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SDWK |
Hi All |
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chris_n |
evening |
| 01:25 |
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chris_n |
is there a way to "round-trip" xml/xslt -> html -> xslt/xml ? |
| 01:29 |
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* chris_n |
sets out warm cookies |
| 01:32 |
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jcamins |
chris_n: yeah, if the HTML is structured enough. But it probably won't be. |
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chris_n |
HTML::Element looks promising |
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chris_n |
HTML::Element->as_XML() |
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rangi |
chris_n: why? :) |
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jcamins |
rangi: good call. |
| 01:37 |
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jcamins |
first question? |
| 01:37 |
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wahanui |
"What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 01:37 |
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rangi |
couldn't you do xml via xslt -> different xml |
| 01:37 |
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rangi |
and cut out the lossy middleman? |
| 01:38 |
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chris_n |
marcxml->html->marcxml |
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jcamins |
chris_n: why HTML? |
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rangi |
what he said :) |
| 01:39 |
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jcamins |
Would it be better to just render on the clientside? |
| 01:39 |
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rangi |
marcxml -> other marcxml ? |
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chris_n |
because once you run xml thorugh xslt it is html |
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rangi |
nope |
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chris_n |
? |
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rangi |
only our xslt |
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jcamins |
chris_n: doesn't have to be. XSLT transforms XML into arbitrary other XML. |
| 01:40 |
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* chris_n |
musta missed something |
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rangi |
yeah xslt is for doing xml transforms |
| 01:40 |
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rangi |
it could xml + xslt = txt |
| 01:40 |
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rangi |
xml + xslt = csv |
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rangi |
if you wanted |
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chris_n |
right, that I understand |
| 01:41 |
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rangi |
so id just not use our xslt stylesheets which are designed to create html |
| 01:41 |
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rangi |
and use one thats designed to create whatever you want |
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* rangi |
might be missing something tho |
| 01:42 |
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chris_n |
I'm experimenting with xslt to replace frameworks in a marc editor |
| 01:42 |
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chris_n |
what I'd like to do is produce html; edit; transform back to marcxml; update db |
| 01:42 |
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rangi |
take a look at C4::Record |
| 01:43 |
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chris_n |
so its not simply for display in some format |
| 01:43 |
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rangi |
its doing a bunch of different transforms |
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jcamins |
Right, you don't want to edit the transformed-to-HTML part. You want the HTML-based editor to be directly modifying the MARCXML. |
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rangi |
*nod* |
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rangi |
be tricky, but ultimately awesome! |
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* chris_n |
will have to think about this a bit more |
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jcamins |
The HTML-rendered output will be keyed to the actual MARCXML. |
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chris_n |
I think we're on different trains of thought :-) |
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jcamins |
chris_n: really? Aren't you thinking about how to transform a record using an XSLT stylesheet, and then use the modified result? |
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chris_n |
no |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
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jcamins |
What are you thinking about? |
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chris_n |
well, maybe that's what I was thinking after all... |
| 01:50 |
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chris_n |
the problem really is that a) I asked an XY question and B) I was thinking out loud :-) |
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jcamins |
Heh. :) |
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chris_n |
but clearly its a dead end either way so I'll throw that thought out |
| 01:52 |
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chris_n |
jcamins: that's basically what I planned to do to start with; have the editor directly mod the marcxml |
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chris_n |
I just thought I was having a brainstorm |
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* chris_n |
will shut up and go back to writing code now |
| 01:53 |
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jcamins |
It still could be an inspired idea. |
| 01:53 |
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rangi |
yeah, it's quite likely im not getting it :) |
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chris_n |
a rabbit trail is more like it ;-) |
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mtompset |
Greetings. |
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mtompset |
SchemaSpy says items.materials can be null. |
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mtompset |
But there's no defined() check on $item{'materials'} in catalogue/detail.pl |
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jcamins |
I have no idea what that field is used for, so, yeah, probably not a vital one. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: if it's just used to pass to the template, the check is in the template. |
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jcamins |
If it's actually being processed in some way by catalogue/detail.pl, there should be. |
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mtompset |
952$3 if that means anything to you. |
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mtompset |
it is used to set a flag which is sent to the template. |
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jcamins |
Yeah, there will be an [% IF itemloo.materials %] in the template. |
| 02:37 |
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jcamins |
952$3 is for something like "Companion CD-ROM." :) |
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mtompset |
But the check to set the flag generates an error in the log, because it is undefined. |
| 02:38 |
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mtompset |
Not because of the template, though. |
| 02:38 |
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jcamins |
Ah, then there should be an if (defined $item{'materials'}) |
| 02:39 |
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mtompset |
well, I figure we can use short-circuiting |
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mtompset |
defined(...) && ... |
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mtompset |
and since you're here... |
| 02:40 |
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mtompset |
How do I set up the git stuff? |
| 02:40 |
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jcamins |
git? |
| 02:40 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 02:40 |
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jcamins |
^^ that page is *great* |
| 02:40 |
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jcamins |
It got me started back when I had never even managed to get CVS working right. |
| 02:40 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, if there's an if, definitely go with short circuiting. |
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mtompset |
I figure I'll try to get the git version working on my test machine, so as I come across bugs it will be easier to tell if they were fixed or not. |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
| 02:43 |
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jcamins |
And then you can submit patches easily. |
| 02:43 |
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jcamins |
What was I thinking? |
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mtompset |
GAH! not setting up email! |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
I just ran SELECT * FROM zebraqueue; |
| 02:44 |
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mtompset |
I've been trying and failing for days! |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
E-mail isn't so important anymore. |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
You have to *enter* your e-mail, though. |
| 02:44 |
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jcamins |
So that you can get credit for your patches. |
| 02:45 |
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mtompset |
or blame. ;) |
| 02:45 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 02:45 |
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mtompset |
So what did you find in zebraqueue? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: 400k records. |
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jcamins |
COUNT() would have been a better way to find out whether the data had finished loading. |
| 02:48 |
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* jcamins |
calls it a night, now that the data load has completed. |
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jcamins |
Good night, #koha. |
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mtompset |
Good day. ;) |
