| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
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tcohen joined #koha |
| 00:06 |
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| 00:07 |
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tcohen |
hi #koha, where do I set SMTP server using .deb packages? |
| 00:12 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: you can use whichever smtp server you prefer. |
| 00:12 |
|
jcamins |
I prefer postfix. |
| 00:12 |
|
jcamins |
Strongly. |
| 00:12 |
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tcohen |
you mean install postfix locally and use it as a smart host? |
| 00:13 |
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jcamins |
Or you can use nullmailer with a smarthost. |
| 00:13 |
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tcohen |
right |
| 00:13 |
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jcamins |
Basically you set up SMTP however you would without the packages. |
| 00:13 |
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tcohen |
I prefer postfix too |
| 00:13 |
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jcamins |
It makes no difference at all. |
| 00:13 |
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jcamins |
(whether you're using packages or not) |
| 00:13 |
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tcohen |
as I need to authenticate |
| 00:13 |
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tcohen |
the SMTP conection to the smart host |
| 00:13 |
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* jcamins |
would use Postfix. |
| 00:14 |
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jcamins |
But I don't know much about SMTP servers. |
| 00:14 |
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jcamins |
Nor their configuration. |
| 00:14 |
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jcamins |
Actually, you know what I'd do? |
| 00:14 |
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jcamins |
I'd copy the configuration from your production server. |
| 00:14 |
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jcamins |
Clearly it works. :) |
| 00:14 |
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tcohen |
:-D |
| 00:15 |
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tcohen |
this is another client, for which I don't control the rest of the infrastructure |
| 00:15 |
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tcohen |
unfortunately |
| 00:15 |
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wahanui |
i heard unfortunately was is also 11:23pm on Friday where danmc is too ;) |
| 00:15 |
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jcamins |
forget unfortunately |
| 00:15 |
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wahanui |
jcamins: I forgot unfortunately |
| 00:15 |
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tcohen |
google: postfix transport authenticate |
| 00:16 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: you're still in your IRC window. |
| 00:16 |
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jcamins |
:) |
| 00:16 |
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tcohen |
yeah, noticed :-D |
| 00:19 |
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Brooke joined #koha |
| 00:19 |
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Brooke |
o/ |
| 00:20 |
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jcamins |
o/ |
| 00:21 |
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| 00:23 |
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tcohen |
jcamins: one more question |
| 00:23 |
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jcamins |
Yes? |
| 00:23 |
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tcohen |
cronjobs and .debs |
| 00:24 |
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tcohen |
what is solved by the daemon and what is not |
| 00:24 |
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tcohen |
emails? |
| 00:24 |
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wahanui |
emails are getting annoying :) |
| 00:24 |
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jcamins |
I don't understand what you mean. |
| 00:24 |
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jcamins |
E-mail works exactly the same as on a non-package install. |
| 00:25 |
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rangi |
heya Brooke and tcohen |
| 00:25 |
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tcohen |
on a standard-for-me setup after installing I should set the cornjobs for it |
| 00:25 |
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tcohen |
is it the same? |
| 00:25 |
|
tcohen |
for .deb? |
| 00:26 |
|
Brooke |
kia ora rangi |
| 00:26 |
|
Brooke |
i pehea to ra? |
| 00:26 |
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tcohen |
hi rangi |
| 00:26 |
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rangi |
ahua pai, engari kei te ngenge ahau |
| 00:26 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: the packages set up the cron jobs. |
| 00:26 |
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jcamins |
You just set up the system. |
| 00:26 |
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tcohen |
that's what I was asing, thanks! |
| 00:27 |
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tcohen |
hmm |
| 00:27 |
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jcamins |
Ah, good. |
| 00:27 |
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jcamins |
Glad I could help. :) |
| 00:27 |
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tcohen |
the incremental rebuild and the process_message_queue.pl |
| 00:28 |
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tcohen |
any other cronjob I need i'll set it by hand |
| 00:28 |
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tcohen |
thanks!!! |
| 00:28 |
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tcohen |
rangi: I finally did some ETL and got that broken 3.1.X to upgrade to 3.8.3 |
| 00:28 |
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rangi |
look in cron.d cron.hourly and crond.daily |
| 00:29 |
|
tcohen |
and thanks to jcamins, using package |
| 00:29 |
|
rangi |
there are koha-common cron jobs in each of them |
| 00:29 |
|
rangi |
make sure you dont duplicate :) |
| 00:29 |
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rangi |
tcohen: excellent! |
| 00:30 |
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tcohen |
i'm really happy right now |
| 00:31 |
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tcohen |
gonna get a pizza and watch some old South Park episodes |
| 00:31 |
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tcohen |
bye #koha! |
| 00:31 |
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| 00:31 |
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Brooke |
see ya |
| 00:32 |
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* jcamins |
goes to eat some dinner. |
| 01:33 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #103 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:50 |
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chris_n |
what a ride :P |
| 01:50 |
|
rangi |
? |
| 01:51 |
|
chris_n |
bouncing dsl circuit due to severe storms |
| 01:53 |
|
rangi |
ahh |
| 02:01 |
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mtj |
any thoughts on this thing? -> http://search.cpan.org/~wonko/[…]51/lib/Smolder.pm |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
we used to run that |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
its a nightmare to set up run |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
and does less than jenkins |
| 02:03 |
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rangi |
the remnants of the code is in t |
| 02:03 |
|
rangi |
smolder_smoke_signal |
| 02:03 |
|
rangi |
etc |
| 02:04 |
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mtj |
ah, ok - i thought it was familar, and superseded |
| 02:05 |
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rangi |
its a cool idea, but really hard to set up |
| 02:06 |
|
* chris_n |
had a hdd smoldering and sending smoke signals yesterday |
| 02:06 |
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chris_n |
does that count? |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
hehe |
| 02:12 |
|
chris_n |
seems that koha-remove should not die if any of the removal commands fail |
| 02:13 |
|
rangi |
what version are you using, it has become a lot more robust in later versions |
| 02:13 |
|
rangi |
but yep, should be a bug report if it dies when it shouldnt |
| 02:13 |
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chris_n |
the latest |
| 02:13 |
|
wahanui |
i guess the latest is 3.6.4 |
| 02:13 |
|
chris_n |
no |
| 02:13 |
|
rangi |
3.8.3 ? |
| 02:14 |
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chris_n |
yup |
| 02:14 |
|
rangi |
there may be some still waiting signoff/qa |
| 02:14 |
|
chris_n |
I created an instance w/the wrong name |
| 02:14 |
|
chris_n |
dropped the db manually |
| 02:14 |
|
rangi |
ah |
| 02:14 |
|
chris_n |
and then ran koha-remove foo |
| 02:14 |
|
rangi |
hmm yeah that might kill it |
| 02:14 |
|
chris_n |
and it bails on finding the db non-existent |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
thats a tricky one |
| 02:15 |
|
chris_n |
it should probably trap the error, notify the user, and keep going |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
or not |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
if you typoed |
| 02:15 |
|
chris_n |
or perhaps give options |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
--force |
| 02:15 |
|
chris_n |
as it is, the cleanup has to be done manually |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
for just continue on |
| 02:15 |
|
chris_n |
+1 |
| 02:16 |
|
rangi |
you might want to file an enhancement request |
| 02:17 |
|
rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6416 or add to this? |
| 02:18 |
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* jcamins_away |
likes the idea of --force |
| 02:18 |
|
rangi |
yeah you could do the debian thing too |
| 02:18 |
|
rangi |
of |
| 02:19 |
|
rangi |
are you sure |
| 02:19 |
|
rangi |
if someone does --force |
| 02:19 |
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chris_n |
cool... bug 8500 |
| 02:19 |
|
rangi |
excellent :) |
| 02:19 |
|
chris_n |
hmm where's munin? |
| 02:19 |
|
wahanui |
i think munin is power mad |
| 02:19 |
|
rangi |
he and gmcharlt eloped |
| 02:19 |
|
chris_n |
lol |
| 02:20 |
|
chris_n |
ouch |
| 02:20 |
|
chris_n |
Access denied for user 'koha_biblios'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758. |
| 02:20 |
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| 02:20 |
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* chris_n |
fixes it |
| 02:24 |
|
chris_n |
hmm... the package seems to have done "GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'koha_biblios'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD MD5-HASH" |
| 02:24 |
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chris_n |
% does not seem to work as a wild card |
| 02:25 |
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| 02:25 |
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jcamins_away |
You're on 12.04? |
| 02:25 |
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jcamins_away |
(Ubuntu) |
| 02:25 |
|
jcamins_away |
There's a patch for that. |
| 02:25 |
|
chris_n |
fixed |
| 02:25 |
|
chris_n |
well |
| 02:26 |
|
chris_n |
by switching to @'localhost' |
| 02:28 |
|
chris_n |
missing deps as well? |
| 02:29 |
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jcamins_away |
For 3.6.x? |
| 02:29 |
|
jcamins_away |
Shouldn't be. |
| 02:29 |
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jcamins_away |
If there's anything missing, just add the debian.koha-community.org repo to your sources.list |
| 02:29 |
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chris_n |
3.8.3 |
| 02:29 |
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jcamins_away |
Ah. |
| 02:29 |
|
jcamins_away |
Yes. |
| 02:29 |
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chris_n |
Lingua::Ispell |
| 02:30 |
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chris_n |
its in the repo |
| 02:30 |
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jcamins_away |
We use Ispell? |
| 02:30 |
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jcamins_away |
Ugh. |
| 02:32 |
|
chris_n |
well |
| 02:32 |
|
chris_n |
webinstaller wants me to upgrade from 3.08.01 to 3.09.00.004 |
| 02:32 |
|
rangi |
thats not right |
| 02:33 |
|
jcamins_away |
No, not right at all. |
| 02:33 |
|
rangi |
you used squeeze not squeeze-dev eh? |
| 02:33 |
|
rangi |
can you do apt-cache policy koha-common |
| 02:33 |
|
chris_n |
squeeze main |
| 02:34 |
|
* rangi |
checks |
| 02:34 |
|
chris_n |
opps |
| 02:34 |
|
chris_n |
my bad |
| 02:34 |
|
* chris_n |
bangs his head on the desk |
| 02:34 |
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rangi |
i heh |
| 02:34 |
|
chris_n |
well, maybe I'll do it over again for kicks |
| 02:35 |
|
chris_n |
nothing like practice to help work out the kinks |
| 02:36 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #103: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/103/ |
| 02:36 |
|
jenkins_koha |
fridolyn.somers: Bug 8476: Little bug in OPAC XSLT on OPACURLOpenInNewWindow |
| 02:36 |
|
chris_n |
and the pay is the same if I take on hour or ten ;-) |
| 02:36 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #104 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:49 |
|
chris_n |
its alive! |
| 02:50 |
|
rangi |
yay! |
| 02:51 |
|
chris_n |
koha-remove seemed to behave better this time as well |
| 02:52 |
|
rangi |
the package in master is older than in squeeze |
| 02:52 |
|
chris_n |
it borked because that instance user was "logged in" |
| 02:52 |
|
chris_n |
but after killing that instance's zebra things went ok |
| 02:52 |
|
rangi |
004 is a while back |
| 02:52 |
|
rangi |
koha-disable instance |
| 02:52 |
|
rangi |
will stop those zebras :) |
| 02:53 |
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chris_n |
so why all the complaint about running it on ubuntu precise? |
| 02:53 |
|
chris_n |
:) |
| 02:53 |
|
rangi |
mysql on precise is different |
| 02:53 |
|
chris_n |
uh oh |
| 02:53 |
|
rangi |
and has anonymous users |
| 02:53 |
|
rangi |
so had to change how it created users |
| 02:54 |
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chris_n |
ahh... that was why I had the issue earlier w/the mysql user |
| 02:54 |
|
rangi |
yup |
| 02:54 |
|
rangi |
the packages for 3.8.3 and 3.6.7 deal with that |
| 02:54 |
|
rangi |
the older one from master, doesnt |
| 02:55 |
|
chris_n |
so where are the cron jobs setup? |
| 02:55 |
|
rangi |
in etc/cron.d |
| 02:55 |
|
rangi |
cron.hourly |
| 02:56 |
|
rangi |
and cron.daily |
| 02:56 |
|
rangi |
should be a koha-common file in each of those |
| 02:57 |
|
rangi |
you need to remember to do |
| 02:57 |
|
rangi |
koha-email-enable instancename .. when you want it to start sending mail |
| 02:59 |
|
chris_n |
k |
| 03:00 |
|
rangi |
its very hand to be able to enable and disable mail for an instance |
| 03:00 |
|
rangi |
means you can have a staging instance that wont accidentally email overdue notices at people |
| 03:01 |
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chris_n |
so to remove an instance the order is 'koha-disable foo' then 'koha-remove foo'? |
| 03:02 |
|
rangi |
its the safest |
| 03:13 |
|
mtj |
rangi: sweet lotr quotage in that email too |
| 03:14 |
|
rangi |
heh thanks |
| 03:14 |
|
mtj |
i'll gonna apply my powerful css skillz, and have a hoon on it |
| 03:15 |
|
rangi |
yay! |
| 03:16 |
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| 03:17 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:31 |
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* chris_n |
hits the hay |
| 03:32 |
|
rangi |
sleep well chris_n |
| 03:38 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, rangi. I don't understand why Paul was having issues with Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 03:38 |
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dcook |
Nothing like testing a bug fix on the instance that you've already patched *facepalm* |
| 03:39 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #104: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/104/ |
| 03:39 |
|
jenkins_koha |
dpavlin: Bug 8439 - Printing basketgroup does not work on plack |
| 03:39 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #105 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 03:56 |
|
mtj |
the best way to avoid issues with ubuntu prod servers - is to use debian |
| 03:57 |
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* mtompset |
grins. |
| 03:57 |
|
rangi |
hehe |
| 03:57 |
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mtompset |
That's one way. |
| 03:57 |
|
rangi |
3.8.3 and 3.6.7 work well now |
| 03:57 |
|
mtompset |
3.8.3 needs to the external repo, but yes, it works well. |
| 03:58 |
|
mtj |
...since applying said methodology, my problems with ubuntu servers has dropped dramatically |
| 03:58 |
|
rangi |
heh |
| 04:00 |
|
rangi |
mtompset: ubuntu is slow on packaging, they let debian do 99% of it then take it, so once we put the packages into debian unstable (which we have done for a few in the past, (which is how they got into ubuntu 12.04)) they will get into ubuntu |
| 04:00 |
|
mtj |
but yeah, theres some truth to it - ubuntu is basically debian 'testing' |
| 04:00 |
|
rangi |
yup |
| 04:01 |
|
mtj |
why would any sane person use the debain's 'testing' packages, for production |
| 04:01 |
|
mtj |
...when they could choose to you debian's stable packages? |
| 04:02 |
|
mtj |
s/you/use/ |
| 04:04 |
|
mtj |
or does ubuntu == debian 'unstable' even? |
| 04:09 |
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mtompset |
Actually, your argument fails for koha related dependencies. ;) |
| 04:09 |
|
rangi |
how so? |
| 04:09 |
|
mtompset |
If you put what you believe is stable for debian into debian unstable, then ubuntu picks it up... |
| 04:10 |
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mtompset |
Are those libraries any less stable under Ubuntu than Debian? |
| 04:10 |
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rangi |
no we put what is unstbale into unstable, the debian developers put it into testing, then into stable |
| 04:10 |
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mtompset |
