IRC log for #koha, 2012-04-16

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00:04 mib_1s3kly Hi everyone!
00:04 mib_1s3kly I have just installed koha
00:05 mib_1s3kly i have create a new record, but when i try to index the database with Zebra i get this error:
01:19 mtj aw, c'mon... whats the error?
01:21 eythian that was the error
01:31 rangi heh
01:44 rangi oleonard++
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01:52 renren good day to all
01:52 rangi hi renren
01:53 renren hi
01:53 renren i just want to ask about =koha
01:54 renren is there a way to intigrate the rfid on koha library system aside from Bar code?
01:55 rangi hmm it will need some unique identifier still, does you rfid reader speak SIP2 ?
01:56 * rangi has to go to a meeting in 5 mins, so you might be better asking this on the mailing list
01:57 renren but it is possible to intigrate?
01:58 eythian yes, people have done it
01:58 renren by the way. do u have a installation manual regarding on koha?
01:58 renren im sorry but im a basic linux guy,
01:59 eythian have a look on the website and the wiki, there are plenty of guides there depending on how you want to isntall it
01:59 eythian also the INSTALL docs in the arvhice itself
01:59 * eythian -> meeting
01:59 renren when im installing a koha on linux, there is a lot of error when i comes to perl side
02:10 renren sir eythian
02:11 renren are u still there?
02:17 renren what other ifid that support the koha lib system?
02:19 mtj renren:  ask about rfid on the koha mailing-list
02:21 mtj i do not know what brands of rfid to recommend to you
02:22 mtj and i recommend to use the debian packages for Koha installation on linux
02:22 mtj
02:24 renren ok
02:26 renren is ubuntu is a debian packages?
02:30 mtj hmmm, maybe... i have not tried myself
02:30 renren what kind of debian linux?
02:31 mtj debian stable?
02:32 mtj i'm not sure what you mean
02:32 renren ok
02:32 mtj fyi: 'squeeze' is debian-stable
02:32 renren so im going to download the debian squeeze to install the koha lib system?
02:32 mtj
02:33 mtj Latest stable release6.0.4 (Squeeze)  (28 January 2012; 2 months ago)
02:33 renren ok
02:33 mtj yep, or download a Koha VM
02:34 mtj ... those are the 2 easiest ways to get a Koha running :)
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02:35 mtj renren:  kyle.hall has some good Koha VMs
02:35 mtj[…]irtual-appliance/
02:37 renren thanks for your help guys
02:38 renren by the way.. what kind of rfid do u implement on koha?
02:40 mtj renren: me? i have not done any RFID with Koha , but many people have
02:40 mtj i only have done SIP and 3M self-checkout machines
02:41 renren sip is the direct to pc card reader right?
02:41 mtj so, best to ask RFID questions on the Koha lists - you should get some good info
02:41 renren ok
02:42 mtj no really ->[…]erchange_Protocol
02:42 mtj "The Standard Interchange Protocol is a proprietary standard for communication between library computer systems and self-service circulation terminals."
02:43 mtj s/no/not/ :)
02:43 mtj but yes... its the protocol that card-readers talk to PCs
02:44 renren ahh ok
02:49 rangi fg
02:52 eythian ^Z bg
02:52 eythian[…]4/10/2065727.aspx <-- what "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3" on book copyright pages means
03:08 eythian Somewhere, there's a MARC field for linking to an image of something. Anyone know what that? Not 856$u.
03:08 eythian s/that/that is/
03:08 rangi not me
03:09 eythian I remember seeing it one day, but now I can't remember.
03:09 rangi there is a syspref to enable you to use 866$u for that
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03:10 eythian that might suit
03:10 eythian Display856uAsImage
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04:48 mib_vcfq4w Hi everyone. I have just installed koha. i have create a new record, but when i try to reindex with Zebra i get the following error:
04:48 mib_vcfq4w zebraidx(5748) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
04:48 rangi what version of koha?
04:48 mib_vcfq4w the last version
04:48 mib_vcfq4w 3.6.2
04:49 rangi hmm the latest is 3.6.4
04:49 mib_vcfq4w sorry
04:49 mib_vcfq4w 3.6.4
04:49 mib_vcfq4w you have the reason
04:49 rangi but either way, you shouldn't get that error, how are you running the reindex?
04:50 mib_vcfq4w like this:
04:51 rangi yay for mibbit!
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04:52 mib_8wa7ju like this
04:54 mib_8wa7ju usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tool/ -b -r -v
04:54 rangi try it with -x
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05:13 mib_jytdee i have tried with -x but i get the same error
05:13 mib_jytdee Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
05:14 mib_jytdee when i reindex the record with Zebradb
05:14 mib_jytdee and i can't see in the catalogue the records that i have just create
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05:15 cait morning #koha
05:15 mib_jytdee good morning
05:16 mib_jytdee anyone have an idea that could fix this issue?
05:16 mib_jytdee thanks
05:18 eythian it generally means something is iffy with your data.
05:26 rangi Or record is too long try with -x
05:26 cait hi eythian and rangi :)
05:26 eythian hi cait
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06:13 Amit_Gupta heya cait
06:13 cait hi Amit_Gupta
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06:26 francharb good morning
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06:27 marcelr hello koha
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06:29 alex_a bonjour
06:30 mveron bonjour #koha
06:31 marcelr hi alex_a, mveron & magnuse
06:32 magnuse hiya marcelr & #koha
06:35 eythian this one machine-generated file has dates both in the form 28 October 2011 and 28/11/2011. What madness is this?
06:35 magnuse library madness?
06:35 magnuse @quote get 123
06:35 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
06:35 magnuse ?
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06:37 eythian magnuse: well, library software madness in this case.
06:39 magnuse eythian: ah yes, that would do it, i guess ;-)
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06:52 reiveune hello
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06:53 julian_m hello
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07:01 sophie_m heloo #koha
07:02 sophie_m hello :-)
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07:07 gaetan_B hello #koha !
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07:23 rangi evening
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07:27 dheeraj hi
07:27 wahanui hey, dheeraj
07:27 dheeraj can you guide how i can be support partner of koha in india
07:28 dheeraj how me and my team can become certifited koha professional
07:28 asaurat hi
07:28 dheeraj hi
07:29 magnuse dheeraj:[…]ow-to-get-listed/
07:29 dheeraj need guidence for becoming koha support partner
07:29 magnuse dheeraj: there is no such thing as a "certifited koha professional"
07:29 dheeraj how we can train on koha
07:30 magnuse well, just install it and use, basically...
07:30 magnuse well, just install it and use *it*, basically...
07:31 dheeraj ok, any changes required can we do it our self
07:31 magnuse yup, that's the beauty of it :-)
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07:32 samuel hello everybody!