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Oak |
\o |
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Oak |
kia ora #koha |
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francharb |
hello |
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monisa |
Hi, i am using koha 2.2.9 for windows, how can i get a book image from amazon pls help |
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mtompset |
Hello, francharb. I'm not familiar with the windows version, monisa. Sorry. I just started hanging out here yesterday. :) |
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monisa |
any one else pls help |
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francharb |
the windows version? |
| 06:37 |
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wahanui |
somebody said the windows version was really really really old, and totally unsupported |
| 06:38 |
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francharb |
monisa, what you need is to set up the correct system preferences |
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francharb |
but I never worked with your version |
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francharb |
I can't tell if the sytem preferences we know in the actual version were in yours |
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francharb |
check if you have |
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mtompset |
I personally would recommend running a virtual machine on your windows box and do the mot recent linux install in the virtual environment. |
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monisa |
in system preference where is the amozon configuration for images and book review |
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mtompset |
^mot^most^ |
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mtompset |
The problem is the windows version is 2.2.9 |
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francharb |
monisa, look for "AmazonEnabled" |
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mtompset |
The most recent version is either 3.6.X or 3.8.X |
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paul_p |
good morning #koha |
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francharb |
monisa, is it an option for you to run a more recent install on a virtual machine? |
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mtompset |
To be more precise, are you able to install any software you want on your computer? |
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mtompset |
Or are you in a corporate environment which has locked down certain functionalities? |
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mtompset |
https://www.virtualbox.org/ |
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mtompset |
is the website of a reasonably good and free product. |
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monisa |
corporate environment |
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julian_m |
hello! |
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mtompset |
In which case, you may want to talk to your system administrators about whether or not policy allows you to run a virtual machine. |
| 06:46 |
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monisa |
what are appropriate values for AmazonAssocTag and AmazonDevKey, when i go amazon web services, it is asking for credit card number, that i dont have now. what i want is just image and book review from amazon, all other things in koha win version 2.2.9 is ok |
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francharb |
monisa, the amazon web service account is free |
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francharb |
are you on this page : http://aws.amazon.com/ |
| 06:48 |
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francharb |
? |
| 06:50 |
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francharb |
monisa, once you are logged in, go to "Security credentials" > Access credentials |
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francharb |
and you will have your access key id (to set up AWSAccessKeyID ) |
| 06:51 |
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francharb |
and the Secret Access Key for AWSPrivateKey |
| 06:52 |
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francharb |
monisa, you also need to activate in Koha AmazonCoverImages and OPACAmazonCoverImages... well, whatever you need! ;) |
| 06:52 |
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mtompset |
There have been significant improvements on this functionality since 2.2.9 |
| 06:53 |
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francharb |
and monisa, mtompset is right. if you can ask to install the last version, I also think it's a good idea! ;) |
| 06:54 |
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monisa |
yes, this page, when i go to sign up, it says that my email is registered , when i go to forget password it asks for credit card |
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francharb |
:( |
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monisa |
at this time i am ok with this version just need help for amazon images and book review |
| 06:57 |
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monisa |
hello |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
niihau, reiveune |
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monisa |
http://aws.amazon.com/ when i go to sign up, it says that my email is registered , when i go to forget password it asks for credit card |
| 07:06 |
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mtompset |
Well, you probably registered your card with the account, and that's their security measure. |
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mtompset |
Though, it doesn't ask me for mine. |
| 07:08 |
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monisa |
I MADE ANEW EMAIL THEN TRIED THAN ALSO HE IS ASKING FOR CARD NUMBER |
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monisa |
PLS GUIDE |
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mtompset |
Sorry. I don't know how to help. That is an Amazon issue. |
| 07:13 |
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mtompset |
Have you had your computer scanned for viruses? |
| 07:13 |
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mtompset |
It sounds like there is some sneaky redirection going on. |
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slef |
:-/ |
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Oak |
kia ora #koha |
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gaetan_B |
o/ :) |
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monisa |
OK THANKU ALL FOR UR TIME |
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mtompset |
Sorry we couldn't help more. |
| 07:35 |
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slef |
I'm sure I've done this a few times before but I can't remember how... how do I link imported authorities to imported biblios? |
| 07:36 |
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slef |
wahanui: marc21 |
| 07:36 |
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wahanui |
marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html |
| 07:37 |
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kf |
slef: you use the awesome work jcamins has done |
| 07:37 |
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kf |
slef: which version? |
| 07:37 |
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wahanui |
which version are you looking at? |
| 07:37 |
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slef |
ooh is there a nicer way to do this now? |
| 07:37 |
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slef |
kf: 3.8.mumble |
| 07:37 |
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kf |
a lot nicer and reliable way |
| 07:37 |
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rangi |
Same script |
| 07:37 |
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kf |
there are several system preferences you can look at under authorities and a rewritten script |
| 07:38 |
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rangi |
Just works tons better |
| 07:38 |
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rangi |
link something something |
| 07:38 |
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kf |
linkauthtobibssomething |
| 07:39 |
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slef |
link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
| 07:39 |
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wahanui |
link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is, like, something that you run because you did something wrong with my system, and now you want to fix it by doing something you probably shouldn't be doing |
| 07:39 |
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slef |
I searched for link but in the wrong folder (oops) |
| 07:39 |
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kf |
wahanui forget link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
| 07:39 |
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wahanui |
kf: I forgot link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
| 07:40 |
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slef |
yay! |
| 07:41 |
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slef |
that's 1724 of them fixed, only another 3549 to do |
| 07:41 |
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slef |
thanks all |
| 07:41 |
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kf |
what's the problem with the 3549? |
| 07:41 |
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slef |
headings not in authorities yet... I don't think their previous system enforced the authorities file |
| 07:42 |
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kf |
slef: not sure if there is an easy way to fix that, perhaps worth asking jared |
| 07:43 |
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slef |
kf: I'm using things like http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n_the_Authorities (which I've a bugfix for... needs a DISTINCT and an ORDER BY) and some sick perl scripts. |
| 07:46 |
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slef |
the sick perl script basically makes a dummy marcxml marc21 authorities file from text lines |
| 08:16 |
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Oak |
koha-common is not available in Debian testing (Wheezy), right? |
| 08:19 |
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kf |
word-- |
| 08:19 |
