IRC log for #koha, 2012-08-20

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06:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
06:20 * magnuse waves
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06:24 mveron Good morning #koha
06:25 mbalmer Good morning #koha
06:26 mveron Hi mbalmer :-)
06:27 magnuse hiya mveron and mbalmer - you are synchronized today? ;-)
06:27 mveron magnuse: Swiss precision...
06:27 mveron ...and good morning!  :-)
06:28 magnuse mveron: impressive! :-)
06:28 mveron :-)
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06:30 marcelr hi koha
06:31 mveron Daag marcelr :-)  Hoe is het ermee?
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06:32 alex_a bonjour #koha !
06:33 magnuse kia ora marcelr and alex_a
06:33 mveron Bonjour alex_a
06:33 magnuse europe waking up...
06:33 mveron work in the cool morning time...
06:34 mveron @wunder Basel
06:34 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.6°C (8:31 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
06:34 magnuse @wunder boo
06:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
06:35 * mveron Ponders to travel to Norway...  To hot here today...
06:35 marcelr goedemorgen mveron
06:36 mveron @wunder Amsterdam
06:36 huginn mveron: Error: No such location could be found.
06:36 marcelr :-)
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06:39 julian_m hello
06:40 marcelr hi julian_m
06:40 julian_m hi marcelr
06:41 mveron hi julian_m
06:41 julian_m hello mveron
06:45 mveron @wunder Marseiller
06:45 huginn mveron: Error: No such location could be found.
06:45 mveron @wunder Marseille
06:45 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 25.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
06:45 cait @wunder konstanz
06:45 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.6°C (8:40 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:45 cait I agree about it being too warm :( or it will be soon according to the weather report
06:47 mveron Hi cait, at least you have the lake of Konstanz  :-)
06:47 cait doesn't help much at work
06:48 cait :)
06:48 * mveron would like to have a waterproof notebook with big display or under water beamer...
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06:51 cait heh
06:51 asaurat hi
06:51 wahanui que tal, asaurat
06:51 cait speaking of work, I should go there
06:51 cait hi asaurat :)
06:51 cait brb
06:53 mveron Hi asaurat and wahanui  :-)
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06:59 reiveune hello
07:05 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:05 reiveune hi magnuse :)
07:08 mbalmer allo marseille!
07:14 magnuse rangi around? when should translations be done to make it into 3.8.4?
07:15 magnuse or maybe i should ask fredericd that...
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07:16 sophie_m1 hello #koha
07:27 rangi magnuse: in the next day or 2
07:27 rangi[…]XsI8&feature=plcp
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07:40 magnuse rangi: yeah, that's what i thought
07:40 magnuse wb kf
07:40 * kf waves
07:40 kf good morning #koha
07:40 rangi hi kf
07:40 kf good morning rangi, magnuse
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07:59 marcelr hi kf
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08:21 gaetan_B hello :)
08:23 kf hi marcelr :)
08:25 marcelr :)
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08:39 Waylon Hello all!
08:39 kf hi Waylon
08:40 Waylon okay, i want to install 3.8.3 and upgrade a database from 3.0.0 ... what do i use/do?
08:57 kf install
08:57 kf and load the databasedump
08:57 kf run the script fromt he release notes... run the database update
08:57 kf recreate any translations you might have had
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09:28 saa i am trying to configure koha 3.8.3 on livecd but cpan perl modules are not getting configureed especially Readonly::XS on ubuntu 10.4 LTS. it gives compilation error of DateTime. Is there any way out to solve this problem
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09:43 * eythian is watching Larry Wall demonstrate Perl 6. I propose jcamins_away converts Koha to it.
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10:18 * magnuse envies eythian a little
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10:42 kf back :)
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12:10 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
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12:11 kf hi #kohq
12:11 marcelr hi jcamins
12:12 kf hi jcamins
12:15 magnuse kia ora jcamins
12:15 magnuse jcamins: eythian wants you to rewrite koha in perl6 ;-)
12:16 kf oh, was he here?
12:17 magnuse yeah, he dropped by briefly
12:18 magnuse probably unreliable wifi
12:18 jcamins I saw that.
12:34 magnuse jcamins: you up for it? ;-)
12:36 druthb he'll have it done before lunch, magnuse.  He's just like that.
12:37 magnuse yay! ;-)
12:39 jcamins lol
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12:48 magnuse well, i actually i don't know enough about perl6 to know if it would be a good idea or not...
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13:19 * wizzyrea waves
13:19 oleonard Hi #koha
13:19 wizzyrea hi oleonard
13:21 druthb hi, oleonard and wizzyrea! :D
13:21 * druthb waves with both hands.
13:21 wizzyrea heya1
13:21 wizzyrea !
13:22 libsysguy hey oleonard and wizzyrea I have a question about overdrive
13:23 wizzyrea i may not know the answer to that, we gave up overdrive a year or so ago
13:23 libsysguy ah
13:23 wizzyrea oleonard might though
13:23 libsysguy well I was wondering how returns work for kindles
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13:24 libsysguy I had a friend tell me if you turned the wifi off before the return date you could keep the book as long as you want
13:24 libsysguy but I wasn't sure if the system returned the item for circ or not
13:26 wizzyrea my thought is that it doesn't matter if the DRM works on the end user device
13:26 wizzyrea overdrive is going to expire that book
13:26 wizzyrea but I don't know that for certain
13:27 wizzyrea and what I mean is - even if the book getting "checked in" on the kindle doesn't work, I suspect that overdrive still makes it available to other patrons
13:27 wizzyrea on the date due
13:27 libsysguy that is what I thought too
13:27 libsysguy but I wasn't sure how the DRM worked
13:28 wizzyrea well I'm not sure either, and I don't have overdrive anymore
13:30 oleonard Sorry, afk
13:31 oleonard libsysguy: What do you mean by "for circ" ?
