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22:35 cait :)
22:34 mle_droid_pub \o/
22:33 rangi yes!
22:33 mle_droid_pub i c
22:33 mle_droid_pub so i will book norri to play for us on wednesday?
22:33 cait in nz
22:32 mle_droid_pub ?
22:32 * cait remembers rotorua
22:32 cait ah, that's not scaring me
22:32 mle_droid_pub becuase it used to smell bad
22:32 cait mememe!
22:31 mle_droid_pub cait yes auld reekie is embrah
22:31 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
22:31 rangi @later tell paul_p ive attached a fix for the failing unit test to bug 5327
22:29 mle_droid_pub hehhe
22:28 cait you don't know what you get yourself into )
22:28 cait :)
22:28 mle_ looking fotward to meeting you too
22:28 mle_ hey wahanui
22:27 wahanui okay, mle_.
22:27 mle_ i am also tryong to book some gaelic lrssons for y'all
22:27 mle_ i think you wull love it. really. v excited
22:27 rangi sounds good
22:26 cait :)
22:26 * mle_ wishes he could stream realtime
22:25 mle_ sooo who fancies having an awesone gaelic singer session on wednesday night?
22:25 libsysguy oops
22:25 libsysguy oh ha
22:24 rangi libsysguy: not that indexer, that one is hideous, the new one fredericd wrote
22:24 mle_ s/pib/pub even
22:24 mle_ s/pib/pib ahem
22:24 rangi me!
22:24 mle_ ack aye lassie auld reekie ye ken is embrah
22:23 * mle_ is in the pib, listening to an awesome gseloc musician
22:23 cait auld reekie is edinburgh? then my hand goes up :)
22:23 mle_ hi #koha
22:23 libsysguy meh we just restart to kill the memory leaks :p
22:23 mle_ hands up if you are coming to auld reekie next week!
22:23 rangi you take that startup hit out, and it can run faster
22:22 rangi the indexer runs as a daemon
22:22 mle_ boom
22:22 rangi plus a hit on startup
22:22 rangi and 1min is as low as you can go
22:21 rangi the limitation of the cron is its using cron :)
22:21 libsysguy interesting
22:21 rangi it solves that
22:21 rangi yep try the indexer from fredericd
22:20 libsysguy so I preach patience :p
22:19 libsysguy "we deleted something but its still showing up"
22:19 libsysguy that is the chief complaint I hear
22:19 rangi as it will surely take longer than a quick db insert
22:19 cait you can run it every few seconds i think
22:19 libsysguy ohh i gotcha
22:18 rangi you'd want the same idea with solr, stick it in a queue as fast as possible and do the next op and let something else get it indexed
22:18 libsysguy i haven't cait
22:18 rangi so we dont slow circ down
22:17 rangi hence the queue
22:17 rangi it just holds you up
22:17 cait libsysguy: have you looked at the indexer from fredericd?
22:17 rangi you can do live inserts in zebra too
22:17 libsysguy but they do 'live' inserts in solr right
22:16 libsysguy well right now partials have to be queued and run from the cron
22:16 rangi hm?
22:15 libsysguy but it seems like it would benefit partial indexes
22:14 libsysguy that is what I was thinking
22:14 rangi but the nice thing is, it's built to work like that
22:12 rangi you'd defintely want it on a sep machine for a library of decent size
22:12 rangi its cool, but resource heavy
22:12 rangi its a big java stack
22:11 rangi unless by advantage you mean, i want to use all of it all the time :)
22:10 rangi quite the opposite
21:43 libsysguy random question. Will there be any cpu advantage to using solr over zebra?
21:22 rangi my $isbn2 = '0684843897';
21:22 rangi needs this
21:22 rangi yep, but now the test needs to be changed
21:21 cait but the test caught it :)
21:21 rangi is returning diff results than it used to
21:21 rangi https://www.librarything.com/api/thingISBN/0590353403
21:20 rangi that will need a patch
21:20 rangi ohh tricky one
20:57 * rangi fixes
20:57 rangi ahh isbn in db
20:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8140 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Error when exporting label xml
20:56 jenkins_koha kyle: Bug 8140 - [SIGNED-OFF] Error when exporting label xml
20:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #34: UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/34/
20:37 datadoctor See y'all!
20:36 datadoctor You too!
20:27 oleonard Have a good weekend everyone
20:15 huginn` libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
20:15 libsysguy @later tell jcamins http://www.catalystframework.org/calendar/2008/17
20:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #34 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:29 cait jquery++ :)
19:28 datadoctor I'm a big fan of jquery!
19:28 datadoctor Oh, I like that a lot better!!
19:28 oleonard We never used YUI tabs even when we used other YUI stuff.
19:28 oleonard datadoctor: http://jqueryui.com/demos/tabs/
19:27 datadoctor Viewing at the tabview page, looks complicated! http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/tabview/
19:24 cait ah, the tabs
19:24 cait perhaps split it up a bit?
19:23 oleonard That tabs patch is kind of a beast though, lots of changes. Nothing serious, but lots of minor changes.
19:23 datadoctor nice
19:23 cait datadoctor: we are kicking it out ;)
19:23 cait oleonard: brave and awesome!
19:23 datadoctor oleonard: Yui rock!
19:23 oleonard thanks cait I'm working on datepickers now :)
19:22 cait oleonard++ for lots of yui work :)
19:22 cait dpavlin++
19:21 oleonard dpavlin_away++ # for lots of plack work today
19:09 cait magnuse++ :)
19:03 cait hi rangi :)
19:03 rangi hi cait
19:02 jwagner Some of the greatest scientific discoveries were made accidentally :-) But can you replicate it?