07:33 rangi hi samuel
07:33 mveron hi everybody
07:34 mveron rangi: I need additional advise on your comment to Bug 7621
07:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
07:34 mveron You say: "It might be better to adapt the frameworks to link the MARC field to a column in biblioitems."
07:34 mveron But that would be kind of hard wired, no? And the field where the age info is stored would not longer be configurable by sysprefs?
07:34 dheeraj can we customize koha our own
07:35 rangi mveron: yep you would have to do it in the frameworks, im fairly sure there is a marc field for it already
07:36 rangi the problem with doing the extractvalue of the marcxml, means that if we do decide to switch to turbomarc, or using the marccolumn etc ..
07:36 rangi then it will break, also, versions of mysql pre 5.1 don't support it
07:37 rangi if you didnt want to store the value in biblioitems
07:38 rangi then probably the next best thing, would be to get a MARC::Record object and do the comparison on the field that way
07:39 rangi i do think the frameworks is the most portable way, because if you add it to the marc21, normarc, and unimarc one
07:39 rangi it shouldn't break
07:39 renren_1922 good day sri
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07:40 mveron hi kf
07:40 renren_1922 can i help me guys where to find the barcode generation on koha?
07:40 renren_1922 thanks
07:40 rangi you mean printing barcodes?
07:41 renren_1922 yes
07:41 rangi manual?
07:41 wahanui manual is at
07:42 renren_1922 yes
07:42 renren_1922 manual barcode generator
07:42 rangi http://manual.koha-community.o[…]labelcreator.html
07:43 mveron rangi: Thanks for the explanation. I am not quit sure I understand the framwork thing. Maybe you can give me a pointer (e.g. to code wher I can see how it is done)?
07:45 rangi mveron: well if you add a column to biblioitems, then you can map that to any marcsubfield in the frameworks
07:45 kf mveron: look at koha-to-marc-mappings on the administration page
07:45 rangi then when someone imports, or catalogues, because that column is mapped, it will end up in the biblioitems table
07:46 mveron rangi: Thanks, great, (Still learning...)
07:46 rangi then its just a simple select biblionumber from biblioitems where agerestriction = ?
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07:46 rangi or, in our case
07:46 rangi if ($data->{'agerestriction'} == 10){
07:47 rangi or something like that :) since in that subroutine we already have all in the biblioitems data in a hashref
07:47 rangi and using the mappings, its still configurable, but not via sysprefs, via the mappings instead, which will mean it should work for all flavours of MARC
07:47 rangi MARC: The standard that isn't
07:50 mveron rangi: Thanks a lot.
07:51 rangi no problem
07:51 rangi it's a good feature
07:54 renren_1922 sir
07:55 renren_1922 what is SIP-2 RFID it will install to the Debian koha server or in the client pc that with windows OS?
08:01 renren_1922 thanks
08:01 renren_1922 guy question..
08:02 renren_1922 where do im going to install the RFID? in the KOHA server or in the client PC?
08:05 slef most of them install on the client I think, but it depends on the RFID pad and I missed the start of this discussion
08:05 slef hi all
08:06 marcelr hi slef
08:06 samuel hi slef
08:06 marcelr slef: is there any page listing the submitted papers for kohacon and hackfest?
08:07 slef marcelr: not yet. This week.
08:07 slef marcelr: probably before Wednesday's meeting
08:08 marcelr ok
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08:08 slef marcelr: why do you want them?
08:08 marcelr well could take a look if i could add one myself
08:08 marcelr first know what it there already
08:09 slef marcelr: if in doubt, submit it. Only an abstract is requested. The worst that can happen is it gets rejected in favour of another talk.
08:10 * slef swears about $otherProject and people who submit enhancements by just mailing the edited file
08:10 marcelr if there is a list on wednesday, i still have time
08:10 slef :(
08:10 kf marcelr: do you have an idea what you want to talk about?
08:10 renren_1922 so the RFID will install on the Client side right?
08:11 marcelr hi kf
08:11 marcelr ideas enough, but want to see other subjects first
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08:39 sturmtruppen morning #koha
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09:01 magnuse so i'm testing analytic records and child records display links to parent records, but parent records are not displaying links to child records - is that how it's supposed to be?
09:03 kf magnuse: ask me again a bit later?
09:03 kf I can tell you, but still busdxy
09:03 kf busy
09:04 magnuse kf: you'll regret saying that moahaha ;-)
09:04 kf hehe I won't
09:12 magnuse anyone know an opac where the "Browse by author or subject" feature is active and working?
09:14 magnuse found one
09:27 renren_1922 - In what pc where Im gonna install the RFID SIP-2?
09:27 renren_1922 is it on koha server or on client?
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09:31 magnuse wouldn't it be nice to be able to associate templates with report, so you could print them in an format you wanted?
09:32 magnuse s/report/reports/
09:32 magnuse s/an/any/
09:37 slef renren_1922: I don't know which RFID SIP-2 you are trying to install. Probably on client.
09:37 slef magnuse: yes
09:37 magnuse slef: yay :-)
09:53 mveron rangi: I added (manually) a column agerestriction to biblioitems then mapped it with 'Koha to MARC mapping' to field 521 a
09:53 mveron If I change 521 a or add new record with something in 521 a the values do not show up in 'select agerestriction from biblioitems'
09:53 mveron Which step do I miss?
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09:57 shahas hi
09:57 mle_ hi
09:57 shahas let me asl one error in my koha 3.6
09:58 kf mveron: I think you have to add some code
09:58 kf mveron: to make it happen
09:59 kf take a look at
09:59 kf and there is a recent patch adding a new field you could copy from
10:00 shahas am getting error while saving MARC record,,Software error: Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2245.
10:00 kf mveron: bug 7715
10:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Needs Signoff , Add biblio.subtitle and appropriate mappings to MARC frameworks
10:00 mveron kf: thanks, it's always good to have coding examles!
10:00 magnuse kf++
10:00 kf mveron: it's how I work most of the time :)
10:01 mveron kf: Steal it from the best :-)
10:03 kf and improve it :P
10:07 shahas /
10:08 shahas hh
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10:24 skk we are not able to search records and after rebuild zebra it gives an error as  zebraidx(10911) [warn] MARC: Base address does not follow directory 15:50:58-16/04 zebraidx(10911) [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 15:50:58-16/04 zebraidx(10911) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-num
10:24 skk can someone help to sort out this error
10:45 magnuse yay for being able to eat lunch outdoors!
10:45 magnuse @wunder boo
10:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on April 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
10:46 magnuse sunshine++
10:47 sturmtruppen what means "@wunder boo"
10:47 sturmtruppen ?
