IRC log for #koha, 2012-04-13

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05:04 cait hi #koha
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05:13 cait hi Oak :)
05:13 Oak hello miss cait :)
05:16 cait mtj: still around?
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05:38 mtj cait: here now...
05:39 cait ah :)
05:39 cait was about the patch from marc
05:40 mtj ah, yep - thanx for updating the bug :)
05:40 cait mtj: I did another sign off - want to add yours to the patch too?
05:41 mtj yes, will do now
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05:48 mveron Good morning #koha
05:49 vinod hello all koha users
05:49 cait guten morgen mveron :)
05:50 vinod i am facing problem in import all data is imported successfully but call number does not shows
05:51 vinod but call number shows in marc format and other detail views
05:51 cait where did you store the call number?
05:51 cait and did you import items?
05:51 vinod 082 $a and $b yes everything
05:51 cait 082$b is not shown
05:52 cait you have to add the callnumbers to your items in 952
05:52 rangi Needs to be on 952$o
05:52 cait right $o :)
05:52 rangi I think someone answered your email
05:52 cait evening rangi
05:52 vinod yes it is also automatically added
05:52 wahanui okay, vinod.
05:52 cait vinod: Koha does not show call numbers in the record, only in the items
05:53 rangi You added it to 952?
05:53 cait wahanui forget yes it
05:53 wahanui cait: I forgot yes it
05:54 rangi It won't automatically add it
05:54 vinod during import i had given 082 field but it automatically takes in 952 $o also
05:54 rangi What does?
05:54 wahanui i guess does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes?
05:54 rangi Koha doesn't
05:55 mtj cait:  done :)
05:55 vinod when i tried to manually edit the item record, it was already call number was already there and after saving that shows the call number in opac also
05:55 rangi Ok my bus stop bbl
05:56 vinod please tell me what to do
05:57 cait vinod: it only does that automatically when you use the cataloguing module
05:57 cait and add new items
05:57 cait when you import data
05:57 cait you have to have the infrmation in the right fields already
05:58 cait vinod: when you edit an item, koha will check for 082 to present you with a suggestion for your callnumber, this is controlled by the itemcallnumber system preference - but it's only because you opened the item for editing.
05:58 cait thx mtj :)
05:58 cait mtj++
05:59 vinod ok than what to do so that imported items can be viewed directly
05:59 mtj cait++ too
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06:02 cait vinod: put the callnumber in 952$o as rangi suggested
06:02 cait and then import them again
06:02 cait or if you are good with sql you can also populate items.itemcallnumber and run a full reindex
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06:05 vinod1 please let me know how to add full call number in 952 $o field at the tie of bulk importing\
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06:07 francharb good morning
06:09 vinod1 after importing bulk data, opac does not shows full call number in table form but it shows in marc format
06:12 vinod1 hello anybody help please
06:14 mtj vinod1:  use marcedit, or (my favourite) a perl script
06:14 mtj heya francharb
06:14 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
06:15 mtj ok, off for a bit...
06:15 vinod1 so do i need to add call number in 952 field also
06:15 vinod1 before importing the data
06:15 mtj wahanui: dude, i know... i was sitting next to him :)
06:15 wahanui mtj: excuse me?
06:17 mtj elephanta island... was a great day!
06:17 alex_a bonjour #koha
06:17 cait hi alex_a
06:17 cait vinod1: yes
06:18 mtj vinod1:  yes, add callnumber-info to 952$o subfield... before import into Koha
06:19 vinod1 i have data in 082 $a and $b field please let me know in which format tags showl i add call number in 952
06:20 mtj vinod1: 952$o
06:20 mtj @marc 952o
06:20 huginn` mtj: unknown tag 952o
06:20 vinod1 in 952 only one field is there how can i add two fields as in 082
06:20 francharb 0/ mtj
06:21 mtj @marc 952$o
06:21 huginn` mtj: unknown tag 952$o
06:21 mtj @marc 245a
06:21 huginn` mtj: unknown tag 245a
06:21 mtj @marc 245$a
06:21 huginn` mtj: unknown tag 245$a
06:22 mtj hmm, i'm not having much luck with the MARC plugin :)
06:22 mtj @marc 245
06:22 huginn` mtj: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8]
06:23 mtj aaah, it wants a space ' '
06:23 vinod1 952$o is a full call number field so how can i use 082$a and $b in single 952$o
06:23 mtj @marc 952 o
06:23 huginn` mtj: unknown field/subfield combination (952/o)
06:23 mtj i always forget that... :/
06:24 mtj vinod1: i have never used marcedit... so i would use a perl script - for that
06:25 mtj a perl script to manipulate for bib records... before import into Koha
06:25 cait vinod1: you have to combine both fields into one 952$b
06:25 mtj s/for/your/
06:26 mtj ok, gotta scoot now....
06:26 mtj ciao #koha
06:26 cait bye mtj
06:27 vinod1 means something like 952 $o500  KNM
06:27 vinod1 082$a 500$bKNM
06:28 magnuse kia ora #koha!