19:02 cait but I didn't intend to...
19:02 jwagner cait, you're cloning yourself?
19:01 cait hm
19:01 wahanui cait1 is not sure how much they paid :(
19:01 cait cait1?
18:53 * libsysguy was afraid you'd say taht
18:52 * jcamins would go for integration, probably...
18:52 libsysguy and there isn't much worse than killing ideas
18:52 libsysguy and thanksâ€¦I already feel like if I screw this up the whole idea dies with me lol
18:51 libsysguy i guess the real question is should I finish this with integration in mind or demo in mind
18:51 libsysguy i mean, should I showcase dbix::versioning or can i just modify the database freely without worrying about integration
18:51 libsysguy well it kind of depends on what I do
18:50 libsysguy heh
18:50 jcamins No pressure. :P
18:50 jcamins libsysguy: depends how good a job you do. :P
18:50 libsysguy i don't know if i put a large enough emphasis on the if there :p
18:49 libsysguy so with the work that I am doingâ€¦it would be totally scrapped and we'd start with another area of koha *IF* we decided to move right?
18:46 libsysguy well it certainly looks like that is supportedâ€¦so yayy
18:46 libsysguy oh heh
18:46 libsysguy morning rangi
18:46 jcamins libsysguy: support for Memcached and Fastmmap.
18:45 rangi morning
18:45 libsysguy what is it that you wanted but Cache::Cache doesn't have
18:44 libsysguy coolâ€¦well I'm glad I won't hose everything by proposing this
18:44 jcamins It looks like Catalyst's Cache plugin would meet my requirements, even though Cache::Cache does not.
18:43 jcamins It doesn't really matter... as I said, it would be easy to change.
18:43 slef Chi River, Thailand
18:43 libsysguy boo
18:43 libsysguy still can't find anythign
18:41 jcamins Maybe?
18:41 jcamins Cache Handling Interface?
18:41 libsysguy haha disregard that then
18:41 jcamins No idea.
18:41 jcamins Uhhh...
18:41 libsysguy what does CHI stand for?
18:41 libsysguy i couldn't find it either
18:40 jcamins (or we could use the CHI plugin, which exists but I'm not finding in CPAN)
18:40 jcamins It would be easy to change Koha::Cache to use Catalyst::Plugin::Cache if we switch to Catalyst.
18:40 libsysguy i can honestly say I feel overwhelmed by the size of what I am trying to undertake lol
18:39 libsysguy i figured that was the one you found
18:39 jcamins Just read it.
18:38 jcamins Yep.
18:38 libsysguy did you see this http://search.cpan.org/dist/Catalyst-Plugin-Cache/
18:38 * libsysguy doesn't have much experience in the area of caching
18:38 jcamins Though Catalyst::Plugin::Cache, which uses Cache::Cache also exists.
18:36 libsysguy first question :p
18:36 libsysguy haha
18:35 jcamins Catalyst::Plugin::CHI.
18:35 * jcamins has settled fairly definitely on CHI, so I don't suppose it would much matter if Catalyst used something else.
18:35 sekjal jcamins: it's pluggable... not sure if a CHI plugin has been written or not
18:35 jcamins Fastmmap. That's not a framework, that's just a particular Cache.
18:34 libsysguy Cache::Fastmap
18:34 libsysguy i think
18:34 libsysguy there is fastmap
18:33 jcamins Framework, like CHI or Cache::Cache or ...
18:33 libsysguy anyone or just memcache
18:32 jcamins libsysguy: does Catalyst integrate with any particular caching framework?
18:28 libsysguy i didn't know DBIC supported LDAP queries
18:27 libsysguy wahanui is tired
18:27 libsysguy haha
18:27 jcamins Well, anyway, there's a good reading list on the page wahanui isn't directing you to.
18:27 wahanui no idea, jcamins
18:27 jcamins wahanui: hello?
18:27 wahanui somebody said git was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
18:27 jcamins git?
18:24 libsysguy I need to get better at using git so I am better at testing
18:24 jcamins I tested it, and liked how it worked, but there were objections to the implementation.
18:23 sekjal that's the one I was originally looking for
18:23 jcamins ^^ there's a bug about replacing updatedatabase.
18:23 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
18:23 jcamins @query nonlinear
18:22 libsysguy jcamins we have jenkins for deployments anyway :p
18:22 jcamins libsysguy: DeploymentHandler also looks like it would be a lot more complicated to start using.
18:19 libsysguy which according to rangi is akin to Date::Manip :p
18:18 libsysguy poor DeploymentHandler requires Moose
18:17 jcamins DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned wins, hands down.
18:17 jcamins Oh, wait, no, never mind.
18:17 libsysguy There is a catalyst plugin for both of those
18:17 jcamins DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler would be even snazzier.
18:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5837 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Change installer to use DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned instead of updatedatabase.pl
18:16 sekjal bug 5837
18:16 jcamins That one.
18:16 libsysguy finally I beat jcamins to something :p
18:16 jcamins DBIx::Class::Versioned would be a good option for this, I think.
18:16 libsysguy http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class/lib/DBIx/Class/Schema/Versioned.pm
18:16 libsysguy so like versioning for database
18:15 sekjal I think having each db update as a file, with a common set of actions on it, would give us a lot more flexability as far as parallel developments go
18:14 * libsysguy goes to the googles
18:14 libsysguy 0_0
18:13 sekjal non-linear database update
18:13 libsysguy sorry, erroneous 'is'
18:13 jcamins (your message cut off after "conflicting database changes is")
18:13 libsysguy well I am working on notices
18:13 libsysguy heh
18:13 * jcamins waits eagerly to hear what the options are for how to integrate conflicting database changes.