13:31 libsysguy well to release to other patrons
13:31 oleonard Oh right.
13:32 oleonard I'm not sure, because I don't see the circulation end of things much
13:33 libsysguy ahh ok
13:33 oleonard Sounds like an experiment is required
13:33 libsysguy it just seemed like a huge loophole for me
13:33 libsysguy indeed
13:34 * libsysguy goes to apply for a job at houston public library :p
13:36 kf ?
13:36 eythian It's kinda cute seeing people using "books" as an example simple data model.
13:36 kf hehe
13:36 kf the dbx class presentation?
13:36 eythian yeah
13:36 kf I stalked you this morning and looked at your schedule - there were slides from last year :)
13:36 eythian heh
13:36 kf how is frankfurt?
13:37 kf it's entirely too warm at bsz today
13:37 eythian stinking hot, otherwise nice
13:37 kf @wunder Konstanz
13:37 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.3°C (3:30 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
13:37 eythian @wunder frankfurt
13:37 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Frankfurt, Germany is 33.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:37 kf eythian: everybody is asking about you - they probabyl think I pushed you into the lake or something over the weekend
13:37 eythian haha
13:37 eythian tell them it's OK, I'll be back on Thursday :)
13:38 kf I did... only not sure they believe me :)
13:39 eythian DBIx::Class looks pretty good, I have to say
13:40 druthb eythian:  if a strange man in a kilt comes up and greets you, acting like he's known you forever....that's mst.  I told him to look for you.
13:41 eythian heh OK
13:41 druthb mst is one of my favorite Perl folks--and he's the honcho for the DBIx::Class project.  Nice guy, very quirky and excitable.
13:41 magnuse @wunder boo
13:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
13:41 magnuse there you go
13:42 druthb @wunder 66046
13:42 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 15.6°C (8:39 AM CDT on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
13:42 druthb !
13:42 magnuse yay
13:42 eythian druthb: cool, i'll keep my eyes open
13:43 * magnuse has met DBIx::Class briefly in the context of Catalyst, and it does seem interesting!
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13:43 eythian it'd be nice to get rid of the SQL
13:43 eythian time to change rooms
13:43 druthb He'll probably be on a crutch or cane; he recently had a fairly major hip surgery--fell on a canal tow-path, and *broke it*.   So you're probably safe from being hugged and yanked off your feet, which is what he did the first time he met me.
13:44 gmcharlt @quote random
13:44 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010)
13:44 gmcharlt enlightened_self_interest++
13:44 asaurat1 haha, mst is awesome :D
13:45 asaurat some of us met him in Strasbourg for a Perl convention, very interesting man!
13:46 druthb That he is, asaurat.  Surprisingly strong, for such a small, wiry man.  I'm taller than he is, and weigh...uhm...somewhat over 110kg, but he jerked me off my feet like I was a child.  Incredibly sweet guy.
13:46 asaurat hehe
13:47 druthb I've come to discover that a *lot* of his apparently-random wild-man behavior is calculated; he's a deep, deep thinker, and that makes him very disarming.
13:48 asaurat really ? he looks so spontaneous
13:48 druthb mhm.  quite a lot of that is planned.
13:49 asaurat scary :D
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13:50 druthb it could be; that's quite a weapon.  But you won't meet a nicer guy.  He's quite enthused to hear about the Koha community.
13:50 asaurat indeed, he was very interested in our workflow
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13:51 * druthb gets out the duct tape.
13:51 asaurat and so, someone here is meeting him soon ?
13:51 druthb hopefully, eythian.  :)
13:51 asaurat nice :)
13:52 druthb I met him at YAPC::NA in June, and we had a wonderful time.  Talk nearly-daily since then.
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13:58 * kf pokes eythian
14:00 * druthb pokes kf
14:00 * druthb pokes magnuse and jcamins, too
14:01 * magnuse says "ouch" and wanders off in search of dinner
14:01 kf druthb: now you scared him away!
14:02 * druthb pouts
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14:05 kf I only wanted to check if he is alive
14:05 * druthb pokes kf again.
14:05 druthb :P
14:05 kf I was just talking to you!
14:05 * druthb is the pokey little puppy today.
14:06 * druthb pokes edveal.
14:06 edveal Yep...
14:07 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:07 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 33.0°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
14:07 * druthb fans kf.
14:08 kf now it's the same as in frankfurt
14:08 kf @wunder frankfurt
14:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Frankfurt / M-Flughafen, Germany is 32.0°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
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14:08 oleonard What was the pokey little puppy's comeuppance? No dessert, something like that?
14:08 kf no dessert and going to bed early...
14:09 kf maybe fixing a koha bug or two
14:09 druthb Something like that.  Since I rarely eat dessert anyway, that dun skeer me.  Also, I've been going to bed early the last couple of nights.