06:28 vinod1 is there any way so that 952$o field should automatically pick data from 082 at the time of importing?
06:29 cait welcome back magnuse :)
06:29 magnuse thanks cait
06:31 vinod1 is there any way so that 952$o field should automatically pick data from 082 at the time of importing?
06:34 cait no
06:36 vinod1 =952  \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p1000$yBK
06:36 vinod1 =952  \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p663$yBK
06:36 vinod1 =082  \\$a621.3$bKNO
06:36 vinod1 please tell me how can i add the call number in above items
06:37 vinod1 the record is only one
06:38 vinod1 for two or more items i have only one record and the call number is common how i can i add call number to each item
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06:42 reiveune hello
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06:52 samuel hi everybody!
06:58 paul_p good morning #koha
06:58 paul_p rangi = are you about ? ( and available for a few dozen of min to speak of Release process ? )
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07:05 julian_m hello
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07:07 asaurat hi
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07:18 gaetan_B hello #koha :)
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07:29 kf good morning #koha
07:29 magnuse guten morgen kf
07:31 samuel good morning kf & magnuse
07:31 magnuse hiya samuel
07:31 paul_p hello kf & magnuse & samuel
07:32 kf hi magnuse, samuel and paul_p :)
07:32 magnuse bonjour paul_p
07:33 * kf wonders how to translate 'item floats'
07:35 samuel kf: in which language do you want to translate "item floats"?
07:36 asaurat kf: Freizugigkeitsbescheinigung
07:37 kf samuel: German - it's ok
07:37 kf I opted for describing it
07:37 kf "item stays where it was returned"
07:37 samuel yeah, sounds good
07:37 kf asaurat: Wildschwein? :)
07:38 asaurat ok, these are my two favorite words in German :D
07:38 samuel :-)
07:39 kf :D
07:41 esofiane Hi everybody
07:41 kf hi esofiane
07:42 rangi paul_p: i am now
07:42 paul_p rangi wonderful !
07:43 paul_p so, my question was to know how you did the releases
07:43 paul_p (+ you wanted to speak of something yesterday)
07:45 rangi the hard bit is writing the release notes
07:46 rangi to roll the release i did
07:49 rangi perl Makefile.PL
07:49 rangi make
07:50 rangi make manifest tardist
07:50 rangi then you end up with a tar.gz
07:51 paul_p rangi about the release notes, I agree it's a big deal. I've started already, and will submit something before the release, for proof reading and/or comments
07:51 rangi but with git you can do
07:53 rangi git archive --format=tar --prefix=koha-3.8.0/ master | gzip > koha-3.8.0.tar.gz
07:53 rangi gpg -sb koha-3.8.0.tar.gz
07:55 rangi md5sum koha-3.8.0.tar.gz > koha-3.8.0.tar.gz.MD5
07:56 rangi gpg --clearsign  koha-3.8.0.tar.gz.MD5
07:57 rangi you also want to tag it in git
07:57 rangi with git tag annotate
07:58 rangi and branch too
07:58 paul_p tagging & branching, I was aware. I discover (and carefully write) the make manifest tardist & git archive !
07:59 rangi what i did was make the tarball
07:59 rangi then install it in a vm
08:00 rangi to make sure it worked, before i brnached, tagged, and signed it etc
08:03 kf 12933 words need attention *sigh*
08:04 magnuse 34383 words need attention *2x sigh*
08:04 rangi heh
08:04 kf magnuse: ok, you win :)
08:05 magnuse or loose...
08:06 kf is that bokmal only=
08:06 magnuse but *a lot* of it is fuzzy strings that can just be ok'd :-)
08:06 kf ?
08:06 magnuse kf: yup
08:06 kf ouch
08:06 magnuse i try not to think about nynorsk at all
08:06 kf does it work?
08:06 magnuse not thinking about it?
08:09 magnuse or ok'ing?
08:19 kf not thinking about it :)
08:19 magnuse yeah, that works really well
08:20 magnuse i don't know nynorsk wel enough to do anything about it anyway...
08:23 kf :)
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09:46 slef wahanui: faq?
09:46 wahanui i think faq is found at
09:51 kf hi slef :)
09:51 slef hi all
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10:54 drojf good day #koha
10:57 drojf slef: how long is the abstract for a kohacon paper supposed to be?
10:59 slef drojf: a reasonable paragraph, probably 100 words or less I think.
10:59 drojf ok thanks
10:59 slef drojf: as long as it needs to be to get passed by a reviewer
10:59 drojf :)
10:59 slef drojf: kf, Brooke or rangi might have tips.
10:59 slef we have had one abstract that looked like it could be the entire talk so far!
10:59 drojf heh
11:00 kf ;)
11:00 drojf no idea if i will be allowed to come to kohacon, the person in charge is gone until next week. but i still have some hope
11:14 * slef drafts an announcement about sponsorship
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11:31 slef announcement emailed
11:32 slef thanks fredericd and magnuse !