18:12 libsysguy sekjal, you know im working on my proof of concept and eventually I would like to see it integrated. IT seems rather improbable to just spend a full release cycle on migrating stuff so an incremental transition seems to be the only way to go. My question is, what do you think the best way to integrate conflicting database changes is
18:11 sekjal I wouldn't think so...
18:09 jcamins Doesn't seem like you should get a 404 no matter what your setup.
18:09 sekjal seems to be okay on this more robust machine
18:09 sekjal I assume it was just a lack of good set up on my part
18:09 sekjal gave me a 404
18:09 sekjal my one laptop VM wouldn't let me add a biblio to a list from opac-detail
18:09 jcamins Sorry, I swear I was paying attention.
18:07 jcamins Oh, right.
18:07 sekjal one of the areas the replacement occurs is in ShelfPossibleActions()
18:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8164 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Replace IFNULL() with COALESCE() in all database calls
18:06 sekjal bug 8164
18:06 jcamins sekjal: what is it you were trying?
18:05 sekjal suppose I should try on this machine....
18:04 sekjal no, patch is still untested
18:02 jcamins sekjal: did you ever sort out your lists problem?
17:30 slef I hope I recorded that somewhere :)
17:29 jcamins She said you could move her talk to whenever you wanted.
17:29 slef ok... I warned nengard I might do this to her so hope she's OK with it too :)
17:29 jcamins I was just checking my schedule.
17:29 jcamins Yup.
17:29 slef jcamins: can you confirm?
17:29 jcamins That works fine for me.
17:29 kf if it's ok for him :)
17:28 kf ask jared
17:28 kf sounds ok
17:28 kf lol
17:28 slef kf: gbenga is unsure about day 1, asks for a later slot. So gbenga to 2pm day 3, nengard from there to 4pm day 1, jcamins from there to 4pm day 3, slef from there to 2pm day 3. OK?
17:28 kf jcamins: we are talking about slef... it might be...
17:28 jcamins kf: confusing you! :P
17:27 kf what for? :)
17:27 kf slef: eek
17:26 slef kf: I'm messing up your schedule.... OK?
17:25 jcamins slef: that would work fine, I think.
17:24 slef jcamins: mmmm... what about 4pm day 3?
17:24 jcamins slef: that might be a bit tricky... I think that'd be 8am.
17:23 wizzyrea so yea it probably fits in RAM
17:23 slef no, 2h earlier
17:22 slef jcamins: same time I think... checking
17:22 bencahill wizzyrea: gz'ed backup is 6MB
17:22 wahanui somebody said time was like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. or generously donated to giving support in #koha but if you need more help faster than we can give it try http://koha-community.org/support/paid/
17:22 jcamins slef: what time?
17:22 bencahill Unfortunately, I don't have SSH access right now (wtf?), but I'll restore that ASAP...
17:22 wizzyrea there might be some things you could do to tune MySQL so it ran better
17:22 slef jcamins: can I move you to day 3?
17:21 wizzyrea well if size of db uncompressed < 700ish MB it would fit
17:21 * jcamins is day one, sorry.
17:21 * slef looks at the programme
17:21 bencahill wizzyrea: I don't know, I haven't tried. :-/
17:20 slef help! Anyone from kohacon day 2 or 3 willing to trade for a day 1 slot?
17:20 bencahill wizzyrea: Right now just an old IDE drive. ~2000 items/biblios
17:20 wizzyrea does your whole DB fit in RAM?
17:20 wizzyrea what kind of disks do you have in this box
17:19 bencahill Is my main limiting factor right now the CPU?
17:18 bencahill Okay.
17:17 jcamins I think I'd probably go with a 4-core rather than a 2-core.
17:17 bencahill We are planning on upgrading it, I just don't know if I should get a fast 2-core rather than a 4-core or 6-core that may not be as fast per-core...
17:16 bencahill Yes, I know... :P
17:16 jcamins That's kind of an old processor.
17:16 jcamins Hmmm...
17:16 wizzyrea oh a p4
17:16 bencahill It's got a P4 2.4 with 800MB (ish?) of RAM, but it never runs out of RAM, afaik.
17:15 jcamins !
17:15 bencahill Right now, my system uses 100% CPU for requests (monitoring with top), and requests take 6-8 seconds normally.
17:14 jcamins bencahill: your system is probably going to run out of memory and crash before the CPU is so busy that extra cores are *needed*.
17:14 wizzyrea it's mostly i/o bound
17:12 bencahill jcamins: What do you mean by 'Koha mostly isn't CPU-bound'?
17:12 jcamins If it's separate, I'm not sure it will make that much of a difference, since Koha mostly isn't CPU-bound.
17:11 jcamins If you're running MySQL on the same server as Apache, you should notice pretty significant improvement when the server is busy.
17:11 bencahill That's what I figured. :P
17:11 jcamins bencahill: yes and no.
17:10 bencahill Hey guys, I think I asked this before, but don't really remember. Will koha benefit from multiple cores?
17:09 jcamins (it certainly is in master, but I think the change got in before 3.8, too)
17:08 jcamins SJeffery: it requires a couple of configuration changes. As of 3.8, I think it's actually an option in the installer.
17:08 SJeffery btw, is turning on icu a big issue, or just something simple?
17:07 Oak yup. God bless you all.
17:07 jcamins Ah.
17:07 Oak :) option a) and b) ... ICU or normalization
17:06 jcamins Oak: what did I do?