I can't comment on the rest of the libraries, but for Koha, I would assume that means stability still. |
| 04:11 |
|
mtompset |
Ah. |
| 04:11 |
|
mtompset |
So koha is using unstable libraries to start with? |
| 04:11 |
|
rangi |
everything goes into unstable first |
| 04:11 |
|
rangi |
unstable debian packages |
| 04:12 |
|
rangi |
ie newly packaged, not tested by all the debian devs, tested by perl users and cpan users yes |
| 04:12 |
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mtompset |
The location of the library isn't going to change the stability of it. |
| 04:13 |
|
mtompset |
That's my point. |
| 04:13 |
|
mtompset |
And I believe Koha tests the libraries it uses. |
| 04:13 |
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mtj |
mtompset, my debian koha is using deb-stable packages - your ubuntu koha is using debian *testing* packages |
| 04:13 |
|
rangi |
yes it is |
| 04:14 |
|
rangi |
look at it this way |
| 04:14 |
|
mtj |
get it? |
| 04:14 |
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mtompset |
but the debian stable and the debian testing aren't different, unless there were patches. |
| 04:14 |
|
rangi |
something in debian stable, is under the care of cpan developers, the debian developers and the debian security team |
| 04:15 |
|
rangi |
stuff in the multiverse/universe (which is where they live in ubuntu) |
| 04:15 |
|
rangi |
not so much, hopefully they keep up to date with debian, but they arent in ubuntu core |
| 04:15 |
|
rangi |
this a major difference that people dont seem to understand between ubuntu and debian |
| 04:16 |
|
rangi |
stuff in the universe, is not ubuntu supported |
| 04:16 |
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mtj |
mtompset: the packages *are* different between stable, testing and unstable |
| 04:17 |
|
mtj |
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mysql-server |
| 04:17 |
|
mtj |
http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mysql-server |
| 04:17 |
|
mtj |
see...? |
| 04:17 |
|
mtj |
Package: mysql-server (5.1.63-0+squeeze1) [security] |
| 04:17 |
|
mtj |
Package: mysql-server (5.5.24+dfsg-4) |
| 04:18 |
|
mtompset |
squeeze and wheezy are the same debian distribution? |
| 04:18 |
|
rangi |
squeeze is stable |
| 04:18 |
|
rangi |
wheezy is testing |
| 04:18 |
|
rangi |
will be the next stable |
| 04:18 |
|
rangi |
unstable is sid |
| 04:18 |
|
rangi |
it's always sid |
| 04:18 |
|
mtj |
aaah, i understand now...! |
| 04:19 |
|
rangi |
there's experimental too |
| 04:19 |
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mtompset |
let's not go experimental. ;) |
| 04:20 |
|
mtompset |
So is wheezy testing forward or backward? |
| 04:20 |
|
mtj |
mtompset: so knowing what you know now.... my argument does not fail for koha related dependencies ;) |
| 04:22 |
|
mtompset |
depends... is wheezy testing forward or backwards? |
| 04:22 |
|
mtompset |
is wheezy like 3.9.X? |
| 04:22 |
|
rangi |
yes |
| 04:22 |
|
mtompset |
and squeeze like 3.8.X? |
| 04:22 |
|
rangi |
yes |
| 04:22 |
|
rangi |
squeeze is stable |
| 04:22 |
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| 04:23 |
|
rangi |
wheezy is frozen now |
| 04:23 |
|
mtompset |
So, then it is testing FORWARD. |
| 04:23 |
|
mtompset |
Which means Ubuntu is leading bleeding edge. |
| 04:23 |
|
rangi |
yes but that has no bearing on anything |
| 04:23 |
|
rangi |
yes |
| 04:23 |
|
rangi |
thats the whole point of ubuntu |
| 04:24 |
|
rangi |
to change faster than debian |
| 04:24 |
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mtompset |
Okay, I can see some validity to the argument then. |
| 04:24 |
|
rangi |
but thats not my point |
| 04:24 |
|
rangi |
and not why i dont use it |
| 04:24 |
|
rangi |
i dont use it because i dont have time to track the packages in universe myself |
| 04:25 |
|
rangi |
im happy knowing the debian security team are doing it for me |
| 04:25 |
|
mtompset |
Right. |
| 04:25 |
|
mtj |
mtompset: chris is giving you some very wise advice here... listen up |
| 04:26 |
|
rangi |
not nessecarily wise, just im lazy, life is too short to have to read all the security stuff myself, altho i do follow the debian security list |
| 04:27 |
|
rangi |
however |
| 04:27 |
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mtompset |
Well, it does help explain why Koha is Debianist. |
| 04:27 |
|
rangi |
even stuff from ubuntu universe |
| 04:27 |
|
rangi |
is a zillion times better than doing a |
| 04:27 |
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rangi |
install from tar, or from cpan without doing dh-make-perl |
| 04:28 |
|
rangi |
because those installs will never get updated unless you manually do them all |
| 04:29 |
|
* mtompset |
nods. |
| 04:29 |
|
ibeardslee |
The critical part is the notification that there is an update needed |
| 04:29 |
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mtompset |
dh-make-perl? |
| 04:29 |
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wahanui |
somebody said dh-make-perl was another thing to install, I think. |
| 04:30 |
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rangi |
dh-make-perl is a cool tool (from debian) that will create a debian package (works with ubuntu or mint or any of the .deb base distro too) that makes a debian package of perl module |
| 04:31 |
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rangi |
thats how eythian (and liw) packaged the modules from cpan, to start them on their journey to getting into debian proper |
| 04:31 |
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rangi |
at least if you do that, and it ends up in a repo, it will upgrade |
| 04:31 |
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rangi |
if you install from tar |
| 04:31 |
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rangi |
then later it is in the repo |
| 04:31 |
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rangi |
and you apt-get it on |
| 04:32 |
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rangi |
the old one from tar will still take precedence |
| 04:32 |
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rangi |
more annoyingly if the perl version changes |
| 04:32 |
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mtompset |
and there's no easy way to uninstall them. |
| 04:32 |
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rangi |
they dont upgrade too |
| 04:32 |
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rangi |
basically packages rule is the short end of this rant hehe |
| 04:33 |
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mtompset |
because you can't install the apt-get version. |
| 04:33 |
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rangi |
hm? |
| 04:33 |
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rangi |
you can install, its just its going to be further down the inc path |
| 04:33 |
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rangi |
the one in /usr/local/perl that tarball did will win |
| 04:33 |
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mtompset |
oh... |
| 04:34 |
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mtompset |
okay. |
| 04:34 |
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mtj |
...from the horses mouth |
| 04:38 |
|
* cait |
waves |
| 04:40 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #105: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/105/ |
| 04:40 |
|
jenkins_koha |
* kyle.m.hall: Bug 3701 : BugFix - ReturnToShelvingCart |
| 04:40 |
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jenkins_koha |
* dcook: Bug 8448 - Holds Awaiting Pickup : Cancelling a hold on a waiting item with multiple holds displays a blank screen instead of a warning prompt |
| 04:40 |
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jenkins_koha |
* dcook: Bug 8414 - Intranet header toplinks display white rather than blue in < IE8 |
| 04:40 |
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jenkins_koha |
* fridolyn.somers: Bug 8440: Dates do not appear in suggestions management |
| 04:41 |
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dcook |
Yay! |
| 04:43 |
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rangi |
http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/? |
| 04:43 |
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mtompset |
What's the cigame? |
| 04:44 |
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mtompset |
cigame? |
| 04:44 |
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rangi |
continuous integration game |
| 04:45 |
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mtompset |
integration? |
| 04:45 |
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rangi |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]nuous_integration |
| 04:45 |
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mtj |
continuous? |
| 04:47 |
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rangi |
http://jenkins.koha-community.org/ we test all the branches of the repo everytime they change |
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dcook |
Cool beans |
| 04:52 |
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rangi |
+1 for a succesful build |
| 04:52 |
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rangi |
+1 for every new test, or a test thag goes from fail to passing |
| 04:52 |
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muzu |
hi |
| 04:52 |
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rangi |
-1 for a failing test |
| 04:52 |
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rangi |
-10 for breaking the build |
| 04:53 |
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rangi |
is how it works :) |
| 04:53 |
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rangi |
write some unit tests, win a prize |
| 04:53 |
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rangi |
(the prize is just me sending you an email probably) |
| 04:53 |
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mtompset |
sample unit tests? |
| 04:53 |
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muzu |
I want to upgrade my koha 3.2 to 3.8.any tutorial for this. |
| 04:53 |
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rangi |
look in t/ mtompset |
| 04:54 |
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rangi |
t/Boolean.t |
| 04:54 |
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rangi |
is a simple one to understand |
| 04:54 |
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rangi |
http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ter/HTML_Report/? <-- here you can see where we need better coverage |
| 04:55 |
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rangi |
Boolean has 100% tho .. yay !! |
| 04:55 |
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rangi |
http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]4-Boolean-pm.html |
| 04:55 |
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mtompset |
Actually... one confusion point./ |
| 04:55 |
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cait |
what is Boolean used for? |
| 04:56 |
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mtompset |
what is use Test::More tests => 13; |
| 04:56 |
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mtompset |
Why 13? |
| 04:56 |
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rangi |
thats how many tests you plan to run |
| 04:56 |
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rangi |
man Test::More |
| 04:56 |
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muzu |
any help for upgrade. |
| 04:56 |
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mtompset |
is use_ok() the first test? |
| 04:57 |
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rangi |
mtompset: yes |
| 04:57 |
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rangi |
mtompset: http://search.cpan.org/~mschwe[…]/lib/Test/More.pm |
| 04:58 |
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mtompset |
I knew how to find that, rangi. ;) |
| 04:58 |
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rangi |
just was wondering why you hadn't :P |
| 04:58 |
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mtompset |
Because I thought the 13 was a typo. |
| 04:58 |
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rangi |
muzu: there isn't one for 3.2 to 3.8 that i know of |
| 04:59 |
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mtompset |
But could he upgrade from 3.2 to .... 3.4 and then 3.8? |
| 04:59 |
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muzu |
ok,tell me for that |
| 05:00 |
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rangi |
i would do a 3.8.3 install from the debian packages on a new server, load the database in, run koha-upgrade-schema, then run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 to fix the items in marc |
| 05:00 |
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rangi |
then koha-rebuild-zebra -f |
| 05:00 |
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rangi |
that's what I would do anyway |
| 05:01 |
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rangi |
right bus time |
| 05:01 |
|
rangi |
be back later maybe |
| 05:01 |
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muzu |
i am running in ubuntu machine. |
| 05:01 |
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dcook |
ta ta rangi |
| 05:01 |
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mtompset |
See you, rangi |
| 05:02 |
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mtompset |
do you have to be on Ubuntu? |
| 05:02 |
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mtompset |
Oh, your 3.2 is Ubuntu. |
| 05:03 |
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muzu |
ya |
| 05:03 |
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mtompset |
can you get down time? and do you have a full backup? :) |
| 05:03 |
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muzu |
ya i have. |
| 05:04 |
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mtompset |
so if you format'd the drive, you could have your machine restored easily? |
| 05:04 |
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mtompset |
(I'm not saying to do that!) |
| 05:05 |
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muzu |
ya. |
| 05:05 |
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muzu |
i can restore. |
| 05:05 |
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mtompset |
okay, since you have an external backup. |
| 05:06 |
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muzu |
ya |
| 05:06 |
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mtompset |
Why not do a mysqldump of your current 3.2 database, copy it externally, and then redo the machine as debian, following Rangi's suggestion? |
| 05:07 |
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mtompset |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 05:08 |
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mtompset |
If it fails miserably, restore from backup, and no data lost. |
| 05:09 |
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mtompset |
This all depends on you having a good backup! |
| 05:09 |
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muzu |
i have done it.while restore data in 3.8 its gives some error.some privacy error and even its gives error while checkin and checkout. |
| 05:10 |
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mtompset |
Are you running Ubuntu still? |
| 05:10 |
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muzu |
no in debain. |
| 05:11 |
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mtompset |
No... did you run the scripts that Rangi mentioned in the way he suggested?\ |
| 05:11 |
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mtompset |
Oops... Now... |
| 05:11 |
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muzu |
can you tell me script. |
| 05:11 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that script is here, take it, pretty it up, use it ;) |
| 05:12 |
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mtompset |
rangi said: i would do a 3.8.3 install from the debian packages on a new server, load the database in, run koha-upgrade-schema, then run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 to fix the items in marc |
| 05:12 |
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mtompset |
So you said you were running debian. |
| 05:12 |
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mtompset |
did you install 3.8.3 packages? |
| 05:16 |
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muzu |
first i have tried in debian system.But its gives error which i have mentioned.now i have freshly installed 3.8.3 in ubuntu and i have restored database.is there any thing i have to do after this. |
| 05:17 |
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mtompset |
because you didn't run the scripts rangi mentioned. |
| 05:17 |
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mtompset |
Anyways, I have some work to get back to. Sorry that I can't help you more. |
| 05:18 |
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muzu |
no,can you tell me the script please. |
| 05:19 |
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muzu |
ok,thanks for your help |
| 05:20 |
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mtompset |
koha-upgrade-schema.pl |
| 05:20 |
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mtompset |
koha-upgrade-to-3.4.pl |
| 05:21 |
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mtompset |
they are debian-based scripts |
| 05:21 |
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muzu |
ok let me try in debian. |
| 05:21 |
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mtompset |
if you didn't install on debian in the way suggested by http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 05:21 |
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mtompset |
then you will have figure out how they work to do it under Ubuntu. |
| 05:25 |
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mtompset |
Oops.. no .pl |
| 05:25 |
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mtompset |
.../debian/scripts/... |
| 05:26 |
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rangi |
They only work if you installed using the packages doesn't matter if it was on debian or ubuntu |
| 05:26 |
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mtompset |
the thing that may need tweaking is KOHA_CONF's path in upgrade-schema |
| 05:27 |
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rangi |