10:47 magnuse @wunder is a way to ask for weather reports
10:47 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Verhotur'E, Russia is 13.0°C (12:00 PM YEKT on April 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
10:47 magnuse pff
10:47 magnuse "boo" is the code for my local airport
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10:47 magnuse @wunder gtw
10:48 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Zlin - Stipa, Czech Republic is 7.3°C (12:33 PM CEST on April 16, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
10:48 drojf hello #koha
10:48 magnuse hiya drojf
10:48 sturmtruppen ah, ok. thank you
10:48 drojf hi magnuse :)
10:48 sturmtruppen ah, ok. thank you
10:48 sturmtruppen now i try...
10:48 sturmtruppen @wunder mxp
10:49 huginn sturmtruppen: The current temperature in Gallarate (VA), Italy is 12.3°C (12:44 PM CEST on April 16, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
10:49 sturmtruppen then blackberry travel!
10:49 magnuse sturmtruppen: you can also ask it for ordinary place names
10:49 magnuse @wunder wellington, nz
10:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (10:00 PM NZST on April 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Rising).
10:51 sturmtruppen wow, powerfull.
10:51 kf hi drojf
10:51 sturmtruppen it's a script of the localserver or OFTC?
10:51 drojf hi kf :)
10:51 shahas hhhhi
10:52 shahas am getting error while saving MARC record,,Software error: Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2245.
10:52 magnuse sturmtruppen: huginn is a bot that someone is running somehwere
10:52 sturmtruppen nice bot anyway.
10:53 magnuse yup :-)
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11:10 skk we are getting an error while reindexing zebra and are not able to search any records. can some one help to sort out the error. MARC: Base address does not follow directory 16/04 zebraidx(11101) [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 16:13:38-16/04 zebraidx(11101) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
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11:26 shahas \\\
11:32 skk we are getting an error while reindexing zebra and are not able to search any records. can some one help to sort out the error. MARC: Base address does not follow directory 16/04 zebraidx(11101) [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 16:13:38-16/04 zebraidx(11101) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
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11:32 kf skk: sounds like you have one record with missing data
11:33 skk hw to find out this
11:33 kf did you change frameworks and maybe deleted one of the 9xx fields by accident?
11:33 kf they are necessary for koha to work corectly
11:33 skk no idea nw if it would have gt deleted
11:34 skk is there any way to find out that
11:34 kf I am not sure how to find the record now - you could try to find some sql to check for existence of 999 in all marc records perhaps
11:34 kayser Hello, can i get a little bit of support here? problem with the 040 c field.
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11:37 kf kayser: what is your problem?
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11:41 skk what is the sql query to check for existence of 999 in all marc records so that i can find a record which creates problem while reindexing
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11:42 kayser kf, trying to save record but i have to fill in 040 c field but i have read that it should be the same as 040 a. Do i remove the mandetory value? how imortant is it? almost only childrens book in the library
11:50 shahas \\\\am getting error while saving MARC record,,Software error: Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2245.
11:53 drojf kayser: that's not really a koha question i guess, just a matter of your local conventions. if you do not plan to share your records with others you can basically do it how you think it works best for you. i doubt koha does rely on that value. if you don't need it, you could change the marc framework to non-mandatory for that field and see if that works for you
11:55 jcamins_away kayser: you could marc 040$c not mandatory, but if you do that you won't be able to share your records. I generally recommend that people just register for an organization code, since it's free.
11:55 jcamins_away *make marc 040$c
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12:00 kayser I figuered out that the value should be the same on all books so i can edit that later in case. Only a small childrens school and the only need a working library Thanks for the support!
12:04 kf kayser: sorry. I think you could also add a default value if you have a code- so it would get filled out automatically
12:06 jcamins_away ^^ I do that.
12:09 kayser kf, found the default value opition under adcanced constrants
12:09 kf and hi jcamins_away :)
12:13 Amit_Gupta heya kf
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12:27 oleonard Hi #koha
12:28 kf h oleonard
12:28 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
12:28 kf aw :)
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12:36 druthb o/
12:42 oleonard Hi druthb
12:42 druthb :)  Hi, oleonard!
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13:18 drojf kohacon question: are there hotels in edinburgh already known to be populated by koha people?
13:29 slef drojf: I only know of one so far but I have not really been asking
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13:30 slef Ceilidh-donia
13:30 drojf slef: i have seen one but that was already booked out last week
13:31 drojf slef: thanks, i'll have a look
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13:35 shahas hii
13:36 shahas how to load record from reservoir to catalog
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13:44 slef shahas: Tools: Manage staged MARC records; or Cataloguing: Add MARC Record: Z39.50 Search, depending how the record got into reservoir
13:45 shahas it is imported to reservoir
13:46 shahas i tried z39.50 search ,,,but am getting nothing found,,,,
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13:55 vinod needed help
13:56 vinod my marc data contain only call number of one book/item whereas one record contain several items/book how can i give call number to each
13:57 vinod during importing in koha it accepts for only one item rest does not shows call number allthough i have also given call number to 082 fiels
13:58 slef vinod: so you have repeated 082 fields, one for each book?
13:59 vinod no in 952 field there is only one call number against one item and separately there are 082 fiels
14:00 slef do you have one 952 for each item?
14:00 vinod yes
14:00 slef does each 952 field have a call number in 952$o?
14:01 vinod no this is the problem
14:01 slef I think you need to put them into 952$o before you import them.
14:01 vinod how can i bring it in each item or any other way
14:01 slef Use whatever you used it edit MARC files to do it.
14:01 vinod how can i for approx 15 thousan record
14:02 slef I use xsltproc to process the marcxml. Other people use marcedit or the koha-migration.git.
14:02 vinod i have tried with marc editor but no options to do that i have tried a lot
14:02 vinod suggest me any other method
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14:10 vinod hello
14:10 wahanui hey, vinod
14:10 vinod yes please
14:11 vinod please help regarding marc conversion problem
14:12 jwagner wahanui is a bot, not a real person.  Try looking at this link, and also the "Map your bibliographic data" link in it: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#imp-migration
14:25 slef wahanui: are you real?
14:25 wahanui i haven't a clue, slef
14:25 slef wahanui: are you real?
14:25 wahanui wish i knew, slef
14:26 slef wahanui: real?
14:26 wahanui I became sentient a couple of weeks ago
14:26 slef I knew that was in there somewhere
14:26 wizzyrea lolol
14:34 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "Another set of eyeballs... please" (12 lines) at
14:34 chris_n ^^
14:34 * chris_n digs out the fudge as bait
14:34 wizzyrea what's the code generating that
14:35 chris_n could it be the quotes around the table name?
14:35 chris_n mysql> UPDATE quotes SET 'source' = 'Abraham Lincoln' WHERE id ='3';
14:35 chris_n ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ''source' = 'Abraham Lincoln' WHERE id ='3'' at line 1
14:35 chris_n mysql>
14:35 wizzyrea looks like you have extra ' s
14:35 chris_n om
14:35 sekjal ^^
14:35 jcamins Yeah, there shouldn't be any quotes around source.
