IRC log for #koha, 2012-04-12

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00:02 jcamins_away eythian: around?
00:02 eythian jcamins: sorta
00:03 jcamins eythian: okay, my question will keep so I'll wait until it isn't just "sorta." ;)
00:04 eythian well, ask and I'll answer when I can
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01:48 Judit hi
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02:21 druthb o/
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03:30 Amit_Gupta heya bag
03:53 Amit_Gupta fredericd around??
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05:01 mtj oooh, this mosh tool looks interesting...
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05:02 Oak Good morning cait
05:02 mtj[…]nstant-local-echo
05:02 Oak kia ora #koha
05:02 cait hi mtj and Oak :)
05:02 cait good morning #koha
05:02 Oak :)
05:02 mtj heya peeps
05:04 * mtj has a linode box in japan, which could be a good candidate to test a mosh shell
05:05 eythian I don't have any servers new enough to run it, also it poses some firewalling concerns.
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05:08 mtj yeah, theres that bit-weirdy 60,000-61,000 udp stuff... :/
05:09 mtj still, if it fixes some typing-lag problems for me.... i'll take it! :)
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06:02 BobB hi mtj, are you about?
06:02 mtj hiya BobB
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06:10 francharb good morning
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06:37 paul_p good morning #koha
06:41 Oak Bonjour Monsieur paul_p
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06:47 reiveune hello
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06:54 marcelr hi koha
06:57 * Oak used to get correct spelling of Monsieur
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07:01 samuel hi everybody!
07:01 marcelr hi samuel
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07:05 asaurat hi
07:05 wahanui hey, asaurat
07:06 marcelr hi asaurat
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07:15 gaetan_B hello
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07:18 julian_m hello
07:20 esofiane Good morning
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07:28 rangi hello europe
07:34 marcelr hi rangi
07:36 rangi bug 7354
07:36 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7354 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Can't edit local use system preferences
07:36 rangi that was a nice fix
07:36 rangi kf++
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07:39 kf hi #koha
07:40 marcelr hi kf
07:40 kf hi marcelr :)
07:43 rangi hmm bug 7016
07:43 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7016 blocker, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , CanBookBeReserved uses GetItemsInfo unnecessarily
07:43 rangi bug 7756
07:43 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7756 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , claim mail is not sent for serial claim
08:07 esofiane Do you know how to list all dependencies of perl and "no-perl" of koha ?
08:11 rangi what is no perl?
08:11 rangi you can look in debian/control
08:12 kf hm mysql, apache, perhaps?
08:12 rangi yep it has all those too
08:13 rangi searching?
08:13 wahanui i heard searching was not working
08:13 rangi searching faq?
08:13 wahanui hmmm... searching faq is at
08:15 esofiane yes kf , mysql, apache2, etc.
08:15 rangi the answer is still debian/control :)
08:15 esofiane But in the debian/control there are all dependances ?
08:16 rangi yes
08:16 rangi
08:16 rangi Package: koha-common
08:16 wahanui rumour has it koha-common is the one you want, the main koha one needs a bit more work (its for setting up a single instance)
08:16 rangi Architecture: all
08:16 wahanui all is quiet on the open source front
08:16 rangi Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${koha:Depends},
08:16 rangi apache2,
08:16 rangi apache2-mpm-itk,
08:16 rangi etc
08:19 esofiane thx :) , but what is ${misc:Depends} and ${koha:Depends} ?
08:22 rangi[…]q.en.html#control
08:22 rangi or better
08:22 rangi[…]
08:23 rangi La dernière fonctionnalité à connaître est ${shlibs:Depends}, ${perl:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, etc.
08:23 rangi dh_shlibdeps(1) calcule les dépendances en bibliothèques partagées pour les paquets binaires. Il crée une liste d'exécutables ELF et de bibliothèques partagées trouvées pour chaque paquet binaire. Cette liste est utilisée en remplacement de ${shlibs:Depends}.
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08:23 Brooke o/
08:23 rangi etc :)
08:23 rangi hi Brooke
08:23 esofiane hehe thanks rangi
08:24 Brooke howdy
08:24 rangi also if you come to the hackfest you will meet lars who wrote
08:25 Brooke that and all the cool kids go to hackfest. >:)
08:28 rangi heh, 9 messages the same to the mailing list, and now 2 to me .. this shahas guy is not the best at mail etiquette
08:50 Amit_Gupta federicd around
08:50 Amit_Gupta ?
08:51 * Brooke preens.
08:51 Brooke 5 different countries visited me bidsite >:)
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08:57 slef bidsite?
08:58 Brooke yeah for mah KohaCon bid for 2013. :)
08:58 Brooke
08:58 Brooke when I lose, I'll give that to the Community
09:02 ibeardsl1e nice
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10:07 mtj interesting read....
10:07 mtj
10:07 rangi naw
10:08 rangi its not vs
10:08 rangi its why not do it properly and have both (and more)
10:08 rangi because everyones situation is different you can't possibly cover them all in something like that
10:09 rangi its like the koha vs evergreen silliness that some consultants like to perpetuate
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10:10 mtj interesting read... bad title :)
10:11 marcelr who wrote it and why, is always interesting too ;)
10:13 mtj amen to that statement!
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10:42 alex_a bonjour
10:45 slef current registration count: 32
10:45 rangi yay!
10:45 slef register here
10:48 slef please email out Common Text and Call for Registrations from[…]n12_Announcements to any library/software-related mailing lists you can
11:01 kf yay :)
11:05 Amit_Gupta fredericd around??
11:05 Amit_Gupta heya kf
11:06 kf hi Amit_Gupta
11:07 kf Amit_Gupta: do you have a translation question?
11:07 * rangi goes to sleep
11:07 Amit_Gupta yes
11:07 Amit_Gupta some translation question
11:09 slef bye rangi
11:09 slef rangi: what's your only excuse?
11:09 slef heh
11:09 slef what's rangi's only excuse?
11:09 wahanui rangi's only excuse is probably I was doing it under protest :)
11:09 kf Amit_Gupta: perhaps I can help?
11:09 rangi :)
11:09 slef wahanui is not very clever
11:09 rangi rangi?
11:09 kf slef: for a bot he is insanely clever
11:09 kf slef?
11:09 wahanui slef is an avid cyclist
11:09 slef any old iron?
11:09 wahanui "any old iron, any old iron, any any any old iron" was a popular 1980s advertising slogan.
11:10 rangi i might do the almonds on the airplane again
11:10 rangi it can be my thing
11:10 slef hi all?
