IRC log for #koha, 2012-06-05

Time	Nick	Message
00:31	jcamins_away	chris_n: congratulations!
00:32	* jcamins_away	is in Lawrence, KS. :)
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01:10	Oak	\o
01:48	wajasu	whilst running my automated preseed squeeze + koha 3.8.1 (koha-common), i have the "koha 3.2-3.4 upgrade notice" that is always shown. now if i could get that to be ignored so my vm builder script would run through without any prompt, I would be happy.
01:48	wajasu	preseed.cfg as in debian installer.
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01:59	mtompset	Greetings, #koha folk.
02:03	Oak	hello :)
02:06	mtompset	Hi, Oak. :)
02:06	mtompset	I'm using Koha 3.6.3, what version do you use, Oak?
02:07	Oak	i use 3.6.4
02:09	mtompset	I think I found a bug in moremember.pl, but I'm not sure what else to look for in bugzilla.
02:09	wizzyrea	what bug?
02:09	wahanui	bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
02:10	mtompset	$error may be undefined.
02:10	mtompset	Near the top, $error is set to a CGI parameter.
02:11	mtompset	Then later on, past a subroutine in the middle of the code (YUCK!) it is used to build a key for the template.
02:11	mtompset	The C4::Template catches the error and generates an error log entry.
02:11	wizzyrea	seems likely there's not a bug for something like that - unless it causes a functional issue it probably wouldn't be reported
02:11	mtompset	A value without a key.
02:12	mtompset	[Mon Jun 04 11:50:36 2012] [error] [client 192.168.100.2] [Mon Jun 4 11:50:36 2012] moremember.pl: Problem = a value of 1 has been passed to param without key at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 186.
02:13	Oak	i think you should file a bug report... later on, then some other issues pops up because of this, then your bug report will save someone's time instead of hunting it down...
02:13	mtompset	I always have a hard time determining what to categorize the bug as.
02:14	mtompset	I mean component.
02:14	Oak	you can always ask here. wizzyrea is here so we can ask her...
02:14	mtompset	This isn't really a Template error.
02:15	mtompset	What would moremembers.pl be component-wise?
02:16	mtompset	Staff client?
02:16	wahanui	Staff client is for the staff in the library, OPAC is for patrons
02:22	wizzyrea	circulation
02:22	wahanui	circulation is really much faster with that... But also display of biblios with many items......
02:22	wizzyrea	sorry was afk a moment
02:37	mtompset	Not a problem.
02:37	mtompset	I followed the bug further back...
02:37	mtompset	Found this:
02:38	mtompset	$input->redirect("/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?borrowernumber=$borrowernumber") : $input->redirect("/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=$borrowernumber") ; exit; # You can only send 1 redirect! After that, content or other headers don't matter.
02:38	mtompset	If someone put a comment there, then why didn't someone clean it up?
02:39	mtompset	That's from memberentry.pl around line 366.
02:40	mtompset	It's the only line that refers to moremember.pl
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03:09	mtompset	Hmmm.... noticed a potentially larger problem...
03:09	mtompset	grep moremember.pl `find . -name '*pl'`
03:10	mtompset	I just noticed some pass bornum.
03:10	mtompset	Some pass borrowernumber
03:10	mtompset	And only some pass error.
03:36	mtompset	Ah... It's an older bug, I think.
03:36	mtompset	bug 7360
03:37	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7360 critical, P3, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Stable , Importing a SQL file for frameworks based on Default Framework deletes the default framework
03:37	mtompset	Oops...
03:37	mtompset	bug 7630
03:37	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7630 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Warning on moremember.pl about param without key
03:40	mtompset	And I believe the same solution will also solve 7352
03:41	mtompset	but 7352
03:41	mtompset	bug 7352
03:41	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7352 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , moremember.pl generates error in Template.pm related to missing $key value
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04:41	Oak	Guten Morgen cait :)
04:41	cait	good morning Oak :)
04:42	Oak	everything okay there in Edinburgh?
04:43	cait	yep
04:43	Oak	good.
04:43	mtompset	Good day, to both of you. :)
04:44	Oak	:) and to you
04:44	cait	hi mtompset
04:46	mtompset	So, how is a bug assigned to someone? Do they take it, or is it automatically assigned?
04:46	cait	they do take it
04:46	cait	if a bug is still marked NEW than noone is working on it
04:47	mtompset	:(
04:47	cait	hm or so it hsould be, but it sometimes hard to tell because people forget
04:47	cait	are we tlaking about a specific bug?
04:47	mtompset	I've encountered a bug that was reported back in March.
04:47	mtompset	bug 7352
04:47	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7352 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , moremember.pl generates error in Template.pm related to missing $key value
04:48	mtompset	bug 7630
04:48	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7630 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Warning on moremember.pl about param without key
04:48	mtompset	different modules called moremember.pl
04:48	mtompset	But the bug fix, should be the same.
04:49	cait	perhaps you could provide a patch? :)
04:49	mtompset	Of course, I didn't check out any template files which might break as a result of the change I suggested.
04:49	cait	we could help you with that
04:51	mtompset	Well, in moremember.pl around line 446....
04:51	cait	I think it's only a warn maybe, so not really a but
04:51	cait	but tidying the logs is a good idea
04:51	mtompset	but it could be fixed.
04:51	cait	I did some patches for the opac a while ago
04:51	cait	lots of things could be fixed
04:51	mtompset	around 446 there is a massive $template->param()
04:52	mtompset	if the '$error => 1' was split out.
04:52	mtompset	into a seperate $template->param($error => 1) if $error;
04:52	mtompset	less error logs.
04:53	cait	but maybe unhappy templates, not sure
04:53	cait	sorry, just woke up :)
04:53	cait	I would suggest sending in a patch
04:53	mtompset	True...
04:53	mtompset	nice thought, but I don't know how to: generate a patch, send a patch, etc.
04:54	mtompset	and I haven't gone looking at the template file(s) yet.
04:56	cait	that we can help you with :)
04:57	cait	and there are tutorials on a wiki, it's really not hard
04:57	mtompset	only reference to error is [% IF ( error ) %]
04:57	cait	the hard part is knowing what goes wrong
04:57	mtompset	How is that evaluated if error is undefined?
04:58	mtompset	And what if error is empty?
04:58	mtompset	where is patch tutorials
04:58	mtompset	where is patch
04:58	cait	git?
04:58	wahanui	i guess patch is pretty old now, good luck
04:58	wahanui	rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git
05:00	cait	hm there is also http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eptance/Rejection
05:01	cait	if you have a git installation, we can walk you through it the first time
05:01	mtompset	Let me see... I think I have a git version lying around here somewhere...
05:01	mtompset	(hunting through VMs)
05:06	mtompset	I think it is this one... (wait for the boot)
05:06	cait	ok
05:06	cait	basically
05:06	cait	you update to latest master with a git pull
05:06	mtompset	done that.
05:06	cait	then you want a new branch to work on for your patch (never work on master branch)
05:06	mtompset	(before)
05:06	cait	git branch -b <yournameofchoice>
05:06	cait	then you work work work....
05:06	cait	and test
05:07	mtompset	That's my problem...
05:07	cait	and then git add <changed file>
05:07	cait	git commit
05:07	mtompset	Don't have data to test.
05:07	cait	and you are almost done
05:07	cait	you could use the sample data
05:07	cait	we have sample patrons that can be loaded on install
05:08	mtompset	okay... so, recap:
05:08	mtompset	create a branch: git branch -b my_shiny_new_bughunt_related_to_7630
05:08	mtompset	then I tweak moremember.pl
05:08	mtompset	then I test.
05:09	mtompset	(that's going to be the harder part)
05:09	mtompset	then I git add moremember.pl
05:09	mtompset	(do i have to do full path?)
05:09	cait	relative
05:09	cait	git status will show you
05:09	cait	which files you have changed and the paths
05:10	rangi	git checkout -b branchname
05:10	mtompset	and if all the tests seem good.
05:10	rangi	is what i do
05:10	cait	oh right
05:10	cait	typo
05:10	cait	sorry
05:10	cait	thx for catching that rangi :)
05:10	rangi	git branch will make the branch, but you wont be on it it, git checkout -b makes the branchand puts you on it in one go
05:10	mtompset	git checkout -b {mybranchname choice}
05:11	rangi	yep
05:11	rangi	that is shorthand for
05:11	rangi	git branch mybranchname
05:11	rangi	git checkout mybranchname
05:11	mtompset	instead of or in addition to git branch?
05:11	rangi	instead of
05:11	mtompset	oh okay...
05:11	mtompset	so git branch -b newbranch
05:12	mtompset	git checkout newbranch
05:12	mtompset	is the same as
05:12	mtompset	git checkout -b newbranch
05:12	rangi	the -b doesnt work with git branch
05:12	rangi	cait typoed
05:12	cait	yeah, sleepy cait :)
05:12	rangi	but otherwise yes
05:12	mtompset	okay, but less the -b, those two commands and the same as the one?
05:12	rangi	checkout -b is a shortcut
05:12	mtompset	Okay good.
05:13	rangi	and you can specify the branch you want to create it from
05:13	rangi	git checkout -b newbranch master
05:13	mtompset	is there a 3.6.3 branch? ;)
05:13	rangi	will create a branch, based on master, and check it out
05:13	rangi	there is a 3.6.3 tag
05:13	cait	mtompset: there is but you want to create patches on master
05:13	cait	from master...
05:14	rangi	but you always want to be writing patches against master
05:14	rangi	so they will apply
05:14	cait	and they will get from there into the lower versions :)
05:14	rangi	then the release maintainer
05:14	rangi	which is jcamins_away for 3.6.x.
05:14	cait	ok, i will let rangi explain and get ready for the day :)
05:14	rangi	will pull it back
05:14	mtompset	okay... so... recap from the top
05:14	rangi	and ill do the same for the 3.8.x branch
05:15	mtompset	git checkout -b newbranch
05:15	mtompset	tweak moremember.pl
05:15	mtompset	do some testing
05:15	mtompset	everything works
05:15	mtompset	git add moremember.pl
05:15	rangi	git commit
05:15	mtompset	Right?
