IRC log for #koha, 2012-03-24

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00:05 * libsysguy is about to kill yui
00:06 jcamins_away libsysguy: what are you trying to do?
00:06 libsysguy make the opac-results float correctly
00:07 libsysguy but the facetcontainer and the results both have a wrapper class of yui-b
00:07 libsysguy so it is impossible to select them without js
00:07 libsysguy *uniquely*
00:08 libsysguy but im already shifting the dom around with js a ton…I might as well alter it some more
00:08 libsysguy[…]
00:08 libsysguy im trying to make it fit in here
00:09 libsysguy wasn't there talk at some point of killing the yui model
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00:24 libsysguy any protips jcamins_away
00:28 jcamins_away Sorry, I was in the other room.
00:28 jcamins_away There is.
00:28 jcamins_away oleonard is working on it, but it's going to take a while.
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00:29 jcamins_away That looks just about right.
00:29 Brooke o/
00:32 libsysguy almost…till you start putting elements like they would be in a normal page
00:32 libsysguy then the yui resets take precedence which shouldn't happen
00:33 jcamins_away Hehe.
00:33 Brooke anyone else annoyed by
00:33 Brooke[…]8Walking+Paper%29
00:34 jcamins_away libsysguy: I had problems with that too.
00:34 jcamins libsysguy: bad news. My solution was to rewrite opac.css.
00:34 libsysguy jcamins I am about tempted to burn prog and start my own theme
00:35 Brooke ooooh
00:35 Brooke a new opac.css would be sexy, methinks
00:35 libsysguy it would be…free of yui
00:35 libsysguy sweet freeedom
00:35 jcamins That'd be very nice.
00:35 jcamins oleonard started on that.
00:35 Brooke oleonard ftw :D
00:36 Brooke oleonard++
00:36 Brooke jcamins++
00:36 Brooke libsysguy++
00:36 libsysguy aww thanks brooke
00:36 libsysguy :)
00:36 Brooke I likes me some burnin' and rebuildin'
00:36 * Brooke really, really needs to get round to both the gender thing and the achievement system thing.
00:36 gmcharlt Brooke: I'm not sure I necessarily disagree with that post -- although a lot of OPACs are _not_ things that I'd want to buidl the rest of a library's website around for
00:36 libsysguy you should check out what im working on then :p
00:37 Brooke gmcharlt the part that stuck in my craw was Is there a way out? I wish I was hopeful enough to encourage libraries to collectivize and demand better interfaces and flexible ILSs. Sadly, that seems unrealistic. Libraries that recognize the importance of interfaces and have the technical expertise will ­employ catalog overlays such as SOPAC 2.0 and Vufind.
00:37 gmcharlt of course, for libraries that have lots of databases and no central seach .. even more difficult
00:37 Brooke smacked of battered Librarian syndrome to me
00:37 Brooke right
00:37 gmcharlt true
00:38 Brooke but I think databases are just not worth thinking about most times
00:38 Brooke I think Patrons want US to use them on their behalf
00:38 Brooke and the ones that don't
00:38 Brooke already know where they are and how to get to em
00:38 Brooke not that a nice central search on databases wouldn't be posh
00:38 libsysguy Brooke we have just employed ebsco's EDS search
00:38 libsysguy interesting concept
00:38 Brooke I just don't think it matters nearly as much as
00:38 Brooke em
00:39 Brooke having the freaking opening hours and directions to the Library like EVERYWHERE
00:39 libsysguy
00:39 libsysguy try the search
00:39 libsysguy tell me what you think
00:39 Brooke but like the whole "we established dysfunctional relationships with ILS vendors that gave us very little leverage and almost no recourse to demand better visual and interaction design. These decisions have had a lasting negative impact on our ability to serve patrons."
00:39 Brooke it's like really
00:39 Brooke do you live like that
00:39 Brooke if you have a shite relationship
00:40 Brooke are you like "Ah well, no changin' it mate. I'll just stay here miserable for the rest of mah life."
00:40 * Brooke pokes at the UT junk
00:40 gmcharlt Brooke: you would deny folks who want to be miserable their happiness?
00:40 gmcharlt ;)
00:41 Brooke if you're a masochist, dear, fair play to ye
00:41 Brooke but don't expect the rest of the field to be populated by masochists, yes?