11:10 wahanui yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please.
11:10 kf lol
11:10 slef :)?
11:10 wahanui rumour has it :) is ok
11:11 slef BTW?
11:11 slef BTW,?
11:11 wahanui BTW, is SIP2 included in master or do I have instal a third party package?
11:12 slef the data in that database?
11:12 wahanui rumour has it the data in that database is more public library-oriented
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11:28 Amit_Gupta heya jwagner
11:28 jwagner Hi Amit_Gupta
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11:53 skk i want to generate a report in koha to get "total number of books used by a particular patron" hw can this report be generated
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12:05 slef skk: just one patron?
12:07 slef skk: if just one, try the Circulation History tab, else look at the SQL reports library
12:07 slef wahanui: SQL reports library?
12:07 wahanui SQL reports library is at[…]L_Reports_Library
12:07 slef bbl
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12:10 jwagner skk, you can try this as well: select count(*) from statistics where type = 'issue' and borrowernumber = '1' (whatever your borrower# is)
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12:25 oleonard Hey
12:25 kf_mtg hi oleonard
12:25 kf_mtg :)
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12:58 * oleonard can't reproduce nengard's patron error
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13:07 Oak reproduce the patron
13:07 Oak then the error
13:07 Oak funny
13:18 nengard oleonard yeah, i'm thinking it's just that one patron but i can't figure out what could be wrong since i didn't do anything special to him recently
13:19 oleonard Hmm... Maybe you should bake him a cake if he hasn't had anything special lately :)
13:20 kf_mtg oleonard: I feel like I have read the error message before but can't remember :(
13:20 kf_mtg could it be something related to patron attributes or the like?
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13:26 nengard i do have patron attributes
13:26 nengard let me see if i add some to another patron if that blocks them up
13:36 chris_n oleonard: is it me or did this patch get dropped along the way?
13:36 chris_n http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ha-td5541624.html
13:38 kf_mtg chris_n: I remember signing off on it - it's on the bug for datatables
13:38 kf_mtg not sure those patches got pushed
13:38 chris_n looks like it got dropped somewhere
13:38 kf_mtg[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5345
13:38 huginn` Bug 5345: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , DataTables in Koha
13:38 chris_n those images are missing in master
13:38 kf_mtg I think it's stuck in qa
13:38 chris_n and the patch is not attached to the bug
13:38 kf_mtg i is
13:38 chris_n afaict
13:39 kf_mtg[…]hment.cgi?id=8830
13:39 oleonard Renamed?
13:39 kf_mtg hm I don't remember renaming it
13:39 chris_n well, the rest of the dt stuff is in
13:39 oleonard Yeah, there it is
13:39 chris_n master
13:39 kf_mtg the patches have not been obsoleted
13:39 chris_n oleonard: so the css needs fixing?
13:39 kf_mtg I am not sure they have been pushed since I signed off
13:40 kf_mtg some datatables are in, but those are more
13:40 chris_n well, the current dt css references those files
13:40 oleonard chris_n: I don't know what you refer to
13:40 chris_n [Thu Apr 12 09:34:15 2012] [error] [client] File does not exist: /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels/ko​ha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/prev-disabled.png,
13:40 oleonard Right, if the images are added the CSS should work
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13:41 chris_n so that patch at least needs to be pushed to master
13:41 * chris_n looks around for paul_p
13:41 oleonard String-free! :)
13:41 chris_n yay!
13:42 chris_n @later tell paul_p please push[…]hment.cgi?id=8830 as the current dt css in master is broken without those images
13:42 huginn` chris_n: The operation succeeded.
13:43 chris_n so is git-bz smart enough to be told to grab just that patch from the bug?
13:43 nengard @later tell paul_p i know they're full of strings, but the help files for Koha 3.8 need to be pushed (a few more still need to be written and I'm doing that) bug 7936 has them
13:43 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded.
13:43 kf_mtg no afaik :(
13:43 kf_mtg I normally do nnnnn y
13:43 chris_n ahh
13:43 kf_mtg nengard: it will mean that the help files show up in english for other languages :(
13:43 oleonard ...and if you lose your place you do nnnnnnnnnn and start over again :)
13:44 kf_mtg nengard: perhaps a separate documentation freeze would help next time?
13:46 chris_n yay! it works now
13:46 nengard kf_mtg I can't stop documenting until after the feature freeze and even then there are new things going in to Koha that I need to put in the manual - until I finish the manual I can't do the help files for Koha
13:46 kf_mtg nengard: I only argue that we need to get it done before string freze
13:46 chris_n hi jcamins
13:46 jcamins nengard: that's the idea for the documentation freeze.
13:46 chris_n welcome to thursday
13:46 nengard that said, does anyone actual translate the help files? and if so - why aren't they translating the manual as well :) it's the same text
13:46 kf_mtg so perhaps we need a documentation freeze before string freeze
13:46 kf_mtg and communication
13:46 wahanui somebody said communication was always teh problem :(
13:46 kf_mtg nengard: we have to
13:46 jcamins There's a freeze that says "no new features, everything has to be documented!"
13:46 kf_mtg nengard: they end up all in one big file
13:47 kf_mtg nengard: and you don't see what belongs where, you can't search and exclude them
13:47 chris_n wahahui: spelling is also a problem at times
13:47 jcamins Then there's a freeze a week later that says "no new strings, including documentation!"
13:47 chris_n wahanui: spelling is also a problem at times
13:47 nengard kf_mtg wait - you're translating the help files??? I want those translations put in to the manual - we only have an English manual and then partials of other languages - and the language in those help files are copied right from the manual
13:47 kf_mtg nengard: they get picked up by the translation scripts like any other page in Koha
13:47 nengard hmmm
13:47 kf_mtg that's why it's a problem to have them put in after string freeze
13:48 kf_mtg I filed a bug because I think a separate po file would be good - would make it easier
13:48 kf_mtg translators could prioritize
13:48 nengard Anyway, I'm almost done with the help files and should finish this week
13:48 kf_mtg decide to do interfaces first
13:48 kf_mtg but at the moment it's like it is
13:48 nengard and new things have made it in to Koha this week that are not necessarily documented
13:49 nengard but at least I get all the help files updated with new links and the next text that I did write
13:49 nengard like I said I'll finish by tomorrow
13:49 nengard and they have to be pushed otherwise all the help files will link to the wrong manual and of course be out of date
13:49 nengard got to go give a webinar now
13:49 nengard be back
13:51 kf_mtg oleonard++
13:53 kf_mtg @later tell nengard Only trying to figure out how we can make it work for documentation and translation - perhaps different freezes - no better idea so far.
