, alex_a
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06:51 matts hi !
06:51 mtompset What values does koha expect for 942$2?
06:57 mtompset Greetings, matts
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07:02 reiveune hello
07:02 wahanui hi, reiveune
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07:09 mtompset Well, that was not fun.
07:09 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
07:09 drojf broken internet?
07:09 mtompset Yep.
07:09 drojf :(
07:09 * drojf hands mtompset the duct tape
07:10 mtompset Hey, can't expect perfect internet all the time when you aren't in a major urban center.
07:10 drojf you can't even expect that in a major urban center i'm afraid
07:11 mtompset Thanks, drojf. -- Well, that's true when you are in the Philippines.
07:11 mtompset (not expecting perfect internet anywhere)
07:11 drojf it's true in germany too ;)
07:12 mtompset I have not experienced poor connectivity in Canada.
07:12 mtompset All I had to do was unplug the phone line from the DSL modem, wait 10 seconds, and then plug it back in.
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07:13 mtompset Though, in Canada, I'm usually closer to major urban centers.
07:13 drojf i had a very bad dsl connection a few years ago. no internet over the weekend every second week
07:13 drojf german telekom. never again
07:19 mtompset every two weeks, or every second week of the month?
07:19 drojf one weekend on, one weekend off
07:19 drojf went like that for months
07:19 mtompset That's crazy. I'd be demanding a rebate/refund.
07:20 drojf i needed a port reset very often and they did not do it over the weekends
07:20 drojf yeah i did but they did not care at all
07:20 drojf they had a nice monopoly back then, so not much i could do
07:21 drojf at some point it stopped, i assume they changed some faulty hardware on their side. they never acknowledged it was their fault of course
07:22 mtompset never admit your mistakes to your customers! ;)
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08:04 kf magnuse or someone else - does oai pmh work in both directions with koha?
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08:25 drojf what a ride
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08:38 mtj amother stupid day for new zealand ->[…]nt-Bills-betrayal
08:40 drojf craig FOSS. the irony.
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09:25 eythian wah<tab>...damn
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09:26 eythian wahanui: welcome back
09:26 wahanui eythian: sorry...
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09:28 drojf hi eythian
09:28 eythian hiya
09:31 drojf eythian: how long is the workshop today?
09:31 eythian a bit shorter
09:31 eythian I think after lunch it is discussion time, so that'll depend how long people want to keep talking
09:33 drojf ok, depends on when their trains back home go probably
09:34 eythian yeah
09:35 * mtj waves to eythian
09:36 eythian hiya
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09:50 eythian what is the 'ben' language file? It doesn't seem to have much of any sort of info, and contains spam
09:50 rangi bengali probably
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09:50 eythian yeah, it is
09:51 rangi probably best to email the koha-translate list
09:51 Oak kia ora #koha
09:53 rangi hi Oak
09:54 eythian rangi: also mi-NZ won't work at all, it's missing a file
09:55 rangi hmm? it was there in 3.2
09:55 Oak hello rangi :)
09:55 Oak and Mr Robin
09:55 rangi needs to be updated tho
09:57 rangi eythian:[…]ses-first-reading
09:57 rangi some good news to balance out the stupid patent reversal
09:57 eythian rangi: saw that
10:02 eythian looks reasonably promising for a first reading
10:05 rangi yep
10:05 rangi 30-29 in national, which is quite amazing since only 4 voted for civil unions
10:08 eythian[…]-koha-mijn-indruk <-- rangi
10:08 rangi oh
10:09 rangi heh
10:11 eythian (that's not this workshop, just something I found just now)
10:12 rangi yep, from last year
10:12 rangi did you get a chance to catch up with any dutch koha users?
10:12 eythian Not yet, but I haven't spent a lot of time in .nl yet
10:13 rangi ah right
10:13 rangi hows today going? lots of discussion?
10:14 eythian yeah, but they've lapsed into German in order to let those who aren't so good in English talk. So I don't know what they're talking about.
10:14 rangi ahh
10:16 eythian[…]teem-ils2020.html <-- hmm, that's not a very good logo
10:16 rangi no, not at all
10:17 rangi you'll have to get in touch to fix that :)
10:18 eythian possibly should, yeah
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10:46 mib_cv04vf hi everyone
10:54 mib_cv04vf I have populated my new installed Koha, but the searching catalogue does not give any results
10:54 mtj http://www.muziekcentrumnederl[…]kel/artikel/4337/
10:54 mtj
10:55 mtj triple-fail
10:55 mtj searchfaq?