05:16	rangi	write a nice commit message, starting with Bug bugnumber
05:16	rangi	and you have your first commit
05:16	rangi	from there
05:16	wahanui	from there is no trend
05:16	rangi	you can make a patch
05:16	rangi	git format-patch origin/master
05:17	rangi	(that says write a patch from this commit that will reply on the upstream master)
05:17	mtompset	origin/master?
05:17	mtompset	why not origin or master?
05:17	rangi	master is your local copy
05:17	rangi	origin/master is specify the mster branch from origin (upstream)
05:18	rangi	it's a good way to make sure you are making the patch against the write branch
05:18	mtompset	oh, so the git commit doesn't hit the git repo at origin?
05:19	rangi	nope
05:19	rangi	distributed version control ftw
05:19	rangi	it makes a commit locally
05:19	mtompset	WHEW
05:19	mtompset	That is like my biggest fear.
05:19	mtompset	I don't want to commit up to the source repo.
05:20	rangi	yep, you cant
05:21	rangi	even if you wanted to
05:21	rangi	:)
05:21	mtompset	For once in my life, I'm glad I can't do that. :)
05:21	rangi	ok, im gonna go start my day too
05:21	mtompset	Thanks for the help.
05:21	mtompset	Have a good day (24 hour period).
05:22	Oak	good luck rangi and cait
05:22	Oak	have fun
05:23	Oak	mtompset++
05:24	mtompset	Thanks, Oak.
05:24	mtompset	I suppose this is a "Don't ask why" thing? ;)
05:24	Oak	yup :)
05:28	mtompset	I see the bug location has moved in the master... someone else got annoyed with a subroutine in the middle of the code flow. :)
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05:38	vkm	hello all
05:39	vkm	is there any performance related difference if we install koha on server edition of ubuntu and desktop edition of ubuntu
05:40	mtompset	don't know... sorry
05:49	cait	@wunder EDI
05:49	huginn`	cait: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 8.9Â°C (6:48 AM BST on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 6.0Â°C. Windchill: 9.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
05:56	mtompset	What is dew point?
05:56	mtompset	@wunder MNL
05:56	huginn`	mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0Â°C (1:00 PM PHT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
06:24	mtompset	Ah, I discovered the answer to one of my former questions: Variables that have not been assigned a value, either with DEFAULT or SET, are considered to be false (the value of an undefined variable is an empty string).
06:24	mtompset	http://my.safaribooksonline.co[…]rltt-chp-4-sect-5
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06:24	mtompset	Greetings, matts.
06:25	matts	hello mtompset !
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06:27	mtompset	What timezone are you in matts?
06:27	matts	Hum... Dunno, the Edimburg one ? :)
06:28	matts	It's 7:30 am right now
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06:32	mtompset	Ah, so you are attending KohaCon?
06:33	cait-m_	waves
06:35	mtompset	Hi, cait-m_
06:35	mtompset	Why the -m_?
06:37	cait-m_	on phone :-)
06:37	matts	yes, i am !
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06:38	reiveune	hello
06:38	wahanui	hey, reiveune
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06:48	mtompset	hello reiveune
06:48	reiveune	hi mtompset :)
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06:52	drojf	good monring #koha
06:53	drojf	morning even
06:53	mtompset	good day (24 hour period) drojf.
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06:54	mtompset	Am I to presume that you are at KohaCon as well, drojf?
06:54	drojf	hi mtompset. you're right
06:55	mtompset	How many attendees are supposed to be there?
06:55	drojf	last ragistration numbers i read were 80 i think, and 38 for the hackfest. but that was a few days ago
06:56	mtompset	that's quite a few people.
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06:58	cait-m_	breakfast time
06:58	* drojf	smells bacon too
06:58	mtompset	breakfast can be defined as the first meal of the day.
06:58	mtompset	This means if you don't eat until 5pm, that's breakfast.
06:59	mtompset	It also helps you time travel. ;)
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06:59	drojf	lol
07:01	drojf	"we feel it appropriate that saywear is worn in the dining room".
07:01	drojf	hmmkay :D
07:01	drojf	daywear ervem
07:01	drojf	narf
07:01	drojf	too clumsy in the morning
07:03	drojf	off to breakfast
07:03	* slef	finishes breakfast
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07:31	mtompset	$lang = undef unless first { $_ eq $lang } @languages;
07:31	mtompset	I hate this line of code.
07:32	mtompset	double negatives hurt my brain.
07:39	mtj	mtompset: to me, thats not a double-negative....
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07:43	mtj	$lang = undef unless first { $_ ne $lang } @languages;
07:43	mtj	...thats a double-negative? ;)
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08:00	mtompset	in my mind it is...
08:00	mtompset	unless = !if
08:02	Oak	Ahoy me hearties
08:05	mtompset	Hmmm... pirate Oak?
08:07	Oak	:)
08:08	mtompset	Do you play XBox at all?
08:08	mtompset	Your comment made me think of "Age of Booty"
08:09	Oak	nope. don't have it.
08:09	Oak	and i have not played video games in ages...
08:10	Oak	I used to play Age of Empires II with friends a long time ago... good days
08:10	mtompset	Then what caused the pirate greeting?
08:10	Oak	sigh
08:10	Oak	too many questions mtompset :)
08:11	Oak	just to make people smile i guess
08:11	mtompset	Okay... I get it.
08:11	Oak	a simple hello is fine... but sometime i try different ...
08:11	Oak	stuff
08:11	Oak	:)
08:11	mtompset	Sorry, I start thinking of lots of questions when I'm bu hunting.
08:11	mtompset	^bu^bug^
08:11	Oak	oh no worries
08:11	Oak	you are doing fine here
08:12	mtompset	This moremember.pl bug I encountered seems to have generated several related bug reports.
08:12	mtompset	some more related than oters.
08:12	mtompset	^oters^others^
08:13	Oak	:) your Perl knowledge is good I think (I "think"... because I don't know Perl myself). And you can help Koha a lot.
08:13	mtompset	You a librarian type then and less of a programmer type?
08:14	Oak	i'm a web developer actually, and did my MLIS just now (project report pending)...
08:15	mtompset	so you prefer PHP?
08:15	mtompset	ASP?
08:15	Oak	well, we use Joomla/CSS/HTML mainly.
08:16	mtompset	Ah, okay.
08:16	mtompset	With Koha integrated?
08:16	mtompset	or at least linked in?
08:17	Oak	just did my first Koha installation for a university's management science department library (as my MLIS project). so you can say i'm new to Koha.
08:18	Oak	http://koha-library.uaar.edu.pk/
08:18	mtompset	That's about where I am... though, I dont have any library credentials.
08:18	Oak	it will be linked to university's website soon. not finished yet. i don't like some color combination. plus need some content some links.
08:19	Oak	you'll get there :)
08:22	* Oak	goes to the kitchen
08:29	* mtompset	hopes it isn't for a huge knife. ;)
08:31	mtompset	Hello, matts.
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08:31	matts	hi
08:31	mtompset	Are you at KohaCon?
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08:32	mtompset	(sorry if I asked before, my memory is shot :) )
08:36	matts	mtompset, yes, we are !
08:36	matts	we're waiting for the event to start...
08:37	clrh	hello
08:37	wahanui	privet, clrh
08:37	* Oak	hands matts popcorn
08:38	matts	popcorn ! yay ! :)
08:39	mtompset	popcorn.
08:40	mtompset	Doesn't stay tasty over the IRC connection.
08:41	* mtompset	grins.
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08:44	alex_a	bonjour
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08:48	nengard	morning all
08:49	* rangi	clocks in from the conference
08:49	ibeardslee	luggage arrived yet?
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08:50	ibeardslee	eythian: did you send your luggage on an extended holiday as well?
08:50	eythian	No, mine went the normal way
08:50	eythian	i.e., the same way I went
08:51	rangi	ibeardslee: nope its apparently in heathrow tho
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08:51	cait	hi #koha
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08:52	clrh	cait: :)
08:52	rangi	where is clrh sitting?
08:53	clrh	here
08:53	jransom	hi everyone - hope you have a great day :)
08:53	matts	^^
08:54	clrh	test
08:54	clrh	I loose wifi every 5 minutes...
08:54	eythian	It's stable for me
08:55	cait	fine for me so far...
08:55	cait	hopefully stays that way
08:57	mtompset	test ack.
08:57	nengard	I lost it once, but it's up and running now
08:57	mtompset	my word, the channel is filled with people.
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08:58	nengard	that was bengard
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08:58	nengard	there he is :)
08:59	bengard	hi
08:59	mtompset	nengard and bengard?!
08:59	nengard	hehe
09:01	cait	:)
09:01	rangi	ahh cait has pointed out dpavlin and clrh to me
09:01	cait	nengard: can you give me a link to the photos from last night?
09:01	rangi	now i can stalk you better
09:02	nengard	cait all pics tagged kohacon12 here: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kohacon12&m=tags
09:02	nengard	if case others share on flickr
09:03	nengard	in case (not if case)
09:03	cait	thx!
09:03	mtompset	Hmm... which makes me wonder... is there a facebook page?
09:06	cait	there is twitter:
09:06	cait	https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23kohacon12
09:06	cait	was collecting some links to send to my coworkers at home
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09:11	mtompset	twitter, flikr... no facebook?
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09:15	cait	mtompset: i am not on facebook - there might be something I am not aware of
09:15	matts	I don't think you can search by tag on facebook, can you ?
09:16	mtompset	I just did a search for koha on facebook.
09:16	mtompset	Nothing of significance.
09:17	mtompset	Actually, the search functionality in groups is relatively good.
09:17	mtompset	If I remember some keywords in a status update, I can find it.
09:17	matts	okay
09:17	mtompset	Sadly, they don't have that functionality on my own facebook page.
09:17	mtompset	Truly sucky that way.
09:19	mtompset	I saw someone say that plack-compatibility could give a 150% performance boost.
09:19	mtompset	Is that even in a virtual machine with only 204MB of ram?
09:19	nengard	that's what paul_p said - I just typed it out :)
09:20	talljoy	check the Koha wiki for more details
09:21	talljoy	http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack
09:21	wahanui	http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack is probably good place to get started with latest development
09:21	talljoy	thanks wahanui
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09:23	cait	clrh: still having problems? :(
09:26	clrh_kohacon	yep
09:26	clrh_kohacon	it is not a big problem ;)
09:27	cait	:)
09:29	alex_a	clrh_kohacon: are you connected to central ?
