IRC log for #koha, 2012-06-16

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00:15 wajasu how much space does one need to build-git-snapshot   my VM is 5G with 2.8G used before I run it.
00:15 jcamins_away wajasu: I had to use --mirror because the default mirror wasn't working.
00:17 jcamins_away wajasu: 1.5G.
00:18 jcamins_away wajasu: just clear out /var/cache/pbuilder/build/*
00:19 wajasu its empty.  gets cleared at end when script bails
00:19 wajasu i have 1.8G available
00:39 wajasu ok. one more try.
00:43 wajasu cp: writing `debian/koha-common/usr/share/koha/misc/trans​lator/po/sq-AL-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po': No space left on device
00:43 wajasu maybe building the po files is too much.  koha-common
00:44 wajasu it the dh_install phase thats getting me.
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01:01 wajasu got further but Error:  Can't locate Cache/Memcached/ in @INC
01:02 wajasu wait. letme set by branch to the tag v3.08.01
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03:57 druthb o/
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05:25 Cybermon hello all.
05:26 Cybermon who have experience unicode indexing for koha ?
06:06 mbalmer hello koha
06:08 Cybermon hello
06:10 mtj Cybermon:  whats your Koha problem?
06:11 Cybermon i need some help for indexing
06:13 Cybermon do you know ?
06:15 mtj more info?
06:16 Cybermon okay. i would like to indexing by mongolian, russian and english for koha?
06:18 Cybermon what i should remind for install such as for Primary language for Zebra indexing (en, fr, nb)
06:19 mtj it makes no difference, i think...
06:20 Cybermon ok
06:20 Cybermon what should i do ?
06:21 mtj choose 'en'  ? :)
06:22 Cybermon okay.
06:22 mtj if it makes no difference... then choose the most common option...
06:22 mtj ... which is english
06:24 mtj Cybermon:  as far as i know, there is no option to select 'Primary language for Zebra indexing'
06:24 Cybermon ok.
06:24 Cybermon what about other language indexing ?
06:25 Cybermon may be i put some files for /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs ?
06:26 mtj you do not need to make any changes to zebra, to index other languages
06:27 mtj are you having a problem indexing non-english records?
06:27 Cybermon my problem is not works cyrillic indexing in koha
06:27 Cybermon yes. your right
06:28 Cybermon problem indexing non-english records ?
06:28 mtj you are getting errors when importing? or searching?
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06:29 Cybermon not searchable for opac
06:29 Cybermon when i search non-english records, opac show me all records for results
06:29 mtj can you give me an example?
06:30 mtj ... of a problem cyrillic title or author?
06:31 Cybermon i don't have now.
06:31 Cybermon sorry
06:39 mbalmer woa, I can create full text index on MARC records that takes into account the language of a book for the stemmer and stop words (in pg, that is).
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07:37 Oak kia ora #koha
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07:41 druthb kia ora, Oak and cait! :)
07:41 Oak hello druthb :)
07:41 Oak guten morgen cait
07:42 cait hi Oak and druthb
07:42 cait druthb: go to bed!
07:44 druthb no beds on the bus, cait.
07:45 cait ohoh
07:45 druthb wifi_on_buses++
07:45 cait yeah, that's a plus
07:49 cait hm
07:49 cait seems kohagit on twitter has been hacked
07:50 cait ah
07:50 cait someone noticed already
08:10 Oak hmm. someone paying attention to our wiki, then this twitter account. we must be famous or something huh.
08:13 cait not sure that's the reason
08:20 Oak back home cait
08:20 Oak ?/
08:21 cait yep
08:21 cait sadly
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08:30 mle_imac ahoy \koha
08:30 cait hi mle_imac :)
08:30 mle_imac[…]seToKohaUsingSolr  new video uploaded.
08:30 mle_imac hey cait, the wine seemed to work
08:30 cait heh
08:31 cait perhaps we should add the video links to the wiki too?
08:31 mle_imac i did Chris's one, but forgot to do this one
08:31 mle_imac ty for reminding me
08:31 cait ah I can :)
08:31 cait on the page already
08:32 mle_imac also be good to contact Stefano and ask for slides/ let him know about the video
08:33 mbalmer a question to librarians:  is it common to search for word suffixes, eg: 'ary' to find things like 'dictionary', 'plenary' etc?
08:33 cait mle_imac: maybe slef can, not sure I have the email addresses
08:35 cait mle_imac: can we upload jared's video with the others maybe?