10:56 mtj search faq?
10:56 wahanui search faq is
10:56 mtj mib_cv04vf , there you go… ;)
10:59 mib_cv04vf is it the one
10:59 mib_cv04vf http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]an-td3054633.html
11:00 mtj mib_cv04vf , i suggest you install your koha, using the debian packages
11:01 mtj packages?
11:01 wahanui i guess packages is at
11:02 mtj … then you can be sure that your zebra searching is running correctly
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11:02 mib_cv04vf I have done that, I used that instructions
11:03 mib_cv04vf I followed exactly that installation
11:04 mtj is your zebra running?, have you rebuilt your zebra indexes?
11:04 mib_cv04vf how do I make sure it is running
11:07 mtj $ ps -ef|grep zebrasrv
11:08 mtj you have followed these instructions, here… ? ->
11:10 mib_cv04vf i got this out put
11:15 mtj $ ps -ef|grep zebrasrv| wc -l
11:15 mtj 1
11:15 mtj … means zebra is probably running
11:15 mtj :)
11:16 mib_cv04vf it gives 3
11:16 mtj … means 3 zebra is probably running :)
11:16 mib_cv04vf ok
11:16 mib_cv04vf running this # sudo /etc/init.d/zebraqueue-daemon start
11:16 mib_cv04vf give me. Invalid --user argument: 'koha.koha' (unknown user koha)
11:17 mib_cv04vf I am not sure I did set that user anywhere
11:17 mtj koha-stop-zebra ,  koha-start-zebra
11:17 mtj[…]#koha-start-zebra
11:18 mtj[…]e_Debian_packages
11:26 mib_cv04vf I did those still nothing
11:28 mtj stop your zebras(3) first
11:29 mtj then start just *one* zebra
11:29 mtj using  koha-start-zebra
11:29 mtj then rebuild your zebra indexes
11:30 mtj[…]oha-rebuild-zebra
11:31 mib_cv04vf I have only one zebra :(
11:32 mtj thats ok :)
11:32 mtj me tooo
11:32 mib_cv04vf so if just stop zebra will stop all procces
11:34 mib_cv04vf now it tells me 1, root@koyauniversity ~ # ps -ef|grep zebrasrv| wc -l 1 root@koyauniversity ~ #
11:36 mtj koha-stop-zebra
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11:36 mtj $ koha-stop-zebra  your_koha
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12:13 eythian mtj: sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
12:13 eythian that's what I usually recomend
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12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:31 tcohen hi #koh
12:31 tcohen a
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12:46 tcohen how do I escape strings in perl to output SQL queries to stdout?
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12:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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13:18 tcohen <checkedout> for checkouts, <overdue> for overdues, what do I use for renewals in slip definition?
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13:42 * paul_p pushing like a mad...
13:43 * oleonard cheers paul_p like a dad at birthing class
13:45 mtompset Hmmm... "pushing like mad" and "pushing like a mad man" interesting differences that generally convey the same thing semantically.
14:13 drojf go paul_p! i think i can see the head already! :D
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14:43 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
14:43 oleonard Hi jcamins
14:43 mtompset Greetings, jcamins.
14:45 chris_n heya jcamins
14:49 mtompset --help is 67 characters, -h is only 2. ;)
14:49 mtompset --help is 6 characters, -h is only 2. ;)
14:49 jcamins mtompset: both should be supported 'h|help'
14:49 * wizzyrea waves
14:49 * jcamins waves back.
14:49 tcohen good morning jcamins
14:50 mtompset Getopt::Long is good. :)
14:50 jcamins tcohen: did you figure out how to do what you wanted with your SQL queries?
14:51 tcohen yes, thanks, $dbh->quote() did the job
14:52 mtompset Handy function, that be. :)
14:53 mtompset Greetings, tcohen
14:53 tcohen hi mtompset
14:58 drojf is there a fancy way to change encoding for 150 text files in a folder from windows-whatever to utf-8?
14:59 jcamins iconv
15:00 drojf nice, thanks
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15:07 reiveune bye
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15:29 gmcharlt customer suggested an interesting use of the itemcallnumber syspref ... set it to 952o
15:29 jcamins Ummm...
15:29 jcamins Why would you do that?
15:29 jcamins Oh!
15:29 jcamins Interesting.