No |
| 05:27 |
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rangi |
Don't tweak anything |
| 05:27 |
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mtompset |
if you used pacakges, no need to tweak. |
| 05:27 |
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mtompset |
I didn't, so I would have to. :) |
| 05:27 |
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rangi |
If you didn't install via packages don't use them |
| 05:27 |
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mtompset |
Right. :) |
| 05:28 |
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rangi |
Run the web installer to upgrade |
| 05:29 |
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rangi |
Then run the script it tells you to in the upgrade section of INSTALL |
| 05:29 |
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rangi |
Can't find the name from my phone |
| 05:29 |
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rangi |
Remove items from Marc |
| 05:30 |
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mtompset |
misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run |
| 05:30 |
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mtompset |
misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r |
| 05:30 |
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rangi |
That's right |
| 05:30 |
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wahanui |
I know. |
| 05:47 |
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muzu |
@mtompset,i am getting this message "misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run" if i run this script misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run |
| 05:47 |
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muzu |
sorry |
| 05:48 |
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muzu |
@mtompset,i am getting this message " Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at C4/Biblio.pm line 2926. " if i run this script misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run |
| 05:49 |
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mtompset |
I don't know what to do. |
| 05:49 |
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mtompset |
I've never used the script. |
| 05:49 |
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mtompset |
Sorry. |
| 05:50 |
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muzu |
ok no probs |
| 05:51 |
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dcook |
16:50* oleonardmutters, 'what do you mean there's already a Han Solo registered?' |
| 05:51 |
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dcook |
love it |
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|
* dcook |
wants to poke IE < 9 in the eyes |
| 06:17 |
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mtompset |
Sorry, but many people are using IE8, because XP doesn't go higher. |
| 06:17 |
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cait |
dcook: it would deserve it, I am sure |
| 06:18 |
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dcook |
Really, mtompset? |
| 06:18 |
|
dcook |
I'm intrigued |
| 06:18 |
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dcook |
Agreed, cait :) |
| 06:18 |
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alex_a |
bonjour #koha |
| 06:18 |
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dcook |
bonjour, alex_a |
| 06:19 |
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mtompset |
MS has a way of doing that, making their old OS not go up more than 1 version of IE. |
| 06:19 |
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dcook |
If you are inputting a new patron and you have errors, IE < 9 will create the patron anyway. So when you resolve the errors, it detects a duplicate... |
| 06:19 |
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mtompset |
Sounds like an ajax/jquery problem. |
| 06:20 |
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mtompset |
because good old CGI validation would never fail regardless of browser. ;) |
| 06:20 |
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cait |
dcook: put in a bug for that? |
| 06:20 |
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mtompset |
I think he is already working on a bug. |
| 06:20 |
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mtompset |
bonjour, alex_a. :) |
| 06:21 |
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dcook |
cait: I think we fixed it in 3.2, so now it's just a matter of figuring out the fix again and making sure to mention it in bugzilla too, of course :) |
| 06:22 |
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cait |
:) |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
We put up our first 3.8 library today, so hopefully I should have time (between immediate bug fixes) to start seriously feeding things back into the community |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
:) |
| 06:22 |
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mtompset |
I was wondering... |
| 06:22 |
|
mtompset |
the debian packages really simplify setting up multiple koha sites. |
| 06:22 |
|
mtompset |
Why? |
| 06:23 |
|
mtompset |
Why set up multiple koha sites on the same machine? |
| 06:24 |
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dcook |
O_o |
| 06:25 |
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rangi |
Why not |
| 06:25 |
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dcook |
I don't do much server administration, but I would say - virtual hosting, no? |
| 06:25 |
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mtompset |
That's the only reason I can really think of, dcook. |
| 06:25 |
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mtompset |
just a second... |
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reiveune |
hello |
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dcook |
allo reiveune |
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reiveune |
bonjour dcook :) |
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julian_m |
hello |
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wahanui |
hey, julian_m |
| 06:30 |
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mtompset |
Next bizarre thought... |
| 06:30 |
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mtompset |
Let's say I set up multiple kohas on the same machine. |
| 06:31 |
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mtompset |
Can I get them to use the same DB? or is that a bad idea TM? |
| 06:32 |
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magnuse |
they would hardly be multiple kohas if they had the same db... ;-) |
| 06:32 |
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dcook |
agreed |
| 06:32 |
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magnuse |
but they could use the same installation of mysql, of course |
| 06:32 |
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dcook |
Yeah, same mysql install, just different schemas |
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francharb |
morning |
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dcook |
bon matin, francharb |
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mtompset |
That's why the thought was bizarre... unfiltered. :) |
| 06:47 |
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dcook |
:P |
| 06:49 |
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dcook |
I think I might have to pass on this IE bug...I can't even find the 3.2 fix, although the behaviour is a bit better |
| 06:49 |
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dcook |
Either IE should cease to exist or people should never make errors when making a new patron :p |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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asaurat |
hi |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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kf |
hi asaurat and magnuse :) |
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magnuse |
guten morgen kf |
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gaetan_B |
hello ! |
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kf |
bonjour gaetan_B :) |
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gaetan_B |
guten morgen kf ! |
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mveron |
Hi #koha |
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rangi |
evening |
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eythian |
howdy |
| 08:44 |
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eythian |
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1089782 <-- some first-class trolling going on here |
| 08:45 |
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mtompset |
Oh my evilness! |
| 08:45 |
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mtompset |
That is messed up. |
| 08:49 |
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mtompset |
"Nowhere does the Ubuntu site promise that Ubuntu is a Magic Friendly Jesus Happy Fuzzy Bunny operating system." |
| 08:50 |
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mtompset |
Neither does FreeBSD whose mascot is a little devil. ;) |
| 08:51 |
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* dcook |
is amazed that people kept posting to the thread |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #791 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 20 days ago) |
| 08:52 |
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rangi |
people are eggs |
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kf |
sometimes |
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kf |
evening rangi |
| 08:53 |
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mtompset |
And there's the FreeBSD reference. ... Interesting waste of time to read. :) |
| 08:56 |
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mtompset |
Ahh... CE is the "Christian Edition". That's dumb. Is there a "Free Willy" edition too? How many variants do we need?! |
| 08:57 |
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rangi |
its probably best if people leave their prejudices out of the channel |
| 08:57 |
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* dcook |
agrees and returns to his homework |
| 08:57 |
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mtompset |
I was saying having so many variants was dumb. |
| 08:58 |
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mtompset |
I wasn't making a religious comment. Apologies where applicable. |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #106 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:15 |
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mtompset |
PureOS Based on Debian Testing. -- In reference to former discussion which basically suggested Ubuntu runs off debian testing. |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
| 09:20 |
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rangi |
hi drojf |
| 09:20 |
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drojf |
the guy with the old "koha on ubuntu" blog answered |
| 09:20 |
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drojf |
I'd be happy to post a notice. Do you know of a similar (but updated) tutorial I can redirect people to? If possible I'd rather not just give people a warning without giving them an alternative. |
| 09:20 |
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drojf |
i'll point him to the koha on ubuntu-wikipage?! |
| 09:21 |
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eythian |
yeah, that'd be the best idea |
| 09:21 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 09:21 |
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eythian |
also easier to keep it up to date |
| 09:21 |
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drojf |
it has a link to packages and all |
| 09:21 |
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drojf |
yup |
| 09:22 |
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mtompset |
I was looking at installation instructions on the wiki. |
| 09:22 |
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mtompset |
I think there is a lot of clean up that could be done. |
| 09:22 |
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mtompset |
Sadly, I don't have all the time in the world to do it. |
| 09:23 |
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mtompset |
Because the koha-common package method of installing is still going to be the same regardless of OS (debian, ubuntu, etc.) |
| 09:24 |
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mtompset |
what do I install? |
| 09:24 |
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mtompset |
what install do I use? |
| 09:24 |
|
* mtompset |
forgot the phrase we added last night. |
| 09:25 |
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mtompset |
what install to use? |
| 09:25 |
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mtompset |
irc logs |
| 09:25 |
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wahanui |
irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 09:28 |
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mtompset |
which install do I use? |
| 09:29 |
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* mtompset |
frowns. I guess wahanui forgot it. |
| 09:29 |
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mtompset |
which install to use? |
| 09:29 |
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wahanui |
If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball. |
| 09:29 |
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mtompset |
There we go. |
| 09:30 |
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mtompset |
We don't have a page which says something like this, and redirects accordingly. |
| 09:36 |
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mtompset |
I was just realizing, you can do a standard or site install off of a git clone. |
| 09:36 |
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mtompset |
Would you want to? |
| 09:58 |
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drojf |
seems like there is a playboy model called oksana koha |
| 10:09 |
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mtompset |
Latvia 2011 -- if google's first link is right. |
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jenkins_koha |
* jonathan.druart: Bug 7302: Export basketgroup as CSV |
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jenkins_koha |
* jonathan.druart: Bug 7302: Followup: rename "Client number" column with "Account number" |
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* paul.poulain: Bug 7302 tiny follow-up removing </td><td> |
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drojf |
off to the library, bye #koha |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #106: SUCCESS in 1 hr 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/106/ |
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jenkins_koha |
ruth: Bug 8392: Category age ranges not being enforced |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #107 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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mtompset |
why is the build called unstable? |
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kf |
failing tests |
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kf |
and one was master, one 3.8.x |
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kf |
http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]r/791/testReport/ |
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jcamins |
eythian_train: how do you use POD to generate a shorter help and a longer help? |
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eythian_train |
Have a look at my csvtomarc script, I think it does it. |
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eythian_train |
It's just an option to podusage |
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jcamins |
Ah, nifty. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, jcamins and oleonard |
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kf |
hi jcamins |
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kf |
hi oleonard .) |
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oleonard |
Hi |
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mtompset |
I was just web surfing for you jcamins. |
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mtompset |
Nice website. |
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oleonard |
We don't call that web surfing, we call that Google-stalking ;) |
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mtompset |
Well, it started on facebook, to see if he was there. :P |
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jcamins |
We call that general stalking, then. :P |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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jcamins |
(re: the nice website) |
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mtompset |
It's only stalking if you do it every day. :P |
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mtompset |
Doing it one day doesn't count as stalking. |
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mtompset |
Is anyone else here on facebook? |
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oleonard |
the first rule of facebook... |
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mtompset |
hide yourself from public searches? |
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mtompset |
Don't friend your employers? |
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mtompset |
Don't use it? |
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jcamins |
All of the above, I think. |
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* mtompset |
grins. |
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mtompset |
I was looking at the git.koha-community.org web page. Is there really a 3.0.x repository still? |
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jcamins |
Everything is in git. |
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jcamins |
Back to 2.0, at least. |
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jcamins |
(I think 1.x is in a different repo) |
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kf |
git++ |
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mtompset |
Okay. so everything in .tar.gz, everything in git.. only oldstable, squeeze, and squeeze-dev? |
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kf |
packes only date back last 3 stable versions I think |