14:36 pastebot "chris_n" at pasted "code for above SQL" (6 lines) at
14:36 chris_n seems DBI is doing it
14:37 chris_n hmm... I probably should not parameterize the table name
14:37 wizzyrea YES, that's what I was thinking but I don't know enough about dbi to know if that was the proper syntax
14:37 * wizzyrea goes balls out with ignorance this morning
14:38 chris_n boy do I need coffee
14:38 chris_n that's nto the table name
14:38 chris_n shessh
14:38 chris_n what day is it?
14:38 wizzyrea um. friday?
14:38 wahanui friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
14:38 chris_n monday?
14:38 wahanui i heard monday was better
14:38 wizzyrea i have spoken it, it must be true.
14:38 * chris_n goes off to find out how to keep dbi from quoting the field name
14:39 magnuse quotes around the value for id - probably a number, not a string?
14:39 wizzyrea works with the quotes on the command line tho
14:39 magnuse yeah...
14:39 wizzyrea i think it has to do with the ' around the column name
14:40 sekjal today is a MA state holiday... my office is empty save for me
14:40 wizzyrea omg. quick, get sekjal the qa queue ;)
14:40 sekjal :)  already working on it
14:40 * wizzyrea dreams of empty offices
14:41 sekjal it's going to get up to 91 F today... and that's outside, where the building heat ISN'T STILL ON!
14:41 sekjal even if it weren't a holiday, folks would still be buggin' out of here
14:43 wizzyrea oh mah lerd.
14:43 wizzyrea 91! that's pretty hot.
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14:43 wizzyrea a pretty close to perfect 66 is expected here today
14:43 magnuse especially if we are talking celcius...
14:44 wizzyrea what's that uh.. 18?
14:45 wizzyrea 19 I guess
14:45 * wizzyrea curses the NWS for not having a C view.
14:45 magnuse 91 degrees Fahrenheit = 32.7777778 degrees Celsius
14:46 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:46 magnuse according to teh googles
14:46 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.4°C (4:44 PM CEST on April 16, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
14:46 magnuse @wunder boo
14:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on April 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
14:46 magnuse um, yay!
14:46 * wizzyrea gets lost somewhere in the teens on celsius.
14:46 wizzyrea 20's-30's I have a feel for
14:46 wizzyrea near zeros I have a feel for.
14:46 magnuse but i have more sunlight than any of y'all :-)
14:47 magnuse 66 degrees Fahrenheit = 18.8888889 degrees Celsius
14:47 wizzyrea @wunder 66049
14:47 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 12.7°C (9:46 AM CDT on April 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
14:47 wizzyrea mhm, sorta kinda chilly out there. but not really.
14:47 chris_n moral of the story.... don't use placeholders for anything other than values
14:47 chris_n so says the oracle at #dbi
14:47 wizzyrea i was uh, wondering why you were doing that. :P
14:48 wizzyrea but again, didn't feel competent to point it out
14:48 jcamins Whoah... Primo has gone waaaaaay over-the-top nextgen-y.
14:48 kf ?
14:49 jcamins
14:49 jcamins Search for, well, anything.
14:49 jcamins Try to view a record.
14:49 jcamins Get confused.
14:49 chris_n wizzyrea: pleased don't hesitate next time :-)
14:49 jcamins Get angry.
14:49 jcamins Figure it out eventually.
14:49 jcamins ;)
14:50 wizzyrea man, I don't even know where to look at that page. all that text might as well be invisible.
14:50 kf hm
14:50 kf bit minimalistic result list
14:50 wizzyrea whao
14:50 kf omg
14:50 wizzyrea I like their faceting tho
14:50 jcamins lol
14:50 kf what is this when I want to look at a record?
14:51 wizzyrea uh.
14:51 wizzyrea whut.
14:51 kf and broken umlauts
14:51 jcamins Was I right or was I right?
14:51 kf you were
14:51 wizzyrea why the request is the default view?!
14:51 kf totally wrong default view
14:51 wizzyrea you were totally right
14:51 wizzyrea HOWEVER. I do like what they did there.
14:51 jcamins Me too.
14:51 wizzyrea besides that.
14:51 * chris_n notes that there is a quote_identifier method in dbi which allows for properly quoting identifiers
14:52 chris_n just ftr
14:52 wizzyrea ooo
14:52 jcamins However, it's a little bit difficult to figure out at first glance.
14:52 wizzyrea well yes, though I think
14:52 wizzyrea if you put the proper default view on the click title
14:52 wizzyrea it would be a LOT better.
14:52 wizzyrea better even than what we do now.
14:53 jcamins Agreed.
14:53 wizzyrea in fact, it's got all of the same elements on that compact view that we've got on our detail
14:53 wizzyrea links, a place for twitter
14:54 kf hm not all
14:54 jcamins Except for item information.
14:54 kf it has the shelfmarks
14:54 wizzyrea right, but you could do another tab for item info
14:54 kf and no covers
14:54 kf we do a lot on details
14:54 wizzyrea mine has covers
14:54 wizzyrea search for science
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14:54 jcamins kf: the covers are in the results directly.
14:54 chris_n cool
14:54 jcamins search for something
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14:54 wizzyrea right
14:54 jcamins search
14:54 kf jcamins: oh, not in my search :)
14:54 * kf searched for bodensee
14:54 jcamins search for
14:54 jcamins search something
14:54 wizzyrea science worked well
14:55 chris_n jeditable is working in conjunction w/datatables in koha now
14:55 kf I think the I want this needs work
14:55 jcamins Apparently wahanui only dies with "search for X"
14:55 jcamins search for X
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14:55 wizzyrea lol.
14:55 wizzyrea poor guy.
14:55 jcamins change to x and search for y
14:55 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
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14:55 * chris_n hands wahanui a cookie
14:55 wizzyrea the covers view could be better
14:56 wizzyrea i agree
14:56 chris_n wahanui: botsnack cookie
14:56 wahanui thanks chris_n :)
14:56 chris_n "When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal." <--- which us president said this?
14:57 * chris_n finds working one the qod editor fun :-)
14:57 asaurat1 Nixon ? :D
14:57 wizzyrea nixon or dubya
14:57 * mle_ nominates chris_n for kohacon12 trivia nite
14:57 * wizzyrea giggles
14:57 chris_n Nixon
14:57 chris_n hehe
14:58 asaurat1 yeaah cookie
14:58 chris_n Ford followed up with "Our Long national nightmare is over."
14:58 chris_n lol
14:58 chris_n ok, back to work
14:59 kf qa team at work :)
14:59 kf marcelr++ sekjal++
14:59 chris_n wizzyrea: we are closer to your editable items table wish
14:59 wizzyrea that would be so. awesome.