09:29	clrh_kohacon	yep
09:29	alex_a	...
09:31	clrh_kohacon	I put some pictures too http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kohacon12/ I 'll try to update it often
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09:33	clrh_kohacon	ok now I must be my month koha rebase review (count)
09:33	clrh_kohacon	I must do Oo
09:33	cait	hm?
09:34	cait	the chart for features included in Koha now and the ones that still need to be submitted?
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09:41	clrh_	yes cait this chart https://docs.google.com/a/bibl[…]mxpRnRVUUE#gid=11
09:42	cait	and you are updating it now for the hackfest? :)
09:43	clrh_	I should have updated it last friday ;) just because it is a new month
09:44	cait	ah
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09:44	cait	hope it shows another line downwards :)
09:44	francharb	hi all
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09:51	nengard	did anyone get a url for where that graphic nason had up can be seen? about evaluating open source?
09:53	rangi	not me
09:54	cait	me neither
09:54	nengard	do we have a place where we're putting all of our slides?
09:54	nengard	I couldn't read that slide but it sounded very very useful :)
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09:58	connor_l_dewar	kiaora rangi mum said i got a mention somewhere?
09:59	cait	you did :)
09:59	cait	as the youngest developer ever to have a patch accepted in Koha
09:59	rangi	yep :)
09:59	connor_l_dewar	yessssss XD
09:59	connor_l_dewar	stocked
09:59	connor_l_dewar	*stoked
09:59	cait	:)
10:00	connor_l_dewar	i need to submit some more code still. iv been a bit slack
10:03	rangi	more encouragement, so you can be mentioned in the next one too :)
10:03	cait	:)
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10:04	rangi	eythian: did you get the sim to work? i got a message i need to call them
10:04	connor_l_dewar	yeah itd be cool to get some code i wrote from scratch in Koha
10:05	eythian	rangi: I got that message, haven't attempted to top it up yet though.
10:05	nengard	graphic from: M?ller, Tristan. ?How to Choose a Free and Open Source Integrated Library System.? OCLC Systems & Services 27, no. 1 (2011): 57?78.
10:05	nengard
10:05	rangi	yeah me either
10:05	cait	coffee break now
10:05	eythian	I shall do that now.
10:05	rangi	yep
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10:35	* clrh_	cries
10:35	nengard	okay, meds taken - I will be able to talk by 4pm
10:39	mtompset	Oops...
10:40	mtompset	Hate it when someone reads the thread and cleans up comments.
10:40	mtompset	when I just finished adding another comment. Oh well.
10:40	mtompset	At least the status is what it should be
10:40	nengard	anyone know where the irc logs stats are?
10:40	nengard	URL?
10:40	wahanui	hmmm... URL is horrid :)
10:41	cait	irc logs?
10:41	wahanui	irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
10:41	cait	hm seeing no link there
10:41	hdl	http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
10:42	hdl	nengard: is that what you want ?
10:42	nengard	yes!
10:42	nengard	thanks :)
10:42	nengard	how about the one he has for the lists?
10:42	mtompset	Sweet! I'm forever on record on the internet. ;)
10:45	mtompset	What's the #kohails tag for?
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10:46	slef	looked like markmail
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10:47	cait	mtompset: mostly used on twitter I think
10:48	mtompset	Why wouldn't it be @kohails?
10:48	mtompset	Seems that kohails is a valid twitter user.
10:49	cait	you use the tag to mark tweets for that topic
10:49	cait	so everyone can use the tags and you can search for them
10:50	mtompset	Oh right... something about the newsletter, right?
10:50	nengard	#kohails is a way to search for tweets about Koha - @kohails is a way to talk to the Koha twitter user (which is really a few of us and a bot posting info about Koha)
10:51	cait	ok, nengard can explain it way better :)
10:51	slef	ok I'm off back to twitter
10:51	cait	nengard++
10:51	mtompset	What is the ILS for again?
10:51	nengard	does anyone have the URL for the mailing list stats that chris had up on the screen?
10:51	cait	integrated library system
10:51	nengard	i'm here: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ but i can't find it
10:52	mtompset	integrated... right.
10:52	cait	http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
10:52	nengard	that's irc stats
10:53	nengard	he had one for mailing lists too
10:53	cait	ah, not sure
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11:06	rangi	hmmm
11:11	cait	hmm?
11:13	mtompset	hmmm... hmmmmm..... HMMMMMMM. Sorry, barbershop quartets don't work over irc.
11:13	mtompset	:)
11:13	cait	lol
11:14	cait	rangi just did an awesome presentation :)
11:15	mtompset	Are all the presentations going to be on the Wiki somewhere?
11:16	cait	probably not on the wiki, but quite suere the slides will be uploaded
11:16	cait	perhaps slideshare or the website
11:19	clrh	Jun 5 13:15:27 claire-biblibre kernel: [ 9646.004649] ===>rtl8192se_link_change():ieee->iw_mode is 2
11:19	clrh	oups sorry
11:21	mtompset	That was a strange incantation.
11:23	cait	talljoy++
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11:24	mtompset	Yes, I saw the tweet about gender diversity in koha code development. I thought that was great.
11:24	rangi	mtompset: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ch[…]ations/kohacon12/
11:25	rangi	others are being linked in i think as well
11:27	mtompset	Hey, some people are new to Koha, your presentation was probably a good introduction/warm up.
11:27	cait	also a good reminder :)
11:27	cait	and he made people share stories
11:27	* mtompset	nods.
11:28	mtompset	Reminders are good.
11:28	mtompset	Great way to pad the presentation! ;)
11:33	jcamins_away	Hello from Lawrence, KS.
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11:37	mtompset	Hello, jcamins_away
11:39	mtompset	So, how are you this morning?
11:39	mtompset	I was reading through bugzilla and the wiki this morning. Saw your name a couple times. :)
11:39	mtompset	It's evening here now.
11:40	jcamins	I'm doing pretty well. A bit sleepy.
11:40	jcamins	And insulted that the cat spent forty-five minutes whimpering at the door for attention, then ran away and hid the moment I got up to scratch his ears.
11:41	mtompset	Well, it is rather early in KS.
11:41	mtompset	It's like what? 5:40am or 6:40am?
11:41	jcamins	6:40.
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11:49	jcamins	mtompset: I saw you've been busy patching things. :)
11:52	mtompset	or at least commenting on them. :)
11:54	mtompset	I haven't quite got to the patching stage yet.
11:58	mtompset	By the way, are their reasons that Koha is debianist?
11:58	mtompset	vs redhat that is
11:58	mtompset	^their^there^
12:01	jcamins	mtompset: that's what everyone uses.
12:01	jcamins	mtompset: just a chicken and egg thing.
12:01	jcamins	The people who wanted to spend time on packaging preferred Debian, so they did Debian packages.
12:01	jcamins	Then those of us who started later used Debian because hey, Debian was already better supported.
12:05	mtompset	I'm using Ubuntu. :P
12:05	medmondson	Having been a Debianist for years I have recently moved into a red hat/windows environment. Its a tad disorientating and I have had to change my attitudes! Also now I am installing services I am finding that many of the apps that I want to install are better supported under Debian.
12:06	mtompset	I find I still prefer yum over apt-get.
12:07	mtompset	But when in Rome.... ;)
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12:13	jcamins	Happy birthday, talljoy!
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12:15	mtompset	How did you know?
12:16	jcamins	mtompset: druthb just told me.
12:16	jcamins	Oh, talljoy isn't here.
12:17	jcamins	@later tell talljoy Happy birthday!
12:17	huginn`	jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:18	mtompset	@later tell mtompset Testing!
12:18	huginn`	mtompset: The operation succeeded.
12:19	mtompset	What triggers the message? appearing?
12:20	druthb	saying something in-channel. :)
12:21	mtompset	DOH! Totally missed the other tab.
12:21	mtompset	@later tell mtompset Testing!
12:21	druthb	lulz
12:21	huginn`	mtompset: The operation succeeded.
12:21	mtompset	Actually, it sent it before I said anything.
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12:28	jcamins	@later tell jcamins Hi.
12:28	huginn`	jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:28	jcamins	I think if you send yourself a message, it knows that you're there.
12:28	jcamins	@later tell mtompset Hi
12:28	huginn`	jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:33	jcamins	mtompset: say something.
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12:38	tcohen	hi #koha, any devil hangout streamming live from kohacon?
12:47	mtompset	okay
12:47	mtompset	AH!
12:47	mtompset	I wasn't idle.
12:47	mtompset	Sorry, I don't know.
12:48	* jcamins	doesn't know either.
12:48	* jcamins	hopes so.
12:48	mtompset	There were twitter links and flikr links and the like shared earlier...
12:48	mtompset	http://stats.workbuffer.org/ch[…]ations/kohacon12/
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12:49	mtompset	http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kohacon12/
12:49	mtompset	https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23kohacon12
12:50	mtompset	http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kohacon12&m=tags
12:50	mtompset	Sorry, that's all I've seen today.
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12:52	medmondson	mtompset you Debian comment above has reopened the debate in this office. we have had to move away from each other to take a breather. ; >
12:52	mtompset	Sorry for causing a feud.
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12:53	mtompset	It's just that such a useful product should be shared with as many people as possible.
12:53	mtompset	This means cross-OS friendliness.
12:54	mtompset	Sanders on the Zebra mailing list was trying to set up Koha under CentOS.
12:54	mtompset	It sounds like he succeeded. :)
12:57	jcamins	mtompset: agreed. The problem is that CentOS is overwhelming.
12:57	jcamins	(for those of us who only have experience with Debian)
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12:58	mtompset	most linux systems are overwhelming for those who only have windows experience.
12:58	jcamins	lol
12:58	jcamins	Touche.
12:59	jcamins	Also, I used RedHat waaaaay back, and rpm sucked back then.
12:59	mtompset	still does.
12:59	mtompset	But yum is friendly enough.
12:59	jcamins	I think my experience predated yum.
13:00	mtompset	Okay... I have another bug to report... nothing major, just annoying for installation.
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13:01	jcamins	mtompset: there are lots of those. The more eyes on the system, the better.
13:01	mtompset	there is a handy little script ./install_misc/ubuntu_packages.sh (or something like that)
13:01	mtompset	there is also a handy perl program koha_perl_deps.pl (or something like that)
13:01	jcamins	Is it out of date again?
