IRC log for #koha, 2012-06-17

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00:43 wajasu v3.8.0 - when i import a biblio via z3950 server (LOC) i usually have to specifiy the the koha item type. (usually book), but isn't that sor t of detail in the marc record? and doesn't koha leverage that? maybe a mapping of marc type to koha item type at timport?  or am i missing something?
00:44 talljoy yes, the item type is buried in the marc, but the import tool does not look for it.  Koha stores an itemtype in the 942$c field at the bibliorecord level.
00:45 talljoy i can see the value of leveraging that information as you say.  Koha refers to that marc leader item type in some of it's displays which can be a tad annoying if the type is different from what the library calls it
00:47 wajasu that leader 06 position?  maybe its too ambiguous.  but then we would need a  column in the item type table, which might already be there since i didn't look, that enables such a rule at import.
00:48 wajasu i'll scan the bug db to see if this has been suggested in the past.
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00:52 wajasu here is something related[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4814
00:52 huginn Bug 4814: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Item Type (MARC952 $c) not self-populating from imported OCLC bib
00:55 talljoy that's close, but refers more to the item level itemtype not populating.
00:57 talljoy i wonder if there is a reason that the 006 item type is not utilized.  curious.
01:12 wajasu i'll bring it up during the work week.  it could at least default when the tab is selected.
01:27 jcamins_away wajasu: talljoy: no, you cannot derive 942$c from the bib record.
01:28 jcamins_away It's a common misconception that item format as described by 006/008 is related to 942$c.
01:29 * jcamins_away wanders off.
01:31 jcamins_away If the two coincide for your data, you could do some sort of batch update, but it would not be general enough to include in Koha's import functionality.
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01:56 wajasu well, there you have it then.
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05:52 mib_tvzb2t hi
05:52 mib_tvzb2t someone there ?
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07:42 * cait waves
07:42 cait mle_imac: back at video editing?
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08:05 * magnuse waves
08:05 cait hi magnuse :)
08:05 magnuse guten morgen cait
08:06 cait working on a sunday?
08:06 magnuse yeah, trying to get some things done
08:07 magnuse you too?
08:08 cait yeah
08:08 cait some testing :)
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08:11 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.1, 3.6.5 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - | | General IRC Meeting 18 July 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0
08:11 mbalmer morning
08:12 magnuse hiya mbalmer
08:12 cait hi mbalmer
08:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #56 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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08:40 magnuse 3.8.2 nb-NO opac 100% translated!
08:40 rangi yay1
08:40 rangi ! even
08:40 cait yay!!
08:41 cait which reminds me...
08:41 cait but it's so boring!
08:59 magnuse the opac was quick - 15 strings at most
09:00 magnuse but yes, translating is not the most fun...
09:00 magnuse rangi: would you say 3.8.2 will be ready for production?
09:04 rangi nope
09:04 rangi id wait for 3.8.3 there are still problems with the calendar/holidays as well as a problem with fines
09:05 rangi fines are now calculated on return .. as well as with the cron job and seem to be doubling up, i think the calculate on return should be a syspref, and it should be made impossible to double up
09:06 magnuse hm, none of my customers use fines
09:06 rangi and there's nothing worse than charging peopel the wrong amount
09:06 magnuse yeah, that sux
09:06 rangi the calendar one would get you too
09:06 rangi it ignores holidays
09:06 magnuse not sure any of mine use that either
09:06 rangi you migth be ok then
09:08 magnuse guess i better upgrade my test install and give it a spin...
09:08 rangi :)
09:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #56: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/56/
09:10 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 7444: Update circ/ to use KohaDates TT Plugin"
09:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus
09:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #57 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:10 magnuse they will all be in holiday mode soon too :-)
09:11 magnuse \o/ success!
09:11 rangi[…]3fd920d677fe18da1
09:11 rangi you can see whats in 3.8.2 ( a few more might sneak in before release but not many)
09:13 rangi there are still some blockers/criticals
09:15 rangi bug 8253
09:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Fine doubling
09:15 rangi bug 8243
09:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8243 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , calendar being ignored
09:15 rangi bug 8110
09:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, savitra.sirohi, In Discussion , Fines accruing on closed days
09:15 rangi all need to be fixed before i could use 3.8.x anywhere
09:18 rangi[…]NOW&list_id=33398
09:18 rangi does that work?
09:22 cait nope
09:25 magnuse "There is no saved search named 'FIXME NOW'. "
09:25 * magnuse wanders off to breakfast
09:25 cait breakfast, now?
09:25 cait :P
09:44 rangi does that search show now?