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Oak |
word? |
| 08:19 |
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kf |
ms_word-- |
| 08:19 |
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kf |
word++ |
| 08:20 |
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Oak |
ms_word-- |
| 08:20 |
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Oak |
:) |
| 08:20 |
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slef |
ms_word-- |
| 08:20 |
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slef |
@karma ms_word |
| 08:20 |
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huginn` |
slef: Karma for "ms_word" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. |
| 08:20 |
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Oak |
LinuxMint uses Debian testing's repositories |
| 08:20 |
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Oak |
will i be able to install koha-common on it? |
| 08:21 |
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Oak |
i think i should be able to do it easily... just add the line in sources.list... and import gpg key and good to go? |
| 08:21 |
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Oak |
I just installed Debian and had no idea it will so much fuss to install Firefox |
| 08:21 |
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slef |
Oak: sounds good. Record and document how it goes? |
| 08:21 |
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Oak |
well, okay |
| 08:21 |
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slef |
huh? Why are you installing firefox instead of just using iceweasel? |
| 08:22 |
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Oak |
because |
| 08:22 |
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Oak |
just because. |
| 08:22 |
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slef |
mozilla hates you and wants to steal your freedom, you know? ;-) |
| 08:22 |
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Oak |
huh? |
| 08:22 |
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Oak |
really? educate me. |
| 08:22 |
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Oak |
oh wait |
| 08:22 |
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Oak |
you were joking |
| 08:23 |
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slef |
mostly |
| 08:23 |
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slef |
there is a dispute but it's pretty small and it sucks that mozilla foundation won't back down |
| 08:23 |
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slef |
mozilla use trademarks to lock firefox down (unlike most software that uses copyright) |
| 08:23 |
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Oak |
or Debian won't back down |
| 08:24 |
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slef |
well... this is a well-known red line which predates firefox or even mozilla foundation |
| 08:24 |
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Oak |
Debian people could just let it get added to the non-free repository... |
| 08:24 |
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Oak |
*sigh* |
| 08:24 |
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slef |
I don't think anyone's blocking it from non-free, but packaging it is a lot of work and no-one's volunteered as far as I know. |
| 08:24 |
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Oak |
ah isee. |
| 08:24 |
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Oak |
got it. |
| 08:25 |
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Oak |
so... what do you recommend? I stick with Debian, or do I try Mint? |
| 08:25 |
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slef |
biab - if you want to know more, I'm happy to find the links to the explanation if it's not on http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 08:25 |
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slef |
I stick with debian most of the time. |
| 08:25 |
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slef |
but hey, freedom of choice is good. |
| 08:26 |
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slef |
now really in a meeting :) |
| 08:26 |
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Oak |
okay later slef :) |
| 08:26 |
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Oak |
than you! |
| 08:26 |
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Oak |
let me think about it... the Debian and Mint.... thing. |
| 08:31 |
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kf |
mailinglists>? |
| 08:31 |
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kf |
mailinglists? |
| 08:31 |
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kf |
mailinglist? |
| 08:32 |
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kf |
mailing list? |
| 08:32 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 08:36 |
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mtompset |
Oak... LYNX ... it's an awesome text browser, and it works for the web setup portion of the install. |
| 08:37 |
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mtompset |
Especially useful if you don't want to install DESKTOP stuff on your SERVER. |
| 08:38 |
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mtompset |
Well, that's not super useful, I didn't reply in a reasonable amount of time. |
| 08:39 |
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mtompset |
kf, where are you from? |
| 08:40 |
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kf |
Germany |
| 08:41 |
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mtompset |
I'm a Canadian in the Philippines. :) |
| 08:41 |
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* magnuse |
waves from norway |
| 08:41 |
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mtompset |
I have friends from both your countries. :) |
| 08:42 |
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magnuse |
small world ;-) |
| 08:42 |
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mtompset |
Especially when you are working for a worldwide NGO. :) |
| 08:46 |
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mtompset |
Are either of you familiar with the bug reporting cycle? |
| 08:47 |
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mtompset |
I reported a bug yesterday. |
| 08:47 |
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mtompset |
It looks like there's a fix for it. |
| 08:47 |
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mtompset |
But the status is 'Needs Sign off' |
| 08:47 |
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mtompset |
Who signs off? |
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kf |
everyone can |
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kf |
except for the one who wrote the patch of course |
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kf |
there are pages on the wiki explaining the workflow, let me check |
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cjh |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
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kf |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow is also interesting |
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* kf |
checks on her tickets for monday :) |
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Oak |
kf, this is the 28th time you have done that ;) |
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Oak |
stop it. |
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kf |
Oak: how did you know?? |
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Oak |
i _knew_ it |
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Oak |
:) |
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Oak |
time to reboot |
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francharb |
have you ever tried to sort a dropdown menu with jquery? |
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francharb |
anyone? |
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kf |
francharb: no, sorry - have you tried google? |
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francharb |
yep |
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francharb |
i'm on it |
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francharb |
i tried and failed |
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francharb |
:) |
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kf |
francharb: next week!! |
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kf |
when will you arrive? |
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francharb |
but i just find a function that looks nice |
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francharb |
on monday |
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francharb |
around 4pm |
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kf |
I found out I am on the same plane as the biblibre crowd from marseille |
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francharb |
great |
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francharb |
maybe we will be on the same row |
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francharb |
;) |
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francharb |
I take this plane too |
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kf |
ah, cool :) |
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francharb |
It's going to be fun! |
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kf |
thought you might be travelling separately from lyon |
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kf |
it was lyon, right? |
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kf |
or not... |
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francharb |
yep |
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francharb |
i will fly from lyon -> amsterdam -> edinburgh |
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kf |
francharb: zürich - amsterdam - edinburgh :) |
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* slef |
will roll Norfolk -> Edinburgh |
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francharb |
kf :) |
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francharb |
for the sorting jquery |
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francharb |
i did sorted my list |
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kf |
slef: drive carefully :) |
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francharb |
but it tooks every entry from every lists of my page |
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slef |