14:10 * druthb pokes oleonard
14:10 druthb :P
14:10 druthb is kinda silly-happy today.
14:10 kf oleonard has kids... he will know what to do
14:11 * oleonard warns druthb that if any more poking happens she will be sent to the time-out chair
14:12 druthb :P
14:12 oleonard Yeah that's what my kids say too
14:12 druthb sending me there, and making sure I arrive there, are two different problems.  And I'm bigger than you are.
14:13 oleonard That's what my son is going to be saying before I know it
14:13 druthb mhm.
14:14 kf oleonard: would ignring her help or is that to cause some damage we don't want?
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14:15 * kf pokes eythian
14:15 druthb it might make her go away again, kf.
14:15 kf hmmm...
14:15 oleonard Hm, well what we seem to have is a failure to model the correct behavior kf ;)
14:15 eythian druthb: so I just bumped into mst
14:16 kf oleonard: oups
14:16 druthb :)  yay!
14:16 kf eythiandid he lift you?
14:16 eythian no...?
14:16 druthb Interesting character, isn't he?
14:17 eythian yeah, also need to ask him about some dbix stuff later
14:17 oleonard Are local cover images supposed to be working in the staff client search results?
14:17 * oleonard doesn't see any
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14:18 jcamins oleonard: no.
14:18 kf computervisualistik und design
14:18 kf hm.
14:18 eythian
14:18 kf nope
14:18 kf only wondering about a weird german word :)
14:19 gmcharlt kf: is there any other kind? ;)
14:19 eythian that'll keep you busy for a long time
14:19 kf not sure really
14:19 * druthb pokes gmcharlt
14:19 * gmcharlt pokes druthb right back
14:20 oleonard gmcharlt poked a girl? Scandalous!
14:20 * druthb pounces on gmcharlt.
14:22 eythian at this conf they're providing a large amount of free bottled water (and "apfel schorle") which is good.
14:22 kf :)
14:22 eythian although this country's obsession with sparking water is bizarre, it tastes terrible
14:23 asaurat :D
14:23 * druthb loves sparkling water!
14:24 eythian sorry for your loss of tastebuds :)
14:24 asaurat apfelschorle, warum nicht... aber weinschorle ?????
14:24 eythian not convinced those are words
14:26 asaurat Supercalifragilisticexpialidociouschorle
14:26 kf lol
14:26 * druthb suggests that eythian might find useful.
14:26 kf beershorle =  water with beer... hm.
14:26 * druthb finds it handy when talking to kf, occasionally.
14:26 kf which makes it sounds like my english is really bad... :P
14:27 kf eythian: fwiw - I don't like sparkling water
14:27 druthb nope.  My German is really, really bad.
14:27 asaurat beershorle ?? i hope noone did ever try this blasphemy, it would be even worse than weinschorle :p
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14:27 kf asaurat: it's called radler sauer...
14:27 * asaurat dies in a painful agony
14:27 kf eythian: could you stop this jumping around?
14:28 kf we already have poking ruth...
14:28 * druthb pokes kf
14:28 kf see
14:28 eythian_ I think the wifi is a bit overloaded here
14:28 * kf hands druthb icecream so she is occupied for a while
14:28 druthb nom nom nom
14:28 kf eythian_: but free drinks - you got lucky :)
14:29 eythian_ also free ice blocks
14:29 asaurat free drinks ? where ??
14:29 eythian asaurat: Frankfurt :)
14:30 * eythian is at YAPC::EU
14:30 asaurat ah, oh, yes, nice
14:30 * druthb is peeking in on the proceedings on
14:34 * eythian should prepare a lightening talk for one of the sessions maybe
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14:35 eythian falling offline again probably
14:35 druthb dooo eeeet, eythian.
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14:37 * druthb did a lightning talk about Koha at ::NA, and it was well received.
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14:38 * druthb needs moar duct tape
14:39 eythian I think this network doesn't hand over between access points
14:39 * kf plunders the fridge in the kitchen and steals some more icecream there
14:40 eythian @wunder frankfurt
14:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Frankfurt, Germany is 32.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
14:40 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:41 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.6°C (4:35 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
14:41 asaurat @wunder Saint-Chely-d'Apcher
14:41 huginn asaurat: Error: No such location could be found.
14:41 asaurat ok, my new town is too hidden ;)
14:41 eythian it's more than 32 in the lecture theatres.
14:41 asaurat @wunder Mende
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14:42 huginn asaurat: Error: No such location could be found.
14:42 kf hotter here too - was saying 33 earlier
14:49 oleonard Okay, so default sorting by call number really is broken.
14:52 kf search faq?
14:52 wahanui search faq is probably
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14:56 kf hm
14:56 kf what happend to our cronjob examples file?
14:56 kf or am I only too overheated to find it?
14:57 oleonard misc/crojobs/crontab.example
14:57 kf thank you - it's the heat :(
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15:02 tcohen hi #koha
15:06 reiveune bye
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15:15 oleonard Bug 8657
15:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Default sort by call number does not work
15:18 tcohen anyone related to koha-translate here?