11:32 kf fredericd++ magnuse++
11:33 magnuse huh? yay!
11:33 slef if anyone has time to turn that email into a post on before I do, that would be great
11:34 magnuse fredericd++
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11:58 slef "Sorry, this file type is not permitted for security reasons"
11:58 slef :-/
11:58 * slef converts it
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12:07 magnuse slef: exe ftw!
12:12 slef magnuse: it was svg. Can that even contain executable code?
12:12 magnuse no idea!
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12:12 kf probably only missing in a list of allowed formats?
12:12 magnuse that would do it
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12:21 slef no matter - converted
12:21 slef it accepted PNG
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12:23 oleonard Hi all
12:24 slef hi all?
12:24 wahanui yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please.
12:24 paul_p good morning oleonard
12:25 samuel i've the following error "Can't locate Log/Log in @INC" with sudoc loader: i think it's a problem with a missing perl module but which?
12:26 kf hi oleonard
12:26 kf samuel: not sure what the sudoc loader is?
12:26 magnuse samuel: my guess: Log::LogLite
12:27 samuel it is for french universities
12:28 kf ah, right
12:28 kf not sure then
12:29 samuel a bit long to explain.
12:30 kf it's ok, I work for bsz - we also have pica as software for our union catalog
12:30 kf I think i have an idea what it does :)
12:31 oleonard samuel: That's an error you're getting from Koha?
12:35 samuel yes and i've now another problem with the module "Log:: LogLite" when i want to make the install
12:35 samuel make test PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/lib" "-Iblib/arch" 1..6 Can't locate IO/ in @INC (@INC contains: blib/lib blib/arch /usr/share/perl/5.10 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at blib/lib/Log/Log
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12:38 oleonard I don't find any reference to "LogLite" in Koha code
12:40 samuel this is the link of the tool which would be useful for us;a=summary
12:41 * oleonard passes the conversation to paul_p
12:41 slef package found: libio-lockedfile-perl - IO::LockedFile Class - supply object methods for locking files
12:42 slef package found: liblog-loglite-perl - Perl module that facilitates lightweight logging
12:42 slef
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12:57 mveron Hi #koha
12:58 mveron After learning to create patches from KF I just commited my first enhancenment patch: Bug 7621 [ENH]- Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
12:58 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
12:59 mveron Hope I did it the right way :-)
12:59 magnuse mveron++
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13:02 samuel slef: i make  on cpan "look Log::LogLite", it 's ok but the problem begin when i do "make test"
13:06 kyleh can the $KohaDates filter handle datetimes? Could that be the problem with the suspend reserves error?
13:09 kyleh nope, changed to datetime to date, no difference.
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13:20 * mveron Has to give driving lessons to his daughter
13:20 mveron Bye #koha
13:22 kyleh tried a fresh install from master and got this: ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2821: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '- biblionumber int(11) NOT NULL, - rating_value tinyint(1) NOT NULL, - ' at line 2
13:22 slef samuel: you probably wantto install packages not use cpan
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13:23 slef kyleh: search the mysql tree for that near string, probably kohastructure.sql
13:25 magnuse kyleh:[…]g.cgi?id=5668#c87
13:25 huginn` Bug 5668: blocker, P3, ---, mtj, Passed QA , Star ratings in the opac
13:29 paul_p (i'm about to push the follow-up for 5668
13:29 paul_p )
13:31 samuel slef: that's what i do , instead of using cpan
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13:34 kyleh the issue is the ratings table in, but I'm not sure what the problem is.
13:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #712 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:35 magnuse kyleh: have a look at the comments here:[…]g.cgi?id=5668#c87
13:35 huginn` Bug 5668: enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , Star ratings in the opac
13:35 magnuse paul_p is pushing a fix for it now
13:36 paul_p kyleh push fixed 2mn ago
13:36 kyleh paul_p, excellent!
13:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5668' <[…]1046b66d790aefeae> / Bug 5668 Error during during insall with web installer, Step 3 <[…]9da4c1ea031635917>
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13:45 benjix 14:44benjixI need help 14:44benjixcan any one help out 14:44benjixI install koha on opensuse11.4 14:45benjixit was working but an update has changed everything
13:45 clrh hello
13:45 wahanui bonjour, clrh
13:45 benjix hi
13:46 benjix this problem displays
13:46 benjix how so i solve it?
13:46 clrh thx kf for your comment on 7956 I don't know very well the community workflow on translation (I know it's bad) I just know that before the patch I have "failed" in update and after it is ok
13:48 benjix k
13:48 benjix thnak
13:48 benjix who to restart apache2
13:48 benjix its missing from my installation
13:49 benjix how do I get it back?
13:49 oleonard Apache needs to be restarted, or it isn't installed?
13:52 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5345 [FOLLOW-UP] DataTables in Koha <[…]1215af757ca86d148>
13:53 magnuse looks like zebra/koha can index georgian script out of the box - yay!