00:42 Brooke a search for "animal husbandry" (no quotes in the actual search) is interesting.
00:43 Brooke and wtf
00:43 Brooke there is no diff
00:43 Brooke when I do use quotes
00:43 Brooke bad ebsco
00:43 * Brooke spanks EBSCO.
00:43 libsysguy hehe
00:43 libsysguy you have to use (animal husbandry)
00:43 libsysguy i think
00:43 * libsysguy is not a pro on searching
00:43 gmcharlt just like google
00:43 libsysguy i leave that to the librarians
00:43 gmcharlt ... oh, wait
00:43 * jcamins agrees with libsysguy.
00:44 jcamins gmcharlt: well, at least it's like Lexis.
00:44 Brooke libsysguy - still not an ounce of difference in ranking
00:44 Brooke and well
00:44 libsysguy hmm
00:44 Brooke the ranking could be set on fire as a pie after a few months of dry time
00:45 * Brooke hands gmcharlt some chocolate in order to escape his rapier wit.
00:45 gmcharlt Brooke: thanks!
00:45 libsysguy for some reason I think you can change the algorithm for relevancy ranking making, for example, physical items rank higher than electronic ones
00:45 Brooke may I never have to fence you, sir.
00:45 Brooke prolly
00:46 Brooke but it would be better to have gee, words that I put next to one another in a search, weigh more than random words that are similar XD
00:46 gmcharlt indeed
00:46 gmcharlt libsysguy: do you happen to know if there's a standard search engine behind EBS?
00:47 Brooke slow as molasses in winter from here, too.
00:47 libsysguy its something they wrote
00:47 libsysguy i asked them how many programmers they had on it
00:47 libsysguy they said close to 900
00:47 libsysguy i was like 0_0
00:47 libsysguy surely not
00:47 libsysguy but that was the sales rep…so who knows
00:48 gmcharlt 900 programmers?  for their sakes I hope not
00:48 libsysguy lol if you think librarians are like herding cats…wait till you manage programmes
00:48 Brooke "gaming and cognition" is better.
00:49 Brooke but I kind of expect psych to be smoother than vet.
00:49 Brooke gmcharlt, it would make sense if they had 900 programmers of my calibre. :D
00:51 Brooke libsysguy how much do you want me to kick this catalogue?
00:51 libsysguy haha the EDS or the catalog?
00:52 libsysguy i just upgraded koha to master today and just now started re-theming it
00:52 libsysguy so be gentle
00:52 libsysguy the EDS i could give two you-know-whats about
00:52 libsysguy :p
00:52 Brooke I just fed it a misspelling, and we are not amused
00:52 Brooke I should get a prompt for "Did you mean?"
00:52 Brooke and did not
00:53 Brooke "Santa Ana" will search just on that.
00:53 jcamins Brooke: what are you expecting? This is an Ebsco product.
00:53 * Brooke winks slyly at jcamins
00:54 libsysguy brb dinner is read
00:54 libsysguy ready**
00:54 jcamins It's Friday... I wonder if that means libsysguy is having pizza.
00:55 * Brooke is still full from Sushi.
00:57 Brooke gotta say, dunno what folks did to the Koha search, but meh.
00:57 jcamins Brooke: BTW, you'll be glad to know that my most recent batch of fudge came out delicious.
00:57 Brooke it's just not as forgiving out of the box as it used to be
00:57 Brooke and when it is forgiving, it's slow as molasses.
00:57 jcamins Brooke: it's just the same as it always has been.
00:57 Brooke no it's not.
00:57 Brooke there are weird preferences and junk
00:57 Brooke that you have to flip someplace
00:57 Brooke to make things work intuitively
00:58 Brooke those should be on by default.
00:58 Brooke nice work jcamins
00:58 Brooke non crap irish cream, or just no irish cream at all?
00:58 jcamins Bitter orange.
00:58 Brooke cool
01:00 Brooke now here's what I mean.
01:00 Brooke or at least one example
01:00 Brooke and it might be apples to oranges
01:00 jcamins Apple fudge?
01:00 Brooke but it demonstrates my babbling
01:00 jcamins That'd be kinda weird.
01:00 Brooke deliberate misspelling
01:01 Brooke "Dali Lama" no actual quotes in the search
01:01 Brooke just from the box.