13:53 huginn` kf_mtg: The operation succeeded.
13:54 kf_mtg jcamins++
13:55 paul_p back...
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13:55 kf_mtg wb paul_p
13:56 paul_p chris_n = attachment 8830 is related to which bug ? (I need it)
13:56 huginn` Attachment[…]=8830&action=edit patch, [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 5345 [FOLLOW-UP] DataTables in Koha, SIGNED-OFF-Bug-5345-FOLLOW-​UP-DataTables-in-Koha.patch
13:56 paul_p OK, got it : bug 5345
13:56 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , DataTables in Koha
13:56 chris_n bug 5345
13:56 chris_n ops
13:57 kf_translating I love our bots
13:57 chris_n wow
13:57 chris_n cool
13:57 kf_translating wish one of them could do translations for me
13:57 chris_n hehe
13:58 slef kf_translating: nein! Du mußt es selbst machen</Deutschglish>
13:58 paul_p kf_translating = the work done on capitalization made 2000 strings fuzzy... and 97% of the staff was translated to french already :\
13:58 jcamins Ouch!
13:58 kf_translating paul_p: I know
13:58 kf_translating oh, I know.
13:58 kf_translating and I have french in my pref files...
13:59 kf_translating because of a weird bug
13:59 kf_translating hope fredericd can fix it
14:00 paul_p chris_n I don't understand well why I should push attachment 8830 (and only this one)
14:00 paul_p phone ring...
14:00 chris_n paul_p: see the buffer for the exact error, but the current dt css calls for those images
14:00 chris_n however, they are not present in master
14:08 kf_translating slef: you could help? :) your german is good :)
14:09 slef kf_translating: I think you are wearing the jester hat still, but you know how to hire me...
14:10 * kf_translating hands over the jester hat back to slef
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14:31 chris_n for C4::Output being deprecated we sure use it a lot
14:34 kf_translating what does it do?
14:37 * oleonard guesses it outputs
14:38 kf_translating hmmm good guess :)
14:41 gmcharlt but also includes an undocumented function that supports time travel -- when the moon is blue ;)
14:41 gmcharlt or is that C4::Search?
14:41 kf_translating you could sure hide something like that in C4:Search
14:44 chris_n don't you mean C4::Convolute ?
14:44 chris_n or C4::Obfuscate ?
14:52 gmcharlt chris_n: seems redundant, somehow ;)
14:52 chris_n lol
15:10 chris_n shouldn't selecting "my library" during log in cause the patron to be logged into their "library"?
15:10 wizzyrea their home library, yea
15:10 wizzyrea does it not?
15:10 * chris_n wonders if there was a bug back in 3.2 that is showing up
15:10 chris_n no
15:11 wizzyrea i haven't ever observed this, but I never ran 3.2 so...
15:11 chris_n sorry... its "almost" 3.4
15:12 chris_n and wow does it cause problems :P
15:12 wizzyrea hm.
15:13 * chris_n contemplates an instantaneous, sudden, and even immediate upgrade
15:13 wizzyrea the first question?
15:13 wahanui the first question is "What are you trying to do?" or or what is the goal?
15:13 wizzyrea how are they getting their home library unset?
15:13 chris_n obviously I got it back wards :-)
15:13 chris_n it is not
15:13 chris_n ie
15:13 chris_n I create a patron assigned to library foo
15:14 chris_n library bar is the first branch created and foo is the second
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15:14 chris_n when the new patron logs in, leaving the default "my library" selected said patron is logged into bar rather than foo
15:15 chris_n somehow that sounds more complex than it is :-)
15:16 chris_n the problem which ensues is that said patron's books from branch foo are now checked in at branch bar and the librarians go stir-crazy
15:17 chris_n and my day suddenly becomes much less enjoyable :-)
15:18 kf_translating chris_n: why would a patron log into staff?
15:19 chris_n sorry, more missing info... this patron is a librarian for library foo
15:19 * wizzyrea assumes that "assigned to" means "has home library set to"
15:19 chris_n exactly
15:19 wizzyrea jquery?
15:19 wahanui well, jquery is client side, so it doesn't have anything to do with the templating system
15:19 wizzyrea i mean, do you have some?
15:20 wizzyrea that could mess it up?
15:20 chris_n no
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15:21 chris_n they will just have to educate foo's librarian to switch branches prior to checking in books
15:21 chris_n until I do the upgrade
15:21 wizzyrea or pick their library explicitly
15:21 * chris_n gets on his tough network admin hat
15:21 reiveune bye
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15:21 chris_n bye
15:21 wizzyrea gl
15:21 chris_n ;-)
15:21 wizzyrea oh. I thought you were saying bye to go lay down the smack.
15:22 chris_n lol
15:22 * wizzyrea gets it now
15:22 * chris_n was saying by to reiveune
15:22 * wizzyrea giggles
15:22 chris_n the real problem is that there is more of them than me
15:23 wizzyrea ok... cookies?
15:23 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
15:23 chris_n don't we wish :)
15:23 wizzyrea maybe you need to clear the cache/clear the history/clear the cookies?
15:23 wizzyrea are they possibly tabbing through and it's getting set somehow?
15:23 chris_n usually the problem is either too much time and not enough cookies or not enough time and too many cookies
15:23 wizzyrea @quote add chris_n: usually the problem is either too much time and not enough cookies or not enough time and too many cookies
15:23 huginn` wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:23 wizzyrea !
15:24 chris_n it is duplicable across all workstations
15:24 wizzyrea @quote add chris_n: usually the problem is either too much time and not enough cookies or not enough time and too many cookies
15:24 wahanui i already had it that way, wizzyrea.
15:24 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #200 added.
15:25 wizzyrea ah chris_n you got quote 200.
15:25 wizzyrea nice work.
15:25 * chris_n feels better already ;-)
15:25 chris_n well, fixing it will be a waste of time when there are bigger fruit to be had by working on my koha upgrade
15:25 wizzyrea well yea.