15:18 tcohen found a problem with the .po
15:19 tcohen (parsing problem I guess)
15:19 kf tcohen: not sure I can help
15:19 kf but I can try
15:19 tcohen http://translate.koha-communit[…]html?unit=3553504
15:20 tcohen intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modul​es/help/tools/
15:20 kf hm, that doesn't look right
15:20 tcohen looks like the line was not parsed ok
15:20 kf but it'smarked fuzzy
15:20 kf hm I think it's probably right
15:20 tcohen if you look at that file
15:20 kf sometimes the programmakes werid suggestions, but it's marked fuzzy
15:21 kf do you have a link to the file?
15:22 tcohen mm, no
15:22 tcohen i just used my cloned git repo
15:23 tcohen the thing is that the spanish translated line looks ok if you compare to the line in the file
15:23 kf tcohen: the line will not get translated currently
15:23 kf sometimes the parser doesn't get links right
15:23 kf there are probably more strings for that line
15:23 kf and I think enhancedmessagespreferenc is linked?
15:23 tcohen the line says:
15:23 tcohen <li>The <span class="link">EnhancedMessagingPreferences</span> is set to 'Allow'</li>
15:24 tcohen the spanish translation for that line is ok
15:24 kf I think it's ok too for other langauges
15:24 kf sarch pootle for is set to 'Allow'
15:25 tcohen you mean it is stripped into several parts for translating them in parts instead of alltogether?
15:25 kf http://translate.koha-communit[…]html?unit=3553501
15:25 kf yep exactly
15:25 kf that's why the translation is currently wrong
15:25 kf I amnot saying that this is ideal or shoudl happen... but it can happen
15:26 tcohen I understand it kf, thanks
15:26 kf I think getting the parser correct to catch every possible variabtion correctly is hard :(
15:26 kf hm and ignore all my typos, it's entirely too warm here
15:26 tcohen i hope you ignore mine :-d
15:28 kf I think maybe someting changed in the template - like the pref getting linked
15:28 kf so thatwould explain the difference between old and new translation
15:29 kf I am melting - bbl :)
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15:31 tcohen kf, you're right
15:31 tcohen i'm having trouble finding that 'The ' string
15:31 tcohen :-(
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15:41 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.3 and 3.6.7 Now Available | Koha Community Website - | General IRC meeting, 5 September 2012 at 18:00 UTC+0
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16:27 jcamins lol
16:27 * wizzyrea giggles
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16:33 libsysguy every time I see the tweetbot I read it as Koha Ails
16:34 oleonard Not Ko-Hails?
16:38 libsysguy no not that one
16:38 libsysguy but now I might
16:38 libsysguy thanks for that oleonard
16:42 oleonard :)
16:51 oleonard Should we not block deletion of subfields marked mandatory in batch item modification?
16:53 jcamins oleonard: we should.
16:54 oleonard Although batch item modification doesn't let you pick what framework you're using.. That's a potential friction point
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16:56 mbalmer hi #kohaistas
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17:10 jcamins oleonard: is there an easy way to replace text with jQuery?
17:11 oleonard Depends what you're doing
17:11 oleonard There's text():
17:11 jcamins oleonard: the part I'm having trouble with is replace()
17:12 jcamins I thought you used something like $('element').html($('elemen​t').html().replace(/text/, 'whatever'));
17:12 jcamins I'm getting told that .html() doesn't have a replace method.
17:13 jcamins Got it.
17:13 jcamins Wrong number of parentheses.
17:13 jcamins Never mind.
17:13 jcamins False alarm.
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18:06 mib_21en8s anybody online
18:06 oleonard Yes, do you have a question mib_21en8s ?
18:07 mib_21en8s how to embed google page cover preview in koha
18:07 oleonard mib_21en8s: Do you mean book cover images from Google Books?
18:07 mib_21en8s yes
18:08 oleonard Turn on the "GoogleJackets" system preference.
18:09 oleonard does that make sense mib_21en8s ?
18:10 mib_21en8s please specify where in preference
18:11 oleonard Administration -> System Preferences -> Enhanced Content
18:13 mib_21en8s i m grateful for ur help.. thanx
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18:26 cait oleonard++
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19:31 rangi Morning
19:32 cait morning rangi
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19:36 hankbank I am not worthy
19:37 oleonard It is not necessary to prostrate yourself upon entry
19:37 hankbank :)
19:38 wizzyrea lol
19:39 hankbank It was either that or post a quote from shakespeare
19:40 jcamins hankbank: which quote?
19:40 hankbank “O wonder!How many goodly creatures are there here!How beauteous mankind is! O brave new worldThat has such people in't!” The Tempest Act 5, scene 1, 181–184
19:41 * oleonard would have accepted that
19:41 rangi You should reply to my Tolkien quote with that
19:41 jcamins That's a good quote.
19:41 hankbank verily! forsooth...this is how I feel about this our shared endeavour
19:44 libsysguy anybody have protips for storing an array of strings in the database?
19:45 libsysguy should I just store them with a delimiter or perhaps use the ENUM function?
19:45 rangi I hate both ideas
19:45 libsysguy me too :-/
19:45 jcamins What about normalizing the structure?
19:46 rangi I'd use Perl to serialise them
19:46 rangi And store that
19:46 jcamins Or you could do that.
19:46 jcamins But I'd want to be very sure that you really wanted to store an array and weren't trying to cheat and store multiple values in one field by storing an array.