15:00 oleonard Interesting analog to the Cart, "My workspace"
15:00 magnuse jeditable looks cool
15:00 jcamins sekjal: DOM indexing is ready for QA.
15:00 chris_n magnuse: it is cool... very cool
15:00 * magnuse read it as jedi-table, of course...
15:00 * wizzyrea waves at oleonard
15:00 wizzyrea magnuse: I do too!
15:00 wizzyrea use the force, librarians!
15:01 magnuse may the source be with you!
15:01 wizzyrea ROFL
15:01 kf :)
15:01 kf I was highly disappointed wwf allowed for sith but not for jedi
15:01 kf (scrabble)
15:01 * chris_n will submit his qod feature soon which will add jeditable and illustrate its use
15:02 wizzyrea ooo yea, wth. is Jedi a proper noun? and if so, why is Sith not?
15:02 chris_n talk about a marc editor improvement
15:02 wizzyrea oh boy oh boy.
15:02 jcamins chris_n: yes, that's what I want.
15:02 wizzyrea chris_n++
15:02 kf wizzyrea: I suspect wwf is on the dark side..
15:02 wizzyrea hehe yes
15:03 magnuse kf: sounds like ut
15:03 magnuse s/ut/it/
15:03 wizzyrea i'm still on about that opac. I really like it.
15:04 jcamins wizzyrea: me too. The only thing I objected to was the "I want this" tab.
15:04 jcamins However, that was a pretty major objection.
15:05 magnuse ooh[…]kholm-sweden.html
15:05 kf hm when I delete something from borrowers... will the patron attributes and messaging prefs go with it?
15:07 jcamins It seems to me we could AJAX in a description, at least, pretty easily.
15:07 jcamins (add an XSLT thingy)
15:07 magnuse kf: something?
15:07 jcamins kf: check kohastructure, but I'm pretty sure there's an ON DELETE CASCADE.
15:13 jcamins So I guess a rendered XSLT detail view is probably about 1.5kb.
15:14 * jcamins is imagining a mouseover preview.
15:14 wizzyrea ew no
15:14 wizzyrea lol
15:15 wizzyrea too many links on a result page to have a hover preview, imo.
15:15 jcamins Hm.
15:15 wizzyrea but that might be just me
15:15 wizzyrea perhaps what you are imagining is perfect and would be happy and stuff.
15:16 jcamins Hehe.
15:16 jcamins There aren't many links on the results page...
15:17 jcamins What I want is a way to offer a preview without losing the link to the details page.
15:17 magnuse yeah, that is super important
15:17 magnuse
15:18 magnuse ^ no links to detail views
15:18 jcamins magnuse: not to mention, 100% flash?
15:18 jcamins Or something painful.
15:19 magnuse not flash, i think, but a ton of js
15:19 jcamins Yeah, that's what I don't want.
15:19 jcamins I want something tasteful.
15:19 magnuse yay!
15:20 jcamins Maybe a subtle "Preview" link at the end of the results.
15:20 jcamins I guess it depends how much control there is over mouseover delays.
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15:26 slef wahanui: what happened to you, falling offline?
15:26 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, slef
15:26 slef wahanui: oh well never mind. Have a botsnack.
15:26 wahanui :)
15:26 slef :)?
15:26 wahanui hmmm... :) is ok
15:30 sekjal jcamins:  while DOM indexing does seem to be pretty low-impact on the existing codebase, it's not my current priority.  I'm aiming for getting as many bugs and regressions resolved as possible before 3.8
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15:53 sekjal lunch time!
15:53 talljoy nom nom
15:59 wizzyrea do we log things like "purchase suggestion deletion" in the actionlogs?
15:59 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't think so.
15:59 wizzyrea bother.
16:02 wizzyrea is there a new-ish cron to delete rejected suggestions?
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16:09 wizzyrea nm, purge suggestions, I found it :)
16:12 * oleonard condemns wizzyrea's Stalin-like rule of innocent rejected suggestions
16:12 wizzyrea hey, actually I'm trying to *prevent* the genocide of poor innocent rejected suggestions.
16:13 talljoy NO soup for you.
16:13 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, sure, that's what they all say.
16:13 * wizzyrea is trying to *save* them! We've lost too many already!
16:14 * oleonard honors wizzyrea as the Oscar Schindler of rejected suggestions
16:14 talljoy out of curiosity, why do you want to keep rejected suggestions?
16:14 talljoy wasn't one rejection enough for the poor things?
16:16 wizzyrea the answer to the first question is that I have a situation where I can't tell when a suggestion was processed by a library, no one there has any recollection of rejecting the suggestion, but it apparently got purged by the cronjob on the same day it was rejected.
16:16 wizzyrea i'm honestly not sure what the problem is i'm trying to solve here.
16:16 wizzyrea more sleuthing.
16:17 * talljoy is confused....thought wizzyrea was a mindreader...
16:18 oleonard wizzyrea is a mentalist
16:19 talljoy lol
16:28 wizzyrea oh my
16:29 * kf thinks wizzyrea needs cookies
16:29 wizzyrea hehe, I love coincidences of timing.
16:29 jcamins Speaking of cookies, did I tell everyone my experience baking brownies the other day?
16:29 wizzyrea so I think what happened was that an old suggestion was rejected, then 2 days later was purged. thusly, we can't find it and there's no record of what happened.
16:30 jcamins I learned that substituting agave syrup for granulated sugar makes the brownies *drier*.
16:30 jcamins wizzyrea: is it important enough to go back to an old backup?
16:31 wizzyrea nope. I think knowing *how* it disappeared is going to be good enough.
16:40 talljoy jcamins- really?  i wouldn't have thought so.
16:40 jcamins talljoy: yeah, I was shocked.
16:41 wizzyrea hm
16:41 talljoy something about the chemistry, I reckon.
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16:41 jcamins Yeah.
16:41 * wizzyrea wonders about the hydroscopic variance of agave syrup vs cane sugar
16:41 talljoy i guess you could compensate with some fruit puree like, prune or applesauce.
16:41 wizzyrea or chiles.
16:41 talljoy prunes hide well in chocolate.
16:41 talljoy ooh...chiles.
16:42 talljoy nom nom
16:42 wizzyrea brownies + chiles = omgzors.
16:42 jcamins brownies + chiles = Shari never forgiving me :P
16:42 wizzyrea it's not spicy :)
16:42 talljoy wizzyrea: i had the same thought. about sugar.  It is known to draw moisture to it. so i suppose it would do the same in brownies.
16:42 talljoy chocolate and chiles = heaven
16:43 wizzyrea i would guess that the syrup, being liquid, wouldn't have much moisture to draw to it.