17:06 Oak jcamins++
16:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , table of contents not printing right if entered right
16:29 kf bug 6617
16:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1922 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Table of Contents Tab
16:29 kf bug 1922
16:22 jcamins SJeffery: so the script will take care of the normalization in your current records, but you will still run into problems with searching non-Roman character sets.
16:22 jcamins Along with eleventy billion other things. :/
16:22 SJeffery That did fix the one record, so the script would be the fix:)
16:22 jcamins oleonard: yes it is. It's on my to-do list.
16:21 oleonard jcamins: Seems like an easy thing to add to Koha
16:21 jcamins oleonard: the other way those <link> tags are useful is that it makes it easier for me to jQuery fun features into existence which depend on having direct access to the MARCXML.
16:20 SJeffery =hello
16:19 SJeffery Oh hellp, I just found some enhancements we are going to take care of...1922 and 6617!
16:19 jcamins If so, option B) is to run the touch_all_biblios script, which will correct the normalization.
16:18 jcamins I'm pretty sure that will fix the one record.
16:18 SJeffery Will check, need to wait for reindex job in 10 minutes
16:17 jcamins (for that record only)
16:17 jcamins If you open one of the records and save it, will the search start working?
16:17 jcamins The other option is to renormalize.
16:17 jcamins That will ensure that no matter what weird diacritics you might throw at it, it will work.
16:17 jcamins Then reindex.
16:17 jcamins The preferred solution is to enable ICU on the server.
16:17 slef me bodges a temporary solution
16:17 jcamins There are two.
16:17 jcamins lol
16:17 jcamins oleonard: it means that Endnote will Just Work if you give it a URL.
16:17 slef ooh flipping heck
16:16 wahanui slef: I forgot solution
16:16 slef wahanui: forget Solution
16:16 huginn` slef: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 37 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: * wizzyrea too
16:16 slef @seen wizzyrea
16:16 slef wizzyrea: help! I can't upload images to the gallery any more!
16:15 SJeffery *smacks the bot upside the head*
16:14 wahanui rumour has it Solution is to use the proper template syntax
16:14 SJeffery Solution?
16:14 jcamins It's normalized in the search, though, so it doesn't recognize the words as the same.
16:14 jcamins (nor does IE)
16:13 jcamins SJeffery: so the problem is the Unicode normalization. The record is normalized to have separate diacritics, which Zebra doesn't like.
16:13 oleonard jcamins: How does the user take advantage of that?
16:13 SJeffery I really like
16:13 jcamins Beautiful, isn't it?
16:13 kf oh
16:12 jcamins Particularly the <link> tags.
16:12 jcamins Look at the source.
16:12 jcamins kf: http://mirlyn.lib.umich.edu/Record/000422068/Details#tabs
16:12 kf (what are alternate formats?)
16:12 jcamins kf: I know.
16:12 kf jcamins: we have to make koha do that too!
16:12 jcamins ICU.
16:11 SJeffery My net connection hates me. I think the last thing you said was something about UID?
16:10 jcamins Wow. Vufind does alternate formats right.
15:57 jcamins (that's done server-side)
15:57 jcamins Probably the thing to do is enable ICU.
15:56 * jcamins catches up with himself.
15:56 jcamins If you were using ICU, I would've have had to ask it.
15:56 jcamins Sorry, that was a silly question.
15:55 jcamins Are you using ICU?
15:55 jcamins The record probably wasn't normalized properly.
15:54 jcamins Yes, that's important.
15:54 jcamins Ohhh.
15:53 SJeffery FWIW, I don't know if it matters that at least in IE it is giving that box instead of the special character in the serps, but the URL contains the proper special character.
15:52 jcamins Okay, just checking it was bringing up the right results.
15:52 SJeffery Yep, it includes all four results.
15:52 jcamins Does it include the results in that series?
15:52 SJeffery If I search for just the first two words I get four results.
15:51 SJeffery No results match your search for 'se,phr:"Mapa metalogenetico de Espaï¿½a e."'
15:50 jcamins Try removing the 1:200.000
15:50 SJeffery Just tried that, no change
15:50 jcamins Try removing the " ;" at the end?
15:50 jcamins Hm.
15:49 SJeffery Hmm. A search for /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=se,phr:"Mapa metalogenetico de EspaÃ±a e. 1:200.000 ;" gives no results found.
15:44 jcamins SJeffery: there was a problem with parentheses, but searches for non-Roman characters should work on all indexes with ICU enabled.
15:43 SJeffery Does anyone know the bug number for the problem with search-links to series with foreign language characters not working? (not 5369, that was fixed in 3.6.3) My search-fu is failing me this morning.
15:41 jcamins Wow, the upgrade past hourly really takes forever, doesn't it?
15:05 jwagner self, I vaguely remember working on org patron problems a long time ago, but would have to dig
15:03 reiveune1 bye
15:03 kf well... he is kind of the eldest... he knows how things were looong times ago
15:03 slef he'll feel like it's groundhog day
15:02 slef let's all ask rangi
15:02 kf but it would explain why there was a list
15:02 kf and that got broken a long while ago I guess
15:02 kf slef: iirc he said it used to be an n:n thing, one organisation could be part of n others and so on
15:01 kf slef: you should ask rangi
15:00 slef oleonard, jwagner: you might know about that too.
15:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6697 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Empty Organisation(s) field for organisational patrons
15:00 slef kf: do you know the answer to Bug 6697 or should I try to put it in discussion?
15:00 kf ouch :(
14:59 slef I was... then a ranger broke my arm. Not sure I went back.
14:59 kf :)
14:59 * kf imagines slef as a scout
14:57 slef but we have tried to be good scouts! Be Prepared!