19:47 libsysguy yeah that's probably what I should do, but my inner database junky wants to normalize the datastructure
19:47 rangi Yep
19:47 libsysguy well its for the calendar, after I found out the parse function was crap
19:47 jcamins My inner "I don't want to debug your mess" voice wants to normalize the data structure as well. :P
19:47 libsysguy and I need to store a list of days
19:48 libsysguy then parse it to build a set of closed days
19:48 libsysguy since the format function croaks with spans of dates
19:48 rangi A serialized object makes sense to me
19:49 rangi You end up with a nightmare of joins in that case if you store each date as a row
19:49 libsysguy yeah I suppose it does.  I don't know of an effective way to normalize weekdays
19:50 libsysguy this will introduce a new dep I think
19:50 libsysguy Storable*
19:51 rangi It's core I think
19:51 libsysguy ahh
19:51 libsysguy well that would be nice
19:51 rangi And the session uses it already
19:51 libsysguy ah ok
19:51 jcamins Hm, that's true about the joins.
19:51 libsysguy in that case, onward and upward
19:52 libsysguy yeah joins in an already stressed db could spell disaster
19:52 rangi Brb
19:52 libsysguy ballocs this is going to take some time to re-arrange
19:55 libsysguy ok second thought
19:55 libsysguy what if instead of serializing the data I just enter a column for each weekday
19:55 libsysguy err day of the week
19:56 cait sounds not too bad to me :)
19:56 cait but I am not the data structure expert here
19:56 libsysguy or I could take it a step further and create a week_days_closed table, that would only be one join
19:57 libsysguy it would keep the data normal but would cost you a table
19:57 cait I dunno
19:57 cait :)
19:57 libsysguy hehe
19:57 * druthb loves watching the hapless youth flailing.
19:57 cait it was way too hot here today, I am still recovering from cooked brain
19:57 cait huh?
19:58 libsysguy druthb thats not funny :'(
19:58 libsysguy hehe
19:58 * jcamins chuckles.
19:58 libsysguy I just want to make the best decision so that somebody doesn't say about me what I am saying about the person who wrote the calendar now
19:58 druthb aww...
19:59 rangi back
19:59 libsysguy rangi ^^
20:00 * oleonard regrets that some of the good ideas in Bug 5872 were abandoned
20:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details)
20:00 cait wb rangi
20:00 cait oleonard: it was just untestable :(
20:00 rangi what if your library is closed different days on different weeks
20:00 cait rangi: now you getmean :)
20:00 jcamins rangi: I thought that's what this feature was for?
20:00 oleonard cait: Yeah, and it should have been simple to split it up if there had been the will to do so
20:01 libsysguy you would have a separate event or an exception
20:01 libsysguy either way you have to take the intersection of the 2 sets
20:02 rangi in that case a table is better
20:02 libsysguy i think it would be better for searching too
20:02 rangi as long as it stores times too
20:02 libsysguy it could increase the efficiency of searching from the database
20:03 libsysguy I want to see events for closures on mo/we/fr
20:03 libsysguy reports++
20:03 libsysguy not that anybody cares that much about closed days
20:05 * druthb gets out her slingshot, puts a red Skittle in it, and takes aim at libsysguy
20:06 cait libsysguy: she is being silly today
20:06 cait libsysguy: be glad yougot spared the poking phase
20:06 libsysguy its coming cait
20:07 * libsysguy catching skittle in mid air with teeth
20:07 libsysguy catches*
20:07 cait heh
20:07 * druthb pokes libsysguy
20:08 * druthb pokes cait, to thank her for the reminder
20:08 libsysguy cait run
20:08 libsysguy druthb is on the loose
20:08 cait heh
20:08 * wizzyrea readies the crate of trouts she keeps under her desk for just such occasions
20:08 druthb The only thing that'd be scarier is if I had an op-star.
20:09 libsysguy we'd all be kicked
20:09 druthb if by "we" you mean, yourself, and the mouse in your pocket, then yes, libsysguy.
20:09 wizzyrea he has a mouse in his pocket?
20:10 druthb he's saying "we", but he's the only one who'd get kicked, by me anyway, so he must.
20:10 cait oh
20:10 libsysguy hehe
20:10 cait why would you kick him?
20:10 libsysguy because I'm a bad apple
20:10 druthb Exercise.
20:10 libsysguy just like jcamins
20:11 jcamins Hey, exercise is important!
20:11 druthb see?
20:12 druthb wahanui: libsysguy
20:12 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
20:12 druthb lulz
20:12 cait what hottest and youngest?
20:12 druthb wahanui: wizzyrea?
20:12 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA
20:12 cait not fair
20:12 libsysguy yup I get the youngest title now too, since pianohacker is gone
20:12 rangi naw
20:13 rangi i have the academy kids
20:13 druthb cait: have you seen pictures of libsysguy?
20:13 rangi they beat you by ages
20:13 wizzyrea and chris hall
20:13 libsysguy damn it rangi
20:13 libsysguy ruine all my fun
20:13 rangi yep and cjh
20:13 oleonard rangi is Koha's Doctor Xavier
20:13 cait lol
20:13 * wizzyrea likes this analogy
20:13 cait but without a wheelchair I hope?
20:13 druthb oooo...
20:13 libsysguy rangi you're bald?
20:14 * druthb wonders what role she will get.
20:14 * wizzyrea snorts water
20:14 libsysguy oh oh can we all have xmen names
20:14 rangi if you guys keep breakng everything i soon will be
20:14 libsysguy I want wolverine
20:14 cait wizzyrea: no drink and reading koha chat!
