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| 00:23 |
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rangi |
hi Judit |
| 00:24 |
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Judit |
nz has 3 gold in rowing! |
| 00:24 |
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rangi |
yep, and a bronze |
| 00:25 |
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rangi |
we might get another in the k1/2000m womens |
| 00:25 |
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rangi |
and we should get one or 2 sailing ones too |
| 00:25 |
|
rangi |
things with boats we are good at it seems |
| 00:25 |
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Judit |
hungary and nz pretty much the same at the moment as for medals |
| 00:25 |
|
Judit |
this guy is my favourite rower at the moment: http://www.theaustralian.com.a[…]7l5-1226440138933 |
| 00:26 |
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rangi |
ah yeah :) |
| 00:26 |
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rangi |
i like the cook islands kayaker too |
| 00:26 |
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Judit |
what else is the usual nz medal winner? |
| 00:26 |
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rangi |
we got a silver in shotput |
| 00:27 |
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rangi |
triathlon we sometimes get medals in |
| 00:27 |
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rangi |
and cycling |
| 00:27 |
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Judit |
teamgames? |
| 00:27 |
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rangi |
we should get a medal in womens hockey |
| 00:29 |
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Judit |
olympics time waster: http://www.google.com/doodles/hurdles-2012 |
| 00:30 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 00:42 |
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rangi |
sup wizzyrea |
| 00:52 |
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wizzyrea |
not much :) |
| 01:03 |
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rangi |
hhmmm i guess we should add the openlx people eh? |
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| 04:16 |
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cait |
morning #koha |
| 04:16 |
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rangi |
hi cait |
| 04:16 |
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cait |
hi rangi |
| 04:16 |
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rangi |
Needs Signoff - 98 .. for the first time in ages, below 100 |
| 04:21 |
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cait |
woot |
| 04:21 |
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cait |
you have one lots today |
| 05:01 |
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| 05:08 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 05:08 |
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mtompset |
Looks like today, I get to check out my Koha bugs. |
| 05:19 |
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mtompset |
Why don't have a stated preference for spaces or tabs, do we? It's weird reading code when my tabs and spaces cause bizarre indention. |
| 05:19 |
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mtompset |
Drop the why... Do we have a standard? |
| 05:21 |
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cait |
we have |
| 05:21 |
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cait |
4 spaces |
| 05:23 |
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cait |
but there is also a rule to not reindent old code only to reindent |
| 05:23 |
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cait |
:) |
| 05:23 |
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mtompset |
Is there a link somewhere that states that? |
| 05:23 |
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cait |
it should be in the coding guidelines? |
| 05:23 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but someone added new code. They used tabs. |I think their tab setting is to 4. |
| 05:23 |
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cait |
then rm or qa will complain about it |
| 05:24 |
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cait |
they already do in lots of cases |
| 05:24 |
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mtompset |
-- unless they have their tab settings to 4 as well, in which case they won't notice it. :) |
| 05:24 |
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mtompset |
Oh, and greetings, cait. :) |
| 05:24 |
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cait |
hi mtompset |
| 05:25 |
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cait |
you can still see a difference between tab and spaces |
| 05:25 |
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mtompset |
Not if I change the display width of my tabs to 4. |
| 05:25 |
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cait |
if you show the .. hm characters you will |
| 05:25 |
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cait |
not sure how you call that |
| 05:25 |
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mtompset |
And only if I got to the line. |
| 05:25 |
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mtompset |
go to... |
| 05:26 |
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cait |
but it doesn't matter much, if someone slipped in tabs, it's still wrong |
| 05:26 |
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cait |
even if it succeeded |
| 05:26 |
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cait |
we have a rule |
| 05:27 |
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mtompset |
I like rules. It makes decision making easier. Though, sometimes they make doing harder. Nah... Still like rules. |
| 05:27 |
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cait |
I don't think using spaces instea of tabs makes anything harder - you can set your editor to do spaces for a tab |
| 05:27 |
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cait |
so it's not even different in typing |
| 05:28 |
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mtompset |
I only noticed because I was checking my bug: bug 8175. |
| 05:28 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Check for something in materials field fails in catalogue/details.pl |
| 05:29 |
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mtompset |
I'm sure the analytic code is new. |
| 05:30 |
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mtompset |
^sure^pretty sure^ |
| 05:35 |
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mtompset |
workflow? |
| 05:35 |
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mtompset |
work flow? |
| 05:43 |
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Oak |
kia ora #koha |
| 05:45 |
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Oak |
hello mtompset :) |
| 05:45 |
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Oak |
cait! |
| 05:45 |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
| 05:45 |
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Oak |
magnuse |
| 05:46 |
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Oak |
:) |
| 05:46 |
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* Oak |
sends rangi ice cream. |
| 05:46 |
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cait |
:) |
| 05:46 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Oak. |
| 05:47 |
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mtompset |
Sorry, I work from home, and my son distracted me. :) |
| 05:47 |
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mtompset |
@wunder MNL |
| 05:47 |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 23.0°C (1:00 PM PHT on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:47 |
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mtompset |
It should say "Torrential Rain". |
| 05:48 |
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Oak |
:) rain is good. |
| 05:48 |
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Oak |
@wunder islamabad |
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| 05:48 |
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huginn |
Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 32.0°C (10:00 AM PKT on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:49 |
|
Oak |
@wunder konstanz |
| 05:49 |
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huginn |
Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.1°C (7:45 AM CEST on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:49 |
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Oak |
hmm |
| 05:49 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, dcook |
| 05:49 |
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dcook |
Hola mtompset |
| 05:49 |
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cait |
hi dcook :) |
| 05:49 |
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dcook |
Hey cait :) |
| 05:50 |
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cait |
Oak: yeah, could be a bit nicer :) |
| 05:52 |
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Oak |
compared to ours, it's very very nice :) |
| 05:52 |
|
cait |
:) |
| 05:55 |
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dcook |
Potentially quick question for you, cait. I notice that you've posted a patch that introduced a system preference in the past. What are all the areas that a person needs to add besides the actual script in question. I'm seeing "sysprefs.sql", "updatedatabase.pl", and "opac.pref" (or whatever relevant .pref file). Are there any others that I might be missing? |
| 05:55 |
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cait |
nope :) |
| 05:55 |
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cait |
those are all |
| 05:55 |
|
cait |
updatedatabase for updating existing installations, syspref.sql to make it work on new installations and the pref file to make it visible in the editor |
| 05:55 |
|
cait |
all good |
| 05:56 |
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dcook |
Awesome! Thanks :) |
| 05:59 |
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magnuse |
dcook: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]system_preference |
| 05:59 |
|
* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:00 |
|
cait |
hi magnuse :) |
| 06:00 |
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magnuse |
guten morgen cait |
| 06:00 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
| 06:00 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:00 |
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cait |
you think we could still call for gbsd on friday? |
| 06:00 |
|
cait |
I ddidn't manage to update the wiki page :( |
| 06:00 |
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magnuse |
yup, better late than never! |
| 06:00 |
|
cait |
:) |
| 06:01 |
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* magnuse |
wants to go and see te takere when it's finished |
| 06:01 |
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* cait |
too |
| 06:03 |
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dcook |
Thanks, magnuse. I really should take more advantage of the wiki... |
| 06:04 |
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magnuse |
dcook: you are not alone then, i think :-) |
| 06:04 |
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dcook |
:) |
| 06:05 |
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dcook |
I wonder if I'm alone on my newest burden though |
| 06:05 |
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magnuse |
cait: feel like sending out an email? |
| 06:05 |
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dcook |
Someone changed the permissions of the files in the git, and now all sorts of badness is happening.. |
| 06:05 |
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* cait |
hides |
| 06:06 |
|
cait |
maybe after the dentist |
| 06:06 |
|
cait |
will you be around later? |
| 06:06 |
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magnuse |
cait: yup |
| 06:06 |
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magnuse |
dcook: i had that happen once too - i just started over with a fresh clone... |
| 06:07 |
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mtj |
dcook: why not just roll back your repo to before the badness? |
| 06:08 |
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| 06:09 |
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Judit |
hi |
| 06:09 |
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wahanui |
salut, Judit |
| 06:10 |
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mtj |
... you have a problem that git solves perfectly, afaik |
| 06:10 |
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dcook |
I'm pondering how to do that at this point |
| 06:10 |
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dcook |
The permission changes don't appear the same as regular code changes |
| 06:11 |
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dcook |
When I try a git stash save, it says there are no changes to save :/ |
| 06:11 |
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mtj |
i'm sure git tracks file-perms?! |
| 06:12 |
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dcook |
It must somehow. |
| 06:12 |
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* dcook |
ventures off to Google-land |
| 06:13 |
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mtj |
oops, me wrong :) |
| 06:13 |
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mtj |
just did a little test - looks like me wrogn :/ |
| 06:14 |
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| 06:14 |
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mtj |
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/in[…]ontentLimitations |
| 06:16 |
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dcook |
Hmm, this is problematic |
| 06:17 |
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magnuse |
kia ora Irma! |
| 06:17 |
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Irma |
Bonjour magnuse ... how are you? |
| 06:18 |
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magnuse |
Irma: all good :-) |
| 06:18 |
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Irma |
how is the new born? |
| 06:18 |
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magnuse |
he's good too - eating and growing |
| 06:19 |
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Irma |
magnuse: Good to hear! |
| 06:19 |
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magnuse |
Irma: :-) |
| 06:20 |
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* magnuse |
wanders off to make breakfast for the mum |
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| 06:49 |
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dcook |
Interesting factoid... |
| 06:50 |
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dcook |
It appears that one can only open a directory in Linux if the execute bit is set |
| 06:56 |
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dcook |
Also: " find . -type d -exec chmod 000 {} \; " works like a charm for just chmodding directories. |
| 06:57 |
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dcook |
In the end, zee git is saved ^_^ |
| 06:59 |
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mtompset |
You mean 700, not 000, right? |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
I just copied and pasted the example |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
I figured 000 was better than xxx |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
I'm off to gallivant around the city now though. 'night, mtompset |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 07:11 |
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mtompset |
700 = drwx------ |
| 07:11 |
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matts |
hi ! |
| 07:13 |
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mtompset |
doh! Too slow. |
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kf |
good morning again #koha |
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mveron |
Hi kf :-) |
| 07:35 |
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kf |
hi mveron |
| 07:35 |
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kf |
:) |
| 07:38 |
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rangi |
hmm is biblionumber maybed to a control field in UNIMARC? |
| 07:38 |
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magnuse |
maybed? |
| 07:38 |
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kf |
oh don't say bed... |
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hdl |
rangi: it is mapped to 001 by default iirc |
| 07:38 |
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rangi |
well this patch is harmless if not anyway, and if it is, then it will stop the error |
| 07:39 |
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rangi |
ahhh so not 999 |
| 07:39 |
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rangi |
no wonder i couldnt reproduce this |
| 07:39 |
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rangi |
cool thanks hdl |
| 07:39 |
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* rangi |
changes mapping to test |
| 07:39 |
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hdl |
French UNIMARC i mean. |
| 07:39 |
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rangi |
*nod* |
| 07:39 |
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rangi |
thats what i had done wrong |
| 07:39 |
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rangi |
cool, signing off |
| 07:40 |
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kf |
rangi++ |
| 07:40 |
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kf |
lots of sign-offs |
| 07:45 |
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* rangi |
starts testing bug 7986 |
| 07:45 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Export issues |