15:29 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
15:29 gmcharlt jcamins: exactly the same response I had
15:29 gmcharlt but very, very obvious in hindsight
15:30 jcamins It sure is. Possibly that ought to be the default rather than 090.
15:30 oleonard Hunh?
15:30 jwagner I thought the point of that field was to create call numbers from the MARC data?
15:30 gmcharlt oleonard: to clarify, it means that you want new items to take the call number of existing items
15:30 jcamins oleonard: if you set it to 952$o, it will default to the call number you assigned before.
15:31 gmcharlt jwagner: yeah, but the customer in question is more concerned with added copies, seemingly
15:32 gmcharlt jcamins: of course, doing that is a bit hackish, as it's certainly forseeable that at some point the bib and item editor will stop drawing in actual 952 fields
15:32 jcamins gmcharlt: true.
15:33 jwagner If there are multiple items, which one does it use? The first? My gut feeling is that it would be safer/cleaner to edit the MARC field to what they want (or use a local MARC field for that)
15:34 jcamins First, so far as I know.
15:34 gmcharlt although "first" is most likely "no particular order"
15:35 jcamins gmcharlt: right.
15:35 gmcharlt jwagner: yeah, I suspect at lot of catalogers would instinctively think to also add/update an 090
15:35 gmcharlt but not necessarily everybody
15:36 * jwagner is very conservative when it comes to cataloging data -- I save my free spirits for other areas
15:37 gmcharlt jwagner: live a little!  toss the AACR2 aside! ;)
15:37 jwagner I Are Not A Cataloger!  I Are Not Even A Librarian :-)
15:37 mbalmer IANAL...
15:37 jwagner But I've worked around a LOT of catalogers for whom the term "anal retentive" is not strong enough
15:38 jcamins jwagner: of course, but catalogers probably wouldn't be handling items.
15:38 * gmcharlt adds a note to bug 3426
15:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3426 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , change itemcallnumber system preference to allow multiple tags
15:39 jcamins (items as in item records, not items as in physical objects)
15:39 jwagner Depends on the library.  Bigger sites might farm that out to other staff, smaller sites might have one person doing everything
15:40 jcamins My experience with smaller libraries is that the one person they have is never a cataloger. ;)
15:43 * drojf is not a cataloguer and wonders why he has to do all these weird MARC things
15:43 drojf but i guess the stranger part is that i understand some of it
15:44 mtompset computer catalogue this book. ;)
15:44 jcamins drojf: scarier part.
15:44 drojf heh
15:44 * mtompset tries placing it on the scanner, but it doesn't work.
15:45 drojf mtompset: get a better computer
15:45 mtompset Some how I don't think the computer knows how to catalogue.
15:45 mtompset I guess MARC records it is. ;)
15:46 jwagner drojf, the first migration I ever worked with was from an old system into Sirsi Unicorn. I had to handle the data mapping, which meant a crash course from our cataloger. By the end I was dreaming in MARC record format :-(
15:46 mbalmer iso2709...  sweet dreams
15:47 mtompset iso2709?
15:47 jwagner I can think of better things to dream about....
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15:47 mtompset I guess wahanui doesn't know that.
15:47 drojf jwagner: i am migrating from selfbuilt, ugly heterogenous filemaker database. i learned marc, perl and a lot of other crazy library things in the process. but i'm happy to say MARC never appeared in my dreams
15:48 jwagner You aren't done yet! (ominous distant warnings....)
15:48 drojf i am done tomorrow at 10
15:48 mbalmer mtompset, marc records are ISO 2709 records.
15:48 drojf deadline is deadline. i hope
15:48 jwagner Hmmm..... See how your dreams are tonight :-)
15:49 drojf i think there was this guy called jcamins who said something like "perfect is the enemy of good". that be my motto from now on
15:50 drojf if it works "somehow" it's better than the old one. noone will ever know how much better it could have been
15:50 jwagner See earlier comment about obsessive catalogers :-)
15:50 drojf jwagner: the trick is to not sleep before hahaha
15:52 drojf that laughter sounded crazier in my head than it should have
15:52 jcamins lol
15:53 jwagner See? It's getting to you :-)
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15:58 * oleonard_ glares at oleonard
16:00 mtompset oleonard_ haven't you registered your nick?
16:01 oleonard_ Oh yeah there's a command for that eh?
16:01 * oleonard_ hasn't used it
16:01 * oleonard missed his chance
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16:06 jcamins melia: do you have a Comcast e-mail address? If so, has it been working for you?