20:14 cait when will you learn? :)
20:14 wizzyrea hehe
20:14 druthb you're not hairy enough for that libsysguy.
20:14 druthb bag is.
20:14 libsysguy :'(
20:14 cait what about me?
20:14 * wizzyrea dies
20:14 oleonard There aren't enough nerdy, sedentary X-men to go around
20:15 * wizzyrea looks up who all is in the xmen
20:15 libsysguy fine, dibs on colossus
20:15 libsysguy
20:15 druthb Clearly thought up by some sexist *man*.  X-Men, indeed....what about X-Women, too?
20:15 libsysguy well there is storm, gene...
20:16 wizzyrea if I were more psychokinetic I'd be jean grey
20:16 wizzyrea though Lilandra, Majestrix of the Shi'ar Empire has a nice ring to it
20:17 * druthb would love Shadowcat's powers.  Tha'd be cool.
20:17 druthb Majestrix?  Definitely fits you, wizzyrea
20:17 libsysguy and now my day is gone
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20:17 oleonard Okay, so KohaCon13 is a combination Koha/X-Men cosplay conference?
20:17 druthb +1
20:18 wizzyrea umm, scratch majestrix - I would not look good in that outfig.
20:18 wizzyrea outfit*
20:18 libsysguy sees a spandex shortage in the future
20:18 druthb hush, you.
20:18 rangi speaking of kohacon13
20:18 wizzyrea O.o
20:18 rangi i cant make the meeting, i deputise you all to make sure it doesnt go off the rails in some mental fashion
20:18 rangi and we end up with booths or something
20:18 wizzyrea booths?
20:18 rangi (its on at 3am nz time)
20:18 wizzyrea you mean like an expo
20:19 wizzyrea or something
20:19 rangi wizzyrea: i dunno thats the worst thing i could think of
20:19 druthb wizzy, you'd look...erm...majestic in that, but it looks hot and uncomfortable.
20:19 wizzyrea iunno.
20:19 wizzyrea oh druthb
20:19 wizzyrea there's a "pixie"
20:19 druthb !
20:19 wizzyrea
20:19 druthb Ah'm there!
20:20 wizzyrea here we go - an urbane mutant telepath with a well-noted dry wit
20:20 druthb Love the outfit, too.
20:20 libsysguy[…]tand+col&gs_l=img.​.0.0...1c.LZAvmuQQMXU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.​r_cp.r_qf.&fp=1778fb004874edcf&biw=1412&bih=1008
20:20 druthb ahem!
20:20 wizzyrea yea, I can see that.
20:21 * druthb points the youth at various url shorteners
20:21 oleonard gesundheit, libsysguy
20:21 libsysguy I blame google search
20:21 libsysguy why do they need so many variables
20:22 oleonard Oh, there's a mutant "with the ability to easily understand any language, whether verbal or written." I wonder if that extends to programming languages?
20:23 wizzyrea let's just say it does
20:24 druthb wizzyrea says it is so.
20:24 rangi 64 bugs in need sign off, i bet we can get that below 50 by the end of the week if each person does 2
20:24 druthb So let it be written; so let it be done.
20:24 cait heh
20:24 cait I will try to continue on th z39.50 thing before going to sleep
20:24 cait it would help if someone sends me chocolate cookies...
20:24 oleonard Sorry rangi we're pretty swamped with this whole X-men thing
20:24 rangi hehe
20:25 druthb  <--awesome cosplay of Pixie.  I'm there.
20:26 druthb how I'm gonna get that dagger on a plane,
20:27 cait suitcase
20:27 rangi libsysguy: bug 8656
20:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8656 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Koha::Calendar not loading both sets of special dates
20:28 cait uhoh
20:28 cait rangi is handing out bugs :)
20:28 wizzyrea oleonard - an example of the jquery-ui tabs?
20:28 wizzyrea or anywhere there are tabs
20:29 libsysguy wizzyrea top search
20:29 libsysguy in 3.8
20:29 wizzyrea k ty
20:29 rangi wizzyrea: bug 8657
20:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Default sort by call number does not work
20:29 rangi hehe
20:29 * wizzyrea is currently working on bug 8644
20:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8644 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , jQueryUI CSS file should not contain customizations
20:29 rangi ohh cool
20:29 wizzyrea ;)
20:29 wizzyrea but I"ll do that one next
20:30 rangi who has IE ?
20:30 * libsysguy has a mac
20:31 oleonard I have IE 9
20:31 rangi you get bug 8659
20:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8659 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Inactive funds in neworderempty not disabled in IE/Opera
20:31 libsysguy man he had that one ready
20:31 cait :)
20:31 libsysguy gun slinger rangi
20:31 rangi and now ive caught up on the bug mail
20:31 rangi the rest of you are safe
20:32 rangi you may now return to your comic book discussions
20:32 rangi hehe
20:32 libsysguy I can't I'm too depressed now looking back at the old calendar code
20:32 libsysguy the new stuff looks so much better
20:32 libsysguy lol
20:33 cait oh
20:33 libsysguy its got that new code smell too
20:33 cait marcelr failed my bug
20:33 cait rangi: you can hand me a new one
20:33 cait oh wow
20:33 cait that was loud thunder
20:33 cait must have been very close
20:34 cait @wunder konstanz
20:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.8°C (10:30 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
20:34 rangi cait: hard one or easy one?