15:26 kf_translating paul_p++
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15:27 * chris_n thumbs his nose in the general direction of the library
15:27 wizzyrea @quote random
15:27 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #156: "druthb: I would feed wahanui a botsnack of windows 8 engineers, but they're full of fluff and not very filling. trea: like marshmallow peeps, with clip on ties." (added by wizzyrea at 02:09 PM, September 22, 2011)
15:28 * wizzyrea giggles
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15:36 gaetan_B i am looking at bug 7693
15:36 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , clear screen button misaligned
15:36 gaetan_B which seems easy enough to fix : i removed a few lines in the css and the button is back in place
15:37 oleonard gaetan_B: That bug seems to have been caused by a change in Firefox's CSS handling, but I was unable to pinpoint when it happened
15:37 gaetan_B but the comment before the lines i removed says "CSS Hack to target Firefox", when they actual seem to break things up in ff
15:37 gaetan_B aaah so it's a version thing
15:37 oleonard Yeah, which is really unusual for Firefox
15:37 oleonard I can't remember the last time something changed like that in Firefox
15:38 oleonard ...and Mozilla makes it pretty hard to locate older versions of Firefox
15:38 gaetan_B i was on my way to submitting a patch but does that mean that these lines are needed for previous versions of ff?
15:39 oleonard That's my concern
15:39 gaetan_B seemingly easy patch just became a bit more comlicated :-/
15:39 gaetan_B *complicated
15:40 oleonard Yeah, I would have patched it myself but I got frustrated and then distracted :)
15:43 gaetan_B oleonard: should i go ahead an submit a patch or do we have to figure out what happens with other versions first ? i guess we would need a way to specifically target the concerned versions ,
15:43 gaetan_B ?
15:47 oleonard I think submit the patch
15:47 oleonard[…]wsers_firefox.asp
15:47 oleonard use of older versions is declining
15:47 oleonard Better to target the larger segment
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15:48 schuster oleonard available for a question or maybe wizzyrea?
15:48 * oleonard is
15:49 * wizzyrea too
15:49 schuster On the opac with the new navigation piece for next/previous record - is that controlled by a style sheet?
15:49 oleonard the first question?
15:49 wahanui the first question is "What are you trying to do?" or or what is the goal?
15:49 schuster I'm working on a new install and it isn't displaying correctly so something isn't right.
15:49 wizzyrea define "isn't displaying correctly"
15:50 oleonard ...and clear the browser cache
15:50 schuster Remember I have some "custom" stylesheets.
15:50 wizzyrea oh, then yes, the css that controls it is probably missing.
15:51 schuster So I was trying to determine which css was controlling that to make sure it gets put in the right place.
15:52 wizzyrea schuster: are you familiar with firebug or chrome's developer tools?
15:52 schuster Yes I have firebug up and running
15:53 oleonard schuster: Do you not have the default Koha opac.css in place, upon which you are adding your customizations?
15:55 schuster OK that was what I was looking for the opac.css to look for thanks.  I'll dig into that one.
15:59 oleonard schuster: I'm confused. In order for the default css to be messed up by your custom css you would have to have overridden the default, and that seems unlikely
15:59 oleonard Not with classes like "pg_menu"
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16:22 iitrs hello dear koha users
16:23 slef hello dear iitrs
16:27 paul_p the day is over, and the passed QA list is empty. Bye bye #koha !
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16:34 schuster oleonard - I hesitate to answer your question on the grounds it may incriminate me in something stupid I may or may not have done :)
16:35 schuster with your help though I was able to fix my problem.
16:36 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7831 : Sort budgets for selection in new order <[…]d0b7cdb02ce5e9773> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7876' <[…]4cdca68dda36f4216> / Bug 7876 - Followup - Fix span tag position, add fine amount spans. <
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16:40 slef the day is a long way from over
16:41 cait hi slef
16:41 slef hi cait
16:49 edveal Anyone figure out if you can change or assign focus when checking in an item from No to Yes for transfer?
16:55 cait I think it should be possible to do that with jquery
16:57 iitrs hello koha users
16:57 iitrs i need help regarding import
16:58 iitrs while importing the records opac does not shows the call number though call number has been imported successfully and it shows in biblio record of each item
16:59 slef call number needs to be in the item record (tag 952 - specifically subfield o I think), not the biblio record
16:59 slef wahanui: @marc 952
16:59 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at[…]_fields_%289xx%29
16:59 slef bbl
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17:07 edveal Cait: I would think so... but I am not having any luck. I have tried $("#mainform .submit [value='Yes']").focus();
17:12 edveal Even tried $("select[name='dotransfer']").focus();
17:12 mib_26k96f hi all
17:13 mib_26k96f please help my imported data does not shows call number in opac but it show well in biblio of records
17:16 mib_26k96f hello any body
17:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #711: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/711/
17:21 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7756: FIX send email for late orders
17:21 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7834: order search at the top of acq does nothing
17:21 jenkins_koha * serhijdubyk: Bug 7838 - Add sort-string-utf.chr for Ukrainian and Russian
17:21 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7940 - Placing a hold on a single item from the staff cart causes errors
17:21 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 2034: Removing unused scripts
17:21 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7876 - Followup - Fix span tag position, add fine amount spans.
17:21 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 7831 : Sort budgets for selection in new order
17:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7756 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , claim mail is not sent for serial claim
17:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7834 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , order search at the top of acq does nothing
17:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7838 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add sort-string-utf.chr for Ukrainian and Russian
17:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7940 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Placing a hold on a single item from the staff cart causes errors
17:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2034 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , circ/ needs the more complex code to achieve goals for large data sets
17:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7876 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add ids to divs and spans with ids in
17:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7831 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , In neworderempty budget drop down budgets should appear in a rational order
17:26 janPasi the search stopped working :(
17:26 janPasi all of a sudden it returns nothing
17:27 janPasi nothing in zebra-error.log
17:27 janPasi nothing in zebra-output.log
17:28 janPasi [Thu Apr 12 20:27:36 2012] [error] [client] [Thu Apr 12 20:27:36 2012] Use of uninitialized value $lang in string eq at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 336.
17:28 janPasi these messages get repeated in opac-error.log
17:28 janPasi what broke it this time?
17:31 cait janPasi: is your zebrasrv running?
17:31 cait edveal: sorry, i was in the kitchen
17:31 cait edveal: not sure, I haven't used focus before
17:32 janPasi cait: seems to be
17:32 cait edveal: most of the time I try to make sure I have the right element first, by hiding it or making it red or something, then try the new element
17:32 janPasi 571 ?        S      0:00 daemon --name=gmc-koha-zebra --errlog=/var/log/koha/gmc/zebra-error.log --stdout=/va
17:32 janPasi 572 ?        S      0:02 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/gmc/koha-conf.xml
17:33 cait but it used to work?
17:33 cait what did you do before it broke?