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kf |
rangi: you kicked me off the dashboard - I will have to change that :) |
| 07:50 |
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rangi |
go on then, i dare you |
| 07:50 |
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mtompset |
I was wondering if anyone could confirm that searching for <space> (the actual single space bar kind) triggers an error in their logs. |
| 07:53 |
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rangi |
is joubu about? |
| 08:09 |
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rangi |
can't sign off, but it should be an easy fix |
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drojf |
hello #koha |
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| 08:13 |
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rangi |
hi drojf |
| 08:13 |
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rangi |
hi eythian |
| 08:13 |
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drojf |
hey rangi |
| 08:13 |
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eythian |
howdy |
| 08:13 |
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magnuse |
kia ora! |
| 08:14 |
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drojf |
http://www.h-online.com/open/f[…]ware-1650191.html |
| 08:16 |
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* magnuse |
sends the article to his kindle for later reading |
| 08:19 |
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eythian |
that seems to have a bit of a misunderstanding of kickstarter, which is more "if we get enough money, we'll do this thing", not a way of continuous income. |
| 08:20 |
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eythian |
(also requires a US bank account, but that's not a feature of the model per se) |
| 08:22 |
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| 08:22 |
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drojf |
eythian: i suppose that would kind of work if you get people to fund huge projects that you can work on for several months or longer, and/or you get several of your projects funded and you can work on one after the other. but i don't think that is really something "stable" that somebody would like to depend on to pay his/her bills |
| 08:24 |
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eythian |
http://www.kickstarter.com/pro[…]but-with-your-own <-- there is stuff like this too |
| 08:27 |
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* kf |
waves |
| 08:27 |
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drojf |
eythian: that is cool |
| 08:27 |
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drojf |
hi kf |
| 08:29 |
|
* magnuse |
wonders briefly if https://metacpan.org/module/DW[…]AL/lib/sqitch.pod might be useful for koha |
| 08:31 |
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magnuse |
"Sqitch is a database change management application." |
| 08:32 |
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kf |
it is a standalone change management system with no opinions about your database engine, application framework, or your development environment. |
| 08:37 |
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drojf |
App-Sqitch-0.80-TRIAL. trial? |
| 08:38 |
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kf |
seems to be a dev version |
| 08:38 |
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kf |
hm a no, ignore me |
| 08:39 |
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rangi |
yeah its a dev release, hasnt had a stable release yet afaict |
| 08:40 |
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kf |
ah, got confused :) |
| 08:41 |
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drojf |
yes i think there are only dev releases. but trial is a weird name, sounds like a testversion before you pay for something. like in the good old windows days |
| 08:41 |
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eythian |
A shareware cpan module, eh |
| 08:41 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
| 08:41 |
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drojf |
:) |
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kf |
good old? |
| 08:44 |
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* magnuse |
suspects a hint a of irony... |
| 08:45 |
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drojf |
well, the best thing about it lies in the past ;) |
| 08:45 |
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drojf |
…about it is that it lies in the past. not awake yet |
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Joubu |
hi #koha |
| 08:48 |
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rangi |
hi Joubu |
| 08:50 |
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Joubu |
jcamins_away: gaetan_B told me you want to talk to me ? :) |
| 08:50 |
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rangi |
Joubu: did you accidentally obsolete the first patch on bug 7986 ? |
| 08:50 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Export issues |
| 08:50 |
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Joubu |
rangi: oups yes ! |
| 08:50 |
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rangi |
cool, ill unobsolete it :) |
| 08:50 |
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rangi |
just checking |
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* rangi |
retests |
| 08:57 |
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drojf |
"needs signoff: 94". cool, so 115 was not hardcoded ;) |
| 09:00 |
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rangi |
oooh the keirin |
| 09:00 |
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rangi |
this is such a ridiculous event |
| 09:01 |
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kf |
keirin? |
| 09:02 |
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rangi |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin |
| 09:02 |
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drojf |
lol. i miss a lot of funny things not watching sports |
| 09:02 |
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kf |
huh |
| 09:02 |
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kf |
weird :) |
| 09:04 |
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drojf |
no, japanese ;) |
| 09:07 |
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rangi |
nzer just qualified for the next round |
| 09:08 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 09:09 |
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magnuse |
oh, too bad kohacon13 isn't in april, may or june! (my local airline starts a direct route from copenhagen to san francisco and has introductory offers in that period :-) |
| 09:09 |
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rangi |
you could go really really early :) |
| 09:09 |
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drojf |
magnuse: go early, spend the money you don't have to pay for the flight on holidays ;) |
| 09:10 |
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magnuse |
ooh, good plan! |
| 09:13 |
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rangi |
kf: germany just qualified too |
| 09:14 |
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kf |
we have keirin cyclers? |
| 09:14 |
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rangi |
apparently |
| 09:15 |
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rangi |
most countried appear to, its just a complicated sprint race :) |
| 09:15 |
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rangi |
france in this next heat |
| 09:16 |
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kf |
nz germany in hockey was a draw? |
| 09:16 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 09:16 |
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kf |
hm 0:0? |
| 09:16 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 09:16 |
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rangi |
last time germany won 5-1 |
| 09:16 |
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rangi |
so good improvement |
| 09:16 |
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rangi |
and now nz in the semi finals for the first time ever! |
| 09:17 |
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rangi |
(for womens hockey anyway) |
| 09:18 |
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* magnuse |
thinks hockey = ice hockey |
| 09:18 |
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rangi |
wrong olympics for that |
| 09:19 |
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rangi |
france won that heat |
| 09:19 |
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magnuse |
yeah, summer olympics is kind of boring for norwegians ;-) |
| 09:20 |
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* magnuse |
thinks any kind of olympics is kind of boring, though |
| 09:21 |
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| 09:21 |
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rangi |
handball |
| 09:21 |
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rangi |
http://www.london2012.com/country/norway/ |
| 09:21 |
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magnuse |
yeah, thanks |
| 09:21 |
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rangi |
id watch that, if i had any idea what the hell was going on |
| 09:22 |
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* magnuse |
knows someone who played on the norwegian handball team in 1992 (and maybe 1996?) |
| 09:22 |
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rangi |
ill watch the kayak tho |
| 09:37 |
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mtj |
woah, scary -> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab[…]onan-hacking/all/ |
| 09:38 |
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drojf |
yeah for "the cloud" |
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mtj |
its a clever exploit too |
| 09:39 |
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mtompset |
What does "17:09:08-07/08 zebraidx(4597) [warn] Unknown register type:" mean? |
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drojf |
social engineering? sure |
| 09:40 |
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mtj |
yep, an oldie - but a goodie :) |
| 09:40 |
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mtj |
mtompset: hmm, not sure... |
| 09:40 |
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mtj |
... have you edited any of your zebra files? |
| 09:41 |
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kf |
mtompset: I see that error too - still hoping someone will fix it - doesn't seem to have bad consequences so far |
| 09:41 |
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kf |
and no idea what it measn. |
| 09:42 |
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mtompset |
No. I did a git pull, web admin update, and then I figured I better do a full zebra index because a search for THE failed. |
| 09:42 |
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mtompset |
I mean staff client triggered web update. |
| 09:43 |
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mtj |
aah ok - just curious.. |
| 09:43 |
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hdl |
http://www.debian.org/security/2012/dsa-2525 |
| 09:45 |
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mtompset |
Is the 4597 an error code or a record number? |
| 09:46 |
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eythian |
probably a PID |
| 09:50 |
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mtompset |
correct... I just did a ps aux | grep zebra. |
| 09:56 |
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mtompset |
I found this old post: http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipe[…]March/002465.html |
| 09:56 |
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mtompset |
I'm seeing what's in the default.idx file. |
| 09:57 |
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mtompset |
abs files? |
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drojf |
not sure what that question means |
| 10:04 |
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mtompset |
I was noticing the comment on top. |
| 10:04 |
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mtompset |
It isn't a question. |
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eythian |
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab[…]onan-hacking/all/ <-- beware the ides of cloud (and apple ;) |
| 10:05 |
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mtompset |
Though, I notice that a search for record.abs on bugzilla shows bug 7818 and bug 8136 which are pushed. |
| 10:05 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records |
| 10:05 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8136 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , Changes the expected lenght of 100$a in rebuild_zebra.pl |
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mtompset |
I'm guessing something in 8136 may have triggered this warning which I didn't have before. |
| 10:07 |
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drojf |
mtompset: that is for unimarc |
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mtompset |
True. :( |
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magnuse |
Oak |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Oak... I almost typed Okay. :) |
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Oak |
magnuse |
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Oak |
:) mtompset |
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kf |
mtompset: did you activate dom indexing? |
| 10:24 |
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mtompset |
dom is the default setting. |
| 10:25 |
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mtompset |
Are you suggesting there's a set I missed? If so, what is it? |
| 10:25 |
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mtompset |
^set^step^ |
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mtompset |
should have I rebuilt after the git pull? |
| 10:45 |
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mtompset |
My poor VM's and netbook are grunting away. |
| 10:47 |
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mtompset |
anyone want an easy signoff? check out bug 8175. :) |
| 10:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Check for something in materials field fails in catalogue/details.pl |
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rangi |
ive done enough sign offs today, someone elses turn :) |
| 10:53 |
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mtompset |
Come on... I'm pretty sure this is one you looked at before. |
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rangi |
yep, ive done 14 today. if its easy someone else can do it :) |
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magnuse |
rangi++ |
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kf |
rangi++ |
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liw |
rangi++ |
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mtompset |
14... wow |
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mtompset |
rangi++ |
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jcamins |
Joubu: I was trying to figure out the benefit of Moo. |
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eythian |
it's how cows talk to each other. |
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kf |
lol |
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eythian |
http://i.imgur.com/mylvx.jpg <-- careful, this is what the olympics brings out in people |
| 11:33 |
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magnuse |
lol |
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eythian |
http://i.imgur.com/TqgKh.jpg <-- or this |
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magnuse |
ouch? |
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kf |
eythian: vampires? |
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eythian |
synchronised swimmers, but close enough |
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Joubu |
jcamins: In june, I attend to the FPW (French Perl Workshop). Here is a talk by Matt Trout (the author of Moo). He explains why he wrote Moo. (sound is quite bad...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzTWTLaUZrg |
| 11:57 |
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eythian |
koha/intranet/modules/C4/Reserves2.pm.20070129.mtj <-- I wonder who it was who did that kind of thing ... |
| 11:57 |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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mtj |
heh, some idiot - before she got herself decent scm... |
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mtj |
^a |
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* jcamins |
is watching the video. |
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mtj |
... back in the back old days before git :/ |
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mtj |
i like the idea of using moo first |
| 12:01 |
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mtj |
if we find the need to - we can always 'upgrade' from moo to moose, easy |
| 12:02 |
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jcamins |
mtj: I'm still looking for the killer feature of Moo that makes it superior to Class::Accessor. |
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mtj |
if we find the need to - we can always 'upgrade' from Class::Accessor to moo ? |
| 12:02 |
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eythian |
trying to establish a standard OO library? |
| 12:03 |
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jcamins |
eythian: okay, why Moo and not Class::Accessor? |
| 12:03 |
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eythian |
I've not used either |
| 12:03 |
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koyauni |