16:43 wizzyrea or wouldn't be able to draw much more.
16:43 * wizzyrea is the daughter of a chemist
16:43 talljoy right and the chemical structure is prolly different.
16:43 * talljoy is too
16:43 wizzyrea o/* HIGHFIVE *\o
16:43 talljoy LOL
16:44 jcamins lol
16:45 * jcamins is not.
16:45 jcamins Neither a daughter nor offspring of a chemist. :P
16:45 * magnus_afk neither
16:45 magnus_afk o/* HIGHFIVE *\o
16:45 jcamins LOL
16:45 * kf neither
16:45 jcamins :)
16:45 kf toolate now?
16:45 magnus_afk o/* HIGHFIVE *\o
16:46 kf :)
16:47 jcamins The dryness may also have had something to do with the oven. I will determine this when I have sugar again.
16:47 jcamins Or the fact that I used 100% whole wheat flour.
16:48 wizzyrea hm yea lots going on there.
16:48 jcamins I'm pretty sure it's not that last, though, because I think I did that last time, too.
16:49 kf in brownies? very sneaky.
16:49 jcamins :)
16:49 jcamins Chapati_flour++
16:51 gaetan_B bye!
16:52 jcamins Maybe I should stop by Costco on the way home and buy some flour.
16:52 jcamins Sugar, rather.
16:52 jcamins Though the situation wrt flour is pretty dire, too.
16:52 jcamins Also, chocolate chips. And walnuts. And yeast.
16:53 * jcamins runs around waving his arms in the air because surely the end of the world is nigh!
17:02 jcamins Blacklight has built-in browsing.
17:05 jcamins (that seems to work)
17:05 oleonard Today's conversations are really random and confusing.
17:06 jcamins oleonard: how is this different from any other Monday?
17:06 jcamins oleonard: for that matter, how is this different from any conversation in which I am involved?
17:06 oleonard Mondays are usually less random I think
17:06 * oleonard is in Drupal mode today, so less attentive
17:07 magnus_afk oleonard: wanna upgrade an installation for me? ;-)
17:07 oleonard Does *anyone* want to upgrade Drupal, ever? :P
17:07 oleonard My problem at the moment is planning a D6->D7 upgrade
17:08 magnus_afk ouch, i try not to think about that
17:09 oleonard My incentive is getting to switch to Omega+Delta+Context to get a responsive theme
17:09 oleonard My disincentive is the long list of things that don't get upgraded properly
17:11 magnus_afk gah
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17:22 magnus_afk normarc, how do I hate thee? let me count the ways...
17:28 kf lol
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17:41 * magnus_afk takes the dogs for a walk
17:49 oleonard man, my history of Drupal tweets is one long bitch session
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18:03 chris_n oleonard: if I do "var row = tbody.insertRow(lastRow);" how do I reference row and its elements? ie. $(row td).foo
18:03 chris_n ?
18:03 chris_n only that example does not work
18:04 chris_n hi cait
18:04 cait hi chris_n
18:04 oleonard chris_n: I don't know the answer to that
18:04 * chris_n is probably trying to do the impossible
18:05 oleonard Seems like it should be possible
18:07 jcamins chris_n: row.find(something)?
18:07 jcamins
18:07 jcamins row.child?
18:07 chris_n yes
18:07 jcamins Something like that.
18:07 chris_n I just discovered that
18:07 chris_n what about
18:07 chris_n referencing elements of row
18:07 chris_n like
18:08 chris_n $(#div tbody td)
18:08 chris_n only
18:08 chris_n row td
18:08 chris_n or some such
18:08 chris_n where row is a ref var
18:09 jcamins chris_n: that's what I think you use or row.child for.
18:09 jcamins .children()
18:10 jcamins row.children('td')
18:10 jcamins Maybe.
18:10 * chris_n takes a deep breath and heads back to the deep end :-)
18:11 chris_n your latter syntax is what I suspect
18:15 chris_n interesting.. I would have expected this to have matched all td children who's id is not no_edit: row.children('td[id!="no_edit"]'
18:15 chris_n )
18:25 jcamins I would like to have a configurable browser, so that I could have a "results browser," and also a tab for a "call number browser."
18:28 jcamins I think this would be nice.
18:28 jcamins If I could easily switch it to be a title browser, that'd be cool, too.
18:28 chris_n I knew I was going at it the hard way
18:29 jcamins chris_n: did you find the easy way?
18:29 chris_n essentially thusly
18:29 chris_n $('#quotes_editor tbody tr:last td').foo
18:30 chris_n whew... I hate wasting an hour on syntax :P
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18:32 jcamins chris_n: we hate you doing that, too... you could've spent that hour redoing the cataloging interface. :P
18:32 chris_n lol
18:32 oleonard Quotes editor?
18:33 chris_n yup
18:34 oleonard What is it?
18:34 wahanui or automatically added
18:34 chris_n editing and deleting works; I'm now working up adding
18:34 chris_n for a feature I half added locally several years ago called quote-of-the-day
18:34 chris_n when enabled, it shows a random quote on the opac home page
18:35 chris_n which quote changes daily
18:35 chris_n I have to port it forward for our upgrade to 3.8, so I thought I'd finish it up and submit it for 3.10 at the same time
18:37 sekjal jcamins:  I'm thinking of throwing some time at the browser sometime soonish.  I'd work on making it input list independent, so the code could be recycled in all kinds of ways
18:39 jcamins That'd be very nice.
18:39 jcamins What language is Evergreen written in?
18:39 oleonard Uruk-hai
18:39 jcamins lol
18:39 cait lol
18:39 sekjal jcamins:  perl, I believe
18:40 cait that's what I think too
18:40 sekjal we share SIP code
18:40 cait sekjal: thx for qa
18:40 cait sekjal++
18:42 jcamins Does Evergreen exclusively use solr as its search engine?
18:42 gmcharlt jcamins: Evergreen doesn't use Solr at all
18:42 jcamins gmcharlt: hooray! You're here!
18:42 gmcharlt it's search is based on Postgres' tsearch2 module
18:42 jcamins gmcharlt: but you use QueryParser?
18:43 jcamins Where you=Evergreen
18:43 gmcharlt well, _a_ QueryParser module, but one that was written bespoke, not taken from CPAN
18:44 * gmcharlt personally uses Human Language Processing v1.0 ;)
18:45 jcamins gmcharlt: ah. Has said QueryParser been released onto CPAN?
18:45 jcamins Or is it integrally tied to Evergreen?
18:46 * jcamins still maintains that the appropriate course of action for search engine independence is to have some sort of query parser.
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18:49 gmcharlt jcamins: it would require a bit of surgery, but the query parser itself could be ripped out and made standalone
18:50 jcamins Hm. And I presume the parser uses some sort of data structure that makes queries non-ambiguous?