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kf |
hm no |
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kf |
3 |
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kf |
gr. 2. |
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kf |
3.8 and 3.6 currently, that right jcamins? |
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jcamins |
That's correct. |
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mtompset |
oldstable = 3.6, squeeze = 3.8, squeeze-dev = 3.9 |
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kf |
matts: which is fridolyn's nick? |
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matts |
kf, <frido_s> |
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kf |
frido_s++ :) |
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mtompset |
Come november... oldstable = 3.8, squeeze (if debian hasn't released) = 3.10, squeeze-dev = 3.11 |
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kf |
matts: does he work in marseille? or from elsewhere? |
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matts |
I guess right now he must be at home |
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matts |
But he also does work in marseille from time to time |
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kf |
complicated :) |
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matts |
From an Internet perspective, it does not really matter, does it ? |
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kf |
no, not really :) |
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oleonard |
It does if paul_p is bringing cheese to share for lunch :P |
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Project Koha_3.8.x build #107: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/107/ |
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* f.demians: Bug 8392: Avoid having an untranslatable age range |
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jenkins_koha |
* m.de.rooy: Bug 8062 Followup for HTML::FormatText |
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jenkins_koha |
* magnus: Bug 7367 - One "the" too many |
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* dcook: Bug 8434 - Notice generation fails for Advanced Notices, Item Due, and Overdues when run in shell (due to error in Letters.pm) |
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magnuse |
\o/ |
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mtompset |
What's the cheering for, magnuse? |
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mtompset |
Or is that a wave? |
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magnuse |
a successfull build of 3.8.x :-) |
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magnuse |
a cheer (at least this time) |
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mtompset |
Have you been working on it? |
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mtompset |
BTW, I'm about to work on getting the ubunu-pkg-check.sh script into master shortly, jcamins |
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mtompset |
I was also thinking about my bash-script check_deps.sh |
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eythian_train |
You can see his name right there. |
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mtompset |
Well, the chopped 'e' confused me for a bit, but you are right. :) |
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mtompset |
Congrats, magnuse. :) |
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* mtompset |
cheers for coding victories. :) |
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mtompset |
I was thinking perhaps modifying it to BUILD the ubuntu.{version}.packages files. |
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magnuse |
nah, my cheer was more of a general nature :-) |
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jcamins |
mtompset: that would be nice. |
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oleonard |
If Bug 8501 is a duplicate of an invalid bug why is there a patch for it on the patches list? |
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magnuse |
but thanks anyway (my patch was just fixing a typo) |
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eythian_train |
Trainternets are being annoyingly problematic. |
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mtompset |
and... in a nice non-OS specific way, debian.{version}.packages as well. :) |
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mtompset |
lsb_release -i |
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mtompset |
I think that returns Debian. :) |
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mtompset |
It returns Ubuntu under ubuntu. :) |
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jcamins |
Yup. Distributor ID: Debian |
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magnuse |
eythian_train: where are you headed? |
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* mtompset |
's eyes sparkle with coding joy. |
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eythian_train |
magnuse: Marseille to Breda for a long weekend |
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oleonard |
How nice. How long is the trip? |
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magnuse |
eythian_train: w00t! have fun! |
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eythian_train |
oleonard: about 8 hours |
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eythian_train |
But, first class makes that okay. |
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magnuse |
ooh |
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paul_p |
kf = fridolyn is working from home. But as he lives 2hours from Marseille by train, he will come here sometimes. |
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kf |
paul_p: ah nice - only wanted to give him karma - for bug fixing :) |
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eythian_train |
Hrm, so checkout history sorts by surname now, not due date. And clicking the header on due date doesn't work because they're not really lexographically sortable. |
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kf |
eythian_train: I think you can make it work somehow the date sorting |
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kf |
I think it's working on another of the tables. hm. |
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kf |
wb eythian |
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chris_n |
off topic, but is anyone with bind9 experience on board? |
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mtompset |
Not I. |
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jcamins |
chris_n: I know that I hate managing DNS servers. |
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chris_n |
lol |
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chris_n |
jcamins: do you know if it is possible to restore a zone file from the journal file? |
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* chris_n |
fears not since the oracle @ google knows not how |
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jcamins |
Ummm... that sounds horrifying. |
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chris_n |
yes, and then some |
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tcohen |
what FS? |
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chris_n |
ext4 |
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chris_n |
jcamins: as horrifying as accidentally adding your gelatin mixture to your icecream base after the base has cooled |
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jcamins |
Wow, that is horrifying! |
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eythian_train |
I assume you backed up your ice cream? |
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chris_n |
the results are a non-palatable sort-of gummy mixture |
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chris_n |
eythian_train: sort of... just run it through a strainer, re-heat, and try again :-) |
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eythian_train |
That's probably how you recover a bind file from the journal, too. |
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* chris_n |
succumbs to the fact that one large dns zone is history |
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jcamins |
Signed off on bug 8233. |
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chris_n |
eythian_train: lol |
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jcamins |
paul_p: that would be a good one to push right away. People would be more likely to test and sign off if they could actually run tests. |
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mtompset |
jcamins, do you think GD is only to be the only confusing mess for my check_deps.sh script? |
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mtompset |
(on a forward basis) |
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mtompset |
Do you think I should I intentionally check /etc/apt/sources.list.d for a file with koha-community repositories? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: for right now GD is the only one that might run into problems. I could imagine that other packages might have issues too. |
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mtompset |
I'd code an exception for it. |
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jcamins |
marcelr++ # for remarkable patience |
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mtompset |
over a particular patch and testing? |
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jcamins |
Yeah, bug 7167. It's a great patch, but huuuuge. |
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mtompset |
It's full of stars! |
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francharb |
has anyone ever used the items.uri field? |
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francharb |
I linked it to one unimarc item subfield |
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francharb |
and I can't use it |
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francharb |
I can't fill it up |
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francharb |
(if it makes sense...) |
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francharb |
:) |
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oleonard |
francharb: Sounds like something which might have been used/planned for use before we pulled URL information directly from the MARC record? I'm just guessing. |
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francharb |
oleonard, maybe |
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francharb |
but I remerber than in 3.0 |
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francharb |
we could use it |
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francharb |
to display any url from for a specific item |
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oleonard |
Oh, well I don't know then |
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francharb |
once upon a time, when bugzilla was hosted on koha.org server, there were a bug reported (apparently) by nahuel about that... |
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francharb |
http://markmail.org/message/acaqbyjstvx26rix |
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oleonard |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3267 |
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jcamins |
francharb: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3267 |
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francharb |
thank you the internet for reminding me that it works (or doesn't) one day.. |
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francharb |
ahah, jcamins, thank you! |
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jcamins |
But there is no indication of exactly what it was supposed to do, just a patch adding a column to a table. |
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* oleonard |
was just about to ask nengard a question... |
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oleonard |
wizzyrea around yet? |
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francharb |
it's the equivalent of what we have on the staff side on the analytic view |
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francharb |
the "used in" link |
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francharb |
for every items linked to biblios |
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jcamins |
francharb: really? |
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jcamins |
francharb: uri is from 3.0, and the "Used in" column was added in 3.8. |
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francharb |
in 3.0, we could use the items.uri to put "http://your_koha.com/search?q=itemnumber" |
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jcamins |
I think they are completely different. |
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jcamins |
Ohhh. |
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francharb |
and a link will be display |
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jcamins |
I see. It's a way to manually link things. |
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francharb |
yep janPasi_ |
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francharb |
oups |
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francharb |
yep jcamins |
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francharb |
;) |
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oleonard |
nengard, do you have a moment for a question? |
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nengard |
yes |
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oleonard |
What do you think are the highlights of 3.8.x for libraries who are upgrading? What have you found are the things folks take notice of? |
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oleonard |
Working with master every day makes me out of touch with what the differences are :| |
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oleonard |
And if that's too broad a question, just say so |
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nengard |
star ratings, holds suspension, new staff client styles, local cover images, advanced search limits by shelving location and ccode and itype (if you want want all three) |
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nengard |
oh |
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nengard |
hourly loans :) |
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nengard |
and floating collections |
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oleonard |
Thanks. Every time we upgrade I'm surprised at the things my staff notice are different. They think I'm just uncommunicative ;) |
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* oleonard |
told them about nengard's intro to 3.8 webinars but doubts any of them signed up |
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nengard |
well did oyu tell them to attend the trainings that your amazing support provider was offering them?? |
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nengard |
oh! |
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nengard |
JINX |
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nengard |
hehe |
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oleonard |
Everyone here thinks they don't have time for anything besides rushing around like they have no time. |
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oleonard |
Maybe that's the same everywhere. |
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mtompset |
I think so. |
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nengard |
i've been in a library like that begore |
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nengard |
before |
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nengard |
drives me nuts |
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nengard |
if i have time to do all that i do then you have time to attend my short little webinar |
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nengard |
it will save you time later to learn how to use it now |
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mtompset |
What is eythian?'s name? I want to give him some credit in the script I'm working on. |
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jcamins |
Robin. |
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francharb |
mtompset, Robin Sheat |
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mtompset |
Thank you. |
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mtompset |
This is for the check_deps.sh script, jcamins |
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jcamins |
:) |
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mtompset |
should I make $DEBUG a parameter on the command-line? |
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mtompset |
full vs. what's not there. |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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tcohen |
jcamins, mtompset i've sent an email to koha-devel |
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tcohen |
let me know if is not readable please :-D |
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jcamins |
tcohen: no, it makes a great deal of sense to me. |
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tcohen |
thx |
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mtompset |
Particularly if it is supposed to be the recommended way. |
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jcamins |
I don't know that it's the recommended way. It's the way I prefer. |
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jcamins |
But my daemon needs revision before it would be suitable for inclusion in Koha. |
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* mtompset |
claps his hands, "So chop! chop!" |
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* mtompset |
grins. |
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kf |
wb eythian_train :) |
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eythian_train |
Trainternets are really not great. |
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oleonard |
Yeah, but INTERNET ON THE TRAIN. So yay. |
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kf |
eythian_train: I know your pain |
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* wizzyrea |
waves hello |