16:07 melia jcamins: I don't think I have a comcast email… unless they give you one when you sign up for internet service or something. if I do have one, I've never used it.
16:07 jcamins melia: I think that's how most people handle Comcast e-mail addresses.
16:08 melia figures :)
16:08 jcamins There's someone on the list with a address that has been bouncing for a while, and I was wondering if you were getting any e-mail to a address, if you had one. :)
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16:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #803 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 1 mo 26 days ago)
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16:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8657 follow-up DBRev number <[…]945ea1baf2ebb1e9b> / Bug 8657 - Default sort by call number does not work <[…]63880ce981a651992> / Bug 8670 follow-up DBRev number <[…]efe06df0517288808
16:15 drojf is there something like a "staff note" field on the biblio level? the one i had in mind seems to be on item level
16:16 jcamins drojf: no.
16:17 jcamins drojf: at the moment we display all notes on both OPAC and staff client, always.
16:21 drojf after some more thought, i think item level is fine
16:22 drojf also i think i could use a break
16:22 jcamins Good plan.
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16:38 * drojf curses all the people that put bad data into the old db
16:39 wizzyrea lol.
16:39 wizzyrea which brings to mind "****ing users! How do they work?"
16:40 drojf lol
16:40 * oleonard was just having one of those moments
16:40 wizzyrea LOL <3
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16:55 drojf hey cait
16:55 drojf survived the workshop?
16:55 cait barely
16:55 cait but yeah :)
16:55 drojf heh
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16:56 drojf so will we see a of new kohas in germany soon thanks to your work?
16:56 drojf a lot of
16:56 cait I hope some
16:56 paul_p passed QA list down to 64 ... 23 pushed today...
16:56 drojf \o/
16:56 cait there are some problems that have been identified
16:56 cait but basically everyone seemed to like it
16:56 cait hi paul_p
16:56 drojf what kind of problems?
16:56 mbalmer was it a great workshop, cait?
16:56 drojf paul_p++
16:56 paul_p time to go back home. Tomorrow, I'll be in Paris (TGV run to fast for 3G connexion)
16:56 jcamins Searching.
16:56 wahanui somebody said searching was not working
16:56 cait mostly how to integrate into the information infrastructure
16:57 drojf lol jcamins
16:57 cait mbalmer: I hope it was - but better ask mveron :) it's always hard for me to tel
16:57 drojf cait: then they have the wrong infrastructure :D
16:57 mbalmer so it was a success, I am sure
17:00 cait mbalmer: mveron brought yummy cookies :)
17:00 mbalmer laeckerli?
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17:01 drojf that reminds me
17:01 jcamins Were they cooked in the dishwasher? :)
17:02 mbalmer hahaha ;)
17:02 * drojf makes a break for real and goes shopping, home and all that
17:02 drojf takes a break even
17:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8590 - checked out from missing on patron detail <[…]79589505950ebfd13> / Bug 8596 - Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates <[…]88912551d183f7738> / Bug 8621: Alternative template for cart email <
17:02 cait jcamins: I don#t think they were :)
17:04 jcamins cait: aww.
17:05 mbalmer I got an EPSON TM-L500A printer, that could be a quite nice label printer, the price tag is quite ok
17:05 jcamins @later tell mveron You don't make cookies in the dishwasher?
17:05 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
17:05 mbalmer (compared to the Intermecs we usually use)
17:06 mbalmer jcamins, no, mveron does not sit in his dishwasher when making cookies...
17:06 jcamins mbalmer: he doesn't sit in the dishwasher when making fish, either. :P
17:07 jcamins The fish goes in the dishwasher, mveron goes in the house. ;)
17:07 mbalmer actually, it's the fishwasher
17:07 jcamins Hehe.
17:09 rambutan[…]sher-Lasagna.aspx
17:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #803: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/803/
17:13 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8162: allow packages to work on Ubuntu Precise
17:13 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8636: Add missing dependencies
17:13 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8572: invalid auth shouldn't cause error
17:13 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8547 - JS error in star ratings breaks IE
17:13 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8513: OPAC detail page broken with XSLT
17:13 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8395: Fix sort order in (summary)
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8162 critical, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , packaging scripts create user incorrectly
17:13 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8329 - GetLostItems in has a SELECT * Provided a smaller list based on reports/
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8636 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Some dependencies are not listed by the installer
17:13 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8172 - Missing dereference marker for buildQuery parameter in Added a dereference to an array parameter of buildQuery.