13:54 benjix how to get it installed back is the major problem
13:55 oleonard benjix: If Apache is not installed I suggest you search for instructions on how to install Apache on opensuse. We're not experts on that.
13:57 oleonard benjix: I see there is an INSTALL file for opensuse but it's a couple of years old
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14:06 * wizzyrea waves
14:08 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
14:17 wizzyrea kf: is the page better?
14:20 kf sorry, longer meeting
14:20 wizzyrea is np, I just got in
14:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #712: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/712/
14:21 jenkins_koha veron: Bug 5668 Error during during insall with web installer, Step 3
14:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , Star ratings in the opac
14:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #713 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:22 kf paul_p: remember to add marc veron to the history? :)
14:24 kf kyleh: about 7641 - the plugin should be included in the template, not in the pl file
14:28 * wizzyrea pokes for a signoff on 7953
14:28 wizzyrea bug 7953
14:28 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7953 trivial, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Needs Signoff , opacuserjs to the sco template
14:31 kyleh kf: how does one include the plugin the template?
14:33 kf it's documented on the wiki
14:34 kf check the coding guidelines
14:34 kf coding guidelines?
14:34 wahanui coding guidelines are[…]Coding_Guidelines
14:34 slef wahanui: have a poisoned botsnack
14:34 wahanui thanks slef :)
14:34 slef wahanui: paul_p?
14:34 wahanui well, paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
14:35 slef wahanui: the issue?
14:35 wahanui the issue is, like, that his barcodes don't match what he entered into the system
14:35 slef wahanui: apache?
14:35 wahanui hmmm... apache is the ram hog
14:35 paul_p slef, here
14:35 slef paul_p: I was just wondering what wahanui would say about you
14:35 kf paul_p: taking advantage of you being here - add marc veron to the history! :)
14:35 paul_p true things ;-)
14:35 paul_p kf yep
14:35 kf thx :)
14:41 magnuse nengard++ for all the help files
14:41 nengard :)
14:41 nengard still working
14:43 kyleh kf: thanks, I thought the KohaDates plugin was included in all templates already.
14:43 kf only in templates where it's used
14:43 kf I think at the moment it's still a work in progress, some modules are covered, but not sure all
14:44 kf julian_m and asaurat did a bunch during hackfest
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14:50 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
14:54 drojf hi jcamins
15:02 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7902 - Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables <[…]d4faedbc42c8af9ce> / Bug 7936: Reports Help Files for 3.8 <[…]1c16945be0ba3af8d> / Bug 7936: Patron Help Files <[…]a99852ccf8643c3f1
15:03 esofiane Bye :)
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15:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #713: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/713/
15:07 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 5345 [FOLLOW-UP] DataTables in Koha
15:07 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , DataTables in Koha
15:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #714 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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15:16 reiveune BYE
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15:47 kf wizzyrea++ thank youQ
15:47 kf thank you! even
15:47 wizzyrea yw
15:47 kf and bye all and have a nice weekend :)
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15:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #714: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/714/
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: 3.8 Help Files
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Help file for Lists
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Cataloging Help Files
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Tools Help for 3.8
15:54 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7936 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , general ticket for 3.8 help file updates
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Tags help file
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Marc Export Help File
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Authorities Help Files
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Suggestion help file
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Comments Moderation Help File
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Holds Help File for 3.8
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Circ Help Files
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Label Help Files
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Patron Card Help Files
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Catalogue Help Files
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Patron Help Files
15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Reports Help Files for 3.8
15:54 jenkins_koha * cnighswonger: Bug 7902 - Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables
15:54 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7902 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables
15:58 nengard 2 more folders of help files! almost there
16:18 slef Changes submitted for bug 7729 - there's a patch for new_bib which needs signoff, please.
16:18 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , svc API should allow modification of items
16:18 slef no string changes AFAIK
16:26 gaetan_B bye!
16:31 nengard oleonard around?
16:31 oleonard Yes
16:32 nengard you got the offline circ ff plugin to work right?
16:33 nengard would you mind giving me some tips? cause it's still not working for me and i need to document it and write the help file
16:33 oleonard What's not working?
16:34 nengard i put a barcode in the checkin and it doesn't save or go in the log - i do the same on checkout and it doesn't save or go in the log
16:35 nengard basically it doesn't do anything
16:35 jwagner nengard, see my update on Bug 7524 -- same problem, there are underlying errors
16:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7524 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Make it possible to generate a .koc file using the Firefox KOCT plugin
16:35 nengard does the server field need an http://
16:35 nengard hmmm
16:35 oleonard In mine it has it nengard
16:35 nengard k
16:35 nengard i'll try that
16:36 nengard once i get FF to retart
16:36 nengard it crashed
16:36 * wizzyrea retarts firefox all the time, the little web vixen.
16:36 nengard grrrr lost everything i had open :(
16:36 oleonard My problem is usually not getting it to restart but getting it to stop altogether when I want it to
16:37 jcamins I think I'll continue using Chrome.
16:37 jcamins (not for offline circ, just generally)
16:38 jcamins wizzyrea: how do you end up with a gazillion tabs if you're always restarting the browser?