I am new to Koha, is there any special room dealing with installation of KOHA please |
| 12:04 |
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eythian |
jcamins: my preference is small and easy to learn/use, that's about it. |
| 12:04 |
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eythian |
koyauni: there's no special room, there is just here. |
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mtj |
i guess the advantage of moo over C::A - is the easier upgrade to moose, if koha needed too? |
| 12:05 |
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eythian |
mtj: jcamins: why not Mouse? :) |
| 12:05 |
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koyauni |
:) I found installing of Koha a nightmare, I need to install it on a subdomain on a dedicated server |
| 12:05 |
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eythian |
that's the standard way of doing it, yeah |
| 12:05 |
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koyauni |
anyone got tips for me where to look |
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mtj |
its 3 times the size of moo? |
| 12:06 |
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eythian |
koyauni: running Debian? |
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eythian |
(or Ubuntu 12.04) |
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mtj |
koyauni: use the debian koha packages... on debian |
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koyauni |
CentOS |
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eythian |
oh. |
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eythian |
CentOS is harder. |
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hdl |
mtj eythian seems that Moo is WAY faster than Mouse |
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koyauni |
It is REDhat CentOS 6.2 |
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hdl |
and lighter too. |
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eythian |
fair enough. I was just trying to confuse the issue more ;) |
| 12:06 |
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eythian |
koyauni: there's no such thing as redhat centos :) |
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eythian |
and unless they've restarted their versioning, redhat 6.2 is very. very old |
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koyauni |
well, the server host says that CentOS is Redhat free version |
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hdl |
and btw and fwiw, Moo is both compatible with Moose and Mouse. |
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mtj |
koyauni: use koha on debian *first*, if you have problems with centos |
| 12:07 |
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eythian |
oh, they've restarted their versioning. |
| 12:08 |
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mtj |
hdl: thanks for the info... and hi! |
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eythian |
koyauni: it' |
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hdl |
hi mtj. |
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eythian |
koyauni: it's possible to do it on centos, but a lot harder than on debian |
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koyauni |
well we are a university in Iraq and we have this dedicated server with Codero.com |
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koyauni |
so there is no choice of using what anything but what they offer |
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eythian |
ah right. In that case, you'll just have to walk through the instructions for centos carefully. I've never done it, but I know that people have. |
| 12:09 |
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jcamins |
koyauni: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n_Centos_6.2_i386 |
| 12:10 |
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koyauni |
how come Koha is not friendly as installing Joomla, Wordpress or Drupal, :( |
| 12:10 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, that is all the help I can give you. |
| 12:10 |
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jcamins |
Because Koha is a much larger application. |
| 12:10 |
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kf |
koyauni: what jcamins said |
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eythian |
koyauni: there is much, much more configuration required, and options available. |
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koyauni |
I have seen that but that spread all over the server and I am not able to make auto backup of the application |
| 12:11 |
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eythian |
koyauni: 99% of everything is stored in the database, you just back up your database. |
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mtj |
koyauni: and no need to backup all perl dependancies either... just database |
| 12:12 |
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koyauni |
I even suggested to Google Summer code to take Koha and make more easier to average school/uni |
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mtj |
koha install can be easy... if you choose the easy way to install koha |
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eythian |
koyauni: on Debian, installation is fairly easy. |
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jcamins |
koyauni: the problem with GSOC is there has to be a volunteer willing to spend an entire summer working with a student. |
| 12:13 |
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koyauni |
Then I guess I have to give it a go |
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eythian |
part of the problem on centos is that centos doesn't provide all the required libraries, so you have to get them in there by hand. |
| 12:14 |
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eythian |
koha can't fix that (easily) |
| 12:14 |
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koyauni |
I think this is best application a uni can get, but it need to become easy to handle. |
| 12:15 |
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koyauni |
I see, I have already put the latest Perl 5.16 |
| 12:15 |
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koyauni |
and I am doing other pack slowly, |
| 12:15 |
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koyauni |
id Ubuntu better |
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eythian |
I can get it running on Ubuntu or Debian in about an hour, including installing the OS |
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liw |
it would be possible for someone to create the necessary RPM packages for Koha and its dependencies, but that takes some effort; that effort is already spent on the Debian packages, and the RPM packages will happen when someone spends the effort on RPM packaging too (continued effort: it's not a one-time task) |
| 12:16 |
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liw |
once that's done, installing on CentOS should become as easy as installing on Debian |
| 12:16 |
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liw |
(I would just rent a Debian host for Koha, myself, but then I'm biased) |
| 12:16 |
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eythian |
liw: I get the impression there'd be many, many more packages required than there is for the debian installation. |
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jcamins |
In the intest of making conversation, you're not at AUI-S, are you? |
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liw |
eythian, that is my impression too |
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koyauni |
sorry are you asking me |
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jcamins |
koyauni: yep. :) |
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koyauni |
what is AUI-S |
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eythian |
mtj: I'm tempted to give you this code to work out, there's not even a comment that explains what it's trying to do :( |
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jcamins |
American University of Iraq at Sulaimani. I guess you're not there. |
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koyauni |
no, no |
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koyauni |
I am at Koya University, I am trying to get our all them manual library into Koha |
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* jcamins |
would have asked you to give his greetings to the faculty he knows there if you were. |
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koyauni |
koayuniversity.org |
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koyauni |
I have created thsi subdomain library.koyauniversity.org |
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mtj |
eythian: i'm curious for a look |
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koyauni |
hoping to get this work, I got a paid dev to do this, a 2 hrs work became 3 weeks and at the end our server crashed :( |
| 12:20 |
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koyauni |
so I am trying to find out why he could not do this |
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jcamins |
koyauni: I've heard that some people have successfully installed Koha on CentOS. |
| 12:21 |
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jcamins |
That said, I refuse to take jobs that require me to try it. |
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eythian |
mtj: it's "processing_reports.pl", last CVS id is 2007 |
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eythian |
something to do with a custom report that gives information about item flow |
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koyauni |
please if you can do this for us it will be of great help to our students |
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eythian |
koyauni: if you have the budget for it, you could get a hosted koha |
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* jcamins |
cannot, but if you take a look at the paid support page, you might find someone who would be willing to take it on. |
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jcamins |
Or you could go with a hosted system, which is what I would probably recommend. |
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mtj |
paid support? |
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wahanui |
please see http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ for a list of paid Koha support vendors. |
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* jcamins |
also generally avoids dealing with self-hosted systems even when they are running Debian. |
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drojf |
try to get mtompset to do it, he likes to make koha run on weird non-debian linuxes ;) |
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koyauni |
no I checked that, that kind of money for state owned uni does not exist, here you have to do it yourself our leave it |
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mtompset |
Ha ha, drojf. |
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mtj |
eythian: hmm... doesnt ring a bell ? |
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jcamins |
drojf: hehe. Last I heard he had thrown up his hands in frustration and given up on installing Koha on CentOS, at least until tomorrow. |
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mtompset |
It's become a low priority. |
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eythian |
mtj: for Rangetikei? 5 years ago? how could you not remember? ;) |
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jcamins |
Understandably. |
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mtompset |
But my yuminstall script is available for those who dare to run it on an RPM-based OS. |
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koyauni |
we have PRM on our server |
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mtompset |
It lists what is missing. |
| 12:25 |
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koyauni |
at least I did install it yesterday |
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mtompset |
And you will have to CPAN. |
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koyauni |
yes, that exist as well |
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koyauni |
what is the command to check that, I can check that now |
| 12:25 |
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mtompset |
Though, I would recommend just following the instructions that were linked here before. |
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mtompset |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n_Centos_6.2_i386 |
| 12:27 |
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mtompset |
Anything I would give would probably confuse you more. |
| 12:28 |
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jcamins |
Agreed. |
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jcamins |
:P |
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mtompset |
I can feel the love, jcamins. |
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koyauni |
that instruction guide you as you will have only Koha on the server, but this server has 10 major websites on it, |
| 12:28 |
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mtompset |
Just remember I helped get check_deps.sh nicely cleaned up for your use. :P |
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jcamins |
mtompset: it's an awesome script! |
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jcamins |
check_deps.sh makes generating the releases much easier. |
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jcamins |
koyauni: I don't suppose that makes a whole lot of difference. However, as no one here has tried it, you'll have to keep that in mind and be prepared to troubleshoot. |
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drojf |
can i specify in git to install something like 3.8.7, i mean specify the exact version? i am wondering if i switch from packages to git when i wipe our installation with the zebra problems. would be easier to have local changes |
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eythian |
drojf: yes, just checkout that tag |
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drojf |
cool |
| 12:31 |
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eythian |
though, I build packages with customations in and deploy them through a repo. |
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mtompset |
Actually, if you are familiar with apache configuration, you should be able to tweak the instructions at the end, koyauni. |
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drojf |
eythian: i was thinking about that, but that would mean i would have to set up the building stuff too |
| 12:32 |
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eythian |
it's not too hard. |
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mtompset |
drojf: I've done all three kinds of installs. |
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drojf |
eythian: is there something about that in the wiki? i remember i built debian packages for something a long time AGO |
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drojf |
damn computer with working caps lock |
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mtompset |
The major advantage of packages is the disk space saving when you don't have to build it yourself. |
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drojf |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_Debian_Packages |
| 12:33 |
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eythian |
drojf: yeah, that |
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wahanui |
yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha... |
| 12:35 |
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mtompset |
Oh, you're going to pre-package stuff yourself. |
| 12:35 |
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mtompset |
Nevermind. I haven't tried that yet. I'm still a novice. |
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eythian |
drojf: by-and-large, just run build-git-snapshot |
| 12:36 |
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eythian |
I have shell scripts to put things into repositories etc, but that's about it. |
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mtompset |
Dumb question... Let's say in 4-6 months, I actually have time, and I do succeed at getting sort of clean RPM-based OS installs. Would I be able to request a rpm.koha-community.org site to host RPM's of the missing libraries? |
| 12:37 |
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eythian |
yes |
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koyauni |
The server admin says that they can have debian on our server but we will loose all data and we need to configure everything from scartch |
| 12:38 |
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eythian |
(requesting is easy, but I expect someone will give it to you ;) |
| 12:39 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: I watched the video, and I see why Moo is superior to Moose, but not why it's superior to Class::Accessor. |
| 12:39 |
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mtompset |
losing all data doesn't sound good. you said there were 10 other systems. |
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mtompset |
jcamins: I suspect the fact that it has Moose compatible syntax makes it better, in the speakers mind? |
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eythian |
it should be installable on a system like that, all you need is another virtual host, everything else is pretty much independent. |
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mtompset |
The major problem with multiple OO systems is multiple syntaxes. |
| 12:42 |