17:13 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8172: Followup: Removes useless empty params
17:13 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8679 [REVISED] Remove usage of Amazon API
17:13 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8670 follow-up DBRev number
17:13 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8657 - Default sort by call number does not work
17:13 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8657 follow-up DBRev number
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8572 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Attempting to view an invalid authority in the OPAC gives an error instead of 404
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8547 major, P2, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Enabling star ratings causes javascript errors that cause IE to have a boo boo
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8513 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , OPAC detail page broken with XSLT
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8395 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , order receive not sorting right
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , GetLostItems in has a SELECT *
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8172 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Missing dereference marker for buildQuery parameter in
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove usage of Amazon API
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
17:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Default sort by call number does not work
17:14 cait h
17:14 cait oh
17:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #804 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 1 mo 26 days ago)
17:14 cait losts of things happenening while we weregone
17:14 mtompset wizzyrea: Doesn't user have a capital silent L? ;)
17:15 mtompset Greetings, cait.
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17:20 cait hi mtompset
17:23 mbalmer rain
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17:28 mtompset chocolate rain?
17:28 mtompset Sorry, I'm in a weird mood right now. It's late. The backup failed for at least one system.
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17:58 wizzyrea mtompset: hmmmm… i'm not really so keen to really go there ;)
17:58 mtompset I know... sometimes we are the users. :)
17:58 koyauni does any one know why the search function on my new installed Koha with 17000 records does not give any results when I search?
17:58 jcamins search faq?
17:58 wahanui somebody said search faq was
17:58 jcamins ^^ take a look there.
17:58 koyauni I have stop/run and rebuild zebra as well
17:59 koyauni I did and followed the solution it was presented
17:59 jcamins Okay.
17:59 jcamins What changed?
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17:59 jcamins I presume you had the records showing up at some point, to know that they are there?
18:02 koyauni when I upload, I got no error and I could see 17080 was added, I got the repost on screen as well
18:02 jcamins koyauni: how did you upload them?
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18:03 jcamins Using the stage MARC records tool?
18:04 koyauni I used the marc tools
18:05 jcamins I'm not sure what you mean by that.
18:05 koyauni how do the make sue the demon things is not running at stag 4 here
18:05 koyauni I used this "Stage MARC records for import"
18:05 jcamins You are using packages, so you don't have to worry about that.
18:05 jcamins Okay, good.
18:06 jcamins Did you then go to the "Manage staged records" tool (it's called something like that), and choose to import the records into your catalog?
18:07 koyauni let me check please
18:08 koyauni yes I see I did that and I did this again now, to replace
18:08 jcamins Okay.
18:09 jcamins Run `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v`
18:10 koyauni I ran that, but I can run that now again
18:10 jcamins I'm wondering what it says when you add the -v
18:10 jcamins koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v library
18:10 wizzyrea do -v -v if you want the full output :P
18:10 jcamins I forgot the "library" bit.
18:11 wizzyrea or is it not like that in the packages
18:11 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm wondering whether it's rebuilding anything at all.
18:11 jcamins It is.
18:11 jcamins That might be excessive output, though.
18:11 jcamins I just want it to report "reindexing biblios" or not report it, as the case may be.
18:12 koyauni I ran that no error  root@koyauniversity ~ # sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v root@koyauniversity ~ #
18:12 jcamins Then it didn't work.
18:12 koyauni it should take some time does not it
18:13 jcamins That should've taken about a half hour.
18:13 jcamins I forgot that you have to have "library" at the end of the command: sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v library
18:13 koyauni this is crazy! It is working now!
18:13 koyauni waw
18:13 koyauni thank you guys,
18:14 jcamins You're welcome.
18:14 koyauni do I have to run this every time I upload marcs sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v`
18:14 jcamins No.
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18:15 jcamins It will take some time, but all the records will be indexed automatically.