16:38 oleonard Session restore?
16:38 wizzyrea re-tart not restart
16:38 jcamins lol
16:38 * wizzyrea made a funny that wasn't funny.
16:38 jcamins I missed that.
16:39 wizzyrea plus, I use chrome P
16:39 wizzyrea :P
16:41 slef mmmm... apple retarts
16:41 wizzyrea :)
16:41 slef wizzyrea: do you hate freedom? ;)
16:41 wizzyrea do you?
16:42 slef well I have chromium installed but I only use it for video
16:42 wizzyrea admittedly, I don't eat fries, french or otherwise.
16:42 wizzyrea oh oh
16:42 slef its user interface makes me want to kill its makers
16:42 wizzyrea that freedom.
16:42 * wizzyrea uses chromium on linux, chrome on mac
16:42 slef it's missing features and there are next to no add-ons
16:42 wizzyrea hmm
16:43 slef it's very hard to stop it leaking all your data to google and websites
16:43 jcamins wizzyrea: not even sweet potato fries?
16:43 wizzyrea well ok, sometimes those.
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16:43 oleonard Mmmm... french fries...
16:44 jcamins wizzyrea: I thought so. Who can resist sweet potato fries?
16:44 slef I think bad browsers like chrome is why we now have
16:44 jcamins No one, that's who!
16:44 * oleonard checks the clock for proximity to lunch time
16:44 wizzyrea oleonard: I think it's past lunch time in your timezone
16:44 oleonard 1PM for me
16:44 wizzyrea ah so
16:44 slef *** Time by oleonard is Friday, April 13, 2012 12:44:22 PM
16:45 slef :) love ctcp
16:45 nengard k - whole computer crashed
16:46 nengard i think it's time for lunch - then i'll try this ff plugin thing again
16:46 nengard worst case i don't write a help file for it yet
16:46 * oleonard is now getting "authentication failed" from the KOCT
16:48 * wizzyrea will try it
16:48 nengard_lunch that's more than i got
16:48 nengard_lunch i was gonna record it but then my computer crashed
16:48 nengard_lunch really going to lunch now :) hehe
16:51 * oleonard gets nothing in the KOCT log when using it in Ubuntu
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16:53 wizzyrea well I got it to work on ff on mac
16:53 wizzyrea but what's the difference between "apply directly" and "commit to koha"
16:54 wizzyrea commit to koha gives "success" and apply directly, if you haven't committed first, gives "added"
16:54 wizzyrea it would not do a renewal
16:55 wizzyrea check in seems to work ok
16:55 wizzyrea of course, you miss the "hold found" messages
16:55 wizzyrea if you check in one that's on hold for someone else
16:55 * wizzyrea double checks that
16:56 wizzyrea right. No hold found messages are processed anywhere. that's a bit of a bug I think.
16:57 wizzyrea at least you need to get a report out that says "hey you, double check this item"
16:57 jcamins wizzyrea: you mean for all check-ins?
16:57 wizzyrea for koct checkins
16:58 jcamins wizzyrea: right, I meant, all check-ins done using the KOCT plugin.
16:58 wizzyrea right
16:58 cait hi all
16:58 cait :)
16:58 wizzyrea hi cait :)
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17:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Quick (hopefully) Question: How do you create a borrowers.db file to use with the Koha Offline Circulation tool?
17:14 cait YoungPublicLibrarian: I think you need to run a script on command line for that
17:14 cait I have never tried it out so far :(
17:14 wizzyrea it's in misc/cronjobs I think
17:14 wizzyrea
17:15 YoungPublicLibrarian misc/cronjobs? I don't know what that means...:(
17:17 jcamins That's where the file is.
17:17 jcamins You'll probably need libeo to set it up for you.
17:18 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, maybe I should stop asking. Considering I haven't the slightest clue what libeo is either...
17:18 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: who is your support vendor?
17:18 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: I meant your support vendor, whoever they are.
17:19 jcamins I thought I remembered hearing that they won an award for their work with you. :)
17:19 jcamins I also thought I remembered hearing that a support vendor called "Libeo" won an award.
17:19 jcamins I combined the two to conclude that you worked with a vendor called Libeo. ;)
17:21 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah! Bywater Solutions is our vendor...
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17:21 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: whoops... got you confused with a different library, I think. You're not located in Quebec, are you?
17:22 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: ByWater can generate the offline circulation database for you.
17:22 wizzyrea remember that it's always a skosh out of date
17:22 wizzyrea ad you'll have to remember to download it *before* you go offline
17:22 jcamins Sometimes more than a skosh.
17:22 wizzyrea otherwise it's no use to you
17:22 wizzyrea or of less use.
17:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah okay. Well we haven't actually went live yet. But our old system is crashing and the director wanted to use the offline tool until our Koha system went live...
17:26 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: you'd need to talk to ByWater about that... I don't it'd work unless you made your old system entirely read-only until go-live.