13:01	mtompset	the ubuntu.packages is missing a line.
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13:02	jcamins	Yeah, we have _got_ to find a better way to deal with that. It's always going out of sync.
13:02	mtompset	well, the problem is that koha_perl_deps.pl.... does a perl check.
13:02	mtompset	the ubuntu script does an apt-cache check.
13:03	mtompset	if there was a base file....
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13:03	mtompset	for the <apt-get library>,perl cpan equivalent,required
13:04	mtompset	for each, then both programs could read the same data file when checking, and they'd be both up to date by reading the same source file.
13:04	* druthb	blames jcamins
13:04	jcamins	Oh, that makes sense.
13:04	* jcamins	protests.
13:04	* druthb	rebuts.
13:05	mtompset	getting blamed makes sense, or my idea?
13:05	jcamins	Your idea.
13:05	druthb	him getting blamed makes sense, too.
13:05	mtompset	by the way the missing file is libdatatime-format-mysql-perl
13:05	mtompset	DATE time.
13:05	mtompset	I frequently mix data and date.
13:06	mtompset	libdatetime-format-mysql-perl
13:06	jcamins	One could use that very cool apt-file command to determine on the fly which packages had the missing dependencies.
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13:06	mtompset	only if the apt-file results were unique.
13:07	mtompset	Generally, when I run the ./koha_perl_deps.pl
13:07	mtompset	-m
13:07	mtompset	I take a major portion of the name
13:07	mtompset	and then
13:07	mtompset	aptitude search datetime-format-mysql
13:08	mtompset	because generally....
13:08	mtompset	BlAh::BLAH::blah
13:08	mtompset	means blah-blah-blah in the aptitude search
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13:09	mtompset	The problem is that sometimes, depending on OS and version of OS...
13:09	mtompset	blah-blah-blah isn't available as a package, but it may be available via CPAN.
13:10	jcamins	Right. But we can have a script that tries first.
13:11	mtompset	Well, I like ./koha_perl_deps.pl
13:11	mtompset	It's usually more up to date.
13:13	mtompset	Also, the ubuntu stuff is pointing at yaz3.
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13:13	mtompset	yaz4 replaces it.
13:14	libsysguy	everytime someone talks about yaz I hear the birth control commercial
13:14	wajasu	i did a script for archlinux 2 years ago. I really wanted that "base list" of dependencies. It would be nice if if could be given the smarts to spit out the list of package deps and desired versions, for other distributions as well. archlinux has its own perl package naming convention. at least the deps could be maintained at koha's repos.
13:18	mtompset	C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm
13:18	mtompset	Has a nice structure of all the data.
13:18	wajasu	i ran a koha server under this "rolling" release distribution, but once deployed in production, 8 months later, the distribution had fallen too far back to update its packages. so now i think a "stable" server is the way to go.
13:19	mtompset	It would be nice if that structure was modified to include the equivalent Ubuntu package names
13:20	mtompset	Or perhaps if the structure was offset by an external mapping file.
13:20	mtompset	This would allow for people to take the perl module name, pass it through a function, and come out with the OS' apt-get equivalent.
13:21	wajasu	i am now thinking that if a kvm-based image is performant enough, the devs could develop for debian, and different distributions would just worry about keeping the virtual machine running across the years.
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13:22	mtompset	Well, if you control the host, that method would work.
13:22	mtompset	However, not everyone has control of their host.
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13:25	mtompset	Hmm.... C4/Installer/PerlDep....
13:25	mtompset	That gives me an idea!
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13:35	wajasu	another thing I had to do was install perl packages in a certain order, since those deps pulled in more deps. it took hours to figure out how.
13:37	wajasu	plus arch would update to newer perl versions (OS needed). but koha didn't. thus catch-22.
13:38	wajasu	i also tried some perl distribution environment boostrapper (brew i think it was called). i had success to automate using cpan-minus or such.
13:38	mtompset	app-perlbrew?
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13:38	clrh	back...
13:40	* cait	hands clrh the duct tape
13:40	mtompset	what are you going to use the duct tape for?
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13:47	clrh	duct tape?
13:47	wahanui	duct tape is versatile.
13:47	wajasu	mtompset: yes: app-perlbrew
13:47	cait	mtompset: to tape her to the channel so she does not drop out again
13:47	clrh	"send more patches", "do simple patches" and "signoff more patches"are so related ;) sorry I misunderstand rangi
13:47	druthb	wahanui: druthb
13:47	wahanui	well, druthb is ready to be home.
13:48	druthb	tsk.
13:48	rangi	it's fine, it's my weird nz accent :)
13:48	cait	clrh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape :)
13:48	druthb	wahanui: forget druthb
13:48	wahanui	druthb: I forgot druthb
13:48	cait	druthb: what are you doing there?
13:48	* druthb	looks innocent.
13:48	cait	druthb?
13:49	druthb	wahanui: druthb?
13:49	wahanui	She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:50	cait	hmpf
13:51	mtompset	Hey, hey... be nice.
13:54	cait	druthb?
13:54	wahanui	somebody said druthb was a migration specialist and great friend
13:54	* druthb	raises an eyebrow
13:54	* cait	looks innocent
13:56	* wizzyrea	waves
13:56	cait	hi wizzyrea :)
13:56	cait	where are you hiding jcamins?
13:56	* jcamins	waves
13:56	druthb	hi, wizzyrea
13:56	cait	:)
13:56	jcamins	I get to meet wizzyrea today! :D
13:57	druthb	cait: wizzy is not hiding jcamins.
13:57	* druthb	is.
13:57	cait	aaah
13:57	* wizzyrea	cheers
13:57	* cait	is jealous
13:57	cait	I want to meet jcamins too!
13:59	druthb	'course, he got up this morning looking spink and sharp and ready to preach, while I got up looking like a hundred kilometers of bad road, as usual...
14:00	wizzyrea	lies and slander I'm sure
14:00	druthb	nope.
14:01	mtompset	Okay... now that's there's more people... I'd like a quick refresh.
14:01	mtompset	git checkout -b {choose a good name}
14:01	mtompset	tweak the file(s)
14:01	cait	yes
14:01	mtompset	test...
14:01	mtompset	(still have to do that somehow)
14:01	mtompset	git add {files that were modified}
14:02	mtompset	git commit.
14:02	cait	yep, hint: use git status to see which files you have changed and git diff to see the changes
14:02	mtompset	git diff... hmmmm...
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14:03	druthb	hi, JesseM.
14:03	JesseM	Hey druthb
14:03	mtompset	Sweet... that is my change...
14:03	mtompset	Now somehow to test... I still haven't installed koha yet.
14:03	mtompset	(this is my local dev copy)
14:04	ago43	is there any way to tell what version of Koha shcemaspy is using?
14:04	libsysguy	oleonard around?
14:04	libsysguy	negative :-/
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14:06	sekjal	ago43: I don't think here is, since the data from systempreferences isn't loaded, just the column definitions.
14:07	sekjal	Best guess would be by date
14:07	ago43	thanks, sekjal!
14:07	rangi	master ago43
14:07	rangi	always master
14:07	ago43	cool, thank ye!
14:08	mtompset	(currently 3.8.1?)
14:09	jcamins	mtompset: no, master. Master is a different version.
14:09	huginn`	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]59c2fe3df5c824a5e> / Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]08641c1cd94c0b872> / Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInPr
14:10	wizzyrea	master is 3.9, to become 3.10 stable
14:13	mtompset	So origin for the git hub is 3.8.1?
14:14	jcamins	mtompset: no, branches and different from repositories.
14:15	sekjal	paul_p: small typo in updatedatbase.pl I missed in QA!
14:15	paul_p	sekjal ?
14:15	wahanui	SEGMENTATION FAULT. Aborting...
14:15	sekjal	line 5021: $dhb instead of $dbh
14:15	sekjal	just tried to update my test install, and it failed
14:16	mtompset	This git thing has become confusing again.
14:17	mtompset	DOH!
14:17	wizzyrea	i don't even want to talk about how many kohaclones I've borked and had to redo.
14:18	jenkins_koha	Starting build #740 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 7 days 22 hr ago)
14:18	mtompset	I was wondering if someone would mind sharing their my.conf with me... I'd like to see what the defaults for a debian system are.
14:18	mtompset	I mean my.cnf
14:19	mtompset	/etc/mysql/my.cnf
14:19	paul_p	mtompset = http://drupal.biblibre.com/en/[…]rge-koha-database
14:21	mtompset	Strange... how do you ensure that your DB is UTF-8?
14:21	mtompset	init-connect='SET NAMES utf8' character-set-server=utf8 collation-server=utf8_general_ci character_set_client=utf8
14:21	mtompset	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
14:21	paul_p	sekjal = yikes. follow-up pushed in a second !
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14:23	rangi	oh hey paul_p
14:24	sekjal	paul_p: sorry about that... I should have caught it in QA
14:24	mtompset	Your link, paul_p, though useful for future reference, doesn't answer the questions related to configuring MySQL.
14:24	sekjal	in my defense, B and H are very similar shades of orange
14:24	oleonard	Hi everyone
14:24	mtompset	SHOW variables like '%char%';
14:25	mtompset	SHOW variables like '%collation%';
14:25	mtompset	are they all UTF-8 or binary?
14:25	mtompset	I'm just curious as to what values debian folks see.
14:26	jcamins	Defaults to latin1.
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14:27	mtompset	but latin1 isn't UTF-8.
14:27	mtompset	What if you have some bizarre character in your titles?
14:28	mtompset	The system I'm working with could end up with Chinese titles, Thai titles, Filipino titles, English titles, etc.
14:28	mtompset	I don't think latin1 would cut it.
14:29	jcamins	mtompset: but it doesn't matter.
14:29	jcamins	mtompset: that's why Koha sets everything manually to utf-8.
14:30	mtompset	Are you sure the front end entry of utf-8 to a back-end latin1 is going to get transformed back to utf-8 in the display later on when it is looked up?
14:30	huginn`	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6c389450940e987ef> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8182' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f863a7af6258bcf2d> / Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake <http://git.koha-community.org/git
14:31	jcamins	Yes.
14:31	jcamins	I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian records.
14:32	jcamins	It might not display right when you log in from the command line without you changing the client encoding, but it'll work fine in Koha.