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mtompset |
Wait... doesn't Class::Accessor have a Moose clone syntax? |
| 12:42 |
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koyauni |
I guess getting a new Debian host is best option then |
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jcamins |
mtompset: no idea. I'm still looking for any reason that Moo is superior to Class::Accessor all the way across. |
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eythian |
If it's busy, koha can put a reasonable amount of load on a system too, it's own host may prevent it upsetting other services. |
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mtompset |
It seems to provide more functionality? |
| 12:43 |
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mtompset |
Which actually may be a drawback, if you want something trim. |
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mtompset |
Yes, getting a new debian system is the best option. |
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mtj |
koyauni: start with a debian koha - when you have done a koha on debian, try a centos koha |
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mtj |
koyauni: don't run - before you learn to walk... |
| 12:45 |
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mtompset |
mtj made a good suggestion. Once you've installed it at least once, it will help you understand the installation procedure. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yes, Class::Accessor supports a Moose-like syntax. |
| 12:46 |
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koyauni |
We have Dev in house he has already done this on Debian, |
| 12:46 |
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mtj |
koyauni: then, when your centos koha is broken - you have a working debian koha to compare with |
| 12:46 |
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koyauni |
but that is locally and we want that on the server |
| 12:47 |
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mtompset |
I think a potential disadvantage of Class:Accessor is being limited to just Accessors. Moo provides the ability to expand beyond that, though you don't have to. |
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Joubu |
jcamins: For me, a good argument is the activity of the project. Last version for Class::Accessor is 15 Sep 2009. Instead of Moo, 04 Aug 2012 for the last version on cpan |
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mtompset |
Activity doesn't mean much... perhaps Class:Accessor is perfect the way it is. ;) |
| 12:48 |
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eythian |
activity is fairly important |
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jcamins |
Joubu: on the other hand, the Class::Accessor functionality appears to be fully-implemented, and we haven't encountered any bugs. It could be that Moo doesn't deliver on its promise yet. |
| 12:49 |
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mtompset |
It was a very interesting video to watch though. :) |
| 12:49 |
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eythian |
are there many open bugs? |
| 12:49 |
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eythian |
(also much indication of a userbase) |
| 12:50 |
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koyauni |
is links 3 here good enough to go for |
| 12:50 |
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koyauni |
http://vpslink.com/debian-vps/ |
| 12:51 |
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mtj |
having no experience with either... my hunch is moo, over C::A |
| 12:51 |
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jcamins |
koyauni: no, you need more than 256MB of RAM. |
| 12:51 |
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jcamins |
At least 512, and better 1GB. |
| 12:51 |
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mtj |
1) moo is closely related to mouse and moose 2) more commit activity |
| 12:52 |
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mtj |
3) mst wrote it :) |
| 12:52 |
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eythian |
also, 10GB of disk is risky |
| 12:52 |
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jcamins |
True. |
| 12:52 |
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mtompset |
512MB is painfully small for 39000 items. |
| 12:53 |
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koyauni |
that means link 5 at least, $60 a months |
| 12:53 |
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koyauni |
do you guys know any cheaper hosting |
| 12:53 |
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jcamins |
That seems rather pricey. Linode 768 is only $30. |
| 12:53 |
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jcamins |
http://www.linode.com/ |
| 12:54 |
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mtj |
koyauni: i use linode for koha, muuuuch cheaper |
| 12:54 |
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liw |
http://www.hetzner.de/ rents real hardware (not virtual machines) for that price, and you can then have each of your sites in a virtual machine you set up on that real hardware yourself, if you want |
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arrun |
hi |
| 12:56 |
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jcamins |
mtj: I'm still looking for a reason why it would be worth my time to rewrite working code in Moo. I am willing to, if there is a technical reason it would be worthwhile. |
| 12:56 |
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mtj |
jcamins: i cant think of any reason :) |
| 12:56 |
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mtompset |
Because if you are re-writing the authentication modules, Class:Accessor isn't enough. ;) |
| 12:57 |
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mtj |
mtompset: why not? |
| 12:57 |
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mtompset |
I haven't thought why. I'm just rambling in this case. ;) |
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mtj |
jcamins: fyi: i'm not suggesting you should rewrite your stuff to moo.pm - i think its ok as it is.... |
| 12:59 |
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eythian |
I would vote against a proliferation of OO frameworks however |
| 12:59 |
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eythian |
Because that way lies madness |
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mtompset |
Yes... but how many does Koha currently have? |
| 13:00 |
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eythian |
0, I think. |
| 13:00 |
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mtompset |
It has Class:Accessor. |
| 13:01 |
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eythian |
it does? I haven't seen that, but I haven't looked ither. |
| 13:01 |
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eythian |
+e |
| 13:01 |
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mtompset |
And I haven't gone looking, but I suspect... there is another way in there somewhere. |
| 13:03 |
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hdl |
eythian: iirc, Class::Accessor is required for SIP2 support. |
| 13:03 |
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eythian |
Ah right, I've not looked into the SIP stuff |
| 13:04 |
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hdl |
and seems to be used in C4::Cache |
| 13:04 |
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mtompset |
Yes, that is the one I was thinking of, but couldn't remember. |
| 13:04 |
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mtompset |
Koha::Cache.pm |
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mtompset |
C4::Linker.pm |
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mtompset |
C4::Templates.pm |
| 13:05 |
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mtompset |
What is C4::Linker? |
| 13:06 |
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eythian |
authorities linking? |
| 13:06 |
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eythian |
just guessing |
| 13:06 |
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mtompset |
Good guess. |
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mtompset |
C4::Linker - Base class for linking authorities to bibliographic records |
| 13:07 |
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eythian |
The fact we're using it already seems like a vote for Class::Accessor then |
| 13:08 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but Koha::SearchEngine::* uses Moose. |
| 13:08 |
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mtompset |
Moose, Moose::Role, Moose:Util |
| 13:09 |
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mtompset |
C4::Installer uses MooseX::Storage and MooseX::Types |
| 13:10 |
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mtompset |
Nevermind that lastbit. |
| 13:10 |
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mtompset |
It's listing PerlDependencies. |
| 13:10 |
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mtompset |
but that is strange.... |
| 13:11 |
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oleonard |
Good news: The "needs signoff" list is down to 91 bugs. Bad news: 91 "needs signoff" bugs sounds like an improvement. |
| 13:11 |
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mtompset |
Why does PerlDependencies have MooseX, where there are no other *.p[lm] files which |
| 13:11 |
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mtompset |
which have Moose? |
| 13:12 |
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mtompset |
or specifically MooseX. |
| 13:13 |
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mtompset |
That means it must have been over 100 before rangi put in 14 signoffs earlier today. |
| 13:13 |
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oleonard |
rangi++ |
| 13:13 |
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mtompset |
Congrats to rangi bringing it below triple digits! |
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* Guest1725 |
waves |
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Guest1725 |
hmm |
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wizzyrea |
that's nicer. |
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* wizzyrea |
waves |
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mtompset |
Greetings, wizzyrea |
| 13:14 |
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* oleonard |
would have recognized that "waves" anywhere |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
| 13:15 |
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wizzyrea |
how is everyone this morning |
| 13:15 |
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* oleonard |
is sleepy |
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* wizzyrea |
goes to check out mtj's qa tools. |
| 13:16 |
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* wizzyrea |
has been frustrated by failing tests for a long time now |
| 13:16 |
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wizzyrea |
mostly because I won't sign off on anything if it fails tests. Knowing which tests are failing before the patch and if the patch introduces new ones semi-automatically will be a big help to me |
| 13:16 |
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wizzyrea |
mtj++ |
| 13:17 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: "Class::Accessor functionality appears to be fully-implemented," > Yes, you are right, but apparently, there is not many features :) From http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/p[…]d#Class::Accessor : "Even though it doesn't do much, it is still preferable to writing your own classes from scratch." And under the "Perl OO Systems" title there is an other sentence: "There's really no good reason to write your classes from scratch in |
| 13:18 |
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mtj |
wizzyrea: take a look at Joubu's qa-tools tweaks , too |
| 13:19 |
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wizzyrea |
mtj: go to bed :) |
| 13:19 |
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wizzyrea |
<3 |
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* mtj |
just about to :p |
| 13:19 |
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mtj |
oo |
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jcamins |
Joubu: right, but what feature from Moo makes it worth the additional overhead? |
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* jcamins |
is not writing off the possibility that there is, he just doesn't see it. |
| 13:22 |
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Joubu |
Apparently Class::Accessor does not support the isa attributes |
| 13:23 |
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jcamins |
isa attributes? |
| 13:23 |
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jcamins |
Oh, you mean types? |
| 13:23 |
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jcamins |
Moo doesn't have native support for types either. |
| 13:24 |
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Joubu |
mtompset: Koha::SearchEngine::Solr could be rewrite with Moo. Moose and Moo are compatibles. But Koha::SearchEngine::Solr use Data::SearchEngine::Solr which use Moose :-/ |
| 13:24 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: but I think Data::SearchEngine::Solr works with the version of Moose in Debian. |
| 13:25 |
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mtompset |
And if we are using Moose (due to Data::SearchEngine), it would make more sense to stick with it. |
| 13:26 |
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jcamins |
These are all wonderful reasons why Moo isn't worse than Class::Accessor, but I'm still waiting on a reason why it is better. |
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* jcamins |
is operating under the assumption that someone actually has a reason? |
| 13:27 |
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jcamins |
For example, how is Moose's extends superior to use base? |
| 13:29 |
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mtompset |
Actually, I just looked at the two bug reports on Class::Accessor. It seems that the one is a documentation tweak in the POD stuff, and the second is writing uglier, faster code. |
| 13:29 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: yes but isa is supported (not with the Moose types). It's easy to test setters and constructors. |
| 13:30 |
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* Joubu |
discover the Moo documentation ... |
| 13:30 |
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mtj |
interesting too... |
| 13:30 |
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mtj |
"Class::Accessor does a lot less than Moose, and is a nice alternative if you find Moose overwhelming. It's been around a long time and is well battle-tested. It also has a minimal Moose compatibility mode which makes moving from Class::Accessor to Moose easy." |
| 13:30 |
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mtj |
C::A has minimal Moose compatibility mode which makes moving from class::Accessor to Moose easy |
| 13:30 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: yeah, I the Moo documentation. |
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* jcamins |
needs the "Moo for managers" version. ;) |
| 13:31 |
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mtj |
so, the switch from one to other is quite possible - with some shared code , even |
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mtj |
i guess we should formally/officially have a +1 vote on this technical issue, really |
| 13:33 |
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jcamins |
mtj: that seems like a good way to get a lot of uninformed opinions. |
| 13:34 |
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jcamins |
If I can't figure out why Moo, chances are a lot of us developers don't really get what's better about it. |
| 13:34 |
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jcamins |
So far I've come up with "you don't have to write your own new() method- probably." |
| 13:35 |
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mtj |
both class:accessor and moose have been added into the koha codebase, without a plan to use one , or the other OO system |
| 13:35 |
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mtompset |
That's more of a reason against Moo. ;) |
| 13:35 |
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jcamins |
mtj: well, Moose isn't an option. |
| 13:35 |
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jcamins |
3.25 seconds to load a program that prints "Hi." |
| 13:36 |
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mtompset |
3.25 seconds for a "Hello World"?! |
| 13:36 |
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mtj |
touche jcamins :) |
| 13:36 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yup. |
| 13:36 |
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mtj |
ok, so moose really is out then :p |
| 13:37 |
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jcamins |
It doesn't even do anything with Moose. |
| 13:37 |
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mtompset |
Moose has to be used for Solr. |
| 13:37 |
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mtj |
so, c::a or moo/mouse, then |
| 13:37 |
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mtompset |
But I do think what we can take away from this conversation is that we should be looking at Moose compatible syntax. |
| 13:37 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: so we should make it so that no part of Koha is fast enough to use on commodity hardware? |
| 13:38 |
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mtj |
or simply... solr must use plack - ir it is tooo slow |
| 13:38 |
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mtompset |