17:28 YoungPublicLibrarian Hmm...from what the director said ByWater suggested using it. Our old system is Voyager...
17:28 wizzyrea and it won't process renewals or fill holds. How long are we talking about
17:28 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: well, you'll definitely need to talk to ByWater.
17:29 YoungPublicLibrarian Wizzyrea: We go live on the 23rd of April
17:29 YoungPublicLibrarian Jcamins: Okay, thanks for all the information!
17:30 wizzyrea a week would be a long time on offline circ
17:30 jcamins I wouldn't want to use offline circ as a stopgap for more than a few days, because you won't be able to handle renewals or holds, and if ByWater doesn't have a completely current dump of your Voyager database, it'll get very, very confused.
17:30 wizzyrea right, and no adding patrons, no deleting patrons
17:30 jcamins No collecting fines.
17:31 jcamins Probably no reshelving, due to the holds issue.
17:31 wizzyrea in some ways it might be better to just use a spreadsheet, and track cards/items that way
17:31 jcamins ^^
17:31 wizzyrea and track renewals in a separate file
17:31 wizzyrea and checkins
17:31 wizzyrea because then, when you go back and put the data in on your live system
17:31 YoungPublicLibrarian I thought you could use the offline circ for collecting fines?
17:31 wizzyrea all of the usual things happen.
17:32 * wizzyrea was just looking at it
17:32 wizzyrea I saw no place to collect fines.
17:32 wizzyrea at least not using the firefox addon
17:33 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, no ByWater told us never to use the firefox addon because it was broke. They have a downloadable tool that we install on the computer and use as an application...
17:33 wizzyrea do note, we have 40 libraries, and we use a spreadsheet.
17:33 YoungPublicLibrarian We have over 70 libraries...but I'm sure we could manage it...
17:34 wizzyrea i haven't used the app one lately, last time I tested it, it was broken in ways that made me not want to use it.
17:35 wizzyrea but that has been a while
17:35 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: even if that supports fine collection, the reason I had in mind that you couldn't collect fines was that until ByWater gets the final dump from your Voyager database, the fine information in Koha will be unreliable.
17:35 jcamins wizzyrea: looks like it was last updated in October 2010.
17:35 wizzyrea not to mention not updating
17:35 YoungPublicLibrarian Here is the link that ByWater provided us:[…]ulation-1-2-setup
17:35 wizzyrea sounds like a mess
17:35 wizzyrea yep, that's the version I last tested.
17:36 YoungPublicLibrarian Yeah, a mess sums up the entire situation! :/
17:36 YoungPublicLibrarian Wizzyrea and Jcamins: Thanks for all the help! At least I understand a bit more than I did before!
17:37 wizzyrea I don't mean to sound negative - I don
17:37 wizzyrea really don't
17:37 wizzyrea it's just - a week is a long time, you probably have pretty high volume
17:37 wizzyrea no renewals, no holds processed, no fines processed (or it would be very messy if it was)
17:37 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: you might try using Voyager's offline circ, then shut down the OPAC a day early, and spend that day replaying the circs so that you can give ByWater a current dump?
17:38 * jcamins hasn't tried that.
17:38 jcamins And I have no idea how long replaying offline circs takes in Voyager.
17:38 wizzyrea jcamins: I think their server is like, deaths door crashing
17:38 jcamins wizzyrea: right, so it only has to be up for one day.
17:38 YoungPublicLibrarian ^^ Exactly!
17:38 YoungPublicLibrarian We haven't been able to catalogue in almost three weeks! :(
17:39 wizzyrea yikes.
17:39 jcamins I think spreadsheets are the way to go.
17:40 jcamins A week is a *long* time, though.
17:42 YoungPublicLibrarian And very few people in at least half the libraries in our system have any decent understanding of spreadsheets...:S
17:42 wizzyrea here's what we do
17:42 wizzyrea column A: patron
17:42 wizzyrea column b: book barcode
17:42 wizzyrea returns can go in column d or e or f or wherever
17:43 wizzyrea then, when you are ready to replay them, you grab a page
17:43 wizzyrea and go at it, copy/paste style.
17:43 wizzyrea it's tedious.
17:43 wizzyrea it'll take a while
17:43 wizzyrea but it will work
17:43 wizzyrea and you won't miss things.
17:43 cait hm
17:43 cait you could also use 2 text files
17:43 cait one for returns and one for checouts
17:43 wizzyrea that has been done too
17:43 cait and scan the barcodes in there
17:44 wizzyrea we like spreadsheets because the data is segregated
17:44 cait but always be careful... whatever you use
17:44 wizzyrea yea, no crazy scanning.
17:44 wizzyrea go slowly, be aware.
17:44 wizzyrea like riding a motorcycle.
17:44 wizzyrea responsibly.
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17:45 YoungPublicLibrarian It would take me 10 minutes to explain how to set up and use just the columns to most of the people in my library alone...
17:47 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: I don't think the offline circ option would be *easier*.