little tip for future reference... don't organise a conference if you have no two members in the same town ;) |
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francharb |
:) |
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mtompset |
Strange... it said I had stemmers installed but they couldn't be found. |
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mtompset |
Something is freaky messed up with my perl installation, I think. |
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esofiane |
hi #koha |
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Oak |
hi esofiane |
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oleonard |
anyone understand Bug 8174? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8174 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OpacNavBottom appears between OpacNav and Patron Links when patron is logged in and browses to /koha/opac-main.pl |
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Oak |
\o |
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asaurat1 |
about this list : http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_customized_OPACs |
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asaurat |
are we talking about CSS customization and no template modification ? |
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oleonard |
Probably not |
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oleonard |
...since the page doesn't specify what kind of customizations we want to see. |
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asaurat |
right |
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asaurat |
:/ |
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oleonard |
If each of those links has no template modifications we could modify the description of the page to ask for CSS/JS-only changes |
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asaurat |
yep, would be great to promote this kind of customization |
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Oak |
so... customizing the template is discouraged? |
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Oak |
i mean it's not good? |
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oleonard |
Making changes to templates is discouraged because of the problem it creates with maintainability |
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Oak |
because it will get overwritten... that's the only reason i can think of... |
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Oak |
yes |
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oleonard |
Of course you can do whatever you want, and there are smart ways to do it and dumb ways to do it |
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Oak |
i wish we could have something like child themes in wordpress? |
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oleonard |
But I think it would be nice to have that gallery promote nice looking OPACs which have done it with pure CSS+JS |
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Oak |
hmm |
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oleonard |
So, anyone else *not* get a call about this? http://www.businessinsider.com[…]mmers-2012-2012-5 |
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* oleonard |
prepares his glamour shot to submit for next year |
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datadoctor |
Good morning! |
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datadoctor |
Or evening! |
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wahanui |
well, evening is better for me - but not too late |
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oleonard |
datadoctor I think wahanui is putting the moves on you |
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datadoctor |
;) |
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datadoctor |
Working on the Acquistions process today. We are having trouble with Receiving items. |
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datadoctor |
Combining the orderreceive.pl with the finishreceive.pl yields a batch process for receiving all items on an order in one click. |
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datadoctor |
Writing for our 3.5 install, may need to be modified for 3.8.x |
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datadoctor |
I will post to our bug report after we test the patch thoroughly. |
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datadoctor |
http://ticket.bywatersolutions[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4480 |
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huginn` |
Bug 4480: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 033 tag and Zebra date indexing |
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datadoctor |
Hmm - do I have something on this in Koha bugzilla? |
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datadoctor |
Try this instead: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8179 |
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huginn` |
Bug 8179: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Receiving items requires repetitive clicking. |
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kf |
datadoctor: I think important is tomake sure it works for all settings of AcqCreateItem system preference |
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datadoctor |
Thank you! I will look at that closely. |
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kf |
datadoctor: there is also some work done on the item part of acq in 3.8 and 3.6 - so it might need more work to make it work for these versions. |
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kf |
if that makes sense |
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datadoctor |
Sounds good. I don't want to put in too much work until we are upgraded to 3.8 later this Summer. However, our tech svcs. need it now (new budget = big orders), so hopefully we can provide a skeleton for future work in 3.8 |
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datadoctor |
We did notice the different behavior with the AcqCreateItem setting. |
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datadoctor |
I understand AcqCreateItem settings "placing an order" and "receiving an order" but what is when "cataloging a record?" Is that for folks who don |
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datadoctor |
't use the Acquisitions tools? |
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datadoctor |
I'm thinking that the item is not attached to an order in that case... |
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datadoctor |
kf Thanks for your input. I'm going to talk it over with my colleague, Jorge. |
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kf |
using acq but not creating items on the titles |
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kf |
datadoctor: hm I think we are using different vocabulary - what you call items I would call orders, and orders can have multiple items ordered |
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kf |
datadoctor: no wrng, order lines |
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kf |
basket = order, containing order lines for different bibliographic titles, each oder line ordering 1 or more items/copies of the title for the library |
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datadoctor |
Our procedure is to create an order, populate it with items, then receive the shipment. The "Already Received" items should correspond one-to-one to our physical invoice. The title is created with the item, using the Z3950 search. |
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kf |
I may be irritated because I am not a native speaker :) |
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datadoctor |
If the invoice doesn't correspond to the physical inventory received then the basket total won' |
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datadoctor |
t match the physical invoice total. |
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kf |
ok, really confused now |
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kf |
what I mean is order lines are an 1:n relationship to items |
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datadoctor |
I know - I'm looking for a more solid workflow. |
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kf |
one basket can have multiple orderlines, each orderline can order multiple items |
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datadoctor |
Each order line shows a title, however multiple items may be received for that title. |
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kf |
yes |
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kf |
and itwill only be one line in parcel for the title |
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kf |
not one for each item |
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kf |
oleonard++ for kicking out a part of yui :) |
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datadoctor |
I understand that current Koha incorporates a mechanism for simultaneously accepting mutliple items per title. |
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datadoctor |
Go yui! |
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* wizzyrea_away |
waves |
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datadoctor |
I mean receiving multiple items. |
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kf |
not only current, I think you pretty much could always do that |
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kf |
batch receiving multiple order lines is the missing piece I think? |
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kf |
hi wizzyrea :) |
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datadoctor |
The process is difficult to automate because of the item creation process - a lot of information is passed through the Receive scripts. |
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datadoctor |
If something is missing, the scripts fail. |
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datadoctor |
Plus there are the three AcqCreateItems methods, and corresponding workflows. The procedure needs to be useful for different workflows. |
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kf |
yes, it's not easy :( |
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slef |
tee hee... just gave mjkaye a stationery shopping list for kohacon12 |
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slef |
I think BR is the only member of our co-op that I haven't roped in yet. |