17:34 janPasi it used to work, i got a report that it doesn't work just today
17:34 janPasi i don't know exactly what was done before it stopped working, i did ask, but i haven't gotten an answer yet
17:35 cait hm
17:35 janPasi there seems to be messages about "uninitialized value $lang" from 8.4. onwards
17:35 cait searching faq?
17:35 wahanui it has been said that searching faq is at
17:35 cait perhaps something here gives you a hint?
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17:38 mveron hi #koha
17:38 cait hi mveron :)
17:39 janPasi no help in faq
17:39 mveron I'm about to re-install koha after  a mysql crash.
17:39 janPasi i don't understand how can it just stop working
17:40 mveron Web-Installer › Step 3: ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2821: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '- biblionumber int(11) NOT NULL, - rating_value tinyint(1) NOT NULL, - ' at line 2
17:40 mveron Seems that some comments are on the same line
17:41 mveron (...) borrowernumber int(11) NOT NULL, --- the borrower this rating is for   (...)
17:41 janPasi god, this is frustrating...
17:42 cait mveron: very recently pushed
17:42 cait you are installing master?
17:42 cait mveron: and what did you do to crash mysql? I never ever managed to do that :)
17:42 mveron cait: yes, master
17:42 cait ok
17:42 cait so let's check syntax for the ratings table :)
17:42 cait it's a new feature
17:43 cait perhaps something wrong slipped in
17:43 janPasi server reboot and it works?!
17:43 janPasi wtf XD
17:43 cait janPasi: not sure why, I still suspect zebrasrv
17:43 mveron and: I tested a patch that went in an endless loop blowing up the log files (It was not my patch...). Then InnoDB was stuck.
17:43 janPasi it's like running windows...
17:44 wizzyrea zebra is a problem.
17:45 cait mveron: hmm
17:45 cait can't spot it
17:45 cait[…]d0b7cdb02ce5e9773
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17:45 cait you did a fresh install? or updating an older database?
17:48 janPasi so what, i'll build a cronscript that restarts zebra every two weeks? :D
17:48 cait hm it should work
17:48 cait how do you reindex?
17:48 mveron cait: I had to uninstall mysql +clear the data folder to get rid of the InnoDB errors. Ten I created a new db wit same name and settings as before, then I run th web installer.
17:48 cait hm ok so fresh
17:49 janPasi with -b -a r every 10 minutes
17:49 mveron cait: But I think there is really a syntax error on line t line 2821, I will test a fix.
17:49 janPasi -r that is
17:49 cait mveron: I think that's likely
17:49 janPasi because -z doesn't seem to work properly either
17:49 cait I was about to load the tables into a database
17:49 cait janPasi: oh
17:49 cait hopefully you have a -z too?
17:49 cait -b -a -r will do a full reindex every 10 minutes
17:49 janPasi umm... no, should i?
17:49 cait -z will only update existing
17:49 cait um
17:49 janPasi yeah, it takes a while
17:49 cait not existing, changed
17:50 cait using the zebraqueue table in your database
17:50 cait to tell it which records have been touched
17:50 cait will be much faster
17:50 cait and you can set it to a shorter time
17:50 janPasi ok, i'll try that
17:50 janPasi so that's both -r and -z?
17:51 janPasi i though they couldn't be used simultaneouslu
17:51 janPasi *simultaneously
17:51 wizzyrea you don't use r and z at the same time
17:51 cait no without -r
17:51 wizzyrea you want your cron to use z
17:51 cait what she says :)
17:51 wizzyrea you want a full reindex to use r
17:51 cait thx wizzyrea :)
17:52 cait mveron: I think it's the 'it's' in the comments
17:52 janPasi yeah, but -z didn't do it's job properly
17:52 wizzyrea before the reboot or after
17:52 janPasi dome items that were added didn't appear in the search results or something like that
17:52 janPasi *some :D
17:53 janPasi so what use do i have for reindexing that doesn't really reindex
17:53 cait mveron: and the --- - when I change it's to it is and take out one - it works for me
17:53 janPasi i guess i could try -z and wait for complaints from the users ;D
17:54 cait janPasi: I think -z is what eveyone uses - so items not showing up should have a nother reason
17:54 mveron cait: YI suppose the same, I'm about to change the file and test
17:54 wizzyrea like perhaps your cron is running as the wrong user
17:54 wizzyrea or somesuch
17:54 janPasi cait: god knows :D
17:54 cait I only loaded the one table to check - perhaps you could supply a patch? I will sign off :)
17:54 janPasi cait: i've come to expect just about anything when working with library systems :D
17:55 janPasi does it really matter which user the cron runs as
17:55 janPasi as long as zebra is able to read the indexes
17:56 cait dunno
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17:58 chris_n this  is slick:[…]nd_scrolling.html
17:58 janPasi it might have also been that -z didn't properly remove the removed records from the search results
17:59 wizzyrea janPasi: occasionally that just happens
17:59 janPasi now that i think about it
17:59 wizzyrea i've never been able to pin down why
17:59 chris_n I love the rounded corners
17:59 wizzyrea server load maybe
17:59 janPasi no on this server it isn't :D
17:59 janPasi *not
17:59 wizzyrea users clicking onto something else too fast
17:59 janPasi nope, unlikely
17:59 janPasi possible, of course, but unlikely
18:00 wizzyrea never underestimate the power of an impatient librarian.
18:00 janPasi :D
18:00 janPasi amen :D
18:00 wizzyrea chris_n: that is purty
18:00 chris_n @quote add <wizzyrea> never underestimate the power of an impatient librarian
18:00 huginn` chris_n: The operation succeeded.  Quote #201 added.
18:00 wizzyrea would LOVE to see that on the items
18:00 chris_n wizzyrea: and it does away with pesky pagination buttons
18:00 wizzyrea in the intranet
18:01 wizzyrea yes, omg. yes.
18:01 janPasi well i changed the -r to -z, let's see who will be the first impatient librarian ;D
18:01 chris_n furthermore, throw jEditable in the mix and you can edit rows/fields right in the table
18:01 * wizzyrea faints
18:01 chris_n if need be
18:01 * chris_n cranks up the coffee pot
18:02 chris_n I'd much rather be revived with coffee than cold water ;-)
18:02 wizzyrea omg, a new edit items screen with this + editable
18:02 janPasi then at least i'll be able to give an exact description on what exactly is wrong with -z
18:02 janPasi but i'm pretty sure it was to do with deleted records
18:02 chris_n wizzyrea: the possibilities are endless
18:02 wizzyrea you could look in the zebraqueue table for done = 0, janpasi
18:03 janPasi i think i'll just setup -r to run nightly and tell the users that deleted records will dissappear by the morning ;D
18:03 janPasi nobodys life really depends on this
18:04 wizzyrea or you could find the biblionumber and see if it even made it into the zebraqueue
18:04 wizzyrea for reindexing
18:04 wizzyrea and if it's done = 0 that means it wasn't touched
18:04 wizzyrea if it's not existent, you probably have a bug
18:04 wizzyrea if it's done = 1 and it's not indexed right, then you might also have a bug.