Of course not! |
| 13:38 |
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koyauni |
sorry guys, thanks you for the tips and help |
| 13:38 |
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jcamins |
mtj: agreed. If you're using Solr, you have to be a Perl wizard anyway, so you should be able to get Plack set up. |
| 13:38 |
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mtompset |
That's where Class::Accessor comes in./ |
| 13:39 |
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Joubu |
Apparently we could include Mouse in the list of choices... which one supports the isa with types ( has 'x' => (is => 'rw', isa => 'Int'); ) |
| 13:39 |
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mtj |
moose without plack on naked-cgi, sounds horrible :/ |
| 13:39 |
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jcamins |
mtj: 3.25 seconds to load a file, then it has to be run. :/ |
| 13:39 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: I will run my benchmark with Mouse. |
| 13:39 |
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mtj |
holy cow thats slowwwww |
| 13:40 |
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mtompset |
Thankfully, a user expects a little slow in a search... a LITTLE slow... not a tonnes. |
| 13:40 |
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mtompset |
-s |
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mtj |
man, that is funny |
| 13:41 |
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jcamins |
Mouse: Profile of test.pl for 256ms, executing 1879 statements and 307 subroutine calls in 22 source files and 2 string evals. |
| 13:42 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: http://blog.jdpfu.com/2011/12/[…]nd-mo-for-oo-perl |
| 13:42 |
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mtj |
ok, heres what i wanna know - using plack, does moose run fast? |
| 13:42 |
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jcamins |
mtj: I would presume so. But we need to maintain suport for CGI, or support mod_perl. |
| 13:42 |
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jcamins |
Since we already support CGI, and don't support mod_perl, I think that's the way to go. |
| 13:42 |
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Joubu |
But it is an old benchmark |
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mtj |
jcamins: when plack is stable.. we can ditch cgi, yes? |
| 13:43 |
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jcamins |
mtj: no. |
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jcamins |
CGI and mod_perl are well-supported on commodity VPSes. |
| 13:44 |
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jcamins |
Plack? |
| 13:44 |
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wahanui |
Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. |
| 13:44 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that pretty much covers it. |
| 13:45 |
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mtj |
hmm, good point jcamins |
| 13:45 |
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jcamins |
It requires a stack of non-standard libraries, and a hand-tailored configuration file. |
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mtj |
very plack-ified code wont run on basic cgi? |
| 13:46 |
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mtj |
is there no way to fix moose's slow load, other than plack? |
| 13:46 |
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jcamins |
Not if it uses Moose. |
| 13:46 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, don't use it. |
| 13:46 |
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mtj |
ie: mod_perl even? |
| 13:46 |
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jcamins |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=7417#c23 |
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huginn |
Bug 7417: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
| 13:47 |
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jcamins |
mod_perl or CGI. |
| 13:47 |
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jcamins |
But we have never had Koha working with mod_perl. |
| 13:47 |
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jcamins |
So we either have to get Koha working with mod_perl, CGI, *and* Plack, then switch to Moose, or not use Moose for Koha's core. |
| 13:47 |
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mtj |
well, many other parts of koha are non-standard perl deps, too - not just plack or moose |
| 13:47 |
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jcamins |
At least, that's my analysis. |
| 13:47 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, but all other dependencies compile. |
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jcamins |
And if you are using Plack, you can't have any other virtual hosts on your server. |
| 13:48 |
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mtj |
debian stable has a moose.deb? and plack? |
| 13:48 |
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jcamins |
Or you have to set up a passthrough proxy. |
| 13:48 |
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mtj |
jcamins: no - thats incorrect! |
| 13:48 |
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jcamins |
Moose is too old, and some of the Plack packages we need are very grouchy. |
| 13:49 |
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mtj |
i have many plack vhosts |
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jcamins |
mtj: right, but they're all Plack, right? |
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mtj |
no way! |
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jcamins |
I mean, you can't mix a normal website (which uses Apache) with a Plack site. |
| 13:49 |
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jcamins |
You can only have one program listening on port 80. |
| 13:50 |
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jcamins |
You don't have nginx (or something) listening on port 80 and dispatching requests? |
| 13:50 |
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mtj |
i use a simple apache-proxy technique |
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drojf |
my plack listen on 5000, 5001. and my nonplack mediawiki worked |
| 13:50 |
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drojf |
i think |
| 13:50 |
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jcamins |
For the record, I have Plack and numerous other sites running on my server. |
| 13:51 |
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jcamins |
But Plack is listening on 5000/5001, and I use nginx to proxy that site. |
| 13:51 |
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Joubu |
yet another benchmark https://gist.github.com/2514726 |
| 13:51 |
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jcamins |
It works great. |
| 13:51 |
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drojf |
ah i think i misunderstood |
| 13:52 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: ooh, I like that benchmark, cool! |
| 13:52 |
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jcamins |
Looks like Moo and Mouse swap back and forth. |
| 13:53 |
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mtj |
wow, lets stay far away from moose? |
| 13:54 |
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mtompset |
-- except for the impending search changes to integrate Solr. ;) |
| 13:54 |
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jcamins |
Right. So the question returns to "do I rewrite 7417 to use Moo/Mouse?" |
| 13:54 |
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mtj |
is it possible to rewrite the moose code around solr to moo, or other ? |
| 13:55 |
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jcamins |
mtj: the Koha code could be rewritten to use Moo. |
| 13:55 |
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jcamins |
Data::SearchEngine::Solr could not be. |
| 13:55 |
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mtj |
data::SearchEngine::Solr has a big moose dep? |
| 13:56 |
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jcamins |
Well, it's a third-party library. |
| 13:57 |
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mtompset |
bug 7417 |
| 13:57 |
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wahanui |
i guess bug 7417 is a good one too |
| 13:57 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
| 13:57 |
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mtj |
aah ok :) |
| 13:58 |
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mtompset |
Modern::Perl forces strict and warnings? |
| 13:58 |
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jeff |
believe so, yes. |
| 13:59 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 13:59 |
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mtj |
theres a decent chance that D::Solr may run on moo.pm ? |
| 13:59 |
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jcamins |
mtj: I couldn't say. |
| 13:59 |
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mtompset |
Let's not go wasting time changing third party libraries that should work. |
| 13:59 |
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mtj |
after a little testing... i could ? :) |
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Joubu |
mtompset: yes equivalent to use strict;warnings;5.10 |
| 14:00 |
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mtj |
mtompset: for a 3.5 second speed bump? lets... :) |
| 14:00 |
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mtompset |
Consider against a plakified version. |
| 14:00 |
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mtompset |
That 3.5 seconds may not be such a big bump. |
| 14:01 |
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mtompset |
What's the difference between "return undef if ($@);" and "return if ($@);"? |
| 14:01 |
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Joubu |
I can try to replace Moose with Moo in Koha::SearchEngine::Solr before the end of this week if it is necessary |
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jcamins |
mtj: the former isn't allowed by PBP, the latter is. |
| 14:01 |
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Joubu |
mtompset: return undef does not pass perlcritic |
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mtj |
mtompset: dude, in computer-land - 3.5 seconds is a real longgg time |
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jcamins |
Joubu: if that is part of your plan, as a compromise I'll adopt Moo for 7417. :) |
| 14:02 |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
| 14:02 |
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jcamins |
Possible problem here... |
| 14:02 |
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jcamins |
plugins. |
| 14:02 |
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wahanui |
plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they? |
| 14:02 |
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mtompset |
mtj, I'm saying that if the code is plakified, the 3.25 seconds might not exist on the second search. |
| 14:02 |
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jcamins |
I guess I can't use Module::Pluggable. |
| 14:03 |
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jcamins |
Right. the 3.25 seconds are just to start up the server. |
| 14:03 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: I have no plan :) |
| 14:03 |
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mtompset |
Which means converting it to moo is overkill. |
| 14:03 |
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jcamins |
Can I use Module::Pluggable with Moo? |
| 14:04 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: except that we can get Moo to compile. So if you're not using Solr you can still run tests. |
| 14:04 |
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mtompset |
We can't get Moose to compile? |
| 14:05 |
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mtompset |
I guess I'm not seeing the problem. There's two conversation threads. mtj wants to Moo'ify the search engine third party library. |
| 14:06 |
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mtompset |
And something about plugins. |
| 14:06 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: As I said in our discussion yesterday, I don't want to impose any choice. I am open-minded :) |
| 14:07 |
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mtj |
mtompset: im suggesting it, as a performance tweak |
| 14:07 |
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mtj |
a one-line change, s/use Moose/use Moo/ |
| 14:08 |
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mtompset |
That I understood, mtj. |
| 14:08 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: I'm open-minded too... but if two open-minded people settle on Moo as an alternative to both Class::Accessor and Moose, that seems like the start of a movement. |
| 14:08 |
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jcamins |
The issue with plugins is that I use plugins heavily, and I'm not sure if Moo and Module::Pluggable play nicely together. |
| 14:08 |
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mtompset |
As long as the word Bowel doesn't come in there. ;) |
| 14:14 |
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mtompset |
I'm just saying that for something plakified, the 3.25 seconds once in the course of a server's uptime seems okay. |
| 14:15 |
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mtj |
mtompset: we do noy yet have a plack-safe Koha system |
| 14:15 |
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mtompset |
But that is the goal. |
| 14:15 |
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mtj |
until we get there... we have a veeery slow system |
| 14:15 |
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mtompset |
And if you Moo'ify now, you'll have to moo'ify it each time we update the Solr stuff. |
| 14:16 |
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mtompset |
Solr is optional now, so Moose isn't a problem. |
| 14:16 |
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mtj |
ha, fair point ..:) |
| 14:17 |
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jcamins |
Well, switching to Moose-like syntax on Class::Accessor was nice and painless. |
| 14:17 |
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* mtompset |
nods. |
| 14:17 |
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mtompset |
I liked that about the documentation. It looked pretty easy. |
| 14:17 |
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mtj |
one thing for sureis... we will get there in the end :) |
| 14:18 |
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mtompset |
but if you feel in a coding frenzy mood... go ahead and moo'ify it now. ;) |
| 14:18 |
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jcamins |
Switching to Moo is a bit more complicated. |
| 14:18 |
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mtj |
thanks... or you, too ... |
| 14:19 |
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mtompset |
No... I need to relocate a couple things before going to bed. |
| 14:20 |
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mtj |
my hunch is: moose is here for a while, with koha |
| 14:20 |
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mtj |
prolly a few other data::SearchEngine::Solrne::* modules us moose, too |
| 14:21 |
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mtj |
sorry, data::SearchEngine::Solrne::* modules |
| 14:21 |
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mtj |
oops, bad cut/paste :/ |
| 14:24 |
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mtompset |
Oh, if you haven't seen how bad it is in Manila: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19160604 |
| 14:25 |
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mtompset |
We have some flooding in the market. I'm praying it doesn't rain more. I don't want to get flooded out of the house. |
| 14:25 |
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mtj |
Data-SearchEngine looks to have a bunch of moose code too |
| 14:26 |
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jcamins |
mtj: yeah, I'd think. |
| 14:26 |
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mtj |
so, we'll just have to use plack type techniques to speed it up, while koha uses moose :/ |
| 14:27 |
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mtompset |
that would be the plan. |
| 14:27 |
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mtj |
... and when people complain about koha being too slow, say '"use plack" |
| 14:27 |
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mtompset |
no, tell them to use Zebra. ;) |
| 14:28 |
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* mtompset |
cackles evilly at the thought that Zebra will never go away. ;) |
| 14:28 |
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jcamins |
As RM Presumptive, I won't be accepting any Moose-using code for anything outside of the Solr tree. |
| 14:28 |
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mtj |
will new koha-3.10 zebra module use moose, too? |
| 14:28 |
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mtj |
jcamins: snap |
| 14:28 |
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jcamins |
mtj: there won't be a new module. |
| 14:29 |
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mtj |
hmm, ok.. |
| 14:29 |
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jcamins |
If the search rewrite I proposed gets funded, I will not use Moose for it, though. |
| 14:29 |
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jcamins |
I switched 7417 to Moose-like syntax. |
| 14:29 |
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jcamins |
If anyone wants to see what it looks like. |
| 14:30 |