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kf |
heh |
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kf |
monday!! :) |
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Oak |
*sigh* so lucky... those going |
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* kf |
sends Oak cookies |
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Oak |
well okay. i accept. but still sad you all are going. |
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slef |
why is everything I need for work at the other end of the flat! |
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kf |
bad planning? *ducks* |
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jcamins |
slef: could be worse... it could be on the other side of the country. |
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slef |
kf: actually it's because I'm not at my own desk |
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slef |
jcamins: I fear that happening next week |
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kf |
another good reason |
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slef |
but we have tried to be good scouts! Be Prepared! |
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* kf |
imagines slef as a scout |
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kf |
:) |
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slef |
I was... then a ranger broke my arm. Not sure I went back. |
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kf |
ouch :( |
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slef |
kf: do you know the answer to Bug 6697 or should I try to put it in discussion? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6697 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Empty Organisation(s) field for organisational patrons |
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slef |
oleonard, jwagner: you might know about that too. |
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kf |
slef: you should ask rangi |
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kf |
slef: iirc he said it used to be an n:n thing, one organisation could be part of n others and so on |
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kf |
and that got broken a long while ago I guess |
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kf |
but it would explain why there was a list |
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slef |
let's all ask rangi |
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slef |
he'll feel like it's groundhog day |
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kf |
well... he is kind of the eldest... he knows how things were looong times ago |
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reiveune1 |
bye |
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jwagner |
self, I vaguely remember working on org patron problems a long time ago, but would have to dig |
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jcamins |
Wow, the upgrade past hourly really takes forever, doesn't it? |
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SJeffery |
Does anyone know the bug number for the problem with search-links to series with foreign language characters not working? (not 5369, that was fixed in 3.6.3) My search-fu is failing me this morning. |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: there was a problem with parentheses, but searches for non-Roman characters should work on all indexes with ICU enabled. |
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SJeffery |
Hmm. A search for /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=se,phr:"Mapa metalogenetico de España e. 1:200.000 ;" gives no results found. |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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jcamins |
Try removing the " ;" at the end? |
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SJeffery |
Just tried that, no change |
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jcamins |
Try removing the 1:200.000 |
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SJeffery |
No results match your search for 'se,phr:"Mapa metalogenetico de Espa�a e."' |
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SJeffery |
If I search for just the first two words I get four results. |
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jcamins |
Does it include the results in that series? |
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SJeffery |
Yep, it includes all four results. |
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jcamins |
Okay, just checking it was bringing up the right results. |
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SJeffery |
FWIW, I don't know if it matters that at least in IE it is giving that box instead of the special character in the serps, but the URL contains the proper special character. |
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jcamins |
Ohhh. |
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jcamins |
Yes, that's important. |
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jcamins |
The record probably wasn't normalized properly. |
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jcamins |
Are you using ICU? |
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jcamins |
Sorry, that was a silly question. |
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jcamins |
If you were using ICU, I would've have had to ask it. |
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* jcamins |
catches up with himself. |
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jcamins |
Probably the thing to do is enable ICU. |
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jcamins |
(that's done server-side) |
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jcamins |
Wow. Vufind does alternate formats right. |
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SJeffery |
My net connection hates me. I think the last thing you said was something about UID? |
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jcamins |
ICU. |
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kf |
jcamins: we have to make koha do that too! |
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jcamins |
kf: I know. |
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kf |
(what are alternate formats?) |
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jcamins |
kf: http://mirlyn.lib.umich.edu/Re[…]2068/Details#tabs |
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jcamins |
Look at the source. |
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jcamins |
Particularly the <link> tags. |
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kf |
oh |
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jcamins |
Beautiful, isn't it? |
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SJeffery |
I really like |
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oleonard |
jcamins: How does the user take advantage of that? |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: so the problem is the Unicode normalization. The record is normalized to have separate diacritics, which Zebra doesn't like. |
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jcamins |
(nor does IE) |
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jcamins |
It's normalized in the search, though, so it doesn't recognize the words as the same. |
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SJeffery |
Solution? |
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wahanui |
rumour has it Solution is to use the proper template syntax |
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SJeffery |
*smacks the bot upside the head* |
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slef |
wizzyrea: help! I can't upload images to the gallery any more! |
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slef |
@seen wizzyrea |
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huginn` |
slef: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 37 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: * wizzyrea too |
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slef |
wahanui: forget Solution |
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wahanui |
slef: I forgot solution |
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slef |
ooh flipping heck |
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jcamins |
oleonard: it means that Endnote will Just Work if you give it a URL. |
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jcamins |
lol |
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jcamins |
There are two. |
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slef |
me bodges a temporary solution |
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jcamins |
The preferred solution is to enable ICU on the server. |
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jcamins |
Then reindex. |
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jcamins |
That will ensure that no matter what weird diacritics you might throw at it, it will work. |
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jcamins |
The other option is to renormalize. |
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jcamins |
If you open one of the records and save it, will the search start working? |
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jcamins |
(for that record only) |
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SJeffery |
Will check, need to wait for reindex job in 10 minutes |
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jcamins |
I'm pretty sure that will fix the one record. |
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jcamins |
If so, option B) is to run the touch_all_biblios script, which will correct the normalization. |
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SJeffery |
Oh hellp, I just found some enhancements we are going to take care of...1922 and 6617! |
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SJeffery |
=hello |
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jcamins |
oleonard: the other way those <link> tags are useful is that it makes it easier for me to jQuery fun features into existence which depend on having direct access to the MARCXML. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: Seems like an easy thing to add to Koha |
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jcamins |
oleonard: yes it is. It's on my to-do list. |
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SJeffery |