08:35 cait he was te one who did the remote presentation
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08:42 druthb rest stop, I think...back in a bit.
09:32 mle_imac cait I expect so. I dont have it yet, I expect slef to send me a disk of video to work on
09:33 cait :)
10:36 drojf1 hi #koha
10:37 cait morning drojf1 :)
10:37 cait it's weekend - got the koha bug? ;)
10:37 drojf1 altogether i a more often here on weekends than during the week i think ;)
10:37 cait I don't dare to look at my online time
10:38 drojf1 heh
10:38 drojf1 better not
10:38 drojf1 koha runs on my raspberry pi ;)
10:38 mle hi droif1
10:38 drojf1 hey mle
10:38 rangi nice!
10:38 rangi drojf1: gonna do a blogpost about it?
10:38 rangi id love to link it for the newsletter
10:39 cait ^^
10:39 drojf1 rangi: i wanted to write all down while i install it but had some problems and then did not all documentation until the end, but i wanted to do this somehow this weekend
10:40 drojf1 i wonder if it would explode with plack :D
10:40 drojf1 but it's really slow, just a proof of concept. a search takes almost 30 seconds ;)
10:40 rangi yep, i wouldnt expect it to be fast
10:40 drojf1 i'll make a backup of the sd card now and try to upgrade to 3.8 and see what happens
10:41 rangi sweet
10:41 drojf1 or maybe do shopping first, the rain just stopped
10:41 drojf1 scottish weather here
10:43 cait sunny here
10:44 cait :)
10:44 drojf1 southern states :P
10:44 cait heh
10:45 drojf1 @wunder berlin, germany
10:45 huginn drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (12:43 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
10:45 cait @wunder Konstanz
10:45 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 25.6°C (12:40 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
10:45 cait only a slight difference :P
10:45 drojf1 wow summery down there
10:45 cait yep, met lots of scottish dressed women and girls in town yesterday
10:45 cait short skirts ;)
10:46 cait brrr
10:46 cait probably temperature is a relative thing
10:47 rangi @wunder nzwn
10:47 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (10:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
10:49 cait brrrr
10:49 cait you win
10:49 drojf1 "win"
10:49 drojf1 ;)
10:49 cait everything is relative..
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11:02 mbalmer a question to librarians:  is it common to search for word suffixes, eg: 'ary' to find things like 'dictionary', 'plenary' etc?
11:02 wahanui i already had it that way, mbalmer.
11:02 mbalmer (second try ;)
11:04 cait not sure if it's common
11:04 drojf1 not a librarian but i doubt that normal people search like that often. you will probably catch more librarians during the week than on weekends
11:04 cait it's not an easy question
11:04 cait I think the question here is more: is it common to do left truncated searches
11:04 mbalmer droj1, good hint with the weekdays...
11:04 cait and I would thinkg htat the ability to do so is wanted
11:05 cait and is needed for rtl languages like hebrew or arabic
11:05 mbalmer interesting aspect.
11:10 mbalmer and a challenge...
11:10 wahanui a challenge is probably that I would like to be able to specify that there has to be an exact match, except 'u's and 'v's can be interchangeable, as can be 'i's and 'j's.
11:18 Oak cait are you free?
11:18 jcamins_away mbalmer: no.
11:19 Oak magnuse
11:19 mbalmer thx
11:20 jcamins mbalmer: having left truncation would be cool, but since no software supports it, no one uses it.
11:20 cait Oak: preparing lunch. but around :)
11:21 Oak ah okay. what are you making?
11:21 cait hm
11:21 cait sweet potato chips
11:21 cait in theory
11:21 Oak hehe
11:21 cait first time I ever cook with sweet potato :)
11:21 Oak got it
11:21 cait but found them in the supermarket yesterday...
11:21 jcamins cait: you've never made sweet potato gnocchi?!?
11:22 cait jcamins: guilty
11:22 mbalmer jcamins, I am experimenting with indexing (follow up to my marc datatype work) and I am trying to get left truncation support…  a bit hairy, yet.
11:24 jcamins cait: for future reference, rtl languages like Hebrew and Arabic actually use left truncation less than languages like English. :)
11:27 jcamins Yet one more example of the Western bias in technical terminology.
11:27 cait ah?
11:27 wahanui i heard ah was ?
11:27 cait did I confuse directions or is it a language thing?