14:34	mtompset	I put this into my.cnf just in case:
14:34	mtompset	character-set-server=utf8 collation-server=utf8_general_ci skip-character-set-client-handshake
14:34	mtompset	I wish the cut and paste got the \n's better.
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14:35	jcamins	mtompset: you can use paste.koha-community.org
14:35	mtompset	http://mibpaste.com/LbJvg6
14:36	mtompset	The pastebin on mibbit works okay.
14:37	mtompset	I think I will get to sleep at a reasonable hour today.
14:38	wizzyrea	i like sleeping
14:38	oleonard	mtompset: If you use the koha paste it does an automatic notify in the channel
14:39	wizzyrea	it's super slick ;)
14:39	pastebot	"mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my tweaks to my.cnf" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/428
14:39	oleonard	Nifty, eh? :)
14:41	mtompset	slower to use that the pastebin link in this widget. :)
14:41	mtompset	But admittedly, cooler.
14:45	mtompset	What category is install_misc/ubuntu.packages?
14:45	jcamins	Installation (command-line)
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14:57	mtompset	Okay creating a bug report before going to bed.
14:59	mtompset	Good day everyone on #koha.
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15:00	liw	heythian
15:00	eythian	howdy liw
15:01	eythian	liw: when are you coming to kohacon?
15:01	liw	eythian, I'll be arriving in Edinburgh about 12:30 on Saturday
15:02	jenkins_koha	Starting build #35 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 10 hr ago)
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15:03	wizzyrea_mibbit	hey guys, is there a stream for the kohacon stuffs?
15:03	eythian	liw: ah right, so just the hackfest then
15:03	eythian	wizzyrea_mibbit: sure is, if you're here ;)
15:03	eythian	otherwise no.
15:03	eythian	they are being recorded though
15:04	cait	I think they are still working on it...
15:04	wizzyrea_mibbit	oh cool
15:04	cait	the cameras have made problems all day
15:04	eythian	oh yeah, there was some effort to make it work, so it may work later
15:04	wizzyrea_mibbit	cool :) thanks
15:07	rangi	@query kittens
15:07	huginn`	rangi: No results for "kittens."
15:07	rangi	@quote search kittens
15:07	huginn`	rangi: 2 found: #178: "jcamins: IIS kills kittens" and #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase..."
15:07	rangi	@quote get 91
15:07	huginn`	rangi: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
15:07	wahanui	i already had it that way, huginn`.
15:07	rangi	wrt to nengards talk :)
15:07	matts	hey #kohacon12, Marc Chantreux (eiro) says hello !
15:08	rangi	hey eiro :)
15:08	cait	hi eiro
15:13	huginn`	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8176 [SIGNED-OFF] Assign an intial value to $sqlwhere <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7b9d09b63011ef54a> / Bug 8161 - Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]186ec7b30854a1fe0>
15:15	slef	oops... boxed in by the camera again
15:16	reiveune	bye
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15:17	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #740: STILL UNSTABLE in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/740/
15:17	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 8108 - Remove unused images from the OPAC
15:17	jenkins_koha	* wizzyrea: Bug 8129 - Quickslips not printing
15:17	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 7599 - [SIGNED-OFF] Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
15:17	jenkins_koha	* jcamins: Bug 7847: OPAC search dies with Plack
15:17	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 8111 - Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
15:17	jenkins_koha	* kolpen: Bug 8116 : Fixing warn in error log
15:17	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused images from the OPAC
15:17	jenkins_koha	* paul.poulain: Welcome to Piotr Kowalski, that is 183th
15:17	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInProcess
15:17	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8129 normal, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , quick slips issuing does not work
15:17	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
15:17	jenkins_koha	* kyle: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
15:17	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
15:17	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , OPAC search dies with plack
15:17	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
15:17	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8116 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , z3950 empty search causes silent warning in koha-error_log
15:17	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8082 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , The: IssuingInProcess configuration setting is working in reverse.
15:17	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8160 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
15:18	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
15:18	jenkins_koha	Starting build #741 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 7 days 23 hr ago)
15:20	paul_p	rangi = the jenkins build that just ended has not the fix for isbn search test fixed. The build #741 should have
15:21	wajasu	my script ot build a virtual machine debiansqueeze+mysql+koha-common pauses because a notice is in the koha-common deb pkg. i wonder how i can turn that notice off when installing the debian package.
15:23	slef	wajasu: debconf or dpkg options I think. You can tell it not to stop at least
15:24	wajasu	thx
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15:25	rangi	paul_p: cool :)
15:27	slef	brb
15:27	paul_p	magnus_away = I've been told that you just had a baby ? and his name is "Leonard" !
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15:29	mtompset	Hello, SJeffery
15:31	mtompset	DOH! I missed my chance to complain about no access to the wiki. I'll have to remember tomorrow.
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15:46	sekjal	is anyone going to watch the Transit of Venus today?
15:49	rangi	something rude
15:49		nengard_teach joined #koha
15:49	* cait	waves
15:49	talljoy	you guys are going on big screen at kohacon
15:49	francharb	hi all
15:49	rangi	something else rude
15:49	rangi	rude
15:49	oleonard	Hi Kohacon!
15:49	cait	rangi: don#t make us kick you ;)
15:49	talljoy	lol
15:49	rangi	heh
15:49	* oleonard	waves from Ohio
15:50	sekjal	greetings from Massachusetts!
15:50	drojf	omg i'm on tv
15:50	drojf	:D
15:50	cait	@wunder Edinburgh, Scotland
15:50	huginn`	cait: Error: No such location could be found.
15:50	cait	@wunder EDI
15:50	huginn`	cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 12.8Â°C (4:49 PM BST on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 7.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
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15:50	talljoy	brrrrrr
15:50	rangi	@wunder nzwn
15:50	huginn`	rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0Â°C (3:00 AM NZST on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Steady).
15:51	SJeffery	Well, most of the authority updates are now funded:)
15:51	cait	yay :)
15:51	cait	I think?
15:52	SJeffery	lol yes, it should make a significant difference for libraries that use authorities a lot.
15:54	francharb	cait, there is a balloon above you, right?
15:55	jcamins	We're at NEKLS.
15:55	francharb	it's a just married balloon
15:55	jcamins	What?
15:55	francharb	in the conference room
15:56	francharb	somebody got married recently apparently
15:56	francharb	;)
15:56	jcamins	Ah.
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15:57	* oleonard	sets a plate of cookies next to Bug 8143
15:57	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQuery tabs to current jQueryUI version
15:58	Morthland	How can I configure email notifications?
15:58	libsysguy	would there be a foreseeble problem with removing the full screen aspects of the staff client and setting the content area toa static width?
15:58	libsysguy	^^ maybe for oleonard
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16:00	oleonard	libsysguy: Depends on the static width. Some pages will get too cramped below 1024px wide
16:00	libsysguy	that is what I thought
16:01	libsysguy	i guess we could set the width to 1024
16:01	libsysguy	i was just looking for some consistency among page layouts
16:02	gaetan_B	bye !
16:02	jcamins	sandboxes?
16:02	wahanui	sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
16:02	oleonard	jcamins: Why are you at NEKLS?
16:03	jcamins	oleonard: 'cause I couldn't go to Edinburgh.
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16:03	oleonard	So the question is really why am I not at NEKLS?
16:03	jcamins	oleonard: I don't know! Why aren't you at NEKLS?
16:04	druthb	that is a very good question. we have a seat here for you.
16:04	paul_p	oleonard = you're the only one knowing :D :D
16:04	wizzyrea_mibbit	why aren't you at nekls :)
16:04	sekjal	@wunder NEKLS
16:04	huginn`	sekjal: Error: No such location could be found.
16:04	* oleonard	doesn't know!
16:04	druthb	@wunder 66046
16:04	huginn`	druthb: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.0Â°C (11:04 AM CDT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 8.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
16:06	paul_p	oleonard = you can send a fix for this problem (bug 8193)
16:06	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8193 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Why isn't Owen at NEKLS for the KohaCon12 ?
16:06	Morthland	How do I configure email notifications
16:06	nengard	Hello #koha - we're doing a general Q/A session now - so feel free to send your questions via IRC
16:06	Morthland	?
16:06	nengard	you're on the big screen :)
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16:06	oleonard	Morthland: What aspect of email notifications are you trying to configure?
16:07	Morthland	I haven't sent a single email.
16:07	Morthland	That is what I want to configure
16:07	Morthland	the SMTP
16:07	Morthland	or whatever.
16:07	wahanui	whatever is most appropriate for the situation.
16:08	Morthland	I would like it to send from our godaddy account, or perhaps gmail.
16:09	mgeist	What are the passwords for the sandboxes?
16:10	Morthland	I do not know what that means?
16:10	nengard	that info is on the wiki
16:10	cait	mgeist: I am not sure, wizzyrea or paul_p?
16:10	nengard	I think
16:10	nengard	anyone have questions for the panel?
16:10	mgeist	Its not on the wiki, just checked.
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16:12	nengard	test/test,
16:12	nengard	it's on the wiki - but it could be bolder - so I'll make it bolder! :)
16:12	cait	that's a good plan - I missed it too last time I was checking :)
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16:12	Morthland	Is this what I want? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_up_a_SMTP_server
16:13	mgeist	Thank you. That worked.
16:13	oleonard	Morthland: That's just for git
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16:14	Morthland	How can I do it for my system?
16:14	mib_mzsn6e	:)
16:14	oleonard	Morthland: Your question is really a general one about Linux server administration.
16:15	SJeffery	Wait, there's a meeting? Where is the agenda?
16:15	oleonard	oleonard: I don't know how to advise you, but I'm guessing there are lots of resources to be Googled
16:15	cait	there is a question and answer session at kohacon - so not an irc meeting :)
16:15	jcamins	SJeffery: it's KohaCon.
16:15	* oleonard	is talking to himself?
16:15	nengard	We're at KohaCon and on a panel answering your questions
16:15	cait	and you can participate by asking questions :)
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16:15	oleonard	Morthland: I don't know how to advise you, but I'm guessing there are lots of resources to be Googled
16:16	* oleonard	waves to leeinbutte
16:16	nengard	Just let me know what questions are for the panel (versus those in the channel)
16:16	leeinbutte	:)
16:16	cait	leeinbutte++ :
16:16	oleonard	Bug 8193
16:16	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8193 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Why isn't Owen at NEKLS for the KohaCon12 ?