09:45 cait no :(
09:45 cait really, bugzilla should make that easier
09:45 * slef wanders back from breakfast
09:45 cait hi slef
09:45 slef hi cait
09:49 mbalmer hi slef...
09:49 mbalmer see privmsg...
09:51 slef hi mbalmer, can't we talk about that in public?
09:51 mbalmer sure.
09:51 mbalmer I was asking slef about the availability of a vectorized Koha logo.
09:52 slef We will have one used on our banners and will publish it as soon as we've paid the designer.
09:52 slef I think there may be an earlier one around, used on Calyx's banner, but I need to email Irma to ask.
09:54 slef I think it's worth having that on the record :)
09:54 slef So we don't end up with maybe a third one being bought...
10:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #57: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/57/
10:00 jenkins_koha kyle: Bug 6141 - html glitches causing problems to translator - 3.8.x
10:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6141 minor, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , html glitches causing problems to translator
10:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #58 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:07 slef emailed Irma
10:21 mbalmer thx!
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10:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6875> / [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536> / [Bug 7127] Templates must be valid XHTML <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7127>
10:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #58: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/58/
10:51 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: First cut of the 3.8.2 release notes
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12:29 drojf ping dpavlin
12:31 slef @seen dpavlin
12:31 huginn slef: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <dpavlin> drojf1: depending on arch a bit, but yes for 1 process.
12:33 cait hi drojf :)
12:33 cait hi slef
12:33 slef err hello again cait
12:34 drojf hi cait and slef
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13:54 jcamins_mib cait++ # because in my little netsplit portion of the channel there is no one recording the karma I gave her earlier for testing
13:54 cait oh?
13:54 cait thx :)
13:54 cait still problems with your network?
13:54 jcamins_mib Nope. OFTC this time.
13:55 jcamins_mib gmcharlt, cjh, me, and jeff are all by ourselves.
13:57 cait interesting
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13:58 * jcamins_away figures out how to reconnect to the non-split server.
14:03 jcamins_away magnuse: FWIW, I'm not considering 3.8 until 3.8.4.
14:03 jcamins_away Those features I require are backported to 3.6.x.
14:04 cait :)
14:04 cait yeah, we will go with 3.6.x for now
14:04 cait until 3.8 is more stable in circ
14:11 neo__ hi
14:12 neo__ i am trying to install koha-3.8.1
14:12 neo__ while running perl Makefile.PL , i am getting one error
14:12 neo__ unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/local/src/koha-3.8.1/C4/ line 360.
14:12 neo__ any idea ?
14:17 cait hm
14:17 cait are you trying to update or trying to do a new installation?
14:20 jcamins_away neo__: you can ignore that error if you are doing a new installation.
14:21 cait jcamins++ :)
14:21 neo__ yes, i am doing a new installation
14:21 jcamins_away That reminds me.
14:21 jcamins_away I need to report a bug on how C4::Context handles itself.
14:21 neo__ ok
14:22 neo__ but in my test machine there is no error like this ,  now i am doing in a production machine
14:28 jcamins_away neo__: that's because you already installed Koha once?
14:28 jcamins_away (on the test machine)
14:29 neo__ yes, jcamins_away , i did it several times , by removing and dropping the database
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14:30 jcamins_away neo__: yes, the *very* first time you installed Koha, you would've gotten that error message.
14:30 jcamins_away It's completely harmless.
14:31 neo__ ohh... cool ,
14:31 neo__ thanks... jcamins_away
14:31 jcamins_away You're welcome.
14:31 jcamins_away Actually, I'm surprised this doesn't cause a problem for Plack.
14:32 neo__ ok
14:32 jcamins_away neo__: you can ignore my musings on the subject. Everything will work fine for you.
14:32 neo__ ok... , :)
14:35 * jcamins_away is just contemplating the reasons underlying the error, and what they say about how things are done in Koha.
14:35 * jcamins_away wonders whether Plack has access to anything more useful than environment variables.
14:35 cait hm
14:36 jcamins A pity dpavlin isn't around.
14:36 cait dpavlin
14:36 cait we can make his computer beep maybe :)
14:36 jcamins Other than, obviously, the fact that it's Sunday and he should go out and do something fun.
14:36 cait I think you could drop him an email
14:36 cait is is most of time logged in, but doesn't check too often on the channel
14:36 jcamins Yes, but not knowing the right terms would make it a hard to understand e-mail.
14:37 jcamins "I was wondering whether Plack has a doohickey that would allow us to use set_context without a KOHA_CONF environment variable."
14:37 cait ask him to drop by sometimes to talk about...X? :)
14:37 cait huh?
14:40 jcamins That was my point.
14:58 drojf jcamins: is there a gpg key for your 3.6 repository?