20:34 cait is there something in between?
20:35 rangi bug 8378
20:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
20:36 rangi or bug 8637
20:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8637 critical, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , Lack of control on mandatory in
20:36 wizzyrea oleonard: on 8657, I can't seem to get the db update to go
20:36 druthb @wunder 66046
20:36 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 31.1°C (3:33 PM CDT on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
20:36 rangi i already signed off on that but it failed qa because of css stuff
20:36 * druthb melts a lil
20:36 wizzyrea dewd, it is not that hot here
20:37 oleonard wizzyrea: :( Do you get an error?
20:37 wizzyrea no, it just doesn't do it?
20:37 druthb It's quite a bit hotter than that, in my office, wizzyrea...seems to be a focussing point for the sun's rays in here somehow.
20:37 wizzyrea hmm
20:37 * wizzyrea blames haarp
20:37 oleonard wizzyrea: It won't do anything if your defaultSortField pref isn't set to call number
20:37 wizzyrea it has to be set before the patch is applied - I get it
20:38 * wizzyrea rolls it back and tries again
20:38 oleonard wizzyrea: The update is only there to catch installations where they have it set to an invalid value
20:38 wizzyrea gotya
20:39 wizzyrea and when you search, the drop down should say "call number"
20:40 wizzyrea ?
20:40 oleonard Yes
20:40 wizzyrea hrmm
20:40 oleonard Not a good sound.
20:40 wizzyrea I have the patch on, mine still says relevance
20:40 wizzyrea even though the prefs are set to call number
20:41 * wizzyrea clears the cache and what not
20:41 * cait cheers wizzyrea on and looks at rangi's bug suggestions
20:41 rangi i wonder if we can ask nengard to switch off the reposting of old videos, confuzzles people
20:41 * rangi puts that on his to do list
20:41 * druthb cheers wizzyrea too, then hits the scroll buffer to see what we're cheerin' about.
20:43 wizzyrea yea sorry, oleonard I don't think that is working :/
20:44 oleonard Okay, fail that puppy
20:48 oleonard Gotta run. See you tomorrow #koha
20:48 rangi cya oleonard
20:52 cait rangi: I will try and tackle the fine code
20:52 cait <fine>
20:52 cait but have to configure my database first.. *sigh*
20:53 rangi :)
20:56 rangi[…]43228677/soup-hub
20:57 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard I found the problem I think - it looks like the default value of ascending isn't actually set - you have to switch it to another and then back to ascending, and then it works re: bug 8657
20:57 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:58 rangi ahh yes theres a bug for that wizzyrea
20:58 rangi im pretty sure i signed it off
20:58 * druthb waves, and runs out.
20:58 * jcamins agrees with rangi about the existence of the bug.
20:58 wizzyrea oh cool - so I should not worry about that problem and sign off on this part, because it does work once the sort order is set properly
20:59 wizzyrea ya?
20:59 rangi sounds good to me
20:59 wizzyrea okies
21:00 rangi bug 8012
21:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8012 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Passed QA , defaultSortOrder and OPACdefaultSortOrder are set to "ascending" on install
21:00 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard well cool, looks like there's a separate bug for that problem which means *your* patch WORKS and I'll sign off :D
21:00 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:00 rangi A little investigation showed that this value is actually initialized NULL--which you can't set in the interface--which shows "ascending."  But the actual behavior of the sort is kinda screwy by that.  To me, it makes sense to initialize the value to SOMETHING...
21:00 rangi that ^^
21:00 wizzyrea ya, exactly
21:00 wizzyrea that is precisely what I observed
21:01 jcamins Wouldn't it be nice if sorting weren't so brittle?
21:02 rangi someone should rewrite it
21:02 jcamins Yeah, I agree.
21:03 wizzyrea hehe
21:05 cait I think it's maybe missing default values in sql/pref file?
21:06 rangi it is, but 8012 fixes that cait
21:06 jcamins cait: it is, but it also is a problem with the sorting.
21:06 cait ah cool :)
21:06 cait and heya jcamins :)
21:07 jcamins With the fixed default, we just don't notice that the sorting implementation is brittle.
21:07 jcamins Unless we are me.
21:07 jcamins In which case we curse it frequently.
21:12 rangi[…]m-hits-Wellington  (was loud last night)
21:15 wizzyrea oh yea, saw that - I guess there were also "freak" lightning storms in japan and taiwan
21:15 wizzyrea just crazy lightning
21:15 wizzyrea unusual lightning.
21:16 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
21:16 cait at least it cooled down a bit :( the thunderstorm missed us by just a little bit
21:22 wizzyrea What is LR in accountlines?
21:24 rangi hehe
21:24 rangi curl -s
21:24 rangi wizzyrea: Lost Returned
21:26 wizzyrea ty - also, weird - I have an example where returning the item didn't take it off of someone's account
21:27 rangi hmm there were some changes around that recently, im not sure if they were pushed or not though
21:27 cait I think it's supposed to be a syspref
21:27 wizzyrea well this is 3.6.4 so it could just be buggy
21:27 wizzyrea yea, I think you're right
21:27 cait or somehing, not sure
21:27 wizzyrea but I don't think that stuff is in my version
21:27 cait we are not using the lost workflow yet
21:27 cait yeah, it was a recent thing on bugzila
21:38 wizzyrea weird. I can't explain why that happened.