14:56 kf another good reason
14:56 slef jcamins: I fear that happening next week
14:55 slef kf: actually it's because I'm not at my own desk
14:55 jcamins slef: could be worse... it could be on the other side of the country.
14:55 kf bad planning? *ducks*
14:55 slef why is everything I need for work at the other end of the flat!
14:52 Oak well okay. i accept. but still sad you all are going.
14:50 * kf sends Oak cookies
14:48 Oak *sigh* so lucky... those going
14:41 kf monday!! :)
14:41 kf heh
14:35 slef I think BR is the only member of our co-op that I haven't roped in yet.
14:35 slef tee hee... just gave mjkaye a stationery shopping list for kohacon12
14:27 kf yes, it's not easy :(
14:26 datadoctor Plus there are the three AcqCreateItems methods, and corresponding workflows. The procedure needs to be useful for different workflows.
14:25 datadoctor If something is missing, the scripts fail.
14:25 datadoctor The process is difficult to automate because of the item creation process - a lot of information is passed through the Receive scripts.
14:24 kf hi wizzyrea :)
14:24 kf batch receiving multiple order lines is the missing piece I think?
14:23 kf not only current, I think you pretty much could always do that
14:23 datadoctor I mean receiving multiple items.
14:23 * wizzyrea_away waves
14:23 datadoctor Go yui!
14:22 datadoctor I understand that current Koha incorporates a mechanism for simultaneously accepting mutliple items per title.
14:22 kf oleonard++ for kicking out a part of yui :)
14:22 kf not one for each item
14:22 kf and itwill only be one line in parcel for the title
14:22 kf yes
14:22 datadoctor Each order line shows a title, however multiple items may be received for that title.
14:21 kf one basket can have multiple orderlines, each orderline can order multiple items
14:21 datadoctor I know - I'm looking for a more solid workflow.
14:21 kf what I mean is order lines are an 1:n relationship to items
14:21 kf ok, really confused now
14:20 datadoctor t match the physical invoice total.
14:20 datadoctor If the invoice doesn't correspond to the physical inventory received then the basket total won'
14:20 kf I may be irritated because I am not a native speaker :)
14:19 datadoctor Our procedure is to create an order, populate it with items, then receive the shipment. The "Already Received" items should correspond one-to-one to our physical invoice. The title is created with the item, using the Z3950 search.
14:16 kf basket = order, containing order lines for different bibliographic titles, each oder line ordering 1 or more items/copies of the title for the library
14:15 kf datadoctor: no wrng, order lines
14:15 kf datadoctor: hm I think we are using different vocabulary - what you call items I would call orders, and orders can have multiple items ordered
14:12 kf using acq but not creating items on the titles
14:12 datadoctor kf Thanks for your input. I'm going to talk it over with my colleague, Jorge.
14:10 datadoctor I'm thinking that the item is not attached to an order in that case...
14:08 datadoctor 't use the Acquisitions tools?
14:08 datadoctor I understand AcqCreateItem settings "placing an order" and "receiving an order" but what is when "cataloging a record?" Is that for folks who don
14:06 datadoctor We did notice the different behavior with the AcqCreateItem setting.
14:06 datadoctor Sounds good. I don't want to put in too much work until we are upgraded to 3.8 later this Summer. However, our tech svcs. need it now (new budget = big orders), so hopefully we can provide a skeleton for future work in 3.8
14:05 kf if that makes sense
14:04 kf datadoctor: there is also some work done on the item part of acq in 3.8 and 3.6 - so it might need more work to make it work for these versions.
14:04 datadoctor Thank you! I will look at that closely.
14:04 kf datadoctor: I think important is tomake sure it works for all settings of AcqCreateItem system preference
13:56 huginn` 04Bug 8179: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Receiving items requires repetitive clicking.
13:56 datadoctor Try this instead: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8179
13:51 datadoctor Hmm - do I have something on this in Koha bugzilla?
13:50 huginn` 04Bug 4480: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 033 tag and Zebra date indexing
13:50 datadoctor http://ticket.bywatersolutions.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4480
13:49 datadoctor I will post to our bug report after we test the patch thoroughly.
13:49 datadoctor Writing for our 3.5 install, may need to be modified for 3.8.x
13:48 datadoctor Combining the orderreceive.pl with the finishreceive.pl yields a batch process for receiving all items on an order in one click.
13:47 datadoctor Working on the Acquistions process today. We are having trouble with Receiving items.
13:46 datadoctor ;)
13:46 oleonard datadoctor I think wahanui is putting the moves on you
13:46 wahanui well, evening is better for me - but not too late
13:46 datadoctor Or evening!
13:45 datadoctor Good morning!
13:39 * oleonard prepares his glamour shot to submit for next year
13:39 oleonard So, anyone else *not* get a call about this? http://www.businessinsider.com/top-15-sexiest-programmers-2012-2012-5
13:38 Oak hmm
13:38 oleonard But I think it would be nice to have that gallery promote nice looking OPACs which have done it with pure CSS+JS
13:38 Oak i wish we could have something like child themes in wordpress?
13:37 oleonard Of course you can do whatever you want, and there are smart ways to do it and dumb ways to do it
13:37 Oak yes
13:37 Oak because it will get overwritten... that's the only reason i can think of...
13:37 oleonard Making changes to templates is discouraged because of the problem it creates with maintainability
13:37 Oak i mean it's not good?
13:36 Oak so... customizing the template is discouraged?