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mtj |
right... new zebra code - yes , but no new zebra module |
| 14:30 |
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jcamins |
For 3.10? |
| 14:30 |
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jcamins |
I don't think there's going to be any new Zebra code. |
| 14:31 |
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jcamins |
Unless you're writing it? :) |
| 14:32 |
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mtj |
i swear i've recently seen some Koha*Zebra module? |
| 14:32 |
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mtj |
aah -> https://github.com/xercode/Dat[…]earchEngine-Zebra |
| 14:32 |
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jcamins |
Yes. It doesn't do anything. |
| 14:33 |
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mtj |
might be that.. :) |
| 14:33 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: How could you rewrite the SearchEngine layer without introducing new zebra code ? |
| 14:33 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: oh, there will be lots of new Zebra code for the search rewrite. |
| 14:34 |
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jcamins |
But that's not going to be funded before 3.10. |
| 14:34 |
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Joubu |
haaa ok :) |
| 14:34 |
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jcamins |
And I had understood that your focus was on the Solr code, since Zebra is working to the extent that it ever worked. ;) |
| 14:35 |
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eythian |
http://paste.koha-community.org/79 <-- mtj, I think this does pretty much the same as that processing_report thing |
| 14:35 |
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eythian |
now just to clean it up some |
| 14:35 |
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eythian |
annoying I have to use the subquery twice though |
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| 14:39 |
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jcamins |
Looks like in order to use Moo properly I'd have to add a lot more code. |
| 14:40 |
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* jcamins |
waves to tcohen. |
| 14:40 |
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eythian |
http://www.iloveubuntu.net/fog[…]u-software-center <-- hey, for people deploying Koha and setting it up in the library, this might be useful |
| 14:40 |
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eythian |
it lets you turn a website into an app (essentially) |
| 14:40 |
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wizzyrea |
chrome/chromium does this too - it's wicked. |
| 14:41 |
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* wizzyrea |
currently uses a version of portable firefox |
| 14:41 |
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wizzyrea |
but this would probably be better |
| 14:42 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: should be pretty easy to fix. |
| 14:42 |
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jcamins |
(bug 8520 on the authority autocomplete) |
| 14:42 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8520 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authorities display incorrectly in staff results |
| 14:43 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: do you mean like app tabs (which ffx does too) or something fancier? |
| 14:43 |
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mtompset |
someone wants to do sign offs? bug 8175 needs some love. :) |
| 14:43 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Check for something in materials field fails in catalogue/details.pl |
| 14:43 |
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eythian |
Ubuntu is also getting into integrating websites into the desktop, e.g. grooveshark showing up on the sound menu, and things like that. It's an interesting idea. I have the beta installed and it's still quirky, but a great idea. |
| 14:43 |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
| 14:43 |
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jcamins |
Ubuntu? |
| 14:43 |
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wahanui |
somebody said Ubuntu was installed. or getting into integrating websites into the desktop, e.g. grooveshark showing up on the sound menu, and things like that. It's an interesting idea. I have the beta installed and it's still quirky, but a great idea. |
| 14:43 |
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eythian |
... |
| 14:44 |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
| 14:44 |
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eythian |
thanks, wahanui. thahanui. |
| 14:44 |
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mtompset |
Well, Good night. |
| 14:44 |
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eythian |
later |
| 14:44 |
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* mtompset |
waves. |
| 14:45 |
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* wizzyrea |
likes ubuntu's ui. there. I said it. |
| 14:45 |
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wizzyrea |
I know lots of people hate it. |
| 14:45 |
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eythian |
I like it too |
| 14:45 |
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oleonard |
Disappearing menus and all, wizzyrea ? |
| 14:45 |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* |
| 14:45 |
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eythian |
oleonard: press 'alt', it's a new level of awesome :) |
| 14:45 |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
| 14:46 |
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oleonard |
Weird whack-a-mole scrollbar handles? |
| 14:46 |
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jcamins |
It doesn't work on small screens. |
| 14:46 |
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eythian |
oleonard: who uses a scrollbar? |
| 14:46 |
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wizzyrea |
who has a small screen? |
| 14:46 |
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eythian |
also, that's improved in 12.04, now they appear under your mouse |
| 14:46 |
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wizzyrea |
actually, I do - i have a 13in lappy |
| 14:46 |
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oleonard |
Nobody who has them enabled the Ubuntu way :P |
| 14:47 |
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eythian |
previously they were a waste of space, now they're not which is nice :) |
| 14:47 |
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wizzyrea |
i scroll with the mouse >.> |
| 14:47 |
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wizzyrea |
also, some OSX apps do the whole hide your scrollbar thing |
| 14:47 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm not so bothered. |
| 14:47 |
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* oleonard |
turns that off |
| 14:47 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: handy trick: bind the window zooming out thing to a spare mouse button |
| 14:48 |
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wizzyrea |
you have SPARE MOUSE BUTTONS? |
| 14:48 |
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* wizzyrea |
swoons |
| 14:48 |
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eythian |
yeah, this thing has a thumb button that I don't use for anything |
| 14:48 |
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eythian |
except for the zooming thing |
| 14:48 |
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wizzyrea |
i like the corners for that, a la osx |
| 14:48 |
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eythian |
you can enable that too |
| 14:48 |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* i did ;) |
| 14:48 |
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eythian |
but I prefer this as it's faster |
| 14:49 |
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wizzyrea |
did I mention that I like the euro-time eythian. |
| 14:49 |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
| 14:49 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 14:49 |
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wizzyrea |
it means I actually get to talk to you now and then :) |
| 14:50 |
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wizzyrea |
it's purely selfish :) |
| 14:52 |
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eythian |
I am a rare commodity. |
| 14:53 |
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eythian |
ohh current humble indie bundle thing has music |
| 14:54 |
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eythian |
amusingly, they still split out the averages by operating system, and Linux users are still the wealthiest/most generous. |
| 14:55 |
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eythian |
https://www.humblebundle.com/ <-- this being what I'm referring to |
| 14:56 |
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wizzyrea |
hmmm |
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eythian |
has anyone seen something, where if you have two date pickers in a report, you can't click on the calendar of the second one? |
| 15:13 |
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eythian |
(well, you can but nothing happens) |
| 15:14 |
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wizzyrea |
ooh, no. |
| 15:15 |
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wizzyrea |
you mean in the guided reports wizard? |
| 15:16 |
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eythian |
no, when you create SQL with e.g. WHERE (entrydate >= <<Start Date|date>> AND (datereceived < <<Last Date|date>> |
| 15:16 |
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wizzyrea |
k sec |
| 15:16 |
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eythian |
the "Last Date" popup doesn't pop up |
| 15:18 |
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oleonard |
In master eythian? |
| 15:18 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, it picks the date |
| 15:19 |
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eythian |
oleonard: no, 3.8 |
| 15:19 |
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wizzyrea |
for the first box instead of the second |
| 15:19 |
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* wizzyrea |
looked at master |
| 15:19 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: heh, different but similar :) |
| 15:19 |
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wizzyrea |
eythian: what browser are you using? |
| 15:19 |
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* wizzyrea |
is using chrome |
| 15:19 |
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wizzyrea |
er no |
| 15:19 |
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wizzyrea |
firefox |
| 15:19 |
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eythian |
firefox |
| 15:20 |
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wizzyrea |
k |
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| 15:23 |
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oleonard |
Great, so 3.8 and master are both broken but in different ways |
| 15:23 |
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* oleonard |
knows who to blame for it being broken in master |
| 15:24 |
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jcamins |
What doesn't work? |
| 15:24 |
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* wizzyrea |
will illustrate |
| 15:25 |
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wizzyrea |
(master) http://screencast.com/t/8qXxh3E7VFf |
| 15:26 |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
| 15:26 |
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jcamins |
Ouch. |
| 15:26 |
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eythian |
handling of failed SQL in reports sucks too. |
| 15:27 |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, the solution is "don't use the date picker" |
| 15:27 |
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wizzyrea |
I'd really love to see the actual error |
| 15:27 |
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wizzyrea |
in reports |
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maximep |
is this still up to date ? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Database_Files |
| 15:27 |
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maximep |
I think it's the first time I send a patch with a database change :S |
| 15:28 |
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eythian |
so the issue with the datepicker in 3.8 is that they all end up with the ID "date_" |
| 15:28 |
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eythian |
which is against the law. |
| 15:28 |
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jcamins |
maximep: no. |
| 15:29 |
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jcamins |
Well, it's close. |
| 15:29 |
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oleonard |
Isn't there a T:T variable for the number of the current row in a FOREACH? |
| 15:30 |
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jcamins |
maximep: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences <-- that's better. |
| 15:31 |
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jcamins |
If you are changing the database structure, you just put the SQL code in the $dbh->do instead of an INSERT. |
| 15:31 |
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jcamins |
And you have to update kohastructure.sql. |
| 15:31 |
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eythian |
http://paste.koha-community.org/80 <-- so this works in the mysql cli, but in koha it says "execute failed: Subquery returns more than 1 row" |
| 15:31 |
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eythian |
anyone know why? |
| 15:33 |
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wizzyrea |
you aren't using the parameters right? you're defining your dates explicitly? (just ruling that out) |
| 15:33 |
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maximep |
jcamins: thanks! |
| 15:33 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: there are no parameters, I removed them to be sure |
| 15:33 |
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wizzyrea |
k |
| 15:35 |
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eythian |
and if I copy-paste that into mysql, it's fine |
| 15:36 |
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wizzyrea |
well I don't have data in my db for that but it does come back with the select, it's not an error |
| 15:36 |
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wizzyrea |
and nothing in the log |
| 15:37 |
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eythian |
it probably wouldn't error in this way if there were no data |
| 15:37 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, unfortunately that's what I was afraid of |
| 15:37 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: I suppose you'll be leaving soon, but if you are still here, I'm looking at julian_m's script for bug 7419, and I'd like your QAer's opinion. |
| 15:37 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script |
| 15:38 |
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wizzyrea |
ohh when did we add the edit button to the results screen. |
| 15:38 |
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wizzyrea |
that is superfrackinhandy |
| 15:38 |
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eythian |
it is |
| 15:38 |
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eythian |
it's in 3.8 |
| 15:38 |
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wizzyrea |
it's probably been there forever and I just didn't notice it |
| 15:39 |
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* wizzyrea |
doesn't run 3.8 in production yet |
| 15:39 |
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eythian |
hmm, if I log the SQL, remove the apache stuff, I can paste it into mysql and it works. |
| 15:39 |
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wizzyrea |
i was scurred. |
| 15:39 |
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eythian |
We've just put the first few on it. |
| 15:39 |
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wizzyrea |
we do mostly fines and circ - problematic areas. :P |
| 15:41 |
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eythian |
ah yeah |
| 15:41 |
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eythian |
we put it on the ones that do less of that |
| 15:42 |
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wizzyrea |
oh yes, as much as I would like 20 libraries calling me complaining about double fines, I think I'll take a pass on that. |
| 15:43 |
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wizzyrea |
though I think that particular thing has been fixed. |
| 15:44 |
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oleonard |
Instead they can call and complain about not being able to log in to Overdrive |
| 15:44 |
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* wizzyrea |
doesn't use that either |
| 15:44 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 15:44 |
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wizzyrea |
but if I understand it, that was a pretty easy fix |
| 15:44 |
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wizzyrea |
or at least, a tolerable one |
| 15:44 |
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oleonard |
Yeah |
| 15:44 |
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eythian |
ahh |
| 15:44 |
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wizzyrea |
yay for fixing SIP to work with french selfchecks, but breaking it for Overdrive! |
| 15:45 |
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eythian |
koha adds "limit 0,1" to get the headers |