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kf |
oleonard: it's not for free if you were hoping that (at least not in germany) |
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wizzyrea |
but… INTERNET ON THE TRAIN. |
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wizzyrea |
though I suppose it's maybe not as good as say, a mobile hot spot? |
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kf |
wizzyrea: only on the fast trains and mostly too expensive - I end up using the phone or umts with laptop |
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eythian_train |
oleonard: well, I'm just tethering, so not as exciting as it could be. |
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eythian_train |
TGV doesn't have its own Internet yet. |
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wizzyrea |
ah so |
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kf |
there was free wlan on the austrian railjet lately... only it didn't like my laptop somehow |
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kf |
wizzyrea: cookiesß |
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kf |
? |
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jcamins |
Mmm, cookies! |
| 14:13 |
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mezwor |
Hello all , Can I install Koha in virtual Machine for production use |
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mezwor |
3please help, Can I install Koha in virtual Machine for production use |
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oleonard |
mezwor: You're asking for free help, so please be patient in waiting for a reply |
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oleonard |
I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing the answer is "You could, but everything is going to run much slower" |
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kf |
hm not necessarily I think |
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kf |
but depends on the hardware probably? |
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mezwor |
3Some people say it won't work at all for production only testing |
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paul_p |
mezwor = and asking privately to each of us is not the best way to have an answer |
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reiveune |
paul_p: ++ |
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paul_p |
mezwor = hey ! all our hosted customers are on a VM, so, fortunately it works ;-) |
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jcamins |
Black text is fine. There is no reason not to use a VM for production, if it will be low-use. |
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mezwor |
3okay paul, sorry for the inconvenience |
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kf |
paul_p, mezwor: same for us |
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oleonard |
mezwor: Perhaps you should define what you mean by "in a virtual machine." Is this on a server or on a desktop? |
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mezwor |
3On server |
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eythian_train |
Cookiesss? |
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eythian_train |
Is that like gollum cookies? |
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* oleonard |
knows people look at running a VM because they can't bear to dump Windows |
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* oleonard |
was thinking of it from that point of view |
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jcamins |
mezwor: no reason not to use a VM, just make sure it has enough resources. |
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mezwor |
3I mean I am not expert in VM and Koha doesn't put any specific requirement working VM |
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mezwor |
3I want to make sure if it is safe |
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kf |
eythian_train: I typoed with a german szett ß -apparently your client is clever enough to make that ss |
| 14:21 |
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wizzyrea |
yum cookies |
| 14:21 |
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eythian_train |
All ours are on VMs too, but kvm or xen. |
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jcamins |
mezwor: it will be fine. Just make sure there's plenty of RAM and disk space, and it's a recent-ish server. |
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kf |
marcelr++ |
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jcamins |
Mostly people use kvm or xen. |
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mezwor |
3How about if the host OS is windows? |
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jcamins |
mezwor: I suppose it would be possible, but I don't know of anyone who uses Windows as a host for VMs. |
| 14:23 |
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jcamins |
Unless that's what VMWare is? |
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mezwor |
3Ya VMWare |
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* mtompset |
waves. |
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mtompset |
I personally do for my git development. :) |
| 14:24 |
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mtompset |
VirtualBox. |
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wahanui |
virtualbox is good for that sort of thing |
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eythian_train |
kf: No, I just know what it represents, I've been to Germany before :-) |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yeah, but that's not production. |
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jcamins |
mezwor: still, you should be fine. Just make sure you're using a very powerful computer, because Windows is a resource hog. |
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kf |
eythian_train: *sigh* I will not be able to surprise you? |
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kf |
with all the weird things we do here? :) |
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mezwor |
3What do u meanjcamins |
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* mtompset |
sulks, "Hey, it's a windows box running a VM." |
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oleonard |
kf: I'm sure you could find some weird food or something kf? |
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jcamins |
mezwor: I mean that my experience with Windows was that it used a lot more resources than Linux. |
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* mtompset |
nods. |
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kf |
oleonard: I will certainly try :) - but he already has so many friends here it will probably get really hard |
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mezwor |
3okay |
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mtompset |
My VM is VEEEERY slow, but I'm beating my netbook to death to run it. |
| 14:26 |
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mezwor |
3your recommendation is ..? |
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mtompset |
Don't run windows as the host environment, if you are going to run a VM. |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Your poor netbook, it must be exhausted. |
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jcamins |
^^ that |
| 14:26 |
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mtompset |
1.5GHz baby. :) |
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mezwor |
3There are other applications running on the server like Dspace, etc |
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jcamins |
mezwor: the short answer is, it will work. |
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mezwor |
3Actually the server is high-spec |
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jcamins |
mezwor: however, no one would be willing to tell you it will work well because we mostly use servers running Linux or the like. |
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mtompset |
Not to mention, it is not good practice to put ALL your services on a single server. |
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eythian_train |
mezwor: Linux is recommended, but it will work on a vm on windows so long as the machine is well enough specced. |
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jcamins |
(not that it won't work well, just that no one is able to promise) |
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mezwor |
3I do have experince installing, configuring , etc on Linux Debian physicall server Do I need any special skiils to work on VM |
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mezwor |
3hosted on Windows server 2008 |
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mtompset |
just familiarity with the VM you choose. |
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mezwor |
3Thanks a lot, I think I will come up with a new experience ... to share (if any!) |
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eythian_train |
mtompset: consolidation with VMs is very common. |
| 14:32 |
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mtompset |
True, but the VM's are separated. :) |
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mezwor |
3Ya but I am not sys admin or network admin , so .... skill limitations, I just wanted to know the koha requirement |
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mezwor |
3I wish there exist clear koha system requirement |
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mtompset |
Once you are in the VM environment, it will set up just like Debian normally would. |
| 14:35 |
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mezwor |
3Thank you all |
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wizzyrea |
you mean like here: http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
| 14:36 |
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mezwor |
3ya but not enough |
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* mtompset |
nods. That's a good start. |
| 14:36 |
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wizzyrea |
we could add some recommendations for sizes/capacities/speed of things based on circs I guess. |
| 14:36 |
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wizzyrea |
circs or daily ILS activity |
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mtompset |
or catalogue size. |
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wizzyrea |
well catalogue size = disk space. Circulation = good network, fast processor, lots of memory, more disk space |
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mtompset |
catalogue size = memory size too (ZEEEEEEEEEEEBRAAAAAAAAA!) |
| 14:37 |
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wizzyrea |
Circ + OPAC stats would probably be the closest useful metric. |
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wizzyrea |
yea, but for indexing, you don't care so much about what's in active RAM - indexing itself might be slower as it'll have to swap, but you won't see server load like you will when you're running through 200 circs/hr |
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wizzyrea |
(or more) |
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mtompset |
some VMs don't get the luxury of swap space. |
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mtompset |
(depends on configuration by the sysadmin) |
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wizzyrea |
always an exception, eh |
| 14:40 |
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* wizzyrea |
is talking in generalities |
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mtompset |
I'm sorry... I'm just speaking from our reality. :) |
| 14:40 |
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wizzyrea |
is ok :) |
| 14:41 |
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mtompset |
Actually, page requests + catalogue? |
| 14:41 |
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wizzyrea |
yep |
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wizzyrea |
lots of libraries won't count page requests though, but they will know how many circs they are doing a month |
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mtompset |
page requests encompasses OPAC and staff client use. |
| 14:41 |
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mtompset |
circ * fudge factor. :) |
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wizzyrea |
and they may or may not have analytics to give them that data pre-go-live |
| 14:42 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, exactly :) |
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mtompset |
but if they are pre-live, they know catalogue size. |
| 14:42 |
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wizzyrea |
yep, and they'll know circs/month which can be figured to circs/hr |
| 14:43 |
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wizzyrea |
at least in the US everybody has to submit yearly stats to somebody |
| 14:43 |
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mtompset |
so there we have it: catalogue size + circs * fudge factor = X |
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mtompset |
X * memory constant = Y GB necessary. |
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wizzyrea |
and busier catalogue = faster processor |
| 14:44 |
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wizzyrea |
so don't try to run your 40 library consortium on a p4 |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
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mtompset |
That's worse than me and my netbook! |
| 14:44 |
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wizzyrea |
unless nobody uses your libraries. then it might be ok |
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jcamins |
mtompset: there was someone doing that. |
| 14:46 |
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jcamins |
Well, it was a 20-library consortium. |
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* mtompset |
is shocked and awed. |
| 14:47 |
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mtompset |
That's so bad, it's awesome. |
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eythian_train |
I think if you have low ram and no swap, you've got bigger problems anyway. |
| 14:50 |
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mtompset |
We've bumped up to 1GB from 512MB... If we continue to grow, I'll be requesting more. |
| 14:50 |
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mtompset |
1GB is working okay. |
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jcamins |
1GB should be plenty if you only have 30k records (do I remember you only having ~30k records?) |
| 14:51 |
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eythian_train |
Until a badly behaved spider hits apache, anyway. |
| 14:51 |
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mtompset |
-- we stop and restart apache at 1am. ;) |
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jcamins |
eythian_train: yeah, but 8GB of RAM won't be enough to protect you from that. |
| 14:51 |
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mtompset |
and we have a robots.txt |
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* jcamins |
chuckles. |
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mtompset |
we might have 60K... but it is "small" compared to libraries that you folks work with. :) |
| 14:53 |
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mtompset |
I think 30K was from one branch and 30K from another. |
| 14:53 |
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mtompset |
roughly. |
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jcamins |
Ah, that's where 30k came from. |
| 14:53 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I work with a library with <500 records. |
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eythian_train |
Hopefully it doesn't spider at 2am then or you'll be down all night. |
| 14:54 |
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mtompset |
Yes, but then I'll get a call. |
| 14:54 |
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mtompset |
when they come in at 8:30am and can't do squat. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: nagios |
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jcamins |
+ munin |
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jcamins |
+ pager |
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* wizzyrea |
hates those phone calls |
| 14:54 |
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wizzyrea |
would rather avoid them. |
| 14:54 |
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jcamins |
= no phone calls from staff |
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mtompset |
nagios? |
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mtompset |
munin? |
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wahanui |
rumour has it munin is power mad |
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eythian_train |
Yeah, we use nagios for that. |
| 14:57 |
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eythian_train |
Ideally we notice before the library does. |
| 14:58 |
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jcamins |
I still need to add a few more Koha-specific plugins. |
| 14:59 |
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eythian_train |
I made a couple a while back. |
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jcamins |
Yeah, I want to base mine on yours, but make them work with pacakges. :) |
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* jcamins |
has never heard of a nepter fruit. |
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eythian_train |
Yeah, that's on my to do list also. One day :-) |
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jcamins |
I will share the fruits of my labor, if I get to it before you. |
| 15:01 |
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jcamins |
Time to head to a meeting. |
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mtompset |
Have fun. |
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mtompset |
Hmm... huginn is still missing? |
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nepter |
@seen lime |
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nepter |