11:28 cait maybe my problem are western librairans searching hebrew :)
11:29 cait or not my, but the
11:29 cait I didn't really get reports about that
11:29 jcamins cait: in a right-to-left language, left truncation is used for the type of search mbalmer described.
11:30 cait hm
11:30 cait there are reasons I have no driving license
11:30 cait I am already confused by all the lefts and rights :)
11:31 jcamins cait: no, you were right to think that it should be the other way around.
11:31 jcamins cait: it just isn't.
11:33 cait aha
11:37 mbalmer it's also true that the british don't drive on the right side.
11:37 drojf1 the raspi does not like to import my 32mb of test data. i run out of memory and import fails :D
11:37 drojf1 but 3.8 works
11:38 jcamins mbalmer: in both senses of the word.
11:38 cait drojf1: heh :)
11:39 drojf1 i guess indexing this would take weeks anyway
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11:46 jcamins cait: new patch for bug 8256.
11:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8256 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Reports webservice should allow selection by name
11:47 jcamins Whoops.
11:47 jcamins I had meant that to be the first line in the message, not the subject of the attachment.
11:48 cait hm?
11:49 jcamins cait: the attachment on bug 8256.
12:11 cait ah I see it now :)
12:11 cait I am about to do a follow up for the multi line comments patch
12:12 cait when I have that in bugzilla I  can go back to the reports webservice :)
12:12 jcamins :)
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12:24 cait jcamins: cross fingers... testing webservice again ;)
12:24 jcamins :)
12:25 jcamins I much prefer doing work on the authorities code... I understand that.
12:25 cait heh
12:25 cait ok
12:25 cait still a questoin
12:26 cait what is the type column on the saved reports page?
12:26 jcamins Type column?
12:26 cait yep
12:26 cait if you look at saved reports, there is type
12:26 cait I never before noticed it and have no idea
12:27 jcamins I have no idea.
12:28 cait ok
12:28 cait :)
12:28 cait I accept that answer
12:28 jcamins However, it's in master, too.
12:28 cait and I am also signing off on your patch :)
12:28 wahanui okay, cait.
12:28 cait lol
12:28 cait and?
12:28 wahanui well, and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ?
12:28 cait and I?
12:28 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :)
12:28 cait lol
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12:29 cait hi tcohen
12:29 tcohen hi cait
12:29 jcamins lol
12:31 cait jcamins: wahanui stole your patch ;)
12:31 jcamins cait: I saw.
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13:11 magnuse huh? when you "Create report from SQL" you can choose "Type", but not when you edit it later?
13:11 jcamins magnuse: any idea what type is for?
13:11 magnuse not really
13:12 jcamins Ah, tabular, matrix, or summary.
13:12 magnuse Tabular, Summary or Matrix are the options
13:12 jcamins With matrix and summary not being implemented.
13:12 magnuse but only Tabular is available, to be chosen?
13:13 cait yeah
13:13 cait the others were never implemented
13:13 cait and instead of showing tabular
13:13 cait we show 1 on the summary...
13:13 cait *sigh*
13:13 magnuse this reminds me i was toying with the idea of making it possible to create a template for displaying a report...
13:14 magnuse oh well, i gotta run some errands...
13:14 magnuse @wunder boo
13:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
13:14 magnuse w00t!
13:14 * magnuse runs off
13:15 cait magnuse: you should talk to marijana - she wanted something like that
13:16 jcamins I was thinking it would be nice to provide a wizard that uses javascript graphing libraries.
13:19 jcamins This mango took almost a week to ripen, and it's _still_ not entirely ripe.
13:20 cait :(
13:21 jcamins Should still be tasty enough.
13:22 cait what are you making with it?
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13:33 jcamins Smoothie. :)
13:37 cait :)
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14:56 mbalmer_ slef, ayt?
14:56 mbalmer_ ah crap, not even logged in... ;)
15:03 dpavlin mbalmer_: you can use @later tell nick some text
15:03 mbalmer_ hi dobrica, thanks.  but I just saw that slef is logged in...
15:04 dpavlin that doesn't garantee anything, as you know from my example :-)
15:04 mbalmer_ yes, those screen sessions, I know :)
15:05 cait later tell will give him the message next time he says something
15:05 cait so still works when you are logged in I think
15:05 mbalmer_ cool feature.
15:05 dpavlin cait: I have some Test::WWW::Mechanize examples for create/remove user at[…]dap/browse/t/koha
15:06 dpavlin would it make sense to move them to wiki or even master ?
15:07 jcamins dpavlin: would be very useful on the wiki.