18:51 gmcharlt it produces a parse tree
18:54 jcamins gmcharlt: sorry, I know that was a bit of a basic question, but having looked at C4::Search, I now appreciate the awesome power of quote 123.
18:54 jcamins ;)
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19:01 libsysguy1 so i upgraded to master this morning and just noticed there was an error in basket.js
19:01 libsysguy1 does anybody else see it?
19:01 oleonard On the results page libsysguy1?
19:01 libsysguy1 yes
19:01 jcamins Wasn't there a bug about that over the weekend?
19:01 oleonard A patch for that just passed qa
19:02 oleonard (thanks sekjal)
19:02 * libsysguy must've missed it
19:02 sekjal gladly, oleonard
19:02 sekjal any other broken things in current master that have patches pending?
19:02 libsysguy my poor catalog[…]
19:02 libsysguy lol
19:03 jcamins libsysguy: you're running Master in production! What do you expect? :P
19:03 libsysguy i know
19:03 libsysguy thats why im not b*thc*ng
19:04 libsysguy just making sure i didn't mess it up :p
19:05 jcamins Wait... chocolate avocado muffins?
19:06 jcamins Wow.
19:06 oleonard That doesn't belong in a search result for lasers
19:06 cait libsysguy: you probably don't want to know htat... but your layout iw broken for me
19:06 cait the facets and result list are overlapping, while there is lots of white space on the right side
19:06 jcamins oleonard: No, but it does belong on my table for breakfast.
19:06 jcamins Wow. Broken for me, too.
19:06 jcamins Very broken.
19:07 oleonard Isn't that why he said "my poor catalog?"
19:07 drojf lol
19:07 * cait sends cookies to libsysguy's catalog
19:07 drojf wasn't that the point?
19:07 cait I thought he only had the bug for the cart display
19:07 jcamins oleonard: yes, I suppose it is.
19:08 jcamins I didn't actually follow the link until well after I'd stopped thinking about it.
19:08 * cait had a long day
19:08 jcamins I was focusing on avocado chocolate muffins.
19:09 cait totally understandable
19:10 libsysguy cait that is what it looks like for me too
19:11 libsysguy i completely changed the page with js
19:11 libsysguy so one js error and the whole page kind of implodes
19:11 jcamins Speaking of which, did my fix for the browser get in?
19:11 oleonard libsysguy: Bug 7962
19:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7962 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Cart missing from result lists
19:12 oleonard libsysguy: it's a simple fix
19:12 libsysguy ill apply it then deal with the rebase when it gets into master
19:12 libsysguy im amazed that it has been like this for 4 hours and I haven't gotten one call
19:13 libsysguy cait: see[…]
19:13 libsysguy thats what it is supposed to look like
19:13 jcamins Bug 7554
19:13 cait better :)
19:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7554 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Newlines break search paging
19:13 libsysguy thanks for the patch oleonard
19:13 jcamins Yes it is, excellent. :)
19:13 cait but what happens if someone has javascript deactivated? :)
19:14 chris_n avocado chocolate muffins... ?
19:14 libsysguy cait then they are going to have a bad time
19:14 chris_n it must be monday
19:14 libsysguy :p
19:14 jcamins Yeah, that's pretty bad.
19:14 jcamins Wow.
19:14 jcamins That's even worse than with broken Javascript.
19:15 libsysguy did you turn off js jcamins?
19:15 jcamins Yup.
19:15 libsysguy or do you mean my layout :p
19:15 jcamins I wanted to know what would happen.
19:15 libsysguy I don't really want to look
19:15 * libsysguy doesn't want the librarians to know either
19:15 libsysguy so jcamins :x
19:15 libsysguy :p
19:15 jcamins No, the layout's pretty nice.
19:16 libsysguy i will admit it doesn't degrade nicely
19:16 libsysguy but without changing the prog theme or copyign it there was really no way go about it
19:16 jcamins libsysguy: at least use CSS to shift the search results over too?
19:17 jcamins I need to test that on my theme.
19:17 libsysguy i think there was some fight I was having with IE trying to do that
19:17 libsysguy and I just gave up and used js
19:18 jcamins Woohoo! Only one problem!
19:18 cait bug 3413 is a nice evil  bug fixed by me
19:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3413 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , repeatable tickbox not sticking 1st time round
19:18 cait who wants to sign off? :)
19:18 jcamins Okay, two.
19:18 cait or 7929 - xhmtl validity
19:18 * jcamins touches his nose to indicate that he's working on other things.
19:18 cait bug 7929
19:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7929 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Duplicate id "availability" on XSLT result page
19:19 libsysguy cait++
19:19 cait or... oh yesbug 7922 - I know you all always wanted to improve your german :)
19:19 cait bug 7922
19:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7922 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fixing typos and improving translations in German sample data
19:24 cait sekjal: perhaps you could consider taking a look at 7933? it only changes a typo in fehlerkorrektur
19:24 cait in the sample news
19:27 wizzyrea limesurvey_community-- koha_community++ it's impossible to get an answer to a question from their IRC channel.
19:27 sekjal cait: ok
19:28 drojf cait: would i have to install it even if its just this?
19:31 sekjal cait:  bug 7933?
19:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7933 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Fields in marc display not the same
19:31 rangi Morning
19:32 cait morning :)
19:32 cait sekjal: 7922? I think adding the sql would work - into your database
19:32 cait it's only the sample news translated to german
19:34 sekjal cait: done
19:36 cait thx :)
19:44 slef bug 5395
19:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , C4::Acquisition::SearchOrder POD inconsistent with function
19:45 slef updating POD doesn't count as a string change, does it?
19:45 jcamins I wouldn't think so, no.
19:45 sekjal slef:  no, I don't think it does, since it's not translated
19:46 slef bah out of time :(
19:46 slef but good to know for next time
19:46 slef thanks both
19:46 slef ciao
19:46 slef cheerio
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20:06 shahas hii
20:06 oleonard Hi shahas
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20:14 libsysguy i don't suppose anyone is running hourly yet are they?
20:14 libsysguy aka master?
20:14 rangi not in production anywhere for me
20:14 libsysguy man, hourly fines aren't working for me
20:14 libsysguy and I wanted to make sure i wasn't crazy
20:21 cait libsysguy: there is a bug and patch i think?