17:47 wizzyrea well, you've got two options - get the data and processes right, or use the offline circ
17:47 wizzyrea and really, confusion wise
17:47 wizzyrea they're about equal.
17:47 jcamins Except some people will know how to use spreadsheets.
17:47 wizzyrea and no one will know how to use offline circ.
17:47 jcamins Right.
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17:50 talljoy_away YoungPublicLibrarian: hi!  if you plan to use the offline circ tool, you will need a borrowers.db file and that can be given to you before your official go live date.
17:51 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: here's a suggestion: you have highschoolers as pages in a bunch of your libraries, right?
17:51 jcamins They're probably there during your peak periods.
17:51 jcamins Have them at the circ desks.
17:51 talljoy_away ha! more tech savvy than their elders often!
17:52 wizzyrea at least trained in excel.
17:52 jcamins talljoy_away: most of them will be able to figure out Excel, at least.
17:52 jcamins Increasingly, using spreadsheets is a skill taught in highschool.
17:53 jcamins Maybe even elementary or middle school, though I don't know anyone who has been to either of those recently.
17:53 talljoy my 8 year old knows spreadsheets better than me.  lol
17:53 jcamins There you go.
17:53 talljoy had to create graphs for his science project.  he had to teach me.
17:53 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: make the next week "bring your child to work week."
17:53 talljoy LOL
17:56 jcamins I am not entirely joking.
18:02 YoungPublicLibrarian That's not a bad idea...except it would be bring your "grand child" to work week! And only our school libraries have high schoolers for pages...Which is only about a third of our system...
18:03 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: who do you have for pages in your public libraries?
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18:04 druthb o/
18:04 talljoy hi druthb!
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18:07 YoungPublicLibrarian We don't...there are cataloguers and circulation assistants...most of our libraries do not use pages...
18:08 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: and the circ assistants do shelving?
18:10 * druthb catches up from the logs.
18:10 druthb jcamins, wizzyrea, talljoy:  Part of the problem with using Voyager offline circ, as I understand it from George at Latah, is that it only does checkouts--not checkins.  *INSANE*
18:11 jcamins druthb: yeah, but they can't reshelve anything anyway.
18:11 talljoy right, i guess i was referring to the offline Koha circulation.
18:11 jcamins druthb: because the Koha offline circ won't catch holds anyway.
18:12 talljoy right.  and no fines
18:12 * druthb nods
18:12 YoungPublicLibrarian yes, circ assistants do shelving, circ desk, computer support, and anything else needed in the library....
18:14 druthb YoungPublicLibrarian: you're using Mibbit to chat with us in here, aren't you?  Look up there^^^  there's *at least* one box flashing, indicating private messages for you.  :)
18:16 YoungPublicLibrarian druthb: LOL! Why yes I am! But they aren't flashing, just grey tabs showed up...and I was completely oblivious to them!
18:16 druthb :)
18:16 talljoy :-D
18:17 * druthb can't hardly use Mibbit--the message boxes are a little *too* unobtrusive;  I have my Pidgin set to scream like a banshee when someone PMs me.
18:18 talljoy my pings and pings and pings all day.  whenever you say my name!  heh
18:19 oleonard Everyone be considerate to talljoy and only say talljoy's name when you really have something to say to talljoy
18:19 talljoy lol
18:19 talljoy ping ping
18:19 talljoy ping
18:19 druthb oleonard: That talljoy is pretty darn amazing, isn't she?
18:19 jcamins oleonard: stop picking on talljoy.
18:19 talljoy talljoy?
18:19 wahanui I CRUNCH DATA or kicking butt at words with friends
18:19 talljoy may need to update that to "enjoys seeing her name in lights"  lol
18:19 cait hehe
18:20 * jcamins uses irssi, the ultimate in unobtrusive messaging.
18:23 nengard i think i'm done with the help files
18:24 nengard at the very least all the links to the manual are updated
18:24 nengard we might need some new help files ? hopefully not
18:34 jcamins nengard: I bet you could write a unit test for xt/ that would check automatically that everything had a help file.
18:34 nengard maybe someone could :) not sure if I could
18:34 jcamins It would also force people to provde help files when they add new features.
18:39 nengard what field populates the biblio.copyrightdate field?
18:39 nengard the 008 or the 260?
18:42 nengard jcamins?
18:42 wahanui somebody said jcamins was an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
18:43 nengard hehe
18:43 cait 260
18:43 cait you cna only map fields
18:43 nengard thanks cait
18:43 cait not controlfields
18:43 cait you can see it in the koha-to-marc-mappings
18:43 jcamins Yes?
18:43 jcamins Oh.
18:47 nengard :)
18:53 jcamins We should put the items table on the MARC and Labelled MARC views in the staff client, now that it no longer shows up in the MARC.
19:03 oleonard OPACViewOthersSuggestions doesn't seem to be working as I imagine it should
19:04 oleonard If AnonSuggestions and OPACViewOthersSuggestions are both on shouldn't I be able to see all suggestions even if I'm not logged in?