18:05 janPasi ok...
18:05 janPasi i'll look into that next week
18:06 janPasi right now i'll just make myself some tea ang get some sleep
18:07 janPasi i have fever
18:07 cait get better soon
18:07 janPasi cait: thanks :)
18:07 wizzyrea oh yes, do not try and troubleshoot zebra whilst feverish
18:07 wizzyrea feel better soon.
18:07 wizzyrea :)
18:07 janPasi wizzyrea: that sounds like a majorly bad idea to begin with :D
18:08 wizzyrea it makes the crazy parts of zebra just *that much more crazy*
18:08 janPasi could be quite a trippy experience :D
18:08 wizzyrea hehe that's what I was thinking.
18:08 janPasi maybe that should be tried with non-production system, though :D
18:09 janPasi anyway, thanks and see you :)
18:09 wizzyrea "I tried to troubleshoot zebra whilst feverish and all I got were MARC fields attacking me in my fever-dreams"
18:10 wizzyrea gl, later
18:10 cait that sounds nightmarish
18:10 wizzyrea i kno rite
18:14 mveron cait: I moved the comments to a new line.
18:14 mveron cait: Then the script complained over an existing table pending_offline_operations
18:14 mveron cait: I inserted "DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `pending_offline_operations`;" then the script worked
18:14 cait try -- instead of --- (2 instead of 3)
18:14 cait I think you can keep them on the same line then
18:17 * chris_n thought MARC and nightmare were synonyms....
18:18 * mveron My first nam is Marc...
18:18 cait lol
18:18 cait mveron: but you are not all capitals :)
18:19 mveron :-)
18:19 * mveron Happy enough that my first name is no Mysql...
18:20 janPasi mveron: i'm always afraid to ask what that 21 would stand for... >;D
18:20 janPasi My is the name of the mysql dev's daughter, though :D
18:21 janPasi *always = almost
18:21 mveron janPasi: Age? Hmm... I'm 57...
18:21 janPasi yeah... that's not really what i had in mind, but fair enough :D
18:35 mveron cait: Shoud the install script thing go to a bug report or is it "im Griff"?
18:35 cait mveron: I think we need a bug
18:35 cait or you could attach it as a follow up to the star ratings feature
18:36 cait bug 5668
18:36 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , Star ratings in the opac
18:36 oleonard Oh interesting... nengard's patron error was mentioned in Bug 7641
18:36 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability to suspend reserves.
18:36 cait aha!
18:36 oleonard Isn't this it nengard?[…]g.cgi?id=7641#c17
18:36 huginn` Bug 7641: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability to suspend reserves.
18:36 cait I knew I had seen it somewhere!
18:36 cait not_going_crazy++
18:37 wizzyrea oooo
18:38 wizzyrea i bet it is dates - how does it show suspended reserves on
18:38 wizzyrea or in the holds tab
18:38 oleonard On the other hand, after placing a hold for someone and suspending it I /can/ still access their account
18:38 wizzyrea moremember or circ/
18:38 cait some missing condition
18:38 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm confused, because it doesn't look like it ever tells you when the suspension expires after you do it
18:39 wizzyrea could she be missing a dependency?
18:39 wizzyrea date-format-parse or whatever it
18:39 wizzyrea is
18:39 wizzyrea you'd think it'd break more spectacularly than that if she were missing that
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18:44 wizzyrea AHA
18:44 wizzyrea suspend all
18:45 wizzyrea if you do suspend all holds, it does it
18:45 cait wizzyrea++
18:46 wizzyrea possibly, if you suspend the hold from the patron screen?
18:46 wizzyrea I haven't checked that.
18:48 wizzyrea did we lose "clone rules to another library"
18:49 wizzyrea oh, never mind. it only appears once you have a rule to clone.
18:50 nengard WOO HOO
18:51 nengard you all rock!!
18:54 kyleh I can produce that error now, I'll look into it.
18:54 wizzyrea :) yay!
18:54 wizzyrea thanks :)
18:55 cait mveron: still around?
18:55 mveron cait: yes, just filed the bug
18:55 cait ah :)
18:55 cait was wondering - I could help you to make a patch for it if you want
18:55 kyleh if I remove the $KohaDates filter, the error goes away.
18:55 cait you already fixed it :)
18:57 wizzyrea stupid allowonshelfholds /me mutters a lot about not having it set to allow
18:57 wizzyrea no wonder nothing could be placed on hold >.<
18:58 * wizzyrea mutters more
18:58 oleonard ^ me, two days ago
18:58 wizzyrea did we change the default?
18:58 oleonard I assumed I just hadn't worked with a fresh installation in so long I forgot the default
18:59 wizzyrea I do blow up my test db fairly often. That muts be it
18:59 wizzyrea that and my feeling that independant branches (aside, that drives me NUTS that it's the french spelling) keeps mysteriously popping on.
18:59 wizzyrea but that I'm pretyt sure is my own madness.
19:00 wizzyrea ohthankgod. jeez.
19:00 cait hm?
19:00 oleonard My madness is having to say it "independANT!" in my head
19:00 cait with an ant in it?
19:00 cait eek
19:00 wizzyrea half of the stuff in the catalog I couldn't put on hold because of allowonshelfholds
19:00 wizzyrea (my test catalog)
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19:02 cait wizzyrea: welcome to my world :)
19:03 cait wizzyrea: libraries here are almost never allowing on shelf holds
19:03 wizzyrea oyyy
19:03 wizzyrea you make people actually come in to get it off the shelf eh?
19:03 wizzyrea or call to make a librarian do it
19:04 cait wizzyrea: exactly
19:04 cait wizzyrea: not paying for holds here
19:04 cait in academic libraries
19:04 cait they would just start putting everything on the shelf, if someone would fetch it for them
19:05 wizzyrea interesting.