That did fix the one record, so the script would be the fix:) |
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jcamins |
Along with eleventy billion other things. :/ |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: so the script will take care of the normalization in your current records, but you will still run into problems with searching non-Roman character sets. |
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kf |
bug 1922 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1922 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Table of Contents Tab |
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kf |
bug 6617 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , table of contents not printing right if entered right |
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Oak |
jcamins++ |
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jcamins |
Oak: what did I do? |
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Oak |
:) option a) and b) ... ICU or normalization |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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Oak |
yup. God bless you all. |
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SJeffery |
btw, is turning on icu a big issue, or just something simple? |
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jcamins |
SJeffery: it requires a couple of configuration changes. As of 3.8, I think it's actually an option in the installer. |
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jcamins |
(it certainly is in master, but I think the change got in before 3.8, too) |
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bencahill |
Hey guys, I think I asked this before, but don't really remember. Will koha benefit from multiple cores? |
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jcamins |
bencahill: yes and no. |
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bencahill |
That's what I figured. :P |
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jcamins |
If you're running MySQL on the same server as Apache, you should notice pretty significant improvement when the server is busy. |
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jcamins |
If it's separate, I'm not sure it will make that much of a difference, since Koha mostly isn't CPU-bound. |
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bencahill |
jcamins: What do you mean by 'Koha mostly isn't CPU-bound'? |
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wizzyrea |
it's mostly i/o bound |
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jcamins |
bencahill: your system is probably going to run out of memory and crash before the CPU is so busy that extra cores are *needed*. |
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bencahill |
Right now, my system uses 100% CPU for requests (monitoring with top), and requests take 6-8 seconds normally. |
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jcamins |
! |
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bencahill |
It's got a P4 2.4 with 800MB (ish?) of RAM, but it never runs out of RAM, afaik. |
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wizzyrea |
oh a p4 |
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jcamins |
Hmmm... |
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jcamins |
That's kind of an old processor. |
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bencahill |
Yes, I know... :P |
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bencahill |
We are planning on upgrading it, I just don't know if I should get a fast 2-core rather than a 4-core or 6-core that may not be as fast per-core... |
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jcamins |
I think I'd probably go with a 4-core rather than a 2-core. |
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bencahill |
Okay. |
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bencahill |
Is my main limiting factor right now the CPU? |
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wizzyrea |
what kind of disks do you have in this box |
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wizzyrea |
does your whole DB fit in RAM? |
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bencahill |
wizzyrea: Right now just an old IDE drive. ~2000 items/biblios |
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slef |
help! Anyone from kohacon day 2 or 3 willing to trade for a day 1 slot? |
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bencahill |
wizzyrea: I don't know, I haven't tried. :-/ |
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* slef |
looks at the programme |
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* jcamins |
is day one, sorry. |
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wizzyrea |
well if size of db uncompressed < 700ish MB it would fit |
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slef |
jcamins: can I move you to day 3? |
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wizzyrea |
there might be some things you could do to tune MySQL so it ran better |
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bencahill |
Unfortunately, I don't have SSH access right now (wtf?), but I'll restore that ASAP... |
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jcamins |
slef: what time? |
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wahanui |
somebody said time was like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. or generously donated to giving support in #koha but if you need more help faster than we can give it try http://koha-community.org/support/paid/ |
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bencahill |
wizzyrea: gz'ed backup is 6MB |
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slef |
jcamins: same time I think... checking |
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slef |
no, 2h earlier |
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wizzyrea |
so yea it probably fits in RAM |
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jcamins |
slef: that might be a bit tricky... I think that'd be 8am. |
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slef |
jcamins: mmmm... what about 4pm day 3? |
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jcamins |
slef: that would work fine, I think. |
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slef |
kf: I'm messing up your schedule.... OK? |
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kf |
slef: eek |
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kf |
what for? :) |
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jcamins |
kf: confusing you! :P |
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kf |
jcamins: we are talking about slef... it might be... |
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slef |
kf: gbenga is unsure about day 1, asks for a later slot. So gbenga to 2pm day 3, nengard from there to 4pm day 1, jcamins from there to 4pm day 3, slef from there to 2pm day 3. OK? |
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kf |
lol |
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kf |
sounds ok |
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kf |
ask jared |
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kf |
if it's ok for him :) |
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jcamins |
That works fine for me. |
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slef |
jcamins: can you confirm? |
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jcamins |
Yup. |
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jcamins |
I was just checking my schedule. |
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slef |
ok... I warned nengard I might do this to her so hope she's OK with it too :) |
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jcamins |
She said you could move her talk to whenever you wanted. |
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slef |
I hope I recorded that somewhere :) |
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jcamins |
sekjal: did you ever sort out your lists problem? |
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sekjal |
no, patch is still untested |
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sekjal |
suppose I should try on this machine.... |
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jcamins |
sekjal: what is it you were trying? |
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sekjal |
bug 8164 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8164 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Replace IFNULL() with COALESCE() in all database calls |
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sekjal |
one of the areas the replacement occurs is in ShelfPossibleActions() |
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jcamins |
Oh, right. |
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jcamins |
Sorry, I swear I was paying attention. |
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sekjal |
my one laptop VM wouldn't let me add a biblio to a list from opac-detail |
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sekjal |
gave me a 404 |
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sekjal |
I assume it was just a lack of good set up on my part |
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sekjal |
seems to be okay on this more robust machine |
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jcamins |
Doesn't seem like you should get a 404 no matter what your setup. |
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sekjal |
I wouldn't think so... |
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libsysguy |
sekjal, you know im working on my proof of concept and eventually I would like to see it integrated. IT seems rather improbable to just spend a full release cycle on migrating stuff so an incremental transition seems to be the only way to go. My question is, what do you think the best way to integrate conflicting database changes is |
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* jcamins |
waits eagerly to hear what the options are for how to integrate conflicting database changes. |
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libsysguy |
heh |
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libsysguy |
well I am working on notices |
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jcamins |
(your message cut off after "conflicting database changes is") |
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libsysguy |
sorry, erroneous 'is' |
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sekjal |