13:34 asaurat yep, would be great to promote this kind of customization
13:30 oleonard If each of those links has no template modifications we could modify the description of the page to ask for CSS/JS-only changes
13:29 asaurat :/
13:29 asaurat right
13:29 oleonard ...since the page doesn't specify what kind of customizations we want to see.
13:28 oleonard Probably not
13:27 asaurat are we talking about CSS customization and no template modification ?
13:27 asaurat1 about this list : http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gallery_of_customized_OPACs
13:16 Oak \o
13:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8174 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OpacNavBottom appears between OpacNav and Patron Links when patron is logged in and browses to /koha/opac-main.pl
13:10 oleonard anyone understand Bug 8174?
11:57 Oak hi esofiane
11:57 esofiane hi #koha
10:06 mtompset Something is freaky messed up with my perl installation, I think.
10:05 mtompset Strange... it said I had stemmers installed but they couldn't be found.
09:51 francharb :)
09:51 slef little tip for future reference... don't organise a conference if you have no two members in the same town ;)
09:51 francharb but it tooks every entry from every lists of my page
09:51 kf slef: drive carefully :)
09:51 francharb i did sorted my list
09:51 francharb for the sorting jquery
09:51 francharb kf :)
09:51 * slef will roll Norfolk -> Edinburgh
09:50 kf francharb: zÃ¼rich - amsterdam - edinburgh :)
09:39 francharb i will fly from lyon -> amsterdam -> edinburgh
09:39 francharb yep
09:39 kf or not...
09:38 kf it was lyon, right?
09:38 kf thought you might be travelling separately from lyon
09:38 francharb It's going to be fun!
09:38 kf ah, cool :)
09:38 francharb I take this plane too
09:38 francharb ;)
09:38 francharb maybe we will be on the same row
09:37 francharb great
09:37 kf I found out I am on the same plane as the biblibre crowd from marseille
09:37 francharb around 4pm
09:37 francharb on monday
09:37 francharb but i just find a function that looks nice
09:37 kf when will you arrive?
09:37 kf francharb: next week!!
09:37 francharb :)
09:37 francharb i tried and failed
09:36 francharb i'm on it
09:36 francharb yep
09:36 kf francharb: no, sorry - have you tried google?
09:32 francharb anyone?
09:32 francharb have you ever tried to sort a dropdown menu with jquery?
08:56 Oak time to reboot
08:55 Oak :)
08:55 Oak i _knew_ it
08:54 kf Oak: how did you know??
08:54 Oak stop it.
08:54 Oak kf, this is the 28th time you have done that ;)
08:52 * kf checks on her tickets for monday :)
08:50 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow is also interesting
08:49 cjh http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
08:49 kf there are pages on the wiki explaining the workflow, let me check
08:48 kf except for the one who wrote the patch of course
08:48 kf everyone can
08:47 mtompset Who signs off?
08:47 mtompset But the status is 'Needs Sign off'
08:47 mtompset It looks like there's a fix for it.
08:47 mtompset I reported a bug yesterday.
08:46 mtompset Are either of you familiar with the bug reporting cycle?
08:42 mtompset Especially when you are working for a worldwide NGO. :)
08:42 magnuse small world ;-)
08:41 mtompset I have friends from both your countries. :)
08:41 * magnuse waves from norway
08:41 mtompset I'm a Canadian in the Philippines. :)
08:40 kf Germany
08:39 mtompset kf, where are you from?
08:38 mtompset Well, that's not super useful, I didn't reply in a reasonable amount of time.
08:37 mtompset Especially useful if you don't want to install DESKTOP stuff on your SERVER.
08:36 mtompset Oak... LYNX ... it's an awesome text browser, and it works for the web setup portion of the install.
08:32 wahanui rumour has it mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
08:32 kf mailing list?
08:31 kf mailinglist?
08:31 kf mailinglists?
08:31 kf mailinglists>?
08:26 Oak let me think about it... the Debian and Mint.... thing.
08:26 Oak than you!
08:26 Oak okay later slef :)
08:26 slef now really in a meeting :)
08:25 slef but hey, freedom of choice is good.
08:25 slef I stick with debian most of the time.
08:25 slef biab - if you want to know more, I'm happy to find the links to the explanation if it's not on http://mozilla.debian.net
08:25 Oak so... what do you recommend? I stick with Debian, or do I try Mint?
08:24 Oak got it.
08:24 Oak ah isee.
08:24 slef I don't think anyone's blocking it from non-free, but packaging it is a lot of work and no-one's volunteered as far as I know.
08:24 Oak *sigh*
08:24 Oak Debian people could just let it get added to the non-free repository...
08:24 slef well... this is a well-known red line which predates firefox or even mozilla foundation
08:23 Oak or Debian won't back down
08:23 slef mozilla use trademarks to lock firefox down (unlike most software that uses copyright)
08:23 slef there is a dispute but it's pretty small and it sucks that mozilla foundation won't back down
08:23 slef mostly
08:22 Oak you were joking
08:22 Oak oh wait
08:22 Oak really? educate me.
08:22 Oak huh?
08:22 slef mozilla hates you and wants to steal your freedom, you know? ;-)
08:22 Oak just because.
08:22 Oak because
08:21 slef huh? Why are you installing firefox instead of just using iceweasel?
08:21 Oak well, okay
08:21 slef Oak: sounds good. Record and document how it goes?
08:21 Oak I just installed Debian and had no idea it will so much fuss to install Firefox
08:21 Oak i think i should be able to do it easily... just add the line in sources.list... and import gpg key and good to go?
08:20 Oak will i be able to install koha-common on it?