16:16	oleonard	à² _à²
16:16	nengard	OH! :)
16:17	nengard	I dont have an answer to that one ? get on a plane :) see you tomorrow!
16:17	leeinbutte	hello to nekls
16:18	sekjal	oleonard: about a 12-13 hour drive....
16:18	nengard	hehe
16:19	francharb	anyone who knows how analytical records works? I understood almost everything but i'm still wandering this : how the number in the "used in" column is calculated in the analytics tab?
16:19	* oleonard	was privileged to get to go to Hackfest and must save is travel budget for other things
16:19	* oleonard	directs francharb to jcamins
16:20	cait	francharb: i think jcamins will answre this in his presentation
16:20	francharb	cait, it's pretty specific...
16:20	cait	francharb: but I think it might require using easy analytics and is the numbe rof items you linked? (perhaps)
16:20	nengard	francharb yes, jcamins is best to answer that, but I can explain it a little bit
16:21	francharb	nengard, cait, thank you! we can talk about it later then!
16:22	Morthland	Can I trigger a test email somehow?
16:23	francharb	cait, I use easy analytical records and it's the number of biblios linked to one specific item
16:24	cait	:)
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16:24	francharb	If I'm on the analytical record, I can see the link within the marc record to the host item
16:24	francharb	but on the host item level, I didn't see how it works yet...
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16:26	mbalmer	ola
16:26	mbalmer	just joined the 3M SIP3 implementers meeting.
16:26	mbalmer	how's edinburgh?
16:26	cait	mbalmer: warning: you are on the big screen at the conf - we are having a question and answer session :)
16:27	mbalmer	oh, sorry.
16:28	* oleonard	wonders what the q/a is about?
16:29	nengard	general questions about Koha and teaching staff about Koha
16:30	nengard	one question was about feature checklists
16:30	nengard	and are they valuable
16:30	nengard	the entire panel says "no"
16:30	jcamins	Feature checklists?
16:30	nengard	checklists have a bias from the person who wrote it
16:30	nengard	so :
16:30	wizzyrea_mibbit	mgeist just signed off on her first patch :)
16:30	nengard	suspending holds Yes/No
16:30	talljoy	mgeist++
16:31	nengard	that's an easy one - but if one ILS calls it 'community outreach' and another calls it 'circ rules' then when it says 'no' it looks like it's not there when in reality the feature is there
16:31	cait	mgeist++ :)
16:32	nengard	"features are now freedom is forever" says chris
16:32	* talljoy	is reminded of Mel Gibson's portrayal of WIlliam Wallace....'FREEDOM'.
16:32	eythian	http://ubuntuone.com/2q7sa29i1d2ixeolHYpLuC
16:33	jcamins	What's a feature checklist?
16:33	clrh	jcamins: features comparison between softwares
16:33	cait	a list of features that should be in an ils
16:33	jcamins	Oh. I see.
16:34	eythian	often set up to be biased towards a certain product
16:34	nengard	yes
16:34	nengard	and now we're done :)
16:34	nengard	good night all
16:34	mbalmer	enjoy the pubs, guys!
16:34	talljoy	and gals
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16:35	mbalmer	them, too
16:35	talljoy	lol
16:35	cait	first conf day over! :)
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16:37	slef	ttyl
16:47	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.8.x build #35: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/35/
16:47	jenkins_koha	wizzyrea: Bug 8129 - Quickslips not printing
16:47	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8129 normal, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , quick slips issuing does not work
16:47	jenkins_koha	Starting build #36 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 11 hr ago)
16:47	francharb	jcamins, i figured out how analytics works (the 'used in' column...)
16:48	jcamins	Yay!
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17:02	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #741: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/741/
17:02	jenkins_koha	* colin.campbell: Bug 3638 Self Check Should Capture Hold Items
17:02	jenkins_koha	* colin.campbell: Bug 3638 : Captured Holds may need to generate a transfer
17:02	jenkins_koha	* paul.poulain: Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake
17:02	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results
17:02	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface
17:02	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 8161 - Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items
17:02	jenkins_koha	* colin.campbell: Bug 8176 [SIGNED-OFF] Assign an intial value to $sqlwhere
17:02	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
17:02	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, sam-sanders, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
17:02	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8161 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items
17:02	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8176 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , $sqlwhere is undefined in C4::Serials in GetSubscriptions
17:02	jenkins_koha	Starting build #742 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 8 days 0 hr ago)
17:11	slef	are they still in the bar?
17:11	* slef	waits for the door-locker
17:19	slef	door locked :) have beer
17:22	wizzyrea_mibbit	i love conference time in the IRC channel
17:24	jcamins	Bug 8119
17:24	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8119 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Show hint when disabling active currency checkbox
17:24	jcamins	Attachment 9928
17:24	huginn`	Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]=9928&action=edit patch, Bug 8119 - Followup Show hint when disabling active currency checkbox, Bug-8119---Followup-Show-hint-when-disabling-activ.patch
17:25	wizzyrea_mibbit	shari++ :D
17:27	slef	heh, wrong bar
17:27	slef	never mind!
17:27	slef	got beer
17:31	slef	wizzyrea_mibbit: didyou get my email about wordpress uploads?
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18:22	RA	Hello
18:23	RA	Anybody there?
18:23	mbalmer	no. all gone to the pubs. ;)
18:23	* libsysguy	remains behind
18:23	sekjal	hi, RA
18:23	* libsysguy	would probably rather be at the pub though :p
18:24	RA	I came to the hotel
18:24	* sekjal	would definitely prefer the pub... no beer in my office
18:24	oleonard	It's a common defect of offices
18:24	libsysguy	I feel your pain sekjal...soon I won't though :p
18:25	libsysguy	oleonard have you looked at the 'trontastic' jquery ui theme
18:25	libsysguy	i feel like that has koha colors written all over it
18:25	oleonard	No
18:26	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.8.x build #36: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/36/
18:26	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 7599 - [SIGNED-OFF] Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
18:26	jenkins_koha	* jcamins: Bug 7847: OPAC search dies with Plack
18:26	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 8111 - Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
18:26	jenkins_koha	* kolpen: Bug 8116 : Fixing warn in error log
18:26	jenkins_koha	* paul.poulain: Welcome to Piotr Kowalski, that is 183th
18:26	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
18:26	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , OPAC search dies with plack
18:26	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
18:26	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8116 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , z3950 empty search causes silent warning in koha-error_log
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18:36	jenkins_koha	Yippie, build fixed!
18:36	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_master build #742: FIXED in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/742/
18:37	mib_7yn33s	anyone around Edinburgh (sitting on their own - ala me!) looking for a few tasty pints!?
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18:37	mbalmer	why dont you join the other guys, mib...?
18:38	mib_7yn33s	no idea where they are!
18:38	RA	I am with my wife so today i decided to stay at hotel
18:38	mbalmer	you have no cell phone numbers?
18:38	mib_7yn33s	nope!
18:38	mbalmer	hang on. and seen privmsg.
18:39	mib_7yn33s	Its raining, so I though people would be put off!
18:39	mbalmer	strange. I dont'see you in the use list of this channel...
18:40	mib_7yn33s	I'm a phantom!?
18:40	mbalmer	can you privmsg me?
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19:09	cait-m_	hi #koha
19:10	jcamins_away	Hi cait-m_
19:10	jwagner	hi, cait-m_ -- off partying it up?
19:10	cait-m_	no back at hotel after dinner
19:10	mbalmer	already?
19:11	cait-m_	maybe fighting a cold
19:11	mbalmer	oh noes.
19:11	jwagner	That's not good....
19:12	mbalmer	haggis helps
19:12	cait-m_	lol
19:12	jwagner	or whiskey
19:12	cait-m_	no thx i will take the cold
19:13	mbalmer	those librarians are strange... I would prefer haggis & whisky over a cold ;)
19:13	slef	not nengard's cold?
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19:14	slef	that's vicious
19:14	* slef	may fall offline RSN... battery dying
19:15	cait-m_	perhaps only missed out on too many hours,of sleep
19:15	slef	hope so
19:16	slef	cait our hero
19:16	slef	ok no battery... bbl
19:18	rangi	dang nabbit
19:19	rangi	still no luggage
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19:20	dpavlin	haggies++ highly recommended if in scotland :-)
19:21	mbalmer	and tossing the caber...
19:21	wahanui	i heard tossing the caber was fun.
19:22	druthb	cait is a hero!
19:22	druthb	heroine!
19:22	cait	?
19:22	druthb	(14:15:19) slef: cait our hero
19:22	cait	ah
19:22	cait	that again
19:22	druthb	do tell.
19:23	cait	don't take him serious
19:23	druthb	ahem! do tell!
19:23	cait	?
19:24	druthb	tell why he thinks you're a hero.
19:24	mgeist	Have a good afternoon! Cya.
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19:27	cait	druthb: nope
19:27	cait	ask slef if you want to know
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19:35	rangi	hello paul_p :)
19:36	paul_p	hi rangi. not sleeping ? /me remember how I was after the trip to NZ...
19:37	* cait	waves
19:38	rangi	not yet, will be soon i think
19:38	paul_p	hi cait
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19:51	cait	Shari++
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19:57	druthb1	@karma
19:57	huginn`	druthb1: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (507), and "wizzyrea" (342). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50).
19:57	druthb1	@most increased
19:57	huginn`	druthb1: "rangi": 588, "oleonard": 512, "wizzyrea": 342, "jcamins": 317, "gmcharlt": 311, "chris_n": 300, "cait": 290, "sekjal": 237, "paul_p": 225, "nengard": 216, "kf": 186, "magnuse": 166, "slef": 153, "druthb": 145, "eythian": 97, "fredericd": 71, "hdl": 68, "biblibre": 64, "hdl_laptop": 60, "jwagner": 54, "marcelr": 52, "kmkale": 46, "thd": 46, "atz": 44, and "pianohacker": 39
19:58	druthb1	@most decreased
19:58	huginn`	druthb1: "<!": 116, "failed": 83, "-": 53, "<-": 46, "ie": 40, "C4::Search": 18, "windows": 18, "ptfs": 16, "--><!": 14, "liblime": 12, "src="<!": 11, "monday": 10, "-rw-r--r": 10, "marc": 9, "zebra": 9, "^": 8, "me": 7, "it": 7, "word": 6, " is not a known MakeMaker parameter name. ": 6, "patron<!": 6, "ENTRY": 6, "jsp": 6, "oracle": 6, and "yui": 6
19:59	bag	@karma
19:59	huginn`	bag: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (507), and "wizzyrea" (342). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50). You (bag) are ranked 338 out of 2093.