non-linear database update |
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libsysguy |
0_0 |
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* libsysguy |
goes to the googles |
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sekjal |
I think having each db update as a file, with a common set of actions on it, would give us a lot more flexability as far as parallel developments go |
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libsysguy |
so like versioning for database |
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libsysguy |
http://search.cpan.org/dist/DB[…]hema/Versioned.pm |
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jcamins |
DBIx::Class::Versioned would be a good option for this, I think. |
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libsysguy |
finally I beat jcamins to something :p |
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jcamins |
That one. |
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sekjal |
bug 5837 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5837 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Change installer to use DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned instead of updatedatabase.pl |
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jcamins |
DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler would be even snazzier. |
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libsysguy |
There is a catalyst plugin for both of those |
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jcamins |
Oh, wait, no, never mind. |
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jcamins |
DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned wins, hands down. |
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libsysguy |
poor DeploymentHandler requires Moose |
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libsysguy |
which according to rangi is akin to Date::Manip :p |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: DeploymentHandler also looks like it would be a lot more complicated to start using. |
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libsysguy |
jcamins we have jenkins for deployments anyway :p |
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jcamins |
@query nonlinear |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements |
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jcamins |
^^ there's a bug about replacing updatedatabase. |
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sekjal |
that's the one I was originally looking for |
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jcamins |
I tested it, and liked how it worked, but there were objections to the implementation. |
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libsysguy |
I need to get better at using git so I am better at testing |
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jcamins |
git? |
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wahanui |
somebody said git was http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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jcamins |
wahanui: hello? |
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wahanui |
no idea, jcamins |
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jcamins |
Well, anyway, there's a good reading list on the page wahanui isn't directing you to. |
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libsysguy |
haha |
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libsysguy |
wahanui is tired |
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libsysguy |
i didn't know DBIC supported LDAP queries |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: does Catalyst integrate with any particular caching framework? |
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libsysguy |
anyone or just memcache |
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jcamins |
Framework, like CHI or Cache::Cache or ... |
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libsysguy |
there is fastmap |
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libsysguy |
i think |
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libsysguy |
Cache::Fastmap |
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jcamins |
Fastmmap. That's not a framework, that's just a particular Cache. |
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sekjal |
jcamins: it's pluggable... not sure if a CHI plugin has been written or not |
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* jcamins |
has settled fairly definitely on CHI, so I don't suppose it would much matter if Catalyst used something else. |
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jcamins |
Catalyst::Plugin::CHI. |
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libsysguy |
haha |
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libsysguy |
first question :p |
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jcamins |
Though Catalyst::Plugin::Cache, which uses Cache::Cache also exists. |
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* libsysguy |
doesn't have much experience in the area of caching |
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libsysguy |
did you see this http://search.cpan.org/dist/Ca[…]yst-Plugin-Cache/ |
| 18:38 |
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jcamins |
Yep. |
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jcamins |
Just read it. |
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libsysguy |
i figured that was the one you found |
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libsysguy |
i can honestly say I feel overwhelmed by the size of what I am trying to undertake lol |
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jcamins |
It would be easy to change Koha::Cache to use Catalyst::Plugin::Cache if we switch to Catalyst. |
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jcamins |
(or we could use the CHI plugin, which exists but I'm not finding in CPAN) |
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libsysguy |
i couldn't find it either |
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libsysguy |
what does CHI stand for? |
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jcamins |
Uhhh... |
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jcamins |
No idea. |
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libsysguy |
haha disregard that then |
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jcamins |
Cache Handling Interface? |
| 18:41 |
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jcamins |
Maybe? |
| 18:43 |
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libsysguy |
still can't find anythign |
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libsysguy |
boo |
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slef |
Chi River, Thailand |
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jcamins |
It doesn't really matter... as I said, it would be easy to change. |
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jcamins |
It looks like Catalyst's Cache plugin would meet my requirements, even though Cache::Cache does not. |
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libsysguy |
cool…well I'm glad I won't hose everything by proposing this |
| 18:45 |
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libsysguy |
what is it that you wanted but Cache::Cache doesn't have |
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rangi |
morning |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: support for Memcached and Fastmmap. |
| 18:46 |
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libsysguy |
morning rangi |
| 18:46 |
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libsysguy |
oh heh |
| 18:46 |
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libsysguy |
well it certainly looks like that is supported…so yayy |
| 18:49 |
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libsysguy |
so with the work that I am doing…it would be totally scrapped and we'd start with another area of koha *IF* we decided to move right? |
| 18:50 |
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libsysguy |
i don't know if i put a large enough emphasis on the if there :p |
| 18:50 |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: depends how good a job you do. :P |
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jcamins |
No pressure. :P |
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libsysguy |
heh |
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libsysguy |
well it kind of depends on what I do |
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libsysguy |
i mean, should I showcase dbix::versioning or can i just modify the database freely without worrying about integration |
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libsysguy |
i guess the real question is should I finish this with integration in mind or demo in mind |
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libsysguy |
and thanks…I already feel like if I screw this up the whole idea dies with me lol |
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libsysguy |
and there isn't much worse than killing ideas |
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* jcamins |
would go for integration, probably... |
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* libsysguy |
was afraid you'd say taht |
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cait |
cait1? |
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wahanui |
cait1 is not sure how much they paid :( |
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cait |
hm |
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jwagner |
cait, you're cloning yourself? |
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cait |
but I didn't intend to... |
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jwagner |
Some of the greatest scientific discoveries were made accidentally :-) But can you replicate it? |
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rangi |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi rangi :) |
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cait |
magnuse++ :) |
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oleonard |
dpavlin_away++ # for lots of plack work today |
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cait |
dpavlin++ |
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cait |
oleonard++ for lots of yui work :) |
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oleonard |
thanks cait I'm working on datepickers now :) |