08:20 Oak LinuxMint uses Debian testing's repositories
08:20 huginn` slef: Karma for "ms_word" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
08:20 slef @karma ms_word
08:20 slef ms_word--
08:20 Oak :)
08:20 Oak ms_word--
08:19 kf word++
08:19 kf ms_word--
08:19 Oak word?
08:19 kf word--
08:16 Oak koha-common is not available in Debian testing (Wheezy), right?
07:46 slef the sick perl script basically makes a dummy marcxml marc21 authorities file from text lines
07:43 slef kf: I'm using things like http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Authors_not_in_the_Authorities (which I've a bugfix for... needs a DISTINCT and an ORDER BY) and some sick perl scripts.
07:42 kf slef: not sure if there is an easy way to fix that, perhaps worth asking jared
07:41 slef headings not in authorities yet... I don't think their previous system enforced the authorities file
07:41 kf what's the problem with the 3549?
07:41 slef thanks all
07:41 slef that's 1724 of them fixed, only another 3549 to do
07:40 slef yay!
07:39 wahanui kf: I forgot link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
07:39 kf wahanui forget link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
07:39 slef I searched for link but in the wrong folder (oops)
07:39 wahanui link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is, like, something that you run because you did something wrong with my system, and now you want to fix it by doing something you probably shouldn't be doing
07:39 slef link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
07:38 kf linkauthtobibssomething
07:38 rangi link something something
07:38 rangi Just works tons better
07:37 kf there are several system preferences you can look at under authorities and a rewritten script
07:37 rangi Same script
07:37 kf a lot nicer and reliable way
07:37 slef kf: 3.8.mumble
07:37 slef ooh is there a nicer way to do this now?
07:37 wahanui which version are you looking at?
07:37 kf slef: which version?
07:37 kf slef: you use the awesome work jcamins has done
07:36 wahanui marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html
07:36 slef wahanui: marc21
07:35 slef I'm sure I've done this a few times before but I can't remember how... how do I link imported authorities to imported biblios?
07:27 mtompset Sorry we couldn't help more.
07:20 monisa OK THANKU ALL FOR UR TIME
07:17 gaetan_B o/ :)
07:17 Oak kia ora #koha
07:17 slef :-/
07:13 mtompset It sounds like there is some sneaky redirection going on.
07:13 mtompset Have you had your computer scanned for viruses?
07:13 mtompset Sorry. I don't know how to help. That is an Amazon issue.
07:08 monisa PLS GUIDE
07:08 monisa I MADE ANEW EMAIL THEN TRIED THAN ALSO HE IS ASKING FOR CARD NUMBER
07:07 mtompset Though, it doesn't ask me for mine.
07:06 mtompset Well, you probably registered your card with the account, and that's their security measure.
07:02 monisa http://aws.amazon.com/ when i go to sign up, it says that my email is registered , when i go to forget password it asks for credit card
06:58 wahanui niihau, reiveune
06:58 reiveune hello
06:57 monisa hello
06:55 monisa at this time i am ok with this version just need help for amazon images and book review
06:55 francharb :(
06:54 monisa yes, this page, when i go to sign up, it says that my email is registered , when i go to forget password it asks for credit card
06:53 francharb and monisa, mtompset is right. if you can ask to install the last version, I also think it's a good idea! ;)
06:52 mtompset There have been significant improvements on this functionality since 2.2.9
06:52 francharb monisa, you also need to activate in Koha AmazonCoverImages and OPACAmazonCoverImages... well, whatever you need! ;)
06:51 francharb and the Secret Access Key for AWSPrivateKey
06:50 francharb and you will have your access key id (to set up AWSAccessKeyID )
06:50 francharb monisa, once you are logged in, go to "Security credentials" > Access credentials
06:48 francharb ?
06:48 francharb are you on this page : http://aws.amazon.com/
06:47 francharb monisa, the amazon web service account is free
06:46 monisa what are appropriate values for AmazonAssocTag and AmazonDevKey, when i go amazon web services, it is asking for credit card number, that i dont have now. what i want is just image and book review from amazon, all other things in koha win version 2.2.9 is ok
06:45 mtompset In which case, you may want to talk to your system administrators about whether or not policy allows you to run a virtual machine.
06:44 julian_m hello!
06:44 monisa corporate environment
06:44 mtompset is the website of a reasonably good and free product.
06:43 mtompset https://www.virtualbox.org/
06:42 mtompset Or are you in a corporate environment which has locked down certain functionalities?
06:42 mtompset To be more precise, are you able to install any software you want on your computer?
06:41 francharb monisa, is it an option for you to run a more recent install on a virtual machine?
06:41 paul_p good morning #koha
06:40 mtompset The most recent version is either 3.6.X or 3.8.X
06:40 francharb monisa, look for "AmazonEnabled"
06:40 mtompset The problem is the windows version is 2.2.9
06:40 mtompset ^mot^most^
06:40 monisa in system preference where is the amozon configuration for images and book review
06:40 mtompset I personally would recommend running a virtual machine on your windows box and do the mot recent linux install in the virtual environment.
06:39 francharb check if you have
06:39 francharb I can't tell if the sytem preferences we know in the actual version were in yours
06:39 francharb but I never worked with your version
06:38 francharb monisa, what you need is to set up the correct system preferences
06:37 wahanui somebody said the windows version was really really really old, and totally unsupported
06:37 francharb the windows version?
06:37 monisa any one else pls help
06:36 mtompset Hello, francharb. I'm not familiar with the windows version, monisa. Sorry. I just started hanging out here yesterday. :)
06:34 monisa Hi, i am using koha 2.2.9 for windows, how can i get a book image from amazon pls help
06:18 francharb hello
05:02 Oak kia ora #koha
05:02 Oak \o
02:49 mtompset Good day. ;)
02:48 jcamins Good night, #koha.