20:00	jcamins	@karma jcamins
20:00	huginn`	jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 317 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 316.
20:00	bag	@wunder 93109
20:00	huginn`	bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.6Â°C (12:59 PM PDT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 9.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 5 PM PDT this afternoon...
20:00	druthb1	@karma druthb
20:00	huginn`	druthb1: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 145 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 144.
20:02	mbalmer	@karma dogma
20:02	huginn`	mbalmer: dogma has neutral karma.
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20:03	jenkins_koha	Starting build #37 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 15 hr ago)
20:04	bencahill	Hmm, I'd thought a few days ago koha-community.org was second on google for 'koha', but now it's not even on the first page :-/
20:10	druthb	@karma bag
20:10	huginn`	druthb: Karma for "bag" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:10	druthb	@karma brendan
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20:10	bencahill	I see the Ubuntu install page is for Lucid...can I use it for 12.04 (Precise) as well?
20:11	jcamins	bencahill: no.
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20:11	jcamins	bencahill: that's a whole lot of extra steps, that will just mess up 12.04.
20:11	bencahill	jcamins: Okay...how should I install it on 12.04?
20:12	jcamins	bencahill: I'm looking for the page.
20:12	bencahill	jcamins: Okay, thanks.
20:13	jcamins	bencahill: actually, someone updated the instructions.
20:13	jcamins	So I was mistaken.
20:13	jcamins	You can follow those, except you have to skip step six.
20:13	kathryn	good morning!
20:14	bencahill	jcamins: i.e. all the stuff with Apache?
20:14	bencahill	(and /var/log/koha)
20:14	jcamins	Right.
20:14	bencahill	jcamins: Got it. Thanks.
20:14	jcamins	The old instructions were a lot more 10.04-specific.
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20:15	oleonard	Looks to me like koha-community.org doesn't appear on Google
20:15	oleonard	Not the home page anyway
20:15	jcamins	!!
20:16	oleonard	Wouldn't you expect a search for "koha community" to at least return our home page?
20:16	mbalmer	liblime stole our show
20:16	mbalmer	?
20:16	oleonard	It's more than that mbalmer
20:16	jcamins	That's not good.
20:16	sekjal	rangi: small typo in latest commit to 3.8.x: dhb instead of dbh
20:16	mbalmer	oleonard, I am aware of the issue. it is sad.
20:18	sekjal	not even showing up when searching "koha-community"
20:18	sekjal	wiki, download, translate, schema
20:18	sekjal	all those, but not www
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20:21	rangi	ah yep, i think paul pushed a fix for that?
20:22	sekjal	rangi: yes
20:22	rangi	cool will push that too
20:24	* rangi	was tempted to see what error jenkin threw with it, it should fail all tests (it does locally)
20:28	slef	yo
20:28	slef	got power
20:29	slef	rangi: :(
20:29	slef	airnz--
20:29	slef	sorry my mistake
20:29	sekjal	koha-community.org no longer has a google page rank
20:29	slef	cait is not our hero
20:29	slef	sekjal: site:koha-community.org returns?
20:29	cait	sekjal: wow
20:30	cait	how can this happen? did we get blocked or something?
20:30	slef	cait is queen of kohacon12
20:30	sekjal	not blocked
20:30	cait	I haven't even updated the schedule yet slef
20:30	sekjal	we're still getting some results
20:30	slef	cait: you've 12 hours ;)
20:30	cait	ah, i will do it in the morning then :)
20:31	slef	sooner the better...
20:31	sekjal	site:koha-community.org returns subdomains, but not the main page
20:31	cait	sarah handed me the instructions :)
20:31	slef	then we can make more changes
20:31	sekjal	site:www.koha-community.org returns nothing
20:31	slef	now I need to install stuff for jwagner's talk
20:31	slef	sekjal: it never used www
20:32	slef	sekjal: don't get the www-or-not debate restarted ;)
20:32	SJeffery	I say use www!
20:33	sekjal	I was just using www as a means of being more specific, ie excluding translate.koha-community.org, schema.koha-community.org, etc
20:33	slef	sekjal: yeah. naw
20:33	SJeffery	(I can't help myself)
20:34	rangi	thats odd its fallen out, it was difintely in there a couple of days ago
20:34	sekjal	any, the problem is that koha-community.org is unreachable from Google right now
20:34	slef	SJeffery: me too but I'm not doing any of the jobs needed to do it
20:34	sekjal	page rank is null
20:34	slef	sekjal: ok. is wizzyrea about?
20:34	sekjal	or, rather, N/A
20:34	rangi	hmm not a robots.txt or anything?
20:34	cait	I think they can do stuff like that if you do evil seo tricks, but we didn't
20:34	slef	I think it's on webmaster tools no?
20:35	slef	is there a meta tag with gibberish on the page?
20:35	slef	(not on my laptop yet)
20:35	SJeffery	Google has been doing some pretty rough SEO updates lately, so it would not surprise me if the site was penalized in some fashion.
20:35	wizzyrea	i'm here
20:35	jcamins	Here she is!
20:36	mbalmer	why are some many of you online and not in a pub? that is scary...
20:36	jcamins	mbalmer: it's 15:35.
20:36	druthb	Still working hours, in the central US.
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20:36	wizzyrea	I haven't done anything to the site
20:36	wizzyrea	no idea why it's gone.
20:36	* druthb	blames jcamins again
20:36	wizzyrea	it's alarming.
20:36	mbalmer	jcamins, I was, of course, referring to the Edinburgh people ...
20:37	wizzyrea	of course.
20:37	* sekjal	is going to go home soon, where there will be beer, and the Transit of Venus
20:38	sekjal	so, like a pub. and astronomer's pub
20:38	mbalmer	given enough beer, you can see the transit of venus every day...
20:39	sekjal	I'm hoping for a Groundhog's Day effect...
20:39	wizzyrea	there are no messages for k-c.org in webmaster tools
20:39	wizzyrea	it shows green across the board
20:39	sekjal	wizzyrea: maybe Google is just hosed at the moment
20:40	wizzyrea	yea, up to 5/31 it was over 3k clicks a day, average position 5.1
20:40	wizzyrea	which is not great but at least on the first page
20:40	wizzyrea	then it fell off
20:40	wizzyrea	like a rock.
20:41	cait	slef: want me to mark the presentations that didn't take place? or just delete them from program and wiki?
20:43	slef	mbalmer: NEED SLEEP
20:43	slef	sorry lost connection
20:43	cait	slef: saw my question?
20:43	slef	cait: delete I think
20:43	cait	ok
20:43	slef	I see everything
20:43	cait	I will clean the pages a bit then
20:43	cait	scary :)
20:43	slef	I just don't always read everything
20:44	sekjal	updated Google algorithm on May 25
20:44	slef	I want to be kibo 2.0
20:44	slef	sekjal: yeah. Made a bloody mess
20:45	slef	so everyone, please link koha-community.org in your email sigs and on social nets and so on
20:45	wizzyrea	link to what they did sekfal?
20:45	wizzyrea	sekjal*
20:46	slef	we cannot trust private-run search engines to Do The Right Thing
20:46	slef	we must make it ourselves
20:46	slef	at home
20:46	sekjal	http://www.seomoz.org/google-algorithm-change
20:46	slef	with a small aaubergine
20:46	slef	and well done to anyone knowing that reference :)
20:47	sekjal	we may want to update our <meta name="robots" content="index,follow" />
20:47	sekjal	to remove entirely, I think, as that content appears to be non-standard
20:47	sekjal	per: http://googlewebmastercentral.[…]ots-meta-tag.html
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20:49	Dunadan	Does Koha 3.8 have a script called expire_holds_over.pl..??
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20:52	dunadan	Does koha 3.8 have a script called expire_holds_over.pl?
20:52	sekjal	dunadan: no, there isn't a script with that name
20:53	dunadan	hmm..it was mentioned in the koha-3-8-0-released notes....
20:53	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.8.x build #37: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/37/
20:53	jenkins_koha	* Chris Cormack: Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInProcess
20:53	jenkins_koha	* oleonard: Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
20:53	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8082 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , The: IssuingInProcess configuration setting is working in reverse.
20:53	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8160 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
20:53	jenkins_koha	Starting build #38 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 15 hr ago)
20:53	sekjal	dunadan: there is a feature to handle hold expiry if they've been waiting too long
20:53	wizzyrea	sekjal - delete the meta robots or replace it with something else
20:54	sekjal	wizzyrea: delete is my vote
20:54	dunadan	sekjal: what is it called?
20:54	sekjal	dunadan: there is misc/cronjobs/holds/cancel_expired_holds.pl
20:55	sekjal	gtg
20:55	sekjal	have a good one, all!
20:55	drojf	good evening
20:59	wizzyrea	oh, well what you all missed
20:59	rangi	hmm?
21:00	drojf	rangi: got your stuff?
21:00	rangi	no :(
21:00	drojf	oh
21:00	drojf	:(
21:00	wizzyrea	nm, I'm blocking that site from my results.
21:00	wizzyrea	:P
21:00	rangi	ill have to borrow a tshirt from eythian tomorrow i think
21:00	drojf	where did they send it now?
21:00	wizzyrea	oy, stinky lost bag.
21:01	drojf	how is that even possible?
21:01	rangi	it is somewhere in edinburgh, i think with the courier
21:01	rangi	hopefully they deliver it early tomorrow
21:01	cait	fingers crossed
21:01	drojf	ok, thats the right city at least
21:01	cait	I would offer a tshirt - but you probably prefer eythian's ;)
21:03	dunadan	No, cancel_expired_holds.pl moves holds from being expired to being cancelled,
21:03	dunadan	and thus moved to the old_reserves table. Not every waiting hold has an
21:03	dunadan	expiration date; it's not filled in by the holds fill process. The patron or
21:03	dunadan	librarian has to set it manually. What's needed is an automated way of adding
21:03	dunadan	these expiration dates based on the ReservesMaxPickupDelay value, so that
21:03	dunadan	cancel_expired_holds.pl can capture and cancel them.