who commands huginn? |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... he's away too,. |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt |
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wahanui |
rumour has it gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology |
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mtompset |
@seen gmcharlt |
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mtompset |
I guess that was a hugin function. |
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wizzyrea |
huginn does those :) |
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mtompset |
@wunder mnl |
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wizzyrea |
also huginn |
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* mtompset |
goes, "Nooooooooo!" in a very dramatic fashion. |
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wizzyrea |
http://t.qkme.me/35tevs.jpg |
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gmcharlt |
@wunder mnl |
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* wizzyrea |
greets gmcharlt warmly |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Error: timed out |
| 15:12 |
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gmcharlt |
@wunder 30096 |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: The current temperature in Bromolow Ridge, Duluth, Georgia is 29.9°C (11:10 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
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wizzyrea |
bug 1000 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1000 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED INVALID, installer: drop/suppress entries in mysql if re-launching installer script |
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wizzyrea |
thumbs up :D |
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eythian_train |
@wunder where I am |
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huginn |
eythian_train: Error: No such location could be found. |
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wizzyrea |
thanks gmcharlt |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt++ |
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mtompset |
gmcharlt++ |
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mtompset |
@wunder mnl |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 26.0°C (11:00 PM PHT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
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* mtompset |
smiles. |
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oleonard |
@wunder 45701 |
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huginn |
oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 25.0°C (10:41 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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mtompset |
how did you figure out the number, oleonard |
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oleonard |
US zip code |
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mtompset |
@wunder L7E5Y5 |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in 4km N of Caledon Village, Caledon Village, Ontario is 24.4°C (10:59 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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nengard |
@wunder 19030 |
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huginn |
nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 28.1°C (11:14 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea |
wow apparently there was pent up demand for weather |
| 15:16 |
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mtompset |
Oooo... It knows Canadian postal codes too. |
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nengard |
hehe |
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mtompset |
@wunder 4009 |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in Moose Pond (Knights Hill), Bridgton, Maine is 20.8°C (11:15 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
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* mtompset |
smirks, "Not Philippine ones." |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (5:00 PM CEST on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Light Thunderstorm. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
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mtompset |
@wunder north pole |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: No such location could be found. |
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drojf |
hello again |
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mtompset |
Greetings, drojf |
| 15:21 |
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drojf |
hey mtompset |
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wahanui |
it has been said that mtompset is a human being in the Philippines, and is having musical flashbacks. |
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drojf |
what's with the flashbacks? |
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mtompset |
I was having them. |
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mtompset |
Actually, kf triggered some today with her 'wb's. |
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drojf |
is that a good or a bad thing? |
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kf |
with my wb? |
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mtompset |
Welcome Back. |
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kf |
hm |
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mtompset |
http://youtu.be/mPaed8I3V1A -- Welcome Back Kotter. |
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mtompset |
It's an ANCIENT TV programme. |
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oleonard |
I can't believe they even had TV back then. |
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gmcharlt |
tuning them by throwing stone knives at the rabbit ears was a pain |
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oleonard |
I think that show started on vaudeville originally, and moved to TV after a successful run on radio. |
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oleonard |
Travolta replaced an earlier actor who couldn't cut it in the "talkies" |
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nepter |
mtompset: what's your connection to or interest in the PI? |
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mtompset |
The short form for Philippines is PH, I believe, not PI. PI is deprecated. But that aside, it is where I am currently located. |
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nepter |
PI may not be State Department legal, but is commonly used among a certain group of people. But quite interesting that you are there. |
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nepter |
I was formerly a frequent visitor to AC, or more properly, Angeles City |
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nepter |
With occasional stops in Manila |
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oleonard |
nepter: Why the new nick? |
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nepter |
rhcl is deprecated |
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mtompset |
The problem is that PI implies colonialism to some people. |
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nepter |
ic. I was not aware of that, and I did not intend my usage to imply such. My apologies. |
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mtompset |
no problems. I didn't take offense. I just wanted you to be aware of it. |
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mtompset |
Angeles City? Is that north of Manila? |
| 15:40 |
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mtompset |
I may be in the Philippines, but my geography is still bad. :) |
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mtompset |
I'll be returning to Canada in November when my overseas assignment completes. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: bug 8486 tiny follow-up, removing ` <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]390d692929d3e04aa> / Bug 8486 Merge Calendar test files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]98921043b08d2ff32> / Bug 8486 Correct calculation of days_between <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0477d50991c2e9204 |
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nepter |
ah, yes, north and slightly west of Manila, about 80 km. |
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mtompset |
I'm about 90km south and east. :) |
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nepter |
formerly the location of Clark AB, a large US military air base until Pinatubo changed things. |
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mtompset |
Ah, Clark Air Base... |
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mtompset |
Volancos will do that. :) |
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nepter |
I might suggest a trek through the lahar fields if you have time. Quite impressive. I assume it's still safe to go there with a guide. |
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reiveune |
bye |
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mtompset |
Sadly, koha development and some backup scripting is occupying my time. :) |
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* mtompset |
grins, "Not really sadly. I like it." |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #792 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 21 days ago) |
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nengard |
who can refresh http://schema.koha-community.org/ ? |
| 15:53 |
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nengard |
now that a lot more db docs have been pushed it should be updated |
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nengard |
it says May 15th 2012 was the last update |
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libsysguy |
so i need a word to replace "holiday" in the database so that it intuitively covers daily closures as well |
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mtompset |
Not I. Sorry. |
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mtompset |
it has to be a single word? |
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kf |
libsysguy: why does it matter? |
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kf |
I think all the documentation talks about holidays too |
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kf |
sorry, I might be misunderstanding :( |
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libsysguy |
i guess it doesn't, it just doesn't really make sense (to me) to call it something else…like "closures" |
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libsysguy |
or something of the like |
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libsysguy |
if that makes sense |
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nengard |
libsysguy - why not 'closure' |
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nengard |
or 'closing' |
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mtompset |
I see what you are saying. |
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libsysguy |
like if the library closes after 5 its not really a holiday |
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mtompset |
closure sounds like closed for renovations or permanently. |
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libsysguy |
those were the 2 that I was considering nengard |
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kf |
hm how will it work? |
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kf |
are you creating a new table for opening times? |
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libsysguy |
i am re-working it so there is a table for the closure event and then a table for the recurrences |
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libsysguy |
so that it complies with RFC 2445 |
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kf |
rfc 2445? |
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mtompset |
link? |
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wahanui |
link is, like, right, but the website is gone, apparently |
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libsysguy |
(RFC !+ Request for comment) |
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libsysguy |
http://search.cpan.org/~drolsk[…]me/Format/ICal.pm |
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kf |
hm |
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mtompset |
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2445.txt |
| 15:59 |
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kf |
the website I found says that it was obsoleted by another |
| 15:59 |
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libsysguy |
mtompset: that too |
| 15:59 |
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kf |
http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5545 |
| 15:59 |
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libsysguy |
the 5542 one? |
| 15:59 |
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libsysguy |
yeah that |
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wahanui |
yeah that is fine as it is |
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mib_fts8ou |
wow, I did not know that a translation has integrated mibbit |
| 15:59 |
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mib_fts8ou |
Perhaps this explains some |
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kf |
libsysguy: hm. so it will be all one string? |
| 16:00 |
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libsysguy |
the recurrence will be represented as one string…yes |
| 16:00 |
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kf |
all those calendar stuff is a bit too high for me - but I am worried about reworking it all - we might be breaking all the calendar stuff again if we are not careful :( |
| 16:01 |
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libsysguy |
that is why I am going to test the hell out of this |
| 16:01 |
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libsysguy |
but it has to change because of the way it is written if we ever want to extend it |
| 16:01 |
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libsysguy |
i am taking rangi's advice |
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libsysguy |
test first |
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libsysguy |
:p |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
it looks quite cryptic |
| 16:01 |
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libsysguy |
it is really cryptic |
| 16:02 |
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kf |
using sql on those might be hard? |
| 16:03 |
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kf |
hm, guess what we need is, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, ranges and exceptions to each? |
| 16:03 |
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libsysguy |
well they would just define the recurrence, but I see what you mean |
| 16:03 |
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libsysguy |
exactly |
| 16:03 |
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libsysguy |
like google calendar :p |
| 16:03 |
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kf |
I don't use that :) |
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libsysguy |
:'( |
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libsysguy |
I think it would be better to use a standard than write our own (like it is now) |
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kf |
I can undersatnd the approach |
| 16:04 |
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kf |
only never heard about it |
| 16:04 |
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libsysguy |
hehe |
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kf |
will it work for dates and times? |
| 16:05 |
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libsysguy |
yes it will…it is an extension of a datetime object |
| 16:05 |
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libsysguy |
so it is easily integrible into our current code |
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kf |
cool |
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kf |
ok, time to leave - bye all :) |
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libsysguy |
later kf |
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ago43 |
does anyone know how the icon for maps here is hyperlinked? http://catalogo.pusc.it/cgi-bi[…]iblionumber=13381 |
| 16:39 |
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cait |
I think maybe customized code |
| 16:39 |
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cait |
templates i mean |
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oleonard |
It's Javascript-dependent, but I haven't found where it's coming from |
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cait |
same here |
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ago43 |
okay, thanks very much cait and oleonard! I asked them how they did it, but haven't heard back yet. |
| 16:41 |
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cait |
maybe write to zeno |
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oleonard |
Oh, here? http://catalogo.pusc.it/pusc_opac.js |
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ago43 |
who's zeno? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that zeno is from italy - not sure if inventory number only sounds better to us |
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oleonard |
Zeno Tajoli |
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wahanui |
somebody said Zeno Tajoli was the person who has introduced UNIMARC italian support into Koha |
| 16:43 |
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ago43 |
ah, I thought you meant Zen from Masterpiece Theater. |
| 16:43 |
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oleonard |
?! |
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cait |
bbl #koha :) |
| 16:44 |
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ago43 |
detective show from BBC. |
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ago43 |
thanks. I'll keep an eye out for Zeno. |
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oleonard |
ago43: Also note Bug 737 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Map of library in search system |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #792: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/792/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* m.de.rooy: 7368 Adjustments for Perl dependencies |