19:04 oleonard And if AnonSuggestions is off, should I have to be logged in to view others' suggestions?
19:12 oleonard Ugh, it's a mess.
19:16 cait oleonard: agreed
19:16 cait but yeah, only works if you are logged in
19:27 JesseM Card Catalogs still have a use!   :P
19:28 rangi morning
19:28 cait morning rangi
19:29 druthb hi, rangi! :)
19:30 jcamins Morning.
19:30 wahanui morning is a state of mind.
19:31 jcamins JesseM: you could make it into a turing machine by using a wall of card catalogs for the game of life.
19:31 druthb morning is also whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:31 wahanui okay, druthb.
19:31 jcamins Morning
19:31 jcamins Morning?
19:31 wahanui i guess Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:31 jcamins Morning.
19:31 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:31 jcamins Hehe.
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19:47 rangi slef: about?
19:55 cait t
19:55 rangi g
19:55 cait was so quiet :)
19:56 rangi :)
19:57 cait dpavlin++
19:57 rangi i have that effect
19:57 cait lol
19:59 nengard @later tell paul_p i finished the help files and they're attached to bug 7936 Thanks!!
19:59 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded.
20:16 oleonard Happy weekend all
20:16 cait happy weekend oleonard
20:16 cait hah! i did it before you logged out :)
20:16 cait and meaning it too :)
20:16 oleonard :)
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21:16 slef rangi: no. why?
21:19 rangi cant remember, mustnt have been important
21:20 slef hehehe
21:21 slef new_bib?items=1 maybe?
21:21 slef or something I stuffed up on sponsorship... 2 so far today
21:22 rangi oh, kohacon, anymore things you want me to review
21:22 rangi excellent!
21:22 slef erm not sure. probably.
21:22 slef how many do you want?
21:23 rangi hmm a couple?
21:24 rangi how are we looking numbers wise for speakers now? i figure we need about 7 per day? (of conf itself)
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21:26 slef not sure. I need to count up but haven't had chance today
21:26 rangi sweet as
21:26 rangi i might send another mail to the list
21:26 rangi 7 days until call for papers close
21:27 rangi think it's a good idea?
21:27 wizzyrea more reminders are never a bad idea
21:27 wizzyrea see how it worked for jcamins and his authorities dev? ;)
21:27 wizzyrea HINT HINT NUDGE NUDGE
21:27 rangi :)
21:28 rangi ill try to sign off your new_bib thing this evening too slef
21:29 slef yes it's a good idea. I really must repost this one to LIS-KOHA too
21:29 rangi ahh yes
21:29 rangi good idea
21:31 rangi on its way
21:32 slef wizzyrea: 2 people report not getting the sponsor form autoreply today. I'm going to check the form settings, but are you able to check the webserver mail logs if needed?
21:32 slef form settings look OK
21:32 slef mailing them and grabbing times and IPs to message you
21:34 wizzyrea sure I can check
21:34 wizzyrea (but it's almost time for me to go, just fyi - gotta pick up the kiddo)
21:36 slef except I'm an idiot and deleted the form times and IPs
21:38 slef but the recipient email addresses are with you now
21:38 slef no rush. I've remailed them the info
21:39 slef they're both using outsourced anti-spam
21:39 slef I bet it traps wordpress forms
21:40 slef and that folks is why I hate outsourced anti-spam. It's too often out of control rubbish that causes trouble.
21:40 rangi yup
21:40 slef rangi: I bet you loved using gmail at a previous workplace...
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21:40 rangi well it started off zimbra
21:41 rangi but yes moved to gmail
21:41 wizzyrea ah yea it might be spam related - it's ec2 so hard to get reverse DNS for it
21:41 wizzyrea well, not SO hard.
21:42 wizzyrea I just don't recall if I *did* or not.
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21:42 slef I'll check
21:42 rangi and yeah, running your workmail through gmail .. not something id do
21:42 slef yeah, there's reverse DNS
21:42 wizzyrea oh good so it's not *that*
21:43 slef, but it's still good
21:43 * slef has been postmaster almost as long as webmaster
21:47 wizzyrea slef, must be spam catching - it's not stuck in the queue
21:47 wizzyrea and looks like it technically sent ok
21:47 slef wizzyrea: can you se... right, thanks.
21:47 slef questions answered before they're asked :)
21:47 rangi :)
21:47 wizzyrea i'm efficient like that ;)
21:47 slef wizzyrea++
21:48 slef biab
21:48 wizzyrea do lmk if you see a lot of that though
21:48 wizzyrea it would be nice to know why people think it's spam
21:52 rangi it could be just that wordpress forms were(are?) used a lot to spam through
21:52 wizzyrea could be
21:54 rangi ok, off to hang out with the hippies and peaceniks
21:55 rangi 30th anniversary of wellington becoming nuke free
21:55 rangi have good weekends all
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22:42 ibeardslee rangi: wow, didn't know that.
22:44 jcamins_away lol
22:44 jcamins_away Reminders did seem to help with 7284, didn't they?
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