15:01 drojf sorry, i'm just blind
15:01 drojf found it
15:32 jcamins drojf: also, eythian said the oldstable distribution on is suitable for production use now.
15:38 drojf jcamins: i asked for my notes on the koha installation on raspberry pi where i used your repo. i should probably use oldstable for the wiki article then, but i dont know if there are the same problems that i had with 3.8 from k-c
15:39 jcamins Ah.
15:39 jcamins There shouldn't be.
15:39 jcamins The packages should be pretty much identical.
15:41 drojf ok
16:00 cait grrrrrr.
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16:22 drojf i probably missed some things that i did not wrote down but anyway[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi
16:22 drojf s/wrote/write
16:23 slef cait: /ctcp dpavlin PAGE ;-)
16:26 cait hm?
16:30 drojf cait: what are you angry about?
16:30 cait bugs
16:40 * cait files another bug report and sighs
16:40 cait bug 8259
16:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8259 major, P2, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , No longer possible to have multiple serial notices
16:41 cait args.
16:47 cait ok
16:47 cait mistested
16:47 cait I should stop
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18:42 jcamins Quinoa cakes = inspired
18:43 cait took apart my laptop and now I am missing one screw :(
18:43 cait like always
18:43 cait grr.
18:50 jcamins Isn't it usually an *extra* screw?
18:51 drojf that's ikea ;)
18:51 cait heh
18:51 cait yeah, quite sure they tricked me somewhere
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19:32 rangi Morning
19:33 jcamins Morning.
19:34 cait morning :)
19:35 * jcamins scratches his head and rereads the instructions for loading a bobbin into the sewing machine.
19:35 jcamins Do they *try* to make it hard to understand?
19:36 cait I don't even understand what you want to do
19:36 * jcamins either!
19:36 jcamins[…]n-insert-top-load
19:36 rangi I have a laurel for that
19:37 jcamins cait: did you attach a patch to the wrong bug? 7392 vs 7302?
19:37 cait wuit posible
19:37 cait I was missing one right now
19:37 rangi Hehe
19:38 rangi The downside of git bz
19:38 rangi Very easy to do that
19:38 cait jcamins: thx :)
19:38 cait 7392 should have been 7302
19:40 jcamins I did it! I think.
19:41 jcamins The bobbin is now in the sewing machine.
19:41 * rangi is hanging out for a flat white
19:41 cait first queston
19:41 cait first question?
19:41 cait oh
19:41 cait first question?
19:41 cait wahanui?
19:42 cait seems we are missing a bot here
19:42 cait jcamins: what are you trying to do?
19:42 jcamins He's probably still on the other server.
19:42 jcamins cait: fix the timing in this sewing machine.
19:43 rangi @later tell eythian can use restart wahanui please
19:43 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:45 rangi I resized my linode to get more disk space which needed a reboot
19:45 rangi New kernel too
19:46 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
19:47 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:47 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.1°C (9:45 PM CEST on June 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
19:47 rangi Nice day today
19:50 rangi My stop bbiab
19:51 jcamins Okay... when there's no cloth, the sewing machine seems to do fine.
19:53 jcamins It's hard to tell, because it's not like it's stitching anything.
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19:56 jcamins Okay, I managed to recreate the problem with the sewing machine turned off, and no fabric blocking my view.
19:56 jcamins This is good progress. :)
19:58 rangi back
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19:59 cait morning kathryn
20:00 kathryn good morning cait!
20:00 kathryn and hi all :)
20:00 * jcamins removes a piece from the sewing machine.
20:01 cait be careful, don't loose any screws
20:01 rangi heh
20:06 jcamins cait: or end up with extras.
20:06 cait heh
20:07 rangi hmm lots to catch up on
20:16 * jcamins reads about how sewing machines work.
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20:17 cait jcamins: I guess there is no guarantee on it?
20:17 cait ok
20:18 cait with indybranches
20:18 cait I should not be able to make a basket belong to another branch.. right?
20:18 jcamins cait: nope. It's out of warrantee, and it breaks if Shari ever goes more than a week without using it.
20:18 jcamins That is correct.
20:18 jcamins We'll be replacing it, I think.
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21:56 wajasu[…]or.beginners.html
22:01 jcamins So when I have the tension high enough for the stitches to work, the thread gets caught underneath the feed dogs.
22:05 rangi jcamins: oh speaking of Shari .. 184![…]0d677fe18da1#l612
22:06 jcamins Also, the tension does not appear to go up or down in any consistent way when I turn the tension dial.
22:06 jcamins rangi: yeah, I showed her. :)
22:07 rangi sweet :)
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