01:01 Brooke http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]=Dali+lama&limit=
01:01 Brooke[…]
01:01 Brooke one of these things, is not like the other
01:01 Brooke and I realise that some cataloguer at NEKLS ought be beaten
01:01 Brooke and it explains the first hit
01:01 Brooke BUT
01:01 Brooke nuffin at HLT
01:01 Brooke no no
01:01 Brooke bad Koha.
01:02 Brooke[…]
01:03 Brooke http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]
01:03 Brooke[…]
01:04 Brooke[…]pl?q=Stephen+King
01:04 jcamins Brooke: looks like HLT needs to adjust their search sysprefs.
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05:54 cait hi #kohq
05:54 cait #koha even
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08:28 cait time to leave marseille
08:28 cait bye all
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08:39 mbalmer what will happen when I run the Koha installer on an already installed system? (I want to switch from the packages version to the git master revision, without loosing my data, of course..)
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09:33 * cait-m_ waves from the train
09:43 sophie_m have a nice trip home cait-m_
09:43 cait-m_ merci sophie
09:43 sophie_m :-)
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09:56 * oleonard wondered if cait would have internet on the train :)
09:56 * oleonard is back from his quest to buy chocolate for the folks back home
09:58 oleonard Oh, just missed her
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09:59 oleonard So you have internet, cait-m, but maybe not very stable internet?
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11:39 jcamins_away Hi cait.
11:40 cait-m_ hi :-)
11:40 jcamins_away No wireless on the train yet?
11:41 cait-m nk
11:41 cait-m no
11:41 cait-m and laptop battery almost empty
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13:17 jcamins_away This would be a good reason to use bip, cait_m_. :P
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13:38 jcamins_away Good morning, sekjal.
13:38 sekjal morning, jcamins
13:41 jcamins_away Anything fun in the QAQ/
13:41 jcamins_away *?
13:41 sekjal not looking at that just yet.  Got a new VM to set up
13:41 jcamins_away Ooh, fun. What's going on it?
13:41 jcamins_away :)
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13:41 sekjal but, that has uncovered a few hitches in a new master install
13:42 sekjal koha
13:42 jcamins ... okay, that's not so good.
13:42 jcamins (that there are issues in a new install)
13:42 cait-m__ uhoh
13:42 sekjal I think this is the 6th time I've installed Koha in the last 2 months
13:42 cait-m__ hi agaon
13:42 sekjal hi, cait-m
13:42 sekjal nothing major; just some packages are not accounted for in install_misc/debian.packages
13:42 jcamins cait-m__: you really should think about setting up bip when you get back to Konstanz. :)
13:42 sekjal writing the patch now
13:42 cait-m__ on train still
13:42 sekjal but I had to get git-bz first
13:43 cait-m__ hmm if someone would help me...
13:43 cait-m__ i think i am ready to give in
13:43 * jcamins doesn't know anything about bip, but it seems like it would be useful.
13:43 cait-m__ heh
14:00 sekjal easy patch for to sign off on… bug 7820
14:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7820 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Missing packages from install_misc/debian.packages
14:04 mbalmer sekjal, you can commit that with signed-off Marc Balmer <> (or signoff yourself, since it is really trivial)
14:05 sekjal mbalmer: thanks, I'll add your sign off and elevate the status on bugzilla
14:05 mbalmer yes.
14:06 mbalmer this morning I ran exactly into these modules missing...
14:09 sekjal mbalmer:  all set
14:09 sekjal thanks!
14:09 mbalmer yw
14:10 sekjal okay, I'm going to get some yard work done while the sun is out.  will likely be on more this weekend to clear out the QAQ.  lots of good, easy-to-test stuff in there
14:10 sekjal cheers, #koha!
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14:31 druthb o/
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16:27 jcamins_away Good evening, oleonard.
16:27 oleonard Hi jcamins_away
16:28 * oleonard is trying not to fall asleep before dinner
16:28 oleonard Nice long day walking around
16:29 jcamins_away When do you leave?
16:29 oleonard Gotta leave the hotel by 4AM
16:30 oleonard I'm glad I mentioned this to paul because he warned me the metro isn't open yet then
16:30 jcamins_away Heh. Yes, very good you mentioned it.