18:15 wizzyrea yea, perhaps you are being impatient
18:15 wizzyrea it's not instant
18:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #804: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/804/
18:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8655 - Re-order items on administration page to better match configuration priority
18:17 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8648: searchResults uses SQL query rather than GetMarcFromKohaField
18:17 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8640 - GetHardDueDate functions incorrectly
18:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8626: Fix encoding in cart emails for use of quoted-printable
18:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8621: Alternative template for cart email
18:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8596 - Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates
18:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8655 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Re-order items on administration page to better match configuration priority
18:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8590 - checked out from missing on patron detail
18:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8648 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , searchResults uses SQL query rather than GetMarcFromKohaField
18:17 koyauni many thanks, I will introduce this to University Library Staff on Tuesday and I wanted to make sure it working
18:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8640 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , GetHardDueDate functions incorrectly
18:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8626 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Encoding problem with = in cart emails
18:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8621 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Template for sending out carts not formatting correctly
18:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates
18:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8590 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , checked out from missing on patron detail
18:19 jcamins koyauni++ # for checking the FAQ first
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18:30 * jcamins heads to a different client.
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18:42 * mtompset heads to bed. Good morning, #koha.
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18:54 libsysguy anybody have a good example of how to properly run an update that is vairiable
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19:13 jcamins libsysguy: how do you mean?
19:15 libsysguy for example if I wanted to update a field called date and name, but wanted to leave description alone
19:15 libsysguy can I variable-ize that
19:15 libsysguy I know how to do it in DBIX::Class syntax
19:16 jcamins Uhhh...
19:16 libsysguy and my thought was to just build a string and then execute an array of available vars
19:16 jcamins Show me DBIx::C syntax?
19:16 libsysguy you just push what you want into a hash for the update and pass it via the update method
19:17 * libsysguy looks for an example on cpan
19:18 jcamins You mean "UPDATE table SET date=whatever, name=whatever"?
19:18 libsysguy[…]
19:18 libsysguy yeah that is how I would do it now
19:19 jcamins Okay, at least I know wth you're talking about now.
19:19 libsysguy so if I had more things to push on I could say update_str = "UPDATE table set "; update_str.= "date=whatever"; etc etc
19:19 jcamins Use a hash and do a join.
19:20 libsysguy ah
19:20 jcamins (if you're doing it a lot)
19:20 libsysguy so the key would be the field name in the db and the value would be what you want to set it to
19:20 jcamins Otherwise, I will fly out to Texas just to hunt you down and bludgeon you with Perldocs.
19:20 libsysguy no no not the perl docs
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19:27 jeff use Perldoc::Weaponized;
19:27 jeff use Perldoc::Weaponized qw(:bludgeon);
19:29 gaetan_B hey
19:29 gaetan_B i'm having a weird problem with circulation
19:30 gaetan_B when issuing a document for which the circulation rules determine a loan period longer than 7 days
19:30 gaetan_B the due date is properly calculated
19:30 gaetan_B but when returning the document
19:30 gaetan_B the patron is systematically debarred, until the calculated due date
19:30 gaetan_B has anyone seen this before ?
19:31 gaetan_B everything fine if the loan period is 7 days or less...
19:33 oleonard What version gaetan_B?
19:33 gaetan_B 3.8.2
19:33 gaetan_B i haven't tested on master yet
19:34 cait that sounds like a bug that was on bugzila
19:34 gaetan_B ahah, i should inveestigate then :)
19:34 oleonard Bug 8251?
19:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
19:36 gaetan_B sounds like a good candidate, even though it does work out for loan periods of 7 days or less.
19:36 gaetan_B thanks i'll look in this direction!
19:38 jcamins gaetan_B: probably no one tried it with a loan period of less than 7 days.
19:39 gaetan_B jcamins: yes, and my grace period just happens to be 7 days, which fits nicely with the bug description ;)
19:39 gaetan_B if ( ( $deltadays - $grace )->is_positive )
19:39 gaetan_B so it must be it, thanks :)
19:39 jcamins gaetan_B: very generous!
19:40 jcamins A grace period of 1 day is usual.
19:40 gaetan_B yep, confirmed by raising the grace period
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19:40 cait hm there s a patch for grace period calculation form kyle
19:40 cait maybe check that - I think that might be related to waht you see
19:40 gaetan_B hmm ok i'll look at this too...
19:40 cait bug 4906
19:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1
19:41 gaetan_B jcamins: i have seen a lot of libraries who allow patrons to be 7 days late without fining them
19:42 gaetan_B actually they usually set a 7 days grace period, and trigger the first email notice after 7 days
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19:42 jcamins gaetan_B: I think French libraries are kinder than US libraries.
19:42 gaetan_B oh yes we are just so nice :)
19:42 rangi Morning
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19:45 gaetan_B ok, i have to wake up at 5 tomorrow, good night and thanks again!