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datadoctor |
oleonard: Yui rock! |
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cait |
oleonard: brave and awesome! |
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cait |
datadoctor: we are kicking it out ;) |
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datadoctor |
nice |
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oleonard |
That tabs patch is kind of a beast though, lots of changes. Nothing serious, but lots of minor changes. |
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cait |
perhaps split it up a bit? |
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cait |
ah, the tabs |
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datadoctor |
Viewing at the tabview page, looks complicated! http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/tabview/ |
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oleonard |
datadoctor: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/ |
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oleonard |
We never used YUI tabs even when we used other YUI stuff. |
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datadoctor |
Oh, I like that a lot better!! |
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datadoctor |
I'm a big fan of jquery! |
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cait |
jquery++ :) |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #34 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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libsysguy |
@later tell jcamins http://www.catalystframework.org/calendar/2008/17 |
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huginn` |
libsysguy: The operation succeeded. |
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oleonard |
Have a good weekend everyone |
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datadoctor |
You too! |
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datadoctor |
See y'all! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #34: UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/34/ |
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jenkins_koha |
kyle: Bug 8140 - [SIGNED-OFF] Error when exporting label xml |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8140 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Error when exporting label xml |
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rangi |
ahh isbn in db |
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* rangi |
fixes |
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rangi |
ohh tricky one |
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rangi |
that will need a patch |
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rangi |
https://www.librarything.com/a[…]ngISBN/0590353403 |
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rangi |
is returning diff results than it used to |
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cait |
but the test caught it :) |
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rangi |
yep, but now the test needs to be changed |
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rangi |
needs this |
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rangi |
my $isbn2 = '0684843897'; |
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libsysguy |
random question. Will there be any cpu advantage to using solr over zebra? |
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rangi |
quite the opposite |
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rangi |
unless by advantage you mean, i want to use all of it all the time :) |
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rangi |
its a big java stack |
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rangi |
its cool, but resource heavy |
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rangi |
you'd defintely want it on a sep machine for a library of decent size |
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rangi |
but the nice thing is, it's built to work like that |
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libsysguy |
that is what I was thinking |
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libsysguy |
but it seems like it would benefit partial indexes |
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rangi |
hm? |
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libsysguy |
well right now partials have to be queued and run from the cron |
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libsysguy |
but they do 'live' inserts in solr right |
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rangi |
you can do live inserts in zebra too |
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cait |
libsysguy: have you looked at the indexer from fredericd? |
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rangi |
it just holds you up |
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rangi |
hence the queue |
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rangi |
so we dont slow circ down |
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libsysguy |
i haven't cait |
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rangi |
you'd want the same idea with solr, stick it in a queue as fast as possible and do the next op and let something else get it indexed |
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libsysguy |
ohh i gotcha |
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cait |
you can run it every few seconds i think |
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rangi |
as it will surely take longer than a quick db insert |
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libsysguy |
that is the chief complaint I hear |
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libsysguy |
"we deleted something but its still showing up" |
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libsysguy |
so I preach patience :p |
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rangi |
yep try the indexer from fredericd |
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rangi |
it solves that |
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libsysguy |
interesting |
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rangi |
the limitation of the cron is its using cron :) |
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rangi |
and 1min is as low as you can go |
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rangi |
plus a hit on startup |
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mle_ |
boom |
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rangi |
the indexer runs as a daemon |
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rangi |
you take that startup hit out, and it can run faster |
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mle_ |
hands up if you are coming to auld reekie next week! |
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libsysguy |
meh we just restart to kill the memory leaks :p |
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mle_ |
hi #koha |
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cait |
auld reekie is edinburgh? then my hand goes up :) |
| 22:23 |
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* mle_ |
is in the pib, listening to an awesome gseloc musician |
| 22:24 |
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mle_ |
ack aye lassie auld reekie ye ken is embrah |
| 22:24 |
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rangi |
me! |
| 22:24 |
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mle_ |
s/pib/pib ahem |
| 22:24 |
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mle_ |
s/pib/pub even |
| 22:24 |
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rangi |
libsysguy: not that indexer, that one is hideous, the new one fredericd wrote |
| 22:25 |
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libsysguy |
oh ha |
| 22:25 |
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libsysguy |
oops |
| 22:25 |
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mle_ |
sooo who fancies having an awesone gaelic singer session on wednesday night? |
| 22:26 |
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* mle_ |
wishes he could stream realtime |
| 22:26 |
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cait |
:) |
| 22:27 |
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rangi |
sounds good |
| 22:27 |
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mle_ |
i think you wull love it. really. v excited |
| 22:27 |
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mle_ |
i am also tryong to book some gaelic lrssons for y'all |
| 22:27 |
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wahanui |
okay, mle_. |
| 22:28 |
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mle_ |
hey wahanui |
| 22:28 |
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mle_ |
looking fotward to meeting you too |
| 22:28 |
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cait |
:) |
| 22:28 |
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cait |
you don't know what you get yourself into ) |
| 22:29 |
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mle_droid_pub |
hehhe |
| 22:31 |
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rangi |
@later tell paul_p ive attached a fix for the failing unit test to bug 5327 |
| 22:31 |
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huginn` |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:31 |
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mle_droid_pub |
cait yes auld reekie is embrah |
| 22:32 |
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cait |
mememe! |
| 22:32 |
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mle_droid_pub |
becuase it used to smell bad |
| 22:32 |
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cait |
ah, that's not scaring me |
| 22:32 |
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* cait |
remembers rotorua |
| 22:32 |
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mle_droid_pub |
? |
| 22:33 |
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cait |
in nz |
| 22:33 |
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mle_droid_pub |
so i will book norri to play for us on wednesday? |
| 22:33 |
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mle_droid_pub |
i c |
| 22:33 |
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rangi |
yes! |
| 22:34 |
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mle_droid_pub |
\o/ |
| 22:35 |
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cait |
:) |
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