15:08 cait dpavlin: growl
15:08 cait I have spent all afternoon trying to get the existing script work for me :(
15:08 dpavlin mbalmer_: I wrote multi-protocol bots using redis before:
15:08 dpavlin but this one is not mine, and I would love to know all commands. @help?
15:09 mbalmer_ the only irc bots I wrote are in C.
15:09 dpavlin mbalmer_: It's perl, don't click!
15:09 mbalmer_ (like most of my software)
15:10 dpavlin mbalmer_: but perl is tiny:;a=tree;f=scripts (safe to click, no perl code on page :-)
15:10 mbalmer_ Perl is fine.
15:11 mbalmer_ I just come from another corner, Unix kernel developer.  Perl is impractical there...
15:13 wajasu ok. got my VM to build koha-common for v3.08.01.  not that i need to, but now i understand what it takes with pbuilder and space needs.
15:17 * jcamins scratches his head.
15:18 jcamins Why are my watchers going out of scope so thoroughly?
15:19 drojf1 "CataloguingLog: [Log|Don't log] any changes to bibliographic or item records. Since this occurs whenever a book is checked in or out as well, it is not advisable to turn this on." <- why is this enabled by default then?
15:19 jcamins That is inaccurate.
15:20 jcamins A) it hasn't been true since 3.2 and B) people expect cataloguing to be logged.
15:20 * jcamins thinks B) is more important here.
15:21 mbalmer_ so it's only the text that should be changed?
15:21 jcamins Right.
15:21 mbalmer_ low hanging fruit, drojf1...
15:22 drojf1 low hanging kitten :D
15:22 mbalmer_ speaking of, do we have any good recipes?
15:23 drojf1 for the cats?
15:23 mbalmer_ sure.  I don't like them raw...
15:24 jcamins I don't get it.
15:24 drojf1 you could try to batter them and fry, like a mars bar
15:27 jcamins diff tells me that these are almost identical.
15:31 * jcamins mutters angrily about the inelegance of running fork in a loop.
15:32 jcamins Ah-ha.
15:32 jcamins Mystery solved.
15:33 jcamins sub{ } produces an anonymous routine with lexical scope.
15:33 jcamins \*sub{ } removes the lexical scoping.
15:34 * mbalmer_ thinks perl is really rather an illness than a programming language...
15:35 jcamins mbalmer_: threading is much more pleasant in C, I will give you that.
15:35 drojf1 (17:09:10) mbalmer_: Perl is fine.
15:35 drojf1 you are sending mixed messages
15:35 mbalmer_ I know, I know....
15:35 * jcamins mutters angrily about fork, and $self not existing.
15:36 * cait hands jcamins a fork
15:37 mbalmer_ heh ;)
15:38 * cait gets a new fork to eat her noodle salad
15:38 jcamins Okay, let's think this through.
15:39 jcamins Is there any way to get around the fact that $self->whatever() is actually a shorthand for whatever($self)?
15:40 jcamins Maybe some sort of symbol table black magic?
15:43 dpavlin jcamins: remove AUTOLOAD from C4::Context?
15:43 * dpavlin hides
15:44 * dpavlin takes a peek to see where jcamins fork is
15:44 jcamins dpavlin: no, the problem is my AnyEvent callback.
15:45 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "$self is not defined when the $cb->recv is called in outside this SUB" (5 lines) at
15:46 jcamins dpavlin: I could fix it by just forking and adding a ->recv to each object, but that is inelegant.
15:47 dpavlin I did just a tiny bit of AnyEvent work, and it left me with dried mouth
15:47 jcamins And...
15:47 jcamins That's just weird.
15:47 cait dpavlin: is that good or bad?
15:48 jcamins \* does not do what I thought.
15:48 dpavlin cait: depends, now I have to get a glass of water :-) I don't know, I can use it but I don't enjoy it.
15:49 jcamins Oh, fine.
15:49 * jcamins grumbles, and puts in fork.
15:50 dpavlin cait: and \* is really just like it looks -- you shouldn't have-to-have it in your code :-)
15:52 jcamins And the fork didn't work.
15:54 * cait hands jcamins another fork and dpavlin a glass of water
15:54 cait does anyone want some noodle salad?
15:55 * mbalmer_ hands cait a copy of "The UNIX Haters Handbook"...
15:55 cait ah no thx
15:55 cait I am still stuck with modern perl
15:55 jcamins Ummm... why was I doing things with waitpid recently?