19:05 rangi I'm failing to see the problem
19:05 wizzyrea it's a customer service thing here
19:05 wizzyrea no problem
19:06 cait rangi: not enough staff
19:06 wizzyrea just different :)
19:06 cait yep :)
19:06 cait different :)
19:06 rangi Yep and ull keep having less staff
19:06 rangi That's my theory
19:07 cait there is not tradition for that here - it's not that they stopped doing it
19:07 rangi Libraries exist to serve users
19:07 wizzyrea ^^ it's a service, you either choose to provide or you don't
19:07 wizzyrea I think it's a good service
19:07 cait are you going to argue with me? not a good way to start your day? :)
19:07 rangi *nod*
19:07 wizzyrea to pull a book and have it waiting for a person
19:07 wizzyrea and if they do it if the person *calls*
19:07 cait wizzyrea: they do for checked out materials of course
19:07 wizzyrea why not do it for people who use the website?
19:07 wizzyrea of course :)
19:07 rangi Not arguing just saying if libs want to exist
19:08 wizzyrea they have to serve the users.
19:08 cait they have to serve the users - I get it :)
19:08 wizzyrea hehe
19:08 cait jinkx
19:08 cait jinx
19:08 cait and now I forgot how to undo it again...
19:08 * wizzyrea looks around
19:08 * wizzyrea *mutely
19:08 rangi Hire a student to pull reserves :)
19:15 cait rangi: help me?
19:15 cait I have to unmute liz
19:15 * wizzyrea snickers
19:16 rangi Tickle her
19:16 wizzyrea !
19:16 * wizzyrea runs
19:17 * cait hunts wizzyrea
19:18 cait I am helping! stop running away!
19:18 * wizzyrea writes on a piece of paper "pinch, poke, owe me a coke?"
19:18 * wizzyrea gives cait a virtual coke
19:19 cait pinch, poke, owe me a coke!
19:19 cait (that right?)
19:19 wizzyrea something like that :)
19:19 cait yay
19:19 cait unmuted liz :)
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19:24 * cait adds a tickle
19:24 * wizzyrea giggles
19:24 cait :)
19:28 wizzyrea huh, interesting.
19:37 rangi Brrrr
19:38 chris_n look interesting
19:38 wizzyrea @wunder 66049
19:38 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Near Free State High, Lawrence, Kansas is 11.0°C (2:37 PM CDT on April 12, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
19:38 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:38 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on April 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
19:38 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:38 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.1°C (9:35 PM CEST on April 12, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
19:40 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:40 huginn` chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 18.3°C (3:35 PM EDT on April 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
19:40 * chris_n wins ;-)
19:46 rangi Full bus today
19:48 bag @wunder 93109
19:48 huginn` bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 16.9°C (12:46 PM PDT on April 12, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
19:48 wizzyrea it's chilly here today, more april-like
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19:54 rangi Hmm I like the diff favicon for staff client
19:54 cait yep
19:54 cait think it#s a good idea
19:55 wizzyrea can't you set one already?
19:55 cait I think you can change it
19:55 cait for opac
19:55 cait with system preference... not sure
19:55 cait have not used it so far
19:55 wizzyrea oh right. Yea, that's what I did on NExpress
19:55 wizzyrea the catalog uses a special one
19:55 pastebot "mveron" at pasted "For cait regarding git diff" (26 lines) at
19:55 jcamins You can change both, I think.
19:55 wizzyrea I thought you could change both too
19:56 jcamins I'm pretty sure.
19:57 rangi Yep
19:57 rangi But sane defaults is good
19:57 jcamins True.
19:58 * jcamins thinks that an early feature in 3.10 should be the addition of a "Search sysprefs" tab on the main screen.
19:59 rangi I want a list of what changed in the last update
19:59 rangi Just the sysptefs
19:59 rangi So I can go look
20:00 jcamins That'd be super-nice.
20:00 rangi Ie link the release notes into about and make them clickable
20:00 wizzyrea oooo
20:01 rangi My stop
20:01 jcamins That'd be really nice!
20:01 * wizzyrea wonders if you can have a permalink in wordpress that youc an attach to a specific post at a certain time, without recycling the post
20:12 * oleonard is making good progress on a patch for Bug 7500 for the OPAC
20:12 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use CSS Sprites for faster page loading
20:13 schuster ok I'm back to the self checkout link again.  I can't get it to show on my new Koha instance as described in the documentation with the intranetuserjs
20:14 oleonard Bye #koha
20:14 schuster 11 - self checkout documentation has the JS there and I have used that with my 3.2 system, but with the 3.7 it doesn't want to show up.
20:15 cait what does the js look like?
20:16 schuster http://manual.koha-community.o[…]selfcheckout.html  top of this documentation page
20:17 wizzyrea schuster: what else do you have in your intranetuserjs
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20:17 rangi back
20:17 wizzyrea wb :)
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20:20 schuster nothing...  that's it.
20:23 wizzyrea schuster: there's a typo
20:23 wizzyrea $(document).ready(function(){
20:23 wizzyrea $("#login .submit").parent().after("<p><a href=\"http://YOUR_KOHA_OPAC_URL/cgi-bin/koha/sco/\" target=\"_blank\">Self-Checkout</a></p>");
20:23 wizzyrea });
20:23 wizzyrea is what you need
20:23 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "for schuster" (5 lines) at
20:23 wizzyrea with your URL of course.
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20:25 cait wizzyrea++ :)
20:25 schuster Thank you oh wizzyrea wizzardess of jq!
20:25 wizzyrea yw
20:25 schuster it's those little things...
20:25 schuster Can you change the documentation for that?
20:26 wizzyrea not sure if it changed or if it was wrong all along.
20:26 wizzyrea well the docs you're looking at are for 3.2
20:27 wizzyrea but it's wrong in 3.6 too so
20:27 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.o[…]selfcheckout.html
20:28 wizzyrea in theory you can submit patches for the documentation. working with the docbook is no fun task though.
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20:30 schuster I only stumbled on it as my "conversion" didn't like what I had and the link wasn't showing up...  So I was checking documentation!
20:31 wizzyrea seems a good plan :)
20:31 wizzyrea maybe we should add that one to the jquery library
20:31 wizzyrea jquery library/
20:31 wizzyrea jquery library?
20:31 wahanui i guess jquery library is found at[…]ki/JQuery_Library
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20:35 chris_n here's a couple of screenshots of the QOD feature I'm porting to master
20:35 chris_n
20:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5668] Star ratings in the opac <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5668>
20:35 jcamins bywater++
20:36 wizzyrea hehe!
20:36 wizzyrea nice!
20:36 jcamins So how many library schools are using Koha for instruction now? Four?
20:37 SJeffery Which ones are those?