| 15:45 |
|
eythian |
that breaks the query somehow |
| 15:45 |
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oleonard |
Don't make us come over there, France! |
| 15:45 |
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wizzyrea |
oo |
| 15:45 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 15:45 |
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eythian |
oleonard: I'm already over here |
| 15:46 |
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* oleonard |
wonders why loop.count isn't working for him http://template-toolkit.org/do[…]html#section_loop |
| 15:47 |
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oleonard |
Oh wait it is, never mind. |
| 15:47 |
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eythian |
ohh |
| 15:47 |
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eythian |
koha removes the LIMIT from a subquery! |
| 15:47 |
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eythian |
bad koha, bad. |
| 15:48 |
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eythian |
$sql =~ s/\bLIMIT\b\s*(\d+)(\s*\,\s*(\d+))?\s*/ /ig; |
| 15:48 |
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eythian |
not good |
| 15:49 |
|
* jcamins |
thought of a reason to use Moo. |
| 15:50 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: humm... it's difficult for me. I don't know the zebra code :-/ There is a lot of factorisation. I don't see what he does exactly |
| 15:50 |
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jcamins |
Using Moo, we could be very sneaky and have $authority->marcrecord retrieve the MARC record from the database only when it is needed. |
| 15:50 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: the first patch just moves code from rebuild_zebra to C4::Search. |
| 15:50 |
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nengard |
anyone know what needs to be done to get a KohaCon13 page up on the website? Just talked to Nancy and she's gonna email out an invite to the first conference meeting soon but I figured we should get the site up and running so we can post stuff there too |
| 15:51 |
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jcamins |
THe second patch is the functionality. |
| 15:51 |
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jcamins |
My question, though, is about the first patch. |
| 15:51 |
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jcamins |
Would it pass QA (assuming it works)? |
| 15:51 |
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wizzyrea |
nengard: just make a page for it |
| 15:52 |
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nengard |
Okey Dokey |
| 15:52 |
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nengard |
:) |
| 15:52 |
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wizzyrea |
and we can give her a user to do stuff to it |
| 15:55 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: C4::Search is already huge and I think this patch has to take this in consideration. I see DeleteRecordIndex and IndexRecord. These routines should belong to a new "indexation module" |
| 15:55 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: that was my instinct, that the patch wouldn't pass QA. |
| 15:56 |
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jcamins |
So I need to think about how to make it pass QA rather than just writing a follow-up to add my additional features. |
| 15:56 |
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eythian |
jcamins: just rewrite search.pm. What could possibly go wrong? |
| 15:56 |
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jcamins |
eythian: I proposed doing that. |
| 15:57 |
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eythian |
while you're at it, Auth.pm needs some work. |
| 15:57 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 15:57 |
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eythian |
Oh, and Accounts.pm |
| 15:57 |
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eythian |
'preciate it :) |
| 15:57 |
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* eythian |
leaves now, expecting this to all be completed tomorrow |
| 16:01 |
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Joubu |
jcamins: I will try to discut with Julian (tomorrow?) about a new file. But where can we put it ? C4::Index (beurk) ? Koha::? In fact this code is for Koha::SearchEngine::Zebra::Index, but can we add this code now ? |
| 16:02 |
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jcamins |
I think it would require too much refactoring to put it in Koha:: now. |
| 16:02 |
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jcamins |
I think probably C4::Index is the best option, even though it's awful. |
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| 16:02 |
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jcamins |
Maybe C4::ZebraIndex, so it's clear what it does. |
| 16:03 |
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jcamins |
But until the authority code *and* biblio code has moved to Koha::, it will have a whole lot of dependencies. |
| 16:03 |
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jcamins |
And we want to make sure there aren't any circular dependencies in Koha::. |
| 16:04 |
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Joubu |
I'm ok for C4::ZebraIndex |
| 16:05 |
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wizzyrea |
pretty wicked: http://jasongriffey.net/librarybox/ |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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Joubu |
bye ! ++ |
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| 16:38 |
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nengard |
wizzyrea I created the page, but we might need some menu work on it ? http://koha-community.org/kohacon13/ |
| 16:38 |
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wizzyrea |
thanks I'll deal with it |
| 16:42 |
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nengard |
thank you! |
| 16:42 |
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nengard |
Pages are up on the wiki as well |
| 16:42 |
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nengard |
if anyone wants to volunteer or what not: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary |
| 16:42 |
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nengard |
there's not much there yet, but it will all grow |
| 16:44 |
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wizzyrea |
was there a kohacon11? |
| 16:44 |
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wizzyrea |
oh right india |
| 16:44 |
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wizzyrea |
der |
| 16:46 |
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* liw |
missed kohacon12 :( |
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* oleonard |
missed kohacon10, kohacon11, and kohacon12 :( |
| 16:48 |
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* oleonard |
is happy for a kohacon close to home |
| 16:48 |
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wizzyrea |
i missed 11 and 12 |
| 16:48 |
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oleonard |
...relatively speaking |
| 16:48 |
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wizzyrea |
may miss 13 |
| 16:49 |
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* jcamins |
missed 11 and 12 as well. |
| 16:49 |
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jcamins |
Wait, I had started using Koha by Kohacon10. |
| 16:49 |
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oleonard |
c'mon US folks, no excuses this time |
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* oleonard |
drags wizzyrea along |
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jcamins |
So I can count that one as missed, too. |
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wizzyrea |
someone have an idea for the blurb on this page |
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wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/kohacon/ |
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wizzyrea |
I'm not feeling very creative |
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oleonard |
<Marvin voice>Oh, Kohacon. It's another Kohacon.</Marvin voice> |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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maximep |
mveron: thanks for fixing my patch =) |
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mveron |
maximep: De rien :-) |
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maximep |
haha |
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cwts12 |
I have question on Notices and Slips. Does it mean we can send email for the books that were checked out. and how is it setup on the cronjob? |
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oleonard |
cwts12: Yes, you can have Koha send an email to the patron when they check things out |
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oleonard |
http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ools.html#notices |
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oleonard |
and ... |
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oleonard |
http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#noticescron |
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cwts12 |
Thanks, that was what I have done for overdue, advanced notice... but I did not see a cronjob for check out slip |
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oleonard |
The process_message_queue script sends all emails which have been queued by Koha, including item checkout notifications |
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cwts12 |
Right, I see fines.pl, advance_notices.pl, and overdue_notice.pl, but I do not see checkout_slip.pl. Or is there one for such? |
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oleonard |
cwts12: http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#noticescron |
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oleonard |
misc/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl |
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jwagner |
cwts12, checkout, checkin, and hold slips are generated automatically by the system -- no cron job needed to create them. The message queue cron is what actually sends out all emails. |
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cwts12 |
Is process_messages.pl same as process_message_queue.pl? |
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jwagner |
No. You want misc/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl |
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jcamins |
No. Only the first one exists. |
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jcamins |
process_messages.pl must be for a different program entirely. |
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jwagner |
Need some git help -- was trying to do a git pull on my master dev box, and it's telling me error: cannot open .git/FETCH_HEAD: Read-only file system |
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jwagner |
git pull has always worked fine before |
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jcamins |
jwagner: you are in the wrong directory? If you are one directory up from kohaclone, and it crossed to / looking for .git, you could end up with some funny error messages. |
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wizzyrea |
jwagner - maybe you are signed in as a user that doesn't own that repo? |
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wizzyrea |
i.e. file permissions |
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jwagner |
No, I'm in kohaclone, and logged in as my normal "owner" user ID |
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wizzyrea |
maybe you are root instead of jwagner (or vice versa) |
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jcamins |
And, just to confirm, you are able to edit files other than in the git repo? |
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jwagner |
jcamins, you seem to have hit it -- outside the kohaclone tree, I'm getting errors about opening the file for writing. |
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jwagner |
E303: Unable to open swap file for "test", recovery impossible |
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wizzyrea |
out of disk space? |
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jwagner |
Must be something wrong with the box itself, I'll ask the IT folks |
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wizzyrea |
df would tell you |
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jwagner |
No, df looks fine |
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jcamins |
Try restarting. |
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wizzyrea |
^^ this |
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jcamins |
I think the problem is that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell. |
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wizzyrea |
problem? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that problem is its human beings doing it |
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wizzyrea |
problem is also that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell |
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wahanui |
okay, wizzyrea. |
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wizzyrea |
problem? |
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wahanui |
well, problem is its human beings doing it or that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell |
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jwagner |
Rebooting was IT's first suggestion too. Let's see how it goes. |
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* wizzyrea |
giggles |
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jwagner |
Aaaaannnnndddd .... rebooting seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks everyone. |
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wizzyrea |
yay! |
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jwagner |
There are few problems that can't be solved with patience, ingenuity, and a large kick in the pants (assuming servers wear pants, that is). |
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wizzyrea |
@quote add jwagner: There are few problems that can't be solved with patience, ingenuity, and a large kick in the pants (assuming servers wear pants, that is). |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
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wizzyrea |
humbug. |
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wizzyrea |
@quote add jwagner: There are few problems that can't be solved with patience, ingenuity, and a large kick in the pants (assuming servers wear pants, that is). |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #213 added. |
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wizzyrea |
there we go. :) |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010) |
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jwagner |
Unfortunately I didn't wear my steel-toed boots today.... |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 12:23 PM, July 14, 2010) |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #72: "<nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client" (added by jdavidb at 12:28 PM, April 29, 2010) |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009) |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking me about the browser!!!! yes it's the #$%$#%$#ing IE was messing my cataloguing, oh I hate miscrosoft, the evil!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:00 PM, November 05, 2009) |
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maximep |
is it public knowledge that IE < 9 is a piece of shit and what we have to do to make it work ? |
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wizzyrea |
you mean debase every principle we hold dear? |
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wizzyrea |
(is what we have to do to make things work in ie < 9) |
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wizzyrea |
i always just figure that people who use IE < 9 just think the internet is really broken. |
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wizzyrea |
s/internet/www/ |
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jwagner |
Firefox is rapidly approaching that level too, sigh. |
| 18:32 |
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wizzyrea |
it's definitely reaching it's awkward adolescent phase. |
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wizzyrea |
chrome isn't much better though at the moment |
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wizzyrea |
hey cait |
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jcamins |
Bug 8589... not an easy one to lick. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8589 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Advanced Search for itemtype and location produces some results that are not useful |
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oleonard |
Comparing Firefox to IE is taking things a little too far |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
idk, i'm kind of mad at browsers in general |
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wizzyrea |
but you know, I do ask them to cope with like, 30x tabs open. |
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wizzyrea |
:P |
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* oleonard |
would rather put up with Firefox's infrequent crashes than IE's 24x7 awfulness |
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wizzyrea |
hm I suppose that's true |
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* oleonard |
hasn't had IE open long enough to know whether it crashes, not for a long time anyway |
| 19:17 |
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oleonard |