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jenkins_koha |
* oleonard: Bug 7889 - Use standard style for errors and messages |
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jenkins_koha |
* colin.campbell: Bug 8486 Correct calculation of days_between |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7889 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use standard style for errors and messages |
| 16:55 |
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jenkins_koha |
* colin.campbell: Bug 8486 Merge Calendar test files |
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jenkins_koha |
* paul.poulain: bug 8486 tiny follow-up, removing ` |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation |
| 16:55 |
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oleonard |
huginn++ |
| 16:55 |
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mtompset |
Wow! That's an ancient bug. |
| 16:55 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7420 tiny bugfix <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9f457fc606c5910af> / Bug 7420 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]083fa11743e70da57> / [PATCH] bug_7420: Added overduefinescap to issuingrules <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6cfdae1c285724408 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #793 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 21 days ago) |
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oleonard |
An ancient bug with 3 competing implementations apparently |
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* oleonard |
imagines a 4th which uses svg |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
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mtompset |
Actually, wouldn't you have to know where the OPAC terminal is? |
| 17:19 |
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mtompset |
And what if there are multiple terminals? |
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oleonard |
The map doesn't have to have a big "you are here" button |
| 17:20 |
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mtompset |
This script is getting big now! |
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mtompset |
(unrelated) |
| 17:20 |
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mtompset |
Yes it does. |
| 17:20 |
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mtompset |
That's what maps in a mall have. |
| 17:21 |
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oleonard |
http://html5demos.com/geo/ |
| 17:22 |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... it's asking for my location, but it doesn't see to do anything. |
| 17:22 |
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mtompset |
^see^seem^ |
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mtompset |
Greetings, nepter |
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| 17:47 |
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JoeLib001 |
Hello. :-) I have come across a strange thing which looks like a bug to me. |
| 17:48 |
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JoeLib001 |
It seems that when I do a Z39.50 search for a record, if the 001 line (Control Number) has leading spaces it does not show up when being searched. |
| 17:48 |
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oleonard |
Lay it on us JoeLib001 |
| 17:49 |
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jcamins |
JoeLib001: you mean when copy cataloging? |
| 17:49 |
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JoeLib001 |
Yes. |
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JoeLib001 |
The Cataloger tells me that it is standard to have 2 leading spaces after 2000 and 3 leading spaces prior to it. |
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JoeLib001 |
After the year 2000. |
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jcamins |
So you click on the "View MARC" and there's no 001 line? |
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jcamins |
Ah, your cataloger confused you. That's LCCN (010). |
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jcamins |
I've never seen an LCCN in 001. |
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JoeLib001 |
There were spaces in the 001. |
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JoeLib001 |
We did a search with a different system and it returned a hit. |
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jcamins |
Okay, but what's the problem? |
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JoeLib001 |
I did a search with Koha and we got nothing. |
| 17:52 |
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jcamins |
The problem is that when you did a search in a remote Z39.50 server, any record that had spaces in the 001 doesn't display? |
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JoeLib001 |
But, I can get results from the Z39.50 server I am searching, if there are no leading spaces in the 001 line. |
| 17:52 |
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JoeLib001 |
Yeah. |
| 17:53 |
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JoeLib001 |
At least that's what it looks like. I tested a couple of items and it happened for both items that had leading spaces in the 001. |
| 17:53 |
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JoeLib001 |
I don't really have a way of testing it further. |
| 17:53 |
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JoeLib001 |
Unless I can do a Z39.50 Search of my own Catalog. |
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jcamins |
That's absolutely bizarre. |
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jcamins |
Don't suppose this is a public Z39.50 server? |
| 17:55 |
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jcamins |
You could set up public Z39.50. |
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jcamins |
How were you searching for these records? |
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jcamins |
Just keywords? |
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JoeLib001 |
I did a title search and an ISBN search. |
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JoeLib001 |
Double checked the ISBN as well. |
| 17:56 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that sounds like a bug. |
| 17:56 |
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jcamins |
You should report it on bugzilla. |
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mtompset |
How was the meeting, jcamins? |
| 17:58 |
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JoeLib001 |
Ok. Is this how I do it? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bugzilla |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: not bad. |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
JoeLib001: I recommend just filing the bug on bugzilla. |
| 17:58 |
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JoeLib001 |
Yeah, I have never used bugzilla. |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
Trying to use e-mail is a lot more trouble. |
| 17:58 |
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jcamins |
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ |
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jcamins |
^^ click "File a bug" |
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jcamins |
(and create an account) |
| 17:59 |
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mtompset |
Beat me to it. |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #793: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/793/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* elliott: [PATCH] bug_7420: Added overduefinescap to issuingrules |
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jenkins_koha |
* paul.poulain: Bug 7420 follow-up DBRev number |
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jenkins_koha |
* paul.poulain: Bug 7420 tiny bugfix |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7420 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Add max fines to circulation matrix |
| 18:04 |
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mtompset |
I have got some serious enhancements to check_deps.sh done, jcamins. |
| 18:05 |
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mtompset |
I'm just testing the file compare against ubuntu.packages logic. |
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jcamins |
:) |
| 18:06 |
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mtompset |
and actually, it is coded as $DIST, wirth a lsb_release -i ;) |
| 18:06 |
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* jcamins |
approves of this. |
| 18:07 |
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jcamins |
I will modify the script to figure out its own sources.list, depending on the dist and version passed in. |
| 18:07 |
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mtompset |
I thought apt-file handled that. |
| 18:09 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I'm pretty sure apt-file only uses the sources.list you specify or the one used by the system. |
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mtompset |
Do you have an Ubuntu 3.8.3 system? |
| 18:09 |
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mtompset |
There were files only in the additional repository. |
| 18:09 |
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JoeLib001 |
Is that all I need to do? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8505 |
| 18:10 |
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huginn |
Bug 8505: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Records with leading spaces in the 001 line do not return Z39.50 search results. |
| 18:10 |
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jcamins |
I do not. |
| 18:10 |
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jcamins |
JoeLib001: yup. Any more information you can provide, such as what server you were accessing, would help, but if you don't know anymore, there's nothing more you can say. :) |
| 18:11 |
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JoeLib001 |
It was a service we are paying for. :-) |
| 18:11 |
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JoeLib001 |
Well, is a service we are paying for. |
| 18:11 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I do not. I use Debian. I want, however, to have a tool that warns me if any additional dependency is not available for Ubuntu 10.04, Ubuntu 12.04, Debian Squeeze, or Debian Wheezy. |
| 18:12 |
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jcamins |
oleonard++ |
| 18:12 |
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mtompset |
This warns you if the apt-file output doesn't have it. |
| 18:12 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: right. So I want to be able to run it in a loop specifying "--dist=ubuntu --version=lucid" :D |
| 18:12 |
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* chris_n |
mumbles something about ubuntu and their slowness about fixing buggy packages |
| 18:12 |
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jcamins |
(or --dist=debian --version=squeeze) |
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jcamins |
(or whatever) |
| 18:13 |
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mtompset |
Oh, so you actually want a source.list parameter? |
| 18:13 |
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jcamins |
That would work too. |
| 18:13 |
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mtompset |
So you can have copies of the source.list files from those dists and run the script in Debian? |
| 18:13 |
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jcamins |
:) |
| 18:14 |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
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mtompset |
The problem is if you specify a source.list --- then source.list.d won't be followed. |
| 18:15 |
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mtompset |
does your source.list.d have anything OTHER than the debian.k-c.org repo? |
| 18:15 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: nope. |
| 18:15 |
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jcamins |
And it shouldn't pass in a sources.list unless one is specified on the command line. |
| 18:15 |
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mtompset |
what about your apt.cp.... |
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JoeLib001 |
The platform and operating system would be the platform and operating system my server is running or that I was doing the search from? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: actually, that's what I use instead of debian.k-c.org. |
| 18:16 |
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oleonard |
JoeLib001: What the server is running unless you're talking about a browser compatibility bug |
| 18:16 |
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jcamins |
Hence the importance of being able to specify a sources.list that uses debian.k-c.org instead of mine. |
| 18:16 |
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JoeLib001 |
Ok. I am figuring it isn't the browser. |
| 18:16 |
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JoeLib001 |
Thanks. |
| 18:16 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: good catch on that. |
| 18:16 |
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oleonard |
JoeLib001: In 99.5% of cases the bug is server-independent |
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mtompset |
so you would create a debian one with the k-c.org appended to it? |
| 18:18 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: right. |
| 18:18 |
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jcamins |
And also one for Wheezy. |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
And Lucid. |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
And Precise. |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
And it will all go in the release-tools repository so anyone can use it. |
| 18:20 |
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jcamins |
Oh, we'll also need to support the --cache argument so that we don't have to rebuild the cache from scratch every time. |
| 18:20 |
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mtompset |
I've got it expecting to be in the same directory as koha_perl_deps.pl |
| 18:20 |
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mtompset |
send me parameter specs. |
| 18:20 |
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* jcamins |
will teach it to handle being in a different directory, fear not. |
| 18:21 |
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mtompset |
I'll tweak it accordingly. |
| 18:21 |
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jcamins |
--cache should take a directory, which it can then just pass straight through to apt-file. |
| 18:22 |
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mtompset |
Well there we go!\ |
| 18:22 |
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jcamins |
So if you support --sources-list and --cache by simply passing them through to apt-file if they are specified, it will be easy to add it into my mammoth release-test.pl tool. |
| 18:22 |
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mtompset |
I just ran in under an un-tar'd 3.6.6 |
| 18:23 |
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mtompset |
it listed some things that were missing that we added in 3.6.7 :) |
| 18:24 |
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mtompset |
currently it is: |
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mtompset |
check_deps.sh [<file> [<full>]] |
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mtompset |
<file>.all is everything it does find |
| 18:25 |
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mtompset |
<file>.missing is everything it doesn't find |
| 18:25 |
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mtompset |
full limits the output. |
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mtompset |
going to add a <file>.fix for the missing $DIST.packages file |
| 18:28 |
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mtompset |
which can basically be appended to the end of the $DIST.packages file. |
| 18:28 |
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mtompset |
I figure it is best to NOT append as part of the script, so a human can check. |
| 18:29 |
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jcamins |
Makes sense to me. |
| 18:29 |
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* oleonard |
cannot reproduce Bug 8473 |
| 18:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Different favicon in the staff client only shows in the english templates |
| 18:29 |
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mtompset |
Did you try looking at the icon when you first went to it? |
| 18:29 |
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mtompset |
I had that problem. |
| 18:30 |
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mtompset |
I created an includes directory somewhere. |
| 18:30 |
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mtompset |
problem goes away. |
| 18:31 |
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mtompset |
Did you tell apache where the favicon is which is not default? |
| 18:31 |
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mtompset |
i think the problem is [% themelang %] isn't defined when the auth.tt is called. |
| 18:32 |
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mtompset |
and neither is [% IntranetFavIcon %] |
| 18:33 |
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mtompset |
but once you log in... they are most definitely defined. |
| 18:35 |
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oleonard |
mtompset: If you mean the favicon doesn't work out of the box upon installation I don't find that to be true |
| 18:36 |
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mtompset |
I did, but ONLY on the auth screen. |
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mtompset |
Perhaps it is fixed in a later version? |
| 18:37 |
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mtompset |
I don't know. I know it is busted in 3.6.3 |
| 18:37 |
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mtompset |
That's why I just hacked the else. |
| 18:37 |
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mtompset |