20:38 chris_n wizzyrea: that table is done w/datatables and will have jeditable added to allow adding/editing quotes directly in the table
20:38 jcamins SJeffery: Rutgers (per the press release from ByWater), Palmer, Mizzou, and another one which I can't quite remember the name of which I think is located somewhere on the West Coast.
20:38 cait some in germany too :)
20:38 jcamins Oooh. :)
20:38 cait 2 I know of
20:39 wizzyrea oh boy, that's cool chris_n
20:39 SJeffery I will prod my local library school a bit on the subject. I keep wanting to teach a class or session there.
20:39 schuster University of North Texas is as well -
20:39 cait and I think 1 in norway
20:40 jcamins cait: yeah, at least one in Norway.
20:40 gmcharlt ticket 18827 - that sounds like an issue you've been discussing with development
20:40 edveal Anyone know much about SIP?
20:40 gmcharlt oops, wrong channel
20:40 jcamins gmcharlt: I always knew you were ahead of your time!
20:40 wizzyrea edveal - go ahead and ask
20:41 chris_n at least it wasn't supersecretpassword ;)
20:41 SJeffery chris_n: Now you have given away my root password!
20:42 gmcharlt heh
20:42 chris_n that and hitting 'reply-to-all' by accident are real nightmares
20:42 gmcharlt I bring you all word from Koha 2020!
20:43 edveal If a patron is restricted from checking out  at $X.XX  will Koha send the restriction via SIP to the self check?
20:43 wizzyrea I believe so yes
20:43 edveal I think so too.
20:43 wizzyrea is this for envisionware?
20:43 wizzyrea pcres
20:43 wizzyrea or whatever they refer to it as
20:43 edveal Yes, and that is the issue.
20:44 wizzyrea right
20:44 wizzyrea you have to set up a special rule
20:44 wizzyrea one sec... I have it
20:44 wizzyrea ...somewhere
20:44 edveal It is just looking for if they are a user or not.
20:44 wizzyrea you have to tell envisionware to filter based on that criteria
20:44 wizzyrea nothing to do with sip
20:44 wizzyrea everything to do with pcres
20:44 edveal Right... I get!
20:45 jcamins Does anyone have experience with VTLS?
20:46 jcamins Not migrating from VTLS, but actually using the system.
20:46 cait edveal: i think there as abug about fines and sip
20:48 mveron Good night, #koha
20:48 edveal Oh fun...
20:48 edveal cait any idea of the bug number?
20:48 cait bug 7560
20:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7560 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , SIP Self Checkout Ignoring Fines Thresholds for Not Being able to Check Out Books
20:49 wizzyrea edveal:
20:49 wizzyrea yea, but this is pc reservation
20:49 wizzyrea different thing :)
20:50 cait ok
20:50 edveal wizzyrea and cait: Yes it is a PCRes issue but I need to know about the fine bug as well.
20:50 wizzyrea no use is handled by envisionware in this application
20:51 wizzyrea i get ya ;)
20:51 edveal wizzyrea I don't get your last statement?
20:52 wizzyrea i mean, I follow that you'd need to know about fines bugs *and* the pcres stuff.
20:52 rangi[…]-ramble-on-virgin
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21:09 cait night all!
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21:11 schuster by all whew what a day thanks for your help wizzyrea
21:14 wizzyrea yw :)
21:36 talljoy does the session time out affect the self checkout module?
21:41 rangi rule 1?
21:41 wahanui rumour has it rule 1 is "Don't Be A Dick!"
21:42 rangi (need that for a quote)
21:42 talljoy oh.  almost had my feelings hurt
21:42 rangi lol
21:42 rangi that would be ironic
21:42 rangi as im writing an email on how to avoid that
21:42 rangi (hurting feelings in general)
21:43 talljoy yes.  i've had enough beatings for the day.
21:43 talljoy :-/
21:43 talljoy i'm going to rephrase my question to see if i asked it wrong.....  Does the timeout feature (SYS PREF) work in koha?
21:46 jcamins talljoy: I believe the label is wrong.
21:46 jcamins There was just a bug reported about that.
21:46 talljoy i'm reading bug 6701 and getting confused
21:46 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , language on timeout system preference is wrong
21:47 jcamins That's the one I was thinking of.
21:47 talljoy so the timeout is seconds not milliseconds.
21:47 talljoy and I'm not impatient.  lulz
21:49 rangi yes its seconds
21:49 rangi 1d works too
21:50 rangi 1000d
21:50 rangi :)
21:50 rangi don't do that :)
21:50 wizzyrea FOREVER
21:50 talljoy heh
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22:30 eythian hi
22:30 eythian wahanui: aren't you supposed to reply to that?
22:30 wahanui eythian: no idea
22:30 eythian heh
22:30 jcamins Hi.
22:31 jcamins Hey
22:31 jcamins Hey.
22:31 jcamins Hi eythian
22:31 eythian I think it might be:
22:31 eythian hello
22:31 eythian or not
22:31 * eythian gives up
22:31 eythian hello jcamins
22:31 jcamins Hello. :)
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22:43 rangi ohh this is cool
22:43 rangi[…]12/finalistes2012
22:44 rangi (do a search for koha)
22:55 * talljoy knew she shoulda studied french
22:56 rangi does a good job
22:56 talljoy :-)
22:59 talljoy much better
23:14 eythian oh yeah, I've got to learn french before I go there too.
23:14 eythian should get on to that.
23:41 eythian
23:42 rangi too legit to quit
23:42 rangi that does look nice
23:43 eythian it does
23:44 cjh wow that looks really good
23:45 cjh the 'stashes and restores unstaged changes' on branch switching is reason enough for me.
23:45 rangi :)
23:47 cjh although "All remote operations are carried out by the first remote found." could cause problems
23:48 rangi yeah you would have to be careful
23:48 eythian hmm, that would be an issue for me too
23:48 cjh I wonder how it 'finds' remotes
23:49 eythian `git remote` probably
23:49 cjh that should only apply for new branches though, every branch that is local and already remote has a remote assosiated with it, doesnt it?
23:49 eythian hmm, that would seem reasonable, yeah.
23:50 eythian actually, given I don't have the rights to push to the kc remote, it probably wouldn't be too dangerous.
23:50 cjh heh
23:50 rangi yeah would be for me :)
23:51 cjh sync is both ways though, so it may pull down changes from another remote with a branch of the same name and start merging them.
23:51 rangi git.exc.GitCommandError: 'git push origin master' returned exit status 128: fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
23:51 rangi thats what happens :)
23:52 cjh heh

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