15:55 jcamins Ah, of course.
15:55 jcamins My release-tool.
15:58 jcamins And it doesn't work with fork, either.
15:59 jcamins Wait, yes it does.
16:01 jcamins No, it doesn't.
16:03 jcamins However, this is a different problem.
16:07 * cait wills her bash script to work
16:07 * jcamins wills his indexer daemon to work.
16:09 * mbalmer_ wills his PostgreSQL indexer to work
16:13 cait ok
16:13 cait does it work for anyone else?
16:13 cait because it does not work for me :(
16:14 jcamins Nope.
16:16 cait *sigh*
16:16 * cait tries wiling jcamin's indexer to work
16:16 * jcamins wills cait's bash script to work.
16:17 cait heh
16:18 * mle casts willpower +100
16:18 jcamins Well, go figure.
16:19 jcamins dpavlin's suggestion of removing AUTOLOAD from C4::Context may be the needed one.
16:20 jcamins ... huh?
16:20 * jcamins figures out the problem.
16:21 cait mle++
16:23 * dpavlin official gone to watch YAPC::NA videos he missed at[…]9DDF&feature=plcp
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16:35 jcamins Okay, the indexer daemon now works great. :)
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17:59 drojf1 dpavlin: will the plack opac described here[…]lack#Running_OPAC work with a deb package installation of 3.8.1?
18:01 dpavlin drojf1: OPAC should work, I don't think we need aditional patches for OPAC since biblibre is using this in production.
18:02 mbalmer_ plack is essentially FastCGI, right?
18:02 drojf1 it was ~60mb more ram, right?
18:06 cait ok, I need help with http::recorder
18:06 cait it just won't and won't work for me
18:06 cait not for intranet
18:06 dpavlin mbalmer_: yap. with web-server-independent layer and server written under that
18:06 mbalmer_ sweet
18:06 dpavlin drojf1: depending on arch a bit, but yes for 1 process.
18:08 jcamins You have to tell the SOCKS proxy not to ignore localhost.
18:09 cait ok
18:09 cait I was trying it with chromium
18:09 cait and firefox
18:09 cait in chromium you can't tell it to ignore anything
18:09 cait and the socks thing breaks everything
18:10 cait can we do this step by step for stupi dwith firefox maybe?
18:11 jcamins Oh, figured it out.
18:11 jcamins I gave you wrong instructions.
18:11 cait hmpf?!
18:11 jcamins Use Firefox, set the *HTTP Proxy* and clear out the "No proxy for" box.
18:11 cait let me restart the  browser and try it again
18:12 cait I put localhost into the http-proxy?
18:13 jcamins Yes.
18:13 cait I can't reach localhost now
18:13 jcamins Provided you are running http-recorder on the same system you are using the web browser on.
18:13 cait yes
18:13 cait all the same system, nothing virtual or remote
18:14 cait ok
18:14 cait now I can't open anything
18:14 cait intranet, opac or google
18:15 jcamins This is my configuration:
18:16 cait it worked during the hackfest... but not here
18:16 cait and durng the hackfest it didn't work for intranet
18:16 cait aha
18:16 cait
18:17 cait AHA!
18:17 jcamins That fixed it? :)
18:17 cait yes
18:17 cait at least a little success
18:17 mbalmer_ ::1, fwiw ;)
18:18 cait jcamins: so... if we can find out why the other script is not working... this day would not be a total waste
18:18 jcamins :)
18:22 cait jcamins: gues
18:22 cait s
18:22 cait the script just ran through
18:22 cait with all tests ok
18:22 cait for the first time
18:22 cait and I haven't changed anything
18:22 mbalmer_ cait++
18:22 cait jcamins: the proxy needs to be turned on while I run it?
18:23 jcamins Nope.
18:23 cait mysterious.
18:24 cait jcamins: can I out your screenshot in the wiki?
18:24 cait my firefox is german
18:27 * cait pokes jcamins
18:29 jcamins Sure.
18:37 cait and now it stopped working???
18:37 * cait curses
18:40 cait life is not fair
18:43 cait hm ok, http:recorder didn't run
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18:49 drojf1 Mem:    223348k total
18:49 drojf1 Swap:  7807552k total  <- yeah, external swap :D
18:51 cait still working on your rasperry pi? :)
18:51 drojf1 yes. i want plack ;)
18:51 cait :)
18:52 drojf1 meh, antisocial neighbour is back with bad music
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