02:48 * jcamins calls it a night, now that the data load has completed.
02:46 jcamins COUNT() would have been a better way to find out whether the data had finished loading.
02:46 jcamins mtompset: 400k records.
02:45 mtompset So what did you find in zebraqueue?
02:45 jcamins Right.
02:45 mtompset or blame. ;)
02:44 jcamins So that you can get credit for your patches.
02:44 jcamins You have to *enter* your e-mail, though.
02:44 jcamins E-mail isn't so important anymore.
02:44 mtompset I've been trying and failing for days!
02:44 jcamins I just ran SELECT * FROM zebraqueue;
02:44 mtompset GAH! not setting up email!
02:43 jcamins What was I thinking?
02:43 jcamins And then you can submit patches easily.
02:42 jcamins Yup.
02:41 mtompset I figure I'll try to get the git version working on my test machine, so as I come across bugs it will be easier to tell if they were fixed or not.
02:40 jcamins Yeah, if there's an if, definitely go with short circuiting.
02:40 jcamins It got me started back when I had never even managed to get CVS working right.
02:40 jcamins ^^ that page is *great*
02:40 wahanui rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
02:40 jcamins git?
02:40 mtompset How do I set up the git stuff?
02:39 mtompset and since you're here...
02:39 mtompset defined(...) && ...
02:39 mtompset well, I figure we can use short-circuiting
02:38 jcamins Ah, then there should be an if (defined $item{'materials'})
02:38 mtompset Not because of the template, though.
02:38 mtompset But the check to set the flag generates an error in the log, because it is undefined.
02:37 jcamins 952$3 is for something like "Companion CD-ROM." :)
02:37 jcamins Yeah, there will be an [% IF itemloo.materials %] in the template.
02:36 mtompset it is used to set a flag which is sent to the template.
02:36 mtompset 952$3 if that means anything to you.
02:32 jcamins If it's actually being processed in some way by catalogue/detail.pl, there should be.
02:32 jcamins mtompset: if it's just used to pass to the template, the check is in the template.
02:32 jcamins I have no idea what that field is used for, so, yeah, probably not a vital one.
02:30 mtompset But there's no defined() check on $item{'materials'} in catalogue/detail.pl
02:29 mtompset SchemaSpy says items.materials can be null.
02:17 mtompset Greetings.
01:56 chris_n a rabbit trail is more like it ;-)
01:53 rangi yeah, it's quite likely im not getting it :)
01:53 jcamins It still could be an inspired idea.
01:53 * chris_n will shut up and go back to writing code now
01:52 chris_n I just thought I was having a brainstorm
01:52 chris_n jcamins: that's basically what I planned to do to start with; have the editor directly mod the marcxml
01:50 chris_n but clearly its a dead end either way so I'll throw that thought out
01:50 jcamins Heh. :)
01:50 chris_n the problem really is that a) I asked an XY question and B) I was thinking out loud :-)
01:49 chris_n well, maybe that's what I was thinking after all...
01:47 jcamins What are you thinking about?
01:47 jcamins Oh.
01:46 chris_n no
01:45 jcamins chris_n: really? Aren't you thinking about how to transform a record using an XSLT stylesheet, and then use the modified result?
01:44 chris_n I think we're on different trains of thought :-)
01:44 jcamins The HTML-rendered output will be keyed to the actual MARCXML.
01:43 * chris_n will have to think about this a bit more
01:43 rangi be tricky, but ultimately awesome!
01:43 rangi *nod*
01:43 jcamins Right, you don't want to edit the transformed-to-HTML part. You want the HTML-based editor to be directly modifying the MARCXML.
01:43 rangi its doing a bunch of different transforms
01:43 chris_n so its not simply for display in some format
01:42 rangi take a look at C4::Record
01:42 chris_n what I'd like to do is produce html; edit; transform back to marcxml; update db
01:42 chris_n I'm experimenting with xslt to replace frameworks in a marc editor
01:41 * rangi might be missing something tho
01:41 rangi and use one thats designed to create whatever you want
01:41 rangi so id just not use our xslt stylesheets which are designed to create html
01:40 chris_n right, that I understand
01:40 rangi if you wanted
01:40 rangi xml + xslt = csv
01:40 rangi it could xml + xslt = txt
01:40 rangi yeah xslt is for doing xml transforms
01:40 * chris_n musta missed something
01:40 jcamins chris_n: doesn't have to be. XSLT transforms XML into arbitrary other XML.
01:40 rangi only our xslt
01:40 chris_n ?
01:39 rangi nope
01:39 chris_n because once you run xml thorugh xslt it is html
01:39 rangi marcxml -> other marcxml ?
01:39 jcamins Would it be better to just render on the clientside?
01:39 rangi what he said :)
01:39 jcamins chris_n: why HTML?
01:38 chris_n marcxml->html->marcxml
01:37 rangi and cut out the lossy middleman?
01:37 rangi couldn't you do xml via xslt -> different xml
01:37 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
01:37 jcamins first question?
01:37 jcamins rangi: good call.
01:36 rangi chris_n: why? :)
01:36 chris_n HTML::Element->as_XML()
01:36 chris_n HTML::Element looks promising
01:32 jcamins chris_n: yeah, if the HTML is structured enough. But it probably won't be.
01:29 * chris_n sets out warm cookies
01:25 chris_n is there a way to "round-trip" xml/xslt -> html -> xslt/xml ?
01:21 chris_n evening
01:19 SDWK Hi All