21:38 wizzyrea or didn't happen, as the case may be.
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21:39 wizzyrea the lost status was removed, ok. it was checked in, ok. but it didn't come off of the account - WEIRD.
21:39 cait hm.
21:39 cait maybe somehting with the way it was retunred?
21:39 rangi hmm that is weird, it should have lodged a credit balancing at zero
21:39 wizzyrea yea, precisely ^^
21:40 wizzyrea but… how could they return it that it would not trigger the process.
21:40 * wizzyrea tries all the check in boxes
21:41 wizzyrea now it just says "not checked out" - bc it is, in fact, not checked out
21:42 rangi hehe
21:42 wizzyrea I wonder about checking it out to the patron again and checking it in
21:42 wizzyrea but...
21:42 wizzyrea the simple solution to this is to just manually writeoff the $15 and lift her debarment manually.
21:43 wizzyrea :P
21:43 wizzyrea and chalk it up to a network error.
21:43 wizzyrea or something
21:43 wizzyrea sunspot
21:43 wizzyrea oh, we did have sunspots today
21:43 wizzyrea 3 M class ones, even.
21:43 rangi id try checking it out and in again
21:43 * wizzyrea goes with suspots.
21:43 wizzyrea hehe
21:44 wizzyrea yea, that usually is a cure all
21:45 cait sunspots :)
21:46 rangi wahanui: excuse?
21:46 wahanui rangi: Mouse has out-of-cheese-error
21:46 rangi there you go
21:46 wizzyrea mmmm yes
21:46 wizzyrea wahanui: excuse?
21:46 wahanui wizzyrea: operation failed because: there is no message for this error (#1014)
21:46 wizzyrea KEKE
21:47 cait excuse?
21:47 wahanui cait: Redundant ACLs.
21:47 cait excuse?
21:47 wahanui cait: Our ISP is having {switching,routing,SMDS,frame relay} problems
21:47 cait excuse?
21:47 wahanui cait: Someone has messed up the kernel pointers
21:47 wizzyrea how do you add an excuse?
21:47 cait hmmm
21:47 * wizzyrea wants to add sunspots
21:47 rangi thats in there
21:47 wizzyrea oh good
21:50 cait excuse?
21:50 wahanui cait: Jupiter is aligned with Mars.
21:50 cait ah... that's nice
21:52 wizzyrea excuse?
21:52 wahanui wizzyrea: Internet outage
21:52 wizzyrea mhm.
21:52 * wizzyrea likes this game
21:53 cait eek
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21:54 cait 8607
21:54 cait bug 8607
21:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , overdue_notices is broken
21:59 rangi can you confirm that bug 8607 works, if so ill push it to 3.8.x for 3.8.4
21:59 cait working on it
21:59 cait I got the fines
22:00 cait and I got messages created
22:00 rangi sweet
22:00 cait so that's one step further from having the script explodeon me
22:00 cait but I stil have to check the contents of the messages
22:00 rangi it's a tiny patch (8607)
22:01 cait yeah
22:01 cait i have to undo the fine patch and check again
22:01 cait because that is not working :(
22:01 cait for me at least
22:01 cait it#s still not outputting the fine
22:01 rangi yeah it probably wont without 8607
22:01 cait and what's wirth
22:01 cait worse
22:01 cait it's not giving me a list of items, but only one item whre it should be 2
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22:02 cait yeah, you can't test the fine syntax without applying 8607 - I only have to check how broken it is without using th efine syntax changes
22:02 rangi actually im pushing to 8607, there's no way it can work without that change
22:02 cait makes sense
22:02 cait i still get errors with the patch running the script - but warnings
22:02 rangi good you spotted that before the release
22:02 cait Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at line 683
22:03 cait yeah
22:03 cait wajasu's patch doesn't work :(
22:03 cait it breaks the way the notices are done
22:03 rangi ah well, fail qa, thats better than leaving it in needs signoff
22:03 cait yeah I will
22:03 cait but the first patch works allright
22:03 rangi the upside is, we spotted 8607 doing this
22:03 cait doesn't output fines
22:03 cait but all items show up in the notice
22:04 rangi sweet
22:04 cait but...
22:04 cait the fix you did once... is undone
22:04 rangi hmm ?
22:04 cait it should have given me a first notice and a second notice
22:04 cait 2 letters
22:04 cait it doesn't
22:04 rangi ah yeah
22:04 cait I hate when we break stuff that I tested and tested and tested
22:05 rangi actually i think 7447 isnt in 3.8
22:05 rangi nope
22:05 rangi so yeah 3.8.x doesnt have that bug
22:05 rangi just master
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22:05 rangi so i dont need to push 8607
22:05 cait oh
22:05 cait that's good
22:06 cait but it's still majorly broken :(
22:06 rangi in master?
22:06 cait yeah
22:06 rangi try 3.8.x
22:06 rangi i bet its better than master
22:06 cait I will have to create a new database for that
22:06 cait too late today
22:06 rangi ahh not today
22:06 rangi :)
22:06 cait will try before work
22:06 rangi its not urgent
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22:11 cait writing up my test case for wajasu now before failing
22:18 * cait growls at bug 7447
22:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7447 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Allow to specify a date in
22:18 cait and closes lots of tabs
22:18 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:18 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
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22:27 rangi meeting time brb
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