19:46 drojf good morning rangi
19:52 Oak night
19:53 rangi Gah still failing tests :(
19:54 jcamins Yep. :(
19:55 cait yeah, got the mails too
19:56 koyauni can you add cover image for a book to its record in Koha?
19:58 oleonard You can in 3.8.x koyauni
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20:02 drojf getting a little spammy there, tweetbot`?
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20:11 rangi sup NateC
20:11 kathryn joined #koha
20:11 NateC heya rangi
20:15 rangi NateC:
20:16 NateC seen it love it
20:16 wahanui I haven't seen 'it', NateC
20:16 rangi :)
20:22 rangi the best thing about youtube now is since i have the herp derp plugin i dont see any comments
20:24 drojf youtube without the comments?? but where's the fun in that? ;)
20:24 rangi oh there are comments
20:24 rangi they look like this
20:24 rangi derp herp herp herp derp derp herp derp
20:24 rangi c4nni4bis 4 months ago
20:24 rangi derp derp herp derp derp herp derp derp derp herp derp derp herp derp herp herp herp derp herp derp
20:24 drojf hahahaahaha
20:24 rangi v1rusvrs
20:24 rangi much improved
20:24 drojf cool
20:25 rangi
20:25 rangi hmm mtj you about?
20:25 rangi your bot is broken
20:26 rangi
20:26 drojf wow. thanks for the link. love it already
20:26 drojf the comments i mean
20:26 drojf i'm going to keep this :D
20:27 rangi :)
20:33 drojf remote host++
20:34 rangi ?
20:34 mtj meh, not sure why the tweetbot got stuck in a wormhole :/
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20:50 mtj i increased some $values on the tweetbot, hopefully that fixed it
20:51 rangi cool
21:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #145 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:13 rangi
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21:16 jcamins Ooh.
21:17 jcamins A) I am at the top
21:17 jcamins B) I like the description.
21:17 rangi :)
21:17 rangi what should we put for katrin?
21:17 cait how is that calculated? :)
21:18 rangi you get points for adding tests, points for builds not brekaing
21:18 rangi lose points for breaking builds
21:18 rangi lose points for tests failing
21:18 rangi (not the same one, or lots of ppl would be on negative now)
21:18 rangi but if the build results in a new fail you lose points
21:20 rangi hows that?
21:20 mtj rangi, whats the story behinde the 'I like nuts, want some almonds?' quote?
21:21 rangi lemme find it
21:21 mtj rangi, its good :)
21:21 mtj was it like that time you were in bandcamp?
21:22 rangi yep
21:22 rangi[…]11-07-22#i_718428
21:22 cait lol
21:23 mtj aawww , rangi offering his nutz to everyone, on teh plane
21:23 mtj soo thoughtful :)
21:24 rangi i had a big bag
21:24 rangi and MAF would make me throw them away
21:24 bag oh yeah
21:24 rangi had to eat them all before auckland
21:24 mtj aah, got it
21:24 rangi they were really good!
21:26 mtj you got big bag from bag, huh?
21:27 bag big bag from farmers market - some good nutz
21:27 rangi bug 8657
21:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Default sort by call number does not work
21:27 rangi i reckon thats ok for 3.8.x
21:27 jcamins +1
21:38 rangi cool
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22:01 rangi hmm bug 8640
22:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8640 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , GetHardDueDate functions incorrectly
22:02 cait night all
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22:14 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: [3.8.x] Bug 8636 missing dependencies
22:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8636 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Some dependencies are not listed by the installer
22:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #146 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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23:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8657 - Default sort by call number does not work
23:17 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
23:17 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8648: searchResults uses SQL query rather than GetMarcFromKohaField
23:17 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8640 - GetHardDueDate functions incorrectly
23:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Default sort by call number does not work
23:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8648 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , searchResults uses SQL query rather than GetMarcFromKohaField
23:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8640 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , GetHardDueDate functions incorrectly
23:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #147 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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23:26 loui Hello everyone.
23:26 rangi hi loui
23:27 loui Rangi, you use Koha in your library?
23:28 rangi yep in a couple
23:28 jcamins rangi is the original developer of Koha.
23:28 loui ouch...sorry
23:28 rangi heh it's ok
23:28 loui We are planning to test Koha in our Library.
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23:30 rangi cool
23:30 * rangi has to grab a cup of tea, brb
23:33 rangi back
23:33 loui :D rangi, sorry to bother you.