and on some vm's I play with... put an include dir. |
| 18:39 |
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mtompset |
so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--base-dir <path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? |
| 18:40 |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
| 18:40 |
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mtompset |
Where base-dir would be pre-pended to the calculated file from dist,release. |
| 18:41 |
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jcamins |
Sounds *perfect* to me. |
| 18:41 |
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jcamins |
Oh, needs one additional argument. |
| 18:41 |
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mtompset |
what? |
| 18:41 |
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jcamins |
--kohaclone so that you can specify where the kohaclone is, if you're not running it from that directory. |
| 18:42 |
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jcamins |
(I actually don't need that, since I adjust the working directory, but it would be good to have that possible) |
| 18:42 |
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mtompset |
so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--koha-dir=<path>] [--base-dir=<path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? |
| 18:42 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
| 18:43 |
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mtompset |
Well, perhaps .... |
| 18:43 |
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mtompset |
so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--koha-dir=<path>] [--list-dir=<path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? |
| 18:43 |
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jcamins |
Ah, yes, that's preferable. |
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mtompset |
output files include: <file>.all -- everything that is found. <file>.missing -- everything that is NOT found. <file>.fix -- whatever is missing from the dist/release .packages file in install_misc |
| 18:46 |
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mtompset |
so .missing output means they would need to be added to a repo. |
| 18:46 |
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mtompset |
and .fix output means the files need updating based in PerlDependencies.pm |
| 18:47 |
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oleonard |
Man, git can be so smart about merging differences sometimes, and other times it can be so stupid. |
| 18:47 |
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oleonard |
git: "Oh, you changed a single tab to four spaces? I can't possibly resolve that conflict." |
| 18:47 |
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mtompset |
I'll email you the current version, jcamins |
| 18:47 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: that's perfect. I use the .fix file to make sure the .packages files are correct for release, and .missing to determine if there's any problem. |
| 18:47 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: thanks! |
| 18:47 |
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jcamins |
mtompset++ |
| 18:48 |
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mtompset |
But those parameters we just talked about are not implemented yet. |
| 18:48 |
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jcamins |
Well, I'll have the version with everything bout the new parameters. :) |
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jcamins |
*but |
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mtompset |
And you can give me some feedback, if there's code optimizations in order. :) |
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mtompset |
yikes... it's 11K already?! |
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mtompset |
Silly me for commenting things. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: don't feel bad... my release-tool.pl script is 33k. |
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jcamins |
At some point it will need to be refactored into module(s). |
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mtompset |
It's a good thing I do the "if [ ... ]; then" on one line. |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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mtompset |
I just sent it... |
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jcamins |
Got it. |
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jcamins |
Taking a look now. |
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mveron |
God evening #koha |
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mveron |
Good... (Should put my glasses ... |
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jcamins |
mtompset: is it to be expected that I'm getting a lot of "Integer expression expected" warnings? |
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mtompset |
No. |
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mtompset |
what did you type? |
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jcamins |
./check_deps.sh test |
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mtompset |
missed a test case. |
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mtompset |
put a 0 or 1 after the name. |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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mtompset |
Unintialized value error. :) |
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mtompset |
Near the top... just add a DEBUG=1 |
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mtompset |
then you won't need to pass the 0 or 1. |
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jcamins |
Ooh, I need to generate the apt-file Index. |
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cait |
bye all |
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mtompset |
Yes. |
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mtompset |
I figure if you have your sample source.list files in source.list.d |
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mtompset |
that if you run a apt-file update |
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mtompset |
it will do it for all of them |
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mtompset |
so when you specify one, it will be there. |
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mtompset |
I could attempt to automate that part too. |
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jcamins |
No, I mean for my repo. |
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mtompset |
Ah, yes. |
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mtompset |
Is it even generated for debian. k-c-.org? |
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jcamins |
Hm. I don't think so. |
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mtompset |
It would make automation easier. ;) |
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mtompset |
Yes, I added DEBUG=1 on line 21. |
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mtompset |
so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--koha-dir=<path>] [--list-dir=<path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? |
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mtompset |
Just saying it again to make it visible. :) |
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jcamins |
That is indeed what I am thinking, yes. |
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jcamins |
:) |
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mtompset |
what's lsb_release -r for debian? need a good example for my comments. |
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jcamins |
Uh-oh. |
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jcamins |
It looks like "6.0.5" |
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jcamins |
It should say squeeze. |
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mtompset |
no, that would be -c |
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jcamins |
Oh, okay. |
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jcamins |
You knew that, |
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jcamins |
:) |
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mtompset |
check out also -a. :) |
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jcamins |
Ah, nifty. |
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jcamins |
Possibly better to use --codename instead of --release, then? |
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* jcamins |
didn't realize there was a difference. |
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mtompset |
we used -r for ubuntu stuff, remember? |
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mtompset |
I'd like to stay consistent. :) |
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mtompset |
ubuntu-pkg-check.sh |
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wahanui |
hmmm... ubuntu-pkg-check.sh is hardcoded to ubuntu.packages. |
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mtompset |
was. |
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jcamins |
Oh, this isn't for sources.list. |
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jcamins |
Got it. |
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mtompset |
well, actually... it would be for BOTH. |
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jcamins |
I mean, it doesn't go *in* sources.list. |
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mtompset |
unless we added another parameter to split the meaning. |
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mtompset |
no... |
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jcamins |
Carry on. :) |
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mtompset |
I would expect source.list.d/ubuntu.12.04.list, etc. |
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jcamins |
Right. That makes sense. |
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mtompset |
where ubuntu could be any dist you want. |
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mtompset |
and 12.04 would be the correct release number for it. |
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jcamins |
One small problem with releases for Debian... we only would want the first two parts of the version, not the third number. |
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mtompset |
-- why? |
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jcamins |
Because you use the same set of packages for 6.0.*. They're all "squeeze." |
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mtompset |
okay, a bit of a coding pain, but do-able. |
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jcamins |
Though I suppose if you're specifying the release on the command line, it doesn't actually matter. |
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jcamins |
You just have to make sure all the files match. |
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jcamins |
Right? |
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mtompset |
but if you don't specify it on the command line, it has to choose one. |
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jcamins |
Ah, right. |
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mtompset |
RELEASE=`lsb_release -r | ....` |
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mtompset |
RELEASE2=`echo $RELEASE | tr -d '.'` |
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mtompset |
DIFF=$((${#RELEASE}-${#RELEASE2})) |
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mtompset |
no wait... |
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mtompset |
RELEASE=`lsb_release -r | ... | cut -f1-2 -d'.'` |
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mtompset |
the ... is other magic :) |
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jcamins |
Right. :) |
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mtompset |
so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--koha-dir=<path>] [--list-dir=<path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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mtompset |
Just documenting a To-Do. |
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mtompset |
Bye, oleonard |
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jcamins |
mtompset: that makes sense to me, yes. |
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mtompset |
just commenting on your assistance in testing and design of parameter requirements. |
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mtompset |
okay... sent you the latest. |
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mtompset |
I'm going to bed. |
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mtompset |
It's 3.35am! |
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mtompset |
I think I'll need to get more Mountain Dew in the morning. |
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mtompset |
Any idea on how to get the soruces.list files from various distributions without a full install? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: no, I'm still working on that. |
| 19:39 |
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mtompset |
Send me an email on that one, if you do. |
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jcamins |
Will do. |
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rangi |
Morning |
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mtompset |
Yes, it definitely is. |
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libsysguy_class |
phew it was only jenkins |
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mtompset |
However, I'm calling it a night. :) |
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* mtompset |
waves. |
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mveron |
Good morning rangi and night everybody :-) |
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drojf |
old koha on ubuntu blog guy says "Sure. It'll be a few days before I can get to it, but I'll make the update." will make the link to the fork disappear too i hope |
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* drojf |
goes out for a beer |
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jcamins |
Woohoo! |
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jcamins |
drojf++ |
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rangi |
Yay |
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jcamins |
@later tell mtompset sources.list generator for Debian: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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huginn |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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rangi |
Nepter: two ex academy kids start today, one first year of uni, one last year of high school |
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rangi |
Growing devs as u suggested |
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jcamins |
Is one of them Joann's son? |
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jcamins |
(then it'd be truly a home-grown Koha developer:) |
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rangi |
Hehe no he is only 15 |
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rangi |
Still has 2 patches in tho |
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rangi |
Couple of years :-) |
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jcamins |
rangi: well, I figured he'd come before Kahu. |
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rangi |
Yep 2 patches at 14 is not shabby |
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jcamins |
You know, I've been spoiled by barcode scanners. |
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jcamins |
I just had to enter my library card barcode number into a website. |
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jcamins |
And it greatly offended me to type those 14 digits. |
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rangi |
heh |
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JoeLib001 |
Hahahaha! :-) |
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JoeLib001 |
I'm off to do something monotonous. Bye. :-) |
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rangi |
jcamins: fwiw all released versions to now are in the main repo, pre actual release is in the oldkoha and kumara repos |
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jcamins |
rangi: ah. I knew there was an oldkoha repo, didn't know what was in it. |
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rangi |
kumara is older than oldkoha |
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rangi |
however |
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rangi |
sup trea1 |
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trea1 |
hey rangi |
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rangi |
jcamins: http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/ <-- unified history |
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rangi |
4661 days |
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rangi |
with on average 3.8 commits per day |
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rangi |
thats INSANE |
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jcamins |
Wow. |
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jcamins |
That's impressive. |
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Morthland |
What's the system pref to disable the tag cloud on opac? |
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Morthland |
Found it. |
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rangi |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominio[…]her-own-ambulance <-- awesomesauce |
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magnuse |
g'night #koha |
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rangi |
night magnuse |
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mib_jtzy1e |
quick question about future development |
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mib_jtzy1e |
is there any talk about letting the opac link out to database articles and resource like a discovery interface? |
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rangi |
yep there has been discussion |
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rangi |
just would need someone to write an up and rfc and do it :) |
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rangi |
or pay someone to do it |
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