20:21 cait bug 7852
20:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7852 major, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Hourly loan fines are not working
20:21 libsysguy yeah i did that one
20:22 libsysguy but apparently its not working as I thought it would
20:22 libsysguy well i take it back
20:22 libsysguy i started that one
20:22 libsysguy kyle and ian finished it :p
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20:32 Brooke o/
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20:32 Morthland Howdy
20:32 Morthland On a fresh install, I run into this error
20:33 Morthland
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20:35 gmcharlt Morthland: several possibilities
20:36 gmcharlt - the koha database hasn't been created yet
20:36 gmcharlt - it has been created but the grant privleges has been run yet
20:36 gmcharlt - grant priveleges has been run but not flush privileges
20:36 gmcharlt - the database credentials in koha-conf.xml don't match what you set when you created the database and database user
20:37 Morthland where is koha-conf.xml?
20:37 wahanui somebody said koha-conf.xml was a config file, not a port
20:37 gmcharlt Morthland: it can vary slightly - how did you install Koha?
20:37 gmcharlt from package , tarball, or Git clone?
20:37 Morthland Git
20:38 gmcharlt looks like you did so using "standard" mode, so check in /etc/koha
20:39 Morthland where do I see the credentials?
20:40 Morthland Wait,
20:40 gmcharlt look near the bottom of file, for user and password
20:40 Morthland I think I've figured it out
20:40 gmcharlt cool
20:40 Morthland Let me show you what I see
20:41 Morthland
20:42 gmcharlt weird, so it's copied over the template for koha-conf.xml, but not the version filled out with the parameters you would have chosen when you ran Makefile.PL
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20:43 Morthland right now I am in /home/morthland/koha-latest/koha-3.06.04/etc
20:43 Morthland do I need to go to the root instead?
20:43 gmcharlt ah, so you're looking at the template
20:43 gmcharlt what does /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml look like?
20:44 Morthland I see
20:44 Morthland it looks correct
20:44 gmcharlt let's try connecting to the database directly
20:44 gmcharlt e.g.,
20:45 gmcharlt mysql -u koha -pYOURPASSWORD D koha
20:45 gmcharlt make that...
20:45 gmcharlt mysql -u koha -pYOURPASSWORD -D koha
20:46 Morthland it says denied
20:47 mveron rangi: I refactured Bug 7621 using framework/biblioitems as suggested.
20:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
20:48 gmcharlt Morthland: try redoing the steps in the install instructions to create the database user
20:48 rangi mveron++
20:48 cait mveron++
20:50 Morthland My root password
20:51 Morthland is no longer working
20:54 mveron Thanks rangi and cait for the great support - and Good Night #koha
20:57 Morthland Got into it
21:06 magnus_afk heh:
21:06 wizzyrea ELL OH ELL
21:09 gmcharlt Morthland: all set?
21:09 gmcharlt magnus_afk: I wonder how this would compare with a global map for earplug sales?
21:10 magnus_afk huh? you gotta speak louder, man!
21:11 gmcharlt magnus_afk++
21:12 gmcharlt just leave a symlink so that the prev version will still work
21:12 gmcharlt *sigh*
21:13 * gmcharlt will get used to irssi yet if it kills him!
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21:14 Morthland I got it taken care of
21:15 * magnus_afk bids #koha a fond farewell
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21:31 Space_Librarian o/
21:38 wizzyrea heya :)
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21:43 Space_Librarian 'sup?
21:43 wizzyrea not a lot
21:43 * Space_Librarian hands over a 'smore
21:43 wizzyrea ooh
21:44 Space_Librarian :)
21:52 Space_Librarian riddle me this: - would that be difficult to do? Made it one or two points bigger, and in bold?
21:52 wizzyrea sure ez
21:52 wizzyrea one sec and I'll get u the css
21:53 Space_Librarian You're awesome.
21:53 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "Something like this" (7 lines) at
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21:53 wizzyrea that would give you
21:54 * wizzyrea twiddles her thumbs while this loads aha
21:54 mib_41iymn i understand that ngingx is good for running koha ...but is there any particular concerns versus running on apache?
21:54 wizzyrea
21:54 mib_41iymn i'm about to install a fresh server using the latest koha
21:55 mib_41iymn wizzyrea: i guess that link wasnt meant for me lol
21:56 wizzyrea :) nope - also I have no clue as to the pros/cons of nginx
21:56 mib_41iymn hmm
21:56 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: that link *was* however, for you
21:56 Space_Librarian wizzyrea: That's awesome. Do I put that in the opacuserjs or the css?
21:56 wizzyrea and you put that CSS in your opacusercss
21:56 Space_Librarian And it really is poifect
21:56 Space_Librarian :)
21:57 mib_41iymn i see online where someone was requesting a online tutorial from chris via irc but i dont find any links to the related irc logs if indeed it took place
21:57 wizzyrea you can search them at
21:57 wizzyrea might be worth a try
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22:01 mtj irc?
22:01 wahanui irc is at
22:01 mib_41iymn hmmm not looking too good
22:01 mib_41iymn lol
22:02 wizzyrea mtj, i haven't gotten to the things you emailed about yet - today was WICKED busy
22:02 wizzyrea but I haven't forgotten you . :)
22:02 mtj wahanui forget irc
22:02 wahanui mtj: I forgot irc
22:02 mib_41iymn wizzyrea: where you from(WICKED)?
22:02 mtj irc is
22:03 mtj irc?
22:03 wahanui somebody said irc was
22:03 mtj wizzyrea's location is always a secret
22:04 mib_41iymn lol
22:05 Space_Librarian :) wizzyrea is a secret agent
22:06 mtj wizzyrea: yep, no hurry girl
22:06 mib_41iymn just that the word wicked is my native original :)
22:06 mib_41iymn wondered
22:10 mtj wicked means 'very' in that sentence
22:10 mib_41iymn i know
22:10 jcamins_away Shari is very dubious about my proposed chocolate avocado muffins.
22:11 mib_41iymn bye yall
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22:34 Space_Librarian quick question: when is the next version of Koha released?
22:35 jcamins_away In theory, April 23.
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22:58 Space_Librarian sw33t
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23:37 mtj haay, has everyone seen this? -> http://koha.mediathequeouestpr[…]koha/
23:37 mtj
23:38 lurker mtj: you mean, able to view the site?
23:38 mtj specifically the 'carousel' plugin
23:39 mtj[…]site/carousel.htm
23:39 mtj lurker, no -  specifically the 'carousel' plugin
23:39 mtj biblibre++
23:39 lurker mtj:  yes on your second url
23:40 Space_Librarian that is a stunning opac!
23:40 Space_Librarian biblibre++
23:41 Space_Librarian And I see we've got our second Koha User's Group day in Wellington on the 18th May. Big ups to the Treasury guys for that.
23:42 mtj me would love to commit that, for koha-3.10
23:43 mtj and yeah, i just spotted that email on the list too :p
23:44 Space_Librarian I love that carousel plugin...
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23:57 Judit morning
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23:57 eythian Judit: new Koha User's Group here. You coming?
23:57 Irma G'day #Koha
23:58 Space_Librarian eythian: I agree, they should all come along

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