Bug 8588 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8588 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Duplicate field IDs cause problems with SQL report parameter entry |
| 19:18 |
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oleonard |
That patch should make multiple datepickers work in SQL report parameters |
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oleonard |
...among other label+id improvements |
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nengard |
was there a bug where the 'checked out from' column on the circ screen wasn't being populated? |
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* oleonard |
doesn't recall that, but no longer has the entire bug database in his memory banks |
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nengard |
okay i found a bug |
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nengard |
i'll report it |
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maximep |
looks like I asked a discussion question here and then forgot about it. heh. |
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maximep |
firefox with tabs groups is just great =) |
| 19:25 |
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maximep |
but still using Opera as my main. Yeah, Gentoo/Opera/KDE user. I'm weird. |
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rangi |
Morning |
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oleonard |
Hi rangi |
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cait |
morning rangi |
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oleonard |
How's the volcano today rangi? |
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rangi |
Steaming but quiet |
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wizzyrea |
mornin thar |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on August 08, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea |
chillyish |
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rangi |
Yeah wet |
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rangi |
And full bus |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder 66049 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 38.4°C (2:55 PM CDT on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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rangi |
Too hot! |
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wizzyrea |
very much too hot |
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wizzyrea |
cloudy even! |
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wizzyrea |
or at least, it looks cloudy, even though it says "clear" |
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wizzyrea |
LIES |
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* cait |
agrees on too hot |
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jcamins |
@wunder 11375 |
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huginn |
jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 26.7°C (3:32 PM EDT on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
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wizzyrea |
better there :) |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.8°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
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maximep |
@wunder cyqb |
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huginn |
maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is 24.8°C (4:03 PM EDT on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
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rangi |
anitsirk is in Germany now |
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maximep |
perfect day |
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cait |
rangi: hope she has a good time :) |
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rangi |
I'm sure she will |
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ala_3v0 |
Hi Koha# I have accidentally deleted koha-conf.xml file, is there any chance of retrieving it? |
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rangi |
Did you have a backup? |
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ala_3v0 |
no |
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ala_3v0 |
but I have the sql backup |
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wizzyrea |
packages or tarball install |
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ala_3v0 |
packages |
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wahanui |
hmmm... packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
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wizzyrea |
hm |
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jcamins |
Did you ever run koha-dump? |
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rangi |
So you deleted /etc/koha/sites/yourinstance/koha-conf.xml |
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rangi |
? |
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ala_3v0 |
yes |
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wizzyrea |
to which question :) |
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rangi |
Right |
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ala_3v0 |
did you ever run koha-dump |
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jcamins |
Excellent! |
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jcamins |
This makes it easy. |
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* wizzyrea |
presses the easy button |
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rangi |
Check /var/spool/koha/instancename |
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jcamins |
You should have a .tar.gz file... somewhere. |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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jcamins |
There. |
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rangi |
Backups put it there everyday |
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rangi |
If you are using packages |
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jcamins |
Oh, that's right. |
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wahanui |
I know. |
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jcamins |
I forgot that I didn't have to set that up myself. :) |
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rangi |
My stop |
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jcamins |
You can retrieve the koha-conf.xml from the latest .tar.gz. |
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jcamins |
What exactly where you trying to do, BTW? |
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ala_3v0 |
the folder in /var/spool/koha/instancename is empty |
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jcamins |
It's empty? |
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jcamins |
When did you set up the instance? |
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ala_3v0 |
yes |
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wizzyrea |
well /var/spool/koha/instancename |
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wizzyrea |
instancename is the name of your instance |
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wizzyrea |
for example |
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wizzyrea |
my instance name is "lecompton" |
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wizzyrea |
so my directory would be /var/spool/koha/lecompton |
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wizzyrea |
make sense? |
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* jcamins |
has to go out run some errands. |
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wizzyrea |
in fact, I would just see what's in /var/spool/koha |
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ala_3v0 |
yes my instance name is koha |
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wizzyrea |
so you can go to /var/spool/koha/koha |
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wizzyrea |
does that exist? |
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wizzyrea |
is there stuff there? |
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ala_3v0 |
empty |
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ala_3v0 |
The koha has been installed by someone |
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wizzyrea |
so it exists, but there is nothing there? |
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ala_3v0 |
yes |
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ala_3v0 |
do I have to do a new installation |
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rangi |
are you sure it was done with the packages? |
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rangi |
can you type |
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rangi |
apt-cache policy koha-common |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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ala_3v0 |
koha-common on debian squeeze 6 |
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rangi |
ls -l /var/spool/koha |
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rangi |
what you could do is |
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rangi |
sudo koha-create new_instance_name --create_db |
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rangi |
sudo koha-mysql new_instance_name < your_sql_backup |
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rangi |
or better |
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rangi |
koha-create new_instance_name |
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rangi |
then edit the koha-conf.xml to point to your existing db |
| 20:27 |
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rangi |
but, if it was done with the packages, you should have stuff in /var/spool/ unless it was only created today |
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rangi |
/var/spool/koha that is |
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rangi |
otherwise, your cron jobs arent running |
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jcamins |
What were you trying to do? |
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ala_3v0 |
there is /var/spool/koha/koha but it is empty |
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jcamins |
I suspect we are missing a crucial piece of information about your system. |
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ala_3v0 |
I was trying to rename the koha-conf.xml.save to koha-conf.xml using mv but accidentally I used rm |
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jcamins |
Okay, that doesn't explain why /var/spool/koha/koha was empty. |
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ala_3v0 |
yes, I did restored a sql file yesterday |
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ala_3v0 |
will that affect it |
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jcamins |
Shouldn't. |
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ala_3v0 |
is there any possibility to restore it to an earlier date |
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jcamins |
No, you deleted the file and someone disabled your backups. |
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ala_3v0 |
are you sure |
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jcamins |
Do you have an earlier copy of koha-conf.xml? |
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ala_3v0 |
no |
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jcamins |
There you go. |
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jcamins |
rangi's suggestion will work, if you used packages. |
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ala_3v0 |
But someone else also has access to the koha |
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jcamins |
Then ask that person if they have a backup. |
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jcamins |
No one here has access to your system. |
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jcamins |
Actually, let's go back a bit. You said that you had run koha-dump in the past. Where did you put the files it created? |
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ala_3v0 |
I used to dump them in my documents in the server before scp to my computer. |
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ala_3v0 |
it is mysqldump |
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jcamins |
Okay, in the .tar.gz files you'll find a koha-conf.xml file you could use. |
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jcamins |
No, mysqldump is a different program. |
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jcamins |
Did you run koha-dump. |
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jcamins |
*? |
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jcamins |
That is the name of a program. |
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ala_3v0 |
no |
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ala_3v0 |
not koha-dump |
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jcamins |
Okay, in that case you do not have a backup of koha-conf.xml anywhere, to the best of our knowledge. Use rangi's suggestion. |
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ala_3v0 |
thanks, I'll try that. |
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rangi |
izban12 |
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rangi |
hmm |
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rangi |
mouse button fail |
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* jcamins_away |
hopes that wasn't rangi's password. |
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rangi |
not for anything useful nope |
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new_koha_usr |
What to do with CONFIGURE.gmail? Thanks |
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rangi |
read it? I dunno, ive never used it sorry |
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jcamins |
I think you could probably also get Postfix to use gmail as a smarthost. |
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jcamins |
However, I've never tried. |
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jcamins |
And can't think why you'd want to, honestly. |
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jcamins |
I guess if you use those anti-spam TEXT records in your DNS. |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #127: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/127/ |
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jenkins_koha |
robin: Bug 8532 - improve robustness when converting dates |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8532 normal, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Old/iffy data causes error checking out |
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wajasu |
on a server someone setup v3.08.03 koha, and i am importing a biblio from a z39.50 server. upon save I see: Field 630 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Charset.pm line 142 |
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wajasu |
i set up the same server myself, and i don't get that error. |
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wajasu |
any ideas as what could be different on the other test server (which i dod not set up)? |
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wajasu |
the indicators are both 0 in the 630 field. |
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jcamins |
wajasu: it has something to do with the linker. |
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wajasu |
perl? |
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wahanui |
perl is probably different things to different people |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, the bug report I was given didn't give me any clues where the actual problem might be. |
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jcamins |
C4::Linker. :) |
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jcamins |
Not ld. |
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wajasu |
:) |
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wajasu |
I'll look there |
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jcamins |
If you disable AutoCreateAuthorities, that might fix it, but at the cost of not automatically creating authorities. |
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jcamins |
But this is installation-specific, because I have a half-dozen sites using the linker heavily and not running into this problem. |
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jcamins |
There's a bug somewhere... if you are able to figure out how to reproduce the problem, I'd like to know, and potentially fix it. |
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jcamins |
Bug 8552. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8552 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , BiblioAddsAuthorities set to Allow causes Software Error on Z3950 import |
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wajasu |
my test install is just a out of the box install, no data in it yet. let see of I change AutoCreateAuthorities if it breaks my test environment. |
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jcamins |
wajasu: I doubt it, 'cause I tested on master, 3.8.3, and 3.6.7. |
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jcamins |
Was the other one an upgrade from 3.0? |
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wajasu |
u r correct, changin it didn't break it on my test setup. the other setup was a 3.0 ish system is attempting to move to 3.8.3 |
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wajasu |
i'll load the database on my test server. to reproduce the error. |
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ala_3v0 |
Hi Koha# I have this error message when koha-remove: ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_koha'@'%' |
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ala_3v0 |
any help? |