23:33 rangi what version of linux are you planning on installing it on?
23:34 loui my director wants koha but he like to add a module called Collection Analysis.
23:34 rangi i would recommend Debian Stable (Squeeze) and use the debian packages for Koha
23:34 loui our school website is
23:34 rangi hmm what would that module do?
23:34 rangi ahh lots of libraries in .ph using Koha
23:35 rangi but old old old versions
23:35 rangi dont do that :)
23:35 jcamins Well I'll be. I think I just duplicated that error that Pam reported. It's a bug in the cataloging code.
23:35 rangi oh cool you can duplicate it, then it's fixable!
23:35 loui A module that can tell which subject or course a book can be used to
23:36 jcamins rangi: yeah, I can't duplicate it in the bib editor, but I got it in authorities.
23:36 rangi oh, hmm i could think of a few ways to do that
23:36 rangi and sounds like a useful thing for schools
23:36 loui yeah so useful
23:37 loui students likes to search books by course or course subject
23:37 rangi you could just store that info in the MARC record
23:37 rangi would be the easiest way
23:37 loui where in a course belongs to a department and subject belongs to a course.
23:37 jcamins Of course, the problem turns out to be that Zebra wasn't running.
23:37 jcamins loui: there is a "course reserves" module that was developed that needs to be tested before it can be included in Koha.
23:37 jcamins You might be able to use that.
23:38 loui i hope it will be included soon
23:39 jcamins loui: because Koha is open source, the best way to get it in would be to do some testing yourself.
23:39 rangi there are actually 2
23:39 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8551
23:39 huginn Bug 8551: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, NEW , Course reserves
23:39 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215
23:39 huginn Bug 8215: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves
23:39 rangi they both need testing
23:39 loui I will try to test Koha first. thank you so much.
23:39 jcamins I think maximep still needed to do a follow-up patch for the first.
23:40 rangi could be
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23:44 loui Guys can we restrict a user to create/update/delete a certain material type in a certain library location?
23:44 jcamins Not by itemtype.
23:44 jcamins You can restrict by library, though.
23:45 loui In our library, different staff are assigned to different material types.
23:46 loui It is nice if this will also be added to Koha.:D
23:46 jcamins I've never heard of anyone wanting to do that.
23:46 jcamins (before now;)
23:47 jcamins I would think that it would be reasonable to trust staff members to only catalog the items they're given, though.
23:50 loui Sometimes staff commit mistakes or they intend to commit mistakes.:D
23:51 loui jcamins, you're a koha developer also?
23:51 jcamins loui: yes.
23:51 loui cool.
23:51 rangi have you looked over the manual loui ?
23:52 rangi its quite useful for an overview of what is in koha
23:52 rangi
23:52 loui I already installed koha to a linux server and tested it.
23:52 loui I also showed it to our director.
23:52 jcamins Excellent! What version did you install?
23:53 loui 3.6.8
23:53 jcamins That's a good version.
23:53 rangi a good choice
23:53 loui But he likes to add that module.
23:53 rangi you might also want to install 3.8.4
23:53 * jcamins is biased, since he is the one who released 3.6.8 a few days ago.
23:53 rangi on a test server too
23:53 jcamins True. 3.8.4 has more features.
23:54 loui Honestly we are using Follett CirCat.
23:54 rangi oh
23:54 loui We like to move to a Web based
23:54 rangi a rock is better than that :)
23:54 loui Follett Destiny is Expensive.:(
23:54 rangi there are a few different ways to get a feature you want into koha
23:55 jcamins Oh, lots of libraries have moved from Follett to Koha. All that I have spoken to have been exceedingly happy with the change.
23:55 rangi you can file a bug .. and hope someone decides to spend their free time working on it
23:55 rangi you can file a bug, and submit patches yourself
23:55 rangi you can file a bug, and pay someone else to write and submit the feature
23:55 loui Yeah. We are trying to find a developer then ask if how much if we ask for a certain additional module
23:55 rangi but it all starts with filing a bug at
23:56 rangi
23:56 rangi and marking it an enhancement
23:56 rangi its crucial to do that early, to avoid duplication, and so others can go
23:56 rangi "oh you can already do that, with such and such"
23:56 rangi or "Oh i would like to work on that"
23:56 rangi etc
23:56 jcamins ^^ very important
23:57 loui that is the beauty of open source.:D

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