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17:21 mbalmer sigh, why is so hard not to use MySQLisms?
17:21 mbalmer my guess:  copy-paste syndrome
17:23 oleonard Uh, because everyone was using MySQL I suspect
17:23 mbalmer it is inacceptable for new code...
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17:37 druthb o/
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17:46 * oleonard waves to cait-m__ on his way out to find some dinner
17:46 cait-m__ wave
17:46 oleonard Good trip so far?
17:46 * druthb waves to cait-m__
17:46 cait-m__ font
17:46 cait-m__ grr
17:46 cait-m__ don't forget the hugs
17:47 oleonard Nope!
17:47 cait-m__ stupid autocorrect
17:47 cait-m__ last train now
17:47 cait-m__ almost home
17:47 * druthb misses her beste freundin!
17:48 cait-m__ and first train where i can charge the phone
17:48 * oleonard heads out
17:48 cait-m__ druthb i am here :-)
17:49 druthb I'm used to seeing you earlier in the day.  :)
17:51 mbalmer what is Dobrica's nickname here?
17:51 cait-m__ soon
17:51 jcamins_away dpavlin.
17:51 wahanui Taking over the world is trivial for this one...
17:52 mbalmer jc, thanks.
17:52 cait-m__ will be back at normal times on wednesday
17:52 mbalmer dpavlin++
17:53 jcamins_away Hopefully Stephane won't mind. Some people don't like their patches changed.
18:13 rangi Yes a follow up would have been much nicer
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18:17 chanokin Hello, I'm having trouble importing biblio records with accented characters encoded with utf-8. Could anyone lend a hand?
18:21 cait-m__ i agree
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20:04 mbalmer jacmins, stephane will not oppose to backquotes being removed.
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21:33 dpavlin mbalmer: I sure hope you are right about stephane :-) Anyway, it's a step in right direction.
21:34 mbalmer I worked with stephane for three days, I would be astonished if he sees things differently.
21:34 cait mbalmer: I think it's ok, but a follow up is the better way to do it
21:34 cait for the next time
21:34 mbalmer follow up?
21:35 mbalmer what does that mean?
21:35 cait a follow up patch instead of a change to the original
21:35 mbalmer ah, I see.
21:36 mbalmer well, I think it is clear now that MySQLism are no longer accepted.  If in doubt, I can always help.
21:39 mbalmer we need to put out some guidelines for those doing DB work.  I am almost 100% certain the MySQLisms happened because of lack of better knowing.  Most people are not aware that what they do is not portable.
21:39 jcamins_away I'm sure that's true.
21:40 jcamins_away If you put together a list of common problems, and how to fix them, I'm sure Ian would appreciate it.
21:40 mbalmer I started that on the wiki, …wiki/PostgreSQL, but it is not complete.
21:48 dpavlin cait: you might like bug 7821 -- it seems that implementation is smaller than discussion around it ;-)
21:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7821 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , XSLT systempreference multi-language support
21:48 cait :)
21:48 cait I have it on my list
21:48 cait but bit tired tonight - will try to sign-of tomorrow :)
21:49 cait dpavlin: how was the food tonight?
21:49 dpavlin yeah, sure. I Just wanted to show off :-)
21:49 cait I will not ask about the goodbyes
21:49 cait heh
21:49 cait dpavlin++
21:49 dpavlin Food was great. I think that Owen has some nice pictures...
21:49 cait oooh
21:49 cait *sigh*
21:49 dpavlin (of food, not us ;-)
21:49 cait trip was long
21:50 cait finally came home around 3 hours ago
21:50 cait I forgot to take a picture of you and marijana - actually hoped owen did better
21:50 * dpavlin would really have to go to sleep to get some rest before trip...
21:51 cait then go, shoo!
21:51 dpavlin mbalmer: thanks for pushing me to fix mysqlisams... even better, I should contribute some patches to clean up rest of the code... sometime...
21:51 mbalmer take bug 7365 as a start and add to it.
21:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, In Discussion , Koha uses MySQL
21:52 mbalmer I think it is worth the effort.
21:53 dpavlin mee too :-)
21:54 cait dpavlin: have a safe trip :)
21:55 cait I will go and unpack/tidy up a bit more...
21:56 * dpavlin waves and goes to sleep...
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