21:04	slef	and I'm too short and scrawny...
21:04	slef	dunadan: mentioned in release notes you say?
21:05	dunadan	sorry about that, bug (7408) mentioned, yes
21:10	dunadan	OK. got it now. It's a syspref called ExpireReservesMaxPickupDelay, thanks.
21:11	slef	heh... glad... I need a good 30mins to understand 7408
21:11	wizzyrea	bug 7408
21:11	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7408 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED FIXED, Expire holds that have been waiting too long
21:12	slef	it's a fun read
21:12	slef	paul_p comments about taking 2h on one step
21:12	slef	looks thorny to me
21:13	dunadan	wizzy...this doesn't create a report anywhere does it. would be nice to know what holds to pull off of "waiting" shelf
21:14	dunadan	I guess you have to dig it out of the sql tables, somewhere...the things that were cancelled
21:15	wizzyrea	hm, my best guess as to why this happened to kc.org is because of all of the footer links in koha catalogs.
21:16	wizzyrea	yea, there's a hold over tab in holds awaiting pickup
21:16	wizzyrea	circulation -> holds awaiting pickup -> hold over tab
21:17	dunadan	That "holds over" thing is a nightmare
21:18	rangi	wizzyrea: too many links?
21:18	wizzyrea	looks that way
21:18	wizzyrea	too many links with formerly-seo-friendly anchor text
21:19	rangi	ah right, so we need to fix that syspref eh?
21:19	SJeffery	How can you tell that is the issue vs something else?
21:21	wizzyrea	well, reading. mostly.
21:21	wizzyrea	about the latest google algorithm update.
21:22	wizzyrea	for example
21:22	wizzyrea	mdah.state.ms.us 1,316,137
21:22	wizzyrea	they have a million links to us?
21:22	rangi	ah each page will have one
21:23	wizzyrea	exacterly
21:23	wizzyrea	bsz has over 100k
21:23	rangi	hmm this must happen with other systems too
21:23	rangi	like wordpress
21:23	wizzyrea	yea, there was a similar case
21:23	wizzyrea	of ^^^^^^ exactly
21:24	wizzyrea	a wordpress theme developer
21:24	wizzyrea	put backlinks on their theme, when people installed it
21:24	wizzyrea	insisted they not remove it
21:24	wizzyrea	they got heavily penalized.
21:24	rangi	well wordpress.org itself has a link
21:24	rangi	a powered by wordpress one
21:25	wizzyrea	right, I guess having the url "wordpress.org" on a link to wordpress.org is better than having an image or a "powered by wordpress"
21:25	wizzyrea	i mean, I could be reading this wrong.
21:25	rangi	Proudly powered by WordPress etc
21:25	wizzyrea	http://searchengineland.com/fi[…]n-recovery-122700
21:26	wizzyrea	there's the case of the wp theme dev
21:26	cait	wizzyrea: oups
21:26	wizzyrea	cait - is not a big deal - but the syspref probably should be changed?
21:27	rangi	what does it do now, an image link, or a text link?
21:27	wizzyrea	but the rest of the things they fixed for that wpmu - we don't have any of those errors.
21:27	wizzyrea	good ?
21:28	wizzyrea	it's text - powered by Koha
21:28	rangi	right, so we thinkg the problem is just the sheer number of them?
21:29	rangi	on any one site?
21:29	wizzyrea	that's what I think? evidence seems to point that way.
21:29	rangi	yep its def plausible
21:30	cait	but I think then the google algo is broken
21:30	wizzyrea	interestingly, we didn't get spanked until the 1.1 penguin update
21:30	cait	like rangi said, very common for lots of pages
21:30	wizzyrea	so maybe they will update it again
21:30	wizzyrea	I've submitted it for reconsideration
21:31	rangi	coo
21:31	libsysguy	thoughts on http://screencast.com/t/QyASNc5MrN
21:31	rangi	l
21:31	wizzyrea	but it's not like we can just tell people "go use duckduckgo" - google is a verb now
21:31	rangi	yeah
21:31	rangi	finding out why it disappeared woud be the main thing, course they wont tell us why
21:32	wizzyrea	yea, and webmaster tools are not helpful
21:32	rangi	i can understand it dropping in rank, but gone altogether
21:32	* wizzyrea	goes to dig up the analytic... oh wait did we put that on piwik?
21:32	* wizzyrea	checks
21:32	rangi	that seems broken
21:33	slef	wizzyrea: cyberunions.org suggested using duckduckwent ;)
21:34	wizzyrea	it does seem broken.
21:34	wizzyrea	well it's probably pages down in the results
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21:34	cait	libsysguy: i like the frequency idea - but think we would still need a delay? the dates are confusing to me
21:34	cait	not sure how that is supposed to work
21:35	cait	libsysguy: was more thinking something like.... start x days after overdue, freqzency x (every each x days) up to x occurences total
21:36	libsysguy	cait yeah I need to factor that in
21:36	wizzyrea	looks purty tho
21:36	libsysguy	a lot of those questions are in the "add notcie button"
21:36	cait	yep it does :)
21:36	libsysguy	wee thats what I was going for
21:36	cait	libsysguy: but why the dates?
21:36	libsysguy	the dates are for when to stop and start
21:36	cait	libsysguy: I mean they would change all the time?
21:36	libsysguy	so if stop is null
21:36	libsysguy	you send them forever
21:37	cait	hm
21:37	cait	I might misunderstand that
21:37	cait	but a date wouldn't work I think?
21:37	libsysguy	now that I think about it i mgiht too
21:37	cait	if you want up to 3 letters
21:37	libsysguy	well I am working on the rewrite
21:37	libsysguy	so I am thinking infinate notices
21:38	cait	I think having a stop and start date perhaps makes sense for when you want to factor in vacation / closed periods of time
21:38	cait	but you would still need a counter fo rhow many you want to send
21:38	libsysguy	so I am trying to work out the recurrence
21:38	libsysguy	I thought about having a counter, it really makes more sense
21:38	libsysguy	i keep thinking of this as a calendar and not sending notices
21:39	libsysguy	I really like the way google calendar handles dates etc
21:39	libsysguy	but i think i got stuck on that
21:39	libsysguy	and missed the mark on what I was trying to do
21:39	libsysguy	but for today, all I've been workin on is the look
21:39	libsysguy	so hearing it is pretty makes me happy lol
21:41	libsysguy	anyway im out for the evening
21:41	libsysguy	cya tomorrow
21:42	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.8.x build #38: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/38/
21:42	jenkins_koha	* kyle: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
21:42	jenkins_koha	* paul.poulain: Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake
21:42	cait	bye libsysguy :)
21:42	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
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21:42	jenkins_koha	Starting build #39 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 16 hr ago)
21:44	wizzyrea	http://www.seomoz.org/blog/rec[…]e-story#jtc182327
21:45	wizzyrea	tl:dr - vary your anchor text.
21:46	* slef	shuffles files around for all he's worth, trying to make sure he has enough disk if tomorrow is as annoying with cameras as today
21:47	slef	I have 4 cameras with me. I used 3 :-/
21:47	slef	Only reason I didn't use the 4th is I forgot I had it with me.
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22:22	bencahill	slef: What cameras? (/me is interested in photography quite a bit)
22:22	bencahill	(or are you talking video?)
22:30	slef	bencahill: video, yes
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22:30	slef	bencahill: I am trying to capture kohacon12... while also chairing half of it
22:30	bencahill	slef: Ah, cool. Yeah, space can be an issue. :P
22:31	bencahill	slef: Oh my, that's quite a challenge. The worst I've done is getting video cams set up for my brother and play a concert. ;)
22:31	slef	yeah... and I remember looking at the TB disk and thinking "nah, why would I need that"
22:31	bencahill	lol
22:32	jenkins_koha	Yippie, build fixed!
22:32	jenkins_koha	Project Koha_3.8.x build #39: FIXED in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/39/
22:32	jenkins_koha	Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results
22:32	huginn`	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, sam-sanders, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
22:32	* bencahill	has 2 1TB externals and a 2TB external. :)
22:32	slef	so it is 400 miles south of here
22:32	slef	in a crate
22:32	slef	oops!
22:32	slef	I think today, I had one camera crash, 2 battery deaths and 3 full memories
22:33	bencahill	Ouch
22:33	bencahill	slef: Wow, that's quite unfortunate. :-/
22:33	slef	yeah
22:33	slef	there will be a few gaps in today's presentation recordings
22:34	slef	I am glad that I am paranoid on days like today
22:34	bencahill	I'm still getting used to HD video, as many of our computers here can't handle it natively.
22:34	bencahill	Yes.
22:34	slef	oh even the HD camera here, I am running in SD because of disk space
22:34	* bencahill	is extremely paranoid about data as well :P
22:34	slef	tomorrow, we will have 5 cameras!
22:34	bencahill	slef: Yeah, I can totally see that...and if the rest are SD anyway...
22:35	bencahill	At one of my brother's recitals, I used 4 cameras (3 still cams that took video and a pocket cam)...I love different angles. :P
22:35	slef	heh... one of them is not even SD... QVGA antique
22:35	bencahill	hehe
22:36	slef	I still carry that because I think you could set a bomb off and it would keep recording
22:36	bencahill	hehe
22:36	slef	but I was reminded today it does not like SDHC
22:37	bencahill	Ah, that sucks...
22:37	bencahill	I think the only device I use that doesn't support it is my H2
22:38	slef	where do you upload videos to?
22:39	bencahill	slef: Normally mine are for playing on the computer or DVD. If uploading, YouTube.
22:39	bencahill	Here's a simple video I took with one camera at our last youth orchestra concert: http://youtu.be/1oT9DXAvNg0
22:40	slef	I guess I may open a google account just to upload these there :-/
22:41	bencahill	slef: I like doing fun stuff like these, though: http://youtu.be/qNd8MuRG85M and http://youtu.be/GMTYJ3hFEdw
22:45	slef	bencahill: I'm going to have to leave those last two for later because I am currently failing to test webex
22:48	slef	if anyone knows if it can work/be made to work on debian... help ;)
22:48	slef	I mean: help! ;)
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